ABSOLUTE PERFECTION: THE 1972 MIAMI DOLPHINS

By: Randy Campbell (Old Dolfan)

GAME 3: OCTOBER 1, 1972 – MIAMI at MINNESOTA

The NFL schedule makers provided few favors for the Miami Dolphins during the early portion of The Perfect Season. Week #1 featured a date with the very powerful winners of Super Bowl IV, the Kansas City Chiefs, at brand new Arrowhead Stadium.  After a week #2 game at the Orange Bowl against Houston.  The schedule makers sent Miami back on the road to play one of the strongest teams in the NFC, the Minnesota Vikings.  The Vikings were a franchise on the cusp of greatness. In January 1970 they advanced to Super Bowl IV as double-digit favorites to defeat the Chiefs.  But, for the second straight season, the AFL representative conquered the NFL’s best.  Vikings Hall of Fame head coach Bud Grant said,”Now I know how Don Shula felt when he lost the Super Bowl to the Jets.”  Like Shula, Grant vowed to get back to the Super Bowl.

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Indeed, Bud Grant would return.  But, unlike Shula, Grant would never win pro football’s ultimate game.  Four times during the decade of the ’70’s Grant would get his Vikings to the Super Bowl.  Four times he would suffer the agony of defeat.  However, from the late ’60’s through the late ’70’s, the Vikings were among the very best franchises in the NFL. The 1972 Minnesota Vikings were loaded with Hall of Fame talent.  The defense, known as the “Purple People Eaters” (after the Vikings bright purple jerseys) had Carl Eller, Jim Marshall and PPEAS16X20f-300x237Alan Page, who would go on to be a Minnesota state supreme court justice after a stellar NFL career.  The offensive line was anchored by huge rookie tackle Ron Yary (a future HOF inductee) and by Mick Tinglehoff, one of the leagues’s best centers for over a decade and a likely future Hall of Famer.  Brute strong fullback Bill Brown was Minnesota’s featured running back.  Receivers Gene Washington and speedy John Gilliam were legitimate deep threats.   But the man who made Minnesota go, their prodigal son, Fran Tarkenton, had just returned to Minnesota after five solid years with the Giants. It was 146574860-31211024-300x215Tarkenton who had taken this franchise to prominence when he quarterbacked this team from 1961 to 1966.  In 1972 he left the Giants toreturn home — to the absolute delight of hard core Viking fans.  By the time he retired, Tarkenton would own many all-time NFL passing records, including most career yards passing (47,003) and most career touchdown passes (342). His records would stand for over 20 years until broken by Dan Marino.  Simply put, these Vikings were a dominant football team, especially at home.  The prior week, Minnesota crushed the Detroit Lions 34-10.  Thus, it was little wonder the Vikings were a touchdown favorite over the visiting Dolphins.

 

The game started poorly for the undefeated Miami team.  Just over four minutes into the game an amazed Tarkenton saw an unguarded John Gilliam wide open down the field. “Tarks” 56-yard bomb was right on target and the Vikings had an early 7-0 lead.  This could have started the Dolphins downfall.  But, it didn’t.  Miami receiver Marlin Briscoe, traded to the Dolphins from Buffalo for a first round draft choice, said,”if this was Buffalo, the first thing we’d do is PANIC!!  Then, we’d throw the bomb. Our quarterback would get sacked and the game would be over.  But things are different here in Miami. We knew, deep in our hearts, we’d win!”  Bob Griese’s calm deliberate approach failed to produce results.  But Miami’s “No Name Defense” stood firm and the second quarter concluded with the score still stuck on 7-0.

 

The Dolphin’s offense began to show signs of life in the third quarter.  Mixing passing and running plays, Griese twice got the Dolphins into Viking’s territory.  The first drive produced a 38-yard Yepremian field goal.  The next drive ended when the left-footed Cypriot connected on a 42-yard effort.  Late in the third quarter Minnesota produced their first meaningful drive since scoring on a long bomb early in the game.  But before the drive ended, the gun sounded ending the third quarter.  Minnesota led 7-6 with one quarter to go.  The Vikings concluded their drive with a 1 yard touchdown run by Bill Brown.  Trailing 14-6 it appeared the Dolphins were going to lose their first game.  Midway in the last quarter Miami took over on their own 20.  An 18 yard pass, Griese to Morris, was followed by a double-reverse that culminated in Marlin 04-300x225Briscoe’s 22 yard pass to tight end Jim Mandich.  A few plays later Garo Yepremian lined-up a 51 yard field goal attempt.  If good, it would be the longest of his career!  The ball just cleared the crossbar and the Dolphins now trailed by only 14-9.  But it was late, very late.

 

Now, the “No Name Defense” had to stop the Vikings ONE MORE TIME!  Two runs by Oscar Reed went nowhere! On third and long, Tarkenton’s pass was tipped away by Tim Foley!  The Dolphins would have ONE FINAL CHANCE!  The drive started on Miami’s 41.  Morris’ run got only two yards. But on the next play the Vikes’ Bob Lurtsema hammered Griese with a late hit.  The 15 yard penalty moved the ball to Minnesota’s 42.  Expecting a pass, the Vikings dropped back into coverage.  So Griese switched the call to an end sweep, resulting in a 14 yard scamper by Mercury Morris to the 28.  In clutch situations, Griese liked to go to Howard Twilley, ashort, average speed receiver who NEVER seemed to drop a pass.  Reliable Howard was true to form, catching two passes for 25 yards.  The Dolphins were now 3 yards from victory. Everyone in Metropolitan Stadium was standing and screaming!  Tight end Jim Mandich said “I thought we’d just pound the ball to Csonka with less than two minutes to go”…so did the Vikings.  Instead, Griese faked a hand-off and threw a short pass to a totally wide open Jim Mandich for the winning touchdown!  Fins Win 16-14!  The Perfect Season was still alive!

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Miami’s late drive for a touchdown grabbed the headlines. But, in truth, the “No Name Defense” was responsible for this upset victory.  The “No Names” sacked the elusive Tarkenton five times.  They intercepted Tarkenton three times, including a pick on Tarkenton’s desperate heave on the game’s last play.  After giving up a 56 yard bomb on Tarkenton’s first pass, the “No Names” held Tarkenton to just 50 YARDS PASSING THE REST OF THE GAME!!!  It was an awesome performance.  In the post game locker room, Bud Grant told reporters, “There were no excuses, no breaks. They just beat us. At the end, they were stronger than we were.”  In Miami’s locker, Shula said, “We take great pride in our conditioning.  Today I believe it made a difference.”

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The Dolphins were now all alone in first place in the AFC Eastern Division and they were now the ONLY undefeated team in the National Football League.  Miami’s two upset road wins over Kansas City and Minnesota had put them squarely in the limelight.  Everybody was following the Dolphins.  Next up: the schedule makers had the Dolphins on the road versus the second place team in the AFC East, the HATED NEW YORK JETS, their rabid fans, and their all-world quarterback, Joe Namath!  The 1972 Miami Dolphins were now 3-0.

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435 Responses to ABSOLUTE PERFECTION: THE 1972 MIAMI DOLPHINS

  1. olddolphan says:

    I HOPE ALL of you enjoy this little story about the ’72 Dolphins SECOND upset road victory in three weeks during THE PERFECT SEASON.–And focus on Shula’s locker room comment: “We take great pride in our conditioning. Today, we believe it made a difference.” –Instead of BLOWING 4th quarter leads, these Dolphins overwhelmed VERY GOOD TEAMS late in the game because of their superior conditioning.
    ————
    I hope all of you fine folks have a terrific day. –I’ll be back on this board after work. –GO FINS!!

  2. son of a son of a shula says:

    It’s Wednesday that means the ’72 Fins are whooping someone’s ass again.

    If the Seahawks ran the ball Pats lost the SB Belicheat would have been tied with Bud Grant and Marv Levy for most SB loses by a coach.

  3. son of a son of a shula says:

    The conditioning lies mostly at the feet of the players now, there is only so much the coaching staffs can do now-a-days with the players because of collective bargaining. They have very limited practice now compared to when Shula coached especially early on.

  4. The Flying Pig says:

    Great story OD
    As expected!

    Long live the ’72 Dolphins ….Oinkers to the end!

    Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  5. The Flying Pig says:

    Paint with water colors and eat sawdust

  6. son of a son of a shula says:

    Drag woman into elevators and make kids ball sacks bleed

  7. son of a son of a shula says:

    let air out of footballs and dance really weird

  8. The Flying Pig says:

    expand their foreheads and appear on SNL

  9. D says:

    Shove hamsters up their butts while their coach sucks their toes.

  10. D says:

    Gain 15 lbs of muscle they will never use, as they sit out 6 weeks of the regular season.

  11. D says:

    Steal Grandma’s money so they can make it rain for the corn-fed girls of Indianapolis.

  12. Mike E. says:

    Good morning people. Tough day yesterday. We went live with the “new’ software program for everything we do in Optical and contact lenses, and it is significantly worse than the old program. The only benefits I can see at the moment are for the people who work in the billing department, but for those of us who have to navigate this program, it’s a horror show until we get used it, and by used it, I mean, I suppose if if someone flayed the skin off one of your fingers every day, you can probably get used to that too. Drives me crazy that people who work in Lenscrafters and Costco tell me how simple it is to put an order into their system, and now we this to deal with. For a few hours minutes there I almost felt like quitting.

