ABSOLUTE PERFECTION: THE 1972 MIAMI DOLPHINS

By: Randy Campbell (Old Dolfan)

GAME 8: NOV. 5, 1972 – MIAMI at BUFFALO

Two weeks earlier, the Miami Dolphins narrowly escaped the historic Orange Bowl with a 24-23 win over the Buffalo Bills.  As they prepared for the rematch head coach Don Shula asked offensive coordinator Howard Schnellenberger, csonkakiick“What do we do best against Buffalo?”  “That’s easy.  The thing we do best is running the football.” said Schnellenberger.  “Then THAT’s what we’re going to do,” said the Don of Miami.  Together, the two coaches developed a strategy they originally sprang on the Houston Oilers in week #2; the “3-Back Attack.”  A few new wrinkles were added to the mix.  But the philosophy was “We’re going to run the ball until forced to do something else.”

One of the three backs, Eugene (Mercury) Morris, had his own private rivalry with Bills’ star back O. J. Simpson.  “Back in college, O. J. beat me out two years in a row for the NCAA rushing title,” said Morris.  “Simpson always seems to beat me out.  When we both turned pro, he was an instant starter; I was on the second team.”  Morris continued, “O.J.’s always in the limelight.  But, today, things will be different.  My team, and my performance, will grab the headlines.”  Morris’ prophecy came true.KGrHqIOKjwE3QmcNN5QBOgCOuu_3 On Miami’s second play, Mercury Morris swept around right end and ran 33 yards down to the Bills’ 20.  Yepremian’s 33-yard field goal gave the Dolphins a quick 3-0 lead.  Buffalo responded.  A 13-yard touchdown pass, Dennis Shaw to Randy Jackson, put the Bills ahead 6-3 after a missed PAT.  Now was the time to put the “3-Back Attack” into high gear.  On the next drive, Jim Kiick and Larry Csonka combined for four carries for 25 yards.  Then Morrall connected with tight end Jim Mandich for 13 yards to the Buffalo 22.  Next, Morrall handed-off to Morris on a play designed to go off right tackle.  The hole was jammed, so Morris sprinted outside and burst to the 10 where the Bills’ Robert James and Maurice Tyler were waiting for him.  Morris juked James, bounced-off Tyler, and sped into the end zone for a 10-6 Miami advantage!

A pair of Yepremian field goals, set-up by the “3-Back Attack,” gave the Fins a 16-6 lead.  But Buffalo’s Tony Green intercepted Morrall and returned it for a touchdown, narrowing the gap to 16-13 at halftime.  The huge Buffalo crowd roared its approval!  Would there be another heart-stopping finish to a Dolphins-Bills game?  Would this be the end of The Perfect Season?

 

In the halftime locker room, Shula told his offense “We get the ball to start the third quarter.  We’ve GOT to send them a message.  If we score a touchdown on our first possession, we’ll put them in a hole they’ll never crawl out of!”  Shula’s words came true.  The “3-Back Attack” moved the Dolphins steadily down the field.  With the Bills’ defense deployed to stop the run, Earl Morrall calmly tossed a 7-yard touchdown pass to Marv Fleming, capping an 80-yard drive.  It was 23-13, Miami.

Buffalo came back later in the quarter to register a John Leypoldt field goal.  Going into the fourth quarter, Miami led 23-16.  It would be Miami’s (and Morris’) quarter.  After a Dolphins’ drive stalled, the “No Name Defense” stymied Buffalo’s attempt to tie the game.  Then the Dolphins drove for what would prove to be the game-clinching touchdown.  The Miami running game got the ball to the Buffalo 29.  Even a field goal would put the game out of reach.  Instead, Morrall found none other than Mercury Morris scooting up field closely guarded by a defender.  Without breaking stride, Morris reached behind, snared the ball, and ran all the way to the Bills’ 3 yard line!  Two plays later, Morris exploded through a hole created by Norm Evans for the clinching touchdown!  The “3-Back Attack” had worked to perfection, producing a 30-16 Miami victory.

Even O. J. Simpson was impressed.  “It’s going to be tough for them to get beat.  I think they’re the best team in football, “said the former Heisman Trophy winner.imagesCAPF6NNE (Simpson would NEVER know the joy of beating Miami.  His Bills would lose an NFL record 20 straight games to the Dolphins in the decade of the ’70’s!)  The numbers of this game told the story.  Simpson had 13 carries for a paltry 45 yards and no touchdowns.  Quarterback Dennis Shaw was 12 for 25 for only 125 yards, 1 touchdown and 2 interceptions.  The “No Name Defense” did its job, giving up only 9 points to the potent 093755aeb90dbbbfd1e99131a74991a2f563f4fc-220x300Bills’ offense (the other 7 points were the result of an intercepted pass returned for a TD).  Miami’s “3-Back Attack” produced mind-boggling numbers.  Larry Csonka had 17 carries for 72 yards; Jim Kiick ran 12 times for 63 yards.  And Mercury Morris clearly outperformed Simpson by tallying 106 yards and two touchdowns on only 10 carries.  All told, the Dolphins ran the ball 45 times for a FRANCHISE RECORD 254 YARDS!  Mercury Morris was given the coveted game ball.  Head coach Don Shula had a huge smile on his face.  Offensive coordinator Howard Schnellenberger lit-up his traditional “victory pipe!”  The future head coach of both the University of Miami and Florida Atlantic University believed this Dolphin team was unstoppable.

The 1972 Miami Dolphins were now 8-0.

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396 Responses to ABSOLUTE PERFECTION: THE 1972 MIAMI DOLPHINS

  1. Brian in NY says:

    Nice write OD! I was unaware that OJ never beat the Dolphins- that’s incredible.

    • Try Pod says:

      But he could sure beat his wife. Just proves that the more money you have, the more “innocent” you can be.

  2. Rhino says:

    OD, I remember when the Dolphins played in Buffalo, the Bills fans always had someone with a big sign: “Miami has the Oranges, We Have The Juice”

    Here’s what O.J. looked like after this game with the Dolphins:

  3. Rhino says:

    I’m sure you all saw this:

    Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet
    Follow
    Interested to learn the #Dolphins finished 2nd to the #Seahawks in the Jimmy Graham trade. MIA was aggressive in trying to upgrade at TE.
    1:51 PM – 24 Mar 2015

    • dbolt48 says:

      No biggie either way. They swung for an All pro TE and came up short. Looking at it, this team felt they needed an above the rim player at TE. If Cameron can stay healthy he has a very similar skillset.

      • Rhino says:

        … plus, Grahams contract, yikes. BUT… our front office knows we need elite athletes who cover up mistakes of others with their talent! I like the aggressiveness.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Athletes not to really cover for mistakes, but rather give a much bigger window to make a big play.

  4. dbolt48 says:

    Good write OD

  5. dbolt48 says:

    Actually judging by the players we brought in at TE&WR It appears the team thought we needed more competitive players who fight for the high point and contested balls. Very inconsistent at this last year outside of Landry.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      That is where Jaelen Strong fits in….lol

      • dbolt48 says:

        Nelson Agholor, Justin Hardy, Deandre Smelter, Kasen Williams, Austin Hill, Perrimen, etc. There’s some good guys who compete for contested throws.

  6. olddolphan says:

    ANY DAY THAT STARTS WITH A MIAMI VICTORY OVER BUFFALO IS A GOOD DAY!!!!!!! – – -Howard Schnellenberger’s belief that “this Dolphins team was unstoppable” was shared by every player on the squad and was a key element to the singular achievement of THE PERFECT SEASON!! – – – EAT IT, BREATH IT. SLEEP IT. –The PERFECT SEASON IS OURS TO ENJOY!!

  7. getterdone says:

    OD, yessss. I remember how OJ Simpson would run wild on every team the Bills played….with the exception of ONE…our Miami Dolphins!

    Go Phins!

  8. getterdone says:

    OD, maybe one of your grandsons or great grandsons will be posting in the future about ‘The Road To Perfection’ Part Deaux of the 2017 Dolphins 🙂

  9. son of a son of a shula says:

    http://rt.com/usa/243377-mining-sewage-precious-metals-studies/

    I got all excited only to find out I’d found fools gold – it was corn

  10. son of a son of a shula says:

    Dolphins Win – The Dolphins win again. Paving the road to perfection!
    Thanks OD

  11. The Flying Pig says:

    The Dolphins ar 8-0
    So nice to hear

    I want to hear it again

    Thanks for thre write up OD

  12. getterdone says:

    PHOENIX — The NFL adopted a new player-safety rule on Tuesday that could potentially have prevented Julian Edelman’s late-game heroics in last month’s Super Bowl.

