A Sonny Football Fantasy

A  Sonny Football Fantasy

I Love My Mother-in-law

 by son of a son of a shula


I’ve known my mother in law for what will be 30 years this year, thirty years. I’ve never had any issues with her we get along fine and she professes to love me – BUT SHE MAKES ME INSANE.

You see my wife and I went over there last Saturday so that I could move a recliner from the upstairs to the downstairs because my father in law had hurt his back and needed the chair downstairs so he could rest comfortably. So knowing I had to go over there I had to prepare myself. We go to the Ale House and I ordered my first beer, I said make it big gesturing with my hands to make it about a foot tall. That’s a good start. Next come the wings – hot. Next another mammoth beer followed by one more for good measure. See where this going.

On the way gurgling starts, a little pressure as well and there I am having to poop. Thinking in my head that there’s no way I can “go” over there. Ain’t gonna happen. Talk it down Son you can make it home, come on you can do this. Well no such luck. I HAD to go. The bathroom is kind of right off the living room just around a corner heading to a bedroom.

So I move the chair and everyone seemed pre-occupied so I slip away to the bathroom to take care of biz. It was fine and you’ll be glad to know it went well. Hell there was even Lysol in there (they must have been expecting me). I finish, I spray like crazy and go back to the living room. My wife and I had been out shopping getting her clothes for my daughters upcoming wedding next month. As she goes to try something on my MIL actually said, “did he use Lysol? I can smell it a little”. Yes I felt very comfortable- NOT.

Kim is trying on an outfit and while she is gone my MIL proceeds to tell me that ever since she was young that she never smelled. I’m glass faced staring at the TV and my FIL is silent and I can see him out of the corner of my eye giving her the kill sign. In my mind I’m flabbergasted, who says this stuff to people. She continued and I heard all about her stomach issues.  So there you go she effectively told me her shit don’t stink but mine does.

Well I got to thinking of how wonderful it is to have Suh on our team. Here’s a guy who doesn’t take shit from anyone. Think about it – teams won’t be able to impose their will on our D, we have the ultimate enforcer. Games where we have a slim lead and teams think they can do what the Packers did to us won’t happen anymore. Suh won’t let them. Like his own Lions did to us, Suh would have sacked Stafford.

We don’t necessarily need that enforcer on offense what we need on offense is to be a machine. Imagine a close game, back and forth, it’s getting late and we have a 2 point lead and the ball. Miller running and getting chunks of yards because Amari Cooper has sliced and diced the opposition like a surgeon. Out routes, slants, deep middle they can’t cover him. Cameron Jordon feasts on single coverage while Jarvis Landry owns the middle of the field. You can’t bring the Safety up and risk Stills catching one deep to go down 9 you just have to try to contain Miller and the run game.

We need the high end receiver that does it all. Not a one trick pony not a guy decent enough to start but a guy who defenses just can’t find an answer to. A guy who’s shit don’t stink.

Trade up and get Amari Cooper and let’s go be a playoff team.


They live pretty far from us and it’s a long trip home so I said, excuse me right before we left to go to the bathroom again. This time – NO Lysol. I love my mother in law.

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441 Responses to A Sonny Football Fantasy

  1. getterdone says:

    I still like Darren Waller as our big WR should we miss or pass on one early in the draft.

  2. getterdone says:

    This makes me cringe a little bit. 😯

    The South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports the Dolphins are finalizing an extension with C Mike Pouncey.
    The deal is expected to be in the range of Maurkice Pouncey’s five-year, $44 million contract with the Steelers, with between $20-25M guaranteed. Miami wanted to extend Pouncey last offseason, but off-field concerns forced the Dolphins to pick up his 2015 option. Pouncey should be paid as one of the top centers in the league.

  3. Mike E. says:


    With ya on White. I think he has a lot of potential, and a higher ceiling than Cooper. That being said, I think Cooper is going to be a very good WR, but I think White could be special.

  4. Mike E. says:

    If any of you Stephen King fans are lurking, it appears as if the Dark Tower series is finally coming to the silver screen! I am so frigging stoked! I can’t wait! I’ve already waited so long, I’m really excited!

    • jetsssuck says:

      is the series as spooky as last night with unusual events recalled by you,Tim and Herd? I had to sleep with a extra nightlight last night

  5. Tim Knight says:

    Mike E, I doubt Pouncey played at 100% last year even though he made no excuses. Then he had to change positions after playing center four years in a row going back to college. He’s a better center for us and I think he’ll thrive in our ZBS with his 2nd level blocking ability.

