Don’t get so too close to the Shelton Joe Philbin!!! Purportedly, the Dolphins have shown real interest in Washington Defensive Tackle Danny Shelton. So much so Senior Bowl security had to ask Coach Philbin to step back. Well, truth is the Dolphins are not the only team intrigued with Shelton.
Why the fascination with the 340 pound behemoth that can move mountains with a powerful bull rush? Well because he is a 340 pound behemoth who can move mountains with a powerful bull rush! (sigh) You Earthlings are so slow…
Given his siz,e its no surprise that people are comparing Shelton to Vince Wilfork and Haloti Ngata. Get excited – this is the guy that can be the centerpiece for some one’s defense for a decade. An elite run stuffer! A guy who you just can’t move. Do you hear that? That is the sound of Danny Shelton eating an offensive line…..offensive line so tasty.
But is he more than just an immovable force? In his Senior Year at Washington Shelton had 9 sacks. Word has it – his moves are pretty much limited to a bull rush. He just overpowers the interior offensive line. Get out of my way!!! I’m Danny Shelton and I am going to crush Tom Brady’s spine! Um…I just imagine that is what he would say…dare to dream…
Shelton shows impressive quickness and agility for a guy his size. In fact Shelton is a member of the Huskies track team. No, don’t worry, he is not a pole vaulter. He competes in the discuss throw and shot put, another tribute to his incredible strength.
There are no guarantees that Shelton is a great pass rusher at the NFL level. But run stuffer? Most scouts seem to think if you draft Shelton, you can get a decade of run stuffing from this reliable space eater. If I was going to compare Danny Shelton to an Alien Weapon of Destruction I would compare him to a The Great Black Hole of Xvorkkia Nebulas 4. Go ahead try to go into the black hole – no one will ever see you again!
Beast Mode meet Feast Mode. Buffets everywhere beware!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
I’m first for first time
That people are comparing Shelton to Vince Wilfork and Haloti Ngata. If he is as good of either I’d be willing to give up our entire draft. The draft isn’t a exact science and many 1st rounders never pan out.
Didn’t realize this and don’t remember reading it here so excuse me if this was already posted but just found out the officials blew the call in the Colts/Pats game where Solder caught the pass for the td and there should have actually have been a penalty on that play on New England.
Solder had reported as an eligible receiver on the previous play but did not re-report as eligible for that play, which you have to do for EVERY play according to the rules.
So, the play was an illegal play and should have been called back as such.
Seems the refs blow a lot of plays when the Pats play.
I read it (elsewhere) too
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/30/head-officiating-nate-solder-should-not-have-counted/K6QymTsPtcR8t1fOa3U80I/story.html
But you know how the dialogue on this one
“They blew out the Colts”
“So it didn’t affect the outcome”
Its funny how many little things the Patriots get caught doing that don;t affect the outcome and everyone else allegedly does
The Patriots are a disgrace to the NFL
If he fell and we took him I’d be ok with it but then again if he fell to 14 you’d have to ask WHY
Star Lotuloulei fell pretty far and he has been a good pro
hardly worth a #14. if that’s all you get from Shelton I’d pass. but, I don’t think Shelton could play in the Miami heat.
I don’t think Shelton could play 8 games in Miami.
Maybe Wallace’s problem is he came to Miami chasing the money and realized it’s not all about the money and is more concerned with being on a playoff team and Super Bowl contender. Naw. That’s not it.
Chased money and is set in his ways…..doesn’t have that reality check in the same room like he had with Hines Ward. Ward was that reality check for Santonio Holmes also.
I like Shelton, but I’d take Jordan Phillips over him 10 times out of 10.
Good write though Pig!
If the Miami Dolphins sign either Adrian Peterson or Suh do they become:
(a) Playoff Team?
(b)Super Bowl Contender?
I’m not watching the Super Bowl but I am going to record it and if the Seahawks win it I’m going to watch the fourth qtr. Unless it’s a blow out then I’ll watch the whole thing so I can see Tommy Boy crying on the sidelines.
You would think that a team that has as little cap space as this one would have more talent on it and would have been a perennial playoff contender but how in the fuck do you have the little bit of money to spend on players and be this bad?
Who’s the idiot that gave this kind of money to players that we’re getting nothing out of?
Seriously, when you look at the cap situation with this team the Fins really aren’t getting the best ROI for the money they’re spending. I wouldn’t want them handling my finances.
ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT Senor Swine!! —IF Phillips is 10 times better than Shelton all I have to say is “I’ll believe it when he SHOWS ME!”–Until then, Shelton fills Miami’s greatest need on the field and should be taken if available at R1P14.
BTW, Miami’s two greatest needs are #1) a new owner and #2) a new head coach. TALKING about the draft is a nice thing to do. But until this franchise plugs its two greatest needs, any talk about getting to the Super Bowl is just that – – – TALK!!!
September 12, 2015 is already marked on my calendar. MISS GIGI’s Miami Hurricanes visit Schnellenberger Field in Boca Raton to play my beloved FAU Owls the second week of the 2015 college football season. –Now I know GIGI is NO FAN of Al Golden, UM’s less-than-successful head coach. My OWLS can do Miss Gigi a HUGE favor by upsetting the ‘Canes, thus speeding up Golden’s departure from Coral Gables!!! –BET YOUR ASS I will be there to see if the 3-touchdown underdog Owls can spring the biggest upset since their win over #20 Hawaii several years ago out in Honolulu. Given FAU’s losses through graduation of ace DB’s D’Joun Smith (projected 3rd round pick in the draft) and Damian Parms, an upset seems like a pipedream.–But one never knows when a Golden-coached team will lay an egg, so who really knows??
72 degrees and sunny is the forecast for Tampa Bay today!! –Magnificent!! –Talk to you folks after work tonight!
I wouldn’t say Phillips is 10 times greater than Shelton but I also agree with Dbolt on the Phillips pick. I would rather see us trade down into the 20’s and get a couple more picks because of the depth of this draft.
I wouldn’t give so much of a shit if Jeffro was still running the show because he’d pick Dupree in the first but with Hickey making the decisions I think he could do something similar to what the Seahawks have done and get some quality players who can help the team even into the 5th rd. He got Fede in the 7th and McCain and Anthony Johnson as well plus Damien Williams.
however, no matter who he takes in the first I’ll be on board with it because there is no doubt in my mind he’s a superior talent evaluator compared to Jeffro.