    The NFL’s owners unanimously passed Resolution G-2, in which the concussion spotters in the press box at each game now have the ability to directly contact the officials on the field and call for a medical timeout if a player shows “obvious signs of disorientation or is clearly unstable” and it becomes apparent that the player will remain in the game.

    According to the language of the rule, “Upon being called by the ATC Spotter, the side judge will immediately stop the game, go to the player in question, and await the arrival of the team’s medical personnel to ensure that the player is attended to and escorted off the field. The game and play clock will stop [if running], and remain frozen until the player is removed from the game.”

    Rest of the Rule Changes & Proposals are here:
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/03/24/nfl-passes-julian-edelman-rule/ECLaeQDYH9rRzNjefh0dlN/story.html

  13. Tim Knight says:

    Thank you all for your kind words.

  14. dbolt48 says:

    Will be very interested to see how Perriman’s pro-day goes today.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      His stock has been dropping
      Undeservingly so IMO

      • dbolt48 says:

        It’s because they didn’t see him at the combine. Saw an article this morning that with a good workout they have him as a fringe 1st round guy.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Typical response to not having overwhelming measureables and speed etc. That doesn’t change the type of player he is.

      • dbolt48 says:

        1. The Breshad Perriman train is about to pick up steam… (March 25).
        After straining his hamstring during Combine training, Perriman wasn’t cleared to run in Indianapolis and chose not to lift on the bench press, making his pro day a must-see event for NFL scouts. He is very well-liked in NFL circles with his size/athleticism combination so teams are eager to put testing numbers next to his name to see how it matches up with his film. Despite losing 2014 first round pick Blake Bortles at quarterback, Perriman had his most productive season as a junior and proved to be a big-play threat at every level of the field as the starting “X” receiver. With a good showing at Central Florida’s pro day, many around the league think its possible Perriman could sneak into the top-20 picks.

    • dbolt48 says:

      We are talking about Breshad, right?????

  15. Tim Knight says:

    OD, good stuff once again. Love the “3-Back Attack”.

  16. Tim Knight says:

    You guys think Perriman is worthy of the #14 pick?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      No
      and I mean neither of them are

    • dbolt48 says:

      I don’t think he is as Polished as the top two. His physical upside is outstanding & he appears to be very mature and grounded which is probably helped by his father. If he hits his ceiling he can be the best WR of this class.

  17. The Flying Pig says:

    Tim

    I think Kendricks and Parker are the top 2 candidates at #14 given who I expect to be there

    But I think strong should be consdiered to
    and if Scherf is there I would consider him

    Keviv White would be a dream

  18. Tim Knight says:

    Just don’t pay them. The Perriman/Perrymans that is. 😉

  19. dbolt48 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 25, 2015 at 9:48 am
    If you had to pick, who do you think we take?
    *
    With this team in particular I could see them going after Agholor before either. If it was my choice I take Perriman over Strong, but I like the upside of both.

    • Tim Knight says:

      At #14?

    • Ken says:

      I am actually starting to like Funchess more than Perriman or even Agholor. I went back and watched video on Funchess over the weekend and talk about a guy who can high point a ball it’s Funchess. I have been wary of him because of talk to make him a TE but I like him as a WR and think he can be a real red zone weapon. I still like Strong better than Funchess. I think Funchess is a round 2 value.

  20. Mike E. says:

    Great job once again OD! The Perfect Season continues!

  21. Mike E. says:

    Perriman isn’t worthy of the #14, but I do think he’s a legit 2nd RD pick.

  22. Mike E. says:

    I was listening to Pat Kirwan, and he was talking about the Giants, and he recommended the Giants take one of the Collins boys, either Landon or La’el, and that’s at #9. Collins might fall to us, but I’d be surprised.

  23. Mike E. says:

    Hardy 2nd RD D-Bolt? I think that’s too early

    • Tim Knight says:

      His game tape says he is but his measureables and speed says no. But Landry was a 2nd rd pick and he wasn’t a workout warrior either.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Speed thing was a little oversold also. He ran a 4.55 at the combine & that’s with them having timing issues evident from readjusting Amare Coopers 40 from a 4.43 and telling teams he was between a 4.35 & 4.38.

    • dbolt48 says:

      As I said many times…He’s an Anyonio Brown clone. All time receptions leader in D1 history. Big hands, solid vertical, elite route runner, Elite RAC ability….Why I view him as a 2nd round prospect.

  24. Tim Knight says:

    Dbolt, Hardy is an etc. LOL

  25. son of a son of a shula says:

    Big day for all of the UCF hopefuls. Perriman should knock it out of the park.
    Clayton Geathers is a solid prospect at Safety, he led the combine for DB’s in the bench press (22) and the verticle (37″). He was a hawk in his 4 years here. Rannel Hall the “other” WR is so under the radar but he’s a great route runner and has excellent hands. He and Perriman were an outstanding receiving duo.
    My man Terrance Plummer is a nice prospect at linebacker as well, he always seemed to be around the ball and he would lay the wood.
    All four are legit NFL prospects and I’d love to get any of them on the Fins.

  26. son of a son of a shula says:

    Rannell Hall with the beatdown:

  27. son of a son of a shula says:

    Somebody call for a Plummer?

  28. son of a son of a shula says:

    Geathers with the slam down:

  29. Mike E. says:

    Your score is: 6228 (GRADE: B+)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14: La’el Collins, OT/OG, LSU (A)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma (A)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Jordan Hicks, OLB, Texas (B)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: MyCole Pruitt, TE, Southern Illinois (A)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (B+)

  30. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 25, 2015 at 10:24 am
    Hardy 2nd RD D-Bolt? I think that’s too early
    Reply
    Tim Knight says:
    March 25, 2015 at 10:34 am
    His game tape says he is but his measureables and speed says no. But Landry was a 2nd rd pick and he wasn’t a workout warrior either.
    ———————————————————–
    Id actually make that comparison as well. Hardy isnt elite level speed. but he like Landry catches everything thrown to him and he has traits that help him gain separation on receivers despite not having great straight line speed. I think a lot here mistake the fact that a receiver without blazing speed can be successful, or at least if they aren’t blazing fast they got to be BIG. Its just not true. Hardy is one of the better receivers i have seen.

    Ill put it another way. Amari Cooper was matched up on Vernon Hargreaves (UF CB, considered to be among the nations best) and Cooper had success in that game but generally when he crossed the safeties zone. Almost all the catches, save one very good TD reception was away from Hargreaves, and Hargreaves kept him in check most the game. Cooper is considered perhaps the top receiver in the draft at getting open (also without elite speed or size mind you) Hardy gave Hargreaves more fits in the Birmingham Bowl game i watched first hand. Hargreaves wound up saving the day on an beautiful end zone interception in front of Hardy, but most the game Hardy was just getting open on him. I bet if you asked Hargreaves who his toughest opponent he faced was, he probably names Cooper and Hardy in the same breath.

    Hardy is smaller school, he doesn’t have the elite markers some of the other receivers have, but i could easily see him going late second, or 3rd round just off game tape and the insane stats he put up, 10 TD’s 1494 yards and a 12 YPC average.

  31. D says:

    dbolt48 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 10:41 am
    As I said many times…He’s an Anyonio Brown clone. All time receptions leader in D1 history. Big hands, solid vertical, elite route runner, Elite RAC ability….Why I view him as a 2nd round prospect.
    ———————————————-
    I really like him as well. If i cant have Parker, Id take him and then get a bigger guy like Waller later. More i look at Waller the more i really like the idea of him and lining him up all over the place, especially when we are in the RZ.

  32. getterdone says:

    Mr. Hand, thanks for giving me wood with your DGB pick in the 2nd round! 😉

  33. wyoming85 says:

    dbolt48 says:

    March 25, 2015 at 9:22 am

    Nelson Agholor, Justin Hardy, Deandre Smelter, Kasen Williams, Austin Hill, Perrimen, etc. There’s some good guys who compete for contested throws.
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I’m glad to see Hill getting some love around here!
    If his foot is 100% he is a beast!

    Take a look @Dres Anderson before the knee blow-out!

