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### Jarvis Landry, appearing on Sirius XM Radio, said he’s excited about the coaching change and pointed to two necessities for this offense: “putting guys in space” to make plays (he called for more screens) and protecting the quarterback (obviously).
Come on Landry! We don’t need more WR Screens!!!!!!!!!
Look at it from his perspective, he likes the ball in his hands. Also, the screens arent the problem, telegraphing them because of shitty play calling was more the problem. Tanny also seems to throw a WR screen pretty decently, though he could work on drawing the defense in a little bit better, he just cant throw a RB screen to save his life.
Landry just wants the ball in his hands more….lol
I think we need more plays in the middle of the field – away from the sidelines
A slant to Landry on 3rd down should be a staple of the offense
Landry has returner skills, i think he likes getting the ball with a chance to maneuver around blockers. I agree we need to have slants, etc, but i think Landry likes to see the field like that where he has pawns in place and he gets to maneuver around them. I think it will be a lot better opinion of WR screens if we arent telegraphing them by disguising formations and setting them up instead of calling them all the time. I also think will be better working Parker into those, as it gives the defense more of a threat to deal with away from the play, could set up some fake to the WR screen, deep slant to Parker kind of scenarios.
Since its a “re-porked” article, should we cut and paste our previous comments from the previous article? I mean we like re-hashing the shit out of the same arguments anyways so might just make it easier lol
Jarrad Davis, UF LB, not sure if he declares this year or not, but he’s a junior and might declare early.
Sleeper candidate. High motor guy.
“Dan Campbell, who was the team’s tight end coach before being promoted to interim coach in October, is not expected to return.
Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said on Saturday that he would love to see Campbell remain in the organization but that the decision was ultimately up to Gase.
Sources say that Campbell will make the decision easy for Gase.
Campbell wants to move on and will almost certainly leave the Dolphins. However, nothing is official yet.”
This from an article from yesterday on the PBP
D, I thought we threw the ball to the RBs really well. Not sure we even ran a lot of RB screens. Most of them were wide flat throws.
Landry did say putting guys in space. What exactly does he mean. What I want to see more of is how we use Parker – slants, deep crossing routes, deep outs, posts and deep perimeter throws.
See above, i think WR screens to Landry, along with other plays would help the same formation get Parker open on deep posts/digs. which is more of what we want him running.
So yes i agree with ya.
Hmmm guess i wasnt clear, by working Parker into those i mean as an away fromt he screen set up receiver. IE, throw a few to landry, then same formation, when they are drawn to the screen side, work Parker down the field on a deep post/dig for a big gain.
The Flying Pig says:
January 12, 2016 at 9:45 am
Landry just wants the ball in his hands more….lol
I think we need more plays in the middle of the field – away from the sidelines
A slant to Landry on 3rd down should be a staple of the offense
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Thats also part of it too, the time they are called. 3rd and long isnt the right time for a WR screen, unless its like 3rd and forever and you are going conservative/high percentage play vs pushing for a pickup on 3rd and very long.
The frustrating part of our offense was so multi-level. Play selection given down and distance was WAY off. There was no setting up of future plays, or i should say very little. They didnt hide one play alternative inside another very well. You could almost know what was the play just looking at their lineup. It was almost like they had a guy who let his 10 year old draw up the plays for him. Almost no concept of how to call a game by a guy with years experience in the NFL.
I agree that was the problem more than the plays themselves.
Its official, Campbell is gone.
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/01/12/dan-campbell-leaves-dolphins/
All the soup in South Fla just went stale
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If I was Gase I would not have retained him. Campbell is popular with the players and you don’t want a mutiny.
Rizzi doesn’t surprise me though. He knows the STs guys, the young kicker and punter so it serves Gase well to not mess with a good thing. STs was our best and most consistent unit last year.
According to the article, Campbell made the choice. I agree though probably worked out for the best.
he’ll end up in with the bills or the jets and beat us a couple of times a year.
LOL, damn Boulder, already got your off-season form back, impressive bounce back lol.
Bullard, UF DE/DT, a lot like Shaq Lawson, big athletic guy with speed on the outside and size/strength to set the edge and power rush. He can also slide inside on plays where we shift our DL, i like him as an alternative to Lawson if we miss out on him.
I really liked Campbell, but with a young unproven guy like Gase as head Coach, I agree, it’s definitely for the best of Gase and the team for Campbell to go. If things don’t work out down the road (hopefully not the case, with Gase), we can give Campbell a call and see if he’s interested in coming back.
Not sure what we’re going to do at TE this offseason but Gase utilized the TE quite a bit in Denver and Chicago. As far as WRs Landry, Parker and Stills is a good group for him to work with. Still didn’t catch a lot of passes but he did get deep and make plays down the field. Parker also proved to be a vertical threat so I think our offense has potential if we can solidify the OL and establish a solid running game.
per herald
### The Dolphins on Monday interviewed Titans receivers coach Shawn Jefferson for the same job and are expected to hire him, according to ESPN’s Adam Caplan and Paul Kuharsky (via Kuharsky’s Twitter account).
Jefferson caught 470 passes in a 13-year career but has drawn mixed reviews as a receiver coach.
didnt really develop Hunter very well, but Kendall Wright has turned out pretty decent. Dunno.
