Go Balls Deep Dolphins!

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Remember watching the deep ball disaster the last couple of years?

Miami had a big wide receiver makeover this offseason parting ways with Mike Wallace, Brian Hartline and Brandon Gibson and bringing in Greg Jennings, Kenny Stills and DeVante Parker.  Jarvis Landry is the sole holdover that is a lock to make this team.

Now what?

Can the Dolphins go deep?

Do they even need to?

All of these receivers are great YAC guys but what about deep threats?

Greg Jennings has had a ton of touchdowns in his career.  Now would be a good time to mention that Aaron Rogers was the Quarterback for most of those touchdowns.  So there is that…

Parker’s catch radius is notable.  At Louisville he was used as a deep threat often, but whether that translates to the NFL is still a mystery.

Kenny Stills is a legitimate deep threat.  But so was Mike Wallace and…um…

Dolphins Radio Announcer, Jimmy Cefalo seems to think we are going to work in the deep ball more effectively in 2015.  You can listen to him here:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/audio/Jimmy-Cefalo-Sizes-Up-2015-Offense/06e7f0e8-2bde-4187-aa44-01472c282300?_ga=1.40206758.504657067.1372435581

So bombs away in 2015?

Tannehill-Throw

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455 Responses to Go Balls Deep Dolphins!

  1. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Mike E, what does CFO stand for @ the NY Jets?
    Classless Football Organization!

  2. bat's avatar bat says:

    LMAO @ Tim

  3. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    It wouldn’t be so bad being a Jets fan. At least I can count on beating the shit out of the Dolphins if the game has any playoff implications for Miami.

  4. bat's avatar bat says:

    “It wouldn’t be so bad being a Jets fan. At least I can count on beating the shit out of the Dolphins if the game has any playoff implications for Miami.”

    Mike … Bazooka Joe won’t be coach forever …lol

  5. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Bat – You never know. Ross really likes him

  6. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Mathis has been one of the best guards in football for a while. According to Pro Football Focus, he finished as one of the top two guards in the league in each of the past four years. He has yielded five sacks in that time (56 games). If he can bring that kind of protection to the Dolphins, Tannehill would be a happy man.

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  8. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    The one thing on Mathis being in Miami that could be crucial is if Albert can’t go right away, then the left side would benefit from a guy of his caliber and experience next to Fox or whoever @ LT.

    Can we really trust Dallas Thomas or Jamil Douglas in that role without Brandon Albert next to them?

    • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

      I personally think we can trust Benton to put together a line the offense can be productive behind with or without Mathis.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        That’s how I feel about it. We have a very good OL coach who will find a starting 5 that allows us to be productive on offense. It may not be a great OL but it will be functional.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      Mo Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson and Leonard Williams think so. lol

  9. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Tim, nice optimism on Benton’s OL….but after last year I’m a bit cautious. Let’s see where his OL is @ come TC & the first 2 preseason games.

  10. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Remember this about the OL, the opponent doesn’t have Satele to throw around which is where a lot of the problems stemmed from. Satele is a pro, good guy, played hard etc., but has functional strength issues.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Also last year our OL with a lot of new personnel was playing together for the first time and also learning a new offense and blocking scheme all at once. Now many of them know the scheme and have some chemistry with each other. This year is not the same situation as last year.

  11. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Chris Simms giving a lot of love to Tanny and our offense, including the OL with Turner & Thomas as OG’s.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2504091-who-will-be-miami-dolphins-offensive-mvp-in-2015

  12. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Turner hasn’t proved anything yet as a reliable starter, nor has Thomas or Douglas.
    Albert hasn’t proven to be reliable to stay on the field for 14+ games.
    This leaves James & Pouncey as our only proven solid commodities on the OL.

    Pass the Maalox until we see a consistent starting 4-5. 😉

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Albert is proven, so you can’t leave him out because he got his knee rolled on in a pile. It happens. Not all players play all 16 games.

      Linkenbach has starting experience so if the young bucks can’t lock it down he’ll likely be given a shot. Walton and McClendon also have experience.

      I’m not going to worry about the OL until I have to. It could also turn out to be good so why dwell on last year when the circumstances were totally different?