  34. son of a son of a shula says:

    Two things I wouldn’t rule out:

    1. Us moving up to get Cooper or White
    2. Us taking a DE at 14

  35. New Age says:

    Thanks OD for another awesome story!

  36. Ken says:

    Son:
    I have a hard time seeing us go DE at 14. There are 5 elite pass rushing prospects. All are projected to go before 14. I think at 14 we are likely to go WR, OL or DB.

  37. Al in MIA says:

    Drafting a DE or DT in RD 1 would certainly be an eye opener but considering how the investments have been done so far, I’d say there’s a low chance of that happening. At least at Pick 14 (who knows in a trade down scenario).

    CB, WR, OL, LB is likely the position to be filled with pick 14 or anything in the top 20.

  38. D says:

    Looks like we brought in Ramik Wilson for a private workout. He’s my fallback option for us at ILB were we not able to get the top teir guys like Perryman, Kendricks, McKinney.

    This is my ILB top 5 in order.
    McKinney
    Kendricks
    Perryman
    Anthony
    Wilson

  39. Al in MIA says:

    Speaking of DL, I’m big on Za’Darius Smith. Huge motor.

  40. son of a son of a shula says:

    If one of those top 5 DE’s falls to 14 and the top 3 WR’s have already been picked then that would likely be the BPA.

  41. getterdone says:

    Son, I see a DE with a later pick being possible, and for sure a priority FA after the draft to put on our PS.

  42. Al in MIA says:

    GDP,
    Do you believe Fins draft a CB in RD 1 or 2?

  43. Al in MIA says:

    At this point for CB I’m expecting Marcus Peters. Great off the ball instincts

  44. Tim Knight says:

    I agree with Al on the positions (CB, WR, OL, LB) we’re likely to draft not only at #14 but throughout the draft.

  45. Ken says:

    D:
    I like Ramik Wilson a lot. I am glad to see we are bringing him in for a workout.

  46. finfanrob says:

    nice write OD. i am beginning to think the fins will never lose in this series you are writing.

  47. getterdone says:

    Al,
    good question on do I see us taking a CB in 1-2nd rd. A lot depends on what the coaches think of where Tayor & Davis are at, and even Aiken our 4th round pick last year.
    But they could in the first if they think Tre Waynes is that much heads and trails above the rest, of course if a big WR like White is still on the board, then I’d hope we go there.

    After signing FA CB McCain, I think that gives us a bit of the luxury of waiting till the later rounds to develop someone if we have greater needs or great BPA type that fill those needs in rounds 1 & 2.

  48. The Flying Pig says:

    D

    You have McKinney as your top ranked ILB?
    I like McKinney but I think just think he is an OLB at the next level

  49. The Flying Pig says:

    Hickey does like him those SEC players

    So bringing in Ramik Wilson makes sense

  50. Al in MIA says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    March 25, 2015 at 11:34 am

    I think if we do we are essentially cutting either Taylor or Davis which is possible as they are Ireland picks.
    ——–
    They are still cheap but their rookie contracts will expire after next season and Grimes is on borrowed time (2 years max) given age/salary.
    They can go the route of bringing in a veteran (like Finnegan last year) on a short term contract to add depth in case injuries happen to Davis/Taylor/Grimes but more quality DB are needed (the younger cheaper kind)

    • getterdone says:

      Phins brought in Eric Rowe for a workout, they may like him if they can get him in the 4th, probably about where they project him.

      • getterdone says:

        BTW, I really like the size of Rowe, and the speed and vertical for this big DB is nice. He’s also versatile, has played both @ S & CB.

      • D says:

        Yeah i see a lot of people suggesting he and Cordy Glenn both move to S, or play that Wilson role of being able to flip between the positions.

  51. D says:

    I have McKinney as my top ILB due to fact his size and athleticism are traits you cant teach and all his flaws even from ILB position are teachable. I think he may not be the best hit the ground running guy, and yes might likely have to be started at a OLB position before being moved inside but i think his potential exceeds all the others in the long run.

  52. D says:

    Ramik is no slouch either, i mean early in the year he was being talked about as potentially a top guy and i think only through the efforts of the others has he kinda slid out of the spotlight. I have no doubts he will be a good ILB some day, but i will admit he, like McKinney could need to start at OLB to get game experience before moving to ILB. He has good size for the position being 6’3 248, so again, traits you cant teach. He isn’t as athletic as McKinney, or probably Kendrick or Anthony, but he, i think develops into a very nice player.

  53. getterdone says:

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    I asked Dennis Hickey what he looks for in a tailback & he said TOUGHNESS is No.1. Natural vision is 2nd, center of gravity/balance is 3rd.
    ______________________
    This is why he liked what I saw in Damien Williams.

  54. D says:

    I honestly think forall of the ILB prospects, they would probably need to start at OLB or rotate in at OLB. I think Misi is going to have to stay put at ILB while these guys acclimate and i think that may be the best plan anyways. By mid year maybe give the guy a shot at the inside, but 4-3 MLB is a hard position to step in green, not yet up to NFL speed, or any exposure to NFL formations. I think all of the would survive there, especially since Suh is going to give them a little more ease of acclimation, but smarter move probably is OLB or slowly rotating them into the ILB position through the course of the year.

  55. The Flying Pig says:

    D
    I tend to think Perryman or Kendricks can start at MLB on day 1

    I agree that Suh makes everyone’s job a little easier
    Misi is kind of a luxury
    even though he isn;t healthy he can’t help us ease a player in
    but he can do that inside or outside

    I want to draft 2 LBs
    1 to play inside and 1 to play outside
    and if they need a little time I think Misi is a big asset to the team

    • getterdone says:

      Not sure we need to draft 2. Plus Philbin seems convinced Misi to remain @ MLB, will improve in his 2nd year there. I also expect to see Tripp & McPain emerge in their 2nd year like Jelani has.

  56. Al in MIA says:

    Ken,
    I think the TE class is underrated.
    Wes Saxson is an Hback type
    Blake Bell is still vanilla at TE but has good feet for short space and to me is Amaro like but higher ceiling.

    • getterdone says:

      i really like Bell, he could be a steal if on the board in the 5th where we have 2 picks.
      He’ll take 2 years to develop, but he’ll be a good one. Reminds me of my likes of Travis Kelce back when he was in the draft.

    • Ken says:

      There is no one in the TE class that screams impact player. I am not saying there are not some prospects out there that can in turn into a quality player but we are not going to find the next Jimmy Graham or Gronk in this year’s draft. BTW I like the Belldozer too. Very versatile guy and he can always be used for specialty plays as well. He has a decent arm.

  57. Al in MIA says:

    GDP,
    Todd Gurley (great toughness)
    Cameron Artis-Payne (great vision)
    …..

  58. Tim Knight says:

    Even though Misi has been banged up the last few years, it’s not like he can’t have a good season and not have a high ankle sprain all season this year.

  59. Al in MIA says:

    To me LB is one of the easiest positions to draft to plug and play right away.
    You can find a 100 tackle guy in year 1.

  60. getterdone says:

    Chris Perkins ✔ @chrisperk
    #Dolphins coach Joe Philbin says WR Kenny Stills runs routes Ryan Tannehill excels at throwing

  61. Al in MIA says:

    getterdone says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    BTW, I really like the size of Rowe, and the speed and vertical for this big DB is nice. He’s also versatile, has played both @ S & CB.
    —–
    I guess the Aiken mold.

    I’d me more comfortable just seeing the Fins take Holliman but whatever the team gets they get. 😛

  62. Al in MIA says:

    Ken,
    I like Clive Walford much, same for Maxx & Heuermann (Heath Miller clone).

  63. Al in MIA says:

    Tim,
    Misi looks natural at MLB to me but the problems he had last year were instinctual.
    He took some bad angles guessing on direction and to me he has to cut that shit out.

  64. getterdone says:

    I like Jake Ryan to groom for our MLB spot, he can also play outside…is solid in both run & coverage support. He’s another guy I’d look hard at if he’s there in the 5th where we have two picks now. This is of course we don’t go LB early.

  65. Ken says:

    Tim:
    Misi playing with a high ankle sprain is not an excuse for his lack of quickness. If he lacked the quickness because of injury then our coaching staff is a bunch of morons who put a guy on the field who couldn’t play the position because of injury. More likely Misi is just not that quick and that can be exploited.