I think Hickey can probably trade down in the first far enough to get another 2nd and a couple later picks and then can trade down again in the 2nd to get a couple more picks.
There’s too much talent to just go with what we’re given in the 7 rounds of this draft.
We’re not going to get all starters with more picks but we’ve got to elevate the level of talent on this team from top to bottom. Otherwise, it won’t matter who the coach is. Nobody will win more games with the players this team has right now.
Not 10x’s greater, but I’d take him over Shelton 10 out of 10 times👍
Sunny, warm climates are overrated. LOL
Understood
Larry Csonka is tied for the most rushing td’s in the Super Bowl: 2. Says a lot about how much the league is about passing.
I’m with OD on one thing. I have adopted the “when I see it” approach. I thought this team had made some significant improvements last season and was looking for a better result and it doesn’t matter to me what they do in FA or the draft this year, how players look in camp, how they look in preseason and how they look in the first half of the season. When they make it thru the entire season and look convincing then I’ll say they look good. Until then, they haven’t proved a thing.
Getting through the season is the key factor, maybe we need to soften our balls
Lou,
Looking at ROID in regards to the cap we are getting great returns on our starting QB&HB. Our draft class this past season along with those UDFA’s. Albert was on pace to be our best FA signing in years. That said our WR core outside Landry, LB core, and secondary has had poor returns thus far along with the DT spot.
ROI. My phone must have the Seahawks on its mind….LOL
Nice job Piggy – I’ll take Shelton. He’ll go fro 343 to 323 in the heat of FLA. We need a big guy in the middle, and he’s a good, strong player. No one on our roster right now can do what he does, so, yeah, we need him, or someone like him.
You guys crack me up. Like Mike Wallace is the first player to take the money from the team that was offering the best contract. You also completely ignore the fact that he balled last year, except the last game.
And Albert likes him
Hey, hey, hey. Ooops. Wrong Albert.
Whoever said he’s the first player to take money from the team? I don’t think he completely balled out. I will give him his due for playing tougher, but that’s about it. You should know by now I prefer to build our skill positions through the draft and allow them to grow in the system. Also I never liked Wallace & I hated BM when was brought in LOL. Team finds a way to bring in the WRs I despise the most. Maybe now that Ireland isn’t calling the shots we do this the right way. He picked up a great building block last year in Landry👍
My problem with Wallace isn’t that he chased the money it’s that I think he’s more worried about his numbers looking good just like Marshall was. If it was about being competitive and saying that he’s pissed because Tannehill’s a douche because Wallace is wide open and Tannehill isn’t seeing him and Wallace could have had 15 td’s instead of 10 I’d be pissed too but I don’t think that’s the case.
Exactly. Look at the last game of the season, Ryan takes like 3 consecutive illegal shots to the head, not called of course, immediately after the snap, still manages to throw a TD to Clay and Wallace had the nerve to complain. This is the same drive he stood and watched the Jets entire defense Butt Fuck Damian Williams out of bounds then walk away while Landry runs halfway across the field to defend him.
40 years from now a die-hard pats fan will write about the glory days of his team and his fellow bloggers will enjoy the entire series titled – “Absolute Farce”.
I thought it would be called “*”
good one
They could be in a Wendy’s commercial. What did we do to earn our Wendy’s burger? We did nothing.
DBolt
I beleive wedge may be in his way to scouting Phillips too
As long as he doesn’t “scout” the way Colon-pokey does.
Colonpokey can tell you what a prospect just are
That will be a sweet scout. Get him in a trade down.
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Just ate not are
D-Bolt
Believe me, I want to build through the draft too, and I hated that Ireland was a FA warrior. Too much of the talent he acquired was from FA. However, Wallace is here, he played well, and we will get cap crushed if we cut him. It just doesn’t pay, unless the coaches have just had enough and feel like they can’t work things out.
We won’t get cap crushed, but just not getting a return on the money. Like I said yesterday that C-Bag Miko was saying back in November that Wallace didn’t want to come back. Then Barry Jackson had the report earlier this week saying Wallace told teammates that he doesn’t want to be back. He doesn’t want to be here, fuck him. Teammates saw him actively turn his back on them on the field of play against one of their bitter rivals. If the team brings him back they bring him back, but as of now I just don’t see a reconciliation in the future, but that’s just my opinion.
They don’t have the balls to cut him loose because if the team goes 8-8 or worse this year they’re all out and we’re starting from scratch again. If anything, I would hope they find a way to get something for him from another team and draft another wide receiver. I’d be happy if we were to pick up two of the better receivers in the draft.
In an ideal situation we could swap him for Andre Johnson.
FME went to Home Depot and got some paint, looks good but I don’t know about the avi on the right that would take time to get used to.
Not bad.
D-Bolt
We’ll lose $7M in cap space. Wallace is due over $9.5M, and if we cut him, we only save $2.5M. That’s a bad deal right there.
Nobody wants to eat the cap space, but if it’s broken then it’s broke. Don’t make a bad situation even worse.
Yeah, but you’re just speculating, and injecting your personal feelings about the guy. We don’t know it’s broken at all. He’s still on the team as of now.
It’s broken because we made bad deals re-signing guys to nice contracts who haven’t contributed much to the success of the team.
Well, Mike. We’re stuck because we can’t count on Hartline to deliver and we need Wallace’s numbers whether he’s a head case or not. But, I think if Hickey thinks he can bring in someone thru FA and TRADE Wallace he would take that route in a heartbeat. Demaryius Thomas, Torrey Smith and Randall Cobb are out there. 2 out of the 3 should be Dolphins players anyway but Jeffy fucked it up.
D-Bolt
Pointing out something that happened in the last game is pointless. Obviously his head wasn’t right that game, but that’s really all you got. He played hard, and you have to admit, he changed his gme completely to suit what they asked of him. He wasn’t used in a way that his talent is best used.
