Wedge Scouting Report: Danny Shelton

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    Don’t get so too close to the Shelton Joe Philbin!!!  Purportedly, the Dolphins have shown real interest in Washington Defensive Tackle Danny Shelton.  So much so Senior Bowl security had to ask Coach Philbin to step back.  Well, truth is the Dolphins are not the only team intrigued with Shelton.

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    Why the fascination with the 340 pound behemoth that can move mountains with a powerful bull rush?  Well because he is a 340 pound behemoth who can move mountains with a powerful bull rush!  (sigh) You Earthlings are so slow…

Danny Shelton

     Given his siz,e its no surprise that people are comparing Shelton to Vince Wilfork and Haloti Ngata.  Get excited – this is the guy that can be the centerpiece for some one’s defense for a decade.  An elite run stuffer!  A guy who you just can’t move.  Do you hear that?  That is the sound of Danny Shelton eating an offensive line…..offensive line so tasty.

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     But is he more than just an immovable force?   In his Senior Year at Washington Shelton had 9 sacks.  Word has it – his moves are pretty much limited to a bull rush.  He just overpowers the interior offensive line.  Get out of my way!!!  I’m Danny Shelton and I am going to crush Tom Brady’s spine!  Um…I just imagine that is what he would say…dare to dream…

NCAA FOOTBALL, GEORGIA STATE AT WASHINGTON

     Shelton shows impressive quickness and agility for a guy his size.  In fact Shelton is a member of the Huskies track team.  No, don’t worry, he is not a pole vaulter.  He competes in the discuss throw and shot put, another tribute to his incredible strength.

IDAHO STATE at no.17 WASHINGTON

     There are no guarantees that Shelton is a great pass rusher at the NFL level.  But run stuffer?  Most scouts seem to think if you draft Shelton, you can get a decade of run stuffing from this reliable space eater.  If I was going to compare Danny Shelton to an Alien Weapon of Destruction I would compare him to a The Great Black Hole of Xvorkkia Nebulas 4.  Go ahead try to go into the black hole – no one will ever see you again!

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Beast Mode meet Feast Mode.  Buffets everywhere beware!!!

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597 Responses to Wedge Scouting Report: Danny Shelton

  1. jetsssuck's avatar jetsssuck says:

    stangerx says:
    January 30, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    Four pars, three bogeys, a double bogey, and a triple bogey. for an 8-over 44 over nine holes…..might sound good to you on a Sunday (or maybe not), but that was Tiger Woods in the second round of the Phoenix Open today.

    According to Golf Channel lead analyst Brandel Chamblee, “some of the most friendly turf conditions that the players will face all year long” and “Woods was as bad, not as I’ve ever seen him, not as bad as I’ve ever seen another tour pro, the worst I’ve ever seen a tour pro around the greens.”

    Sounds like The Golden Bear will remain just that.
    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    in college I had a roommate that had his front tooth knocked out by his girlfriend and I didn’t hear the fight or anything. We used to party hard back in the day.

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      Did she have a piercing? Those things can smart if you accidentally bite down too hard on them?

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      By his girlfriend? I’m hoping she hit him with something hard at least. Three of my four front teeth have been killed (even if some of them were just root canals after contact)……but at least I have a war story for each one. 🙂

      • jetsssuck's avatar jetsssuck says:

        with her fist. Amazing I didn’t hear anything and I was 25 feet away.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Wow…..That’s one tough girl. Guessing her Dad taught her how to throw a punch. BTW — should have mentioned that my teeth got damaged in sports things, but I remember how hard the contact was. Gets me back to one tough girl.

  2. D's avatar D says:

    getterdone says:
    January 30, 2015 at 3:05 pm
    That was my opinion, not a reporters, but again, it’s not all the time, and I thin the kid has a lot of potential, but I’m a lil uneasy to move too early on him as mentioned below.
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    Lol ooops, i know you do better research than that so i retract that, but he looks good to me. I havent seen ton of flaws, i think i like Malcom Brown better though, ever so slightly better.

  3. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Branden Albert ✔ @B_Albert71
    How many offensive guards come out of college and become pro bowl left tackles?? #illwaitforit #thinkpeopleforget #godgifted

  4. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    SillyTim @SillyTim65
    Can now pick up the entire jar. #Stretchedout #AnallyGifted

  5. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
    Among those on witness list: Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, Bills LB Brandon Spikes and Dolphins C Mike Pouncey
    ————————
    Man I hope they don’t feel the need for Pouncey, but Kraft or Beli?…….that would be gold.

  6. D's avatar D says:

    Big Poppa meet Carl Poppa…..

  7. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Don’t know how to load vids yet, but this is one powerful commercial that will be aired during the bowl on Sunday. Have a feeling Ray Rice won’t like it.

