Even a perverted relentless hamster like myself knows there is only so much the butt can take. So rest your rears Dolfans, today we get to look at the misfortune of the rest of the NFL. Enjoy laughing at the misfortunes of other teams as I give them the poke!
Let’s start with the gold standard of all busts. In the 1998 NFL Draft there was a great QB debate. The Colts held the first overall choice, the Chargers the 2nd. Both were in the market for a QB. But who would the Colts select first, Peyton Manning, the technician with NFL bloodlines or the up and comer from Washington State, Ryan Leaf. Leaf had a rocket arm, but the Colts went conservative and selected Peyton Manning.
That left the Chargers who were pokied by yours truly. Manning is on his way to the Hall of Fame, Leaf finished his career with a more than 2 -1 Int to TD ratio and a 50 QB rating. Leaf also added an indictment for burglary and possession of a controlled substance to his legacy. The photo below illustrates how the great QB debate of 1998 worked out in the end.
Leaf might be the biggest Draft bust of all time. Until another QB rivaled him in 2007. Its not easy to be the worst pick in Raiders history but JaMarcus Russell might have achieved that. After drafting Russell with the #1 pick of the 2007 draft the Raiders proceeded to give him a 68 Million dollar contract with 31.5 guaranteed. This of course was before the rookie salary cap came into effect – actually Russell might be one of the reasons owners begged for the rookie salary cap.
Russell was a great athlete from a powerhouse team in the SEC but in the NFL, he was a great big pokey hurting butts on every coast. Some say Russell had a drug problem but I wouldn’t know anything about that…heehee…
Quarterbacks and busts in the NFL can be synonymous. Its a tough position to evaluate. I could write a whole blog on quarterback busts from the state of Ohio. But I will spare Ohio the pain.
One of the first draft busts I ever remember was a Linebacker from Oklahoma. Coming into the NFL Brian Bosworth was all hype. The Boz sold t-shirts and haircuts to tasteless fans all over the country. The hype must have gone to his head, he actually wrote letters before the supplemental draft to many NFL teams declaring that if they signed him he wouldn’t play for them. When the Seahawks ignored the letter and drafted him they signed him to the biggest rookie contract of all time at that time. He ended up playing three years for the Seahawks. Guess how this photo of an attempted tackle on Bo Jackson worked out.
Another overhyped prospect worth mentioning is Tony Mandarich. The Packers whiffed on this athletic freak they attempted to draft as the cornerstone of their offensive line. Madarich was built like the Incredible Hulk and NFL teams and Sports Illustrated, who helped build the hype at the behest of Mandarich’s agent, were excited to see this guy bulldoze defenses. But it didn’t work out that way. Some say steroid testing played a part in his quick decline. Mandarich made a comeback with the Colts years later. But trust me, that pokey hurts!
But as Dolfans, you don’t care about the misses of any of these teams do you? You want to hear about the butt hurt of the AFC East.
Let’s start with the obvious: The New York Jests. The Jests misses are countless, Marc Sanchez, Blair Thomas and Kyle Brady all come to mind. But I would rather go with something a little more recent. In 2008, the Jests were eager to see Rex Ryan’s defensive scheme at work. The centerpiece would be a premier pass rusher….heehee…they got Vernon Gholston instead…
What’s worse than wasting a first round pick on a bust – how bout wasting a first and a second round pick. That is what the Bills did in 2004. In that draft the Bills selected Lee Evans with their first round pick. They still needed a QB though. So they traded up from the second into the 22nd pick of the 2004 draft and gave up their 1st round pick in 2005 in the trade. With the 22nd pick of the 2004 draft…heehee…the Buffalo Bills select J.P. Losman….heehee. Now that’s a pokey!
And that brings us to the Cheats. If you listen to the National Media you will hear that Belicheat can do no wrong. The same media will tell you the Cheats play by the rules. But the laughing Dolphin doesn’t buy that. While Belicheat has avoided disaster in the 1st round, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds are littered with disappointments. Aaron Hernandez, Laurence Maroney, Chad Jackson, Shawn Crable, Kevin O’Connell and Brandon Tate are all examples of these misses. But for this blog I’m going with Terrence Wheatley. After 2007 the Patriots missed on a ton of defensive backs and Wheatley jumps out as the biggest miss. That’s Patriot Pokey!
Players that find their way out of the NFL in a few years are not the only way to judge busts. After all, the average NFL career is not very long. Sometimes teams just miss at a better player at the position they drafted. Like in 1983 with the New Jests on the clock with the 24th pick of the draft. As all of you know, the Jests used the pick on Quarterback Ken O’Brien.
O’Brien wasn’t half bad. He put up some big numbers on some jests teams with bad defenses. But three picks after O’Brien was selected the Dolphins selected a Hall of Famer to play Quarterback for them. Pokey works in mysterious ways. For decades the Jests will wonder why they took O’Brien over the Great Dan Marino.
Who knows who gets poked in 2015. Better hope its not the Dolphins. But Hamsters have no prejudices.
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I’d much rather read about the wasted draft picks other teams make than ours.
Good job Pig. The Phins appear to have gotten poked in 2013’s draft thus far outside of Sims.
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This was great Piggy! I really enjoyed this, and I f’n love the pic of Pokey in the black van. Awesome! Like Brian said, it’s so much more fun to revel in the misery of others, rather than our own.
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Make sure you guys looks closely at the Kenny O’Brien pic
you may miss the pokey
Dbolt, Jenkins is actually our best player from 2013 and the door is still open for a few more guys. This year will tell a lot about whether it closes or not.