I also pointed out what was being said in November. Remember he threatened to pull himself from the Pats game 2wks prior to that if he didn’t get more targets. Yes he changed his game to do what Lazor needed him to do. Running deep is what he does best, but if you can’t get the protection then you need to adjust. Also when he came to Miami he said he wanted to regarded as an all around WR, well he got his wish this year. Like I said if he’s telling people he doesn’t want to be in Miami, then so be it.
Mike E. says:
January 30, 2015 at 9:26 am
Yeah, but you’re just speculating, and injecting your personal feelings about the guy. We don’t know it’s broken at all. He’s still on the team as of now.
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Mike,
I hate the guy, but I’m telling you what’s been reported that he’s told multiple people he wants out.
Lou – I’d be happy if we could trade Wallace and get some value for him. We’re not using him to his best abilities anyway, so that’s fine. I just don’t want to take the cap hit for nothing.
I know I’ll take a beating for this but while protection is part of the problem if your qb can’t get the ball to your best deep receiver accurately then, yes, you aren’t using him to the best of his abilities but you also CAN’T use him to the best of his abilities because your qb isn’t there yet. Tannehill had a good year but we’re coming up on year four and he needs to make the jump. Otherwise, no matter what we do it won’t be enough.
No beating coming. The solace I do find is during the 2nd Pats game, outside the first 50yd completion, Tannehill was spot on with the deep throws. Perfect touch and arc dropping it in a bucket.
he only completed 4 passes over 40 yds. Don’t know if it’s from less attempts or what
I heard Joe Rose say they can trade him with us eating SOME of the salary cap and the trade partner also paying some of the salary cap this way we save a little as compared to a lot. He mentioned we could also salvage a draft pick possibly.
There’s really not much of anything that Ireland has done with this team in terms of talent that’s worked out that great. We have some steady players, solid guys but nothing that jumps out at you as being a game changer except for maybe the way Wake has played since he came here from Canada.
However, who else could you look at and say that Ireland killed it with that guy. Maybe Miller becomes that guy.
Jetssuck
I think if we get a good trade offer we take it
For the reason you just mentioned
But I think a flat out cut doesn’t make sense
Not this offseason anyway
jetssuck
As far as I know, the salary cap “sharing” can’t happen in the NFL. If we trade or cut Wallace, we take the full hit, there’s no provisions like they have in MLB where the other team can absorb some of the cap hit.
Really it ends up cap wise like we cut him, we’d get the trade compensation and move his contract but we’d have to eat the dead money.
Exactly.
If we do move Wallace then a WR at 14 and a speedy receiver later is what I would want. It’s very likely Gibson and/or Matthews are gone too. Hartline probably gets asked to rework his deal for the cap.
Sounds like Hickey has been very hesitant to move Matthews.
Matthews hasn’t done anything so significant that he can’t be replaced. If he was showing more development over his three years with the team it would be different but even if we took White in the first and waited until later to take someone like Mayle or took a receiver 2nd and 5th I gotta believe our future at wr improves greatly.
I hope we keep him
I don’t think it’s going to happen. IMO Hickey is going to find another wr who can give us better depth who can replace him.
The problem with Matthews is apparently maturity. As Lou said we need to hit WR 2x’s preferably in the first 4 rounds. Work ethic and onfield IQ will probably the deciding factors…..which always leads me back to Justin Hardy as 1 of our targets. I’m still under the belief that we could possibly target3 WRs if the value is there. It’s a shame Montgomery is inconsistent w/ his hands as he moves well like Randall Cobb.
D,
I’d love if we were able to land Hardy. He would be a huge RZ threat and he fights for the ball.
Def. Lou. I don’t know where some the claims are coming from that he can’t beat press or that he’s only a slot. I watched him destroy press for 2 straight years. Literally have seen a guy try to tackle him while running a route and he still shakes free for the reception. Love this guys drive, 100% self made like Landry. The type of guy that you want to go to battle with.
says:
January 30, 2015 at 9:49 am
he only completed 4 passes over 40 yds. Don’t know if it’s from less attempts or what
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DEF less attempts. You look at the last 3 games and he had 1 in each of those games. Wallace vs Pats, Clay vs Vikes, & Hartline vs the Jets I believe.
The other 40+ was the 54yd dime he threw Running for his life vs Jax.
have to wonder how close he is to his ceiling. is he really going to improve much more than where he’s at right now.
I think we saw continued growth, w/ good coaching from Lazor, in the footwork and throwing mechanics this year. I think there’s still plenty of room for growth especially within this offense. I think major strides can be had with improved interior line play when we can play from u we center and have a true PA threat.
In the several years I’ve been around these blogs, I’ve never touted one player or another, and if we do the prudent thing and build our lines or draft for value over need, ok, but I’m really hoping if we go weapon first, we spend it on Parker.
I wonder if Hickey would consider Parker or White considering we don’t employ the #1, #2 philosophy. If that’s the case, Hardy would be the better fit. C-USA or not you can’t ignore what he’s done in college; just like Lockett.
Hardy, Lockette, & Dorsett all have that team 1st mentality and high football IQ’s. I think Perriman falls in this group also. These are the types of players that you can blend with Landry, Simms and Clay to form a really deadly unit to attack defenses with.
I’ve pounded the table in the past for guys I wanted to see this team get only to see those players go elsewhere: Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb, LeVeon Bell, etc. I don’t have a first round favorite other than one of the three DTs I’ve been talking about and there are several receivers who we can pick from I would love to see here. The closest I’ll come to pounding the table this year is when it comes to Tomlinson.
I don’t have Super Bowl parties but on Groundhog Day I host a party and we watch the movie with Bill Murray. It’s a tradition.
Sounds like fun………also sounds like the every Feb 2 you wake up and it is just like the last one. 🙂
Obviously that’s a joke
Nice scouting piece by the Pig………my lazy ass is starting to learn.
Did read somewhere that Shelton played DE for the Huskies, so dude must be able to do more than just bull rush.
Sorry — played “some” DE.
JS is right that if we trade Wallace we will get some cap relief. That’s because he has guaranteed money left, we’d get credit for that if paid by another team.
Don’t think, but am not sure, you do if you outright cut a guy. Think in that case the guy collects all his guaranteed, it goes against your cap, and then he has an absolutely clean slate capwise on the new contract with the new team.