It’s hard to evaluate this kind of stuff. How much of the problem is on the player? Also the Titans are really young at WR with a rookie QB on a bad team. They are drafting #1 overall.
Isn’t he the guy who Zach blew up back in the day?
D, I understand Campbell left the team, I was just saying if I was Gase I wouldn’t have retained him anyway.
Ah, ok, and agreed. I think Gase would have wound up not keeping him anyways, despite “suggestion” by the FO.
I think it’s time to look at another TE, I think Cameron would be better as the 2nd TE.
I think Cameron is a really good TE, even last year when he didnt get his catches in he was open a good bit. I think he is a lot better than stats suggested. You should give him a pass for this year, we could upgrade Sims, but TE isnt a position i care to draft this year. Hunter Henry is awesome, and i think Howard showed last night why people hold him in higher regard than his stats indicate. Either would be an upgrade over Sims but im not sure id rather have them using a 2nd/3rd on a TE over another position. Again, probably a position we dont draft, unless we pick up some extra picks.
I don’t know D. I really didn’t see anything special from Cameron. He never seems to make the tough catch, and maybe that’s why Tannehill didn’t look his way so much. I think he’ll probably be our TE next year, because we have so many other needs, but maybe a guy in the mid to late RD’s. When I look at Cameron, I don’t see a super athletic guy who can make things happen, and I don’t see a physical guy who will get the ball and then be tough to bring down or one that blocks real well in line. Not sure if he does anything really well except that he has decent speed.
he is too expensive anyways
D
Have you seen OSU TE Nick Vannett play? Any thoughts?
I dont see him as an upgrade to Sims, but he seems solid and maybe better option as a blocker if we are moving to a more run based team. He seems a lot like the blocking TE’s that both Denver and Chicago had, decent receiving ability, very solid blocker. I havent watched a ton of film on him though, just a couple highlight reels.
I wouldn’t have a problem keeping Cameron along with Sims while looking for another TE who has some receiving skills. Sims was really progressing until he knocked himself out trying to make that catch and it took him awhile to work his way back and he was inconsistent as a receiver. But sometimes we’re too quick to write guys off, they do have down years. Sims could still be a solid overall TE as part of a group. But adding another guy who has overall TE skills would be good too.
When you start trying to improve your team using addition by subtraction you sometimes don’t really upgrade as much as you might think.
Tim
If you’re talking about Cameron having a down year, his entire career except one year is down year. lol
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CameJo00.htm
Also injured most of that time.
Cameron was targeted 70 times, only caught half. That’s pretty freaking awful. I know, it’s all Tannehill’s fault. My guess is Tanny decided to look elsewhere.
There is a good mix of catch-able balls and non catch-able with those missed opportunities. Several were thrown way behind him, i can see a couple of them in memory, but i also have seen him drop some he definitely should have had. I think both those can be attributed to chemistry between two players, but my big thing was his ability to get open and get behind the defense and he was able to do that. For a TE those are pretty elite level skills, i just dont see him as easily replaced.
There was a disconnect between the two a good portion the season. Cameron did come through with some nice plays though. But he did not have what you would call a good season as a receiver.
Mike E, TE wasn’t a staple of our offense. Just 58 receptions from the TE position. Maybe Gase will utilize the TE more often. The Bears had 91 receptions at TE last year and the Broncos had 101 in 2013 but just 63 in 2014 due to Julius Thomas being injured. Just some food for thought.
Both with Martellus Bennett and Julius Thomas you had the Cameron type guy, i think he needs someone with those skills to fully run his offense. I think he also needs a blocker type, so if we carry two i think we can do better than Sims in the last category, but if we wanted to give up a little blocking ability for better receiving ability i think id stick with Sims. Hunter Henry and maybe OJ Howard are the only two i would consider for drafting as an offensive weapon this year, i think both are an upgrade over Sims both in blocking ability and receiving ability. You have some like Vannett, Bryce Williams ECU, Tyler Higbee WKU, Jake McGee UF, who all offer a hybrid blocker/receiver ability, but i think Sims is a more polished receiver than any of this bunch, and better blocker than some. Some of these guys will go in the later rounds though so they wouldnt be bad pickups. Have a feeling we carry 3 TE’s this coming year.
We’ll see. Sims is a solid depth TE and I would look to add players, not replace everyone. Sometimes that just becomes a merry-go-round.
I think too many of us focus on the salary cap too often. Let’s see what happens because you have to know all the clauses in these contracts. Gase may really want Cameron because he has a different philosophy on offense and may feel he can be very productive in his offense.
We could clear 30mil salary cap without touching Cameron’s salary, and i think Gase could utilize him to his fullest potential.
Zac Taylor, the Dolphins’ quarterback coach, has already moved on, joining the University of Cincinnati as the Bearcats’ offensive coordinator. And receiver coach Phil McGeoghan left the Dolphins to take the same position at East Carolina.
Dolphins offensive line coach John Benton has interviewed for the same position with the Indianapolis Colts.
Really didnt like what i saw with Jevon Kearse last night. he didnt play the run especially well and he got burnt a couple times i saw, one on a TD pass to Howard. McKenzie Alexander was hurt most the game so didnt really get to eval him, but unfortuantely the other guy i was pretty excited to see play, Tankersly, also didnt have a great game. Both the Alabama OT’s looked pretty bad.
