We’ve talked about it for a long time, in fact, some of us started talking about it before we drafted last year, in the 2015 NFL draft. It never stops. The NFL Draft, the place where dreams are either realized, or crushed. There is always hope, always, because where else can you bring in new, young talent, and the potential to bring in 8 or more new faces to your team in one weekend. This only happens with the NFL, and then after the draft, even more excitement is generated by the signing of players who went undrafted. Sometimes, a player who was expected to be a mid round pick falls completely off the draft board, or in last year’s case, a possible top 10 pick, like La’el Collins, who due to bizarre circumstances with a murder case he had no part in yet was being questioned by police, had all 32 teams wipe him right off their draft boards.
Tomorrow will begin the madness that is the 2016 NFL Draft. The Miami Dolphins currently hold 8 picks, starting from the #13 pick, #42, #73, #107, #147, #186, #227, and finally #231. There is no guarantee that the Dolphins will use all those picks to get 8 players, they may trade up early in the 1st RD and use 2 or 3 picks to accomplish that. They may trade back later in the into the 1st RD, and gain a couple of picks. There are so many angles from which to look at either strategy, and a case can be made for both, without either of them being necessarily wrong or right. For instance, supposedly, this draft plateaus from approximately pick #15 to pick #50, meaning the talent at #50 is nearly equal to the talent at #15. We pick at #13, right around that imaginary line, so would trading back to pick up a couple of extra players in that range be smart? Sure. If all the supposed blue chippers are in the top 10, does it not make sense to trade up and get a superior talent and a player with a greater chance of making a big impact on our team right now? Sure.
Whatever we do tomorrow, partly because of past failures, such as the Dion Jordan trade up to #3 in 2013, or just because of personal preferences, some of us will be angry at some of the selections we make, and yet others will be ecstatic. That’s how it is. I have to give all you guys/girls lots of credit for your dedication to the sport, and especially the entire draft process. I know many of you tirelessly watch college football to find potential for the Miami Dolphins, and others, like myself, who don’t watch college ball, scour as many scouting reports, watch highlight reels, record and watch the entire week of Senior Bowl practices and the game itself, the same with the NFL combine. The funny thing is, even the best of the best here, who really put in max effort, most likely don’t put in a fraction of the time our scouting staff put in, and our coaches and our GM put in. Granted, that’s their job, we do it for (fun?). Still, we should all probably just chill out with the negative feelings (I know I will have them), because these guys really did put in the effort to make the team better, and hopefully, it actually works.
I’m going to give you my picks for each round, without trade ups or trade downs, because those are just too hard to predict, it requires a lot of cooperation and desire from another team or two, and therefore, I’ll just do it straight up. This draft is not who I want for our team, it’s how I expect it to happen.
RD 1 – Pick #13 RB Ohio State – Ezekiel Elliott
First of all, let’s put that myth that if he’s elite, he’ll be gone by pick #10 nonsense, and if he’s not, he’ll be there. Great NFL players are chosen all over the place, and these selections are made by a few parameters, GRADE, NEED (at a certain position) and VALUE. Every team will have different metrics on those, and many teams obviously have different needs for both position, and the type of players they want to fill those positions. For example, while Vernon Hargreaves may be rated very high on most boards, a team that prefers bigger CB’s may not have him on their board early at all. So back to Elliott. He would most definitely be our best RB if he were to join our team.
Much has been made of Adam Gase’s use of a “running back by committee”. I think it’s only fair to look at each situation, and why that may have been. In Denver 2013, first off, Gase had Peyton Manning., who threw the ball 659 times for nearly 5500 yards. The Broncos drafted Montee Ball, and added him to a stable with Knowshown Moreno, Ronnie Hillman, and and CJ Anderson. Moreno carried the ball 241 times, more than double the carries Montee Ball got at 120 carries. Is that really a RB by committee? In 2014, again, Manning put up astronomical numbers, 597 pass attempts, over 4700 yards. With Knowshown Moreno out of the picture, and Montee ball fat and out of shape, and fumbling often, Gase had little choice to try and find the hot hand. CJ Anderson rushed 179 times, for 849 yards, and Ronnie Hillman 106 times, for 434. Keep in mind, Ronnie Hillman was the better 3rd down back, and most of his action was on 3rd down, but again, the RB by committee aspect doesn’t necessarily show up, because the talent just simply wasn’t there to earn the bulk of the carries.