Oh yeah, our kicker is also from that draft. LOL
I knew I was forgetting someone else, Jenkins, thanks for the reminder on him.
I guess we will see what happens with Jordan
right now its a bunch of rumors
I agree that Jenkins has been the best pick so far
Sims has his good points too
Taylor & Davis still have potential – but I tend to be really patient
Even if Strugis was great fromhere on out – I think the first 2 years made the pick a bad one
when you think about cap room and draft picks in the 2013 season, Ireland’s last year here may have been his worst
I guess time will tell, some of those players still have a chance to work out well, including Jordan
2013 was definitely Ireland’s worst year. 2012 he was bad with the WRs so he made up for it with a spending spree in 2013. That didn’t pan out so well. He also did a bad job with the OL in 2013 so that Hickey had to put a huge emphasis on the OL in his first season.
If the rumor of possibly flipping Jordan for Mychal Kendricks is true at least we’ll get a starting MLB and eliminate it from draft needs.
With that said I’m not positive that Mychal can man MLB.
Good write up, Piggy. Funny stuff.
Piggy, Sturgis was a 5th rd comp pick, I didn’t think it was such a bad idea. But Sturgis has not been the kicker I believe they envisioned. Hopefully he’s ready to up his game as well.
Sturgis seemed like a good pick during the pre-season of his rookie year, but once he had a few misses it seems like it has permanently given him a mental block.
Dbolt, is the Jordan for Kendricks trade a real rumor or just GD speculating?
Lots of speculation on it on social media, but as I mentioned not positive Kendricks can man MLB
That might not be where we’d play him. Misi, Jenkins and Tripp might be the guys who compete there.
True. Really impressed by Tripp’s weight gain.
Dbolt, meant to say Misi, Sheppard and Tripp.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Tripp plays MLB, he did play there last year on 2nd and 3rd teams.
Tannenbaum did say they needed to clear the roster of progress stoppers. Trusnik was one of those. Tripp could be a guy they are heavily counting on.
Jenkins played MLBS in college so still a possibility.
Yeah I thought about that afterwards.
Good point on the progress stoppers.
Yeah he said you have to let the young guys take their early lumps in order to grow into the players you envisioned when bringing them in. Sounds like he wants the young guys to play versus maxed out vets like we’ve had these last few years.
Nicely Pig, much less traumatizing than our own busts. Didn’t realize the colopokey’s love of Jets QBs when back as far as Obrien. He inspect the innards of Broadway Joe too?
Scary scene during the Pirate’s game yesterday. The woman was taken to the hospital, but was conscious as they wheeled her out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syXi7MNNikE
I still don’t get how that happened. Isn’t there a net/cage behind the plate?
There’s a net but it stretches and her head was close enough that…..
It was good to see both Albert and Davis show up yesterday with no crutches or braces. I think I saw Delmas in one of the pics wearing no protective gear too.
Dbolt, where and when did you see the Jordan for Kendricks rumors on social media? I thought it was solely my rumor/speculation idea. 😦
You are the “source” 🙂
There were plenty people speculating about. Chris Kouffman mentioned this little nugget:
@ckparrot: Discussing Eric Kendricks, Mark Dominik said he & Hickey wanted Mychal but missed him. If Mychal is on the block, expect interest from MIA.
The rest is just fan speculation.
The one concern with trading for Mychal Kendricks is that he’s a UFA next year and we already have other players who will become UFAs like Vernon and Miller.
True, but if he plays well, you could extend him before FA starts in 2016.
How much cap can we keep adding in 2016? Tannehill, Suh’s big hit, other guys who are being paid. I think we have to rely on some lower salary guys.
Tim,
You save around $6 million in 2016 if Jordan is gone this year
Suh imagining Brady’s head!
Hendricks is one of the better young LBs in the game
I don’t know how good he will be
But he appears to be really versatile and will be a good fit for us
I’m not confident in Misi/Tripp/Jenkins
But I do like Jenkins
I just think we should add more competition to the group
It would be nice to have 1 less draft need too
And I think he can play Inside or outside
I know Misi can too
And there is no reason to think Jenkins and Tripp can’t play both
It would be nice to have a few versatile LBs
But to be honest – IMO Kendricks would probably win and preseason competition handily and would be our best LB
We already do have versatility at LB and I’m not sure you’re getting much of an upgrade in this draft. Obviously the bottom line is it doesn’t matter if Piggy is confident in our LBs, but the FO. 😉
Before the defense started breaking and wearing down we were 8th against the run and 2nd against the pass through 10 games. Not sure why MLB is such a concern for everyone?
Also in terms of the Kendrivks rumor
I’m almost positive Kendricks is on the trade block for the eagles
They acquired Kiko Alonso and extended Demaco Ryans
Some people think moving Kendricks (and Mathis) is part of Chip Kelly’s big plan
Very possible. In their 3-4, it appears Alonzo and Ryans would be the ILBs.
They have Brandon Graham and Connor Barwin as their starting OLB
They have Vinnie Curry playing behind throes guys
They are pretty deep at LB
Could be bullshit
But some one leaked the cheats schedule
https://twitter.com/patriotssb49/status/590498340439138304
Week 2 they play in Miami of it’s true
I like the tough away game opponents they face, Broncos, Colts, Giants, Cowboys.
Between the Colts and the Denver games there schedule is kind of soft for a month
Tim, I understand that point on paying too much. Seems Mr. T & Aponte are not letting too much hold them back. I don’t know, but yes, it is something that has to be part of the equation.
