By D
Senior Bowl week can be broken down into 3 distinct phases. First phase are the practices, where the players get to gain valuable experience working with NFL staff, meet with team executives and coaches, get valuable looks from scouts and also get additional financial and profession counselling. This can be the week that a player makes or breaks himself, potentially earning or costing them millions in contract money. Practices by far make the most difference from a scouting perspective as these are pretty much for the eyes of NFL evaluators. They also have scheduled post practice private meetings with GM’s, as well as team hosted dinner events.
The second phase of Senior Bowl week is the interaction with the public. Players generally go to local hospitals, schools, etc. and they meet with kids/parents. There is also the player meet and greet scheduled for Friday of Senior Bowl week. This is an event I attended for the first time this year and it was a blast. I got to meet, and have brief conversations with players, some of which I left VERY impressed with. Each player meets with fans and signs autographs for about an hour and 15 minutes straight, and at a pretty fast pace. These events are designed for players to see the effect they have on fans lives, and how their actions and attitudes are important. It is also designed to prepare them for things to come, things like sitting down for hours on end to sign auto-graphs for both those fans who would travel across the country just to meet them, and to those who may be getting that signature for financial gain. Through it all is a revelation how giving back, and remaining professional and respectful to fans is now as much a part of their job as playing football.
The last phase is the game, and while it gets all the coverage, to be honest it’s the least important of all phases. It is the final test in a week full of preparation and scrutiny, the culmination of a very taxing week and a chance to put their college colors on one last time. They are stepping out of the old life and into the new. It’s the last College Bowl game, and yet, already they have new game, new rules, new formations, and new coaches who could possibly be part of their new lives. The week is kind of culture shock for a lot of them but in spite of how draining it, it’s really just the beginning. After the last seconds of that game, players have to start moving on, start thinking of what’s up next, start taking all the things learned at Senior Bowl, all those flaws that were pointed out to them and have those ironed out before Combine. Drop 10 pounds, shave a couple seconds off that 40 time, work on running better route, rehab that tweaked thigh muscle, they have 3 weeks.
There is one last thing for fans and it occurs right after the game ends. When the game ends, some fans stay behind and line up at fences near the buses the players leave in. This is something that is really important to me, so every year, I try my best to go see the players off. The players got to the locker rooms, change out and then walk out and say goodbye to their fans, sign their last autographs as college stars, and jump on the bus to go off and catch a plane and begin their professional lives. It’s always the best time to me, and sometimes the saddest. I have always had at least one player I have had to say goodbye to as a Gator, so in some ways it kinda stinks, but then again, it’s also very exciting. In some ways, to me, it’s almost similar to the feeling you get when you drop your kid off on that first day of school. I usually don’t bother with getting an autograph, I just shake some hands and tell them that I am hoping the best for them in the draft and the rest of their careers, It’s a great wrap up to one of my most favorite weeks of football.
As a postscript, I would like to say will have plenty about the prospects I met, comments about them, what some scouting information I got on, etc., but I’ll do them as comments, I typed this thing like 5 times, and each time it was so massive I decided to just focus on what the week means to the players and fans and try to bring a little bit of this experience to you guys. I hope maybe one year we can do a FU meet down here for the week and do this as a group. I think it would be a really great time.
Finsmob Unleashed 
First! YES! YES!!! lol
I see your using your pillow talk you use on your lady friend✋
I always come first. lol
Now I really know it is Groundhog’s Day.
Great job D!
So it couldn’t carry over the comments?
No – I just copied it and re-posted it. I couldn’t see any way to just reinstate the post along with the comments. My work PC and my brain are very limited. lol
Oh because Piggy’s re-posts have all the comments from the past.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/02/pro-6-potential-cap-casualties/
I agree with Cameron. I’m willing to move on from him. We could spend his salary elsewhere.
….and who’s the TE that will exploit the seam in Gase’s offense?
I don’t see his cut coming so quick or easily.
Did he exploit the seam this year? Why will it be different next year?
The deal with Cameron all depends on what Gase feels about him in his offense. If he’ll be a big part of it or not. If he’s not going to be one of the focuses he’s not worth keeping at that salary.
I dont expect Cameron, i think a lot do, but i think Gase will stick with him unless he is just sold on a guy in the draft, that he feels assured he can get. This isnt a great TE draft and there arent many TE’s in FA that are as good. I really feel there were two major issues with Cameron this year. No chemistry with Tanny, and poor play design. I saw a bunch of times he was behind defensers and open deep, i saw several times where he an Tanny just didnt have the timing down with him on crossing routes (most the time Cameron was open and to certain spots well before Tanny anticipated. They also started getting more in sync with one another as the year went on, again pointing to a chemistry issue that changes as they year progressed. Unless there are just major personality conflicts, or they fall in love with a draftee, i just dont see it. Id expect to see a bunch more cuts before that one, so if it happens it happens late.
Ask twice if he knows how to run it with comments
The Oddyssey was scheduled before Ds article went up (I think Herd pushed it back a day)
There is a wedge scouting report scheduled for tomorrow
So if you want to run Ds piece another day or so – just push back the wedge scouting report
I scheduled an Oddyssey every Monday
And a wedge report every Tuesday for the next few weeks when we did have anything else scheduled
If you want to run a certain piece (ahem Mike E) for a few days you just have to push back the previously scheduled post so that the current one will run
You just have to modify the schedule
I swear Mike it’s like watching headless children try on hats
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Lol, i honestly think everything would have been cool with the repost of the Oddessy were it without the previous posts. I think the biggest thing for me is i jump on and start reading comments and then somewhere down the line im like wait, these comments are from 2 months ago, and then i have to check dates to see which are new posts, etc.