In Chicago, 2015, Adam Gase had 30 YO Matt Forte, rookie Jeremy Langford, and 2nd YR RB Ka’Deem Carey. Just for some background, Forte has never really been a bellcow RB, the most carries he had in his career was his rookie season when had a high of 316 carries. He never broke 300 again, and has been slowly diminishing in carries the last few years, from 289 in ’13, to 266 in ’14, and last year 218. Langford carried 148 times, and Carey 43. Clearly, Forte was his best guy, but at 30 YO, he didn’t overwork him, and for the most part, Chicago’s offense was a disappointment, despite Jay Cutler playing at his most efficient, with 21 TD’s and only 11 INT’s. They sorely missed Brandon Marshall last season, and when Alshon Jeffery got hurt, that was it for this offense.
My point is, I don’t believe that Gase has a strategy to use his running backs nearly equally. I think he had to in Denver, out of necessity, and in Chicago, he didn’t want to burn out his 30 year old star in Matt Forte. Gase did say he wants a stable of RB’s, and I think that’s the responsible thing to do, considering what can happen if there’s a severe drop off in talent from your starter to your reserves. make no mistake, if we draft Ezekiel Elliott, he will clearly be our best RB, and we will use him as such. He will make a huge impact in our offense.
RD 2 – Pick #42 CB Houston – William Jackson III
We have a definite need at CB, no question about it, and we get the best we can in the 2nd RD. Jackson gives another 6 foot CB who can play both press and zone coverage. A good fit for what we’re looking for, Jackson will certainly be given every opportunity to start opposite Byron Maxwell.
RD 3 – Pick #73 OG Stanford – Joshua Garnett
As much as we need a CB, we need to shore up the interior OL. We get the powerful OG Garnett from Stanford. Garnett also will be given every opportunity to start somewhere on the OL, most likely LG, to compete with vet Jermon Bushrod. That will leave a battle royale at RG, with Billy Turner, Jamil Douglas, and Kraig Urbik .
RD 4 – Pick #107 OLB Akron – Jatavis Brown
Excellent athletic player, with wheels (4.47 40). Driven, team oriented player, lunch pail type of guy. A little undersized at 5’11” 227, but a great guy to bring into the mix at OLB.
RD 5 – Pick #147 S Miami – Deon Bush
Bush is a physical player who likes to hit, and when he does, forces fumbles. Bush forced 5 fumbles in 2014. He can also go up and get the ball with his 39 1/2″vertical. Bush has only 4 INT’s in 4 years, along with 13 passes defensed. Could be a good player down the line.
RD 6 – Pick #186 CB Virginia – Maurice Canady
Canady brings another CB with size to the team. Not a physical player, but a player with talent that perhaps VJ can bring out.
RD 7 – Pick #227 DE Baylor – Shawn Oakman
Oakman is probably worth a flier in the 7th RD. he could easily end up off the team before the season, but maybe, the light goes on, and he becomes a player. I’d take tht chance this late in the game.
RD 7 – Pick #231 WR Illinois – Geronimo Allison
OK, so I really just want to scream Genonimo!!!!!! Do I take a chance and try to sign him after the draft? No way!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
LMAO!
I think Sean Davis is projected to be a safety though right?
I get the big CB thing
but will he be drafted as a CB?
I think DE will be next pick, since there has already been a run on CB’s and that kind stopped, im thinking more likely will be a run on LB’s and De’s next and we might want to grab a stud at one of those positions in the second and hit up CB in the third. I think a guy like Sean Davis or Harlan Miller might be targets, though i still think Davis is a safety.