Tim
What makes you think the FO is confident in our LBs?
There is no reason to beleive that
You can argue the bottom line is how the FO feels about the unit for every position
We may have versatile LBs
We don’t have quality
I don’t think there is any question that we can do better at LB
I’m not sure why you so adverse to the idea of adding LBs
Jenkins/Misi/Tripp is a big leap of faith
Why not bring in competition?
They might be even if you’re not is all I’m saying. 😉
Pig,
In the same breath they may have confidence in some of the young LBs. We might be the biggest wild card in this years draft😄
Tannenbaum did say they needed to clear the roster of progress stoppers. Trusnik was one of those. Tripp could be a guy they are heavily counting on.
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Didn’t he play all the LB positions last year because of all the injuries to that group plus he is a excellent ST player
He did, but I’m going by what Tannenbaum said. He is essentially you can’t develop young guys or truly know what you have if they aren’t getting reps with a maced out vet who might presently hold an ever so slight advantage over them.
maybe we can a draft choice for the guy before he collects a big contract with a team that see’s upside in him
Dbolt, but what is Kendricks going to be asking for in 2016 when he’s a UFA?
Not sure, but would be more affordable than people think. I think maybe anywhere between 4-6 per year.
Just saying it’s another contract we have to get done along with Vernon and Miller unless we move on from one of them. I doubt we let Vernon walk after trading Jordan unless he decides to totally regress which I don’t see happening.
Aaron Hernandez never failed an NFL drug test even though everyone said he smoked weed daily and now it is being reported he was addicted to angel dust.
A man who knew Hernandez and asked not to be identified, said: ‘He was regularly high or out of his mind on Angel Dust.
‘People who were in his circles knew about it and we would talk about how it turned him into a punk. He was consistently aggressive, arrogant and unpleasant.
‘His dope man would bring it to his house and he would roll it in with some weed and smoke it with his friends.
‘He got so full of himself that he sometimes stopped caring if people saw him doing it and he would be told to go outside because restaurant owners were worried about their licenses.
‘I guess he was a d**head before because all that fame and money went to his head. But the drugs made him turn out to be a monster. Few people liked him. They just went with everything to keep him under control.’
Only friends Hernandez has now are the ones he makes behind bars.
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2015/04/report-aaron-hernandez-was-addicted-to-angel-dust/
Tim
So what you’re saying is Piggy and Hickenbaum need not be on the same wavelength? lol
LOL
Just saying if they’re really high on Jenkins, are nowhere near as down on Misi as fans always are and have a much higher opinion of Tripp, then it changes things quite a bit.
I also don’t see special 4-3 LBs in this draft. Probably more of the same that we already have.
Many of the so called special ILB’s in the draft will likely be moved outside if drafted by 4-3 teams.
If the above story on Hernandez is true, it really points to how much the Patriots really do get away with, given the fact that he never failed a NFL drug test…SMH!
How could Belichick and staff allow such stuff to go on? There is no way they couldn’t have known. Where’s all the crap mouth pundits on this? 😉
Pig — Interesting on the Pat’s schedule if true. They’d get us in the cold but we’d get them in the heat.
It’s an early December game in New England
So it won’t be that cold
GD, Matt Light knew what Hernandez was all about and said he wasn’t a fan of his lifestyle. So there is no way nobody else on the team including Belichick, the coaches, Brady and other players didn’t know.
getterdone — some of the stuff in Aaron’s locker.
LMAO
Piggy,
LOL @ the schedule you posted.
So LeGarrette Blount is good to go vs Miami after the 1 game suspension (vs Pitt) LOL.
Tim, I hear ya on Belicheat and others not knowing….I guess Bill Belicheat read that old book on Shula and looked the other way too. 😉
lol.
Shula provided Hernandez with angel dust in the parking lots of his steakhouses. LOL
Former Missouri and Oklahoma WR Dorial Green-Beckham is visiting the Chiefs on Tuesday, according to Ian Rapoport.
Green-Beckham previously visited the Bengals, 49ers and Rams. He reportedly turned down a visit with the Cowboys. Perhaps DGB feels he will be off the board by the time the Cowboys select at 27. The Bengals are an interesting addition to the list, as the other teams have been linked to receivers.
Piggy,
This is Tim Tebow’s Colonpokey face
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Perhaps he thinks he’ll be off the board before the Cowboys pick, so he doesn’t visit them? That’s about as retarded as they get. I hope he gets drafted in the 5th RD if that’s true.
Maybe he’s heard the rumors about Jerry Jones….lol
Dbolt,
How much weight did Tripp gain? (saw your comment earlier about it)).
I just hope his chest muscles are feeling good lol.
I don’t know, but the photos of him walking into the facility yesterday he looked ripped. That’s why I said it will be interesting to see his weight.
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Patriots play only 4 games vs. teams which made playoffs last season — fewest for defending champ since 2000 Rams.
…and they get 5 draft picks in the Top 101. 👿
They’ll blow 3 of them.
Tim Knight says:
April 21, 2015 at 11:03 am
I also don’t see special 4-3 LBs in this draft. Probably more of the same that we already have.
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There are quite a few good “Will” LB options in the draft and some 3-4 OLB “Jack” types that intrigue but you are certainly right about MLB. Some of these MLB options are some of the lightest MLB options in a while and are built more like OLB.
I like Zach Vigil more & more everyday at MLB in this draft.
Yep! See my post below about this year’s class vs. last year’s class.