There are plenty of FA TE’s this season, Ben Watson, Coby Fleenah, Jermaine Gresham, Vernon Davis, Zach Miller.. Plenty of options
Plenty of options, but none of those guys are seam threats like Cameron. Camerou was neck and neck with Jimmy Graham last year in FA. Teams felt like both were good options, Jimmy was the better one, but still Cameron is a very talented, uniquely so, TE. He isnt that easily replaced. His issue has always been health, he showed last year he can stay healthy, the playing better will come with time with Tanny.
Anyone see that Morrison pick i posted this morning to the older Senior Bowl post?
Mike E. says:
February 2, 2016 at 11:04 am
There are plenty of FA TE’s this season, Ben Watson, Coby Fleenah, Jermaine Gresham, Vernon Davis, Zach Miller.. Plenty of options
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None of them did anything that was heads and tails above Cameron & about 4 of them are much older.
Watson is the only one i think could give you the vertical threat that Cameron does and he is aging. I wouldnt sign him in FA, Fleenah has never done anything special and thats with a QB he has tons of chemistry with. Vernon Davis does not look like the Davis of old at all and Gresham is someone everyone here gets excited for every year but he really isnt that good.
Again, i would make the cut IF we are absolutely needing the cap space. If there is a move to make out there that would really solidify the team and i have made my other cuts and its down to Cameron as the last one, id cut him to improve our team significantly in another area. If its not significant or there is another person i can cut to get me the needed space, im holding on to him and cutting someone else. Used correctly and with better chemistry his next year could be monster.
exactly…besides, the talk is they have a caveat in Suh’s deal that he can be restructured to lower his hit some this year.
I don’t see Cameron’s salary for a player that’s healthy and contributing as much a hindrance as some of the other high priced guys we got.
Mike, Cameron was in a new offense for him. He still caught 35 passes (when he wasn’t required to stay in to help the poor OL play) for an 11 yd average & 3 TD’s, including a game winner I believe.
….and like D mentioned. He stayed healthy, and that was everyone’s big worry.
I think Gase will make things easier for all the receivers, including the TE’s.
Cameron is 6’5 260 & can make plays. Not many TE’s can do that around the league, and new ones drafted have mostly struggled a year or two as you’ve seen.
So if you think drafting one is a quick fix, it’s likely not. So be patient for a few years till that guy develops.
….even the guys on the team that were in the 2nd year of Lazor’s offense struggled. That’s how bad it was.
Cameron wasn’t really a big part of our offense last yearwhich is another thing Lazor goofed up. We signed the guy to be a weapon and he made him a 3rd option. He’d much rather throw his bubble screens then exploit the middle of the field. Jerkoff! LOL
Cameron was targeted 70 times last year which is 4.375 per game. But as the season went on it was less and less. Why?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/14189/jordan-cameron
D, GDP
Most of those guys except Davis are more complete TE’s than Cameron, especially Gresham, Watson, and Fleenah. Cameron doesn’t block, and really, he’s had one productive season. I don’t see what everyone loves about him.
He has separation ability. Ben Watson had his best season this past year in his 12 year. TE numbers don’t always tell the whole story.
D says:
February 2, 2016 at 10:03 am
A lot of those CB’s at Senior Bowl could easily be FS’s. Its a lot easier transition to move from CB to FSthan the other way so if we were to draft a guy out of position and expect them to start id rather do that than draft someone like Jalen Mills as a CB.
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Agree.
I think the more I think about how Belichick went about reconstructing his D to where it’s at now, the more I like the strategy of taking a cover corner early and the default option to move him to S if it doesn’t work out as good as the talent was suppose to be at CB (McCourty in example).
Imagine if Vontae Davis would be moved to FS….I know people tout his pure man skills but he still exhibits those bad PI penalties against the better WR in this league.
Vontae isn’t the best of examples. He went on to Indy & has done well @ CB.
I can see several of the CB’s i saw moving to FS. Canaday for sure. He’s a pretty big dude. Thick and fairly tall, he would hold up in run support and has coverage skills to play well at FS. Sean Davis VERY easily could make the transition.
Im still a fan of us getting a pure coverage guy early, i prefer with our first pick, and then get a second guy with flexibility to play the other side if that works out best of FS if it doesnt. Its possible Lippett makes the move over too. Thats kind of how i see it, replace Grimes with a top pick, take a second guy, with size who cant play the other outside spot or move to FS, with Lippett settling into the other role, outside or FS, whatever the other guy doesnt fill.
Its going to come down to a LOT of factors. Im sure right now they are getting a bse strategy with people they already have focused on as potential cuts. Those guys are laid out on a board somewhere and they also have their draft strategy started, maybe some early ideas of players they wish to target but for sure what positions they want to target based off their potential cut list.
They will probably approach some of the player looking for them to restructure or flat out take a pay cut, how they respond very likely alters the plans and adjust every cascading strategy beneath it. Early on it will be top down adjustments but i think as the combine and pro-days start to get them sold on certain prospects its may start happening bottom up and becoming more certain of their draft board might actually initiate some later roster cuts.
I find all of it pretty interesting really, kinda like watching a move that has no defined start or ending that just fluidly adjusts as you go, or like those old choose your own adventure books that changed the story by each decision you made as you read them.