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/01/29/sot-nr-nfl-domestic-violence-super-bowl-ad-pizza-911.cnn

  8. D's avatar D says:

    These bad lip reading things are funny

  9. D's avatar D says:

    Not bad for a not trade draft.
    Round 1 Pick 14: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville (A)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Justin Hardy, WR, East Carolina (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Grady Jarrett, DT, Clemson (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Cam Thomas, CB, Western Kentucky (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 15: Ronald Martin, SS, LSU (F)

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      D — looks good, but where is the G? If we don’t make that a FA priority…….you get the idea.

      • D's avatar D says:

        Yeah. But truthfully if they dont get an OG in FA i might lose my shit lol. I cant see any way we get better not getting an OG in FA probably will at least a project guy in the draft. Thats what i keep running into with the no trade back scenarios, i just cant get all the guys i feel we need.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Don’t really care how it comes, but I want one G spot locked. And I’m not talking third round or stop-gap FA.

    • dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

      I can roll with this draft!

  10. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I love the big poppa one
    I’ve seen it 1000 times

  11. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    D, Like this draft. Was Tomlinson there at #3? If so, would have preferred him over Hardy there since you got Parker.

  12. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Round 1 Pick 14: Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State (B)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Clive Walford, TE, Miami (Fla.) (B-)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (C-)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 15: Jake Ryan, OLB, Michigan (A)

  13. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Piggy,
    I don’t really think Shelton is all THAT good. I don’t see him doing much to rush the passer on 3rd downs, so I see him as a 2 down player. I question some of the competition he went against, and I just don’t see a guy who I think will dominate in the NFL. I think he’ll be just another guy when he starts going up against NFL players each week. He’s not going to be bullrushing NFL guards like he does college guys….and that’s all he ever does. I just don’t think he has #14 value. That’s just me. Folks do this all the time…..see a guy do something in college and think he’s just gonna do it in the pros. It rarely works that way….especially with DL. He’s not a Wilfork, Ngata sort of talent.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Im right with ya Randy. He may get there with some strength and conditioning, e seems to have the extra gear you wanna see in players so i like that but he isnt coming in right off and pushing dudes around.

  14. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    Eat it you Cum bags. This might be the best draft ever:

    VIEW EACH TEAM’S DRAFT

    14: R1P14
    K MICHAEL HUNNICUTT
    OKLAHOMA
    47: R2P15
    K NICKLAS SLADE
    NC STATE
    78: R3P14
    K JUSTIN MANTON
    LOUISIANA MONROE
    111: R4P15
    K TOM OBARSKI
    CONCORDIA
    142: R5P14
    P BRADLEY PINION
    CLEMSON
    175: R6P15
    P KYLE LOOMIS
    PORTLAND STATE
    207: R7P15
    P SPENCER ROTH
    BAYLOR

  15. D's avatar D says:

    Round 1 Pick 14: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville (A)
    Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Cody Prewitt, FS, Ole Miss (A)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Ramik Wilson, ILB, Georgia (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 25 (CAR): Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (A)
    Round 4 Pick 25 (CAR): Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (D+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 15: James Castleman, DT, Oklahoma State (C)
    Round 7 Pick 15: Imoan Claiborne, CB, Northwestern State (B-)
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    How dare they give me a D for Marpet…..really!

  16. D's avatar D says:

    By picks 1,2,and 3 i hope we have a new WR, ILB and S. Other positions like RB, OG, DT, CB, OT, etc can get in where they fit in through the rest of the draft. We have pretty strong needs to hit home runs with those first three picks in those positions i listed.

  17. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    I see the trend here that it’s all about the WR corp, but it’s not. Our OL has given up 97 sacks and a billion pressures in 2 years. It’s a veritable miracle that Tannehill hasn’t been severely injured. The fanbase in general (not necessarily everyone on this blog) needs to stop focusing on WR play because to be honest, the fanbase in general has no idea how to analyze WR play.

    It’s once again NOT popular, but I see a real need to focus on the trenches this offseason. Our DL needs a rebuild into something that doesn’t disappear late in the season, and our OL needs at least 1 more rock solid player before we have the luxury of trying to improve on the likes of Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Landry, et. al.

    If Wallace gets jettisoned in the offseason because of his attitude, then we’ll need to get a speedster to replace him, but I honestly don’t think he did anything Landry couldn’t have done this season if Landry were the #1 target rather then Wallace. Being a 9-route specialist doesn’t mean shit if you’re injured every offseason and can’t practice 9 routes with your QB.

    All IMHO.

    • dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

      Agree on your Wallace take. The only WR I bring back is Hartline restructured. Gibson can fuck off with Wallace like they do in WR meeting😆

  18. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    Not gonna argue with Randy, but one the competition comment is bullshit anti-West coast football bias. The Pac-12 was arguably (and the argument would be easy to make) the best football conference in the country this season, and it’s been one of the best in the country for a good 5+ years.

  19. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    BULLSHIT-ANTI WEST COAST!
    LMAO
    I am not a SEC Homer!
    I actually watch a lot of MWC!
    So don’t feel bad Jahn! You get way more respect than we do!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

      MWC is another underrated conference. I gotta say, I don’t know why Randy said that (bias was my assumption) but I just think it’s a totally inaccurate thing to say about the Pac-12.

  20. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Later Fellas
    Gotta go to the boy’s Soccer match!

  21. TryPod's avatar Try Pod says:

    Jahn,
    The anecdotal evidence is there to support your position, too. There are no all star receivers on either team (in the Super Bowl). Smart qb-ing, solid line play on both sides of the ball.

  22. olddolphan's avatar olddolphan says:

    JAHN: Strongly agree with your comments RE: the Pac-12 being the best football conference this past season. –I’d also admit that the Big-10 finally showed up in the bowl games and could also claim to be the best, or damn close to it. –However, for the coming year, I believe the SEC will bounce back and challenge the Pac-12 and the Big 10 for supremacy in college football. –It will be a long time before we EVER see ANY CONFERENCE WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP FOR 7 CONSECUTIVE SEASONS!

  23. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Hey D,
    This draft is for you!

    Round 1 Pick 14: Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma (B)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Clive Walford, TE, Miami (Fla.) (A)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Chris Hackett, FS, TCU (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Lorenzo Doss, CB, Tulane (A)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Sean Hickey, OT, Syracuse (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 15: Jake Ryan, OLB, Michigan (A)

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      This would be a great draft that helps us on both sides of the ball! The first 3, maybe even 4 picks could all be starters by mid-season….then the rest make for nice depth & ST contributors.

  24. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Randy
    As I mentioned in the post
    I agree that he relies On a bull rush a little too often
    I don’t know that he is going to be able to do that in the pros when the opposition is considerably higher
    But I think the bull rush may have been so effective for him bc he was just that much stronger than everyone else

    IMO thee is no question that he is top 15 talent
    In fact I don’t expect him to be available at 14

  25. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    i say you all are missing the point and full of it. the best conference in football top to bottom in college is the SEC. it has been that way the last decade or so. but know what who gives a shit. that has nothing to do with drafting players.

    where did jerry rice go to school, marino, moss the names go on and on, and how many undrafted become great. the list go on and on. yeah ok the majority come from football schools but the conference has little IMHO to do with it. it is the player that matters. for that matter how many have come out of the sec and been a bust. all conferences are full of bust. and i am just talking cheerleader bust. it is all about the individual and the player.

  26. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I do think the PAC 12 is underrated
    I also this the ace has been overrated lately
    I tend to think the sec was the best but their days of being the best might be over
    Seems a little more even across the board now at least last year anyway
    As a whole I thought Oregon was the beat team in football lasts year but ohio state got hot at the end of the season

  27. TryPod's avatar Try Pod says:

    This whole best conference debate really depends on what is being used as criteria- most players playing pro ball or best combined record against other conference(s) or something else I’m not considering.

    • Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

      Exactly, and quite honestly well beyond the scope of my post. Mine was just a defense of the idea that a Pac-12 player deserves to have his resume knocked because of “competition” he went against.

  28. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    My comment was not about “who is the best conference in the country” yet the comments that responded to it mostly seemed to miss that point. Though I did appreciate them. In rereading my post was a bit harsh and judgmental of the reasons Randy said that about the “competition” Shelton faced. I have lived on the WC my whole life, and if you have never lived here you may not realize it, but there is very much a phenomenon of the US population east of the Mississippi missing the mark on what’s happening in sports out here.

    I’m not accusing Randy of East Coast (or anti- West Coast) bias, I just automatically assume that erroneous comments about the competition level of the Pac-12 are a product of such bias.