Before he arrived our WRs were a mess, you don’t see in the stats what his speed does, so be careful what you wish for.
I ain’t wishing for it all. He spreads the D vertically even when they are not throwing his way. But if he does go really am hoping for it via trade rather an outright cut. Next year when he is threw his guarantees will be different.
But if he’s already went out of his way too punch his ticket out of here….then it’s done.
Shelton gets held on every play and is still a beast. If I’m Tommy I wouldn’t want to have to face him twice a yr, then Buffalo twice a yr, you know Rexie will have something special for him, maybe even of the career ending variety.
I really wonder if Shelton can be something special
I think he would be a really safe pick in terms of anchoring the line though
We always talk about how clueless our GM is, no matter who he is, when they don’t pick the guy we know is going to be great. It’s not so easy, if you’ve ever coached a youth sports team that drafts it’s own players you know what I’m talking about. You may love this kid, but think you can get him in a later round, then he gets taken before you pick again, and that’s with 8 teams, I can’t imagine how hard it is with 32.
steve — of course we bitch……cause we know better, least we do when we put our selective 20/20 hindsight glasses on.
Not sure if you read my article yesterday, but this statement srongly agrees with what I said.
Was sorry to read that the NFL did not record what the actual pressure of Brady’s balls were when they were checked before the game…….only that they were in the range. Whatever they do they can only assume that they were at the bare minimum.
Bet you the evil genius will pay some college physicist with a coke habit a bunch of money to ruin his reputation to say it was a natural phenomena.
Stanger
I’m almost 100% positive that when you trade a player in the NFL, you still eat the cap hit for the year you trade him, and no team can say they will absorb it for you, that’s against the NFL rules.
But when does that calendar year begin?
2015 only. After that, the other team gets the remaining cap hit.
But that is about the timing of the hit. For sure you get the accelerated pro-ration of the signing bonus the year you cut him (so you are absolutely right on that part), but Wallace also has substantial unpaid guaranteed money. And that is different than in the typical situation. Almost nobody with that ever gets cut…….for the very same reasons I am hoping Joe and Wallace come to a peace agreement for next season.
Cute write up Pigman.
my thoughts are I like Shelton, know he’s capable of being a stud stuffer 😉
But if he’s truly gonna be a top 10 pick, God help me if Hickey pulls a Jeffro and trades up to get him, ARGH!
If he’s @ #14, then heck yeah, consider taking him, or if he’s there @ #14, we might get a very good trade down heavily slanted our way, so there’s that to consider as well.
I would be islet about a trade up
But if he was 14 I think he would be a good pick
son of a son of a shula says:
January 30, 2015 at 9:48 am
Really it ends up cap wise like we cut him, we’d get the trade compensation and move his contract but we’d have to eat the dead money.
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Interesting thought Joe Rose had. Maybe I got it wrong but he did say sharing the high contract with another team. Maybe he was talking about trade partner working on a new contract for wallace with new team and draft choice compensation or player from trade partner.
jetssuck – We get the 2015 cap hit no matter what, even if he’s traded, but the team that gets him will get hit with the remainder of his cap hit for his contract, as well as pay his salary for both.
I wonder what happens if he restructures his contract. If he wants out of Miami he might bite.
My only concern about drafting Shelton is the potential embarrassment of having Goodell smother our first rounder at the podium with his abnormal big man affection
Dontari Poe probably still goes to therapy because it happened to him
jetssuck
Congratulations on your first first! Was it as as good as you expected it to be?
U no what they say U never forget your first.
LOL! It’s true!
Mid round LG I’ve been tracking that would be hard pressed to pass on. I just found this too today now. We’d have 2 guys on our OL that had brothers also playing OL in the NFL.
TFY Draft Insider’s Tony Pauline reports that scouts praised Alabama redshirt senior OG Arie Kouandjio after Senior Bowl practices and “many feel he’s solidified his status as a middle-round choice.”
“Kouandjio battled hard during [last] Thursday’s practice and won out on just about every snap he took,” Pauline wrote. “He blocked with great fundamentals, showed a lot of strength in his game and controlled opponents on the line of scrimmage. Scouts praised Kouandjio after practice as many feel he’s solidified his status as a middle-round choice.” CBS Sports’ Dane Brugler is extremely high on Cyrus’ brother, believing the 6-foot-5, 315-pound Arie to have top-75 potential. The Crimson Tide prospect started every game at LG for Alabama the past two seasons.
Getting a guy the quality of Star at #14 is well worth the pick, IMO. Carolina’s run D has been elite when he’s healthy. Wish we would have taken him instead of Jordan and kept our 2nd round pick, but…. I’m rarely a fan of trading up unless there is a chance at a can’t miss (does that even exist?) or an absolute need. BPA is a good strategy for the most part. Look at Landry. We all thought the pick was a bit of a head scratcher since WR wasn’t a huge need, but that pick is looking genius about now.
I think Shelton may be better than Star
But I did like star a lot
All I know is Philbin appears to really like Shelton
…and now WR is a huge need…We didn’t think so at the time, but Hickey could see down the road based on Wallace’s, Hartline, & Gibson’s contracts….Kudos Hickey!!!
“guaranteed money comes in the form of guaranteed base salary, it can be traded to another team, whereas prorated signing bonus guaranteed money and first-year roster bonus guaranteed money cannot be.”
That’s from over the cap. From what I can tell if we trade Wallace this year about $3 million of the cap hit we’d get would fall in that category. Yeah the pro-ration of the signing bonus would be twice that, but it is still someone of use to sign.
In case you want to read another writer on Shelton
So Omar listed all the FAs Miami has signed over the last 7 years and I’m curious if any of you guys see a pattern with them. Here’s the list:
2007 – Feely, Hakim, Martin, Worrell.
2008 – Charlie Anderson, Crocker, Nate Jones, Mccown, Smiley, Starks, Torbor, Wilford
2009 – Grove, Berger, Eric Green, Gibril Wilson
2010 – Sign and trade for Marshall, Dansby, Incongnito
2011 – Bush sign and trade, Burnett, Moore, JT, Trusnik
2012 – Richard Marshall, Chad Johnson, Guyton, Hicks, Tyrell Johnson, Westerman, Legeduuuuu
2013 – Wallace, Ellerbe, Grimes, Keller, Wheeler, Gibson, Louis, Vaughn Martin
2014 – Albert, Shelley Smith, Mitchell, Moreno, Finnegan, Colledge, Satele, Delmas, Fox
So who was/is a success? What do you define as success?
