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but then again it was post game and pretty much all i understood from deion, michael irvin and talib was. bluarkg goaiual gouahl gogogoa aahelgofhr gogauol ha ha ma bruutter
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Rob, see my post above. Dubba lubba lubba HA HA HA HA HA. Those two (Deion & Irvin) absolutely suck. I can’t stand them, especially together. They bring no value or insight to the telecast and pretty much use the time for self promotion. “i was so great”
I wish they would get tossed off the post game show!
Most pre and post game stuff is crap these days. I rarely watch more than a few minutes of it. It has become so hokey.
Someone say Hunter Henry?
What is it about this guy?
He’s a really good TE.
Chris Jones Miss State i think is a 4-3 DE in the NFL. He’s a big boy but he moves really well. He could be one of those flex players that slides inside to DT on certain packages but he’s a stand up DE in others. Not sure how deep in the draft he falls, but he would be a decent later round guy if he falls that far.
Mike E. says:
February 8, 2016 at 10:39 am (Edit)
Piggy
I don’t think he’s any less of a player either. I never thought he was a great QB period. I think he had a great year this year, with a soft schedule, but really, before this year, I never thought he was great. Did you??? I thought he was a big, strong QB, who was fast, and very athletically talented, but I never thought of him as a top 10 QB. Some here made him seem like he was the best QB ever. He’s really not. He’s not a great leader either. That much was exposed. He’s good when things are going well, he disappeared last night when things weren’t.
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He was the best qb this year
And nothing that last night changed that
It’s silly to look at last night and do what you’ve been doing since the game
That’s teally short sighted on your part
Cams going to be a very good player in this league for a long time
If you look at everything he has done this season
And every thing he has done in his career – that should be obvious to you
He played bad last night
And denvers defense was great
We’ve seen good QBs play bad in Super Bowls before
We’ve seen QBs play bad against great defenses
Newton was the NFL mvp this year
Of course he is a top 10 Qb
Was last night the first time you saw him play?
It’s really not indicative of his season
If you listen to the way you and Son talk, you’d think Cam Newton is 10X the QB Tannehill is. That just isn’t so. Cam had a much better team, and much more balanced attack. I’m not short sighted at all, Ive never felt that Newton was a premier QB, and I still don’t. He had a great year this year, let’s see him do it again. C’mon man, this is the first year he had a QB rating over 90. He hasn’t been a great QB, he was a great QB this year, when everything was working well. Last night, things weren’t working well, and he did NOTHING to improve the situation. He played like a spoiled child who was angry things weren’t going his way, especially watching the lackadaisical effort going after his own fumble.
Is the this the first season you’ve watched Cam?
Piggy, Cam won the MVP because he had a real good season as did his team. He was not the best QB in the league and still isn’t. That’s also a subjective debate. I don’t think he’s even close to being the best thrower of the football. A big part of his game is his running ability and his 10 rushing TDs.
A lot of people are loving that he got his ass kicked last night because he’s a big mouth self-centered immature jerk who exposed himself as just that. He acted like he was 12 last night.
I take back what I said about the “let him play” contraversy being manufactured by ESPN
There obviously are people dying to pile it on after a good qb has a bad game
I saw the same kind of fandom (or lack of fandom) with Lebron after his first finals loss with the heat
I’m always surprised and the number of level headed people who are just eager to criticize some athletes
I will never understand fans that watch sports that way
There are athletes I hate like Tom Brady
But I hate Brady bc he is a rival
I don’t hate guys for their percieved personality flaws
We don’t really know these public figures
And that whole thing really has become distasteful to me
But it seems like fans do it more and more these days
You should be as critical of your beloved Cam as you are of our own QB, Ryan Tannehill.
There wasn’t much to criticicize with Newton this season
Was last night the first time you saw him play?
It’s really not indicative of his season
being he is in the bucs division i have seen him play a lot. have you seen his career. other then this year he has been an average qb at best.
his team had a great year and he deserved the MVP but i would say one great year doesnt mean he is going to be great for a long time. we will have to wait and see about that
Tim
You should like Hunter Henry – He’s the type of TE you like. Very solid inline blocker, but he’s athletic enough to stretch the seam, and he has excellent hands. 51 receptions this season, not one dropped pass.
Piggy
Fact is, Cam has NOT been a very good player his entire career, just this year. Try again, you’re amusing me though.
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he’s been to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years in the league. And he was a very good player in college. not sure what you’re getting at.
Didn’t I see his name with Cespedes last week? That’s what I meant, what’s the joke with this guy?
tim,
the broncos had ware and miller last year. Their defense wasn’t nearly as good. Phillips scheme changed that defense for the better. coaching does matter.
Miller had 14 sacks and Ware 10 last year. Wade Phillips has been around a long time and I’ve heard him called very good to overrated. He happened to be in the right place at the right time and those two played out of their minds. It has nothing to do with coaching not mattering, the talent rose to the occasion as well. Phillips is the toast of the town now, but he’s been the goat many times in his career. Just saying.
‘I’m always surprised and the number of level headed people who are just eager to criticize some athletes ‘
so you are surprised by this blog and even your own comments at times
The main difference between cam and tanny is their mentality IMO. Cam has a winning mentality. He’ll do whatever to win. He won in college and now has won in the NFL. Tanny has all the talent in the world but many times in critical moments in the game it seems he’d care less whether he wins or not as long as he’s not the reason we lose.
That a big difference between the 2 and I’m not sure its something can be learned. Just my opinion…
What did he do last night, in the biggest game of his career? Did he will his team to victory, or turn the ball over 3 times?
no. but tanny has not even been close to the playoffs let alone the superbowl. Everyone has a bad game but he was in the superbowl while tanny was sitting on his couch for the 4th year in a row in january.