  13. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Tim not worrying about the O-line until he has to. I wish I could do that. How do you feel about Philbin? Worried now or worry later?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I see no reason to worry about anything until it’s a problem. Sometimes we talk about this team like they couldn’t play at all last year. I expect us to be good, not the best team we’ve ever seen, but good.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        OK, but it WAS a problem, and the only thing they did to address it so far is a 4th RD pick. Plus, if Albert isn’t healthy, it could be very scary.

  14. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Likenbach, McClarren and Walton are all FA acquisitions and they also brought in Undrafted FA’s along with Douglas.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      Right Son, and if they were starting material, they’d be starting here. I don’t believe they’re truly even being given consideration to start. They’re depth guys, and rightfully so.

  15. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Mike E, not true that Douglas was the only thing they did. See Son’s post below. They also drafted Turner last year to eventually play, not be a guy who just has a name and a number. LOL

  16. D's avatar D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 22, 2015 at 9:12 pm
    LOL, love your Suh enthusiasm. Never thought it would happen when you and Piggy were calling for it. But it happened. 🙂
    ————————————-
    Ahem, dont you remember my dissertation on the validity that we could indeed afford to aquire him and listed out those that would need to be cut or restructured in order to do so……

    so scared of big blocks of text….so scared…..

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Not saying you weren’t on board but I remember Son and Piggy more. Maybe because your name only has one letter in it. LOL

      • D's avatar D says:

        Probably because Piggy screamed his name every day after it started looking possible lol and did very clevel photoshop stories entered around him.

  17. D's avatar D says:

    Linkenbach and Walton were former starters, so its plausible they are a backup plan to start and not just a plan for backups. I do think the expectation is they will be the latter, but possibly also insurance for the former.

  18. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Linkenbach has started 36 games in the NFL, McLendon 5, Fox 4, and Walton 52. That is quality depth.

  19. D's avatar D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 23, 2015 at 2:32 pm
    You know he had that turf toe injury and that’s why he didn’t play sooner right?
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-is-billy-turner-ready-to-contribute-with-the-dolphins-20141110-story.html
    ———————————
    Turf toe started the whole thing, i think he was able to go well before end of the season but it was a matter at that point of throwing a guy to the wolves who didnt have the benefit of an adjustment period. They perceived it would be better to give him a better opportunity for success waiting. I think it was a good decision, very likely could have turned Turner into damaged goods had they not.

  20. D's avatar D says:

    I have a question. If there are reports that Turner isnt looking perfect in TC, are you going to shit the bed? Do you expect him to immediately hold up against a guy who is best at his position? Scarier proposition, how are you going to feel if he does, are you going to think he is that good or Suh is playing that bad?

  21. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Tim

    I know the Turner story. It doesn’t make me any more confident about it. I actually think he might do OK, but I don’t like the choices at the other spot.

  22. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 23, 2015 at 11:47 am

    Tomorrow’s article will be on the Jets O-line. lol

    not like anyone would notice.

  23. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    June 23, 2015 at 2:39 pm
    Linkenbach has started 36 games in the NFL, McLendon 5, Fox 4, and Walton 52. That is quality depth.
    Reply

    Ahh, you mean the starters that their former teams decided to move on from & replace? 😉

  24. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    D,

    you know tim being a eunuch and all he is terrified of the big D

  25. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:
    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      Kid was lucky not to really be injured, but in the article he sounds like he’s gonna sue Fox…as he recovers from his scrapes n cuts and ’emotional’ trauma….lol SMH

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Hey let’s use a set where we throw axes at a target with a marching band behind them and nothing to block an errant axe. LOL

  26. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    When Piggy has sex he screams Suh!!! LOL

  27. herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

    Soooo…..I broke my foot this morning. How is everyone else’s day going?

  28. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Herd

    Sorry to hear your misfortune. Do tell, what happened?

  29. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    I believe that the Confederate flag is treasonous and that people who say they wave it to commemorate the men lost in battle with an “invading” army are treasonous and should be jailed. The US Army was not “invading” another country. The Confederacy was an illegitimate and misguided attempt to fragment the United States. Its army attacked federal installations first. The US Army was attempting to quell a massive riot against the laws and infrastructure of our country which was organized for the sole purpose of perpetuating an immoral and inhumane quasi-economic system.