    • D says:

      LOl its cause your old. Half the 70+ year old nurses in our hospitals wanted to quit when they had to use “this new fangled computery system”. LOL, dont worry man your retirement day will be here soon enough … 🙂

      • D says:

        Oh and condolences….. 😛

      • Mike E. says:

        No, it really isn’t. You’d have to see it to see what I mean. I’ll give you a quick example. Someone from outside the practice comes in (Meaning a patient examined by a doctor not from our practice) walks into our store, and just wants to know some prices before they order something. I would have to register them, which means getting a shit ton of info from them, and register them in a different program, just so they would be populated into my new program. Then, I’d have to actually put an order in (there is no price search function on this program, and putting an order in now requires putting info into numerous screens, and then, finally, I’d have a price. If the person is till alive by that time, and they decide they need to drink some water or eat, since it’s been 3 days since they first asked, I have to delete everything I just did, except the registration part, which really, is unnecessary for what we do in Optical. IT SUCKS!!! I learned the last program very quickly, and I was considered one of the most proficient with it in our company. This one smells, BAD!

  13. D says:

    Go see their sister “The Amazing Squirtestra” perform live in Veags…..

  14. D says:

    Mail 1000’s of individual “fuck messages” to their former boss, on University of Michigan letterhead.

  15. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    February 18, 2015 at 9:44 am
    No, it really isn’t. You’d have to see it to see what I mean.
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    LOL i was just yanking your chain man, lol it doesn’t shock me in the least to hear that story. What ya have there is programmers “designing” things. Is this a smaller company, and have they ever sent people out to your facility to observe day to day functions? Sounds like they let the programmer who knows dick about your day to day, choose how the functions operate and the flow of the menu’s. Definately sounds like they are missing user input on their design. I once had to break it down to a few of our programmers how things work at a hospital, because they were liek “well the just have to do this this this and this” and i was like, dude, they do this shit 500 times a day, its gotta be one click or they are going to lose their shit lol. To them, that design you see makes sense lol. Sad but true. See below.

    • Mike E. says:

      This diagram is pretty dead on accurate. If you really want to know what went down, it’s this. The new Practice Administrator used to be the head of the billing department, and she, as opposed to the President of the optical company I work for, most likely chose this program, because on the billing end, it’s much more accurate and easier for them to tie the programs together, BUT, for us on the business end, it’s a nightmare. They are trying now to tailor this garbage to our needs, but the program itself is so far off the mark. Way too many steps to complete the simplest of things.

  16. son of a son of a shula says:

    Mike you guys need to add a fake customer to the system that you can pull up just for pricing info and the like. Mary Jane Rottencrotch for woman and Heywood Jablowme for the men. Then when you just need prices you pull one of them up.

  17. Mike E. says:

    OK, let’s get back to talking about Chad Henne. This is getting me aggravated. lol

  18. Silly Tim says:

    Mesmerized in mindless amazement.

  19. Silly Tim says:

    I’ve always wanted to be Gloria Allred.

  20. Mike E. says:

    Bat should just appear when the Henne picture is displayed

  21. Try Pod says:

    OD,
    Thanks for the stories! Every blog should have a resident historian.
    Ok, I survived. It was one of the better concerts I have been to, for the following reasons:
    1. This particular arena has great sight lines, so the only thing blocking the stage views were speaker and light assemblies.
    2. I knew all but maybe 2 songs.
    3. Christie McVie is on the tour, which makes it feel more authentic.
    4. Each member, with the exception of John McVie, told a story or 2 that was interesting, from their historical perspective.
    5. The sound was really good- not blaring or muted/muffled.
    6. They actually sounded really good. The only song they keyed down was “Go Your Own Way”. Their voices were solid.
    7. They did a solid 2h 15m set.
    8. Wife had a great time, which was the most important part. She even got at shirt! Lol

  22. Silly Tim says:

    Yeah Christie McVie left the band along time ago. The band as a whole has broken up a few times.

  23. Mike E. says:

    Try – Both of those songs are on my iPod

  24. Silly Tim says:

    Rumors was the only record I had from Fleetwood Mac and that was a cassette I recorded from a friend. They were played on the radio so much I never felt the need to buy their records.

    I had to save my money for more music not played much on the radio like The Song Remains the Same, Yessongs, Yesshows etc. 🙂

  25. Mike E. says:

    Ebony Eyes was a cool song. Always liked the guitar riff in the beginning. I think he sounds a lot like Steve Miller in that song.

  26. Try Pod says:

    Now the next big concert at the KFC YUM! Center (seriously- that’s its name; I always thought we’d refer to it as “The Bucket”, but that hasn’t seemed to take off-yet!):
    Kenny Chesney.
    I will not be in attendance.

  27. Silly Tim says:

    Try, ever hear Bill Bruford’s One of a KInd?

  28. Silly Tim says:

    I probably know the songs if I heard it but not familiar with Bob Welch.

  29. Mike E. says:

    Ebony Eyes

  30. Al in MIA says:

    To whomever manages this website,

    It is incredibly frustrating to go through 4-5 steps just to post a comment in here because of what I perceive to be lazy coding.

    There should be a link to log in directly on every blog entry at the bottom and at the top of the page instead of only seeing the option only after clicking into the “leave a reply” field.

    The logic is fucked up to say the least.

    Right now I have to do the following in order to post a comment/reply:
    Step 1 – Click on comment/reply field.
    Step 2 – Log in by clicking the WordPress icon which appears only when you are inside the comment/reply field.
    Step 3 – Hit refresh or back key on the browser to get back into the blog entry because the comment/reply field returns an error saying “you must be logged in to post comment” or something to that effect (IMO because the validation order in code is crap).
    Step 4 – Click on comment/reply field again to make comments/replies.

    Clearly there is redundancy in a process that should only be Step 1 – log in, STep 2 click on comment/reply field to post comment.

    Ok, that is all.

    🙂

  31. Al in MIA says:

    Trypod,
    lol @ KFC center…
    Well, yea the YUM! part is obviously the ownership group (Yum! Brands Inc).

    Wiki Entry for Yum!:

    Yum! Brands, Inc., or Yum!, is an American fast food company. A Fortune 500 corporation, Yum operates the licensed brands Taco Bell, KFC, Pizza Hut, and WingStreet worldwide. Prior to 2011, Yum! also owned Long John Silver’s and A&W Restaurants.

    Based in Louisville, Kentucky, it is the world’s largest fast food restaurant company in terms of system units—more than 40,000 restaurants around the world in over 125 countries.[3] In 2013, Yum!’s global sales totaled more than US$13 billion.

    • Try Pod says:

      Yeah, I work about 2 miles from their corporate headquarters. What’s funny is I also live about 3 miles from Papa John’s corporate hq. No need to wonder why Kentucky is one of the most obese states- most of the crap comes from here!

      • Try Pod says:

        Yum is KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, and until recently it also owned A&W and Long John Silvers, plus PepsiCo, if I remember correctly. A lot of bad calories came/come from this place.

  32. D says:

    “D.J. Humphries, OT, Florida:
    Which offensive lineman will leave the Indianapolis with significantly improved draft grades? I’d gamble on D.J. Humphries of Florida. I presently grade Humphries as a 3rd rounder, earlier than most, but the feeling is he could move even higher with a good combine performance. Scouts believe Humphries is one of the most athletic tackles in this years class and holds as much upside as any of the top rated blockers. Playing the year at 280-pounds, he presently tips the scales at just over 300-pounds and is being tutored by former New York Giant offensive lineman William Roberts. Expect not only good testing marks from Humphries but a solid performance in position drills as his ability to effortlessly move about the field and change direction will surely impress. ” – Walterfootball.
    —————————————-
    Obviously a guy i like, but he is a natural LT in a ZBS system. Im hoping this guy is wrong and he stays where he is slotted which on average is probably around 4th round. Given our draft falling the right way we would be pretty smart to take him in the 4th, potential backup to Albert and/or fill in while he is out.

  33. Silly Tim says:

    I think KFC sucks. Their chicken is wet/slimy and makes me feel ill after I eat it.

    Friends and I joke about how you feel the lost souls of genetically mutated chickens in your stomach. LOL

  34. D says:

    Jeremiah Poutasi, OT, Utah:
    Another junior offensive lineman I expect to leave the combine with a buzz is Utah junior Jeremiah Poutasi. The Utes starting left tackle the past two seasons after manning the right side as a freshman, most teams grade Poutasi at guard with some now referring to him as Mike Iupati Jr. I graded Poutasi as an early third round pick and have been told scouts rate him much higher than those on the outside (media).
    ————————————-
    Also have my eye on this guy, remember someone else mentioning him, he falls like Humphries to me, 4th round steal.

  35. stangerx says:

    The Phins are working on a new contract for Pouncey. Mando figure it would be in the range of the five-year for $44 mil that Maurkice got last year, which makes a lot of sense. Presumably If it is done they’ll substantially lower Pouncey’s cap number for next season.