    • getterdone says:

      He’s more instinctual than quick, so i too would like to see if he can improve with more snaps in year two at the new position, more like year 1 1/2 due to lingering injury last year…lol

    • Tim Knight says:

      Have you ever tried to run with a sprained ankle? Players play through injuries all the time. We didn’t have many options at MLB. Ellerbe went down for the year in game1, Trusnik played hard but was limited and we signed Sheppard when Ellerbe went on IR. Tripp wasn’t ready.

  66. getterdone says:

    Tim, this might cheer you up a tad…This Bud’s for you! 😉

  67. wyoming85 says:

    Kyle Crabbs ‏@NDTScouting · 18m18 minutes ago
    So for those keeping track at home, CB Bryce Callahan has now logged a low 4.3 40, 43.5″ vert and 11′ broad jump at Rice Pro Day today.

  68. dbolt48 says:

    For you guys plugged into UGA football what was the issue with Wilson prior to the start of the season? He was knocked down to second string and was supposedly challenged by coaches on multiple occasions. Is there a question of work ethic and drive with him??? I like most of his play on the field.

  69. Tim: I don’t know who you lost but I’m sending my condolences to you.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Thanks, Gigi. My friend Jim who’s been fighting brain cancer for over 5 years passed away yesterday. He was 49.

  70. wyoming85 says:

    Gotta go to work!
    Later Haters

    14: R1P14 WR DEVANTE PARKER LOUISVILLE
    47: R2P15 ILB DENZEL PERRYMAN MIAMI (FL)
    114: R4P15 G ALI MARPET HOBART
    149: R5P13 CB DORAN GRANT OHIO STATE
    150: R5P14 WR JUSTIN HARDY EAST CAROLINA
    190: R6P15 S ADRIAN AMOS PENN ST

  71. finfanrob says:

    just have to laugh at anyone that is in an uproar over this. heard about this on two different radio stations today. first she is a comedian. second it is simple. dont do anything wrong.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3010817/Online-backlash-comedian-tweets-Ten-Rape-Prevention-Tips-aimed-attackers.html

  72. jahndoh says:

    Tim, just read about your friend Jim. RIP Jim +vibes to you and the rest of his friends and family.

  73. jahndoh says:

    Al,

    I don’t get how Misi looked “natural” at MLB but not “instinctive”…aren’t they kind of synonymous?

    At any rate, I think Misi is our MLB and will excel behind Suh, unless..we draft Kendricks..than they’ll both excel only Misi will be back at SOLB.

    In my dream world that Kendricks pick comes on a trade back and with an extra #2 so we can still get an OL and a WR. 3 starters from first two rounds, 4 in first 3 rounds if you consider Stills.

    Would be nice.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      a tarde back with Kendricks int he first would not be bad at all
      I would say with the next 2 picks the targets would be OG/WR/CB and for Pig’s sake another LB

      • jahndoh says:

        Me too, except I don’t think CB is as big a need as many others do. I think if it is, we’re kinda fucked because Grimes is another year or 2, and then we’re totally starting over with no young talent there. If Davis and/or Taylor aren’t ready yet, they’re not an answer at CB, and we have to find two high level starters in the next two years…..so…I’m hitching my wagon to Davis/Taylor and considering CB fairly set.

  74. OD: Thank you again for this series — makes me realize how lucky we were. Our offensive line had 2 Hall of Famers – Jim Langer & Larry Little and I believe Bob Keuchenberg should have been voted in as well. That line was the best this franchise ever had. To have 6 players from the Super Bowl victory teams in the HOF is a great accomplishment. Manny Fernandez, Dick Anderson & Jake Scott could/should have been in the HOF as well IMO. We currently have ZERO future HOF players on offense; Suh & Brent Grimes are the only players on defense who may make it (I do not think Wake will). We need more talent not to mention way better coaching. We had great assistants like Howard Schnellenberger & Bill Arnsparger not to mention the legend Coach Shula. New England won with Brady & Gronk on offense; Wilfork may make HOF & possibly Revis – their HC – hate him as much as you want is a great coach. It’s simple – we need more talent & much better coaching. An undrafted rookie FA from a tiny school made the INT to win the Super Bowl for the Pats. He watched film and knew Wilson’s tendencies. The Pats are just a well coached team they can plug in pretty much anyone into their system and they still win.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Suh is the only current player with a resume trending towards the HOF. Grimes has no shot in hell unless he plays another 8yrs and makes the pro bowl each year and becomes a consensus all pro multiple times.

      • getterdone says:

        Tannehill does too. He’s accomplished as much or more than Suh so far….just sayin.

  75. Tim: Man I am sorry that is terrible. 😦

  76. getterdone says:

    Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
    A reporter just called Lovie Smith a defensive guru. He responded “I haven’t heard that one in a while. You know I was 2-14 last season?”
    __________________
    At least Lovie has a sense of humor….lol

  77. jahndoh says:

    I heard an interview with Tannenbaum from the owners meetings on Monday. He really impresses me. Among other things I learned: “Our goal is not just to be the best franchise in the NFL, it’s to be the best franchise in all of pro sports”. They have all kinds of analytics at work in the FO now which, as an old school Billy Beane fan…I’m in favor of. They have one employee who’s sole job is to do “Long term macro economic cap modeling”, so they can see needs (ideally) before they become pressing, and can structure contracts so that they don’t end up in a bind in one single cap year (unless, of course, that’s planned).

    Interesting stuff. Suh and the FO reform this offseason really give me the impression that Mr. Ross is pulling out ALL the stops to make this team a contender again. I know there’s a “show me” crowd here, so lets wait til games start and watch before we pooh-pooh it eh? Can’t show you when there’s no games being played.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I prefer the term “show me” when I am in strip club

    • Ken says:

      Tannebaum comes across well in an interview however, his track record is mixed. He got the Jets to 2 AFC championship games but he also put that team in cap hell and some mediocre seasons after that with some very questionable contracts. In particular the Sanchez contract which was once described as the worst contract in pro football.

      • getterdone says:

        Hence the one employee who’s sole job is to do “Long term macro economic cap modeling”, so they can see needs (ideally) before they become pressing, and can structure contracts so that they don’t end up in a bind in one single cap year.

      • jahndoh says:

        I think it’s unfair to put all that on Tannenbaum, he was under pressure to do whatever Ryan wanted coming off those back to back appearances, and it was public knowledge that the Sanchez contract was something Ryan wanted to get done. That contract by itself put them in a cap bind, although, I’m not sure I can say a team who just managed to sign Revis was ever in “cap hell”.

        Sometimes cap management means biting the bullet for a single year and that’s what they did in NY. Tannenbaum didn’t have Hickey and Phiblin to work with in NY, and he, btw, in that interview said they have a fantastic working relationship between the 3 of them.

  78. Rockphin says:

    Here is my second try at a mock draft.

    14: R1P14 -WR DEVANTE PARKER -LOUISVILLE
    47: R2P15 RB TODD GURLEY -GEORGIA
    114: R4P15 -G JOSUE MATIAS -FLORIDA STATE
    149: R5P13 -CB CHARLES GAINES -LOUISVILLE
    150: R5P14 -DT LOUIS TRINCA-PASAT -IOWA
    190: R6P15 -G MILES DIEFFENBACH -PENN STATE

    I couldn’t get white this time, but still got the gurley man.

  79. Ken says:

    Love rounds 1,2, 4 and 5. Don’t know much about 6 and 7.

  80. Rockphin says:

    LOL we don’t have a 7th round pick. I don’t know anything about Miles Dieffenbach other than he was the highest rated OL left on the board and I think his name SOUNDS like an OL.

  81. Tim Knight says:

    Tannebaum isn’t the GM. He was only involved with the Suh signing being that it was the biggest signing in franchise history. He said on Finsiders after we signed Suh, he probably won’t be seeing much of Dennis and Dawn now. Hickey is the one working the phones, sitting down with free agents, discussing what the numbers are and introducing them to the media. Hickey has said he has to get the okay from Aponte on contract numbers though, if we can afford it etc. Hickey is basically the hunter for talent and there are people in place who crunch the numbers.

  82. Rockphin says:

    I think with the addition of rnd 1,2&4 our offense would REALLY become explosive. (as apposed to the typical implosive one we have had)

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I like Parker and Gurley
      but you have to admit, Gurley has big question matrks as to his health

      I like Charles Gaines a lot
      would probably be a natural fit and would compete push Taylor

  83. Rockphin says:

    So Ken likes all of my picks (loves them he said) except my 6th round linemen. I would call that a successful draft.