For the good though Shaq Lawson, even hurt looked like a beast. Did nothing but solidify my belief in him. Reggie Ragland looked pretty decent, but i think Reuben Foster looked better, with exception of a couple plays, he also looked fucking spectacular in coverage as he was like 30 yards down field with tight coverage on a WR on one play and got a PD, was pretty shocked by that one. I saw him a couple other times in coverage and it always was pretty tight, one was a little too tight and got a PI, good position on the guy, just a little too handsy. Derrek Henry showed why he won the Heisman. Turned a lot of nothing there plays into 4-5 yard gains, as well as breaking away on a few.
I didn’t watch every play last night but caught a good amount of the game and I didn’t see Kearse really do anything. Lawson looks like a player, powerfully built looking DE. The same with Dodd who may or may not come out. Ragland is pretty versatile. I was also impressed by Foster.
Kevin Dodd was a surprise player of the night, probably deserves more consideration if he enters the draft. Hunter Renfrow looks liek the next Wes Welker/Julian Edelman, get ready Patriots (although im guessing they draft MacCaffery) Kenyan Drake i have always known was a homerun kinda back, just seems a little fragile. Might be a later round Miller replacement, if things dont work out resigning him. DJ Reader, DT from Clemson wasnt too shabby, made a couple decent plays.
Dodd’s numbers were almost exactly the same as Lawson this season.
Renfrow won’t be for a few years, he’s a freshman.
I don’t think its a great draft for TEs
I don’t see any in the first 2 rounds worth really considering
This is CBS’s list
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2016/TE
I tend to like CBS sportsline for rankings of prospects
The AK prospect is reportedly the best prospect
I thought the Clemson TE looked pretty goo last night
I just don’t see a whole lot of 6’6+ guys available this year
I think we would probably be better equipped to compete next year if we focused on Defense and then OL before looking to TE or any other skill positions
I would probably cut Cameron
let him test the open market
and then resign him for a cost effective price or look to a low cost vet
maybe we can just renegotiate with him
there are usually decent vets out there at TE
we aren’t going to find a game changer at TE in the 2016 offseason
I’m disappointed that we have to keep stills but have to let mathews leave. I like mathews a lot more than stills.
I don’t view one over the other. One is signed for 5th rd money through 2016 and the other is a UFA. We need competition at #3, 4 sand 5 WR anyway which isn’t hard to do. There are tons of WRs out there.
I would rather have mathews on the team than stills.
Still is a better weapon than Matthews IMO
Matthews has the advantage of working with Tanny (and vice versa) since we was drafted
give Stills 3 years with Tanny and see what happens
Matthews did less in his first year than Stills did
Tim, D
I see more of Zach Miller in Cameron than I see Martellus Bennett. I think Jordan would be a good complimentary TE, a #2, while you have you in line blocking TE who can catch some too.
I think Cameron could be just that with Sims. I’m not going to get too crazy with evaluations based on this season. Our offense was a fuck up.
Fair enough. I think Cameron is going to be expensive though, about $9M, so unless we think he’s the shit, we might look elsewhere. Jermaine Gresham, Coby Fleenah, Ladarius Green, Ben Watson, Dwayne Allen and Marcedes Lewis all are FA’s
Your score is: 6828 (GRADE: A-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13 (PHI): Myles Jack, OLB, UCLA (A)
Round 1 Pick 18 (IND): Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech (B-)
Round 3 Pick 8: Shawn Oakman, DE, Baylor (A)
Round 3 Pick 13 (PHI): Karl Joseph, SS, West Virginia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 21 (WASH): Scooby Wright, ILB, Arizona (C+)
Round 5 Pick 8: Carl Lawson, DE/OLB, Auburn (A-)
Round 6 Pick 8: Jerell Adams, TE, South Carolina (A+)
Round 7 Pick 6: Jordan Walsh, OG, Iowa (B+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Tyler Marz, OT, Wisconsin (B-)
I really wanted to do a draft pairing 2 LBs I like a lot
Myles Jack + Scooby (dooby-doo) Wright
So I traded up and down
and appearently 1st pick doesn’t rate Scooby very high
Landing Oakman in the 3rd and Lawson in the 5th is ridiculous
I’m guessing those guys are 2nd rounders
this draft was about the 2 LBs for me
1 that’s great in coverage
and one that is a nasty gritty tackling machine in Scooby Doo!
I wouldn’t mind going LB, DB, LB in the 1st 3 rounds
I have my eye on guys like Scooby, Matkovich and D’s favorite Beckwith in day 2
Oakman at 6-9 would worry me. Not many guys playing in the league at 6-9.
Piggy drafting another player coming off of a serious injury in the 1st rd. That’s the Dolphins way. LOL
I know
but if you are going to look at LB early
Jack and Smith are both coming off injuries
those 2 guys are game changing type of players
and big school guys
if they are healthy
they should make an immediate impact
BTW I happen to think not getting Parker involved a little earlier than he was this season was not so much injury as it was our coaches being pansies
Boulder, again re-signing Matthews has nothing to do with Stills.
I know that. Again if I had to take one I’d take mathews.