    • Silly Tim says:

      Cue the hysteria and complaining. LOL

      • stangerx says:

        I’d fine with it, especially because five year contracts are really thee year minimum ones these days, and he’s already getting close to the average of that next year anyhow. So it’s really only two more years.

  36. Silly Tim says:

    Try Pod says:
    February 18, 2015 at 11:16 am
    THE Dave Stewart? Annie Lennox/Eurythmics Dave Stewart?

    No but we used to wonder the same thing when we first listened to the record.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Stewart_%28keyboardist%29

    • Try Pod says:

      Very cool. Thanks for the link. I will look into this. Bru is one of my favorites. Some of the KC stuff could be esoteric and often too dissonant for me, so I’ve not been too keen on other projects of his. He made it a point to get further and further away from a “kit” as time went by, so I became less and less interested.

      • Silly Tim says:

        This is very melodic stuff played by excellent musicians. It’s from 1979 so it’s real drums and percussion. 🙂

  37. D says:

    Ali Marpet, G, Hobart:
    After his sensational performance at the Senior Bowl a lot of eyes will be on Ali Marpet in Indianapolis. The Hobart product has been working with former All Pro Bob Whitfield, who’s taken to the small school lineman. I’m told teams are struggling how to grade Marpet and at what position. Most teams have listed him at guard or center, with a few slotting Marpet at the right tackle spot. Almost no one has listed him as a left tackle as arm length is a concern (calling Jeff Backus!). Expect Marpet to put up solid not sensational numbers this week (5-second forty, 30-reps on the bench). I’m told Hobart will try and hold their pro-day on March 26th, the same day Syracuse is hosting NFL teams. The plan is for Marpet to workout early in the morning before scouts make the one hour drive to Syracuse, who has denied Marpet the opportunity to participate in their pro-day.
    ———————————–
    Another i like, similar round ranking with me. Sounds like scouts think he is a tweener, which isnt an awful thing for us since our coaches kinda want that versatility. Not sure though with scouts struggling to find him a box is all good though, because scouts are paid to find a person that fits their team in a specific way. Look at it two ways, 1) they arent sure he fits their need the way they need him to and are ont he fence, or 2 some teams are liking him so much they are tryingto see if they can fit him in the box they need. Either way i still like the guy, and would be happy seeing us land him in the 4th,

  38. D says:

    Sambrillo and Clemmings are dropping like a rock i read as well. I think Senior bowl actually hurt Clemmings, and the slide started there. He got owned in practices. Sambrillo is having the same concerns lashed his way. Dont know how hard they falls but its sounding more and more like this draft is going to be heaviest for OL in rounds 3-5, where most the players are grading out. Weak upper end OL group this year.

  39. Mike E. says:

    Tim – That’s pretty sad.

  40. Al in MIA says:

    Tim,
    Lol @ that pic of Jenner.
    Long gone are the Olympic glory days ….
    The irony is that he may be serving jail time over that accident he was involved with.
    If that’s the case, he’s going to be someones bitch in jail :/

  41. Al in MIA says:

    D,
    I like Marpet alot. I don’t think there is a queston in my mind about what he is -> OG. In the NFL most OG can play C and C play OG. They are interchangeable positions in terms of blocking technique/skill. The only real difference is snap ability of course. I think the OT-OG differences come down to arm length as mentioned somewhere in the scouting report. You will always have your scouts/GM who want specific arm lengths (or min) for that position.

  42. Silly Tim says:

    How come some images I post disappear and become little broken icons?

  43. Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,
    This is considered a weak depth year for OG talent in the draft but i think there are some underrated value guys out there outside of the top 3.

    D,
    Speaking of Syracuse’s Pro Day, I’m keeping an eye on OL Sean Hickey. Projected as an OT at next level but maybe will be inside as OG.

  44. herdfan says:

    I LOL’d at D’s graphic description of the software redesign. Been there.

    It’s funny, at my new gig, they went to a new version of their software about a month before I was hired and all I hear is how everyone hates it, can’t do anything. For me, it’s all I’ve known here and I don’t have any problems. People actually ask me how to do this or that. Cracks me up.

  45. D says:

    stangerx says:
    February 18, 2015 at 11:30 am
    That’s not good for us……and I’ve read the FA Guard class ain’t much either.
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    Actually i think there are 3-5 FA OG’s id be happy with us signing.

    • stangerx says:

      Maybe it is more the depth I was reading about, including how what is available in the draft. And hey — if there are three all we need is one……I’d be willing to pop out the big bucks to fill one spot and roll with what we have at the other.

  46. Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,
    In terms of the FA OG crowd….maybe the Fins get lucky with Daryn Colledge (re-signing him?). Colledge started off ok then dropped off dramatically but reports late last year suggest he was feeling ill effects of migraines/concussions from the Jags game for the rest of the season.

    • D says:

      He’d be ok as depth i think, but i wouldn’t want him back with the intentions of him being our starter. He’s solid, but he had bad games before the concussion as well. We need better at that position.

    • stangerx says:

      For me, he’d be a good guy to have in the mix at one spot. but not someone to count on.

  47. D says:

    Wow this one mockster has us doubling up at CB in the top 4 rounds. I just cant see that. I think we do want to get a CB or S in top 4, possibly one of each but not 2.

  48. stangerx says:

    Interesting stats from QAM.

    Landry led the Phins with 84 receptions, which were good for 758 yards. The 9 yard per catch average ain’t impressive, but you have to factor in that 23 times he caught the ball behind the line of scrimmage.

    PFF rated him the league’s 16th best overall receiver, also noting his strength as a run blocker. Wallace was 53rd and Hartline, 103rd.

  49. Al in MIA says:

    Tim/Trypod,
    I haven’t had Popeyes in a while (or KFC) but between the two franchises, I like the crispy chicken & seasoning better at Popeyes as well. I hear great things about Church’s Chicken but I don’t have any near me (used to growing up in Miami; there are a few in Miami still).
    If I do fast food chicken, I usually will just stop by Chick-Fil-A. In a world of greedy corporate profits, there is something to be said about Chick-Fil-A continuing to close on Sundays to give all their employees the day off (I know it’s in the name of religious practices but it’s nice to see it as a general practice).

  50. Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,
    Landry exceeded all expectations and has all the toughness you want in a receiver.
    He pivots quickly and has nice quick short steps when accelerating and such which gives him the YAC you want out of a WR.
    However, in the discussion of X WR and Mike Wallace, that he will never be.
    He can’t burn top end WR over the top, he just doesn’t have those kind of wheels and that’s why the X receiver is different than other positions which don’t require you to put pressure on the safety over the top.

    • Al in MIA says:

      er, He can’t burn top end CB over the top that is (not WR as I erroneously typed).

    • Al in MIA says:

      And just to be clear, by ‘can’t’ i mean consistently.

    • stangerx says:

      There is no doubt that Wallace got the big bucks cause he demands respect deep in a way that Landry can’t. I want both, and boy would I love to add a TE who demands the same either by speed or size. I like Clay, but he’s not that player…..gets in done in different ways.

  51. Al in MIA says:

    Herd,
    Happens everywhere….People get accustomed to their routines and anytime they have to re-learn any process in their work flow.

  52. D says:

    Al i agree with what ya said, but you also do not have to have a traditional “X” receiver in offenses, and there are several offensive schemes, ours being one, that does not utilize/need one. We would be as good or better with a set of WR that mirrored each +/- in skillset. I do think it would be nice to have a larger target guy or two, just because it makes for a bigger/better target, but still similar skills. Thats primarily why i prefer Parker over White, and both over DBG, when if scored them on typical WR measurables, you probably would have to flip those rankings.

    • stangerx says:

      That was my initial thought on how this O would work. Three jack of all trades that can do it all even if they don’t excel in one area. Part of why I was surprised they went with Wallace.

  53. Silly Tim says:

    Joe Biden, the creepy elitist who means no harm, yet other people get fired for saying shit like this. Also what is he whispering in her ear, your hair smells great, it that the case down below as well?
    http://news.yahoo.com/just-biden-being-biden-vps-odd-moves-pause-225950916–politics.html

    • Al in MIA says:

      SMH.
      Anyway, I lived briefly in the Wilmington area back in 2006. Never noticed a Somali community ANYWHERE so I question the ‘large’ aspect.
      There is a definitely a noticeable african-american community there but no different to the degree you find neighborhoods like that in NJ in places such as Irvington, Patterson, Camden, & Trenton.
      Wilmington has its good and bad parts but it goes from good to bad and vice versa in a quick half mile.

  54. Silly Tim says:

    “I admire Bruce Jenner, I once had a vagina but I lost it in a bizarre gardening accident.”
    – Brian Williams

  55. The Flying Pig says:

    Locking Pouncey in now and lowering the cap numbe rin 2015 would be a great move

    Me likey

    • The Flying Pig says:

      but 44M over 5 years doesn;t sound like much of a lowering of the cap #

      • Silly Tim says:

        I think what happens is fans are getting more opinionated about the cap and somehow want to add or keep good players but not pay them market value.

      • D says:

        It is when you can restructure t in a way that most of it doesn’t happen this year. They also could take advantage of putting some of it off this year but saving some next year when Tanny’s gets renegotiated. Extending him lets us shift the monetary responsibilities around in a more friendly and future friendly way.