    • Ken says:

      Dont’ know the guy from Iowa either. But yes, I love Parker and Gurley. And how about strongly like Gaines and Matias especially for where they would be drafted.

  84. dbolt48 says:

    @nfldraftscout: So that’s why 1st rd talk started. Damn. RT @Rand_Getlin: Former #UCF WR Breshad Perriman just ran a 4.26 forty at his pro day

    My man!

  85. Rockphin says:

    Piggy likes my 6th rounder so I think I did pretty good. (No pitchforks and torches so far)

  86. dbolt48 says:

    @UCF_Football: Here it is! Breshad Perriman’s 40 which was clocked between 4.22-4.27! #UCFproday #BuiltByUCF https://t.co/foa0UKnPc6

  87. Rockphin says:

    perriman was available in the 2nd when I took Gurley. But I had already taken Parker and couldn’t take two WR in a row.

  88. The Flying Pig says:

    I never understand why guys run such different time at pro days than the combine

  89. getterdone says:

    I really hope we can trade down to later in the 1st, then pick up a WR like Perriman or DGB, then hopefully have an extra 2nd or at least our 3rd back 7 and extra 4th.
    This will gives us trading power to then move up some in the 2nd if we want Kendricks if he makes it past the 1st, or a good OL, or DB.

  90. Tim Knight says:

    Perriman is obviously fast but I doubt his times at his pro day would be the same as at the combine.

    • dbolt48 says:

      I wouldn’t doubt his times. The way I’ve seen him pull away from defenders is crazy. The times at the combine I don’t trust too much either….especially this year.

    • getterdone says:

      Who cares, shows he can get off the line of scrimmage. He’s not gonna be slow by any means. I like him more for his physical nature and his willingness to fight for the ball every play, and his YAC potential.

  91. Mike E. says:

    Your score is: 6374 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14: La’el Collins, OT/OG, LSU (A)
    Round 2 Pick 18 (BUF): Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma (A)
    Round 3 Pick 17 (BUF): Denzel Perryman, ILB/OLB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
    Round 5 Pick 13: MyCole Pruitt, TE, Southern Illinois (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Kurtis Drummond, FS, Michigan State (A)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Craig Mager, CB, Texas State (C)

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m sure the Bills give up a 3rd to move up 4 spots….lol

    • jahndoh says:

      I don’t hate it, but I honestly don’t believe DGB is on our board at all. (Sorry GDP, that’s just my speculation on it, I don’t have a bad thing to say about his talent though!)

  92. Mike E. says:

    That 4.22 is nonsense. Probably a 4.4

  93. getterdone says:

    Mike E, Who cares Perriman’s 4.22-4.27 isn’t quite legit! It shows he can get off the line of scrimmage. He’s not gonna be slow by any means. I like him more for his physical nature and his willingness to fight for the ball every play, and his YAC potential.

  94. getterdone says:

    Jahn, DGB is on our board…Bazooka Joe saw him picking up a gum wrapper on the track @ the combine before he ran. Was love at first site! http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/drague/amour/vil2_bemine.gif

  95. getterdone says:

    Ian Wharton @NFLFilmStudy
    I had 4.41 “@UCF_Football: Here it is! Breshad Perriman’s 40 which was clocked between 4.22-4.27! https://vine.co/v/O35ddHeUur6
    __________________________________
    See what I mean, who gives a rat’s ass….that’s still way fast enough for a big strong receiver in anybody’s book. I hope we get a shot at keeping him in Fla.

  96. Ken says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    March 25, 2015 at 2:42 pm (Edit)

    I never understand why guys run such different time at pro days than the combine
    ____________________________________________________
    I don’t trust pro day times as much as combine times. Pro days are being run by the school programs. They have a vested interest in trying to make their guys look as good as possible. The higher those guys get drafted the better they do recruiting wise. The combine is just trying to get the best possible info for the NFL with no vested interest in promoting one school or player over another.

    • Ken says:

      Often times you see schools over lists players heights and weights also and when they show up at the combine they tend lose an inch or two.

    • jahndoh says:

      But every single scout, coach and personnel man at the pro-day puts his own watch to it. That’s why the reports are a “range” of times between 2 points. Because they’re verified by many watches. What could be of issue is: Is it actually 40 yards and not 39.5 yards? Is it downhill? Downwind?

      I don’t know what lengths schools go to to verify their 40 tracks at their prodays, but I’m sure these reports on Perriman are not merely telling you what his college coach timed him at.

  97. Tim Knight says:

    I’m just saying I don’t believe Perriman ran that fast. He’s probably in the 4.3s. Not that it makes him less of a prospect or anything.

  98. Tim Knight says:

    DGB may be on our board, but I don’t think he is in the 1st round and maybe not the 2nd.

    • Ken says:

      If we draft DGB it means Philbin has very little influence in the draft imo. He is not a Philbin type of guy.

      • jahndoh says:

        I know that’s your opinion, but it’s highly speculative. I think Joe’s the type of guy who assesses each player individually and doesn’t rule anyone out without doing so. Also, that’s my opinion and also speculative. 🙂

  99. dbolt48 says:

    It appears the 4.26 might have been his adjusted time:

    We received a text message via a trusted NFL scout that, frankly, we had to check twice: He wrote that UCF wide receiver Breshad Perriman just ran a 4.15-second 40-yard dash at his pro day on Wednesday.

  100. jetsssuck says:

    Some interesting stuff about Howard Schnellenberger—–It might be interesting to look up why he left UM after winning the national championship.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schnellenberger

  101. dbolt48 says:

    @AlbertBreer: Just got an unsolicited text from an exec: “Perriman ran really, really, really fast.” That’s Breshad, WR from UCF. Scouts buzzing on him.

  102. Mike E. says:

    @UCF Pro Day
    Breshad Perriman “ran” the 40 in 4.25 seconds. It was basically a broad jump from the starting line to the finish line. No need to worry about press coverage, he’ll leap past the competition. #1stPickInTheDraft

  103. Mike E. says:

    Jahn

    I also highly doubt we take DGB. I think it’s very unlikely. Only way I can see it happening is if one or more guys (maybe Tannenbaum and someone else) really like DGB, and all of the other highly rated WR’s are off the board.

    • D says:

      I dunno man, you have to weigh it out and i think there is more chance of it thn you think. I dont think he would be a primary choice, i mean in case of DGB vs Parker, Cooper, or White, i think we and most other teams would select them over DGB. I do think though if they really feel we need a receiver at 14, they would select him if all other options were off the board. We will know for sure if they bring him in for a private workout, which i think would be more like an extended interview tryng to figure out where he is maturity wise. People fuck up, especially when they are young kids in college, our coaches know this and i think it would be more about where he is NOW vs where he WAS then.

      • jahndoh says:

        “Then” wasn’t all that long ago. He’s been plagued by issues. Not just one, although the most recent involves the single biggest NFL hotbutton issue right now.

  104. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 25, 2015 at 1:45 pm
    Thanks, Gigi. My friend Jim who’s been fighting brain cancer for over 5 years passed away yesterday. He was 49.
    ———————————————
    Way too young to be dying. Im very sorry for your loss Tim, even more so for his family, especially kids if he had them. Beyond tragic.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Thank you.

      He has a daughter who’s 5. He got the cancer when his wife was pregnant. He never really got to enjoy her the way he should have. That’s one of the things that makes it even sadder.

  105. jetsssuck says:

    sorry to hear about your loss of a friend.

  106. Mike E. says:

    D

    I have a feeling DGB might not even be on our board period. Of course anything is possible, but my guess is we won’t be drafting him.

  107. Mike E. says:

    Your score is: 6106 (GRADE: B+)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 18 (K.C.): Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
    Round 2 Pick 17 (K.C.): Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (B)
    Round 3 Pick 16 (K.C.): Davis Tull, OLB, Chattanooga (B)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Kurtis Drummond, FS, Michigan State (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (A)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Zach Zenner, FB/RB, South Dakota State (B-)

  108. CavalierKong says:

    Woah! Is it true that WR Breshad Perriman ran so fast he actually created 1.21 gigawatts and ended up in 1955?!!