  6. Tim Knight says:

    I know some people are down on Pouncey here but he’s considered a top center by his peers. That’s the market for a top center. This is an investment in Tannehill as well by surrounding him with quality OL.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I agree
      Locking up a guy before he hits the market is key

      Can you imagine if we let him go

      “Oh the OL needs work”

      Keeping good players is usually a path to success

      • Tim Knight says:

        Right, but too many fans worry about player salaries and the cap when there are ways to make it work. I would guess a lot of dead cap money will come off the books next year.

        If we let Pouncey hit FA there would be plenty of teams looking to sign him to the same type of deal.

  7. stangerx says:

    Headline from Bloomberg: “Nancy Reagan Gives Her Endorsement to … Hillary Clinton.”

    Hit the link and you get: “We fell for a hoax. As soon as we realized our error, we issued a retraction. We apologize to our readers.”

    Least they fessed up solid.

  8. stangerx says:

    ” So there you go she effectively told me her shit don’t stink but mine does. Well I got to thinking of how wonderful it is to have Suh on our team.”

    LMAO Son….the piece is beautiful. Even if there was more, it would be just for that. 🙂

  9. The Flying Pig says:

    The other thing about Pouncey is he should be playing center not OG

  10. Tim Knight says:

    Would anyone here have a problem with us trading our #14 and Dion Jordan and maybe some other mild compensation to move up to #5? The reason I say this is because Washington needs pass rushers and we have some depth there. With Wake and Vernon, we then have Shelby, Fede and McCain as options.

    This regime has shown they are willing to move players they don’t see fit and maybe they feel Jordan is a bit of an albatross and are willing to move on from him too. The Skins play a 3-4 and Jordan may be a better fit there. Not trying to degrade Jordan and his upside or even suggest this would happen, just thinking about scenarios.

    • The Flying Pig says:


      I would do that

      Although I haven’t given up on Jordan yet

      • Tim Knight says:

        I agree, the reason I mentioned it is because we have other options. If the team feels McCain can do what Jordan does as a OLB/edge rusher along with Shelby and Fede giving us some more stout guys who can also serve as pass rushing DTs at times, we might have too many eggs in one basket.

  11. The Flying Pig says:


    DeAndre Hopkins was the best WR of the 2013 draft

    And I oinked that!!!

  12. wyoming85 says:

    Nope No trade for Miami
    @ firsts for a WR?????????????

  13. wyoming85 says:

    Your score is: 6806 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Damarious Randall, FS, Arizona State (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 20 (PHI): Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Josue Matias, OG, Florida State (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Jordan Hicks, OLB, Texas (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland (B+)-

  14. Mike E. says:


    Nah, not scary at all. It’s more a fantasy old time western mixed in with some modern action. Stephen King is a great storyteller, and this didn’t disappoint.

  15. stangerx says:

    This ain’t photo-shopped. Actual pic from a fashion show in Russia. They were trying to pick up on the Crimea take over theme.

  16. getterdone says:

    If White, Cooper, & Parker are likely gone before #14…then we need to try to trade down a few spots if we can.
    Cause I have a feeling 5 WR’s will be selected in the 1st round with Perriman & DGB going between say 23-32.
    I’d sure hate to miss on one of those two big guys!!!

  17. wyoming85 says:

    There is nobody in this draft I trade 2 first round picks for!

  18. getterdone says:

    Protect Tanny & keep giving him Weapons!!!

  19. getterdone says:

    Wyoming, my key word was BIG guys…we already have WR’s Hardy like.

  20. Mike E. says:

    Your score is: 6838 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 24 (ARI): Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (B)
    Round 2 Pick 15: D.J. Humphries, OT, Florida (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (A)
    Round 3 Pick 22 (ARI): D’Joun Smith, CB, Florida Atlantic (A)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Jordan Hicks, OLB, Texas (B)
    Round 5 Pick 13: MyCole Pruitt, TE, Southern Illinois (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Tyler Varga, FB, Yale (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Karlos Williams, RB, Florida State (A+)

    • getterdone says:

      Love them all except the 2 wasted 5th round picks 🙂

    • Tim Knight says:

      Pretty good but I don’t see two RBs with Miller, Williams and Gillislee. The org has said they like Williams’ upside. Miller is the #1 back for sure. We use mainly one back sets so RB is not a deep depth position, 3-4 tops.