I do think some of the first steps are maybe a week before starting. I dont think its going to be much longer until we at least know the beginning of the book, the rest, like who we will be targeting in the first, will unfold after some of the other phases pass on.
I’m not so sure Jordan Cameron is a good fit in Miami, however, that was under the old system. I think with Gase, it will be a matter of how the TE is going to be used. This whole thing with Lazor moving Cameron sideways instead of North/South along the seems really hurt him.
Cameron also got called into Fasano duty because of Fox also.
I looked into it and Gase utilized the TE much more than we have the last few years.
Give me TE Tyler Higbee in the draft and call it a day. I’d bring back Stoneburner and keep his development going.
Still, the price tag on Cameron is MEH IMO. Zach Miller is serviceable (probably will be ALOT cheaper) and was productive in Gase system.
I’d rather use Cameron’s money on re-signing Vernon and/or Miller
Rather use it on OL, CB, FS,😂
Hopefully we’re drafting all that, rather than paying for it in FA
I’d pay for Osemelle.
I think w/ Vernon/Miller it really comes down to how the Fins strategy will play out in FA + Draft. Forte might be an option (2 year type option until another RB can be drafted/developed). I still would like to Miller re-signed but I’m not a fan of paying up for RB.
Dbolt,
I agree, still needs some development though so a FA patchwork type TE will be needed (assuming Cameron is to be cut) until Higbee can prove his worth in the lineup.
Speaking of TE, what’s the deal with South Carolina TE Jerell Adams? PFF is in love with this guy and they keep talking up shit from the SR BOWL practices that he was flashed goodness.
I haven’t really looked at him much.
I kind of quit paying attention to him after talking to my cousin from Hopkins SC. Who knows maybe he was hinder by the ball coach.
Adams would best replace Cameron because he has the most ability as a seam threat. He was pretty good at Senior Bowl, was considered the best TE of the week. When i met him he seemed pretty thin to me, kind of lanky like a bball player. He weighed in at 6’5 244, but he looked taller and lighter. They said he was also the best blocking TE as well, going agaisnt Noah Spence in practices and defending him well.
Vet TE I’d consider is Scott Chandler. I heard BE is probably going to let him walk.
Tim
Watson was the 2nd TE with Graham in NO’s, so you can’t really count those years. Brees and Graham were the shit
Graham wasn’t in NO this year, he’s in SEA.
Right Tim, which is why he had a great year this year. I was talking about the other years silly!
GDP,
From what I’ve been reading, I think Noah Spence might have been the biggest winner out of the SR BOWL event. He’s looking top 10 now.
Id say Vernon Butler, he was destroying people. Spence impressed on the field for sure, but i wouldnt say he was the biggest winner by a long shot. They said his interviews went badly. He came off less like he had moved on from his past and more defensive about it, also said he came off very arrogant. From the interviews i would be concerned he would be the next Dion Jordan. He had A LOT of drug issues at Ohio State. Being talented and getting kicked out of that school is pretty friggin hard to do. Some team will take a chance on him and get a good player, but im not sure if he will be able to manage himself at this point.
Miller had 34 receptions for Chicago in 2015, Martellus Bennet had 53. It would appear the Gase offense did utilize the TE position last year in the passing game.
Miller picked up the slack after Bennett went to the IR late in the season.
10 yards per reception combined and 8 TDs. That is 8 out of Cutler’s 21 TD’s, maybe more of a redzone threat? Not that the Fins have struggled scoring TDs in the redzone…
Dbolt,
PFF says Adams was really limited by the passing game ….was asked to block alot and when he did run routes, they claim the passer was pretty terrible
South Carolina as a whole was AWFUL this year. They had no offense.
Also Spurriers system doesnt use TE’s heavily outside of blocking.
The 2015 season marks the first time PFF is honoring positional coaches and coordinators across the NFL. We felt it was time that the guys behind the scenes got the recognition their efforts deserved, and took it as an opportunity to highlight the work we saw as exemplary.
It is important to understand that our selection process was not based around choosing the coach with the best overall talent, or even just the group who performed the best.
In its simplest form, it was about who managed to get the most from what they had, whether that be All-Pros or undrafted free agents and cast-offs.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/20/pro-pffs-2015-nfl-positional-coaches-of-the-year-awards/
Nary a Dolphin coach anywhere on the long list, even as a runner up.
Glad Ross made a change of direction.
I was talking up Jerell Adams well before the SB. Glad he continued to show well.
Like I said before, he did well in a team having it’s HC retire midseason, and poor QB play.
But he’s part of the new breed of TE’s with BB skills.
But if we draft him, don’t expect big production out of the gates.
Many of you here were drooling over Ebron and he’s still struggling in Detroit. How bout Amaro, etc…
They’re headed down bust lane both of them.
Al, yeah Spence looked like a guy ya want on the field, but…..but….. 😉
TE’s i like in this draft would be Hunter Henry, Jake McGee (really under the radar right now), Higbee, Vannett and Adams. Henry is the only one i would draft with the idea he replaces anyone. The rest i would draft as a third TE. A few of them i could see taking significant reps from Sims before the end of the year.
LOL. Higbee is my top TE in this class with Henry at number 2. I like David Thomas as a number 3 on the NFL level.
D
What RD is Henry expected to go?
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Thanks D-Bolt
Any of you taken a look at TE David Morgan II out of U of Texas-San Antonio?