But you don’t have to do that. You just want to re-sign Matthews. LOL
Scooby Wright
being my kind of player
Would be fun to watch with Suh and wright giving this defense a nasty streak
Piggy, I don’t think I would draft an injured guy at #8. Who are we to take chances? It’s like we’re a perennial winner who can take that kind of chance.
There are always good LBs in every draft and there is FA.
well I traded down
and we had 2 first rounders…lol
I think in the first round we need a difference maker on defense
Jalen Ramsey is my preference
but I think Jack and smith as LBs are right there
when it comes to injury
I think you have to evaluate what the story is along the way – especially at the combine
does the guy participate at the combine or in a pro day?
When they can’t play don’t bitch about it! LOL
Piggy, not sure why you think a guy coming off a foot injury all offseason wasn’t played because the coaches were pansies. If you remember he did play early on and then was shut down again.
He was ready much earlier than he played
He barely played early
I can say the same thing for Dion Jordan
I really think these coaches were way too cautious with young players
He re-injured/aggravated the foot. Look at his game log.
Tim Knight says:
January 12, 2016 at 12:08 pm (Edit)
Oakman at 6-9 would worry me. Not many guys playing in the league at 6-9.
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He’s a monster
I don’t think too much size is a detriment
he’s not exactly a slender built guy who is going to be pushed around
I do question his ability to pay in the NFL though
He probably would have been a 1sdt rounder last year
but this year – if you watched Baylor, it didn’t seem like there was much of a pass rush at all
of course that high paced offense doesn’t help
Oregon DE’s kind of fit under the same class
They had some big DEs that didn’t always play like beats
but there DE are being highly touted
Tim
There are no perfect prospects
A lot have dealt with injuries in college at one point
we’ve sort of characterized this team as drafting injured
but I think you be surprised how many guys who dealt with injuries as in college at some level were drafted and were productive
Other times guys are healthy in college and are set back by an injury early in their careers – for example Kevin White last year
Both LBs are coming off of season ending knee injuries. Smith probably won’t be ready the entire season, he just did it a couple of weeks ago. I like both prospects but I would probably pass if it was my call. Remember Stephen Ross expects many many super bowls. LOL
Round 1 Pick 9 (T.B.): Jalen Ramsey, CB/FS, Florida State (A)
Round 2 Pick 9 (T.B.): Vadal Alexander, OG/OT, LSU (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11 (CHI): Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU (B)
Round 2 Pick 18 (IND): Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama (A)
Round 4 Pick 8: Jalen Reeves-Maybin, OLB, Tennessee (A+)
Round 5 Pick 8: Carl Lawson, DE/OLB, Auburn (A-)
Round 6 Pick 8: Cyrus Jones, CB, Alabama (A)
Round 7 Pick 6: Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Jake McGee, TE, Florida (B-)
Trade back, trade up. Somehow i missed when they took Bullard as he was there when i picked 11th and tried to trade up for him, then when i get them to accept my trade he is off the fucking board lol. Still not a bad draft.
Tim Knight says:
January 12, 2016 at 12:23 pm (Edit)
He re-injured/aggravated the foot. Look at his game log.
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I remember him reinjuring his foot
the fact is – they barely played him when he was healthy for part of the season
they waited way too long to get him on the filed
He really didn’t play until after Matthews was injured
That wasn;t b/c Parker was injured – it was bc Matthews was injured
that is bc coaches assessed that Matthews was higher on a depth chart
the coaches held Parker back, he was ready and able to play before he replaced Matthews
Okay I remember it differently. Parker was involved early then he was gone for many weeks. Think about how many young players have played the last couple of years before saying we don’t play young players. I’ve never understood those comments because it’s not accurate.
I remember him making appearances, but played much. I do think it was primarily because he was still feeling discomfort in his foot, which finally settled out some late in the season.
but didnt play much.
I don’t think it was a midseason reinjury
It was an offseason reinjury
His screw had to be replaced I think
Don’t you remember the sweet screw bit I did
And D is right
I think there was some discomfort early
but there was a point this season when he was healthy and ready to go and the coaches just failed to get him on the field
part of his slow start was injury
but part of it was a coaches decision
it wasn;t until the Matthews injury when we really started to see Parker
Day 1 i would prefer us have a CB or FS, and id really hope its Hargreaves or Ramsey. Day 2 im hoping for a DE/ILB or to complement to the CS/FS we took in day 1. Draft seems best at round 2 this year, though 3 looks pretty solid too. Deep talent pool, but 2-3 seem thick with start right away talent.
I think a DB in the 1st round is a good idea
but I am kind of getting iffy about Hargraves and Mackenzie Alexander
Fuller is an interesting option – but he is probably not a top 10 pick
Ramsey may be off the board when we pick
I also kind of like the idea of 2 new LBs behind Suh and Phillips
a Smith/Jack and Matkovich/Beckwith/Scooby Wright combo behind our very good DTs (Suh and Phillips) might really help us be a top notch defense immediately
IMO that’s our future
getting guys behind the DTs who can make plays for us
but I include DBs as a part of that mix
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/2576623/devante-parker
So did they ever make it official to hire cousin Lance as the DC? I’m still holding out hope for a veteran guy.