    None of this needs to be honored or “commemorated,” especially since the underlying principle is that certain people are by their racial genetics labeled and classified as inferior or even subhuman.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I agree. I’ve been reading up more on it. Northern aggression is another fallacy southerners like to portray. It wasn’t really north against the south, it was the U.S. Government against organized traitors who happened to be from the south.

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      C’mon really? Like a flag is gonna cause racism or no flag is gonna stop it! 🙄

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        No but what the flag really stands for is nothing good.

      • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

        Actually that flag DOES perpetuate racism and removing it from as many public places of honor as possible WILL help stop racism.

  30. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Guys, I’m just being devils advocate on the OL. I know that’s Bat’s job…lol

    I mentioned day one that I wasn’t sure we’d need Mathis at what he’s looking to be paid, plus he only played like 9 games himself last year.
    I also know that Turner has great potential and likely will be a future stud (hope that starts this season tho). Another 3rd rd pick Thomas also showed promise @ OG vs poor play @ OT.
    We also have some experienced vet big bodies that could compete nicely and a mean looking promising rookie in Douglas!

    Plus this is year 2 in Lazor & Benton’s systems. So with that I’m just being cautiously optimistic with this unit as should everyone of you since we’ve been subpar there under how many recent HC’s who were former OL coaches? 😉

    Hope this year it all turns around & the OL is finally a unit of strength for the team!
    Go Phins!

  31. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    We won’t be hearing from Herd. I forgot, she types with her feet. lol

  32. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    So you two guys think Suh is a worthless cast-off? You think Shady can’t play because Chip traded him? Jimmy Dunk is “over the hill” because the Saints moved on without even a quality player on the roster to replace him? And didn’t Reggie the Reverend change hands in FA as well?

  33. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    All I said was having guys for depth who have been multiple year starters for other teams is a better situation than what we have had in recent years. So you can’t say “nothing was done to help our OL except signing a 4th rounder.” Just last year we started the season with 5 out of 5 new players. I think we are working as hard and fast as we can under the circumstances to fix the OL.

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      I agree there mostly, if those former starters are good enough.

      Remember our former FA’s.: Colledge, Colombo, Smith….the list goes on. They were former starters too. 😉

  34. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    June 23, 2015 at 3:33 pm
    Actually that flag DOES perpetuate racism and removing it from as many public places of honor as possible WILL help stop racism.
    _______________________
    Next you’re gonna say by removing guns from citizens that killings will stop?

    • naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

      Of course that is correct. That is only common sense. Who can’t understand that simple concept?

      • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

        Yeah ok, let’s disarm lawful citizens so only criminals will have guns….LOL
        How’d that work out in China, Russia, and other places?

  35. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    JJames @ RT > JJames @ LT, Pouncey at C > Pouncey at OG, Fox followed up a couple games later by Albert > Albert followed up for 66+ games by the rookie JJames. So right there we are a better OL.

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      The key will getting Albert back no later than week 3 and him playing a full season from there on out…IMO.

  36. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Plus 2nd yr in Lazor’s O and under Benton’s tutoring. Plus we now have WRs who actually get open fast enough for RT to throw the ball before the DL can break down the pocket.

  37. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Let’s just see what the OL looks like because we all know it was a problem and it has to get better. None of us know yet who may or may not step up.

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      My points exactly…just showing the obvious…that there is reason to be a lil apprehensive given the past 5+ years of that unit.

      • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

        As I mentioned, I’d still be a lil apprehensive with Mathis here. Maybe a lil less so, but he’s turning 34 during the season in Nov. & he got hurt last year. But he does come with a solid recent resume over the past 4 yrs.

  38. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    Thomas @ OG > Thomas @ OT.
    So the real question is whether Taylor @ OG > Satele @ C. I think that’s at least a wash.

  39. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    There is no logic to comparing life in a Free Democracy to life under two of the most corrupt and brutal COMMUNIST regimes in history. Trying to draw an analogy between letting a racist psycho like the idiot in SC have a gun so he can shoot innocent unarmed civilians and some sort of imaginary citizen militia being capable of rising up against governments violently suppressing their own populations with military tanks and warplanes just because they could buy handguns is nonsense.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I’ve always been on the side of the right to bear arms even though I don’t own any, but this militia idea is a fantasy like you said. There is no competing against our military. This isn’t 1775. LOL

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      Taking what I said out of context. But, the bigger picture is don’t you want the right to be armed and protect your family?