Statistically the best QB lost to statistically the worst QB in the NFL.
Defense, Running game, & ST’s! Kudos to Kubiack.
At times during the game I thought he’d have to tell Manning to feign an injury so they could get Osweiler in there to secure the win.
But the Defense was never to be denied!
I bet denver will become a very average team with osweiler. Its not that manning is playing that special right now but his reputation helps the team. There is no way denver would be in the superbowl without manning.
They would be a better team if Tannehill was their QB. Manning did very little to help this team win a SB.
Kudos also to the NFL for getting it right on SBMVP going to Von Miller, which is rare to see a defensive player get awarded that trophy.
I was gonna come unglued if Peyton got it.
Boulder
What division and conference does Cam play in, and what division and conference does Ryan Tannehill play in? Puh-lease!
that;s an excuse. They both play in the NFL. one wins and goes to the playoffs the other can’t wait for January so he can go on vacation. That’s the difference.
An excuse? It’s reality! If the New England Patriots were in the NFC South, the Panthers wouldn’t sniff the playoffs either. We happen to be in a very tough defensive division with the Bills, Jets and Patriots, while Camolina has not one defensive team with the Saints, Bucs and Falcons
In fairness to Cam last night who played bad and I do agree with the point about how many pile on Tannehill for some of the same stuff we saw out of Cam last night but make no mistake Cam is elite. He didn’t win the MVP because he played on a great team with a soft schedule. He won the MVP because he carried on otherwise mediocre offense on his back all season. There is not 1 quality skill position player on that team with the exception of Greg Olsen. His WR are crap in the absence of Benjamin. Stewart is an okay RB who had a nice year primarily because everyone in the league had to respect Cam on the read option. Put him on a team as the feature RB with out a dual threat QB and I doubt he is as effective as he was. The Panthers have a great D and that was a big part of their success but so was Cam.
Boulder
Again – Which division do we play in, and didn’t Camolina get into the playoffs with a frigging 7-9 record? Please man, be realistic and realize what that means
7-9? last time I checked they got in at 15-1. BTW good players find ways to get in the playoffs. Whether its getting in by 7 wins or 15 wins. He got in
I’m sure he made some great plays during the 7-9 season to get his team into the playoffs. He didn’t get beat by a 3-11 jets team at home and miss the playoffs like tanny did. He wins. Tanny doesn’t. That why CAM was the superbowl MVP. What does tanny have to show for? nada. zilch. nothing.
Mike,
question. Would you trade Cam for tanny right now? I know I would.
Oh fuck no! I would not do that. I can’t stand the kid.
I bet tannenbaum and Ross would. I highly doubt the panthers would trade their NFL MVP for our couch MVP anyway.
I just love how everyone seems so objective when they tear up our own QB, but can’t admit that Cam played a poor game last night.
ken,
I think tanny is a better QB than osweiler and manning right now. But he doesn’t have the 5 MVPs that manning has. That makes a big difference in the psyche of the team playing in the playoffs. They know they have a leader that has won a lot and won’t fold when the game is on the line.
The Broncos won because they changed their offense so as to not rely on Manning. Not sure how psyched the Broncos were that there only TD in the SB was scored by the D. Manning’s 5 MVPs meant nothing right. He was a shell of his former self and no I don’t think for a minute having him on the field made any bit of psychological impact on the Broncos. Player’s play, They don’t need a feel good story, they need talent on the field.
well come live in denver and you’ll see what I mean.
cam sure willed his team yesterday.
now i can say i have never seen tanny just quit with the game on the line (and i know most will say he just sucks with it on the line) but he never quit.. cam just gave up his will and didnt even go after his second fumble which it looked like he had a good shot at recovering. instead he just quit on his entire team. that was a moment that showed the type of character he has.
he’s in the superbowl. Tanny is sitting on the couch in january 4 seasons in a row. Yea tanny is better LOL.
@ArmandoSalguero: Back to football…Dolphins source tells me team will definitely waive Quinton Coples before open of new league year in March. Saves $7.75M
Not much of a surprise there.
Boulder
Last year, the Panthers were in the playoffs at 7-9. Cam sucked last year, was worse than Tannehill, and the only reason he won a playoff game last year was because the Cards played their 4th string QB due to injury. These are facts, indisputable facts.
yea? what about this year? And BTW he won a playoff game on the road last year. I’ll be grey and old before tanny sniffs the playoffs let alone actually win a game in the playoffs. I won’t hold my breath.
LOL @ Piggy defending the critique of Mac Notwen but clearly ok with himself & others bashing his own team’s player in Tannehill.
The perspective pendulum swings 180. 😉
So Coples will be cut just like the Knicks did to Fisher today😂
They had to do this as would any team. They might try to resign him unless another team drastically overpays him. That I don’t see.
Fisher got fired? About effin time!
Yep. Rambos will coach the rest of the year. After that Phil probably brings in Thibs.
Rambis
LOL Tim – The Cespedes thing was SB says he wishes he had a nickel for every time Cespedes is mentioned on this blog. I said Hunter “Cespedes” Henry, and then GDP responded with Hunter “Cespedes Bust” Henry. It’s a joke.
BoulderPhinfan says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:08 pm
he’s in the superbowl. Tanny is sitting on the couch in january 4 seasons in a row. Yea tanny is better LOL.
hmmmmm. i re-read my post a dozen times. i am still looking for where i said tanny is better. and i guess since i never did that must be your opinion. i am glad you think tanny is better but i am not sure he is. i can at least say i dont think i have ever seen tanny quit on his team like cam did. and pretty sure i referred to his character not his qb ability.