You might be right. I f we did take Davis, I think he’d get a long look at CB though.
5. Myles Jack, OLB, UCLA (6-1, 243, no 40 time)
13. A’Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama (6-3 5/8, 307, 5.2 40)
16. Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson (6-5, 277, 4.86 40)
18. Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama (6-1 1/4, 242, 4.72 40)
21. Jarran Reed, DT, Alabama (6-2 7/8, 307, 5.2 40)
30. Kamalei Correa, DE, Boise State (6-2 5/8, 243, 4.69 40)
32. Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama (6-2 5/8, 247, 4.54 40)
33. Hunter Henry, TE, Arkansas (6-4 7/8, 250, 4.66 40)
34. Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana (6-6 5/8, 301, 4.94 40)
36. Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State (6-4 1/4, 273, 4.63 40)
38. Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (5-10 3/8, 190, 4.47 40)
39. Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma (5-10 1/4, 194, 4.48 40)
40. Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois (6-5 1/8, 297, 5.11 40)
41. Chris Jones, DT, Mississippi State (6-5 3/4, 310, 5.03 40)
42. Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State (6-4 3/8, 314, 5.32 40)
43. Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State (6-3 3/4, 301, 5.08 40)
45. T.J. Green, S, Clemson (6-2 1/2, 209, 4.34 40)
47. Jonathan Bullard, DT, Florida (603, 285, 4.93 40)
48. Vonn Bell, S, Ohio State (5-10 3/4, 199, 4.5 40)
49. Su’a Cravens, OLB, USC (6-0 3/4, 226, 4.64 40)
50. Tyler Boyd, WR, Pittsburgh (6-1 1/2, 197, 4.5 40)
51. Darian Thompson, S, Boise State (6-1 7/8, 206, 4.69 40)
One of these fellows is going to be a FIN tonight!!!!!!
🙂
Alexander 38 my pork butt
I mean just look at the top of that list. Dodd, Ragland, Reed, the two Henry’s. Chris Jones and Jonathan Bullard. Where is Spence at…isnt he still on the board?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000656617/article/2016-nfl-draft-best-remaining-prospects
Tonight is RD 2 and 3, right?
Correct. I may miss our pick in round 2 but should be back for round 3. I have an after hours work event tonight.
Took a half day just so i wouldnt miss a damn thing.
Rounds 2-3: Friday, April 29, 2016
Live coverage begins 7pm ET
I feel pretty good about Tunsil. I might be a tad bit nervous about it, but i could see in the emotion he had that night he was fighting off bawling, he is upset by it, he seems to be remorseful but he didnt try to avoid it, he took it head on, he showed some maturity in a really tough spot. I think we got a guy who is hands down the best OT in the draft, Stanley is not as complete as Tunsil, and we got him at an incredible value.
I do disagree with you guys about playing him at OG, he should come in at LT where he has beautiful footwork for that position and kick Albert in where he will be less likely to have make big sweeping steps to cut off pass rush and i think it is safer place to play with the injury history he has.
I think it is only a matter of time but there is something of a natural order that has to play out. Albert will get nicked up and Tunsil will slide over and when Albert comes back he will be at OG. Just my prediction. That’s how these situations often play out.
what time does the draft start tonight?
5 for you easties.
Yeah im an idiot…its 7pm for you easties.
I thought 8PM
7PM EST
Tim Knight says:
April 29, 2016 at 8:35 am
LT Albert/Tunsil
LG Albert/Tunsil
C Pouncey
RG Urbik/Turner
RT James:)
Reply
C’mon Timmy, you kept posting this last nite & this morning. Where’s Bushrod & Douglas?
I think Bushrod and/or Douglas could have a starting role. Should be a competitive camp!
Chris Foerster must be jumping with joy at the unit he can mold.