      You know I wonder if we utilize James as more of a receiver, end-around guy and return man – kind of like Marcus Thigpen?

  21. getterdone says:

    Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
    Alex Mack was previously NFL’s highest paid center at $8.8M annual average salary. I’m told Pouncey’s deal is slightly higher.
    He will also be surpassing his bro Maurkice.

  22. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I think moving up this year is a dumb move, but with this FO you never know. If anything I would trade back not up

    • Tim Knight says:

      So what did Hickey do that was so bad? Did you like adding Suh and jettisoning so many big contracts for average players cleansing Ireland’s 2013 spending spree that resulted in two 8-8 seasons?

  23. Mike E. says:


    Not all 5th RD pick TE’s are a waste. Pruitt has some talent, very Charles Clay like. I could see him making it here.

  24. Mike E. says:


    Or he might play a lot if Cameron goes down. I would hate for that to happen, but I’m not confident he’s going to make it through the whole season, or maybe even half of it. Seriously.

  25. getterdone says:

    Tim, I know any new TE will be stuck behind Sims & Cameron, but Cameron needs to show he can last a full season. I HOPE HE DOES!!!
    So with that, it will depend on where the staff feels guys like Lynch, Stoneburner, & Robinson, & Taylor are….if they have hopes for any of them, then we’ll likely pass on TE in the draft, maybe sign one as UDFA, like AJ Derby…I like him in that spot.

  26. getterdone says:

    James Walker ✔ @JamesWalkerNFL
    According to @AdamSchefter, #Dolphins C Mike Pouncey’s five-year extension is worth $52.15 million with $22 million guaranteed.

  27. The Flying Pig says:

    08 (GRADE: B+)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 23 (DET): Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 16 (S.D.): Laken Tomlinson, OG, Duke (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 20 (PHI): Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 22 (DET): Devin Funchess, WR/TE, Michigan (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 4 (JAX): Denzel Perryman, ILB/OLB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (B)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Karlos Williams, RB, Florida State (A+)

    Love those trade downs

  28. Tim Knight says:

    GD and Mike E, you don’t pay a guy like Cameron 2 years $15M without thinking he can be a top performer. Yes his concussion past is a concern, but his skills are high level as a playmaker. That’s all we should be focused on until we find out otherwise. The Bills might find that Clay’s knee is more of an issue than they expected. Teams gravitate towards talent, not projecting injury. You see it all the time.

    • Ken says:

      Cameron is one solid hit away from being done. That leaves Sims as the only guy on our roster who has any experience at TE. We are pretty thin at the position and I think we either draft some one or pick some one else up to shore up the position.

      • Tim Knight says:

        We already did last year in Lynch but I know how that goes. LOL

      • Ken says:

        I know we tried to do that with Lynch last year but he didn’t get on the field due to injury so we really don’t know what we have with him. It’s hard to go into the season with Sims as the only sure thing we have at TE. Cameron may work out great but if he doesn’t we are into a lot of unknowns at TE.

    • Mike E. says:

      Right, but many times those risks backfire. Hell, I know how freaking talented he is, i wouldn’t have touched him. Hope I’m wrong, I really do.

  29. Ken says:

    What’s up FUers?

    • stangerx says:

      How you doing Hulk/Bruce/Ken? Sorry about your friend. Life is both precious and unpredictable.

      • Ken says:

        Been pretty hectic Stanger. Lots of stuff going on with my mom in addition to the normal stuff like work and kids and what not. Between that and the new job it has cut heavily into my blogging time.

      • stangerx says:

        We were just talking earlier about how happy we are that you don’t blog so much anymore. 🙂

        Not sure what is up with your Mom, but you know my experience with mine. On the other end of the phone if you ever want.

  30. Mike E. says:

    Hey Ken! What up?

    BTW – Do you know the guy Nick Fradiani on American idol this season? I think he’s from your town

    • Ken says:

      I don’t know him but they were having some kind of viewing party at the high school gym for him the other night. I was not in attendance. The only thing I really liked about American Idol is when Simon would belittle the contestants and now we don’t even have that.

      • Mike E. says:

        LOL! Simon was good. I actually like the judges they have now. J-lo is pretty much Paula, but Harry and Keith are both good.

  31. Tim Knight says:

    Ken, I hope your Mom is okay. I’m not up on that?

    • Ken says:

      She has not been good for several years now but just lots of administrative stuff to do with her care right now as the nursing home she is in is closing and her funds are exhausted so I am in the title 19 application process now.