PEople in carolina don’t seem to care about his personality because he wins.
Only true koolaid drinkers would think tanny is a better than CAm newton. I bet most (it not all) of NFL would take Cam over tanny in heartbeat and I bet if CAM was playing for the phins instead of the panthers so would the koolaid drinking hypocrites.
I’ll tell ya, Miami fans are tough on their team man. Amazing. I honestly could not root for Cam, and I’m glad he’s not on our team. I’m sure his teammates were enlightened by his actions last night. I’d bet he’s not the favorite guy of most of his teammates
CJ Anderson 2nd,3rd, 4th effort to get that final TD to put the game out of reach.
Please resign Millertime. Give Tanny balanced weapons & make the Defense VICIOUS Attack Dogs!
ok well i am out. this place gets old with if you dont bash tanny all the time then you are a supporter.
some of us can say they are not happy with tanny’s play but more on happy with the rest of the organization and that doesnt mean they are a tanny supporter.
Why are we even talking about Tanny? Oh right you can’t discuss another QB without someone here bringing him up.
So we’re back to crediting QBs for wins and records I see. Did last night not teach you anything? LOL
Given that we got a QB…….certainly made me more interested in DE or CB in the first.
Steve Young was rubbed the wrong way by Cam too, basically called him a lil baby.
Boulder
I’m just reacting to all the all the Cam love on this blog from Son and Piggy, and now I guess you too. I never really gave a fuck either way about Cam until every week I had to hear about how much better Cam is than Tanny. Last night was wonderful for me. It’s time to shut the door on that garbage, because He ain’t all that, and it was a pleasure to see him go down in flames. That’s the whole of it.
I like my team to win and if they have to get players with antics to do that so be it. I’m not gonna be best friends with these guy, so what do I care what type of personalities they have.
BoulderPhinfan says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:10 pm (Edit)
well come live in denver and you’ll see what I mean.
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Not sure what that has to do with anything but realistically you can’t attribute this SB win to Manning. He really did little to contribute to it. It may be a feel good story that he gets another ring but what got Denver this SB was their defense. They won this SB almost in spite of Manning and the offense and my point is Denver would have been a better team with Tannehill.
Peyton would be the first to agree with this too. You can tell by the way he spoke last night, he was glad to be a part of the ride, rather than being the driver.
Is this what I was missing during the year on here??? Kool aid drinking hypocrites & other names thrown about when people don’t agree? You guys don’t see eye to eye, fine, no reason to go the route of “I’m right & you’re wrong cause you drink the Kool aid.” Or “You’re wrong, you’re just a zombie.” Honestly it reads like a bunch menstrauting 14yo having a twat fight.
Welcome back Bolt….lol
dbolt………
LMAO
It was the Tannehaters vs. the Tanneshills
Crazy!
Amen Mike!
Son & Piggy have been on here like politicians trying to shove Obamacare down out throats…lol
Boulder, Cam didn’t win last night did he? His defense played great and he shit the bed. Team game. 😉
He then went on to act like a 12 year old and confirm a lot of what people think about him. He’s a me first guy and when things don’t go well, he sulks like a little kid who’s been punished. Sorry some of us are not impressed with that. His actions also have nothing to do with Tannehill.
D-Bolt
Yeah, it’s pretty much the norm here. We all get along, but obviously, we definitely don’t agree on everything. 🙂
Offseason ofically under way. Riley Cooper cut, LeSean McCoy being investigated for assault on police officer.
4players were reportedly involved in this assault.
Boulder
I guess you and I are different. I’d rather not have Greg Hardy on our team, or guys like that, just to win. I don’t think Cam wants to win any more than Tannehill does, he just has more physical ability than he does. His mental attitude, you can keep it! Last night, the baby lost his rattle, and put his diaper on his head in the press conference and pouted like a lil’ baby that he is. No thanks, I’d rather not have him on my team. I can’t root for that.
greg hardy is diifferent that cam. Did cam newton beat up on his wife? So he threw a temper tantrum. He’s young. so what. He still was the league MVP this year. I think if tanny was the league MVP I’d let him get a pass if he threw a temper tantrum every once in a while.
I think it was well established last night that you need to protect the QB to win. That even the best of QBs when pressured are going to struggle. See Cam last night, see Brady last week. See Carson Palmer last week. We can bitch all we want about Tannehill but until we fix the OL he is not going to lead us to the post season. Fix the lines and Tannehill will be fine even if he is not Cam Newton and I don’t think he is.
we don’t have any other choice so it’s tanny or bust this year. I agree fix the oline AND the defense and lets see where we are.
Been saying that forever. It was proven all year and into the playoffs when Brady looked like a middle of the road QB. But he’s won Super Bowls so he’s allowed to look like that sometimes. LOL
So if the Fins go DL/OLB in RD 1 and then go CB in RD 2, who’s a RD 2 guy you all like?
Jalen Mills (LSU)? Artie Burns (UMiami)? Kendall Fuller (VT)*** Injury risk?
ken,
Listening to the broncos player interviews almost all said that having manning there helped. Yes he’s not the reason they won but its his presence. Without manning they would have certainly lost to the chargers and would not have gotten the home field and without home field they wouldn’t be in the superbowl. Manning didn’t win the game but everyone admitted basically that they’d rather have manning in the playoffs than osweiler. So did Kubiak and Elway appraently because he started instead of osweiler
Wow, the excuses being made for Cam Newton’s performance and behavior all week is very interesting. It’s as if nothing anyone does matters as long as you win. Really?
Apparently, that’s the case. Amazing . . .