Piggy, not all young players are ready to play significant snaps either. There seems to be this theme regardless of what these guys show in practice they should just play anyway. That’s not how it works. You practice well you play, you don’t practice well you don’t play. That’s the way it is for every team.
That’s how it could work. Plenty of teams do it.
We’ve been one of them. I can mention a boatload of rookies and 2nd year players who have played a lot the last few years. I’ve done it before and everyone either ignores it or says they played by default. It’s never accepted as a reality. LOL
I just named a few
Its the coaches who at the end of the day identify who performed well in practice
if a coach looks at a DE and say he doesn’t do a good job setting the edge yet – but he is a beast as a pass rusher
so I’m going with the guy who sets the edge
and I will worjk the pass rusher in slowly
then the coach makes a choice
at some point the coaches choices can be a bit too conservative
and that was Philbin most of the time in Miami
I think some of the things we have come to discus as injury issues with players like Parker, Dion Jordan and even guys like Taylor have been more about coaches decisions not to play them
Well
there are teams that do a much better job of drafting players and getting productivity out of them than we have done
The Packers, Steelers and the Bengals come to mind
and part of that is actually playing young players
I don’t think the Steelers have a very good defense
but all 4 of their LBs are first round picks
and 3 of 4 of them were drafted in the last three years (Dupree, Shazier and Jarvis Jones)
They don’t keep these guys waiting
they deal with young mistakes and balance that with game changing plays
There are definitely different philosophies by coaches of when to play young players or not
and some coaches are a lot more cautious than others
I firmly believed that Philbin was way too cautious with young players
and it was a detriment to our team
I am basically throwing the things that occurred this season at Philbin’s feet as well
since he was in control through the first month of the season
In this day and age when you have a few vet big contracts paired with rookie contracts
you need to get production out of your draftees
Also I note that all of those Pitt LBs went to pretty big schools (OSU, FSU for Timmons, Georgia and Kentucky)
so the transition was a little easier
I think I fault the coaching style more than you do on this issue
I don’t think injuries have been as big as a factor as others have made it to be
its just queasiness by coaches ion taking risks
and Philbin was never thought of as queasy
Brrrrr…..it’s cold and snowing here. 😦
The weather has been really weird. Sunday it was 60 then Monday 30+ and today maybe 40 something. We’ve had frost and sleet but no snow yet.
I agree with D
R1 CB/S
R2 DE/LB
R3 LB/DE
R4 OT/TE/C
R5 C/TE/OT
R6 TE/C/OT
R7 LB/DB
R7 DB/LB/RB
It would have been Different without Smiths injury and King opting to stay another year!
I like 3 LBs in the draft
but what if we really landed a real blue chip LB in the first round
that really changes things for our defense
to me Jalen Ransey is a blue chip safety
but I’m not sure Hargraves or Alexander are that much better than a Fuller
I’m not seeing the CBs as blue chip shut down CBs right now
Tim Knight says:
January 12, 2016 at 12:51 pm (Edit)
We’ve been one of them. I can mention a boatload of rookies and 2nd year players who have played a lot the last few years. I’ve done it before and everyone either ignores it or says they played by default. It’s never accepted as a reality. LOL
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its more cumulative over the years
bc its harder and harder when you get into day 2 and day 3 to find starters
But take a look at my Pitt example
Bud Dupree is starting and has been starting
Pitt’s future are those LBs
Dupree, Shazier and Jones
drafting productive players like that allows them to spend big $ on a rothlisberger to keep him
and there willingness to play those guys is paying off
coaches have to let rookies make mistakes sometimes
and I think Philbin was much to conservative to take those risks
Parker and date I say fuckface Dion Jordan probably should have been on the filed a lot sooner
Piggy pretty much summed it up for me. Sparano was like that as well.
All coaches have different philosophies on the subject
so coaches differ
but I think being cautious with young players is probably a relic of the old NFL pre-new CBA
It seems to me like you need your draftees on the field now
the balance of the salary cap is not spread evenly
you have expensive vets, cheaper ones and cheap rookie contracts
so you need rookie contracts on the field playing
and that is the modern day NFL economy
and I do no think Philbin appreciated that
D says:
January 12, 2016 at 11:24 am
We could clear 30mil salary cap without touching Cameron’s salary, and i think Gase could utilize him to his fullest potential.
hopefully that ‘fullest potential’ includes the ability to get open
I don’t really think we know the answer to whether Cameron was a one hit wonder with the Browns or not
so there is some risk in keeping him
Piggy
Who are your Blue Chip LB’s other than Jack and Smith?
That’s basically it….lol
I’m not really big on Ragland right now
but he would probably be #3
seems to me wie should go OLB early and ILB a little later in the draft
and nab 2 LBs
Healthy Scoobie is in that conversation!
Maybe Darron Lee, Ohio Sate
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wyoming85 says:
January 12, 2016 at 1:58 pm (Edit)
Healthy Scoobie is in that conversation!