      • stangerx says:

        IT would in the first year at least. You give him his signing bonus on resign and then pay hi the NFL minimum. He’d pocket say $10-12 mil and his cap hit would be that divided by the years in the contract plus something under a mil. Might bring his $7-something down to say three.

    • Silly Tim says:

      Really, the thug, punk with no leadership and overrated? 😉

    • D says:

      Thats what i was saying in my cap breakdown, months back. We really gotta get that done, and IMO we need to ask Wake to renegotiate too, and maybe Misi.

  56. Try Pod says:

    Tim,
    Went to Popeye’s for lunch!
    Al,
    Went to Church’s in Perrine when I lived in Miami. It was good, from Edgar I remember. Also like Bojangles. My girls like Chik,fil-a. I used to really like their chicken sandwiches, but when a sandwich with 4 ounces of chicken costs $5+, I’ll do without. I do like that they close on Sunday, too. Religion not withstanding, I like the idea they are promoting family. I remember when stores were closed on Sunday. I think it was good.

  57. The Flying Pig says:

    Pouncey’s cap number now is around 7.5

    It’s sounds to me like it will be about the same
    Maybe a little less

    It’s not like we are opening up a lot of cap room no matter how they structure it

    I guess we will see the details eventually

    Regardless
    I’m glad that they lock him up long term and I look forward to his next series of “your sister squirts” jokes…lol

    🙂

  58. Silly Tim says:

    Okay, getting hungry. Haven’t had one of these in awhile and I think I will today.

  59. getterdone says:

    Hey, just catching up here….
    OD, congrats for pushing the Phins to a 2nd straight 72 road win. Great stuff.
    Mike E, enjoy the SW upgrade from Atari to Xbox.
    Son, great analogies on how today’s players spend their time ‘not’ training.
    Try, good post concert review on Fleetwood Mac.
    Al, nice complaint, next time try being a lil more patient.
    Stanger, good stuff on #14, Go Landry!
    D, nice scouting reports as usghe.
    Tim, I see you’re still keeping us up with the daily debauchery on Jenner & Biden.

  60. Al in MIA says:

    Trypod,

    Bojangles! Haven’t had that in forever but I remember the spicy chicken was spicy!
    I would like to revisit a location sometime (non around me anymore) 🙂

    As for the Edgar comment….
    Made it sound like Edgar was some cook providing you his special sauce LOL

  61. getterdone says:

    Pouncey isn’t worth 5 yr $44M….and remember he wants us to sign his buddy Mike Lupati too.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I want to sign Mike Iupati as well!

      • getterdone says:

        Franklin & Lupati are gonna get big money offers….I still maintain I like the fallback option of LG Clint Boling.

    • stangerx says:

      They at least thought he was worth $7.5 this year. And my guess is that Pouncey who will grab the biggest signing check he can get and a big total brag number in exchange for some serious backloading.

  62. getterdone says:

    Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
    #Bills coach Rex Ryan: Some people will never forgive Richie Incognito

  63. The Flying Pig says:

    The cap savings for cutting Finnegan is over 5M
    for elleberee is over 5M too
    and Gibson is over 3M

    I would start with those 3
    its about 14M in savings

    I might cut Misi too (2.7M)

    then I would think about renogiating with Hartline and wake

    I think there is 15M – 20M in davings for us without losing much production

  64. getterdone says:

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 15s15 seconds ago
    Rex on Pats winning the Super Bowl: “It was terrible. Next question.”

  65. The Flying Pig says:

    GDP

    He will probably get the same kind of money Pouncey will make
    IMO he deserves to be one of tyhe highest paid OG in the game

    I would rather spend big $ on a stud
    then overpaying guys that are simply upgrades
    I’m sure we can get 2 UFA witht he same $

    But what if those UFA end up being Wheeler and ellerbee
    I would rather pay one LB 10M than those two guys 5M a piece
    same concept
    if you are going to overpay, at least overpay for quality

  66. getterdone says:

    Pig,
    Make Ellerbe and Hartline the two pre-June 1 cuts allowed, clears $14.4M in cap.
    Cut Finnegan, Gibson, Garner, which clears another $10.4M.
    After June 1 cut Wheeler, that clears another $3M.
    This gives us abbot $29.5M

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don;t know if I am okay cutting Hartline right now

      the WR group might be in transition and we might need him

      If you cut Hartline and Gibson
      that means you are stuck with wallace doesn’t

      we might have to keep Hartline while we dangle Wallace as trade bait

      • The Flying Pig says:

        other than that I agree

        None of those guys are giving us a ton of production

      • getterdone says:

        I think we’re stuck with Wallace for 2015, then dump him…right now he’s in the cheapest year of salary that we’ve had him.
        Let’s squeeze another 10 TD’s out of him while drafting his eventual replacements.

        I’d also keep Misi 1 more year.

  67. Al in MIA says:

    Regarding Mike Pouncey’s potential new deal….

    Maurkice Pouncey deal was negotiated around what Alex Mack got with the Browns.
    Both have similar guaranteed money in their deals (~26 mill in guaranteed money).

    5 year 42-44 mill is what Maurkice & Alex Mack have on paper (top 2 paid Centers in the NFL).

    Mack didn’t structure his deal with a signing bonus but he got $10 mill in his first year as base salary; $8 mill base paid in YR 2; $8 mill in YR 3 ($26 mill guaranteed out of the $42 mill deal; $16 mill not guaranteed).

    Maurkice got a $13 mill signing bonus then YR 1 base salary = $1 mill; YR 2 = $1.75; YR 3 = $3.5 mill and two roster bonuses -> YR 2 = 3.75; YR 3 = 3.75 ($26.5 mill guaranteed out of the $44 mill deal; ~$17.5 mill not guaranteed).

    As I’ve said before, total numbers mean dick since a sizeable amount of total money is usually not guaranteed. The length of contract is usually just a means to split up the bonus money as much as possible.

    Most teams opt to backload contracts meaning they will defer the guaranteed portion of base salary away from the first year and push it out to Years 2 and 3 disproportionately.

    This is always to allow room in the current year and they can continue to play that game with other FA the following year and rolling out expenses into the future to address current cap needs.

  68. getterdone says:

    Pig,
    By restructuring Pouncey’s and Fields’ the right way, we could free up an additional $4-5M.

    • getterdone says:

      All total could put us close to $35M under the Cap before we even know what the new Cap number will be when they increase it.
      So the Phins could be players in FA to help get this team to the playoffs.

      • stangerx says:

        Other side of that are Odrick and Clay though, but then they can be restructured first year cap cheap too. Don’t want to push too much off though. Our years of a cheap Tanny will come to an end and we have to be prepared.

  69. Silly Tim says:

    The one thing about Wendy’s is that their food quality is pretty good and I don’t feel like shit after eating it. The bacon is real by the way, and it’s spectacular. 🙂

  70. Al in MIA says:

    Piggy,
    The other factor in the cap situation is that the NFL has not yet announced the 2015 cap figure (based on 2014 year league revenue which includes the SB).
    The NFLPA says it was going to give their own projection on Feb 17 (yesterday) based on a public statement made on Jan 29.
    That didn’t happen yet (NFLPA announcement on their cap projection).
    They don’t agree on the NFL’s initial projection of 138-142 mill and neither do I.
    Back in November, there was a report the new cap might be between 155-160 mill for 2015.
    I’m guessing it will be north of 148 and am thinking it will be 150 at least which will give the Fins more room to operate even after shedding what is owed on current deals to Ellerbe, Starkes, Finnegan, etc.

    • Al in MIA says:

      This is the first year the NFLPA will announce their own projection.
      They are upset that the NFL has continuously low balled the number ahead of the new fiscal year so that owners can have an advantage on renegotiating or negotiating new contracts ahead of that time.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Starks?
      You throwing him in the cut group

  71. getterdone says:

    Amen!

    Judge Napolitano
    @Judgenap

    Obama’s Amnesty Plan is “Absolutely Dead”…

  72. Mike E. says:

    OD – Thanks again for this great story! Love reading these, because you really do a great job of taking us right back to that time.

  73. Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,
    Clay will be worth his value if not more….
    Odrick, eh, kinda limited …hasn’t proven his worth as a 4-3 DT/DE but has value as a 3-4 DE.

    • Al in MIA says:

      Only thing that may limit Clay’s overall worth is his medical history but teams take chances on things like that all the time.

      • stangerx says:

        Clay will be good value for the money. I want either Odrick or Starks back, but I’m with you that probably means Starks (even if hopefully for less money).

  74. Al in MIA says:

    GDP,
    Lol, is that an invitation for Richie in Buffalo? :P.
    Rex Ryan always provides good drama

  75. D says:

    getterdone says:
    February 18, 2015 at 1:12 pm
    Franklin & Lupati are gonna get big money offers….I still maintain I like the fallback option of LG Clint Boling.
    —————————————-
    I like the idea of a young guy with upside that is going to give better at the position. Overpaying is not my thing but i do think ya have to think about it. One of the biggest and most important places is the inside of your OL, especially in this day of beastmode DL’s. Currently, the market though hast caught up for those guys, top paid OG’s get 6-6.5 mil. So if you take the top FA guy and pay him like one of the top guys, its a 6-7mil a year contract max. Lock him in now to a 5 year deal, and when the market catches up (promise you its going to) you have your guys locked down already. Right now is the time to strike at OG. If you think Boling is going to give that i say lock the dude down, he is young will grow with the team, its probably a nice match. I just dont know if i am as certain about him as i would be someone like Iupati. I do think id hold him in higher regard than Franklin, who i also dont think is going to get top top dollar.