  32. Ken says:

    Waiting for the draft sucks. I am so jonesing for some football now.

  33. Mike E. says:


    Go on some spinning rides, that ought to help you out with your green gills. lol

  34. Mike E. says:


  35. Tim Knight says:

    I actually think Sims as long he’s durable can give us quality play at TE. Our offense is QB, one back and 3-4 receiver based. We made Clay a part of it because we had him and his skill set. He’s gone now.

    I view Cameron as more of a mismatch option than Clay in the vertical game. He’s not as physical as Clay was in open field. But he might run through it faster. We’ll see.

  36. stangerx says:

    Amazing……and this is his Mom. Think about what NFL guys have to deal with from their high school crew.
    “After Phillip Buchanon was taken by the Raiders with the 17th overall pick in the 2002 NFL Draft, one of the first people he heard from was his mom. What didn’t make sense to Buchanon though was what his mom wanted. The woman who raised him said he owed her $1 million for the child rearing. ”

    Here’s an excerpt Buchanon’s book, “New Money: Staying Rich.”

    “Soon after the draft, she told me that I owed her a million dollars for raising me for the past 18 years. According to Buchanon, his mom had joked about the $1 million payment before, but she never sounded serious about it until after the Raiders drafted him.”

    In the end, Buchanon didn’t give his mom the million dollars, but he did end up buying her house. However, that turned into a disaster.

    “When I told my mother she would have to take care of the maintenance after I paid off the mortgage on her house, she told me she would not be able to afford the upkeep on a house that big. In fact, she made it seem like it was my fault for picking out a house that big.”.

    Buchanon offered to buy his mom a smaller house. Only this time, Buchanon gave his mom a choice: I’ll buy you a house or give you $15,000 in cash.

  37. finfanrob says:

    just thought some of you, ok one of you, might like to see tomorrows festivities


  38. jahndoh says:

    Piggy, compile 2 years of stats and it’s Keenan. 😛

    Your oink stinks!

    (jk, I honestly called Hopkins the 2nd best of that group. I thought he was kind of slightly built but I think that was because his big hair made him look skinny. 🙂 )

  39. getterdone says:

    Go Gosselin!!! Wooot!

  40. getterdone says:

    Bravos Win 🙂

  41. rgs322 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    “Would anyone here have a problem with us trading our #14 and Dion Jordan and maybe some other mild compensation to move up to #5? ”

    If the FO is so hell-bent on moving up for a WR, then that would be much easier to accept than giving up a future (2016) 1st round pick.

  42. jetsssuck says:


    wht do u guys think of this guy in the later rounds.He played at UF before transferring and he played OLB/DE.He has the size and weight toplay the hybrid DE/OLB position

  43. wyoming85 says:

    This is what I’ve been thinking

    BrianCat ‏@BrianCat13 · 9h9 hours ago
    Imagine LG La’El C Pouncey RG Turner RT James.. all under 25, under contract for 3 more years. Plus.. La’El or James can flip to LT.

    BrianCat ‏@BrianCat13 · 9h9 hours ago
    .. to eventually replace Branden Albert.

  44. wyoming85 says:


  45. rgs322 says:

    Oh, hell yea to Scherff too. I just think he’ll go first and at least there’s a small chance Collins could fall to us.

  46. wyoming85 says:

    If Albert were healthy I wouldn’t even think OL!
    But we need at least 6 starter quality OL to make it through the season!
    If we have 7 then someone who has an OL go down will be on the phone wanting to give us somebody for one of them!

    Wouldn’t that be a great position to be in for a change?

  47. Mike E. says:

    Yessir Wyo and rgs! Get me La’el Collins in the 1st, and either Perriman, Agholor, Coates or Dorsett in the 2nd. BOOM!

  48. wyoming85 says:

    I saw Jake Fisher listed as an OG on a mock the other day!

    Read up a little and he may be another option in the 2nd if he lasts?


  49. wyoming85 says:

    Another option in the 4th
    ( an MF13 favorite )

  50. getterdone says:

    Braves Win!

  51. Mike E. says:


    DJ Humphries is another that’s a late 1st RD, early 2nd RD guy that could help us

  52. rgs322 says:

    I really like the versatile OL guys. …Collins, Scherff, Erving, Fisher,

  53. Brian in NY says:

    I’ll have to say, I’m a little nervous about the way Tannenbaum is coming in here and throwing around money. I hope that he isn’t simply gearing up for a 2-3 year run, and he is building the team the right way.