Last year the highest ranked ILB was C.J. Mosely at 6.42. The highest this year is 5.8 with Kendricks, Dawson and McKinney. There is more depth this year with 7 ILBs ranked between 5.8 and 5.4 and the next ranked ILB last year was Preston Brown at 5.36 in the 3rd round – he did have 109 tackles for the Bills though.
But you can see it’s not a special class. Jordan Tripp who was listed as an OLB lasted year was ranked 5.16 and was a 5th rd pick. I would not be surprised if most if not all of these ILBs were available in the 2nd through 4th rounds.
Tim,
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LMAO!!!!
LOL
Tim,
I can’t find it at the moment but more so than height, weight has a stronger correlation to success at almost every position (even QB).
These guys do an interesting job with their scouting metrics…
They are covering all the positions as the draft approaches but here’s one on corners.
Science 2015 Part 2 – Cutting the Cornerback Quandary
http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl/afc-west/kansas-city-chiefs/draft-science-2015-part-2-cutting-the-cornerback-quandary-r8506
Here is one on LB they put out today.
http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl-draft/scouting-reports/olb/2015-nfl-draft-scouting-report-lbs-rodman-noel-r8690
LOL @ Al’s 11:46AM. That’s great
Al, at miamidolphins.com go to the link on the right that says players arrive at Davie. There are two photos of Tripp in there. He definitely looks bigger.
Well this is a picture taken last week by a personal trainer working with a few Fins players during the offseason…
Jordan Tripp retweeted
Rich Molin, CSCS @AllBlueSwede · Apr 13
Another great Monday with the boys! @jfreeny56 @JasonTrusnik @koamisi55 @Kshepp11 @jtripp37 @IMPACTNextLevel
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCe3iNmUsAAS_S1.jpg:large
He definitely looks like he’s muscled up from last year. He really doesn’t look small next to the other guys.
In fact he looks bigger than Misi who I believe is in the middle.
Yeah and he’s actually standing at an angle which gives a slimmer appearance.
When your Mom looks like this you better listen!
Is that Tripp’s mom?
If so she has a penis I think
Nope
Or your Dad!
Tyler Varga of Yale is pictured at the Reese’s Senior Bowl weigh-in in Mobile, Ala., on Tuesday Jan. 20, 2015.
Not jure if Jahn would be pissed or thrilled by that. Might be emotional purgatory. 🙂
Tim,
Glad you moved on from this..
LOL Dog……..but did I really have to see TIm’s “boys” again?
LOL@ stnager. There’s no quandary there whatsoever. If those guys below are slowing up my browser it’s bothersome. If she’s slowing up my browser, it’s a normal day. 🙂
“NFL is set to announce its 2015 game schedule on Tuesday at 8 p.m. ET.”
That should give us something to discuss while waiting for the draft.
Piggy: I expect Colonpokey will be paying a visit to Philadelphia some time in the near future to visit his favs Tebow & Sanchez for some tag-teaming fun….lol.
Tim Knight says:
April 21, 2015 at 11:30 am
Shula provided Hernandez with angel dust in the parking lots of his steakhouses. LOL
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My kids took me to tropical acres restaurant last night for my birthday 26th. Place burned down 2012 and they rebuilt .It’s the oldest steakhouse in florida 1949. They had old menu from 1949 and pork chop dinner was 1.50. beer was 5 cents.
Tonight we are going to cap’s place. It’s the oldest seafood restaurants in the tri county area .You have to take a boat out to a island where the restaurant is. A lot of old time gangsters from the 20’s-30’s use to visit the restaurant. Great seafood.
http://www.tropicalacres.com/ is 66 yrs old
http://www.capsplace.com/ is over 80 yrs old
Back in the 20’s in No-Man’s Land Florida, Cap Knight, Lola Knight and Al Hasis brought together a group of wooden shacks attached to an old barge which was floated up the present day intracoastal waterway from Miami to its location on Cap’s Island near the fabled Hillsboro lighthouse north of Fort Lauderdale. This was a rum-running restaurant and gambling casino, nestled on an island in the coastal marsh. For over seven decades Cap and Lola Knight, Al and Patricia Hasis, and now their children Tom, Ted and Talle Hasis, have served up only the finest of seafood in South Florida’s most unique waterfront setting.
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Tim’s relatives?
LOL @ phindog = addicted to the great dance. LOL
LMAO @ that!
Commentary on an early theme: Trusnik is NOT a progress stopper. A progress stopper is a marginal veteran with a big salary who’s ego and/or salary cap number dictates that they need to be a starter ahead of a young guy who’s ready to take the next step. Trusnik is not that guy. He’s a guy who will start, or play 3rd string, and dominate on ST for a reasonable salary while never complaining if a rookie gets to play ahead of him. That’s NOT a progress stopper. That’s a team player an in an era where your team is going to commit a large percentage of it’s cap to just a few individuals, he’s the kind of team player you MUST have if you’re going to compete in this league.
Well he plays for the Panthers now so… LOL
I hear what you’re saying. Ellerbe and Wheeler were progress stoppers and that’s why they’re gone.
Exactly (on Ellerbe and Wheeler)
All 3 progress stoppers are gone😂😂😂😂
Do we have a progress stopper left? Maybe they are true for their word on that.
Does Delmas count?
Trusnik was a role player, he handled that position well. They chose not to re-sign him when they felt they could replace him with a cheaper rookie pickup that can play ST’s and fill the part time role at LB. I cant say i blame them, but yes, he wasnt a progress stopper, he was more of role player who got too expensive for what the FO wants to pay for that role.