He looks like a good inline blocker with quick compact feet.
They split him out in the slot and edge a few times. Seems to round out his routes when going out for 10 yard square in/out routes but he seems to have those short compact leg movements you see out of someone like Jarvis Laundry that really helps him out in short space and on quick slant routes underneath.
Haven’t we had enough of small school guys not producing? Just saying.
But he’d likely be an UDFA anyways, so I’d look at him in a 90 man camp, sure.
LOL….I called him Thomas up above, damn you Wendy’s😂
Bookman,
(Miller) all while playing with cracked ribs 🙂
Mike, Watson has been in the league 12 years – 6 with NE, 3 with CLE and 3 with NO. My point was he never had a season as good as this year. It has nothing to do with Graham.
Sure it does. 2 years in NO he was behind Jimmy Graham. He had a couple of good years in CLE, not great. But he can block, while Cameron can’t. Cameron is a 1-dimensional TE, and besides that 1 season, he’s done nothing.
He also had 1 very good year with NE
My point being his best year was his 12th season, so Cameron might have his best years ahead of him in the right system and if utilized more.
Sorry, with CLE
D,
I like Butler as well but if he moves into that high 20s range (20-24) then he certainly is a big winner with such a big drop off in money outside of the big round. My comment on Spence was just about moving into top 10 money…
Here’s a list by the way of last year’s 1st RD draft class so everyone can see how the salaries play out per pick and what a big showing can do for any athlete looking for that guaranteed $ (scroll down to the bottom of the article to see the table).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelzer/2015/05/01/2015-nfl-draft-1st-round-rookie-salary-projections/#6e4c3f826d0f
GDP,
Ebron’s issue have been his hands…HUGE disappointment in that category. Otherwise he seems to be running good routes.
Yeah that whole hands thing. LOL
gdp
And none of our new coaches are on that list either. Lol
Al,
Did you see Bloomsburg now has a block party Twitter handle😂😂😂😂
@BloomBlockParty: 🙌🏻🙌🏻🍻 https://t.co/b8ZsUWPriM
Dbolt,
LOL
Best part is the photo they use for their handle. Students setting shit on fire while others watch while an armored police vehicle is pulling in😆
How about we just draft Henry Krieger Coble out of Iowa in the 5th round?
Randy,
From what has been mentioned about Gase it seems he prefers big OL, with that said what’s your opinion of Denver Kirkland as an OF who can serve as an B/U LT?
Randy / GDP,
Makes you feel comfortable that Gase retained about 7 coaches eh? lmfao.
Anyway, I think some of these things are overrated (a support list). Good players and a strong HC dictate alot. You think McDaniels (Shula as well…sorry GDP! lol) is going to have similar success elsewhere? GTFO
6 of the coaches Gase retained are asst. positional coaches, quality control coaches, strength and conditioning trainers and those all important Football Research Analysts that we discuss all the time. The latter aren’t even considered coaches.
Dbolt,
Fire stuff sounds about right for mountain life lol (see WVU)
For you SR BOWL guys, what was your impression on Indiana OL Jason Spriggs? Kept reading how he surprised (kept up with Spence at times) and that he’s an ideal fit for a zone block scheme. I don’t know if he will be available in RD 2 (projected 2nd rder) but as much as I hate wasting another pick on a OL, this fucking teams needs one and might have to grab one in the 2nd (I hope not the 1st GULP lol)
I liked Spriggs before the SR. Bowl and nothing changed after. I think he can be a similar tackle as Matt Light.
Dbolt,
I haven’t looked at Kirkland in depth. From what little I’ve seen, my initial opinion is he’ll struggle with the speed of NFL DL…even inside. I don’t think he’d even be a legitimate option a tackle. But, if Gase likes them big…Kirkland fits. Will he be available in the 4th or 5th rounds? I wouldn’t be interested until probably he 5th.
Early estimates are between rounds 3-5.
I had actually liked Tretola, but I saw a few different instances during SR. bowl week where he was taken off his feet by the DL and looked like Dallas Thomas.
Al,
I agree. players can make or break coaches. PFF is too subjective for me most of the time.
The only thing I could notice about oline at the senior bowl was that Nick Martin constantly had the ear of his teammates when he was on the sideline.
I thought Martin and Whitehair were very impressive the entire week & in the game.
dbolt48 says:
February 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm
I had actually liked Tretola, but I saw a few different instances during SR. bowl week where he was taken off his feet by the DL and looked like Dallas Thomas.
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lmfao on Dallas Thomas reference 😦 . I hear Tretola is a mauler type blocker and not zone scheme fit…
I heard he plays with a lot of power but also moves pretty well.
Athletic guy who threw a TD pass in 2014….I think.
Yeah, he is, but as I mentioned to Randy it’s been said Gase likes big OL & it also sounds like that’s the direction Grier wants to go to compete in our division. Tretola seemed impressive during the college season, but jebus it scares me when I see a big guy taken off his feet like I saw last week.
With him I guess the question is, same with Kirkland, we’re all of his defeciencies covered by playing on a unit that was the most massive in the game?
Randy,
Hypothetical question but you think Juwan James can play inside (in event Fins find another RT?) ?
Tim Knight says:
February 2, 2016 at 12:14 pm
Mike, Watson has been in the league 12 years – 6 with NE, 3 with CLE and 3 with NO. My point was he never had a season as good as this year. It has nothing to do with Graham.