  76. Silly Tim says:

    This was the point I was making earlier. Fans want to sign and keep players but don’t want to pay the market value. How does anyone here know what is over-paying?

    • D says:

      To me i look at it as if i was going to make an offer to someone to come work for my company. What i offer him is going to be based off how good they are, specifically in regards to tasks strongly related to out position, and what the market looks like for other who may also fill my needs. If that person is a gem in a pile of terds, and my competition is high, im probably going to make the maximum offer within the limits im given for hiring someone. If my best isn’t as good or better than someones, so be it, and if my best is above what any other offered, so be it. There was no over pay there. Only condition that i think would be an overpay, would be if, with no limits set, i offered something in extreme excess of what the market justifies and hinder myself making offers to fill other positions of need. By that i mean that if applicant 2 is only slightly off applicant 1, but i can retain him for less (be it lesser work experience, or whatever), and he still presents the potential to reach the same levels, i probably go with that guy and save some money for the other positions. Its balancing act, and truthfully, only one that really knows the “overpaid” answer are the people who manage the finances of the organization. If they think the offer works, its not overpaying.

  77. getterdone says:

    D, good point above…
    The Raiders plan to let free agent C Stefen Wisniewski test the open market.
    Wisniewski isn’t expected to be re-signed after the Raiders failed to get an extension done during the season. He’s been a full-time starter since entering the league in 2011 — missing only three games over the last four seasons. 25-year-old Wisniewski should draw interest from multiple teams. He’s seeking a contract in the range of $3 million annually.

  78. finfanrob says:

    Silly Tim says:
    February 18, 2015 at 1:32 pm

    The one thing about Wendy’s is that their…

    every time i see their commercial with that smug looking troll i want to behead her.

    i think that is what you meant to say

  79. finfanrob says:

    dont you have to wear pants to drop them?

  80. Silly Tim says:

    dbolt48 says:
    February 18, 2015 at 2:14 pm
    Then he goes muff diving in Mimi from the Drew Carey show.

  81. dbolt48 says:

    I can only picture Tim laughing maniacally at his computer searching for imagery 😂

  82. finfanrob says:

    lol @ tim

    used to work with this chick who was just like that. even dressed the part and the make up and all. well dressed it in super tight short skirts and what not. it was disgusting. then just to prove men are pigs, a fellow cpa who worked for me, went and had sex with her after a party.

  83. D says:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13993/james-carpenter Our offense wouldnt necessarily be exact same system but it would be very similar.

  84. Silly Tim says:

    ffr, did your co-worker say what it was like?

  85. getterdone says:

    Adam SchefterVerified account
    ‏@AdamSchefter
    Cleveland Browns expected to unveil new logo next week……

  86. D says:

    dbolt48 says:
    February 18, 2015 at 2:41 pm
    Probably like noodling with your junk
    ————————————————–
    bite or no bite?

  87. D says:

    I read something recently on NFL.com that the Browns are likely to make a play on Randall Cobb.

  88. D says:

    Larry Fitzgerald, Cards agree to deal – ESPN

    One path for Wallace trade has closed.

    • stangerx says:

      If anything, nice that we haven’t heard anything on that front. Don’t think they could shop him without a report coming out.

  89. D says:

    Kinda ticked. ST’s OT’s TE’s all shoulda arrived yesterday at Indy and started pre-medical screening and initial interviews, and today shoulda been full on with that, yet no news yet. Bastards!

  90. finfanrob says:

    Silly Tim says:
    February 18, 2015 at 2:40 pm

    ffr, did your co-worker say what it was like?

    LOL all he said was she had subtle breast.

  91. Silly Tim says:

    LOL @ Son, I was really more focused on the singular breast. It would have been even funnier if he said she had nice vaginas. LOL

  92. finfanrob says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    February 18, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    I think subtle is redneck for supple. What is subtle? It quietly peaked out to see what he was up to?

    nope he said subtle. i even asked him if he meant supple and he said nope subtle, that is why we laughed about it so much

    sub·tle
    adjective
    (especially of a change or distinction) so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyze or describe.

  93. stangerx says:

    This deserves a cartoon caption……one team I’m not worried about next year.

    • D says:

      Caption should read: “Hey man, ya gots some of dat good sheet”, “Yeah dawg, just keep your head down and ill pass it to ya on the sly”

      • stangerx says:

        LOL — followed by “shiote we’re playing the Pats…….the evil genius might have a lip reader on us.”

    • D says:

      or how about, “fuck man you told me your piss would be clean…now im out for next year….fuuuug”

  94. finfanrob says:

    and jesus, he was banging mimi, doest it really matter how many boobs she had.

  95. The Flying Pig says:

    • D says:

      I usually like Miller but i dont see the same guy he sees then, because DGB doesnt look anything like Benjamin to me other than size.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      You know what system you run with a mofo like that – it’s called the “chuck it up and score” system.
      Quit outsmarting yourselves, get the best athletes and put them out there

  96. son of a son of a shula says:

    “nope he said subtle”

    That’s a new one on me, but if he was the one to go there then I guess he can call it whatever he wants.

  97. Silly Tim says:

    So when he was done banging Mimi, when he got home he realized his penis looked like a clown.

  98. D says:

    finfanrob says:
    February 18, 2015 at 4:10 pm
    and jesus, he was banging mimi, doest it really matter how many boobs she had.
    —————————————-
    At first i thought i read you say Jesus was banging Mimi….. lol, big time difference in statement there.

  99. son of a son of a shula says:

    Sean Mannion

    • D says:

      I use to be a fan, but not so much anymore. I guess could be because im wanting us to take a QB for backup and he is too reckless a passer for that.

  100. D says:

    Im waiting for the first football team to decide their uni colors should be transparent on transparent. I bet they win by opposing team forfeit and go undefeated.

  101. Silly Tim says:

    I was doing a search for something else and came across this. This is fuckin funny. LOL

  102. son of a son of a shula says:

    D, Mannion has really good size and throws the ball well. He’d be a guy worth developing. I’d be nervous with him as our 2 but if he can learn a system quickly he may be a nice player.

    • D says:

      Yeah i guess what im saying is i think he is more “gunslinger” starter material than a backup who you expect to make solid decisions, and you aren’t overly concerned with them being big play or superstar caliber. If i were thinking of potentially replacing Tanny, even in 3 years or so, which is how i did previously, i would still be more gung-ho for him. Now i just want a dude that will come in and not embarrass us in a pinch lol. Carden is more that kind of guy so now i kinda prefer him. Bridge also has kinda fallen off my list,due to same deal. Bridge probably has best arm in the draft but id be scared to roll with him as our 2, and i think the team is sold on tanny for a long time.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        No doubt Tannehill is here for a while the question is do we develop someone who may become a commodity or do we keep an old grizzled vet in place to feel perhaps more secure. I wouldn’t have a rookie as my 2 but after a year or two he might be.

  103. son of a son of a shula says:

    D, go ahead and eat the dick soup, I’m gonna have a subtle breast sandwich.

  104. The Flying Pig says:

    Herd

    Is this what you had in mind when you mentioned creating a recipe page

  105. getterdone says:

    Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora · 2m2 minutes ago
    Sam Bradford has permission to seek a trade. Finding compensation to Rams’ liking will be difficult. But his agent can speak to other teams.
    ___________________________
    Matt Moore’s ears just perked up.

  106. getterdone says:

    Minnesota TE Maxx Williams measured 6-foot-5, 249 at the NFL Combine.
    Perhaps most impressively, Williams has huge 10 3/8-inch hands, bigger than many NFL left tackles. His arm length of 33 1/2″ will create for a wide catching radius.

  107. Rockphin says:

    D says:
    February 18, 2015 at 4:17 pm
    finfanrob says:
    February 18, 2015 at 4:10 pm
    and jesus, he was banging mimi, doest it really matter how many boobs she had.
    —————————————-
    At first i thought i read you say Jesus was banging Mimi….. lol, big time difference in statement there.
    *
    Punctuation is very important for meaning. Example;
    Let’s eat, grandma.
    Let’s eat grandma.

  108. getterdone says:

    Miami Dolphins ✔ @MiamiDolphins
    GM Dennis Hickey on @ryantannehill1: We’re excited about his future as our quarterback.

  109. Rockphin says:

    I am fucking stuck here in Buckhead! GA. I had three days of meetings set up but they went fast and only took two days. Now I can’t get a flight out before tomorrow anyway. :-/

  110. getterdone says:

    Dbolt, I like the ceiling on Maxx Williams, but @ #14, i’m afraid he’d barely see the field much in his first season, kinda like Jordan is what I fear. But Maxx ‘should’ be a good TE down the road.