What up people? Busy day today. Just coming in one after the other.
Are they bringing their shoes so they have them?
Not today, although that’s what our sign says on the window. lol
Ive said it plenty of times, there are not great 4-3 ILB’s this year. None that can come in and start right away/beat Misi out of that position. I dont care how much people want Misi back at SLB, we wont have good enough by start of the year to do that. There are, however, a bunch of pretty good prospects. I like McKinney personally but he most likely needs to start at SLB or rotate at an OLB spot until he acclimates to the NFL. I think he will be a MLB one day but it wont be day 1. I think possibly could be there before end of the year, but that just depends on how quickly he picks things up. Having Suh does help that transition, but Perryman, Dawson, Anthony, and even Kendricks likely have to start same place.
I keep coming back to this – with Shelby, Fede and McCain, Jordan is expendable. With Suh now on board along with Mitchell, there will be less snaps for Shelby and Fede to play inside and guys like Johnson and Francis etc. will likely get some snaps there. Having depth is great, but sometimes there just aren’t enough snaps to get everyone in the game so that means not active on game day for some. Philbin has said he wants Coyle to simplify the defense so guys can just go play. That could mean less formations and rotations. Just some food for thought.
So did Jordan show up on day 2?
I agree 100%. I feel no need to appease him, he needs to produce, or he’s done here. I would trade him to move up to get an impact player if that was possible, without a wory in the world about what he might become elsewhere. He hasn’t done it here, and I don’t think he ever will.
Same reasons you give for why we are at our end with him is why we cant expect trading him to move us up into the top 10. Again, Kelley is our best shot, packaged with our second could get us back into the first where we can take a second 1st rounder. Optimally that could mean landing a top teir WR and your boy Collins one day 1. That would be a pretty good day but then the drought begins totally bypassing day 2.
Have you guys seen the extended video of where that clip comes from?
LMAO!!!! The fucking 80s!
stangerx says:
April 21, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Do we have a progress stopper left? Maybe they are true for their word on that.
Does Delmas count?
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Don’t think any of the young guys have shown their close to him communication wise & therefore he’s a needed asset right now
Think arguable, but he did get starting S money.
Stanger, Delmas coming off of a late season ending knee injury doesn’t make him a progress stopper to me. I think he’s a good influence in the locker room and in the film room for the young DBs, and could help us as the season goes on.
He’s the definition of security blanket. He’s there if things dont pan out with Aikens, or something happens to him. If he starts the year, i doubt he will be by time season ends as they may try to phase in Aikens if he isnt quite ready before season starts.
Agreed.
More than anything, I was just happy he was the only name I could come up with. Another sign these guys look towards the future.
I think you guys are underestimating Kendricks when assessing the ILB crop this year, and since I’m not a huge “I told you so” guy, I just want to put it out there right now. He’s got Zach Thomas instincts with better measurables. Behind a DL with Suh in it, he would be an all-pro, and if he’s used right (as 4/3 MLB) behind a decent 4 man front, he’s going to prove me right no matter where he goes.
Maybe it’s deep after that, but assesments stray way to far from the game tape these days, and there’s only one conclusion when you watch Kendricks play the game of football: He’s a stud.
I’m just going by where he’s ranked on NFL.com as opposed to last year’s draft. That doesn’t mean he won’t be a good player. It’s pre-draft evaluations and we have to use something to go by besides personal preference because that has blown up in people’s faces as well.
I saw what you were going by. My point (that I made in my post) is that that number strays too far from the football film and overweights measurables. It always does.
PS: football film is not personal preference. I’m not being argumentative, but I don’t want people to think I’m just touting him because he’s a Bruin. Have you seen me tout any other Bruins this offseason? I guess that’s proof I can be objective and tell you what I see in film, not what I root for on Saturdays.
Dbolt, we don’t disagree on football stuff very often, but I can’t believe you lump Trusnik in with Wheeler and Ellerbe. There’s no comparison. Those 2 were overpaid underperforming vets with egos that demanded they be starters. Trusnik was none of those negative things and all the positives you could ask for from a low salary guy with a knack for special teams.
He doesn’t fit with those guys. At all. He’s moved on, I agree with D, I respect the decision they made to let him walk, but I did like the guy and he’s not a progress stopper in any way shape or form. If Trusnik beat out a young guy, the young guy didn’t deserve to be a starter. Period. (lol..I haven’t typed out my punctuation recently).
Jahn,
You’re reading too much into it. They have young guys that are ready to take over those duties and are now on equal footing as Trusnick except they still have more room for growth. They didn’t try to resign him because they have young guy’s progressing and trying to resign him is what Tannenbaum was referring to as a progress stopping move. I like Trusnick much better than the other 2, but under the description they fall in the same category.
I get that resigning him for big money would turn him into a progress stopper, but he was never that as a player when he played for the fins, and I don’t think it’s fair to retroactively label him with that (you gotta admit, it’s a negative label) just because he went onto the open market and got paid somewhere.
I do agree with that. I think Tripp replaces Trusnik right off the bat.
D
Not necessarily, there’s always teams that think that they can make a guy work in their defense. He has top 5 pedigree, that was unanimous, so there’s a defensive coach somewhere that swears they can turn him into a beast.
He’d probably have his best shot as a 3-4 OLB every down.
I agree.
Jahn, don’t take the Kendricks thing personally. I mentioned him in with Dawson and McKinney at 5.8 with no bias. I was just using a general tool that shows this is not considered a strong ILB class as opposed to previous drafts, it’s just not.