Maybe Darron Lee, Ohio Sate
Scoobie is my new favorite
but he is not a 1st rounder
I think if he stays healthy Scooby goes in the first!
if you play first pick
they have him as a day 3 pick
on CBS he is 2-3 rounder
I don’t think he is going 1st
but I do love the way he plays
So I can see GMs falling in love with the guy
8: R1P8CB VERNON HARGREAVES III, FLORIDA
38: R2P7 DE SHILIQUE CALHOUN, MICHIGAN STATE
69: R3P6 FS JALEN MILLS, LSU
100: R4P5 OT KYLE MURPHY, STANFORD
135: R5P8 ILB CASSANOVA MCKINZY, AUBURN
164: R6P7CB BRIEAN BODDY-CALHOUN, MINNESOTA
195: R7P6 QB BRANDON DOUGHTY, WESTERN KENTUCKY
197: R7P8 DE JASON FANAIKA, UTAH
I don’t think you can make a draft order based on need just yet.
I know you think it’s too early!
but since the fins will never show me there draft board!
It’s my board!!!!!!
And it’s never to early!!!! 😉
Do save all of them? LOL
piggy
i wasnt impressed at all with cameron. but then again other then landry and a lil bit of showing by parker there was nothing at all to be impressed with regarding the passing game. and yes, that includes the qb
Piggy
I meant if he had stayed healthy this year!
If this year would have been anything like the last year he would have been in the first!
That makes a lot more sense…..lol
Scooby Dooby Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Herd has been on pins and needles all week! 😉
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One thought when evaluating some of our players. Many people here have been bashing the coaching and the systems so to then question if this guy is good or not, example Cameron, is kind of unfair.
tim
watching a player that is never open has nothing to do with the coaching
Okay but I don’t know who that player is.
I tend to think
when the design of your offense emphasizes using the bounderies to the extent that Lazor’s offense did
You are taking the TE out of the offense
No a whole lot of teams run a TE screen (although I saw the Bengals do it on sunday
We were really using the middle of the field much – and that way by design
That is the Oregon/Chip Kelly/Bill Lazor style of offense
YOUR TEAM
MIAMI DOLPHINS
YOUR PICKS
1: R1P8 CB VERNON HARGREAVES III FLORIDA
2: R2P7 DE JONATHAN BULLARD FLORIDA
3: R3P6 OG JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD
4: R4P5 ILB CASSANOVA MCKINZY AUBURN
5: R5P8 FS JORDAN LOMAX IOWA
6: R6P7 WR MALCOLM MITCHELL GEORGIA
7: R7P6 OG JORDAN WALSH IOWA
8: R7P8 DT QUINTON JEFFERSON MARYLAND
Where is Scooby!
work in a Scooby
Scooby was taken one pick before R2P7 so I took Bullard.
Keep Cameron, I want to see what he can do in the Gaser offense.
Look for a late round or UDFA TE prospect to compete/groom for seam threat duty in case Cameron gets hurt again also.
Penn St. Kyle Carter & SFla TE Sean Price are 2 I’d have my eye on….or a couple of SEC boys, Gator’s TE Jake McGee, who broke his leg early in his senior year, so ue’s under the radar a bit.
Also Vandy’s TE Scheu.
Keep Cameron he still has this year on his contract. No need to draft a TE early at all. A few good prospects in this class will still be on the board late & UDFA.
tim
i was talking about cameron. i just wasnt impressed with him at all. but like i told piggy other then landry and parker for a few games nothing about the passing game was impressive
I thought our RBs were a strength of our passing game.
But I hear what you’re saying. The offense was sub par much of the time.
Rock
was that first pick or the other site?
Fanspeak draft simulator with CBS big board
I know that Safety is not really considered a first round position but if Ramsey is available I take him before Hargreaves!
me too
And to me
Ramsey is one of the special players in this draft
I’m actually relaying on safety not being prioritized to have him drop to 8
fanspeaks’ big board has him listed as a CB while CBS has him as a SS
FFRob
I think the use of the TE, more than any other position (except maybe RB) was the most Affected by the style of offense we ran
We really did not use the middle of the field much
And if our safeties were Rashad Jones and Ramsey
paired with Suh and Phillips up front
and adding another LB (Scooby Doo?)
Look out NFL!
Should I mention some of the knocks on Scooby? 😉
This isn’t a mock
but what if our 3 picks were
1. Ramsey
2, Myles Jack (based on dropping due to injury)
3. Scooby Doo!
My head would explode
Woohoo!
Now we got a defense
Tim or Mike, you guys close to Point Pleasant?
Mike is closer, I’m about an hour north.
The Flying Pig says:
January 12, 2016 at 1:27 pm
I like 3 LBs in the draft
but what if we really landed a real blue chip LB in the first round
that really changes things for our defense
to me Jalen Ransey is a blue chip safety
but I’m not sure Hargraves or Alexander are that much better than a Fuller
I’m not seeing the CBs as blue chip shut down CBs right now
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Problem with Fuller is that no one knows what condition he is in. He never returned to the field after his injury, so you have to take that into consideration when potentially drafting him at 8. I would be ok with Ramsey at 8, but prefer a CB over a FS and im not at all concerned with Hargreaves, he has multiple years track record showing his skills. He didnt have the stats this year but thats because most people threw away from him, he is still to me the best cover corner in CFB
I would not draft Fuller at 8
but I would trade down and take Fuller
Rock
What I am hearing is that most scouts project Ramsey as a safety not as a CB
he played both positions at FSU
Howling Pig avatar READY!