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It had to do with him being in the right situation at the right time….and opponents thinking he was more going to be an inline blocker as well as past his prime to get open.
Plus, with Brees & the other weapons @ WR, life can be good for a TE in that system.
We have to hope Gase brings that here as well, like he’s shown to recently & been part of/exposed to in the past.
Tretola didn’t stand out at all in SB practices, but i don’t put a lot of stock in those practices. OL is almost always at a disadvantage.
I heard he was dominating everyone and he was one of the main standouts. LOL
@YoufeckingIdiot: Just goes to show, bomb disposal is best carried out WITHOUT using a hammer…. https://t.co/mf0lhiw1cP
😂
Tim
I think if Cameron stays, Tannehill better develop trust for him, because it didn’t seem as if Tanny trusted him. Just how it seemed to me.
Yeah they didn’t seem to have great chemistry but TE wasn’t a big part of our offense. Just 58 receptions combined.
Spriggs was one of the best OT’s at Senior Bowl, but then again, most the others were fairly poor. Westerman, was really impressive. Tretola. Whitehair looked decent in the game especially. Didnt care for Beohm, Theus, etc.
Tretola i think might have just been off balance because he shed like 20 pounds before senior bowl I heard comments about him being pretty much immovable by any of the DT’s but when the DT’s stunted the OC/OG gap he was over stepping it to cut them off and getting off balance. In the game it didnt matter much because when he fell he too his player out of the play anyways lol. I think he is a really solid OG prospect.
He looks like Turner and Thomas had a baby as far as physical appearance goes.
Maycock was comparing him to Gabe Jackson for what its worth and i think thats a decent comparison.
It was creepy the first time. LOL
Martin looked good I thought, but you have to worry about his knees.
Didn’t know Tretola dropped that much weight that quickly.
Where did you guys hear we’re moving to more big OL over athletic ZBS types?
Wasnt me….i have mentioned Tretola but im not saying bigger types is what we are going for.
Dbolt mentioned it.
When he was hired, I think it was Armando’s article, that made mention of Gase preferring bigger OL. Wasn’t going from one scheme to another. Grier on the other hand talked about getting bigger & stronger players when he was hired in order to compete against the physical fronts in the division.
Gotcha! I do know he mentioned bigger & stronger players when he was hired.
Al,
Can James play inside? Probably. Should he? Hell no. Keep him at RT and he could end up being an all pro eventually.
Tim,
I can only tell you what I saw. Tretola looked like a little better than a JAG to me. He also didn’t look all that big to me. 310-315 maybe….not all that big for an OG.
I didn’t see it at all but peeps here were reporting he was killing it and there are reports out there saying the same thing.
He played at 338 ish at Arkansas but he weighed in at like 317 for Senior Bowl.
dbolt48 says:
February 2, 2016 at 1:08 pm
@YoufeckingIdiot: Just goes to show, bomb disposal is best carried out WITHOUT using a hammer…. https://t.co/mf0lhiw1cP
😂
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WOW, all I saw was 2 huge triple HHH Ta Ta’s.
On an ugly mug.
https://twitter.com/YoufeckingIdiot/status/694467622570758144
Westerman and Whitehair worry me a little due to lack of size. It may be only 10-15 pounds difference between they and Tretola, but thats a decent bit bracing against the push of a 310-330 pound DT. Westerman was at 296 and Whitehair even 300.
Spencer Drango looked pretty solid as well.
D,
I thought Westerman did well for himself, but he definitely needs his technique to be sound because he will be overwhelmed by the size of NFL DTs if it’s not.
I agree. Like i said he got good marks at Senior Bowl week, but he is really light for an inside guy. He will need to put on about 10 lbs and stay very sound technique wise, like you said. Id also be a lot more comfortable taking him if he pushes out a bunch of reps on the BP at combine. Show me some upper body strength.
Al, I never said I’m comfortable with Gase, nor did anyone else.
He’s an unknown 1st time HC coming in with a lot of hype, some warranted, some maybe exaggerated, who really knows until the regular season starts.
Until then, I’ve been trying to get behind him and his staff, find some positives, and hope for the best like everyone else has to at this point.
Go Phins!
Tim Knight says:
February 2, 2016 at 1:24 pm
I didn’t see it at all but peeps here were reporting he was killing it and there are reports out there saying the same thing.
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He was pancaking people at the game. I saw another play that i think represents he can get his body moving and get to second level well. There was an early screen pass to Drake where Tretola got a good punch on the DT to get him manageable by the OC, he then pulled out to the right, sealed out the DE to free Drake into the flat and was running ahead of him and kicked out a DB down field as well. I thought he looked really good personally.
Tim,
I don’t know what to tell ya. I go by what I see…doesn’t mean I’m right. Lol
I don’t think any OL stood out, actually. Some did better than others, but Whitehair probably looked the best to my eyes.
It’s just funny how people see different things. LOL
Exactly….There’s pieces of Tretolas bowl performance that D mentions that I didn’t see. When I say that it’s not me saying it didn’t happen, but rather it’s something that didn’t standout to me, while seeing a DT looking moment stays fresh in my mind. Who knows, maybe that moment doesn’t happen if he has the extra girth on that he usually played at. Either way I just know that this team needs bigger stronger OGs to offset our OT’s and C who are more finesse players & don’t care how we get them as long as we do.
There werent any that just blew me away, even Alexander. I still think Tretola, Whitehair, maybe even Westerman, could potentially replace Turner or Thomas and be an upgrade on their first year.