Not at all. I understand where you’re coming from. But what I do really want you to understand is that I’m not touting the guy because of some sort of homer bias. I might just have some experience from watching him play every Saturday that many here and many of the so-called “experts” for public consumption don’t, and I just like sharing what I know. I tend to share bad news too about Pac-10 players when I have it. Cheers!
That’s about all the time I had. I’m sorry I couldn’t wait around for responses. Just my opinions as always, and I respect all of yours as well!
Jahn, I’m not saying you’re being a Bruin homer. Everyone has their favorite prospects is what I meant. Film study is a personal preference though. Just like PFF sees things that others disagree with. It’s all objective on what people think they’re seeing.
I have a lot of bias towards SEC players, simply because i watch so much of that divisions football i know these guys well. My bias doesnt stand in the way of judgement though because im not picking someone for me im picking someone i want to make our team better. Kendrick is the best start right away prospect, BUT he also isnt acclimated to speed of the game. He MAY be able to acclimate faster than others because he has great instincts, but i also think due to some physical limitations he also has the potential for a lower ceiling in terms of maximized ability. People can bring up Zach all day long, but simple fact is the odds are stacked against those players and only the very exceptional overcome those things and go on to be great. This isnt opinion its fact, for every success story like it there are several never got off the ground stories where the size and athletic limitations were too much for those players to overcome.
Fair point about the odds being against it, but his measurables are better than Zachs, not equal to it. So if he’s wired that same way (I tend to think MLBs and safeties are the easiest to spot instincts with) and has better measurables, I have no choice but to project him highly.
You want to talk about the Bruin’s QB? Different story. i wouldn’t draft the guy unless it was in the 3rd round or later. I just don’t think his game is going to translate.
I don’t really think you and i would watch the same film and disagree too frequently about whether or not a player made a play.
It’s not “personal preference” for the most part, it’s actually analyzing real football instead of combine numbers….and the goal is not to draft athletes, it’s to draft successful football players.
I respect the opinions of people who have this experience on this board, and defer to it on players I’m not familiar with. Can’t insist anyone respect my opinion the same way, but that’s what it is. Experience watching a player play football.
I trust your opinion, and for what its worth i see what you see in him from a instincts, and ability standpoint. For me its a gamble with McKinney but i like the potential and it outweights what is more of a risk than taking a guy like Kendricks. I also agree with you that he will be a good player. Im not disputing those things. Its probably more an argument over what ya would rather have bird in hand or two in the bush….im into the bush… 🙂
LOL…fair enough. I’m into bush myself.
Oh, and go Warriors!
Mike, i just dont see it. More power to them if they can swing it, but i dont see him being an attractive enough lure to do that. The teams picking at that level could easily get a guy with better potential a guy with 4 years on a rookie wage contract and whom they can develop up their own way. If i were a GM of any of those teams i would laugh at the dolphins if thats all they were offering. Maybe Jordan another pick and swapping firsts, but then if im the GM of the dolphins i cant do that either.
I didn’t say that was all we would be offering, but if we could trade our 1st, Jordan and 4th, rather than give up next years 1st, it would be worth it.
I think it’s fun to think about, and especially with Chip Kelly being the other end of the hypothetical trade, but I agree, he doesn’t have a lot of trade value these days. 2 years and nothing but a drug suspension and a stint in rehab kind of offsets his draft status.
Also one more slip up and his suspension is probably 12 games.
Funny you should say that. The first time i typed it up i had a much longer version that actually pointed out those things lol. Chip Kelley is a maverick and if he likes a player he’s going to get that player. He still likes Jordan from what i have heard so there is more sway there. Giants have 0 reason to make that trade and i wouldnt give up any more picks this year to move up. Id be more willing to trade up using next year’s 1 if we move up significantly enough to get in the range of White/Cooper.
Great to see my boy Tripp looking like he’s got an NFL body now! Hope he follows the path of Jenkins in his 2nd year too.
Me too and it won’t be for a lack of work ethic and love for the game.
Philbin holds work ethic almost over all other things. I know a lot of people think its more about being a strong personality player, but i think its more about being a lazy ass that loses Philbin towards players. People that would rather sit around and talk shit about play time than come to, and stay awake in meeting while everyone else is. Sure stay after and catch balls on the Jugs, but kinda mixing the message when you dont treat the rest of your work responsibilities with equal level of interest. I personally agree, id take 1 of guy who will bust their ass to be good over 10 incredibly God gifted athletes who dont give a shit about their profession..
Jahn, I agree on Eric Kendricks, but even more on his older brother Mychal who’s already proven he can play in the NFL, is only 24.
As I proposed yesterday, I hope we can get a nice deal packaged together with the Eagles.
Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill says Now is the time when good players get together and start building a team
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins-20150420-premiumvideo.html
Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country……
Any of you know what that is from?
from a teacher in the 1800’s, but might have been used as a movie quote or by aspiring Pols.
Jahn, my thing is I can’t always tell whether I think a guy’s college tape with translate to the NFL game. That doesn’t mean they don’t look good on tape. So that’s why I do consider measurables in the equation. Just remember the worst NFL team would destroy the top college team.
Well yeah because NFL teams are full of top 3% of the best athletes from college. Would be a sad day if your pro team couldn’t.
They’re also experienced grown men playing against kids and many of who will never make it in the NFL. That’s my point though. I don’t know if Kendricks will weave his way through the mosh at the next level playing MLB the way he does in college. I do think he could be a good WOLB though.