Some callers on the radio are trying to defend Cam’s behavior in the PC.Yeah let’s see how many people want their children to grow up and behave like that at 26 years old. Please!
Winning cures all. Welcome to professional sports.
Yeah, well CAM LOST!!! Wake up!
What did he cure? He lost and looks like a sore loser baby.
Cam’s behavior doesn’t bother me too much. After the Colts lost to the Saints Manning refused to answer questions. It’s an emotional thing to lose and I get it. I also think the hoopla about his celebration are way overblown. If teams don’t like it stop him from scoring. But a Superman pose or a dance and hand a kid a football is rather benign imo. What I do agree with is that if Tannehill played a game like that people would be calling for his head and I see a big degree of irony in that.
Well they did stop him in the biggest game and he acted like a little brat. Karma is a bitch.
I saw a report that the Rams likely to cut one or both James Laurinaitis, and Chris Long. Id be interested in Laurinaitis for sure if he’s cut.
Absolutely. Frees up a draft pick on another position.
Boulder
I didn’t say Cam was Greg Hardy, I just said if that’s what it takes to win, no thank you. YOU said you just want to win, you don’t care what type of person plays as long as we win. I don’t like Cam, so no, I don’t want him on my team. He’s selfish prick, who was selfish last night on the field. No thanks.
well I didn’t mean wife beaters. I meant I dont care about little antics or selfishness if the player wins. Michael Jordan was selfish and a prick. Ask bulls fans if they liked having him on their team.
FFR,
I think the solution is simple for coaches to placate local fans & media members.
In 2016, there will be no QB for the Miami Dolphins just the RB lining up where they usually do and the occassional throw from Ajayi & Miller.
That way when people grill the coach on the QB play, the coach can go “We don’t have a QB, next question”.
Al in MIA says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:30 pm
So if the Fins go DL/OLB in RD 1 and then go CB in RD 2, who’s a RD 2 guy you all like?
Jalen Mills (LSU)? Artie Burns (UMiami)? Kendall Fuller (VT)*** Injury risk?
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I like Will Redmond Miss St and Rashard Robinson LSU. I would say for sure Fuller if he competes in combine, showing he is fully recovered.
Jalen Mills id take as a FS im not drafting him as a CB, even though i know he has the skills to cover.
Harlan Miller is a player who’ll go between rds 2-3 that I like.
I was watching some film on Redmond just a little bit ago against Ole Miss…THere was one play where Ole Miss ran right side and pulled that big FAT OL that looks like he’s 365 lbs; Redmond went right at him and the OL threw tried to wrap him up and throw him…it was surprising not to see Redmond blasted…he held his own actually.
BoulderPhinfan says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:30 pm
ken,
Listening to the broncos player interviews almost all said that having manning there helped. Yes he’s not the reason they won but its his presence. Without manning they would have certainly lost to the chargers and would not have gotten the home field and without home field they wouldn’t be in the superbowl. Manning didn’t win the game but everyone admitted basically that they’d rather have manning in the playoffs than osweiler. So did Kubiak and Elway appraently because he started instead of osweiler
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I think he was someone the team could rally around. I think he, despite poor play is someone the team fought harder to get the Superbowl for. Sending a legend out with a bang is a good motivator for a team.
thank you. That was my whole point.
I don’t believe professional athletes give a shit about that. I am not saying Manning didn’t but I doubt Vonn Miller rushed the passer any differently because Manning was their QB.
Mike,
LOL. I awake. CAm lost in the superbowl. Its ok with me if Tanny wants to be a selfish prick with antics and gets us to the superbowl. I’d still want him on my team if he did that.
OK, so a direct question for ya – What did you think of the play where Cam fumbled, and then didn’t show any effort to recover it? What was your thinking? I’ll tell you mine, but of course, I can’t prove it. I saw a spoiled kid who is used to having things go his way, and hen he fumbled again, he quit. I don’t that on my team at any cost. Tannehill may not be as gifted as Cam, but that boy takes the hits and keeps on going. That’s my feeling
I thought he was pussy. he should have dove on the ball
OK, so you pretty much saw it the way I did. How do you think his teammates felt when they saw that replay? Probably not feeling a lot of Cam-Love right then. lol
Boulder:
Wanting Manning out there over Oseweiler is not a big deal but my point was and I truly believe that Denver would have been a better team with Tannehill as opposed to Manning.
maybe but not the way things worked out this year. I don’t think the broncos would have won the superbowl with tanny instead of manning this year. As I said the whole last off season was about manning and getting another ring in the denver media.
And what the media says means nothing. What mattered is that Denver fielded the best defense in the league and probably the best D since the Buccaners won the SB.
ok back to baby monitoring. Sorry for being a sour puss 🙂
Later Boulder! 🙂
Are you watching Cam? LOL
Tim Knight says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:15 pm
So we’re back to crediting QBs for wins and records I see. Did last night not teach you anything? LOL
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DING DING DING lmfao….
Dolphins aren’t getting into the playoffs without the defense going top 12 again.
It’s amazing. Brady isn’t in the SB this year because down the stretch he played like Alice taking it in the ass by Sam.
Fix that front 7 & OL and that allows you to fight for playoff position…..Oh, and actual creative game planning helps also.
“At least I was good at recruiting”
LOL, went winless as a HS football coach this year😂
LOL
😂
It is hilarious hearing about Cam Newton being a baby as if it had anything to do with the outcome of the game. The same things that drive him to be a baby after a loss are the same emotions that drive him to win in critical moments. It just wasn’t there for him yesterday as it wasn’t there for Brady or Big Ben the last 3-4 weeks against the same Broncos D.
The problem is he’s loud about it. Other guys just go about their business. He yells look at me when all is good but then doesn’t want to be around anyone when he loses. I don’t know many people who like characters like that.