Tim,
I didn’t watch the game, so I don’t know anything about that. I’m just going off the practices. No OL dominated consistently in practice. Tretola just didn’t stand out to me….not that he looked bad.
No i pretty much agree with that, i dont think any of them looked so dominant that i feel they guaranteed studs out of the gate. I think Tretola has a lot of potential and already looks better Thomas/Turner. Id expect us to get a starter in FA though.
D,
Drango is an intriguing player. He’s gonna have to refine his technique, but his back surgery history scares me a little…or maybe more than a little. Lol
Kind of like Nick Martins knees.
WOW, you guys are going on and on about Tretola, Kirkland, Spriggs, Martin…..
I appreciate the scouting stuff, i do it too, It’s fun.
But then I try to step back and realize it’s soooo early in this process.
FA hasn’t even started nor has the start of the NFL calendar until March.
Even the FO isn’t 100% sure what the needs will be until it begins to settle it’s own FA’s, Cap cuts, guys they’d like to sign in FA, etc etc, all before the draft starts.
Not bashing anyone, just an observation. But at least we’re all becoming a lil more familiar with the draft class of 2106. A typical situation for all Phin fans annually…LMAO 😀
Are we talking about the draft class of cryogenically frozen sperm?
…speaking of not even having a handle on FA yet before we worry about the draft:
ESPN Dolphins reporter James Walker said there is a “40 percent” chance impending free agent Lamar Miller returns to Miami.
That might be generous. The Dolphins may be able to convince Miller the new coaching staff will better utilize him after being woefully underused the last four seasons, but they would still need to come up with the money.
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I really hope they find a way to keep him. Restructuring Suh could save as much as $18M this season, and then we can restructure or cut Wake, Grimes, Misi, etc etc.
How did he come up with 40%? LOL
A little less than 50/50. It was very scientific
He went to the Omar Kelly institute of journalism.
Omar is teaching a journalism class called “Giggle like girls when you don’t know what you’re talking about”.
This class is taught at “The Boners for Tallywhackers Exchange Club.”
This is their official club uniform.
Bolt, LOL, as a die hard Phin fan I feel like cryogenically frozen sperm waiting for a playoff run to hatch. 😛
LOL
This is our playoff run.
No that’s our team at the start of the season & again in december. 😯
I should say about 4 games in & then again in Dec.
Tim,
There’s someone at work now trying to close down their computer before the boss walks by😂
LOL
Tim singlehandedly on a one man crusade to have all IT depts create a firewall for the Phins blog and secretly hoping that in that process that there is a glitch that freezes that photo on every monitor company wide.
LMAO….he’s trying to bring the world to its knees. Can’t believe he would post a picture of himself in his running outfit.
It’s not real nudity though.
Shouts of OMG, is that a dick suit, can be heard from every cubicle across the office.
“Oh my lord….the Dick Demon does exist!”
No one get near that dude when he sneezes!!!
LMAO….walking through a glue factory😂
No… it’s the official uniform of the The Boners for Tallywhackers Exchange Club.
Anyone know what the possible motive was for those two Virginia Tech students who stabbed a little girl to death? SMH
I hear that the guy had some sort of intimate kind of relationship with her, may have been internet only, but he knew her and it was said he “used his relationship with her to lure her to him and then he abducted her” im not sure what his plan was to do after, if he intended to sexually molest her or whatever or if he just wanted to kill someone. People are fucking sicko’s these days man. The girl who was also involved, apparently helped with disposing of the body.
Yeah, I understand a demented fuck doing this. But when there is an accomplice and a female WTF is she up to?
Demon oppression is rampant as society further strays from God & his law, morale compass, & blessings.
So far they are only charging her in the disposing of the body, so i dont know if she was even involved in the murder itself.
In all honesty in cases like this I’m fully on board with no trial & public executions.
^moral compass^
Our society keeps making excuses for depraved individuals.
GD, people have done a lot of sick shit when faith in God were at all time highs so I don’t think that’s it.
My comment wasn’t meant to be what’s going on these days? It was WTF was the motive here?
Tim,
In all honesty these sick individuals have no fear of the law anymore. Most can plead insanity and get away w/ this shit. Look at the Caey Anthony fiasco. The law protects criminals vs the victims anymore.
Yeah I guess if you knew if you committed a heinous crime that you’d be mounted by a goat while while rabid weasels gnaw your junk off, you might say fuck that even as fucked up as you are. LOL
Tim, people proclaim to have ‘faith’ in God or believe in God. Even satan believes in God….lol
Don’t just be hearers of the word, BE DOERS!
So many people are messed up these days from a multitude of things besides not following God….look at the video games, the tv shows, movies, HELL even ISIS uses the internet to glamorize their evil.
Evil is in now. Evil is the new cool….SMH!
…and yes Bolt, these people that made the choices to allow themselves to become demented should be dealt with harshly. I’m not for letting them off the hook by claiming they’re crazy. Of course you’re crazy. Taking a life in a sinister way with no justifiable reason is a crazy act. You should did or be imprisoned for life.
What about non-believers who commit no such crimes yet those who profess to believe do commit them?
Too many people on the planet already. I say cull the herd…and start with people like that.
Agreed!
LMAO @ RAndy…Ok Bill Gates & Co.
Problem is, the culling may include you too….SMH.
gdp
They’d have to catch me first! Lol
No prob….a drone will take you out, or a mandatory vaccine, or aerial spraying, prescribed meds, tainted corrupted crops & water supplies.