Jahn: Since the Heat did not make the playoffs I am rooting for the Warriors as I love Steph Curry!! New Orleans is a very good young team it will not be easy but I expect Golden State to beat them.
jahndoh says:
April 21, 2015 at 3:38 pm
I get that resigning him for big money would turn him into a progress stopper, but he was never that as a player when he played for the fins, and I don’t think it’s fair to retroactively label him with that (you gotta admit, it’s a negative label) just because he went onto the open market and got paid somewhere.
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We just see the connotation differently. I don’t see it as a negative, but just a reality of aging players. Many players weren’t brought back due to this. Like I said I like Trusnick and don’t lump him as the same type of player as the others.
ESPN’s Mike Sando says that it’s exceedingly hard to find an adequate comparison for West Virginia WR Kevin White.
“There isn’t much precedent for junior college transfers with White’s physical ability breaking out the way he did this past season,” he wrote. “Cordarrelle Patterson was one. The four other receivers on [Mel] Kiper’s Big Board this year played between 37 to 41 games at the major college level, compared to 24 games for White.” Those other receivers all had higher yards-per-catch averages and more receptions for first downs by percentage. A team in the top 10 is going to roll the dice on his athletic upside anyway.
Patterson was nowhere near as productive. What most have said is the light went on, he grew up and into his body and the tape shows the difference. I watched a lot of video of him and you see a big WR with elite speed imposing his will on guys. Not saying he’ll dominate right away in the NFL, but I’d be shocked if he didn’t produce right away. Patterson is still struggling as a WR.
My idea for draft.
Trade up, using next years 1st if we can find a buyer at 3 or 5, hell throw in Jordan with it if it will seal the deal. Take Cooper. If cant find partner at 3, and he’s taken at 4, stand at 14 and shoot for Parker. Parker is gone by 14, trade back and pick up at least 3rd, preferably a 2nd. Id also try to work a trade with Philly, Jordan and our pick 47 for their pick 20, or Jordan straight up for their pick 52..
I’m still not excited by Parker. Vikings likely take him anyways to reunite him with Teddy, which would be smart. Also hate to trade away next year’s 1st just to get Cooper.
with that, I rather trade down into the low 20’s, Eagles @ 23 hopefully. Have a deal with them for their Kendricks & our Jordan, plus whatever pick they agree on 2nd or 3rd round.
In low 20’s we could possibly land Perriman/DGB who’s not far too off from White…IMO.
Then in 2nd go for best of OL/DB/TE/RB
I just want to point out that teams don’t always draft guys just because their QB played with him in college.
Nooo, you’re pulling our chains, Right?
I’ve read Parker to the Vikes because of Bridgewater so many times even on the networks. Not saying it can’t happen but it seems very novice to me for everyone to jump on that wagon.
Well that’s kinda like us saying Dion Jordan to PHI because Chip Kelly’s there, and all he does is try to get former Ducks. Oh wait, that IS all he tries to do. lol
But nobody in MIN was the Louisville HC.
dbolt48 says:
April 21, 2015 at 9:31 am
True. Really impressed by Tripp’s weight gain.
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I recall some of us and the media saying the same thing about Jordan’s weight gain last off season……then he got suspended for PED use…
If your avie’s ass was in front of me, I wouldn’t need no PED’s!!!
….that’s for Rockphins’ ass avie btw….lol
Dude, there’s a ball bag in those thongs…..she’s from BANGKOK
Tim, one of Minny’s biggest needs is WR. Teddy needs help, so maybe a familiar face that he had chemistry with before will help. Parker will be gone before Minney picks again most likely.
Parker needs help too, he’s not all that to me yet. So, being in MN should help both young guys.
GDP,
I’m sticking to what I’ve said before…Perriman & Coates have the most core power of any of the WR available when looking at the film and the combine/pro day numbers they put up prove it.
Both guys have elite lower body strength and can explode on their cuts.
Yeah, I think either of those 2 won’t be far behind Cooper/White/Parker, if at all.
When Perriman is going full speed it’s a death trap to try and bring him down. You see amazing core strength by Coates when he stiff armed/ body slammed the DB from Arkansas in 2013
Both guys have the potential to be better than the top 3 in this draft
GDP,
I’m guessing the Fins go WR in RD 1 and something else in RD 1.
er, go WR in RD 2 (not 1).
how are we going to get the second 1st round pick??
GDP, that is one CREEPY emoticon you posted there! ewwwwww
LMAO, almost as creepy as FFR….jk/bb Rob 😉
I like the value play of WR in RD 2 and beyond and hope the Fins don’t go WR in RD 1….
Sammie Coates
Philip Dorsett
Devin Smith
Justin Hardy
Chris Conley
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Kenny Bell is a huge sleeper alert
Smelter late as well. Kasen Williams as an UDFA is another way to go.
Dez Lewis from UCA as a big body WR with excellent long speed vs his 40 time.
Chris Conley, there ya go. He’s a bit under the radar due to the run heavy Bulldog offense, we saw the same with Arthur Lynch.
Kenny Bell doesn’t excite me as much as Darren Waller, bot are very likely to be drafted outside of the 2nd for sure.
Yea, forgot to mention Smelter but Bell is far more polished at this point. However, as you are talking about, Smelter’s physical tools are off the charts and his ceiling higher.
Bell plays with a little Steve Smith flare to him which coincides a bit with how Landry plays mentally (and funny enough, Stills as well) ….
Bell reminds me of Troy Brown for some reason.