    Haven’t talked to Randy in awhile and feel a bit bad for coming on so strongly, but suffice to say, the Pac-12 over the last few years is virtually undeniably ONE OF the best conferences in the country. This isn’t a debate about the SINGLE best conference of the country, just an opinion on the quality of the football that’s being played on the WC. Hell, even our HS football programs are amongst the best in the country (It’s a veritable toss between FL and CA)
    http://www.maxpreps.com/news/rtk0-D08zUqiamc4NnPQ_w/high-schools-that-have-produced-the-most-nfl-draft-picks.htm

  29. olddolphan's avatar olddolphan says:

    TWO FAU PLAYERS I hope Hickey at least takes a look at; 1) D’Joun Smith, the best DB to ever play at Florida Atlantic. He’s touted as a 3rd-round talent BUT if he’s still around in round 5, I’d take him and 2) Lucky Whitehead, FAU wideout and kick returner who lead Conference USA in pass receptions last season. Small guy with blazing speed. Kinda a poor man’s Dri Archer, Whitehead is a threat to score any time he gets his hands on the ball. Would be a terrific F/A signing, especially if Wallace gets the boot and Miami has a NEED FOR SPEED!!!

  30. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    “Jahn,
    The anecdotal evidence is there to support your position, too. There are no all star receivers on either team (in the Super Bowl). Smart qb-ing, solid line play on both sides of the ball.”

    Good point Try. Didn’t consider that myself. I just think the difference between us and the playoffs is not WR play. It’s line play.

  31. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Jahn
    I did this draft on Wednesday, thought it covered all the bases.

    Your score is: 5433 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14: Leonard Williams, DT, Southern California (A)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Clive Walford, TE, Miami (Fla.) (A)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford (A)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Tyler Varga, FB, Yale (A)
    Round 7 Pick 15: Derrick Malone Jr., OLB, Oregon (B+)

  32. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    WR I’m not paying enough attention too who’s probably near the top of Miamis list is Nelson Agohlar from USC.

  33. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Piggy – I can actually see Walford lasting to the 3rd RD.

  34. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    this blog doesnt need a swear jar, most of us would go broke. it need a $10 word jar. lol

  35. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    jahn

    i think my comment just said, it doesnt matter the conference. it matters if the draftee is a player or not. like i said some of the best ever at their positions came out of small conferences or not even drafted.

  36. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    What’s up FUers? I still love saying that. LOL. Nice job Piggy…I mean Wedge. I like Shelton. He would be a great fit for us. I still think I want Shaq Thompson more but I would be happy with Shelton.

  37. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Hey FFR, Ken – What’s shakin?

  38. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    i dont get all you guys talking about draft pics. i really dont. dont you get the only way to the super bowl now a days is the owner sucking up to roger and you head coach finding away to cheat your way up top.

  39. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Hard to argue FFR

  40. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    i am joking but not in so much. come on yeah after year the pats draft low. and hell it isnt like they draft some one who dominates. i would so love to thing the nfl isnt the wwf but it is. as long as kraft has roger in his back pocket the pats will always get those ‘wow’ calls and rules. it is what it is the fins are not now the nfl darlings. they have an uphill climb

  41. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Hey Mike E. Work sucks that’s what’s shaking. Brutal week and another one coming up.

  42. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    mike, i have been saying it for years. mostly tongue in cheek cause the pats win. and i hate them. but even listening to tampa radio sports talk, there is a lot of talk about every time they get to the SB there is rumor of cheating. i would so like to be wrong but it is what it is. they get there amongst rumors. and when the commish is partying with the owner it does look way bad.

  43. jetsssuck's avatar jetsssuck says:

    BailBondMike says:
    January 30, 2015 at 5:31 pm

    D, Like this draft. Was Tomlinson there at #3? If so, would have preferred him over Hardy there since you got Parker.
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    Good to c u. Hey I took the grandkids down to Versailles Restaurant to see democracy at its finest. It was amazing to see all the news trucks and cubans discussing the presidents cuba decision. The restaurant doesn’t take mastercard now that they decided to restart financial business relations. I’ve been to the place several times but never on a Saturday/Sunday. There must have been 50 news trucks lining the street. Several International ones also. Alot of local and national politicians. I’m glad you got to eat at this Cuban landmark when you were down here.

  44. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Ken

    Sorry to hear that man. Why so busy now? Or is this the new norm?

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      It’s kind of the new norm. The job I took is a busier office. Higher case volume and the company is writing more policies. So it while it sucks that I am also hopping case to case and court to court at least I am not looking over my shoulder wondering when the next cut back is going to come because file counts are down.

  45. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    FFR

    Besides the cheating and refs in their pocket, they do have an excellent HC, and great QB. They seem to be interchange pieces every year and make it work. Sucks that we’re in their division.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      To play the what if game. Would the Pats dynasty in our division have been so dominant if we signed Brees instead of Culpepper? Colin Cowherd, who I normally can’t stand made a great point that the Pats dynasty, or at least the 2nd half of it, has been sustained largely by a medical opinion on the part of our team physician.

  46. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Mike
    I guess Walford lasting to the 3rd isn’t crazy
    They can’t all be 2nd rounders…lol

  47. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    What’s up Piggy? Nice job on the scouting report.