That’s what I keep saying
But people are awfully eager to criticize him
I’m not eager, he makes it easy.
dbolt48 says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:41 pm
Harlan Miller is a player who’ll go between rds 2-3 that I like.
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I like him but im betting he drops a little. He’s a very small school prospect and i know it shouldn’t affect their round selection, but it almost always does. Id for sure think about him in 3rd if we have gone that far without a CB, id also think about him as a FS prospect.
I was under the same impression, but recently heard Matt Miller and Eric Galko say scouts have him in the area I mentioned. Who really knows though?
dbolt48 says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:52 pm
Fix that front 7 & OL and that allows you to fight for playoff position…..Oh, and actual creative game planning helps also.
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Will help get to the playoffs but will not be a RD 2 or even have a realistic chance to be a SB team.
Tom Brady didn’t get back to the big game until Belichick fixed the D that the Ravens trashed 2-3 years in a row.
I’ll take some playoff appearances over a few years even if we don’t get to the Super Bowl anytime soon. Getting to the playoffs for us has been as much a lost cause as trying to find unicorns.
Mores required to go further but you need a strong foundation to build from. Right now we excellent parts on this team. I’ll compare it to a house. We have highly efficient heating & electrical system(QB), top shelf double pane insulated Windows(WRs), and a solid plumbing system(HB). We need to add 2 pair of shutters(CBs)to the house. Unfortunately we have a foundation consisting of cat litter & cat shit opposed to concrete reinforced with rebar. This structure will ultimately collapse.
Dbolt,
LOL @ Sherman’s HS record….
‘Son, what do you mean you can’t understand “Gun double right close halfback right 200 scat triple slant thunder on one.” ‘
LOL @ Tim – I caught that
😉
Am I surfing the Web or swimming in the ocean? It sure got salty up I here. Lol
LOL!
Tim,
Fans are not out there playing the game. I’ve played many street ball games with a bunch of trash talking mofos in both football and basketball. Doesn’t change the player. It’s a mechanism for them to cope with the stress. It’s annoying to those who let it get to them.
At the pro level I think he acts like a jerkoff. For the most part I don’t really care what he does. But I love seeing karma kick his ass. 🙂
I think what I came away from last night’s game with was that we need to seriously upgrade our edge pressure. It’s become even more important in today’s NFL. Getting 8 sacks from your weak side DE…and next to nothing from the other side…just isn’t gonna cut it. We need to find pass rushers. Because we saw what really good edge rushers can do to even pretty good OLs nowadays.
Very true
Agreed. You win by being strong on both sides of the line. You need to rush the passer and likewise you need to protect the passer.
I think it shows us we need a better secondary as well. When they got those sacks they went back and showed other views of the play and you could see all receivers really tightly blanketed on those plays. Denver’s secondary was wearing the receivers like a size too small pair of skinny jeans. I agree we need better edge rushers, and i would be fine if it was DE/CB or CB/DE but we need a stud at BOTH positions this coming draft.
dbolt48 says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:55 pm
I was under the same impression, but recently heard Matt Miller and Eric Galko say scouts have him in the area I mentioned. Who really knows though?
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DBolt, what i have seen in past patterns with the draft is you get a lot of pundits building a guy from a small school up but when draft rolls around he susually settles back down into pretty much the range he was before if not sinking a little lower.
That Princeton DT Caraun Reid is a prime example. Started out as a 5th round projection, people got all on his jock around Senior Bowl, he got blown up to like 2nd round hype, and when all was said and done, he got drafted int he 5th round.
I think when the NFL guys eventually get to draft, they are just too worried that the tape doesnt fully represent them, that there are good things they see, but ultimately they are nervous about them not facing quality opponents week in and week out and also worry about the level of coaching they got from smaller school coaches. Its a valid concern imo, and it tends to deflate the hype when it comes crunch time.
Could be.
Nothing could be finer after beating Camolina the next moooooooorning . . . lol
Boulder,
Agree with you. Manning may not have been able to rise above the Panthers Defensive effort but the players on Denver knew that no matter how old Peyton is, his read ability is still top notch and that at the very minimum, he would not be fooled into an INT the way Brock perhaps would have (or Tannehill in other people’s examples).
Manning threw 1 INT in his last 3 games, that’s about it. Denver just needed a great D performance and a game manager at QB who wouldn’t turn it over. Even late in the game, Kubiak didn’t put his faith on the offense often making run time wasting decisions and punts to force Panthers O to beat his D which was playing at a high level.
Kubiak was not about to risk more on offense and create an opportunity for the Panthers O in good field position.
Al:
Tannehill is one who is not easily fooled into ints. I stand by my believe that Denver would have been a better team with Tannehill at QB. Manning threw 17 iints in 10 games this year. He did better in the playoffs but he really didn’t make any big plays in the playoffs.
One thing is very clear today, Cam has a very clean sphincter today. LOL
Good work by a rodent.
Randy says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:59 pm
I think what I came away from last night’s game with was that we need to seriously upgrade our edge pressure. It’s become even more important in today’s NFL. Getting 8 sacks from your weak side DE…and next to nothing from the other side…just isn’t gonna cut it. We need to find pass rushers. Because we saw what really good edge rushers can do to even pretty good OLs nowadays.
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D says:
February 8, 2016 at 3:05 pm
I think it shows us we need a better secondary as well. When they got those sacks they went back and showed other views of the play and you could see all receivers really tightly blanketed on those plays. Denver’s secondary was wearing the receivers like a size too small pair of skinny jeans. I agree we need better edge rushers, and i would be fine if it was DE/CB or CB/DE but we need a stud at BOTH positions this coming draft.