  109. jetsssuck says:

    Washington (CNN)The U.S. military has charged Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl with one count each of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, officials announced Wednesday afternoon.

  110. Tim Knight says:

    Mike E, you got a 2nd and a 3rd to trade back 4 spots? No way.

    • jahndoh says:

      Dollar to donuts that’s chart value. It cost a lot to move up in the first even just a few spots. Anything can and does happen on draft day. I would probably do it for just the second and maybe a 4th or 5th though…

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’ve never seen that kind of value for a trade like that. It would be almost impossible for a team to make that trade because it means someone fell and the team trading up really feels he’s special, that it would seem the team at #14 would just take that player or a team closer would look to trade up one or two spots. The only way it happens is if a team really overrates a prospect and does a stupid trade.

        I think it’s absurd to trade a 2nd and a 3rd to go from 18 to 14.

  111. The Flying Pig says:

    He gave up a 4th and move down 4 slots to pick up the 3rd rounder
    So that is not so crazy

  112. Rockphin says:

    “@AndrewSiciliano: Scot McCloughan says Redskins undecided on RGIII 5th yr option. Jay Gruden talks of hitting QB “reset” button» hint hint

    How the mighty have fallen. was it THREE first round picks and a second to move up and take him? we “reached” for Tannehill. LOL

  113. getterdone says:
    March 25, 2015 at 2:09 pm
    Tannehill does too. He’s accomplished as much or more than Suh so far….just sayin.
    ***********************
    GDP: You think Tannehill has accomplished as much or is on the same level as Suh?!? Wow….I beg to differ.

  114. Mike E. says:

    Those drafts are kind of just for fun. I don’t think anything is super realistic about them, or especially unrealistic either.

    • Mike E. says:

      I think the trades are overvalued, but otherwise, when picking straight up, it’s not off the wall.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’ve seen some extremely unrealistic drafts posted here. Trade downs for four 2nds, 3rds, and 4ths etc. LOL

      • Mike E. says:

        That’s what I mean, the trades can get silly, but the straight up drafts are as realistic as anything else out there.

  115. getterdone says:

    Brandon Marshall

  116. Mike E. says:

    One more for the road. Highest score ever! How do you get an A on every pick and get an A- grade overall? lol

    Your score is: 7092 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14: La’el Collins, OT/OG, LSU (A)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Davis Tull, OLB, Chattanooga (A)
    Round 5 Pick 13: MyCole Pruitt, TE, Southern Illinois (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Kurtis Drummond, FS, Michigan State (A)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Karlos Williams, RB, Florida State (A)

    • Mike E. says:

      Also, check this out . . .

      How You Matched Up:
      1. Denver Broncos – 7110
      2. Miami Dolphins – 7092
      3. Atlanta Falcons – 6842
      4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – 6796
      5. Minnesota Vikings – 6778
      6. Cleveland Browns – 6736
      7. New England Patriots – 6668
      8. New York Jets – 6656
      9. Arizona Cardinals – 6640
      10. Baltimore Ravens – 6562
      11. Seattle Seahawks – 6546
      12. Carolina Panthers – 6538
      13. Houston Texans – 6532
      14. St. Louis Rams – 6224
      15. New York Giants – 6216
      16. Indianapolis Colts – 6184
      17. Detroit Lions – 6166
      18. New Orleans Saints – 6154
      19. Dallas Cowboys – 6144
      20. Chicago Bears – 6138
      21. Washington Redskins – 6116
      22. Jacksonville Jaguars – 6112
      23. Oakland Raiders – 6106
      24. San Francisco 49ers – 6088
      25. San Diego Chargers – 6070
      26. Tennessee Titans – 5988
      27. Green Bay Packers – 5770
      28. Philadelphia Eagles – 5742
      29. Kansas City Chiefs – 5684
      30. Cincinnati Bengals – 5680
      31. Pittsburgh Steelers – 5646
      32. Buffalo Bills – 5526

    • stangerx says:

      Seems the key is La’el Collins….just like you said all along. 🙂

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Your penmanship was questionable

  117. getterdone says:

    I know Suh is the top in comparison to other DT’s…my comment on Tannehill was not based on writers awards. But what Tanehill has meant to his team. He’s accomplished a lot here, he’s broke a rookie record in his 4th game that bested Marino and he’s gotten better ever year stat wise, despite being behind the NFL’s worse OL.

    I know stats don’t mean much @ Suh’s position cause he’s a block eater, but statistically, his best year was his rookie year. I hope he continues to do the dirty work for us and get us the ball back more often so Tanny can really show what he’s capable of. SO THERE! 😉

  118. stangerx says:

    No signs before, none at all. This from a reporter that was following him in 2013 as part of an “in-depth interview” thing.
    ———————————–
    I looked out the front window of the bar and saw Hernandez urinating on a running taxi cab, with the driver yelling at him. All I could think was, Great, Hernandez is going to get in trouble, and I’m going to have to write about this nonsense. I asked a confidant of his if he might want to go get his friend. “He won’t listen to me so why don’t you go get him?”

    For some reason I didn’t think this to be unreasonable. I went outside, walked up to Hernandez and suggested he should probably use the restroom inside unless he wanted to get arrested. No response. Then I lightly touched his elbow to guide him back into the bar and said, “Aaron, come on. This is stupid.” At that point Hernandez whipped around, got in my face, unleashed a stream of expletives and concluded, “I’m not a child! You’re not my dad!”

  119. GDP: If I did not know any better I would think you are smoking this wacky tobaccy green stuff from here in Cali! 😛

  120. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Stanger and Piggy. Penmanship is one thing I would fail on, especially if I had to write in script, or cursive as it’s properly known.

  121. getterdone says:

    My point is. I rather have a top QB than a top DT if you know what I mean. QB’s are more integral to winning the game because they touch the ball on every offensive snap.
    The best scenario is having both a top 10 QB & top 10 DT. We’re close to having both….so that’s why I said the wins should start coming Gigi. We’ve been over 13 yrs & 17 QB’s since we last were a winning team without Don & Dan.

  122. D says:

    The Washington rumor about perhaps selecting a QB with pick 5 i think is mostly to drive up the value of their pick. Reason i say this is that i heard a couple of weeks ago they were looking to trade the pick to recoup some of the lost picks or draw out suitors for a player for picks trade. Tenn is doing a imilar thing by spreading rumors about not being satisfied with Mettenberger. Both are believable, but given the shopping the pick preceded the “we might take a QB” rumors, im leaning towards it being a trade bait tactic.

  123. jahndoh says:

    Tim,
    I ran the numbers and actually it’s not even close to chart value. I think it’s unrealistic as well, though I think your logic has a flaw in it. Just because a team falls in love with a player doesn’t mean the team trading back would take that player instead. If some team fell in love with a player and gave a sweetheart offer, it’s not like the GM all of the sudden sees something he didn’t see before, he takes the sweetheart offer and gets the better of the trade.

    Still though, the chart value of that trade is that the 2nd rounder alone would get it done..and then some, so I agree, it’s unrealistic.

    • Tim Knight says:

      My point was to make that trade you have to see something very special in the player and if that’s the case, they likely wouldn’t be the only team who sees that.

  124. D says:

    I think some are discounting the process. Philbin doesn’t like certain character traits, he wants guys o be hard working stand up people. It doesn’t however mean he misses the point that people do stupid shit sometimes and they can get wake-up calls that get their lives back in order. I dont think DGB offers the security that some of the players do in that respect, he comes with a reason to investigate him further, but i think that’s exactly what they will do and then they will make their decision off of that, not ignore him as a possibility all together just because he has a past.Half of these kids have pasts if ya dig deep enough, and i bet you a bunch are going to surface in the next month. Im not pushing for DGB, i have pretty much 4 other WR’s rated higher than him as far as who i would take for Phins, but i definitely think the talent is there and there is more credit to be given to the possibility we would select him at 14.

  125. olddolphan says:

    GDP SAYS “The wins should start coming, Gigi.” –Pray tell where have I heard those words before?? –Now we DO have an opportunity to plug our gaping holes in the O-Line (2 holes at guard), Linebacker (at least 1 hole), defensive back (ditto), fullback (someone who can convert 3rd and 2) and a tall, dominant WR who’s a red zone specialist. Some may say our biggest need is A HEAD COACH, but don’t go there b/c Ross loves Philbin. Well, even I can’t drink enough KOOL-Aid to believe the upcoming draft will supply instant upgrades at those positions of need. –And there’s sure as hell no improvement coming this season at head coach. So, yeah, a winning season and a playoff victory are REAL LIKELY, RIGHT?? How could ANYONE have any doubts??
    ————-
    Patience, Old Dolfan, patience. Every franchise has a bad decade or two. Just be patient and everything will be OK.