Aren’t the elites subjected to this too?
gdp
They’re gonna anally spray my taint? Do I have to pay for that?
Nope FFR will help ya with that, free of charge.
Haven’t seen him around in quite some time. Not even a drive by.
@Monster_Bet: #DeadlineDay and chill… https://t.co/90jqunaJdB
How about we draft Willie Beavers out of Western Michigan in the third? Could be a guy you play at guard and switch to LT in a few years. I gotta take a closer look.
There’s nothing like a Willie and Beavers.
I thought the same awhile back. We need to acquire a guy we can develop for Albert’s eventual replacement and to be a depth guy for the OT spots, as Fox & Thomas certainly are not that guy.
Tim, good point. I never said non-believers aren’t capable of following the laws of man and can’t resist evil temptations. That’s a good thing too.
Mike E and Brian,
“Right-handed reliever Carlos Torres has cleared waivers and has decided to elect free agency rather than remain with the New York Mets.”
I’m okay with that, with a lead he usually puts men on base right away and allows the game to get tied up right out of the gate.
Meanwhile on a lighter note: Aggressive Attacking Offense with Gase
“I would probably say, again, the attraction to this job was that I really enjoyed those years in Indy when we were aggressive,” Christensen said. “We were no-huddle and the players had fun. That’s a big thing, that the players enjoy the system. It’s hard to keep players interested and it keeps getting harder and harder to keep players interested.
“I think the no-huddle and this style of play where you’re mixing it up and you have the ability to — I think Chicago last year led the league in time of possession — but you’re also taking shots and there’s kind of new stuff and you’re keeping them stimulated. I would say this is the way I like to play.”
Gase and Christensen have something in common: They both coached future Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning during his stops in Denver and Indianapolis, respectively. They believe an offense is most effective when a quarterback takes charge and is aggressive. The Dolphins the past couple of years under former offensive coordinator Bill Lazor often took the opposite approach, taking some freedoms and responsibilities off Ryan Tannehill’s plate.
Can Tannehill handle the increased responsibilities entering his fifth season? That remains to be seen. But Gase and Christensen were hired, in part, to get the best out of Tannehill, and early indications are that will include more freedom in the offense.
Gase is the NFL’s youngest head coach and will have a lot of new things come across his desk in his first season. That is where Christensen will help and work closely with Tannehill and the offense.
“He was one of the main reasons I took this job and was interested in this job because I thought it was really kind of a support position to him,” Christensen said. “It’s an offense we ran for a long time in Indianapolis and then he took to Denver and I’m sure they tweaked and improved it a little bit.
So it was interesting to me because of his youth and how sharp he is. He’s young and energetic and it gives me a chance to just kind of come in in a support position and kind of help in any way that I can, as he’s got a lot of new responsibilities.”
The attacking no huddle is good, but it can’t be used all the time or your D will get killed. The cheats use it when their regular O isn’t working, I would use it more like that, situational.
I’d love to see a passing game that opened up the running game, the way Peyton did it in Indy with E. James.
Tim Knight says:
February 2, 2016 at 3:32 pm
Yeah I guess if you knew if you committed a heinous crime that you’d be mounted by a goat while while rabid weasels gnaw your junk off, you might say fuck that even as fucked up as you are. LOL
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I was thinking make punishments fit crimes.
EX: Andrea Yates who drown all 5 of her children 1 by 1 in a bath tub. She should be drowned by being forcibly held under the water until dead, resuscitated drowend the same way again….rinse repeat, until on the 5th and final time she is not brought back.
For rape, they could make a guy fuck a glory hole with a condom attached that is filled with pure capsaicin extract so that once the swelling starts he can choose if he wishes to rip his own dick off trying to get it back through the hole that is now too small or just sti there and suffer the excruciating pain of the capsaicin causing irreparable damage to his junk.
LMAO @ your sick but proper punishments
Hey Peter, watch out for the cornhole bud.
4:20 post. 😀
Hypothetically, lets say a guy like Jaylon Smith or Myles Jack fall to the second round. Knowing they are injured and might be slow to see the field, do you draft them anyways, and then pick up a second guy like Deion Jones in the 3rd to be the contribute immediately guy, keep Misi, and then when the others recover replace Misi or do you draft a guy like Jones keep Misi and look to replace Misi next year. Again im only suggesting taking these guy IF they fall to the second round.
There are lots of ways to go about it like you just said. Jack is projected to participate at the combine, he should be done with rehab. Smith is the wildcard.
Smith got hurt very last game, so its going to be a while for him. He tore two ligaments too.
Yeah Smith’s recovery is 9-12 months so Sept. will be the earliest he can go and he will have missed the entire offseason and no guarantee he’ll be 100% all year.
It seems like a way to get 1st rounder for a 2nd, but it also really complicates filling out the rest our needs in the draft. Its not like we have to fill every need but that might be more than we can afford to do with our picks, even though it might be a great opportunity.
D,
It all depends on their medical reports. No way I risk a second round pick on a guy unless I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have long term health issues….even if he was projected as a 1st rounder. If the medical says the guy should make a full and complete recovery with no issues going forward, then I would look at him in the second if he’s there. But, if that’s the case, he probably won’t drop to the second anyway if he’s a first round talent.