    • Mike E. says:

      It seems that’s precisely what he’s doing, but I’m not even sure it’s a 3 YR plan, more likely a 1-2 YR plan.

  54. wyoming85 says:

    The flip side to all of this is Danny Shelton is there!

    I could see us taking him and going 3-4

    Might be the Jordan mystery?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      No 3-4 with Suh

      That is completely wasting his talent

      We are 4-3 all the way from here in out

      Jordan better find a spot in the 4-3

  55. wyoming85 says:

    Suh would be a monster DE!!!!!!

  56. getterdone says:

    Brian, why so testy? lol…don’t tell me you’re a Mutts fan too? 😉

  57. wyoming85 says:

    My we go 3-4 draft

    Your score is: 6476 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14: Danny Shelton, DT, Washington (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Paul Dawson, OLB/ILB, TCU (B)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Josue Matias, OG, Florida State (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Justin Cox, FS/CB, Mississippi State (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Cameron Artis-Payne, RB, Auburn (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Austin Hill, WR, Arizona (A)

  58. Try Pod says:

    Driving back home today- should be home around 11pm, traffic allowing

  59. The Flying Pig says:


    If Shelton fell to 14 I would be inclined to take him

    I might not take Dawson at out LB though
    I would be looking at Perryman

    No one would ever run on us again…lol

  60. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike E. says:
    April 11, 2015 at 8:25 am (Edit)
    Yessir Wyo and rgs! Get me La’el Collins in the 1st, and either Perriman, Agholor, Coates or Dorsett in the 2nd. BOOM!


    But where are my LBs

    Piggy wants LBs!!!

    • wyoming85 says:

      In the 4th!
      Jeeze that’s this many trotters 1111

    • stangerx says:

      My Q too Pig. Our need are LB, WR and G. Unless we trade down, one of those is going have to come from FA. No matter who it is, signing a player at one of those positions would really clear up our options.

  61. stangerx says:

    I’m reading about maybe going 3-4, and my thought is that we might see a bunch of 5-2 sets next year. The D-Line is our strength.

    • steveccnv says:

      Going 3-4 doesn’t seem to be an option, since we aren’t really set personnel-wise to use it, if we were going that route we wouldn’t have gotten Suh, nor gotten rid of Odrick.

      • stangerx says:

        Preaching to the quire on that one. And lets add in that Vernon and Wake ain’t 3-4 DE’s…….which I guess is the flip side of that.

  62. stangerx says:

    Four days of deliberations with no verdict and still nothing from Aaron Hernandez jury.

    Always hard to read into such, but if at least a good chunk of them wanted to vote not guilty it would be over already cause it has to be unanimous. At the same time, clearly some of them are leaning the other way too.

  63. Mike E. says:


    It seems as if there will be a bunch of LB’s in the 4th RD available, likely Hull, Hicks, Heeney, Emanuel, Ryan etc. . . .

    We’ll have to see what they think our bigger priority is. You might be right about LB, or they think Tripp and/or Sheppard are good to go.

    • steveccnv says:

      I’ve heard many times that Philbin loves Misi, and that he won’t be replaced (he’s starting somewhere). With that said I don’t think one of our top priorities is at LB, sure it’s a need, but I don’t think we’ll be drafting one that will be expected to start this yr. Misi and Jenkins will handle two spots and the other spot may be by committee, how often is that 3rd guy even on the field? We have lots of guys to handle those 30 to 40 snaps.

      • stangerx says:

        That is a good point on the 3rd LB. Not sure about if the Phins are different but in today’s NFL teams go nickel almost 50% of the time. You just made me worry less about getting an LB. We could even pick up a 2-downer at cap cut time if they are confident in Misi and Jenkins as the two when it is 3rd and seven.

  64. Mike E. says:

    Steve, I agree on Misi. Even if he doesn’t play MLB, he’ll move to SLB, which leaves either Sheppard or Tripp on the inside or outside., or maybe they do draft someone to compete with those 2.

    • steveccnv says:

      Don’t forget McCain, I think he’s going to be a beast soon.

      • Mike E. says:

        Yeah, I did forget McCain. Still not sure if he’s just a pass rusher, or if they really have plans for him at LB

      • steveccnv says:

        McCain will be in the mix for PT at the 3rd LB spot and some Dline in the dime. What he does with those plays will determine how often he plays this yr. Unless we use a first on LB a drafted rookie most likely won’t be starting the season.