    • olddolphan says:

      ALL those positions of need.

    • getterdone says:

      Sooo why renew your tickets, just watch on TV like the rest of us poor slobs 😉

    • jahndoh says:

      Alternative, don’t be patient, stamp your feet, get really angry.

      Both alternatives achieve the same thing, so it’s really about personal preference.

      • olddolphan says:

        That’s right, John. Some are OK with mediocrity. Some are not. –It’s great to live in a country where you can express yourself as you see fit.

      • jahndoh says:

        Some think how they react to mediocrity from a professional team will actually change it, some know better it.

        Some root for their team to be superbowl champions every single season even while others accuse them of “being ok with mediocrity”. Some think it’s cool to go around calling people “liars” at every opportunity too.

        Sure is a great country that allows me to point out these things out.

  126. Al in MIA says:

    Been looking at alot of WR film….I don’t think any of the WR at the top are worth trading up for (just sit and wait at 14 if WR is the target or trade back is what i mean).
    Coates & Perriman both look like they have the strongest core strength of the WR in the top 15 WR discussion.
    Baylor’s Antwan Goodley is interesting.
    UGA’s Chris Conley is worth a look as a developmental guy just on sheer physical abilities (as with Smelter of GT).
    I almost forgot about Cal WR Chris Harper who played with a bum QB (Jahn, what you think of him? He can really go up and get it at a high point though he’s light by NFL standards).

  127. getterdone says:

    OD,
    I certainly understand your frustration. I too came from the Perfect season era, that and the many Shula/Marino years have totally made us all spoiled lil brats. I must admit, I know I’m one.
    The Browns fans, buddies of mine, are still so loyal, die hard, and happy to beat the Steelers, Ravens, or Bengals at least once a year or achieve a 8-8 record and they’re on cloud 9.

    It’s become more just a ra ra entertainment thing in the modern FA era.
    Back in the pre-FA era you could identify with your team more cause players were usually there for their entire career, so it became like family.

    Now it’s all about selling high priced seats, huge advertising & merchandising, and Corporations entertaining clients or top level employees with blocks of prime tickets.

    On top of that, the rules keep changing and refs skew games in order to keep that entertainment value/rating high. Very few people want to sit 3+ hours and watch a 9-6 defensive battle these days.

    The integrity of the true game from days gone by are definitely GONE!

  128. Try Pod says:

    I can’t believe Zayn quit. What will all the 10 to 16 year old girls do?

  129. getterdone says:

    Al, good post, I like most of those WR’s you mentioned, but as you know I’ve been really pushing the other GT WR Waller.

  130. Tim Knight says:

    OD, fans have nothing to do with how well their teams do. If they did, every fan would have a winning team. LOL

  131. Brian in NY says:

    Tim,

    I’m really sorry you lost your friend. I hope that he is in a better place right now.

  132. Brian in NY says:

    Gigi (@Mrs2620) says:
    March 25, 2015 at 5:14 pm
    FYI: The stuff out here is 1,000 x better than in Florida
    *
    There is not even a debate about that Gigi! I lived there for two years, and have visited every few years or so as my brother lives out there.

  133. herdfan says:

    Tim, I’m so sorry to hear about your friend. Wish I could say something that makes you feel better and makes sense of it. Truth is, it just sucks.

  134. getterdone says:

    Damn, I was hoping OD liked my post 1 min after his last post. 😦
    He’s become a hot n run specialist, or didn’t like it at all.

  135. Brian in NY says:

    14: R1P14
    WR DEVANTE PARKER
    LOUISVILLE
    47: R2P15
    RB TODD GURLEY
    GEORGIA
    114: R4P15
    G ALI MARPET
    HOBART
    149: R5P13
    OT SEAN HICKEY
    SYRACUSE
    150: R5P14
    CB CHARLES GAINES
    LOUISVILLE
    190: R6P15
    S ADRIAN AMOS
    PENN STATE

  136. Try Pod says:

    First, they bring back “24” for a short season. Now, they are bringing back “The X Files” for a six episode arc. Neither are shows I ever really got into. However, if they’d do something similar with “Firefly”, I might arrange to watch that.. Browncoats- Unite!

  137. Tim Knight says:

    Brian, it’s heartbreaking on so many levels.

  138. jetsssuck says:

    why don’t you and your friends help the child during her lifetime. Birthdays, school projects, another words a life choice. My wife did this for walmart employee that was killed and he left behind a daughter. This kid will never go without with the funds from walmart foundation. My wife loves doing it and she says their is no more satisfaction than the time she spends with this kid and her mother . A group of you guys can make a major difference.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Crowder owned his ass!

    • jahndoh says:

      I struggle with this because I can’t stand Crowder. Crowder talks over everyone, and is notorious for saying stupid shit. So now he’s going to take McCain to task for a tweet?

      This is a good lesson in (why not to use) twitter. He now has to defend himself from looking like he was defending a rapist and deal with pricks like Crowder when it would’ve been so easy to not say anything at all. Social media encourages social mistakes. Him making that tweet was case in point.

  139. jahndoh says:

    Tim,

    An Irish wake starts with a lot of “keening” which is wailing and mourning, but it quickly moves on to the party portion and it’s not a time for tears, it’s a time for celebrating the life of the deceased. I wish you +vibes while you go through this period of mourning, but I also wish you great memories and many smiles when you get to the point you’re ready to celebrate his life.

    Cheers man +++++vibes.

  140. Ken says:

    What’s up FUers? Just get me to the draft. Perriman blowing things up to date. I wonder if it makes a difference on the top 3 or 4 WRs in the draft. If that time was legit he just might be a 1st round talent and perhaps somebody like Devante Parker lands in our lap at 14.

    • jahndoh says:

      I don’t know if that’s enough to push him into top 15 status, but if it were to drop one of the other top 3 guys to us, it’d be great. I think it’s more likely he goes in the first round now, but a one off 40 time seems like it shouldn’t be enough to change his fate all that much.

      • Ken says:

        4.25 is pretty rarefied air. Not many guys go that fast. If Al Davis were still alive I think we know who would be going at no. 4.

      • Ken says:

        BTW I agree that it is unlikely to change the top 3 status but I wouldn’t mind if it did. I would love for either White, Cooper or Parker to fall to us.

      • jahndoh says:

        Very fair point on Al Davis.

  141. wyoming85 says:

    This will make you feel better about the Fins!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA-xjcLUUAECw4c.jpg:large

  142. getterdone says:

    Wyoming, or this!

  143. wyoming85 says:

    20 cheerleaders VS. TannyHill?

    Joking right? 😉

  144. getterdone says:

    Ken, I’d be tempted to take Perriman over Parker. I think Parker is close to his ceiling, and Perriman still will develop quite a bit more….IMO.

    • Ken says:

      I like Parker more. His size and catch radius is awesome and he is plenty fast. I think he is going be a stud.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I actually think Parker has a high ceiling
      and has a lot of things he needs to work on

      To me between Perriman and Parker it’s not even close
      Parker by a mile

      But Perriman may have moved himself ahead of Parker in the eyes of many scouts I’m pretty sure he moved ahead if Strong

      I think your guy DGB and Perriman may bust up the whole order of he WRs in the draft
      DGB and Perriman could easily push some other quality prospects down

      I’m licking my chops at the prospect of drafting strong in the 2nd round

  145. Ken says:

    Perriman certainly helped himself today but I still think there is a bust factor with him. Smaller school, inconsistent hands but ceiling is high on the kid. I think he is my no. 5 WR in the draft. I would take in this order: Cooper, White, Parker and Strong before I take Perriman. But top of the draft for WR is looking real good right now.

  146. jahndoh says:

    Cheers everyone. My thoughts are with ya Tim. Cheers to Jim when I tip my beer tonight!

  147. The Flying Pig says:

    (Piggy farts in the blog and then flies away)

  148. The Flying Pig says:

    What did McCain say about sharper

  149. Ken says:

    What’s up Piggy?