  48. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Thanks Ken

    FYI my job is miserable lately too

  49. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    mike,

    wow really? i do so question that. i mean in a league that year and and year out a coach wants a consistent roster. now they can have all this turn over year after year and win. yet when they get this far year and and year out a cheating scandal so what it is. is he that great a coach which i have my doubts or they get ever fricking call and they bend rules or even cheat.

    well ok yeah they are just that great. and all of a sudden after 50ish years all of a sudden two men in baseball are obliterating the single season home run legend. and hey there were not cheating either back then.

  50. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    That would be living the dream Ken…

  51. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I think in most drafts, Walford would be a 4th or 5th RD pick. It’s just a shitty draft for TE;s, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he goes 2nd RD. he may even go late 3rd or 4th. He still is what he is, and taking him earlier won’t make him any better.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Says the guy who was screaming because we didn’t draft Amaro. JKBBLOL.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Amaro will be a good TE. He showed some flashes of what he could do. Also take into consideration he’s playing for the Jets, and Geno Smith.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Amaro was something of a disappointment this year. Yes he had Geno Smith but Amaro was exactly helping himself either. He struggled in his own right. He had some moments but he is far from a sure thing. Landry on the other hand looks like a stud. We did well.

  52. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Ken
    I hate to say this, but I’d bet Brees wouldn’t have had the career here that he’s had in Nawlins. Everything just worked out great for him there.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Brees would have been great where ever he went. He is a hell of a talent and Saban wouldn’t have left like a punk bitch had he signed Brees instead of Culpepper.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        NOLA was not in that great of shape when Brees went there. They were a mess when he signed there. We were considered an up and coming team when we passed on Brees and NOLA was seen as the after thought. Brees wanted to come to Miami as he saw that as the better opportunity.

  53. jetsssuck's avatar jetsssuck says:

    any of u watching the heat game? The whiteside new guy is killing it he already has 21 rebounds and 16 points and its only half way through the 3rd quarter.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      Sorry jetssuck, Knicks fan here, and they suck 1000x worse than the Dolphins, so even if they were playing the Knicks I wouldn’t be watching.

  54. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    FFR – It can’t be all cheating, that would require a lot of people to cooperate. Something would come out, a lot more than we’ve heard about. JMO

  55. professor lou's avatar professor lou says:

    jahndoh says:

    January 30, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    “Jahn,
    The anecdotal evidence is there to support your position, too. There are no all star receivers on either team (in the Super Bowl). Smart qb-ing, solid line play on both sides of the ball.”

    Good point Try. Didn’t consider that myself. I just think the difference between us and the playoffs is not WR play. It’s line play.
    ____________
    I’d say line play is still a big part of it because the run and pass blocking still isn’t were it needs to be. If we can run the ball more consistently it’s only going to help with the passing game but we need to be able to run the ball when we want and eat up clock and we can’t or run it for more explosive plays to keep the defense honest.
    Likewise, we need to be able to pass protect better but if we can run block it will make pass protection easier.
    Where our wr play is concerned some, but not as much, blame falls onto these guys and I say that because with Landry playing as well as he did and Wallace having a 10 td year I’d say Hartline and Gibson could have done better than their 2 td and 1 td years, respectively.
    So, there’s a few things contributing, some more than others, but it’s like this year in and year out. You think Hartline is going to have a better year with Wallace here for his 2nd season and Landry in the mix and Hartline shits the bed.
    No consistency. Maybe if we get more solid on the line things DO get much better in the passing game but if everything’s got to be perfect for some receivers to get the job done and not so much perfect for others than maybe the guys who need it to be perfect should be looked at more closely as to whether they should be here or not.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Agree Hartline and Gibson were disappointing this year. We can still use an upgrade at WR but OL is still my priority if I were a GM. The fell apart late in the season. I know injuries were a part of that but we still need 2 OGs and depth at OT.

  56. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    mike

    ok belicheat is the only coach in history who can change a roster year in and year out and win. it has nothing at all to do with him cheating and/or getting the refs in his back pocket.

    hey i told you wish i was wrong and the nfl isnt the nba. but it just is

  57. professor lou's avatar professor lou says:

    Jahn,
    I’m HOPING, although I don’t like to take things for granted anymore, Turner and Thomas step up this year and contribute on the o-line with at least one of them being a starter. If we turn around and get one guy in FA then so much the better than the depth should get better on the line but I still wouldn’t be above trying to get at least one of the better o-lineman in the draft. My personal preference of course is Tomlinson but I trust Hickey to make the decision.
    It would be great if some of the young talent we have on the d-line steps it up too but if we get one in FA that’s ok too. Also, I’d love to see us take one of the better tackles in the draft to help out. We need to stop the run as much as we need to run the ball better.
    However, with the amount of talent there is out there at the wr position in this draft I wouldn’t be a happy camper if we didn’t take at least ONE of them.
    You know how much I’ve pounded the table for guys like Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb and Terrance Williams in the past only to watch them go elsewhere.
    If we don’t get at least ONE I’ll need to stick my head in a bucket of ice on draft day to cool off. LOL

  58. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Is there anyone out there that still thinks Dion Jordan will be an impact player for us?