    • jahndoh says:

      Jenkins didn’t make this post? I’m jumping in late to the convo..maybe I missed something.

  65. stangerx says:

    I missed it when Starks signed with the Browns — he got 2 years, $6.5 mil, with a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $3,000,000 guaranteed…..that’s pretty much a one year contract.

    Obviously we probably could have matched and kept him for about half what he got last year. And all the teams watch the tape and know more about it than we do. Sounds like the consensus was a man on the decline.

    • steveccnv says:

      Why is this a one yr contract? He’ll get $3 mil this yr and $3.5 next yr.

      I could see it being a one yr contract, because you think he’s washed up, but having only 667,000 in dead money in no way constitutes a one yr contract.

      Most players wouldn’t have taken the big pay cut to play for the same team, so I don’t think us resigning him to this type of contract would’ve happened.

      • jahndoh says:

        I agree with the first part, but I refuse to believe he wouldn’t rather have stayed in Miami for that money rather than uproot and move to Cleveland.

      • jahndoh says:

        Not that it bothers me at all. It’s about resource utilization and Suh and Wake mean there’s little room for any other veteran contracts above the minimum.

      • steveccnv says:

        He’s almost surely been told by the team that he wouldn’t be starting, so that might have played into it to. Good point on veteran contracts above the minimum.

      • stangerx says:

        steveccnv — I call it basically a one-year cause all his guaranteed money will be used up this season. The remaining pro-rate on the cap will be a factor in 2017…..but that’s chump change pretty much.

      • jahndoh says:

        Good point about playing time too. I sometimes forget that a little more than money sometimes goes into these decisions. I still think its mostly money, but when it comes to breaking a tie, hometowns or playing time or opportunity to compete for a championship all have to enter into the equation.

      • stangerx says:

        And sorry — should have added he very well might play out the contract, but just saying the 2nr year is more like an option.

  66. steveccnv says:

    Another reason you draft LBs is to play STs, but don’t expect that type of pick to be prior to the 5th rd. Word is we’ll be picking an LB at some point, and seems we always seem to, like when we took Jenkins.

  67. Tim Knight says:

    Wyo, Jordan no longer carries a 1st round value. It doesn’t matter what Ireland used to get him, that was in the past. Jordan is just a player with upside now.

  68. stangerx says:

    So if you are Tiger Woods and you trail Jordan Spieth by 12 after two rounds in the Masters…..what’s you move?

    Tiger’s was to spend “extra time in scoring after his round, telling Augusta National officials that they ought to turn on their subterranean turf conditioning system to suck some of the moisture and forgiveness out of the greens here.”

    As Tiger put it, “If they turn on the Sub-Airs, they can suck the moisture out of this thing and get them firm. Or, they can live with it like it is, and we can go out there and make a bunch of birdies.”
    Tiger may be the Belichick of golf.

    And wonder if any of the vet golfers suggested similar when he was the young kid proudly striding down Augusta fairways with a huge lead.

    • stangerx says:

      One more on that I just saw…..but I’m sure it has nothing to do with it…..lol

      “After breaking the 36-hole mark, Spieth’s target is now Tiger Woods overall scoring record of 18-under 270, which was set when he was just 21 years old back in 1997.”

  69. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, if Jordan doesn’t play better than he has thus far it doesn’t matter where he was drafted, he’s not contributing enough. But as a #3 pick it’s even worse.

    • stangerx says:

      Tim — a guy who is a third DE rotation guy/special teams contributor/TE cover specialist maybe who is drafted in the 5th or 6th round who has a long NFL career is not a bust.

      A #3 pick like that is……so I do think where you were drafted matters a lot.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m talking about his overall impact. He just hasn’t done enough yet. But I did say being a #3 makes it even worse.

      • stangerx says:

        I agree third overall makes it worse. And agree that his overall impact hasn’t been enough…..I’m as disappointed as anyone. My point was if he was a 5th rounder we wouldn’t be talking about calling him a bust.

  70. Brian in NY says:

    If Jordan can’t get it done this year with Wake and Suh on this D line then he likely won’t ever amount to much in this league.

    • stangerx says:

      Still think he could make one heck of a 3-4 SOLB.

      • Tim Knight says:

        With his size and speed he should be a good pass rushing DE too. Hopefully he has a clean offseason and gets off to a good start and improves as the season goes on. Would like to see him get into the 7-8 sack range and make some impact plays like forced fumbles and batting down passes.