  150. son of a son of a shula says:

    UCF has impeccable facilities. They most likely ran in the indoor practice facility today. Between the indoor facility, the outdoor facilities, or even the stadium Perriman had a great surface to run on.

    Now all of a sudden he’s in the conversation, lol, told you all along he was big and fast. Didn’t think he’d go that fast but he certainly always pulled away from anyone who was unfortunate enough to be behind him. And he’ll go make the tough yards over the middle too.

    I wonder if J-ville says screw it and spends another 3rd pick (1st round) on a UCF’er to pair with Blake. Interesting.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I guess blake is familiar enough with him to make it worth while

      Might be a good idea

      I hope Perriman pushes another WR down

      • Ken says:

        Watch DGB and Perriman be the first 2 WRs off the board. I would be screaming woo hoo at the TV if that happens.

    • Ken says:

      Your guy really helped himself today. I said above if Al Davis were alive he would be the no. 4 pick.

  151. The Flying Pig says:

    Sharper didn’t get life right?

  152. wyoming85 says:

    The Flying Pig says:

    March 25, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    That is stupid

    Like one has anything to do with the other
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That is STUPID in more ways than I care to think about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  153. son of a son of a shula says:
  154. getterdone says:

    Guys, don’t you think if Perriman & DGB push the other big WR’s down, that maybe they are better receivers??? Think about it, why be all excited about Strong then in the 2nd?…lol

    But regardless, I think this is another deep WR class, should be something for most teams and the type of system they run or the type of body/speed they need.

    • Ken says:

      Not necessarily. Certain teams and GMs fall in love with the measureables which is why guys like Darrius Heyward Bey get drafted really high but clearly was not the best WR in that draft.

      • getterdone says:

        Measurables are certainly a 1/3 of the process.

      • Ken says:

        But many GMs fall in love with them and you see the Darrius Heyward Bey’s and Mike Mamula’s of this world get drafted. So the 1/3 sometimes gets more weight than that.

    • Ken says:

      By that reasoning Todd Blackledge was a better QB than Dan Marino.

  155. getterdone says:

    Ken he got 9 in CA & 20 in LA, to run concurrently.

  156. son of a son of a shula says:

    I think we get ourselves so boxed in on here sometimes. It’s about talent in the first round if that meets need then fine but you have to get the best players in round one. Perriman, DGB, Gurley (assuming full recovery) are amazing athletes, the pros won’t miss that. And if you don’t think we take a DE watch Fowler slide a little, we’d pounce or watch Beasley make it to 14 – snag… yeah a lot will happen and it will be much different than what the FU scripted. It always is.

    • getterdone says:

      True, we can only watch the internet & tv….scouts & GM’s have live views, interviews, etc etc.

      • getterdone says:

        Plus they get lots of inside type info from friends in the biz, i.e. other coaches etc.

    • Ken says:

      If Fowler or Beasley slide to 14 I can see us taking one of them. By all mocks I have seen they are both gone in the top 10. 5 DEs are consistently mocked in the top 10. I don’t see them there at 14.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        I’m saying if Fowler slides past 5 someone, maybe us, will pounce up to get him. Not that the stej would trade with us but my point is Fowler will go super early or he becomes a steal.

      • Ken says:

        Son:
        I don’t see us trading up for a DE. I can see it at WR and I can see us taking a DE if one fell to 14 which I don’t think will happen.

  157. The Flying Pig says:

    GDP

    I’m thinking push quality down to the 2nd round

    If we there are 6th first round caliber WRs
    There is a good chance 2 are selected in the 2nd round

    And you don’t kill your chance of landing a 1at round graded WR by trading back

    • The Flying Pig says:

      And for what it’s worth
      I have always though DGB could be the 1st WR off the board

      I just think he might be completely off our board

      • Ken says:

        Too much off the field risk for DGB to be the no. 1 WR drafted imo. Talent yes but with his domestic violence issues and the fact that it is a hot button issue for the league right now, I would be surprised if he is taken that early. My prediction, no. 32 to the Pats. It’s the kind of move that everyone fawns all over Bellicheck for.

  158. The Flying Pig says:

    Purportedly
    Gregory is dripping and is the pass rusher most likely to drop

  159. son of a son of a shula says:

    I still think Cooper is our target and we’re willing to move up to get him. JMO

    • Ken says:

      Yessssss. I am big fan of Amare Cooper. Most complete and polished WR of the draft. May not have the upside of White but I think he can play at a high level from day 1.

  160. The Flying Pig says:

    Some Perriman highlights

    I admit, at least in the highlights, he catches The ball better than my first impression

    How is he so wide open though
    I have to think the level of completion is a bit questionable

  161. getterdone says:

    Good discussion gents…I gots to go.

  162. The Flying Pig says:

    Cooper will make an impact as a rookie
    He is probably the most nfl ready WR

  163. wyoming85 says:

    Man oh Man’
    Walker didn’t like that tweet from McCain!

    Chiefen Walker ‏@ChiefenWalker · 5m5 minutes ago
    F U Chris McCain. F’ME Dolphins Fans no longer support you

  164. bookman11 says:

    Happy to be in Treasure Island Fl for 10 days.

  165. The Flying Pig says:

    Son

    Wedge may have to check out Perriman

    Is it raw speed or is he setting up the DB to guess wrong (piggy shrugs)
    I know speed kills
    But the later is usually more effective in the NFL IMO

    Some of those DBs were like 5 yards back
    They may have guessed wrong
    And some times that is bc the WR made them guess wrong

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      No because the film on him would tell any D to not let him get behind you. You can’t jump routes when he’ll beat you deep. He’s fluid with that short area quickness to get a move on a guy.

  166. Ken says:

    Alright guys I have to be in court early tomorrow. I am out. Peace to you all.

  167. Tim Knight says:

    Thanks, Jahn. The services are Saturday and a friend of ours’ band is playing that night at one of our old stomping grounds. He was actually a drummer in a band I was in many moons ago. We’re trying to get a bunch of us there after the services.

    My group of friends were all about getting a nice buzz and laughing, and that’s what we’ll do. We have hundreds of stories over the years that we’ll reminisce about. We will celebrate our time with Jim and try to grieve in a positive way. Part of the problem for us is he’s the first to go from our big group so it’s new to us and very difficult.

    I just lost my uncle who I was very close to so the feeling of mortality is still very real to me and I personally am trying to come to grips with life and what it’s all about.

    Thanks to everyone for your kind words.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Peace Tim. I hope you weather these storms alright you are a good man. Peace to Jim and to his family.

  168. bookman11 says:

    Son,
    Yes, St Pete Beach

  169. Tim Knight says:

    I would not be surprised if we traded up for Aamri Cooper. I think he’s Landry ready but more gifted in size and speed. He would make us better right away. You want a jolt of now, he’s even better than Keenan Allen out of the gate.

  170. The Flying Pig says:

  171. steveccnv says:

    4.15 40 for Perriman? That was the unofficial time, they said it was 4.22. He doesn’t look that fast.

  172. Randy says:

    Tim,
    I’m just catching up and was saddened to see that you lost a friend. A few years ago, I went through losing a friend I’d grown up with from birth through high school. I had a huge crush on her, and she was actually the first girl to kiss me…on a school bus in, like, 5th grade. She was also the first to pass from our class…at 44.

    The morning I found out about it, I was sitting in a staff meeting at work. In a daze, I found myself getting up and going out into the hallway…and crying for 5 minutes. Her death hit me harder than I could’ve imagined. It was a changing point in the lives of many of her friends, as we came to find out as we reminisced. The unfairness, the mortality, the realness of death…as if we had all been slapped in the face by life and didn’t much like it.

    Later, we were all able to smile…and remember her laugh…how she always seemed to be happy….a woman everyone liked. A friend.

  173. Tim Knight says:

    I think we’re going for it this year. Signed Suh and next is Tannehill. Don’t pay a 2016 1st round pick.

    The #14 and next years #1 to go up up and get Cooper. He reminds me of Boldin and Wayne combined. He’s a bigger and faster version of Landry. He would make us very difficult to defend.

    Landry, Cameron/Sims, Stills, Cooper, and Miller/Williams could be a really good offense.

    When you get right down to it, what is the pick, the FA or the player acquired through the draft? What does he do for us? Cooper is the perfect fit for what we’re running in Miami.

    I know some are saying WTF, Tim, but do you want to win or keep developing?

    I have a gut feeling Cooper will be good wherever he goes.

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