Starks, Incognito (Until bullygate), Wallace, and I don’t see Grimes on that list.
Oops, missed Grimes, but add him to the successful ones.
a couple two tree
Wasteful spend like a rouge government out of control, that’s what it reminds me of….LOL
Grime is in the list
OK drg, what’s your new avi?
Pig,
Utah didn’t play Washington this year so I didn’t get a chance to see Shelton in person. All I know is that Star was elite. He tossed guys around, held up doubles, great hands, and decent speed for his size. Anytime you can pick a plug and play guy for the next 10 years in the first round I pull the trigger every time. Finding the elite stars is a total crapshoot, IMO. Gotta get lucky.
Agreed on all points
There is a chance we can get a guy who is a staple of our defense for a decade
Mike,
can’t find my old one so I just grabbed a random pic. Golf up in Canada near Banff. Love that place.
Ah, OK. Good skiing there in Banff. Never been there, but it has a great reputaition.
Looking at that FA list. The established elite were Wallace, Albert, Dansby, and Marshall. Character was a red flag for Marshall and that’s why we got him. That was a fail. Both Dansby and Wallace were slight character concerns, but mainly it came down to money. Albert was a little bit of money, but KC saw a chance to get a rookie to fill his spot and decided to spend the money elsewhere. Character wasn’t an issue. Albert seems to be the only one of the four that may end up being a good long term signing, but if injuries derail his career it will be somewhat of a fail as well.
I should say that Dansby made a noticeable impact on our defense and ended up being a good signing. We just didn’t have the right coach to handle him. Wallace might be in that category too.
Wheeler and Ellerbe were both one season wonders that we overpaid by a ton. I think it’s fair to assume we need to avoid those type of FAs.
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
On Russell Wilson….32 teams passed on Wilson AT LEAST two times for the same reason. Dolphins are no more idiots than anyone else.
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Omar is a dumbass…the Phins passed cause they saw a better QB in Tannehill. Other teams may have passed cause they already had a quality QB as well.
They only teams you can question are the ones still in need of a damn QB….SMH!!!
Besides, Seattle is winning because of what’s around Wilson, not because of Wilson alone.
Funny thing on that one is that Omar is really commenting on what Mando wrote (even if he won’t admit it):
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“I am told that Bob Griese, a Hall of Fame quarterback and part of the Dolphins broadcast team, told everyone within the organization that would listen that Wilson needed to be picked by Miami.
Griese told the Dolphins Wilson was, as one source put it, “far and away the second best quarterback prospect in the draft behind Andrew Luck.”
Griese said that cause he likes little guys like him….LOL
Bob Griese also loved Kyle Orton and thought he would be an all/pro. It’s a crap shoot for everyone 😄
Everyone has been trying to give Wilson all the credit for that NFC C win, but they won because of Lynch, the defense, and GB shutting everything of the last quarter.
Not everyone, but way to many people.
Grove, Smiley, Bush, and maybe a couple others were injury risks. I don’t think we signed any of them to huge deals, so it wasn’t a crushing blow when they went down. That said, we didn’t have great alternatives to Grove or Smiley and when they did get injured it hurt OL play significantly.
Grimes is the obvious one I left out. Maybe our biggest success in FA since 2007. Key thing with all these guys was signing them to a deal contingent upon being healthy and productive. Plus, don’t rely on them as a starter. Have backup plans in place.
So none of you nose pickers like Arie Kouandjio as a LG prospect for us?
I feel like I’m posting to thin air most of the time…lol
I like Tomlinson much better
Griese also loves the midgets in the circus.
drg – We traded Grove for Satele. While Satele wasn’t really any better, at least he played, and stayed healthy.
Nope, we signed Grove and then traded Satele for a 7th I believe.
OK, it was kinda like a trade if you think about it.
Burnett, JT, Keller, Moreno, Finnegan, Satele, Fox, Richard Marshall, Incognito, Green, Torbor, Colledge were all guys signed later in the FA period and for reasonable, if not bargain deals. Not surprisingly, this seems to be where we got the most value/dollar.
Starks too. I think the main goal in FA should be to sign guys coming off their rookie deals to reasonable contracts. If the market price is too high let them walk. If you’re worried about injuries or other red flags then sign them to a one or two year deal.
Ha, ha….Dick Marshall. I can just picture Richard walking into a party and Yelling “I’m theee Dick Marshall!”
GDP – Sorry, I do like Kouandijo. Maybe a 2nd RD pick? We’ll see what we need, and what they think of Turner
Ok, kool…thanks for the response 🙂
I wouldn’t spend a 2nd on him, but maybe a 4th.
Mike,
Wasn’t Satele for a draft pick? Maybe a 2nd? I thought we signed Grove in FA. You might be right though.
No, you’re right, I’m wrong.
Bolt, I like Tomlinson too, but not as an early round pick…we should have Turner ready to start, then we’ll likely get a FA vet G too. So I want more play makers on both sides of the ball in the first 3 rounds.
Not disagreeing…just like him more than CUJO
Mike,
It definitely was like a trade.
FME, No FU Mando!!! Bunch of BS if you ask me! 👿
The Miami Herald reports the Dolphins were high on Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema before hiring Joe Philbin in 2012, but the sides disagreed on whether Russell Wilson could be an NFL starting quarterback.
This is an amazing story, and it’s a slow news week ahead of the Super Bowl, so we’ll shout it out. Per ace beat writer Armando Salguero, Dolphins owner Stephen was high on Bielema for the head-coaching job, but Bielema and the personnel department led by ex-GM Jeff Ireland hit a wall when Bielema suggested the Dolphins take Wilson in the second round of the 2012 draft. Bielema allegedly even promised the Dolphins a Super Bowl within five years if they take Wilson, who was Bielema’s quarterback at Wisconsin. Bielema pulled out of the running for the job over “personnel issues,” and the rest is history. Ireland took Ryan Tannehill with the No. 8 overall pick, and Wilson went to Seattle in the third round. The Dolphins remain doormats, while Wilson is going to back-to-back Super Bowls.