  59. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    FFR – The competition in our division has been subpar for quite some time. That’s not the Patriots fault. If they were in the AFC West, or AFC North, they would’ve had a tougher road the last decade. You can’t discount that.

  60. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I’m just hoping to get regular production out of Jordan

  61. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I’m watching the heat game jest suck
    To bad Dallas just went on a big run
    😦

  62. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Lou
    The modicum is the thing that “dials up” and connect you to the interwebs

  63. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Modicum has to be at least a $5 word. Where’s Jahn. I need a ruling on this. LOL.

  64. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    Yeah, I’m skeptical on Dallas Thomas myself, but I’m not quite at the “the ship has sailed” point just yet.

    I also can’t count on him. Here’s who I can count on: Albert (barely, because he has a hard time completing seasons), Pouncey (at Center, although I know there’s plenty who want him gone, if I were GM I think he’s worth every penny..again, at center), James (because he proved he can be counted on.

    That leaves 2 big holes at Guard. Maybe one of who we have makes a year over year improvement, but I’d draft (probably highly…first two rounds) the other one. I haven’t looked at the FA Market, but I’m not big on the idea of spending a bunch of money on free agents this offseason so I think getting a guy I can count on has to come from the draft.

    • professor lou's avatar professor lou says:

      ++++++

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Albert’s injury was a freak injury. It’s not it was a chronic issue that prevented him from finishing a season. A guy rolled up on his leg. Could have been any body.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        But he has had a lot of injuries
        Usually less severe stuff

      • Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

        Ken, I can’t remember the specifics, but he’s failed to end a few seasons in recent history. I remember having this discussion with Tim about Ronnie Brown. No matter how random the injuries/causes, at some point the player is injury prone. At any rate, I’m not looking to replace Albert, I just have concerns as to whether he’s around if we (ever) make the playoffs.

      • professor lou's avatar professor lou says:

        yeah, I think Jahn was referring to his injury history going back to his days at KC

      • professor lou's avatar professor lou says:

        yeah, kind of like ………………………………………….misi?

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        He had a back issue when he was at KC. It cost him a couple of games at the end of one season and maybe a couple in another season. His injury this year was a freak injury. I think it is unfair to lump that on him. A guy rolled up on him. Could have been anyone.

      • Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

        Actually maybe it was more of a large number of missed games in the last 3 years. I remember being a bit taken aback.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I kind of like spending big fa $ on OL

  65. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    Mike E,

    Saw your draft early. LOL @ all the Pac-12 players! If you want an A+ from me though you need to focus more on the CA Public universities and less on the privates. More Cal, UCLA, and less Stanford/SC!

    LOL….only kinda kidding. I guess I can’t rule out good players from SC/Stanford, but they always have me seeing red. 🙂

  66. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    OK Jahn, so Tomlinson, Kouandijo, Ogbuehi? Who is it?

  67. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    LMAO @ Lou’s 10:18

  68. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    Piggy,
    Who’s on the FA market that you’d spend on? Iupati? I think he’s going to be too expensive. Between him Albert and Pouncey it’d be a TON of cap space devoted to OL. Maybe it’s a cause that merit’s it though…I really feel like Tannehill’s ready to take the next step.

    • professor lou's avatar professor lou says:

      What about Franklin?

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Iupati would be exactly what we need on OL. A tough interior OG. Yes he may break the bank but I would love that signing.

      • Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

        We could end up with 25% of our salary cap devoted to OL, but hell, maybe it’s worth it….it’s a sellers market, he’s gonna make HUGE money IMHO.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        I know it’s a lot of money on OL but I do think it would be worth it. OL has been the achilles heel of this team for too long. We have a young QB who is coming into his own. We have a RB that is coming into his prime. Get some OL and let this O flourish.

      • Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

        ^Exactly why I want to draft one. You can actually plan on keeping the drafted ones for 4 years, whereas, seems like most FA contracts end up being 2 year deals, 3 max these days, and then you’re shopping again. Look at Pouncey, Wake, Wallace and Hartline’s contracts. All of those contracts have been scrutinized wondering if the production is worth it. With a rookie contract, if there’s production, it’s guaranteed to be worth it.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Jahn:
        I have no issue if we went OL early in the draft and there is some sense in doing that. My only concern is to get someone who can have an impact immediately. Last year we were .500 on that with James a big hit and Turner still developing. We need an impact player now. That’s why I prefer going OL in FA because it is more of a sure thing but I would be fine if we went OL heavy in the draft.