Ok, so we are getting “ready” with our Avi’s? My Freakout avi on the way!
THEY PICKED WHO?????????
lol
Tim
I do save them all!
I’m working on a pre draft day article that will Kill the internet!
It will take FFR 3 hours to scroll past it to see if there is a BOTW at the end! 😉
LOL
Rockphin says:
January 12, 2016 at 2:22 pm
YOUR TEAM
MIAMI DOLPHINS
YOUR PICKS
1: R1P8 CB VERNON HARGREAVES III FLORIDA
2: R2P7 DE JONATHAN BULLARD FLORIDA
3: R3P6 OG JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD
4: R4P5 ILB CASSANOVA MCKINZY AUBURN
5: R5P8 FS JORDAN LOMAX IOWA
6: R6P7 WR MALCOLM MITCHELL GEORGIA
7: R7P6 OG JORDAN WALSH IOWA
8: R7P8 DT QUINTON JEFFERSON MARYLAND
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Thats a really solid draft Rock. Hargreaves, Bullard, McKinzy are all guys i like a lot. I like Garnett im still just nervous about Stanford OL lol….., Walsh in R7 seems like a steal to me.
I kind of liked it too. I missed on Ramsey by one pick but Hargeaves was still there so!
tim
i was just talking about the qb and wr’s. but there wasnt anything wrong with miller other then he would constantly get 40-50 yards in the 1st qtr and cause the coaches to bench him. he should know he cant do that till the game is out of hand and in the 4th qtr
Ramsey at S over CB is due to questionable speed right?
piggy
if it was the coaching that hindered cameron then ok. that none of us will ever really know. i obviously was just busing balls about him never being open. i can only go by what i saw but he seldom had any separation. if it was cause of scheme or talent i dont know
‘Look out NFL!’
uuugggggg, i hope we can be spared this all offseason. we already read ‘everything will be different’ for a whole offseason and we saw how that worked out
I wonder if Gase will have some input on FA LB’s he’s seen recently? The ILB’s in Denver Danny Trevathan or Chicago’s Shea McClellin, both are still young & have been productive.
The BEars also have OLB Sam Acho who’s 27 & a UFA as well.
I took a shot at doing a “Randy” mock draft. LOL
MIAMI DOLPHINS
Randy’s PICKS
1: R1P8 QB CONNOR COOK MICHIGAN STATE
2: R2P7 QB GUNNER KIEL CINCINNATI
3: R3P6 QB BRANDON DOUGHTY WESTERN KENTUCKY
4: R4P5 QB JOSHUA DOBBS TENNESSEE
5: R5P8 OT JOE DAHL WASHINGTON STATE
6: R6P7 OT HALAPOULIVAATI VAITAI TCU
7: R7P6 G VI TEOFILO ARIZONA STATE
8: R7P8 OT RYKER MATHEWS BRIGHAM YOUNG
wyo
i dont know dude. it has been a while with an ask mike. my finger is way out of shape. i may take more then 3 hours.
Hargreaves would be a nice pick if he falls to Miami. Need a shutdown type corner, cause Grimes might be out the door with his sideshow sidekick smut mouth sadie!
Jamar Taylor has 1 more year on his rookie contract. I’ve brought this up before, but I’d like to see a position switch for him to FS.
Other clubs have done this with varying degrees of success.
Redskins moved DeAngelo Hall to FS & he initially struggled but is now a play maker there & extending his career.
D, why are you still just nervous about Stanford OL?? Could it be because of:
Jonathan “marshmellow” Martin?
Indeed
I’m sure after reviewing film of the team Gase is going to point out pros and cons he sees at every position. That’s what he and Grier will be doing preparing for the Senior Bowl, Combine, Pro Days and then FA. He’s the HC, he should have say in everything about the team
Of course.
GD, what’s with the Point Pleasant question?
Kid from there is a senior TE @ Va Tech. Ryan Malleck. He’s certain to be an UDFA, likely won’t make a roster.
TE John Nalbone was from Monmouth which was very close to Pt. Pleasant so there’s that. LOL
Tim Knight says:
January 12, 2016 at 12:55 pm (Edit)
The weather has been really weird. Sunday it was 60 then Monday 30+ and today maybe 40 something. We’ve had frost and sleet but no snow yet.
I know, weather is crazy this year. I can deal with a little cold weather, even a little snow. What I don’t like is the extreme changes from warm to hell frozen over. I like to gradually transition from one season to the next.
Yeah it messes up your body.
Ya might need to live in a different region of the country for that, or even maybe another planet. 😉
The list of coaches being reported as being of interest to Gase is really starting to concern me!
Vance Joseph
Chris Foerster
Shawn Jefferson
Clint Hurtt
Jerome Henderson
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
So you want who, who, who, who and who?
Ha!!! Chris Foerster was our OC in 2004.
I like Clint Hurtt, Vance Joseph is getting talked up like crazy but id prefer Schwartz.
Tim Knight says:
January 12, 2016 at 2:44 pm
Ramsey at S over CB is due to questionable speed right?
Reply
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Ramsey doesnt have good coverage speed, he seems more of a zone prospect due to his instincts and closing speed. He doesnt seem to match speed receivers on routes, he also seems to bite on double moves alot. He would be a liability in man to man on the outside.