      Also, guns don’t kill, people kill. Why is nobody demanding answers from Big Pharma that pushes these harmful SSRI’s that seems to be common in all these psycho killers who go on a rampage?

      If he didn’t have a gun, then he could have blown himself up, or drove a car into a crowd of people, or attacked them with a sword, or with chemicals, fire, whatever.

      So let’s punish the masses for the actions of a few?

  40. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    GD, a flag isn’t a weapon but we all know what it stands for has a bad history towards certain groups of people. Why does the south need to fly a flag of their own within their own country when we have a national flag? Most states have their own flag as well. Why does the south fly a regional flag? I think we all know why, it’s kind of a wink, wink to each other.

  41. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Naples

    OK, I’ll change it to nothing was done to upgrade the starting 5. There! lol

  42. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    I think SC should remove the flag. and while they are at it, they should remove it from every history book along with every other bit of negative history there is. i mean no one wants to be responsible for actually teaching one right from wrong

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Not flying a flag that has a negative history in this country towards a certain group of our own citizens is not the same as erasing history. Put it in a museum to remind generations of what it once stood for like the Nazi flag. The citizens can still hang them in their home and jerk off to it if they want. It’s just not going to fly publicly anymore.

  43. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 23, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    Not flying a flag that has a negative history in this country towards a certain group of our own citizens is not the same as erasing history.

    well whew. ok so the govt solved racism. about time, now hopefully they can start working on that damn debt.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      You’re being extreme and silly in your argument and that’s exactly why a lot of issues don’t get accomplished in this country. You’re better than that, man.

  44. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Ok, Just quickly dropping by to dish out some Kool Aid For your enjoyment. Who knew that our offensive line wasn’t that bad? LOL

    This is from copied and pasted from the Miami Dolphins official website. ( Disclaimer for the plagiarism police)

    In his first season as Miami Dolphins offensive line coach, John Benton oversaw a unit that was instrumental in helping produce some notable achievements.

    At the top of the list, the blocking up front helped the Dolphins produce the fifth-best rushing average in franchise history with a 4.69 mark, a figure that ended up being the second-best in the entire NFL in 2014.

    The offensive line also helped the Dolphins rack up 361 first downs, which tied for second-highest total in team history and was the best showing since 1985.

    Lastly, the Dolphins led the NFL in lowest percentage of three-and-out drives (12.7 percent) and also in highest percentage of first-down plays that gained 4 or more yards (54.4 percent).

  45. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I am in stinking Texas all this week. I hate Texas!

  46. D's avatar D says:

    Confederate flag use to symbolize southern pride, not racism, i has been adopted in recent years to hang on to the past and those rallying around to it are generally those that are also clinging to the remnants of racism/prejudice. In our current society it offers not real purpose and as a society if it is a divisive thing, it should be considered from removal. I have 0 attachments to this flag, i have 00 love for the flag, as my generation should have no attachments to it. My grandfathers generation, it was a different symbol. There were those that used it as a rally for racism, but there were also others that simply identified with it as part o their southern culture.

    Having said that you cannot demonize some groups for thheir desire to hold on to it. Those in their late 70’s and 80’s do not necessarily perceive it to be what those in their 20’s and 30’s do. I think its really misguided to see this as a black/white issue (no pun intended).

    I personally am in favor of it being removed, IF this is what those of that community/state feel is best. I feel there is no place for the Federal Government to step in here and force the state to remove it regardless of the motive. This is a bad precedent.

    I also feel that you have to be careful in how you handle removal of an icon, be it an icon for good or bad. Remvoal of this icon without proper process will only galvanize these asshats and they will rally around its forced removal. If done properly and handled as a unified community, they have no power to oppose, it wont strengthen their cause.

    This is a very slipper slope thing, removal of the flag does not remove racism, and it really does not remove peoples desire to be racist, its a bandaid at best. Again, im not pro-flag, but im am very pro society getting to the bottm of things and not attacking “objects” as a distraction. How about some city hall meeting, maybe some chances for people to sit down with one another and grow from this by beginning to understand the emotional side of this issue. Like i said yesterday, a lot of communities dwn here are WAY more adjusted than some in other areas, because we live together and we are not afraid of one another. I think this, much like the acceptance of gays, and any other gorup thats “different” bois down to no exposure and no understanding from the alternate perspective. Its been proven through time that people fear and reject what they do not understand.