Also i think DE class is a little deeper with elite level talent than CB, thats why i purpose getting the CB first.
I mentioned Rashard Robinson on here awhile back. I like him as a very good CB that will fall some due to an off field problem that was understandable.
If he has no further issues or flags, then he’s someone to really consider.
i like his height 6’2, and his awareness. He had a solid effort in his 1st start as a freshman against WR Mike Evans.
Al in MIA says:
February 8, 2016 at 2:57 pm
Dbolt,
LOL @ Sherman’s HS record….
‘Son, what do you mean you can’t understand “Gun double right close halfback right 200 scat triple slant thunder on one.” ‘
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“Coach you can’t place you Sheetz meal order here!”
I think the reason you start Manning is because he has the experience to stay calm and make the right calls in the biggest game of the year. We saw Cam wilt under the pressure. I think he tried to do too much. Even though Manning really didn’t do anything special, it’s nearsighted to think he did exactly what they wanted him to do in calling a good game and managing their offense so that their defense could win the game. I’m betting Manning did exactly what they’d planned in implementing their offense yesterday.
Yeah hand the ball off, punt and make them go the distance of the field against their defense.
I’ve been waiting for the shoe to drop with Cam all season. I knew his magic would run out, and it did in a big way last night. All the things that people here criticized Tanny for when our O-line was like sieve happened to Cam last night, but then these same people make the excuse that it was the #1 defense etc. etc. etc. It doesn’t matter, when you have no protection, you’re vulnerable, and Cam was MIGHTY vulnerable last night. He turned it over 3 times, and he had a 55 QBR. He didn’t rise above it any more than Tannehill didn’t rise above it whether it was the Bills, Jets or Patriots, or any other team with a decent defense. Carolina had no running game, and couldn’t pass protect, and it’s the same problems the Dolphins had all season long. Soooooooo, just keep things in perspective. That’s all I ask. Under the same duress, neither QB performed well. End of story!
You just had to wait until the super bowl
Whereas Tanny, in week 1 the argument was there
But they are the same qb I guess…
Pressure will undo ANY & EVERY QB.
Which game doesn’t matter
But the number of games matters in judging a qb
Newton had an mvp season
Tannehill was average statistically all season
There is a distinction between the QBs that is pretty obvious
The argument that the difference is he OL is far fetched
Are you really arguing that last night showed Tannehill is as good as Newton ?
There was no revelation last night to football, if you pressure the qb enough – they usually won’t perform well
But that has meant to a lot of Dolfans that Tannehill cannot be criticized or evaluated – which I have consistently said is wrong
This argument never ends
I know there are some people here, you and GDP, who will never admit any of tannehill a flaws and look for any excuse to deflect
So watching Newton fail last night opened the door to the same tiresome argument that we have heard a thousand times
“See it’s the OLs fault”
Tannehill should change his name to “it’s the OLs fault”
Pressure On qbs and the results is nothing new in football
And that’s why we should be praising the Denver defense
Instead you want to make an analogous argument that it means that Tannehill is better than he is
There is nothing I don’t see or won’t see – I just think that is bogus argument. There is plenty to evaluate Tannehill on
You don’t know who Tannehill is with better protection
I don’t know that he won’t be an NFL MVP with a better OL
I just highly doubt it
I don’t think the only problem with our offense was the OL
I think the qb is part of the reason we failed to score so much
It’s just that simple – I did not think our qb play was very good in 2015 and last night doesn’t change that opinion
D,
Wade Phillips runs a lot of man-to-man…and Carolina’s receivers are pretty average. Yeah, Denver has some good DBs, but they really weren’t challenged much on the back end. In part, it’s due to the pressure up front. Plus, you can run man-to-man and keep tight coverage when your front 4 are getting to the QB in 2 seconds. That sort of coverage doesn’t work so good if you don’t get quick pressure in the QB.
Honestly it’s the same strategy Miami used to use on Brady to really disrupt him. Tight press man and allow Taylor & Ogungley go after him.
Except Phillips D’s are more blitz aggressive than Miami’s back then.
For them it was a front 5 at times except when Miller or Ware would drop in coverage. As good as Ware is and he’s very good, Miller is so friggin quick it’s almost unfair. LOL
As for the cocky stuff, for me it’s not just about Cam. I hated it with Johnny Manziel and the money fingers nonsense as well. I don’t like when players try to be larger than the game. I wasn’t a Deion Sanders fan either though I knew he was a great player.
Cutting Coples will help free up money for OV, and restructuring Suh will help free up money for Millertime & Shelby.
Maybe the FO can also get Wake to take a cut as well as Grimes. Then we can look at a FA LB & OG’s.
We never paid Coples any big money to save from. That $7+M he was owed in 2016 starts in March. He only made $534,840 last year. His contract was all back loaded. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/quinton-coples/
Sorry guys
I love the Dolphins
But I don’t see Tannehill as the Dolphins
He is just our qb now
I don’t think anyone who wasn’t a Dolfan would see it as remotely reasonable to compare Tannehill to Newton think they are equals
I apologize for being grounded in reality
I don’t think the only thing holding Tannehill back is the OL
Piggy
Tannehill faced that shit almost every week though. Why does it matter which game it is? A game is a game. It plainly showed how Cam is no better equipped to handle no balance in his offense, no protection, and he has no better pocket awareness than Tannehill. Is is that difficult a concept to comprehend? All year long, Cam had that great running game with the 2 RB’s, and himself as well. When that was taken away, and he was under pressure, he sucked. You either can’t see it, or won’t see it, but that’s the deal.