Wilson would not have had the same success here as he did in Sea. People tend to be short sighted when they pull all of these what ifs.
Does sound like Ross has a feeling for coaches from Wisconsin though. Add in the Michigan factor and he might think there is Magic in water from the Great Lakes.
I don;t remember even hearing the name Bielema when we were looking for a coach
As I recall it was Jeff Fisher and when he went to Tenn the next guy up was Philbin
But I am just going from memory
“”He was a phenomenal player, teammate, friend. His attitude was infectious. He brought enthusiasm every day to practice. He showed up in the room and he’d be the first person there at six in the morning on the treadmill running, going into his 18th year in the league. He had a love for life and he’s missed by all of his family and friends, and certainly by me and the guys that had a chance to be around him. He was a special person.”
—— Tom Brady on Junior Seau being a HOF candidate.
Also about the only time I agree with him.
GDP
On that First-Pick draft game, I think Kouandijo usually goes in the 2nd, not that it’s right.
That site isn’t the most accurate, but what pundits are?…strictly for entertainment purposes.
NFL Officials will hold Balls before Super Bowl….
http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2015/01/30/super-bowl-footballs-nfl-custody/
Funny, Goodell will be holding Krafts at the same time.
Non trade down:
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 14: Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma (B)
Round 2 Pick 15: Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
Round 3 Pick 14: Justin Hardy, WR, East Carolina (A)
Round 4 Pick 15: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (B+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Eric Rowe, CB, Utah (A-)
Round 6 Pick 15: Cam Thomas, CB, Western Kentucky (B-)
Round 7 Pick 15: Tayo Fabuluje, OT, TCU (A-)
Was Shelton available at #14? Just curious. I know you prefer Phillips anyway.
Yes he was. Like I said I’d prefer to trade down and make the same pick. Also if we were to land Dan Williams in FA DT slides to the back burner until later in the draft.
I sure as hell hope we don’t draft a two down run stuffer at #14. I don’t think Shelton is physically gifted enough to dominate at the pro level, and I don’t see the value in taking a two down player at #14. And, if you look at his stats, he played his best early in the season and declined as it went along.
We agree, lets celebrate…C’mon! 😉
#14 pick is actually a real good spot to be in as a trade down candidate…there will be a few Top prospects that slide to us as I look over the draft class.
I see us finally getting our trade down and then Hickey really showing what he’s made of, his vast experience. This could be a fun draft to follow for Phin fans!!!
Last year on day 2 Hickey made a lot of moves only to have 2 picks, but it was still interesting.
Yes…
Weeeee 🙂 I really like the Trae Waynes pick if we stayed @ #14, he could really bookend with Grimes nicely right out of the gates as a rookie. Let Taylor slot/play nickel.
Round 1 Pick 14: Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State (B)
Round 2 Pick 15: Clive Walford, TE, Miami (Fla.) (B-)
Round 3 Pick 14: Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (B-)
Round 4 Pick 15: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
Round 5 Pick 14: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (C-)
Round 6 Pick 15: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (C+)
Round 7 Pick 15: Jake Ryan, OLB, Michigan (A)
Anthony definitely peaks my interest at ILB and Perriman would fill that big WR role. I like Walford. Ogbuehi woul do have to kick inside to OGS whenever he was 100% again.
D-Bolt
You’ll have to overpay to get Dan Williams here.
Thats the million dollar question. Does he take a fair market deal if you show him you prefer him over Suh. Who knows, as I said thought if we can’t land Williams then I move on to Jordan Phillips in the draft hopefully after a trade down.
Yup! We’ll see what happens. I’m very curious to see what happens with Suh.
isn’t dan williams the same guy that ORob was touting a couple years ago.
jetssuck – Yes, it is
A guy like Trae Waynes paired with Grimes could help the DL get many coverage sacks/QB pressures/hits.
Then TE Clive Walford gives us extra blocking, as well as seam threat, check down option, & red zone target.
Those two could be instant starters kinda like last years first 2 picks.
Then OT Ogbuehi would give us a nice OT for the future, long haul in case Albert gets hurt again and James kicks back to LTor gets too old on us, great depth and he has already played G as well.
Perriman is the big physical WR we can use. Tanny would have weapons all over the place with the future of Landry, Walford, Perriman, & Miller @ RB, driving DC’s nuts.
Anthony addresses a need @ ILB, should flourish by year 2 as could Jake Ryan @ OLB, very smart heady player with non-stop motor. Him and or Tripp would be the future in our LB corp.
Amos, could be a steal also @ FS, he has a nice long frame, nice bulk, good burst, and not afraid of sticking his head in to make big hits unlike Wilson, and experience as a CB too.
I like most of of the players you mentioned
and I like Tannygetting a lot of young weapons too
but would we be better at Run D immediatly ?
Temas exploited our run D last year
I have a hard time not taking a player up front on D early in the draft
But maybe if we can gethelp there in Free agency it becomes inccessary
dbolt48 says:
January 30, 2015 at 7:55 am
I like Shelton, but I’d take Jordan Phillips over him 10 times out of 10.
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Malcom Brown too.
The big texas guy?
There are a few 320+ guys available
Right now I think Shelton is the class of that group though
Agreed.
Pig, thanks, and yes, I did that with the thought in mind of top priority in FA being a savvy vet DT & G….then the rest of FA could be resigning say Clay, signing Gore, etc.
“The judge overseeing former New England Patriots standout Aaron Hernandez’s murder trial says jurors can watch this weekend’s Super Bowl but must be vigilant for any mention of him.”
It’s not just deflategate, the Hernandez trial kicked off a few days before the Bowl………guess the evil genius can’t control everything.
Jordan Phillips is a behemoth, but also a project…he’s almost too tall, gets stood up and guys get around him in running lanes etc. Plus he’s already had surgery for back issues at his young age.
I love his size, and surprising quickness for now, but I’d be very cautious before I spend a 1st round pick on him…IMHO.