      • Brian in NY says:

        Agreed Stanger, but we aren’t going to a 3-4 with our DL. He’s going to make it as a DL here, or he’s moving on IMO.

  71. Tim Knight says:

    Kevin Coyle said when he watched film of the defense when he first got here, that we were in base defense like 28% of the time, the rest were nickel and dime packages. It’s hard to play base when team are using 3 and 4 WR sets so often.

  72. Tim Knight says:

    That’s why I suggested because of our depth on the DL, I wouldn’t be surprised if we moved Jordan and a 3-4 team might be interested.

  73. Brian in NY says:

    This is the guy I preferred over Jordan. I’m pretty sure Stanger first brought him up:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000484733/article/is-the-sky-the-limit-for-lions-de-ziggy-ansah

  74. Tim Knight says:

    Brian, it really is amazing how Harvey recovered from Tommy John surgery to get back to where he was. He has command of all 4 pitches – a moving fast ball 95-100, nasty slider, quality curve ball and a good change up. Crazy!

  75. jahndoh says:

    “Kevin Coyle said when he watched film of the defense when he first got here, that we were in base defense like 28% of the time, the rest were nickel and dime packages. It’s hard to play base when team are using 3 and 4 WR sets so often.”


    I’m pretty sure that stat doesn’t count 3/4 fronts as base defense, but they’re also not nickel and dime. I just think people are getting a little carried away when they insinuate we’re in nickel and dime 70% of the time. Some may see it as splitting hairs, but I don’t, I think it’s more like 60% of the time we’re in Nickel/Dime personally.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s what Coyle said and we were a 3-4 defense before he got here. He was commenting on be asked about switching to a 4-3 defense.

      • jahndoh says:

        Well in that case his stat likely didn’t include 4/3 formations into the “base” count.

        I’m not arguing what he said, I’m interpreting it. When you run a 4/3 base, do you count 3/4 reps as “base defense” when you’re counting reps? I wouldn’t.

  76. Mike E. says:

    It seemed like teams were running all over us last year, why would they put 3 and 4 WR’s on the field? 70% sounds too high, but I can see 50-60%. Maybe at the end of the season when our CB’s went down the percentage increasd. Very possible.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s what Coyle said about Nolan’s defense when he watched every game twice. All it takes to go out of your base is one extra DB. Not sure why this is such a contested debate. LOL

      • Mike E. says:

        OK, Nolan’s defense. I thought you guys were talking about our defense last year. I didn’t read back. Sorry.

    • jahndoh says:

      I don’t think it’s 70% either Mike, and I know I’m interpreting Coyles comments differently than Tim. Tim thinks (correct me if I’m wrong Tim, I know you will 😛 ) any 3/4 or 4/3 formation wouldv’e been considered base defense in that comment, I think if you’re a 3/4 team, 4/3 formations are not considered base defense.

  77. Mike E. says:


    Do your in-laws refer to you as son of a son of a son-in-law?

  78. Brian in NY says:

    It is unreal how strong Harvey came back. I’m glad they took a hard stance when he wanted to come back last September. Nothing good could have come from that.

  79. bat says:

    You’re dreaming if you think we can get anything more than a 4 in return for Jordan, an underachiever with a suspension his most notable accomplishment. …Thanks Jeffy.

    • stangerx says:

      Bat — can’t argue against that. And — yep — that was a Jeffey blow.

      Great to see you man. Guess you’ve been off fliming an infomercial for the ISIS on the proper head slicing techniques. 🙂

  80. Mike E. says:


    I would say with Chip Kelly, you never know, but with the other 31 teams, you’re probably right.

    • steveccnv says:

      Lol, like the Al Davis affect used to drive up compensation.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think it depends on what a 3-4 team values him as.

      Anyway, if Jordan is with us this year I hope he emerges this season.

      • steveccnv says:

        As long as he doesn’t cost too much after his rookie deal, I wouldn’t mind keeping him for 10 yrs with his current level of productivity. He’ll make the occasional play on D and can dominate on STs.

  81. jahndoh says:

    Mike E/Tim, comment for ya above.

  82. steveccnv says:

    Speaking of the Raiders, we should’ve kept Wheeler to use as trade bait. We could’ve traded Wheeler and our first to move up to the Raiders spot.