I know a lot of Steelers, Bills, & Jets fans around my area love him & don’t get the criticism, but to each their own👍
Gase apparently doesn’t get it either.
“Indeed, Gase has told multiple people within the Dolphins organization that he doesn’t quite understand why some people are up in arms about Tannehill because what he sees on tape is the makings of a good NFL quarterback.”
MikeE,
Wilson was sacked something like 45 times last year and outperformed Tannehill. Tannehill’s issues are not just about poor protection. He is part of the problem. If he wasn’t, why does the organization keep bringing in coach after coach to supposedly “coach him up”? They must think he needs to get better. Tannehill’s faults are still gonna be there even with better protection. He has flaws that he must improve upon if this team is ever going to do anything significant in the playoffs. Not to mention the reality that Tannehill was probably responsible for 10 or so of those sacks he took this year. Yes, fix his protection. It definitely needs to improve, but he needs to get a lot better at managing the pocket himself. And, despite what you and others say, there were plenty of times this past year where he had a good pocket and still couldn’t make the play. That’s on him. It wasn’t just a protection issue.
OK, so let’s see one year where he has a solid O-line, and a balanced offense. If he’s not better with that, I’ll admit to pulling the plug on him. Randy, the LOWEST rushing total CAR had this year was 105 yards. Don’t you think that makes it a little easier for the QB to operate?
Everyone needs to improve & it’s that simple. The only thing I don’t want to hear is if someone complains in one breath about the QB and in the next breath blames the OL & Coaching failures for Millers down year. Last year I thought coaching, Play calling, and onfield player execution led to a bad year.
Piggy:
I don’t think Tannehill is as good as Newton but unlike you I think he is more than good enough to win in this league. He has had a subpar OL and poor coaching all his career. Despite that he has played very well at times. There are issues he needs to improve on. but overall it’s the line play that holds this team back. I think the line between elite and average is a lot thinner than it used to be and if a guy like Flacco can win a SB I don’t see why a guy like Tannehill can’t. To me not much separates the 2.
I don’t comment on whether Tannehill is good enough to win
I just say he hasn’t been
It’s very hard to predict what he will be
Randy – BTW – The Seattle Seahawks had only 1 game where they didn’t crack 100 yards rushing. Again, be fair in your comparisons. Dolphins had 10 games under 100 yards.
I’d venture to say Sea is a better coaching staff & has a much better defense.
Randy is correct the RT needs to improve, but that holds true across the board.
No doubt, but it’s easier to improve when you have balance in your offense, and you have a great defense, which Cam and Russell Wilson both had
Keeps defenses honest.
OK, I got things to do. I’ll leave you with the baby pic so all you Cam fans can continue your love-fest
MikeE,
When it’s 3rd and 12, and you need to get the first down….no, I don’t think how many yards you have run for means a damn thing. No defense is playing the run in 3rd and long. Hell, defenses don’t even play the run in 3rd and 3 anymore! It’s about making plays on those money downs and late in games.
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I just think you can evaluate Tannehill’s performance independent of the pressure he gets. It’s there to see. And again…he’s his biggest worst enemy with how poorly he manages the pocket. We can talk about building our OL all we like, but the reality is that dealing with pressure is just part of being an NFL QB…that’s not going away. Even one of the supposedly best OLs in the game got humbled yesterday. Protection is a team thing.
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And I think I’m done talking about Tannehill before I start upsetting people. Lol
Randy
Come on everyone knows you can’t mention Tannehill unless everything around him is perfect
Ah yes the perfect word being used again. I haven’t heard this one used before. LOL
LOL…..Like I told Piggy, we are all entitled to our own opinions👍
Cam Newton plays poorly in the Super Bowl, acts like a baby afterwards and a Tannehill debate erupts on a Dolphins blog. I’m sure lots of new stuff will be said and opinions changed. LOL
LMAO
I’m very happy to acknowledge that last night had nothing to do with Tannehill
How could it?
If Ryan Tannehill becomes a better qb every time the panthers lose I wil be rooting against the panthers all next season
But the reality is, last night had no effect on Tannehill
People were just making the same case many others have made about QBs when they don’t have protection.
That’s what I was reading, but I’ve been out of the loop so long that I don’t know the theatrics of the debate😂
It’s the same tired argument
Last night didn’t reveal anything that we all don’t know about football already
People are just being condescending
Like Tandy said, there are some here who beleive you evaluate Tannehill in spite of the other flaws in the team
I think it is the irony that a lot of the same criticisms that people level at Tannehill such as pocket presence, holding the ball too long and accuracy were displayed by Cam Newton last night.
That’s what is tired about it, there is a double standard.
He didn’t hold the ball too long
The pressure was on him really quickly
The Broncos were doing that all season
There are plenty of times when the pressure is on Tannehill quickly
There are also plenty of times that he holds the ball too long
It wasn’t the same thing at all
The Broncos are just a very good defense
Whereas Tannehill looked mediocre against much lesser defenses
Mike, you replied to me up above and said nothing. LOL
Tim,
Well, for me, I never gave a damn what Cam did anyway. He always seemed like a petulant child and a front runner to me. I just choose to talk about the team I actually give a damn about! Lol
LMAO
The Flying Pig says:
February 8, 2016 at 3:51 pm (Edit)
I don’t comment on whether Tannehill is good enough to win
I just say he hasn’t been
It’s very hard to predict what he will be
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Where I disagree with you on this statement is that I think Tannehill is good enough to win in this league, the team wasn’t. We have for the last several years had a flawed team. Now I am not saying Tannehill bears no blame in the process, he does but he also has been seriously held back by the OL and some very poor coaching, especially coaching as it relates to play calling.