  111. Rockphin says:

    There is a “Tattletale’s” lounge about a mile from my hotel. I only know it from the motley crew song girls girls girls, but if it made their song it can’t be bad right?????? (Someone talk me out of it please!)

  112. Rockphin says:

    Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life sone…
    Poor drunk and horny is no way to go back to your hotel son…

  113. D says:

    Big fatties do BP tomorrow…. guess we will see who the workout warrior is this year. Bodine kid from last year pumped up his draft stock and wound up a starter off of his.

  114. getterdone says:

    Texas DT Malcom Brown “to me is a first-round guy all day long,” said NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock.
    “Love his size,” Mayock said. “He’s 6-2, 320. He’s stout versus the run. He can push the edge, push the pocket. I think he’ll go somewhere in the 20s, between 20 and 32. … He’s a low-risk investment and a really good football player.” Brown enjoyed a breakout campaign in 2014, leading the Longhorns with 15 tackles for loss, six sacks and eight quarterback hits. ESPN’s Todd McShay has projected Brown as a top-50 pick. We agree.

  115. getterdone says:

    If Sharia law had equal rights for women.

  116. stangerx says:

    Rock — I was at Tattletale’s once in my early twenties. Place blew my mind……never knew strip clubs could be like that, but then the places in CT were real dives. Only bring as much cash as you are willing to spend if you go……and I went back to the hotel for seconds.

  117. D says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    February 18, 2015 at 5:15 pm
    I thought the combine starts this Friday
    ——————————————
    Starts different times for different groups.
    http://www.nflcombine.net/players/schedule/

    • D says:

      OL got there on tuesday, did medical and interviews yesterday and today, and will start their workouts tomorrow. They finish on Friday. Some are just starting the process on Friday.

  118. D says:

    stangerx says:
    February 18, 2015 at 5:31 pm
    Rock — I was at Tattletale’s once in my early twenties. Place blew my mind……never knew strip clubs could be like that, but then the places in CT were real dives. Only bring as much cash as you are willing to spend if you go……and I went back to the hotel for seconds.
    ————————————-
    Want a real strip club experience….Houston. In some places in Texas, Houston being one of them, the “dancers” are independent contractors with the club. They dont actually work for the club, they pay a fee to dance there and its all profits after that. When i say they set their own rule…i mean they choose how close to none they are willing to go. No hands on the dancer, not in Houston, they make you touch them. Want to get really really disgustingly pornographic in public…again…their rules and they like money more than pride.

    • stangerx says:

      Did you feel up Anna Nicole Smith? 🙂

      • D says:

        No man but i was pretty embarrassed with myself the next day lol. Stripper got into it and so did i, we got carried away until pretty soon even in the “private booth” area, we dancers and their clients who stopped to watch. I am pretty uneasy with those places but my i was pretty lit, unfortunately for me that doesn’t come with black outs. I got to remember everything the next morning lol. Columbian woman….unbelievably hot. neither of us knew how many songs passed by so we just both agreed on an number and i paid the lady. lol.

      • stangerx says:

        LOL D — at least one of you got into it and the other one got into your wallet, but she wouldn’t have chosen you to put on the show for others with if you were creepy…..if that helps.

  119. Rockphin says:

    LOL @ X
    I asked to be talked out of it.

  120. getterdone says:

    Damn it Mel, why’d you have to go and curse this guy…SMH

    ESPN’s Mel Kiper thinks Miami ILB Denzel Perryman would be a first-rounder if the draft were tomorrow.
    Perryman ranks as Kiper’s No. 1 middle linebacker. “The more I’ve watched the tape of Perryman from the 2014 season, the more I like him,” Kiper wrote. “He just does so many things well in terms of attacking the line of scrimmage and taking on blocks. Coverage is a question, but I think he lands in Round 1 if the draft is tomorrow. He can help a team now.” NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah projects him as the No. 30 pick to the Packers. “Scouts love Perryman’s physical, angry playing style — he’s a burly, stout, old-school linebacker who wants to hit the ball carrier,” NFL.com colleague Lance Zierlein recently wrote.

    • D says:

      There are a couple ILB needy teams this year, and possibly some that will be once they trim their roster for cap space. Luckily fr us, the ones in front of us have more pressing needs. Its the ones right after us that make me wonder if we skip ILB with our first pick, if we will have much left to choose from by second one.

      • getterdone says:

        There seems to be a few good ones, none really a day 1 starter unless what you already have is that horrible…which might be us.
        I like Perryman, Kendricks, McKinney, Dawson, Wilson, Johnson….

  121. Mike E. says:

    Just finished my article on the big boys, the O-line.

    Look for it on Friday!

  122. getterdone says:

    FFR & OD should know a thing or two about wild strip clubs in Tampa….the infamous Mons Venus is one, then 2001 Odyssey across the street, or even Hush.

    • D says:

      Lol i read one scouting report that says if Jameis is drafted by Tampa, he will spend so much time and money at Mons Venus they will either erect a statue in his honor or change the name to Mons Winston.

  123. Rockphin says:

    Bbl……maybe

  124. D says:

    Trenton Brown dropped some weight for combine man. He is 6’8 and at Senior Bowl weighted 373, he’s down to 355 now.

  125. D says:

    Man whats up witht he huge hand sizes of the TE class this year. You guys were talking about Maxx Williams with 10 3/8, but several of those guys were 10 3/4.

  126. D says:

    Jean Sifrin UMass 6-5 245 33 3/8 wingspan 11 hands. Damn.

  127. getterdone says:

    TE Nick Boyle
    6’4″
    HEIGHT
    33 3/8″
    ARM LENGTH
    268LBS.
    WEIGHT
    10 3/8″
    HANDS

  128. D says:

    Clive Walford Miami 6-4 251 34 10 1/4

  129. D says:

    Rory Anderson South Carolina 6-5 244 32 1/4 8 3/4

    Smallest hands of the bunch.

  130. D says:

    Trent Brown Florida 6-8 355 36
    Arm length of all the OL/TE’s

  131. getterdone says:

    Herd, that was funny…how are ya?
    Did you see my Sharia law with equal rights for women cartoon post above?

  132. The Flying Pig says:

    Perryman really isn;t that bad in coverage

    He hits on every play

    I don;t want to take him at 14
    but I wouldn;t mind him int he first
    I’m hoping he is there for us inthe 2nd round
    Same thing with Kendricks

    Seems like the McKinney hype has really cooled down

    A trade down would be nice

  133. getterdone says:

    Arthur Lynch last year @ combine 6’5″, 258, 32 1/2″ arms, 10 1/8″ hands, 28 reps @ 225.

  134. getterdone says:

    Ken & Piggy are a PETTY-FOGGER;
    From the the 16th to 19th centuries, people would have called lawyers like Breaking Bad’s Saul Goodman petty-foggers. “For a fee, these attorneys were willing to quibble over insignificant legal points … or use unethical practices in order to win a case,” Kacirk writes.

  135. getterdone says:

    I’m a FRIBBLER;
    Though this term comes from the 18th century, chances are you know a fribbler. He says he’s really into a lady, but just won’t commit. The behavior of a fribbler was called fribbledom, by the way.

  136. getterdone says:

    Dbolt, ok we take Maxx @ #14, the we take DGB @ #47 then defense & OL the rest of the way.
    Give Tanny his $100M contract & we are set for the nest 5+ years! 😉

    • Silly Tim says:

      TE and WR doesn’t improve play in the trenches which is much more of an issue for us. I would not be happy with those two picks.

      What do they say you have to have? A QB and good line play on both sides of the ball. We collapsed down the stretch this past season because of line play on both sides of the ball.

      • getterdone says:

        Tuna, calm down…I mentioned OL & defense the rest of the way, includes in FA too. 😉
        Can’t believe you wouldn’t be happy with those picks in 1-2nd…it could make this offense unstoppable.

      • Mike E. says:

        Ah, and Tim, that’s why you need to read Friday’s article!

    • dbolt48 says:

      I could do that. Wrap up OG in FA and pick another up in the draft

  137. getterdone says:

    Jarvis Landry combine last year 5’11”, 205, 31 3/4″ arms, 10 1/4″ hands, but only 28.5″ vert & 12 reps on bench, he needs to get those two up this offseason!

  138. dbolt48 says:

    Wouldn’t be shocked if this kid is in a Fins Uniform after the draft. Even if he’s not Im pulling for him. He has that Landry persona.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dt9Kx4pUEOE

  139. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Piggy

  140. getterdone says:

    Dbolt, good to hear, I knew Landry had the work ethic going back to his LSU days, so no surprise, in fact it’s expected to see him working hard in Arizona, wish he took Wallace Da Kid with him!!!

  141. Silly Tim says:

    GD, you made trench play a secondary option as if 3rd rd picks and on will solidify those areas. I would re-sign Clay and not target a TE at all. I don’t mind one WR early who can add a new dimension but I don’t want a guy with red flags early in the draft. DGB not only has off the field issues but he’s also extremely raw in fundamentals.