    Again i do not want to be seen as a person on the pro-side of keeping that flag, ive never understood the fervor over it staying or going. To me its a historical representation, and not necessarily a representation of the US in a time of its best. I do though think a lot more is being made over the meanings and healing benefits of removing it and not nearly enough about what real and most prudent.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      They can still own one and hang it in their home or wrap themselves in it and skip around with pride, but everyone knows the history it’s attached too. As I’ve said we already have a national flag to get behind and try to make our entire country better.

      • D's avatar D says:

        I agree and like you said above it does probably belong more in a museum if a state decides to honor it at all. It does carry some significance for the south that isnt about racism.

  47. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rock

    Is it really hot in Texas right now?

    • D's avatar D says:

      Other than Houston/Galveston area, Texas has pussy heat…. get a little humidity then tell me about hot. It was 98 with 60% humidity this Sunday when i was trying to mow grass. Wound up like being mow a little sit down a little mow a little sit down a little.

  48. herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

    How did I break my foot you ask? Well, not sure it comes across on the blog but I’m a bit of a klutz. I fell off my heels this morning….nothing more than walking along, nothing in my way, it’s completely flat, didn’t trip over anything, too early to be drinking, no excuse at all. My foot slipped off a 4 inch heel and that’s all it took. 😦

  49. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Nelson W. Winbush, a black son of confederate black soldier Luis Napoleon Nelson who fought under Nathan Bedford Forest.

  50. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 23, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    You’re being extreme and silly in your argument and that’s exactly why a lot of issues don’t get accomplished in this country. You’re better than that, man.

    ok ok, i can see you are getting all worked up over this. all i meant is there are much larger issues to deal with then some stupid flag. but i will drop it so you can calm down

  51. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    herd,

    wow that sucks. i cant tell you how many times i have fallen out of my heels like that.

  52. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    D, do you also feel the confederate flag has a treasonous history?

  53. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    I think I got whacked on the blog….testing….test test

  54. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    getterdone says:
    June 23, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    I think I got whacked on the blog….testing….test test

    hey, i can see your testies

  55. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Sorry to hear that Herd
    Were you at least strutting your stuff when it happened?
    4″ heels and all that is! 😉

  56. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Sorry that you’re a klutz Herd and sorry you broke your foot. That sucks, hope you heel fast.

  57. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    That sucks, Herd. Hopefully it will heal fast. Son is still thinking about your feet spelling it heel. LOL

  58. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Hoping for a quick recovery Herd. Defective heel is my guess.

  59. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    I Believe that it is my GOD given right to believe in anything I want to as long as I pay my taxes!
    As long as my actions do not effect the people around me!

    I Believe that you have the WHATEVER given right to believe in whatever floats your boat!
    As long as your actions do not effect the people around you!

    I believe that when people start telling me what I should and /or shouldn’t believe in is when The Shit starts hitting the proverbial FAN!

    And please don’t let your fears effect my lifestyle! 😉

    • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

      Ain’t nobody gonna rip the flag out of the back of your truck so quick worrying

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        Was not born in the South. Not my flag!

        I just get a little sensitive when folks tell me to do something because they believe it should be that way

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        That’s exactly it, it’s a government/public thing, people can still buy and hang Nazi flags in their house if they want, even in the front of their house if they really want to be an asshole.

  60. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Miami Dolphins ‏@MiamiDolphins · 3h3 hours ago
    The O-Line helped put up impressive rushing figures in 2014

    OL Coach Benton wants more: http://oak.ctx.ly/r/383zz

  61. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    And to have a deeper discussion!

    I wonder what UKFinFan and the rest of the Brits thinks of the old Stars and Stripes?

    Just a thought

    • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

      I think since WWI and WWII they’re fine with it.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      It doesn’t matter what they think, we were trying to break away from Britain and we’re two different countries now. If the South had held its own and became it’s own country that would be their national flag and they could have totally different rules than the U.S. I highly doubt black people would have remained there under that situation. But those states have to abide by the laws of the land – Constitution and Bill of Rights.