Tannehill does some things well and doesn’t do some things well
I’m not sure we disagree with each other
I don’t think he’s been very good. And that’s the extent of it.
It’s hard to argue anyone on this team is good enough to win when we haven’t been winning
But you can look at the individual performances and judge if they are good players or not
Piggy, saw ya called me out. Untrue saying I never see any flaws with Tanny.
Just because I’m a big supporter as both a student of the game & as a fan of the Dolphins, doesn’t mean I think he’s perfect or without needing to improve & get himself into better situations.
That’s also what coaching, systems, & play calling is all about. The Dolphins have seriously lacked there during Tannehill’s 4years trying to develop.
Yet he’s persevered throughout, and a new coach who’s called brilliant by many jumped at the chance to work with him. That says more than I or you’ll ever be able to say or convince one another of!
That’s fine
i dont disagree
Thank you. We have arrived at a truce. Your the man, err pig. 😀
Piggy, it’s a tired argument for those who can’t accept pass pro is really important. We saw it happen to Rodgers, Brady and now Newton this year. When Brady had a tea party in the pocket to work with people tongued his nuts as the great boy wonder. When his pass pro struggled now it’s poor Tom. LOL
You are looking at it one sided
If some one says exactly what you want to hear
It’s not a tired argument
If you think it’s a tired argument
Don’t engage it
I think a randy hit it on the head
When he said you can evaluate Tannehill despite the pass protection
And I agree
Fine, some people don’t agree
I think we (Tanneshills) take into consideration more than just his pass protection or lack of.
As mentioned ad nauseam, idiotic offensive system installed & ran by Bill Lazor. The alleged handcuffs by Bazooka Joe, the failing defenses, etc etc.
I’m not really engaged in it. I’m kind of making fun of it. I’ve said all I have to say about it. Nothing you or Randy say today will be something you haven’t said before. Nothing has changed since the end of the season and last night’s super bowl game.
By the way, how awesome was it that Brady was booed by the SB crowd. LOL
Hey, for anyone looking for something to watch on Netflix, I started watching this British series called “Fearless”. I guess they made an Ameican version of it now. Anyway, if you don’t mind trying to figure out what the hell they’re trying to say….it’s a good series.
You can’t understand them but say it’s a good series? Maybe they’re saying Tannehill rules and you’re a silly cunt. LOL
Tim,
And yet….somehow Brady and NE found a way to win a lot of games despite playing 37 different guys on their OL last year. It’s still Ok to win while overcoming your shortcomings. Our team will never be perfect, but I expect them to win anyway.
I think there’s always something to be said for good coaching👍
They didn’t use 37 different players on their OL, they used 37 or whatever different combos. They lost 5 of the last 8 games they played. He could not overcome it.
Yep, good thing NE had good coaching & used the same good system for years.
Hope Gase brings some stability & continuity to Miami for when injuries & the such happen.
I personally get the criticism of Tannehill. The fact is this team has not won and he and just about every player on the team should be subject to scrutiny until we start winning. But when I look at what needs to be fixed on this team QB is further down the list than OL, LB, DL and Secondary.
i would definately focus on defense and OL before qb
But that is a different argument all together
Groundhog day isn’t just for Feb 2nd.
😂
I see Tanny’s responsibility to be on approximately even levels with the OL. They fed off each other but both i think pale in comparison and were equally affected by the really shitty an predictable play-calling and play design.
Tim,
I understand most of it but those Brits talk like they have a mouth full of balls. And they do use the C word….or twat. Lol
lol
LOL, what’s it about?
For what it’s worth in the RT debate, I’m looking at other successful teams and it isn’t the QB i wish the Fins had, it’s the god damn DEFENSE :/.
Our edge pressure, LB, & FS play is sorely lacking in comparison to other elite teams out there.
Agreed. We have multiple problems and a b*tch ain’t one. Sorry Jay Z. Speaking of that I thought Beyonce added a few pounds recently. She could have made a better wardrobe choice.
Tanny isnt a piece we replace this year or upgrade or whatever you want to call it, next year is a distinct possibility however if given better opportunity he still doesnt produce.
Tim,
I just threw out that 37 number. It was a lot…that’s all I know.
He picked 37 because of the 37″ penis Serena Williams has!
It was different combinations. They may have used 12 different players and if they each played 3 different positions week to week that’s 36. I heard it was actually 40 something different combos but it caught up with them and they lost 5 of their last 8 games.
Sb7,
lol, you are on a roll today …
Ken says:
February 8, 2016 at 4:15 pm
I personally get the criticism of Tannehill. The fact is this team has not won and he and just about every player on the team should be subject to scrutiny until we start winning. But when I look at what needs to be fixed on this team QB is further down the list than OL, LB, DL and Secondary.
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Agreed. For 13 long years post #13 we all bitched about, ‘if only we had a good decent QB’.
Now 17 QB;s later, we have #17 who’s got skills & has shown them, steadily improved up until this major last straw coaching fail.
Yet we go back to saying we need a better QB.
How about getting behind the QB we & the FO finally see as a guy you can build around, and do just that. Build the right way around the kid, #17.
That means not only personnel on the field, but the proper systems that utilizes everyone in the best way possible and fits together as a team.
We go back and forth bc opinions vary in it
But like I said above
I agree that we need to work on D and OL first
And my preference is to work on the defense
The argument wasn’t really about how bad those were
I just don’t buy that Tannehill’s only problem is the OL
Tim,
Watch it ya damn lump! I know you got nothing better to do because you’re on here all damn day long acting as Tannehill’s athletic supporter! Lol
Nope, I’m a defender against silly nonsense. GD wears the athletic supporter. LOL
Tim at his award ceremony….
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