  83. bat says:

    Stanger … LOL ..Been busy… hard for me to post from work now. .. As for ISIS, even Satan wants nothing to do with those primitive, bloodthirsty savages…

  84. stangerx says:

    ” Johnny Manziel has been released from rehab, according to ESPN. Manziel checked into a drug and alcohol treatment facility on Jan. 28, completing over two months of treatment prior to his release.”

    That’s as of yesterday. Sounds like Manziel needed a lot longer than 28 days.

  85. bat says:

    Mike .. Yeah, Kelly is a wild card but even then, with Jordan we’re dealing from a position of weakness.

  86. Tim Knight says:

    Jahn, all Coyle was saying was there was an extra DB on the field more often than not. He was trying to explain to reporters that switching the base scheme isn’t that big a deal.

    A 3-4 goes to 3-3 with the OLBs pinning their ears back and the 4-3 goes to a 4-2 with the DEs doing the same.

  87. Tim Knight says:

    Good to see you, Bat. Who do you like for us at #14 should we stay pat?

  88. stangerx says:

    “As for ISIS, even Satan wants nothing to do with those primitive, bloodthirsty savages…”

    Bat always suspected there was something worse than hell. Long as you are sharing……where exactly in Buffalo is it?

  89. bat says:

    Tim … If we stay at 14, I like Parker if he’s there. I am open to moving up or down. I’m developing some level of trust in Hickey/Tannenbaum as I gleefully watch them jettison a good deal of 8-8 garbage…lol

  90. Mike E. says:

    LMAO @ Bat

  91. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ Bat

    Yeah, Hickey/Tannenbaum are not standing pat with the same old same old. I thought we were going to make some changes from the old guard quite a bit this offseason but it’s been more than I expected. It’s refreshing if nothing else. Trading Wallace also shows you that teams don’t take kindly to quitting on your team, at least we don’t and I like that.

  92. stangerx says:

    “We strongly feel like we’re going to be the top defense in the league and top team in the league, not just defense.”

    Could have gone quiz of the day as to who said that, but why bother? That’s Sheldon Richardson about the Yets. Guess he figured with Rexy gone….somebody has to keep the flame alive.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The Jets defense could be very good. Bowles is also a defensive guy. I think they go edge pass rusher at #6 if Mariota isn’t there or they’re not high on him.

  93. bat says:

    Tim … Wallace wasn’t the only one who quit that day. He just had the good sense to take himself off the field..

  94. jahndoh says:


    Just so you know, I understand 100% what Coyle was saying, but I brought up the mix for a reason. People are starting to propagate the notion the we’ll be in nickel or dime 70% of the time in any given season and it’s getting legs as we repeat it. I totally agree with we’re in nickel or dime “more often than not” but there’s a lot of real estate between 52% of the time and 70% of the time. Its’ just an academic point, but I think the number is closer to 60% of the time with our current team, and a lot of that is dictated by our opponents. Playing NE twice a year certainly increases that number.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed. One way to find out is if McCain is not a starting corner but is our main nickelback, keep track of his snaps. If he plays high 30s or 40s that’s likely 2/3rds of the time if opponents have 55-60ish snaps against us. Much more than that and our defense is on the field too much.

  95. The Flying Pig says:

    A new wedge scouting report is coming up at 14:00

    Anyone know what time that is?

    • jahndoh says:

      It’s 2:00PM, but I dont’ know why you have to be so time-zone pretentious by assuming we’ll all automatically know it’s ET. 😛

  96. jahndoh says:

    “Tim … If we stay at 14, I like Parker if he’s there. I am open to moving up or down. I’m developing some level of trust in Hickey/Tannenbaum as I gleefully watch them jettison a good deal of 8-8 garbage…lol”

    Wow…it must be the offseason. Even Bat is finding a reason for optimism. LOL…good to read ya Bat. Hope you’re well.

  97. bat says:

    Stanger … If you listen to the worthless hacks on NFL network, the Bills and Jests are the most fabulously awesome teams ever assembled, except for the Cheatriots of course. Apparently if the Dolphins can’t win at least 12 games they’ll be last in the AFC East …lol

  98. bat says:

    Jahn … LOL ..Thanks bro, all is well here, just been really busy .. How is my favorite adversary doing? …

  99. Mike E. says:

    Closing up shop – Might be back later! If not, enjoy this beautiful spring day!

  100. Tim Knight says:

    Bat, the team was struggling down the stretch, no doubt, but I don’t think they quit. Wallace did though and that was early in the game.

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