  69. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    ken

    no jordan wont. but that is you fault. if you gave him some of the green love like you do me he would be smashing away. it is all your fault

  70. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    Ken,
    It’s important to me that you know I’m not putting his injury history on him, but he’s missed a fair amount of games in the last 3 years, and I think it’s honest fodder when assessing his reliability.

    All of that said, and again, I did list him as a guy I could count on, I’d just like to know we’ve got a solid backup at LT is all…

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      I didn’t think his prior history was as bad as you said but I have not gone to look it up. I trust you on your recollection of that. I just think the injury this year was a fluke with a guy rolling up on him and it’s hard to put that on him for being injury prone guy. That could have happened to anybody. To me the injury prone label is for a guy with a chronic issue that keeps recurring. That’s not what happened with Albert this year. It was something completely different than what was bothering him at KC and was something that could have happened to anybody.

      • Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

        Yeah, but was Ronnie Brown “Injury prone”? I only ask because it’s an interesting parralell. He missed a lot (way more then Albert) of games, but mostly on random, in some cases, freak, injuries.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Likewise I thought the Ronnie Brown injury prone label was overblown as well.

  71. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    ken

    now you know have you chained you love it, but you know you can break away on your own

  72. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Jahn
    Iupati is probably my dream FA
    I basically hated the Wallace signing
    Loved the Albert signing
    And would love signing Iupati

    I think it’s okay tp spend a big chunk of your salary cap on OL
    I feel like its a little less risky than spending fa $ on Skill positions

  73. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Woop woop
    Well over 400 comments today, even without Tim…lol

    We are doing really good on this blog so far!

  74. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    If you have a lot of $ allocated to OL and QB
    And then you have a young D and skill positions
    I think that is a good formula

  75. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    You make a good case Piggy. But I don’t know if we can swing it to be honest. We’re ok on cap, but one more blockbuster offseason signing might end up putting us behind the salary cap 8-ball the very year when we have to negotiate what is going to be a VERY expensive Tannehill contract.

  76. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    Ken on Ronnie Brown, I used to fight that fight. But at some point, an injury is an injury and a game missed is a game missed. It’s all ethereal, but as imaginary GM, I’d have to consider those things in the “reliability” category. Whether it’s labeled “injury prone” or not, doesn’t matter much I guess…

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Injuries are a risk with every signing and draft choice. To me the issue is if there is a chronic condition that will limit a player. Otherwise the rest is a crap shoot if a player stays healthy or gets hurt. It is a violent sport.

  77. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I mean
    I get it
    It’s probably not likely we even make a play on Iupati
    But I live among the clouds
    So I dream…

  78. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Goodnight all! I have to get up early for work tomorrow. Peace!

  79. Jahndoh30's avatar jahndoh says:

    Gotta go to Dinner, but if I get a chance to blog with ya some other time Piggy, lets figure out how we fit Iupati @ 9M per (that’s the magic number) under the cap. I’m intrigued with the concept even if I still want one early in the draft. Lets just make this line bullet proof and send Tannehill, this offense and this team off to the races.

  80. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I’m out to
    Gotta a pile of mud waiting fir me

  81. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Alright. I need to call it a night as well. Just happy to finally get some quality blogging time in. I am out. Peace to you all.

  82. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    D/Jahn
    I think Shelton definitely has some strengths. He’s quick off the ball, CAN shed blockers well at times….sometimes just shrugging guys off….but doesn’t always do it. He plays hard and seems to be a self-motivated guy. It’s more his ceiling I’m worried about. Frankly, I’d ike to see what he could do at 315. I think he’s carrying a little too much weight.

    As to the competition comment, I was speaking specifically about guys I watched play against him. I wasn’t trying to make a comment about a league or conference or whatever. I think he went up against some OL that didn’t look real good in the way they played. Was it Shelton making them look bad? It didn’t always look that way to me. But, the kid made a lot of hustle plays. Again, he’s a topflight talent in this draft, I’m not trying to say he sucks….just don’t see his value at #14. I don’t see an Aaron Donald, Sheldon Richardson, Star L., Dareus sort of player…..I see a guy a tier below that.

    Trying to figure all this stuff out is the fun of the draft!