    • getterdone says:

      I mentioned FA also for OL, and of course DT, plus I was responding to Dbolt about liking Maxx Williams, who talked about getting him in the 1st knowing he wont last, so then I thought, well, most of the big WR’s could be gone by our pick in the 2nd round, except for possibly DGB due to what you think are his red flags.
      No big deal bro, we’ll never see a draft go like us fans want anyways….well, maybe for you, OL in 1st, DT 2nd, OL 3rd, DT/DE 4th, Varga 5th 😉

  142. getterdone says:

    Terrence MaGee…lots of great runs, but @ :58 sec mark – 1:15, he had the one run up the middle just bowled over defenders for the lil power guy.

  143. getterdone says:

    Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
    Hickey admits #Dolphins need to get better in red zone but doesn’t say if that means getting a bigger WR or TE

  144. Silly Tim says:

    GD, it’s not a big deal at all, just sharing opinions. I don’t think TE and WR 1 and 2 is the way to go. Like I said, I have no problem with a big playmaking WR, but I’m not feeling it at TE.

    I was responding to your one specific post, not your overall discussion so that’s my bad. I agree on FA for an anchor DT (someone nice and not too expensive, lol) and similar for a starting guard. We have some young guys we’re already developing on the OL. If we go draft for a starting caliber OL it’s likely going to have to be early and the same at DT.

    Also people talk about how Clay isn’t really and in-line TE and that’s true, but most of the top receiving TEs in the league do their damage lining up in multiple ways, not in-line.

    • dbolt48 says:

      I look at it like this, Williams is a better pure TE, but big picture if we brought Clay back our 2TE sets that would also use Clay out of the -Back spot become really deadly.

      • Silly Tim says:

        Agreed but Williams hasn’t done a thing in the NFL yet. Clay has been productive per touch since he’s been here.

        Look at Eric Ebron (#10) as a rookie – 25-248 9.9 1 TD. Clay’s rookie year (6th rd) – 16-233 14.6 3 TD.

        They look good on paper but none of these guys know how to play TE coming into the league. We have a guy who’s a proven playmaker and has developed for 4 years but we want to start again? Not me, if we don’t re-sign Clay I will be very annoyed.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Your on edge because you bought that Clay jersey, aren’t you?😆

  145. Silly Tim says:

    I looked at the top 20 paid TEs in the league and averaged them out and it’s about $5.5M per year. So keep that in mind with Clay.

    • getterdone says:

      I like Clay, and would resign him & if the GM still drafted a TE early after that incase Clay gets hurt again or he see’s no further development in Sins, then I wouldn’t be mad. Draftees come cheap on their rookie contracts.
      But Ideally we need to address the pending issues @ WR….so get me a White, Perriman, Parker of DGB & maybe another one later depending on what happens with the WR’s already on our roster.

  146. getterdone says:

    I tell ya, this is the year to have those 5 picks in the first 3 rounds & over $40M in Cap space that Jeffro had in 2013….imagine the field day Hickey could have fixing this team. I’ve bet he’s joked about that in passing with Aponte & his scouting staff….SMH

  147. olddolphan says:

    GDP: WHAT JEFFRO did to this franchise is no laughing matter. IF Belicheat had deliberately stuck us with a GM to fuck-up the Fins, he could not have done much more damage than Ireland did. The fact that a tiny number of so-called “Fin Fans” actually LIKED Ireland continues to amaze me.

    • getterdone says:

      Not a joking matter, I meant Hickey probably had a sarcastic chuckle wishing he had such a bounty…you know this will be his toughest test in a Cap strung year, no extra picks, issues everywhere, and an owner saying Playoffs or Bust!

  148. getterdone says:

    Tim, no way Hickey lets Clay walk unless his price got way too high, if so, he’d then sign Julius Thomas for that same high amount, either way, I( agree, Hickey doesn’t seem stupid enough to leave us hangin with green TE’s in a must make the playoffs year…IMO….same reason why Wallace will be back as will either Odrick, Starks or both.

    • Silly Tim says:

      The problem is we can’t re-sign everyone looking for max dollars but not matching the money to production. Clay was banged up this year, it happens to a lot of players. Even still he was our 3rd best receiver and 2nd in plays of 20+ only behind Wallace. Clay makes plays. You don’t let those guys walk.

      Anyone have a feeling Odrick wants to test the waters elsewhere anyway?

  149. olddolphan says:

    MIKE E: Thanks for the kind words, sir, earlier in the day. ALSO: I sympathize with you regarding the “new and improved” computerized programs you’ve been forced to suffer through. Kinda reminds me that in 1991 our systems manager in Cowlumbus, Ohio, said the spell checker caught a mistake I made spelling a numismatic term. –I replied, “Charley, I’m right and your doofus geek who WROTE THE SPELL CHECKER IS WRONG!! –He replied, How can you say that without knowing which word I’m talking about?” -My answer was “Charley, I was hired because of my numismatic expertise. Your geek WAS NOT! i’LL BET YOU $20 my spelling IS CORRECT. Are we on?” –Charley wisely declined the wager.

  150. Silly Tim says:

    OD, liking Ireland and not hating him as a person or thinking he’s clueless are different things. He made mistakes but also found some good players. His record spoke for itself (46-50), it was time to move on.

  151. getterdone says:

    Amen!
    Miami Dolphins ‏@MiamiDolphins · 6h6 hours ago
    45 years ago today, @DonShula became our head coach.

    • olddolphan says:

      IN HIS FIRST SEASON, Shula turned a 3-11-1 team into a 10-4 playoff team!! – – In his second season Shula took the Fins to the Super Bowl. ANY QUESTIONS??

    • olddolphan says:

      NO, GDP, I CAN’T. –IN 1970 I was busting my brain in graduate school while working Monday through Friday at Publix. –On Sundays, I worked for a coin dealer. About half way through a Master’s, I, along with most of the MEN in graduate school (over a period of years) got drafted into Dick Nixon’s Army. –It wasn’t until 1972 that I had enough time to fanatically watch the Fins.

  152. Silly Tim says:

    LOL @ Dbolt on Clay jersey. My wife bought it for me for last Christmas. She bought me a Ronnie Brown jersey the year before he was released. So yes that’s annoying but that money is long gone. It’s more about Clay the player. He’s a pain in the ass for teams to cover in our 3 WR, 1 TE/H-back, 1 RB base offense.

    For me me, give me Wallace, Landry and a rookie like White, Clay and Miller with an improved OL, and we’ll score all day.

  153. Mike E. says:

    LOL OD – I dread going into work tomorrow, and dealing with this program. the idea is to be quicker, and more efficient, but this program slows you down, no matter how efficient you may be at it. The best way for me to sum it’s shortcomings, and this really is exactly what you have to do BTW . . . . Say you sold cars for a living, and you wanted to give the guy a discount. You would be forced in this program to discount each part of the car separately, line by line, for example a $1500 discount would have to be $300 engine, $300 seats, $300 Wheels and Tires, $300 sunroof, and $300 navigation, and you have to enter each one separately, save, and go to the next one, rather than taking $1500 off the whole car. IT SUCKS!!! I hate it!

  154. olddolphan says:

    GOOD NEWS FROM FAU STADIUM. The FAU Owls lead the Miami Hurricanes 3-0 in this match-up of undefeated college baseball teams in the 6th inning. U-M is ranked 8th in the country by BASEBALL AMERICA. –I’M guessing a win over Miami will put FAU in the Top 25 of next week’s poll.

  155. Silly Tim says:

    So let me ask all of you who blame Ireland for this team’s status. Why do you expect this team to be better then it is and lay the blame on the coaches? Ireland was horrible with personnel but Philbin and his staff should win? There is a major contradiction that goes on here and I’m just wondering how you add it all up?

    • Mike E. says:

      I think they’re both a little less than average to average at what they do. I can’t say for sure that Dion Jordan would be doing better elsewhere, but I truly think he would. I also think a better coach would do more with the talent we have here. I think if Jim Harbaugh came here with this roster, we would have been in the playoffs.

      • Silly Tim says:

        That wasn’t really an answer to the question though. Those are more frustrations coming out.

        If Ireland destroyed this team, why should we be good one year removed? That’s the question, nothing more.

  156. finfanrob says:

    Mike E. says:
    February 18, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    LOL OD – I dread going into work tomorrow, and dealing with this program. the idea is to be quicker, and more efficient, but this program slows you down, no matter how efficient you may be at it.

    sooooooooo bbbaaasssically you are saying that in order for the program to reach its ultimate goal you have to slow down and be more efficient taking your time to do things right…….mike is this program by any chance call ‘the female orgasm’

  157. getterdone says:

    OD,
    Understandable on why you’re not able to do a series on the 71 Phins, and kudos on the great background you have my friend….and please stop shouting, I can hear ya fine. 😉

  158. dbolt48 says:

    Silly Tim says:
    February 18, 2015 at 8:26 pm
    LOL @ Dbolt on Clay jersey. My wife bought it for me for last Christmas. She bought me a Ronnie Brown jersey the year before he was released. So yes that’s annoying but that money is long gone. It’s more about Clay the player. He’s a pain in the ass for teams to cover in our 3 WR, 1 TE/H-back, 1 RB base offense.

    For me me, give me Wallace, Landry and a rookie like White, Clay and Miller with an improved OL, and we’ll score all day.
    *
    Tim,
    Clay is on my to keep list also. He’s a hard worker & great teammate. Puts in the off season work with Ryan and it shows on the field.