I will give a mock draft a shot without trade downs
1. Danny Shelton DT
2. Jaleen Strong – WR
3. Eric Kendricks ILB (I know he might not last)
4. Charles Gaines – CB
5, Jordan Hicks OLB
6. Tyler Varga RB
7. Cam Thomas – CB
In this scenario we would resign Clay and add a couple FA OL
I like mine better, but I’m partial to me 🙂
But nice set of players there.
where is Tim today?
He’s heading to S, Carolina he said he wouldn’t be on much for the next week.
Blog seems more cleaner without him…lol….jkbb’s Silly Tim 🙂
He announced 13x’s yesterday that he was going to SC….Scrotal Castle.
I think he’s off to buy that rubber fist that was lightly stained.
LOL
Four pars, three bogeys, a double bogey, and a triple bogey. for an 8-over 44 over nine holes…..might sound good to you on a Sunday (or maybe not), but that was Tiger Woods in the second round of the Phoenix Open today.
According to Golf Channel lead analyst Brandel Chamblee, “some of the most friendly turf conditions that the players will face all year long” and “Woods was as bad, not as I’ve ever seen him, not as bad as I’ve ever seen another tour pro, the worst I’ve ever seen a tour pro around the greens.”
Sounds like The Golden Bear will remain just that.
Snaggletooth Tiger now….lol
Randy
I don;t understand your comment about a two down run stuffer
First I don;t know that is what shelton is
but also look around the league at some of the 330+ DTs that were taken early in the draft
Guys like Wilfork, Ngati and Dareus
I’m fine with spending an early pick on a run stuffer
My guess is he doesn’t think Shelton has what it takes to be an ever down player, and further thinks he will fade as the season goes on. But I am not agreeing or disagreeing with him or you- I think he may have talked a bit about it yesterday.
Mike E. says:
January 30, 2015 at 8:44 am
You guys crack me up. Like Mike Wallace is the first player to take the money from the team that was offering the best contract. You also completely ignore the fact that he balled last year, except the last game.
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Wallace didnt “ball out” last year. He just played better than his pathetic first season. Balling out woulda been in the 1200-1500 receiving yard range and probably at least 2-3 more TD’s. He gave decent output for way more than decent money. Also to the assertation that he will cost us more if we cut him, thats ridiculous, he saves 2.5 mil no matter how ya structure it, he saves money. Dont cut him, he costs us the full 12mil, cut him and he only costs us 9.5….savings of 2.5mil. If you can get a guy to fill his spot for same or less, you haven’t lost anything. There ARE rookies that could give us the numbers he put up last year because some put up better than him last year.
Odell Beckham Jr had more TD’s and more yards than Wallace last year and he cost a whopping 1.7mil against cap. Randall Cobb more yards and td’s, 1mil against cap, deandre hopkins, more than 300 yards more receiving, though less TD’s, 1.7mil against the cap. Alshon Jeffery, same TD’s 300 more yards, 1.2mil. Mike Evans 250more yards and 2 more td’s 2.2mil, Kelvin Benjamin 150 more yards, 1 less TD, 1.4mil Brandon Lafell 100 more yards, 3 less TD, 2mil., Jordan Matthews roughly same yards, 1 less td, 900k…
Tats not a small list of guys who cost less than we save by cutting Wallace, don’t get me into how many receivers we as productive or more that cost less than his 12mil. No he didn’t “ball out” and its sad to think that we have accepted such poor play for him that we can be happy with what we got last year.
My point in all of this isnt we can get those guys, hope that isnt the interpretation, my point is we can draft a guy and get that kind of production or potentially better at a WAY lower capt hit, and even this year save money doing it.
I’m not sure we need to give Tannehill too many more weapons. A red zone threat would be top my wish list. OL needs to be addressed. I’m pretty confident the offense can put up 23-25 ppg next season with or without Wallace, Hartline, and Clay. We moved the ball with scheme more than talent last season. Another year under Lazor and I expect Tannehill and many others to improve. If we fortify the OL that should improve our run and passing game.
I’m hoping this is a defense heavy draft for us. We don’t have an elite QB or offense, but I think we can develop an elite defense over the next couple of years if we make it a priority in the draft and FA. A defense that consistently limits teams to 20 or less ppg is our path to the playoffs now that the offense is finally coming around.
Well Clay is a Free agent
So who knows if he stays
There also seems to be a lot of speculation about what will happen with our current group of WRs
Judging by Goodell’s PC the Pat’s are getting off Scott free
I didn;t see it
What was said to give you that impression
@ArmandoSalguero: Goodell on if ignorance is defense for deflategate: “we don’t know enough to know who is responsible or if there’s even an infraction.”
@JasonLaCanfora: Goodell asked if “ignorance is no excuse” applies to Deflategate -. Says these are “individual cases” distances this some from Bountygate
Brady might. Belli might. But they have a Wells investigation going on. Don’t see how someone doesn’t get hit. Same Q as Pig.
@JasonLaCanfora: Goodell says league has “already begun” restoring public faith in the league and it’s investigations with its hires and approach to issues
dbolt – don’t read as much into those as you do. Bountygate ended up with the worst penalties there ever were, unless there was something that happened before I was really following.
If you notice Goodell says we don’t even know if there’s been an infraction. Yes, we do know. Balls were deflated under proper PSI & that’s a known FACT. The unknown is who did it or called for it😐
Same as the Bullygate investigation….once it starts the answer from the head office is we’ll see what we do after the matter is thoroughly investigated.
Not the same as bully gate because Goodell said “we don’t even know if an infraction occurred”. We know one did. There lies my problem.
Even if he knows that physics couldn’t do it, there could have been a mistake in some way. He can blast the Pats later. And right now his main objective is to downplay the thing till after the bowl. Makes perfect sense from his standpoint.
Stanger,
I’m just not buying it. If he shocks me I will tell you “you called it!😄”, but for me he has already tried to take culpability off from the Pats with his comments.
Somebody is getting the blame. Might be the frick’n loose cannon ballboy……but pretty sure this will not come out as “nothing happened……move on.”
drg, I soo disagree except for the needing a better OL part.
But we already had a Top 10 or better D until multiple injuries struck, then Coyle panicked and went soft zone waaaay too much, exposed our D worse than needed for fear of giving up the big play…yet teams just methodically marched down the field on us…shades of Olivadotti….UGH!