  62. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Tim
    You assume because you don’t want to see it that I don’t need to see it either!

  63. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Wyo, where do you draw the line with whatever you want?

    Also the SC government taking the confederate flag down isn’t telling you to do anything.

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      When it hurts the people around me it is no longer personal

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      You are also making a lot of assumptions for the people of SC?

      If they wanted it down it would have been voted down don’t you think?

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I’m just going by what the government officials are calling for. I’m not making assumptions for anyone. But once again, the flag is not being outlawed, just not flown on public property. It’s a classic overreaction to what you believe is an overreaction. The confederate army lost, they should have never been allowed to fly it on public lands from that point on because they are still part of the USA.

  64. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Wyo

    You can fly your freak flag bro, don’t worry. lol

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      I don’t fly any other than the stars and stripes!
      I just don’t like people telling me what I need or have to do!

      It sticks in my Craw!

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Nobody is telling you what to do. You could still fly a confederate flag if you want.

  65. D's avatar D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 23, 2015 at 4:29 pm
    D, do you also feel the confederate flag has a treasonous history?
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    I mean i think thats a perspective thing. Treason in its base definition, yeah kind of, you had a group of people dissatisfied with the condition they felt they were being put in that rebelled and succeeded from the ruling body. To the Union, they were traitors, to the south they were fighting for their freedom from a monarchy. I don’t think the Confederacy saw it any different than the American revolution where the motivations aren’t complete different. In that being the confederate flag could be seen by the south as a flag of a country it use to belong to.

    If you dig deep enough into the history of the civil war you find it to have been over way more than slavery, and almost identically to the revolutionary war was a subject of unfair taxation by way of controlling the value of resources that the South had an abundance of vs the refined ware that the North sold back to the South. South felt controlled economically and this was probably a stronger motivation for their succession than slavery. Its a much deeper hole here than i think i wanna dig into right now but suffice to say i think the perspective of who were the good guys and who were the bad can be very very muddy on the subject, and that perspective is what leads you to determine if they were traitors or freedom fighters.

    Honestly if it weren’t for a bunch of asshat racists it could fly as what it is, a flag of a former ruling country, and be a symbol of heritage, not hate. Again, i think you are right, it should be put in a museum either to honor it for it historical significance, or as you said to be a historical warning of what it has come to represent, im not sure, but i think on a state by state basis, the decision should be theirs to make.

  66. D's avatar D says:

    wyoming85 says:
    June 23, 2015 at 4:59 pm
    And to have a deeper discussion!

    I wonder what UKFinFan and the rest of the Brits thinks of the old Stars and Stripes?

    Just a thought
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    I alluded to that just above.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Different results make it not comparable. We’re allies now but no longer fellow countrymen. That and I don’t think Britain still has hard feelings anymore about it. We’ve moved on. Some in the south have not within their own country.

  67. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    ‘If you dig deep enough into the history of the civil war you find it to have been over way more than slavery’

    D,

    it is facts like this that just ruin a good argument based on one personal opinion stated as fact

  68. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    OK I lied

    🙂

  69. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Tim Knight says:

    June 23, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    I’m just going by what the government officials are calling for.

    That statement would lose you almost every argument there is! 😉

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Oh brother! They’re elected representatives voted for by the people of that state, all the people of that state, not just white people who like their past.

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        In all the conversations we have had today I’ve not brought up anything about race!

        Don’t stoop to that level of an argument please and we can stay civil

  70. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    The civil war was about preventing the union from coming apart largely due to economic reasons and slavery was apart of that. It’s amazing to me how people pooh-pooh the past with slavery as if it somehow effects their own personnel freedom. Think about a slaves freedom, or lack thereof.

  71. D's avatar D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 23, 2015 at 5:16 pm
    Different results make it not comparable. We’re allies now but no longer fellow countrymen. That and I don’t think Britain still has hard feelings anymore about it. We’ve moved on. Some in the south have not within their own country.
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    I think people in the South have moved on, unless you count the ones that cant make it through a sentence without saying Bear Bryant….. You have idiots everywhere, like the ones in Buffalo that told me they were shock i defeated them so badly in Trivia Pursuit because “we thought all Southerners were stupid”. Rebel flag to me is nothing but a former flag that flew over some of the states of the south. Its not the country i belong to, i have no aspirations of “what coulda been if the South hada won”. and i feel like its misrepresented in society that there are still a majority down here that feel that way.