That’s what I’ve read about him.
Look at this man now, does that inspire you that our DL wont be a bunch of pussies!
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Matt Burke, LB coach at cincy, supposedly coming over as out LB coach. Hopefully we wind up with a Vontaze Burfict minus the illegal shit
Can’t see it.
Ya got to bring an experienced DC to Miami…IMO. No 1st timers paired with a 1st timer HC!!!
Gase saw what Wade Phillips is doing in Denver, & what Vic Fangio was trying to do in Chicago.
Get Schwartz in here or Mike Smith if he can’t get hired as a HC. I’d look at Leslie Frazier too.
Heck, I’d even get Mangini here as DC if they’re blowing things up in SF. He’d be an experienced voice for Gase. Build a once again dominant top 5 Defense in Miami & then Mangini can write his ticket for HC somewhere else in a couple of years. He’s only 44.
Also Chuck Pagano’s younger brother may get the boot in San Diego as they start over with a new HC.
John Pagano is 48 & a well respected defensive mind.
So you want who, who, who, who and who?
I don’t know really…..some guys with experience? Guys who DON’T coach squads ranked 22-31 in the league? A Line coach who didn’t previously coach the worst offensive line in Miami history (before the last 3-4 years)? and had Olines in the bottom third of the league his whole career?
A D-line coach that wasn’t involved in the biggest scandal in UofM’s history? You know guys who are worth a shit!?
Then read above.
I don’t see it as that cut and dry. It’s not like these guys have only coached a year. Rankings are tough to grade for asst. coaches, they only coach their position group, they don’t call plays. Personnel matters too. Dom Capers and Mike Nolan were both vet coaches with good reps and neither did well in Miami.
But you go with an experienced play caller as DC! I’ve mentioned this till I’m blue in the face. Especially if you have a rookie HC.
Philbin was a rookie HC & hired rookie DC Coyle. Get me an experienced DC that has played chess against some of the best offensive play callers!
GD, I’m not against a vet DC but I don’t think that’s the end all. I don’t think you can compare everything to Philbin and his staff and where they came from. Already people are saying I’m tired of the Bengals connection. Like that means anything. LOL
Not really comparing to Philbin’s staff. Just saying it’s too many rookies at the crucial spots on the staff.
I haven’t seen many cases if at all where it’s worked like that around the league.
Even an experienced HC like Kubiack brought in experienced tried & true coordinator on the side of the ball he’s not the type of coach of.
I understand. I guess what I’m saying if the guy is a good coach, it may not matter.
The San Jose Mercury News reports the 49ers are no longer in the running for Bengals OC Hue Jackson.
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Ha, so all that crap about Jackson a done deal in SF, so we better hurry & hire Gase because we won’t be getting to interview Hue….smh
I’m sure Gase was their pick regardless of what happened with Hue.
They had interviews lined up for Hue & a couple others. But Ross saw his face in a young Gase and got lost in a dream state.
GDP
Why did you ask about Pt. Pleasant?
He was looking into a Turkish bathhouse there.
Yeah, which ones do you turkeys go to?
GD, that’s too far for me, I only go to Albanian ones that are closer. LOL
Tim & Mike just hangin out gettin their scrub on.
GDP
Seriously, what about Pt. Pleasant?
He’s was looking to order a monkey from a ranch there.
Mike, if you scrolled back far enough to see that question, then you would’ve seen my answer to it for Tim.
Get some glasses will ya! sheesh.
lol, it was a kid from there who’s a senior TE for Va Tech. But he isn’t too much of a prospect for now. Likely UDFA. Ryan Malleck, not to be confused with the other Ryan Mallett.
Mike can ride a big wheel to Pt. Pleasant.
LOL, that’s close, or else all the plastic would wear of the wheels before he got there.
I take it Mike is still looking for his glasses or making a new pair. 😉
He could be headed to the LA Chargers as OC/Asst HC with McCoy.
Honey we’re going to the opposite coast. Climb on my Great White with me & I’ll give you a ride.
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With a machete I hope?
Not surprised.
What do you think of the new coach now?
First move – Fire Fox!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂
…or what do you think of Grier now.
Good afternoon everyone.
Two guys that impressed me in yesterday’s game:
Kevin Dodd DE Clemson & TE OJ Howard.
Get both in a Fins uniform ASAP LOL …. especially Howard
Howard had very little production in college but he does look the part.
Anyone who leaves DB in the dust whew…lol.
Did you see his shoulder muscles when they showed them on TV?
They looked like bowling balls
He would need to gain about 15 lbs to be able to block well in the NFL but he’s got the height and speed and agility.
Wyo,
That was expected…
I’ll impressed when Gase finds a suitable replacement.
I can’t help but to feel like a Browns fan these days.
I expect Gase to be fired in 3 years.
That could be the Gase
Meh!
I’m just glad someone finally fired him!
Maybe at least see one season before shitting on him. LOL
Al, I think Clemson’s execution on that Howard play was bad though. I didn’t particularly enjoy the game. Some of it was solid. But it reminded me of why the NFL is shit these days.
Yeah, not the purest of football 101 mano a mano where you try to win your matchups.
More like everyone just run around like nuts then fling the ball or tuck it and run in several directions…lol
Exactly!