Well yeah i would expect they would do that, but even that prediction isnt 100% guaranteed either. It is likely that without it having had a chance to heal enough to make a certain determination some teams will back off and it is possible he will slide. I think Jack for sure remains a 1st rounder even if he doesnt participate in combine. I think he will be far enough along for team doctors to feel convinced if he will and is recovering properly. Smith i dont know about. Smith may well drop, i wouldnt at all be surprised if he falls to the last 1st at very minimum.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 14 (OAK): Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson (A)
Round 2 Pick 11: Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson (A)
Round 2 Pick 13 (OAK): Darian Thompson, FS, Boise State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 10: Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 9: Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State (B)
Round 4 Pick 16 (OAK): Eric Striker, OLB/ILB, Oklahoma (A-)
Round 5 Pick 8: Harlan Miller, CB, Southeastern Louisiana (B)
Round 6 Pick 11: Brandon Doughty, QB, Western Kentucky (A-)
Round 7 Pick 6: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (A+)
Round 7 Pick 10: Alex McCalister, DE/OLB, Florida (C-)
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One trade back but i missed so many of my comfort pick players i felt like i was flopping all over the place with my picks.
If we look at this draft in a vacuum, and forget about everything we’ve done wrong or right with certain picks, I think it’s important to get a great player with that first pick, even if he can’t play immediately. I know we want an immediate impact, but if we can get a true impact player, one that will play this year, but might start slowly due to injury, it’s worth it. I know that goes against what a lot of us feel, but I just want a great player here, however we can get him.
The Dolphins plan to give second-year UDFA Zach Vigil first-team snaps at middle linebacker this offseason.
The ‘Fins are moving on from Kelvin Sheppard, and liked what they saw from Vigil in 145 snaps this season. However, reporter Barry Jackson expects a “veteran pickup or high draft pick” to eventually get the starting job in the middle. Either way, Vigil’s spot on the 53-man roster looks like it will be secure for 2016.
D,
Yeah, it all depends on the team. Some teams take those risks…some not so much. I’m always looking to find great value in picks…and that’s one way to find it. Bummer for Smith that his happened so late.
MikeE,
I think you always try to get an impact player in the top 10. There’s no reason we can’t find a really good player at #8. The question is how the team goes about addressing their many issues. That will tell us what they think of the team and their weaknesses….along with FA. Hopefully, we’ll get a couple pretty good players with our first two picks. I’ll be disappointed if we don’t.
I agree Randy. I was just saying if say Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith is the guy they think is going to be an NFL great, then I’d be OK with taking the risk.
Jack will probably be okay for the combine. He’s been rehabbing for months. Smith could be unavailable or limited the entire 2016 season and even when he’s healthy there is no guarantee he’ll be as good as advertised.
Add as many good players as you can and let them compete. Adding injured guys and guys who need to more time to develop just prolongs becoming a good team.
I’m not saying every pick Tim, but I could deal a month or so for 1 guy if he’s going to be a great player.
I meant using top picks on guys like that when you hope to get something in return right away.
Tim
That’s the thing, you have to have realistic expectations. I expect we’ll be drafting more than 1 LB, so we’ll have guys that can play, we might just have to be a little patient if we go that route. Honestly, I don’t expect our team to be great right away anyway, although it’s possible.
Mike, I posted this eatlier.
Tim Knight says:
February 2, 2016 at 3:53 pm
Mike E and Brian,
“Right-handed reliever Carlos Torres has cleared waivers and has decided to elect free agency rather than remain with the New York Mets.”
I’m okay with that, with a lead he usually puts men on base right away and allows the game to get tied up right out of the gate.
I wanted to reply, but I was busy. Torres ate a lot of innings last year, some good, some bad. I suspect that sometime during the year, Colon will be that guy, when Zach Wheeler is healthy enough to come back and enter the rotation again.
He only pitched 57 innings. I kinda remember seeing him out there a lot. I think he may have been hurt at some point during the season, now that I think of it.
GD, Hewitt and Vigil will be in the mix at LB for sure. They’re both good STs players too.
Mike, Torres had a handful of solid performances, but many times he gave up late leads after one of our young guns left the game with like a 2-0 or 2-1 lead. He’d walk the first batter and start the rally right from the get go. He’s a guy who doesn’t really challenge hitters.
Mike, did you see this? LOL
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/114157/mets-trade-outfielder-darrell-ceciliani-to-the-blue-jays-for-cash
Obviously not in our future plans. I know we have Brandon Nimmo, although he was just injured, a foot injury. We do have a lot of outfielders with Granderson, Cespedes, Conforto, Lagares and D’Aza
Yeah, I hadn’t heard Nimmo got hurt. I don’t think he was in the plans to start the season with the big club or at all this year though.
MikeE,
Gotcha. It all comes down to risk/reward and how much of a gambler tannebaum is.
I think he’s one gambling mofo, if you see what he’s done in the past.
The big mistake Mr. T made with the Jets was signing Sanchez to an extension. The entire team thought they were close so it was somewhat understandable. Sanchez was their starting QB who as a rookie and 2nd year guy helped get them to two AFC Championships. Then signing Suh in Miami was a blockbuster signing but for a top DT. Other than that I’m not sure how much he he’s been a gambler.
@HerringWSJ: Fan at MSG loudly yells “Tom Brady sucks!” during Celtics-Knicks nat’l anthem. Quite a few fans laughed.
Cespedes
Tim
Nah man, Nimmo is a young prospect. He’s probably a couple of years away anyway.
Do you know anything about the 1B prospect we have?