  72. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Wyo, you just told me my statement would lose any argument, then ask me to be civil because I pointed out they’re elected officials and it’s not just about the old heritage for white people. Not following your rationale at all?

    The reason for this flag discussion is because a young citizen of SC went into a black church and killed them because they’re black citing racism as the reason and the confederate flag stands for his beliefs. Can people keep allowing that relationship to exist when it’s clear black citizens still feel like nobody gives a shit about it?

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      Tim
      the backing the government thing was a joke ( please see the winking smiley face)

      I wasn’t’ having an argument about a flag

      I was talking about people assuming they knew what was best for everyone else!

      It was tragic what that individual did!

      To lay that blame on anything other than himself is your opinion to have, or not

  73. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    I hate getting a new computer, but guess it is better than going without one (last one crashed two days ago). Still have to reset everything.

    Anyone else worried about us having someone who is best buddies with the Jets CFO?……George Washington said Benedict Arnold was a good guy too. 🙂

  74. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Heritage not hate:

  75. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Okay catch up later folks. I’m just having a discussion and not all heated even if you think that or believe what FFR says. I’m fine except for the employee I pushed down the stairs because they asked me for a paper clip. LOL

  76. D's avatar D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 23, 2015 at 5:34 pm
    Wyo, you just told me my statement would lose any argument, then ask me to be civil because I pointed out they’re elected officials and it’s not just about the old heritage for white people. Not following your rationale at all?

    The reason for this flag discussion is because a young citizen of SC went into a black church and killed them because they’re black citing racism as the reason and the confederate flag stands for his beliefs. Can people keep allowing that relationship to exist when it’s clear black citizens still feel like nobody gives a shit about it?
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    For the purposes of unity there are only two choices. You either abandon it as a icon, because its become so polluted by racist organizations choosing to have it represent them, or find a way to change the image of it by eradicating racism. Second is a much harder task, but it is the solution to a better world. First doesn’t solve the problem but its the easiest to be a first step to bigger change. Again, if SC or Charleston decide as a community to take it down, that should be what happens. Signalling as one unified voice they would liek to have change and it STARTS there is to me the best way this gets better. Government steps in and forces it, that doesn’t help things here. Again i think if they have some community meetings and are able to discuss openly with one another why this needs to happen, each can express why they feel it should or should not stay, then people are talking and hopefully each side begins understand the other. Id bet money its taken down and put in a museum very shortly after discussions end.

  77. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Dylann Roof, who has reportedly confessed to killing nine inside a black church, wore pro-apartheid flags, made a ‘lot of racist jokes,’ and was arrested with pain meds.
    Roof created a website this year called the Last Rhodesian, a reference to the white-ruled African country, which fought a bitter civil war against black majority rule before it became Zimbabwe. In photos posted to the website, Roof is seen wearing a jacket with the flags of Rhodesia and apartheid-era South Africa on the breast of his jacket.
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    Obviously this goes a lot deeper for him than being motivated by a SC confederate flag, don’t ya think?
    Also notice the mention of meds….I mentioned before a central theme with these sudden acts of violence being tied to the perps being on many meds, especially SSRI’s. Yet, very little uproar over that.
    The immediate uproar is repeal our 2nd amendment & take down some cloth flag from history. Yeah, that’ll show these psychos a thing or two, and solve everything. 🙄

  78. D's avatar D says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 23, 2015 at 5:45 pm
    When an employee asks you for a paper clip near the stairs its code for asking for sodomy

    You handle it well
    they had it coming
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    Depends, was he/she hot?….are you into that sort of thing? were the stairs secluded, camera monitored, are you voyeristic…. lots of variables. Im holding off judgement on how you handled it until more details come forward, but i agree with Piggy, definitely wanted sodomy.

  79. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Son, you flying that old Dolphins flag, I’m sure just gave OD a Woodrow.

  80. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I’m the furthest thing from the Jets CFO best friend. I’m not really even his friend, more a friend of a friend. He was my neighbor, and I see him at parties. I like the guy, and enjoy conversing with him. Now cut this shit out already. I’m going to buy a Jets flag if you keep this up!