  83. professor lou's avatar professor lou says:

    Tomlinson has moved up to a 2nd rd projection now, rated the 49th best prospect at this time, which is close to where we’d be in the 2nd. Cann is right there with him at this time but he may even move up a little before the draft. Tomlinson could too. Doesn’t mean that’s where they end up going but they both can still move up a bit.
    But, imagine taking Collins, Cann or Tomlinson and then Ogbuehi in the 3rd. Is it worth it or is it not diversified enough? Then, you can take Donovan Smith in the 4th. LOL.
    If Hickey did something like that two things would happen. One, the fans would be out for blood and, two, I think he’d piss off some teams for hogging so many o-lineman. lol

  84. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Ya’ll can keep your shinny first round WR
    I’ll take this one in the 3rd maybe 4th

    Tony Lippett Michigan State Spartans Junior Wide Receiver #14

      • dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

        I like Lippett a lot, but not for this offense. He is a bigger version of Hartline who’s not as clean of a route runner, but does catch better on contact and high points the ball. He doesn’t make people miss and really doesn’t break tackles. Once again I appreciate the player, but don’t see a fit with our offense.

  85. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Good morning! A pleasant 13 degrees, with wind chills below zero. I just cranked the heat up at work, by the time the rest of the staff gets in, it will be toasty warm.

    • dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

      We’re at one right now with a wind chill of -15. Son has indoor soccer, but the facility is a non insulated steel building so it should be about 10 degrees before they get the heater going in there….LOL

    • Brian in NY's avatar Brian in NY says:

      Morning! We are at 1 degree as well, with wind chills between -15 and -29.

  86. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Where’s Randy? He’s probably at -20, with wind chills of -40

  87. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    There’s a lot of shrinkage going on here. lol

  88. Brian in NY's avatar Brian in NY says:

    Mike,
    It’s so cold with the wind, I skipped my son’s morning ski lesson time and am just going to take him to the 12:30 one. He’d definitely go out in it, but IMO that’s dangerous weather for a little guy.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      That’s the one thing I never cared for when I went skiing. I enjoyed skiing, but going up on lifts in frigid temps, and sometimes getting stuck up there, or just going to the top of a high mountain, you could be a popsicle by the time you get to the top. You’re just up there sitting, fully exposed to the wind and cold, it sucks!

      • Brian in NY's avatar Brian in NY says:

        Yeah. My son couln’t have better gear to keep him warm, but there’s only so much you can do when it’s that cold. -11 on Monday here!

  89. Dloxahatchee's avatar dcoralsprings says:

    Bit cool here as well
    I mean damn 57 degrees
    I actually needed to put on a long sleeve t-shirt
    The horror of it all

  90. Dloxahatchee's avatar dcoralsprings says:

    I’m a southern boy through and through lol
    We live on a twenty degree swing
    95 summer, 75 winter
    Get outside of that and you really feel it, weird

    Funny I have left out of here twice to go fishing up in mosquito lagoon
    When it’s in the 80’s loading up, sweating
    So I take off in shorts and flips
    Head three hours north to find its in the 40’s lol

  91. TryPod's avatar Try Pod says:

    If we’re giving weather reports, then it’s °23 here, about 10 miles due east of Churchill Downs, under mostly cloudy skies, with a light wind out of the NW, making the “feels like” temperature °22.

  92. Dloxahatchee's avatar dcoralsprings says:

    Lol
    Jack wants to be a bourbon
    I don’t drink a lot, but when I do…
    I was in NOLA awhile back my brother a I were drinking
    Pappy van winkle
    Well at that price it was more like sipping
    Really nice stuff

  93. herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

    It’s sunny and a balmy 12 degrees here. Where are my flip flops?

    • dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

      A canibalistic hill billy stole so he had better footing while he mounts his mountain goat 😇

      • herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

        That’s funny you mention a mountain goat. There is one that I see all the time, up on a hill beside the road that goes to a shopping area. My daughter is always looking for it, it’s become kind of a game to see who spots it first.

  94. Dloxahatchee's avatar dcoralsprings says:

    Well I’m out, you guys have a great day and stay warm
    Oh and F the pats

  95. herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

    I tried to manufacture some interest in the Super bowl but the Herd has a player on both teams. I guess I’m going with Seattle being I really don’t want the Pats to win. I have to think the league wants Seattle to win as well. Makes the whole deflategate thing a little less of an issue.

  96. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    LOL Herd. I was so surprised when. I lived in WV how many people kept goats as pets.

  97. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    From Walter Football
    http://walterfootball.com/draft2015.php

    1rd Kevin White, WR, West Virginia
    2nd Mario Edwards, DE/DT, Florida State ( I haven’t looked into him at all)
    3rd Chris Hackett, S, TCU

  98. Tim Knight's avatar Silly Tim says:

    What up? Looking at the ocean from Hilton head. It’s not like summer but it’s warmer than up north.😎

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