  159. getterdone says:

    major contradiction? Tim, go back to coddling your Clay jersey. lol 🙂

  160. finfanrob says:

    tim

    while you are it get them to explain why after one season hickey is some genius at the draft yet this team is still 8-8

  161. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ FFR – I’m a little worried I won’t be able to satisfy her. I’m actually a little worried I might pick up the computer and throw it through the big windows we have in that store.

  162. finfanrob says:

    mike

    all new software sucks. and i will say 80% of the end users always hate it. but it aint going anywhere so might as trypod would say…….suck it up

  163. finfanrob says:

    http://img.s-msn.com/tenant/amp/entityid/BBhIoNb.img?h=671&w=1123&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

    A partially frozen American Falls in sub-freezing temperatures is seen in Niagara Falls, Ontario

    a little cold up there boys

  164. Mike E. says:

    FFR

    Conform??? Oh hell no! I will fight what’s wrong until they fix it. If you let them put you in a bad position, shame on you. I already told them the other day, I was ready to scream. I’m not a conformist, and I think they need to work with the software company to better tailor the program to the way OUR office works. Right now, it’s just way too slow to work properly when it’s busy. When people start walking out because they can’t wait, that’s when they’ll really feel it.

  165. finfanrob says:

    mike

    your problem started when they let a woman choose the software., lol.

  166. finfanrob says:

    and i didnt say conform, i said suck it up. i am assuming they spent some money on it, so not like it is going any where. if you can get changes made good for you, but not like it is going anywhere.

  167. Mike E. says:

    suck it up = conform, at least the way I see it. It’s accepting the crap they throw at you, and I say, if they throw crap at you, throw it, harder and more accurately!

  168. Silly Tim says:

    ffr, I felt we were a 8-8 to 10-6 team all along because I had my concerns. The 10-6 was about if we made the big plays in two more games. We failed.

    I think Ireland did leave us with a middle of the road base roster with some strengths, but screwed up WR in 2012 and OL and LB in 2013. That made Hickey have to take on huge contracts at WR and LB in 2014, sign Albert, draft James at #19 and Turner in the 3rd. Then he had an answer for future WR cuts by drafting Landry.

    Tannehill and Landry are going to have a lot of linked production together. He’s our new McDuffie.

    But there was no doubt a cause and effect situation happened there. I think Hickey was extremely solid in his first year as GM.

  169. finfanrob says:

    tim

    my only point is hickey missed on more then half of what he did but everyone seems to think he is the answer. i will just wait a few years and tell you if he is

  170. finfanrob says:

    Mike E. says:
    February 18, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    suck it up = conform,

    ok ok calm down. no need to go hacking my computer now. wait then again you wont have to go searching for the BOTW if you do.

  171. dbolt48 says:

    Nice:

    @God_Son80: From the soul… Wise man once told me that. http://t.co/hPtravGxRt

  172. Mike E. says:

    LMAO FFR! So true!

  173. Silly Tim says:

    Okay, so let me get this straight, Ireland and Hickey have been sub par but Philbin and his staff lack the magic to turn mules into unicorns? Hmmm… this is getting wild. LOL

  174. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    Not sure I ever said Ireland was horrible. I know what I’ve said many times was that he was much better at acquiring talent via FA, than he was at drafting. That being said, he did bring in a fair amount of talent here through FA, just not enough in the draft. He did hit on some later RD picks, which is unusual, and made safe, but productive 1st RD picks, (except for Jordan), but his record in the 2nd and 3rd RD was atrocious.

    • Silly Tim says:

      I agree. I wasn’t confronting you on Ireland specifically, it’s just that people jump on that bandwagon pretty easily and I wonder… so if that’s the case, what are we looking at as a team?

  175. finfanrob says:

    tim

    hickey hit on 2 draft picks. and a 1 and 2 rounder at that. not so sure that makes him a draft guru

  176. Silly Tim says:

    ffr, guru is an annoying word. It suggests someone knows all and is perfect, you know like God.

    1. OT James – starter
    2. WR Landry – starter
    3. OT Turner – injured all year (turf toe) and showed progress late
    4. DB Aikens – provided depth all year at both corner and safety
    5a. TE Lynch – IR (back)
    5b. LB Tripp – active STs
    6. WR Hazel – cut (back on the roster heading into camp in 2015)
    7. DL Fede – worked his way into the DL rotation and plays STs

    We need the 2-3 drafts prior to take it to another level too.

  177. finfanrob says:

    tim

    oh yeah i see that now. i see that. hickey does know what the hell he is doing he is excellent at his job……………….so i guess it is philbin then to blame for 8-8

  178. finfanrob says:

    that isnt turf toe that looks more like one of kens dates

  179. Silly Tim says:

    ffr, I think we have a disconnect. It’s not one person, we are who we are as a team. We could be 2-12 etc. bumbling about with no chance to win games. That’s not the case. It doesn’t kill me deep inside if we don’t win a championship. I’m well schooled in that dept. with one as an adult with the 1986 Mets. I just want to be in the mix and play exciting football. If we win it all that would be awesome. I like knowing there’s a chance, not demanding it.

    I try to keep it fun. When that ends, I’m out.

  180. Mike E. says:

    I took the losses the last the couple of years that knocked us out of the playoffs really hard. I think my biggest problem in all of those games was we just didn’t show up, and weren’t really competitive. The BAL game, we were there in the 1st half, but never came out of the locker room in the 2nd half. The BUF and NYJ games the previous year, the same thing. To me, that’s not on the GM, that’s the coaches, and the players. Not sure who gets more of the blame, the coaches, or the players, probably it should be a 50/50 split.

  181. Mike E. says:

    LMAO @ FFR – I just saw your turf toe comment

  182. finfanrob says:

    Silly Tim says:
    February 18, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    ffr, I think we have a disconnect.

    ya think. my only point is how hickey has been anointed as the great one and it was only one draft that he was no more successful at then basically anyone else in his position. i am all for hickey, but just am not ready to say he would have done a better job then ireland or he is the savior

  183. finfanrob says:

    ok guys the advil pm are kicking in. catch you all later.

  184. Mike E. says:

    Goodnight FFR

  185. Silly Tim says:

    Mike E, Philbin’s biggest issue are his teams not playing well down the stretch – last 2 games/seasons with the playoffs on the line. Not specific play calls, 2 or 3 man rush, all out blitz, run over pass or whatever. Why can’t he get his players to cease the moment and why can’t these players be self-motivated in that setting?

    It’s two-fold for me. Philbin and his staff get one more crack at it. You can’t get more than 4 years of not making the playoffs as a first time HC. That’s a solid time frame to give a guy to build his program. It either happens or it doesn’t. But talent usually decides the outcome.

    You can’t allow teams to run all over you down the stretch on defense and also give up sacks in big spots. It ruins games.

    If our DL and OL held up we’re probably 10-6 or 11-5.

    • Mike E. says:

      I disagree on the play calls. I think he put his stamp on the Green Bay game. Played it conservative, as is his MO, and it bit him in the ass when the QB he supposedly developed took the ball down the field for the win. I would have liked our odds much better if we concentrated our effort into getting one more lousy first down, which would have sealed the win, rather than giving the keys to Aaron Rodgers with a gassed defense.

      • Silly Tim says:

        But you’re acting as if the opposite would have been the answer. Do you really know that? What makes me think that would have made a difference? If we lose that way, the same criticism occurs. It still didn’t work. We’re not that good of a team. Yes, we are middle of the road. Get better!

  186. olddolphan says:

    GOOOOOD NEWS from FAU Stadium. FAU’s baseball team has handed 8th ranked Miami their first defeat of the year by a score of 5-3. A fellow alum told me “We have defeated the evil empire!” -But, actually, I have great respect for Miami’s baseball program. Year in and year out they produce a Top-20 program. They have won, I believe, 3 College World Series Championships. FAU plays 2 more games against U-M later this season in Coral Gables in what figures to be a match-up of Top 20 teams. BUT FIRST, FAU has to take on the Ohio State Buckeyes in a 3-game series this weekend. I already have one bet with a Buckeye alum on this series (my usual $1 bet per game). Hope those Buckeye fans brought their sunscreen with them!
    The Old Dolfan is going to celebrate a bit and then hit the bed. Tomorrow’s gonna be a busy day at work.
    ————-
    Hang in there, Mike E. – – Call me if psychiatric advice is needed! – – I’m kinda unqualified in that regard BUT I won’t over charge you NOR will I force you to use a new computerized system!

  187. Mike E. says:

    Goodnight people! Catch ya tomorrow, although with this new program, I have no idea how much time, if any, I’ll be able to check in.

  188. Try Pod says:

    I have been informed by local meteorology we should expect between -6° to -10 tomorrow morning with a windchill approaching -25. High of +7° tomorrow. Dead
    Of
    Winter.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Ouch
      My weather app has a low of 3 degree in NYC tomorrow

      That’s right I didn’t add an “s” to degree
      At 3 you don’t deserve to be treated as plural

  189. The Flying Pig says:

    Who wants to play a piggy game?

    Guess what position Wedge scouts tomorrow

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