  81. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    I think we have to abandon it, unfortunately for those who felt it had other meaning besides Hate, its been hijacked.

    Student: Can I borrow a pencil?

    Teacher: I don’t know. Can you?

    Student: Yes. I might add that colloquial irregularities occur frequently in every language. Since you and the rest of our present company understood perfectly my intended meaning, being particular about the distinctions between “can” and “may” is purely pedantic and arguably pretentious.

    That flag means hate.

  82. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    GDP

    Are the Dolphins a really classy organization?

  83. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I posted something positive about our offensive line When it was the subject of conversation and the only response I got was how is the weather in Texas and if I hate the whole state…LOL @PFF YOU GUYS

  84. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    so if a black guy commits a hate crime against a white group do they put the flag back up

  85. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    what if it is a gay guy performing a hate crime, then do they just say thats it, no more flag poles

  86. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    So what was the verdict on the appeal? wasn’t that at 9:30 this morning ? Shouldn’t we know by now ?

  87. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I am going to post a poll as to whether Mike E should be banned for a week for posting “go Jets”on this forum. It was not even an LOL afterward! Hell I almost vomited posting “go Jets” in quotation marks

    Mike E obviously hates the Dolphins anyone can tell by reading his posts lately

  88. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Somebody check under his bed for a big pod

  89. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rock

    Brady is going to get his 4 game suspension, I’m almost sure of it

  90. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Mike I can put something together for Thursday if you want

  91. naplesfan2010's avatar naplesfan2010 says:

    I can put up a petition we can all sign “Mike Hunts for stej.”

  92. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    D, things do get hijacked sometimes and it loses its luster for some. Like the socialist leaning Democrats who hijacked the words liberal and progressive. As if being either one is bad. Yes being open minded and for progress is a bad thing. But close-mindedness and status quo is genuine goodness. Makes no sense.

    Being for bigger and bigger government control is not necessarily liberal or progressive. But they hijacked those terms for their agenda. I consider myself liberal (open-minded) and for progress (progressive) but probably support having less government than most conservatives. How weird is that? LOL

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Really? Who says that? Feeling like a victim these days are we? LOL

        You live in a country that is predominantly all those things except for Republican, but what does that even mean anymore? I see it as we’re also for big government but only for the things we like.

  93. D's avatar D says:

    K so I understand the flag thing even if I don’t think itvsikves the real problem. I understand taking it out of commercial circulation, that’s the businesses on personal prerogative and if they feel strongly about it u applaud them for standing by their convictions. The things I’m hearing about them taking down statues of Confederate leaders though doesn’t seem to match up with what the are saying when calling for the flag to be brought down or do people not understand the separation of confederacy and racism. Flag and racism is because racist organization adopted that flag as its own. But Jefferson Davis statue doesn’t connect with the same symbology. That getting a little stupid imo

    • getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

      Their kids wear Mao & Che tee shirts, but hey, that’s ok. 😉

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I see Christian bumper stickers all the time and how I need to be saved. So thanks for caring or telling me I’m dumb. It works both ways, bro. 😉

  94. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    LOL @ Mike E using my excuse at work. ” you know boss if you fire me you’ll have to do my job too” keeps me employed every time ! LOL

    If I am banned I won’t have to write an article LOL

    How about “fuck off Rockphin it’s my site and I’ll post what I want to” LOL

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      It’s not my site, and I would never say something like that anyway.

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        Okay I will except that but just so you know it would not hurt my feelings at all if you did say that it wouldn’t be the first and will not be the last time somebody has told me to fuck off. 😝

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        And everybody else as well…….” Fuck off Rockphin” is a perfectly acceptable response to any of my posts IMO

        😆

  95. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Anyone here read that Ross is getting involved in F1 Racing?

  96. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Guys I only have one question regarding this flag conversation do I have to get rid of my general Lee replica? Or can I continue to drive around town in my early model orange muscle car with the flag painted on top?

  97. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    getterdone says:
    June 23, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    Ok, was that too soon? :shoc

    yep, now you done it, time to take down another flag

  98. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 23, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    Anyone here read that Ross is getting involved in F1 Racing?

    lol, there you go again thinking people here bother reading