D,
The WRs have been exceptional the past two drafts as far as immediate production, so there’s hope that drafting one early might replace Wallace, but no guarantee. It would be nice if our coaches would finally figure out how to develop or work with a guy instead of just giving up on that much talent. Too bad we have to make a decision on Wallace before seeing if a good value WR falls to us in the draft.
^ This – Why continue to subract talent. We’re not good enough to overcome that.
D
Wallace put up decent numbers in this nickel and dime offense. He was still the best on this team, and if Tannehill had time, and the accuracy to hit Wallace deep, his numbers would have been what you set as the bar. He can only do what was dictated by this offense. the guy that benefits most from this offense is the slot receiver, because he’s up against the teams 3rd best CB, and he gets to run all the quick slants over the middle where the ball is out quickly. If our O-line isn’t nay better than this year, You can bring Devante Parker and he won’t do better than Wallace did last year, and maybe not as well.
You keep Wallace 1 more year due to contract, he’ll still put up numbers & TD’s.
You still draft his replacement this year, so the kid can groom for a year before having to truly become the #1 Wr in 2016. This isn’t hard to figure out!
It’s weird to have some much blogging going on and so little Tim input.. Kinda nice…
😛
Just being silly, Tim. L o l
Him & FFR both missing at same time, Hmmm, coincidence? I think not….LOL
it is kind of odd…
GDP,
There were injuries, but do you really think things are going to change much if we stick with what we have? I’m not sold on Taylor or Davis as a starting CB next year. Fine going into the season with them competing for the job, but want a couple vets or high draft pick in the mix too. I love Misi, but injuries seem to be a chronic problem and I’m not sold on him at MLB yet. SLB? Will the coaches finally move Jordan there? Who is our starting FS? Next year might be Grimes last, so who replaces him? The way both our DEs tailed off has me worried. We don’t have any proven answer at DT on the roster right now except Starks in the final year of his deal and he seemed to wear down last year. Slot? Wilson is nice, but not really elite at any specific position.
I see our defense trending down and would like to see us address it before it’s a major issue. Even if the offense improves this season and next we aren’t going to outscore teams if they put up 30 on us every week. I just don’t see Tannehill as that type of QB. Maybe I’m wrong, but we need a strong running game and a dominant defense to be a contender, IMO.
You see my draft and explanations of picks above? It addressed both Defense & giving Tanny more weapons, etc.
I was just responding to your assertion that we need to go mostly all Defense heavy in the draft and we can get by on offense without Wallace, Hartline, & Clay all in the same year.
I was like Oh hell No…lol
Mike,
Agree with you about Wallace. I would prefer we invest in another position with our early picks this year unless there’s a great value or a guy the entire front office LOVES. We are paying Wallace. Freaking coach him up and get the best from him. That’s your job.
The only problem with this theory is if he’s a problem child and isn’t coachable, it happens, then get him out of the locker room. It’s the same theory as its a teachers fault if a student isn’t doing their homework and is failing. You can teach your ass off and if that person wants nothing to do with that class you’re not going to force them to play along.
Sometimes addition is by subtraction.
Agreed, especially if the player really wants out.
I’m with drg — why cut a guy when it will cost you more than if he was lining up? At that point you might as well bench him and hopes he comes around.
Then you are saying we should keep hartline too then?
D — I like Hartline, but if we keep him he’s on the field…..no attitude involved. And what we do with him starts with what we do with Wallace. Figure if Wallace goes he stays (even if we might play the renegotiate card)
Well said drg
stangerx says:
January 30, 2015 at 2:33 pm
Somebody is getting the blame. Might be the frick’n loose cannon ballboy……but pretty sure this will not come out as “nothing happened……move on.”
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Which in itself is a problem….LOL, that damn rogue ball boy sabotaging the Pats dynasty.
LOL — my guess is the needle guy is the subject of a serious bidding war right now. We’ll see whether the Pats or TMZ wins. 🙂
LMAO
I heard Tim is taking a pickle jar picker-upper class in SC
He did say Big Poppa South Carolina right?
My what a big pickle you have…LOL
Piggy – Tim said they start with one pickle, and then progress to the whole bottle.
And when that progression is slowed he uses the lightly stained rubber fist for assistance
LOL! Gotta use what you can to get to the top.
Guess how fast it progesses depends on the size of the “breakin in” pickle huh?
LOL
getterdone says:
January 30, 2015 at 1:52 pm
Jordan Phillips is a behemoth, but also a project…he’s almost too tall, gets stood up and guys get around him in running lanes etc. Plus he’s already had surgery for back issues at his young age.
I love his size, and surprising quickness for now, but I’d be very cautious before I spend a 1st round pick on him…IMHO.
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Seriously? I’ve watched quite a bit of Jordan Phillips and I don’t see him getting stood up and guys getting around him in running lanes. Phillips is a 3-4 NT and if he’s taking on two blockers at a time he’s doing his job.
Agreed. Also athletic enough to drop into coverage.
I think sometimes these reporters look at one video see something they dont like maybe the guard or center has an exception game and gets under him a few times that game and BOOM “he’s too tall gets stood up om plays”….yeah like 3 plays of one game terd lol.
That was my opinion, not a reporters, but again, it’s not all the time, and I thin the kid has a lot of potential, but I’m a lil uneasy to move too early on him as mentioned below.
Ok, well see…I din’t say I don’t like him, or that he won’t become good, but I don’t see him as instant success as a rookie, hence my be cautious remark in drafting him @ #14 or even earlier if I was another team.
I wouldnt draft him at 14 either, he would be a guy i would have my eyes on with a trade back though.
Pretty much what we’ve said.
I don’t want to draft any of them at #14. I want to trade back before we take anybody. I still say Michael Bennett’s an option at DT even though his stock fell a little but it fell for NO reason. Just the predraft shuffle.
I’d be happy with at least three of these guys at the DT position; Brown, Phillips or Bennett. Thing about Phillips is he’s a 3-4 NT in college playing the DT position and for how well he did at the NT position he will do better in the 4-3 just like Mitchell and just like DBolt said he’s pretty athletic and moves well for his size. He’s a sideline to sideline guy as a DT.