His running style after the catch looks similar.
All the trade up talk we’ve had in recent weeks was if our FO had a guy significantly higher than others. Not that we were advocating having to trade up, At least I wasn’t. My stance was always if we have Cooper or White clearly higher than other WRs and they really wanted one or the other, I’d support it as a fan.
I think they are pumping out WR info to push an OL or CB down to them LOL
GDP,
Waller isn’t bad but what worries me is his pop out of the gate. Looking at his film, he’s one of the last guys lined up to react to the snap lol. He does have an Orande Gadsden type feel to him. Tweener WR/TE type.
lol, I noticed that on the snap, but maybe he’s sick of that triple option…lol
im out for now…take care peeps
Good!
@RapSheet: #USC WR Nelson Agholor, whose name has been included in the 1st round mix more and more, is visiting the #Dolphins tomorrow.
Trade-up Scenario
4: Round 1 Pick 4 (from Oakland): Kevin White, WR, WVU, 6’3 215, 4.35 40, 23 reps (gave our round one and two picks)
114: Round 4 Pick 15: James Sample, SS, Louisville or Mitch Morse, OG, Missouri or Josue Matias, OG, FSU or Eric Rowe, CB, Utah
149: Round 5 Pick 13: Clayton Geathers, SS, Central Florida or Darren Waller, WR, GaTech or Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville or Alani Fua, OLB, BYU 4.59-4.73 40 18 reps (for Special Teams)
150: Round 5 Pick 14: Blake Bell, TE, Oklahoma or Karlos Williams, RB, Florida State or Gerod Holliman, FS, Louisville or Bryce Hager, ILB, Baylor (4.6 40) or or Mike Hull, ILB, Penn State
UDFA — DeAndre Smelter, WR, GaTech; Trenton Brown, OT, Florida, 6’8.5” 376 lbs; Isaiah Johnson, SS, GaTech, 4.55 40, 6’2 213 (for Special Teams); Jeff Luc, ILB, Cincinnati 6’ 251 4.6 40 (for Special Teams)
Our OT needs are met with this guy
Trenton Brown, OT, Florida, 6’8.5” 376 lbs
I like him, and he will come on the cheaps. I have seen him in person, he is fucking HUGE>
6’8″ and 376 sounds pretty big to me.
Always tip your servers folks…..or at least don’t try to tackle them.
“He says in the video that he got angry after one of the women asked for a tip, and tells the officer that he chased them out of the room.”
— Warren Sapp on what started the confrontation with two prostitutes that got him arrested.
getterdone says:
April 21, 2015 at 4:48 pm
Tim, one of Minny’s biggest needs is WR. Teddy needs help, so maybe a familiar face that he had chemistry with before will help. Parker will be gone before Minny picks again most likely.
Parker needs help too, he’s not all that to me yet. So, being in MN should help both young guys.
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Ive heard Minn’s biggest need and what they most likely take is a DT. I see your point and a WR whome a fledgling QB is use to makes sense, but system they run may be better for Perriman/DGB than Parker. They have a guy like Parker there in Cordarelle, i would think they would be better off getting a guy who is a better deep receiver if they went that route. Again you may be right, and we may not get him, i do disagree with your thoughts about Cooper, i think he is one of the few players really worth trading up for. Fowler is another one.
dbolt48 says:
April 21, 2015 at 5:00 pm
Both guys have the potential to be better than the top 3 in this draft
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Coates could be the best receiver of this draft IF he develops…. Coates is pretty much Cooper without all the refinement, i just dont know how much i trust Coates as far as him ever reaching his full potential, and its nearly impossible to know given the offense that was run while he was there and the shitty QB play from Marshall. I cant really tell if he took plays off/coasted, which to me would be a very bad sign as far as expectation of development, or if he just looked like that because of the offense he was in. Plays that was away from him, he didnt sell it as if he could be a target, and this happened a good bit and he didnt go full out as a run blocker. Cooper is all out on every play, he’s refined, and consistant. That is a rare thing.
Coates to me is a bigger Chris Chambers. I do agree on the effort plays as you mentioned above. He’s also pretty intelligent from what I’ve heard. He graduated as a Junior which is why he was allowed to compete at the Sr. Bowl
Buffalo Bills: Wes Saxton, TE, South Alabama
The Bills signed Charles Clay this offseason, but given that he’s not a true tight end, Clay won’t preclude the team from spending another pick on the position.
Pick change; previously Wes Saxton, TE
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Wonder if they under stand the concept of change…..
Oh and they pick another TE thats a lot like Clay because you know they Clay’s not a true TE…..
I am excited for the schedule release tonight, but I have to admit my enthusiasm has been soured a great deal; I just found out earlier my SIL has breast cancer.
Looks like we’re playing those pesky Bravos again, eh . . .
D, that big OT Trenton Brown doesn’t fit the style of OL we look for. All our OL are under 330 and it will probably remain that way.
Our biggest OL is Asper at 6-6 321 followed by James at 6-6 318.
Tim,
I tend to agree with you- Parker to Minn because of Bridgewater is just lazy. It’s an interesting possibility, but it was introduced initially as speculation and has become huge. Has Minnesota showed anything more than passing interest? I don’t know the answer to that, but I would be surprised.
Why is Bridgewater just lazy? He played pretty well last year and everything I heard is they like him up in MIN.
No he meant ppl saying they will pick Parker to be with Bridgewater is just lazy thinking.
Thanks Naples! I’m surprised Tim didn’t catch that- he’s usually fairly astute and perceptive!