Ken says:
April 29, 2016 at 11:43 am
I think it is only a matter of time but there is something of a natural order that has to play out. Albert will get nicked up and Tunsil will slide over and when Albert comes back he will be at OG. Just my prediction. That’s how these situations often play out.
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It may be that he beats him out in TC and they move BA over then. May be they wind up trading him too, who knows, draft is still young.
If you take that list and remove DT, OL and WRs which seem to be unlikely candidates to this pig you get
5. Myles Jack, OLB, UCLA (6-1, 243, no 40 time)
16. Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson (6-5, 277, 4.86 40)
18. Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama (6-1 1/4, 242, 4.72 40)
30. Kamalei Correa, DE, Boise State (6-2 5/8, 243, 4.69 40)
32. Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama (6-2 5/8, 247, 4.54 40)
33. Hunter Henry, TE, Arkansas (6-4 7/8, 250, 4.66 40)
36. Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State (6-4 1/4, 273, 4.63 40)
38. Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (5-10 3/8, 190, 4.47 40)
40. Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois (6-5 1/8, 297, 5.11 40)
45. T.J. Green, S, Clemson (6-2 1/2, 209, 4.34 40)
47. Jonathan Bullard, DT, Florida (603, 285, 4.93 40) (left him on bc he can plat DE)
48. Vonn Bell, S, Ohio State (5-10 3/4, 199, 4.5 40)
49. Su’a Cravens, OLB, USC (6-0 3/4, 226, 4.64 40)
51. Darian Thompson, S, Boise State (6-1 7/8, 206, 4.69 40)
any my favorite Jeremy Cash is not even on the list!
its actually 7pm
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/what-time-does-the-nfl-draft-day-2-start-tv-guide-channel-042916
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25570633/nfl-draft-myles-jack-headlines-best-available-prospects-after-round-one
Hey that have my 2 favorites 1 and 2
Jack
then Alexander
Deion Jones #32 on this list
Ogbah is pretty low too
No sign of Jeremy Cash
Maybe he is a day 3 pick?
A day 3 Dolphins pick…..weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
didn’t see Jordan Jenkins on that list either
who is another interesting LB prospect for us
Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
And this: The Baltimore Ravens in 1996 drafted LT Jonathan Ogden No. 4 overall. Went on to HOF. He played LG as a rookie.
OMG, the horror? All good OL must be able to play at least 2 positions.
Mike from page turn. Yes I love Sean Davis, he’s been climbing the boards steadily since the combines or a lil before even.
Once thought of as a late round guy because of the position change his senior year, he’s now getting recognized for what I saw.
A big badass Db that can play CB or FS, ala a cheaper man’s version of Ramsey. I think he has every bit of potential to be as good or become better than Ramsey.
We’ve seen these things happen before. But you can see how this guy loves the game & loves to go after people.
I hear that! Mockers be damned, teams take who they value highly, whether the mockers agree or not. Look at Karl Joseph last night, and Keanu Neal. I think Davis could definitely be a target for us at #42.
I can’t wait that long to complain about our draft picks.
I’m surprised A’Shawn Robinson wasn’t taken in the 1st.
It would be cool if players like Jeremy Cash, Su’a Cravens, Jordan Jenkins, Deion Jones & Sean Davis are possibly 3rd round options for us as well as most of the RBs
the CB and DE options are bound to slim down after the 2nd
SB
Patience is a virtue my fiend. You’ll have all weekend, and the rest of your life to complain
If you’re a rookie HC, you play the veteran LT until you have to play the rookie….unless you have a shitty starting LT. Albert is a very good LT. If he’s healthy, he’ll be starting if he’s on the team. Then, you may even play Bushrod as your backup LT before you throw Tunsil in there. You make the rookie earn it and go with the proven vets if possible. They’ll try him at guard and tackle just to get a feel for him and to cross train him, but he won’t be starting unless Albert is hurt. I actually wonder if they’ll give him more of a look at RT and try to move James inside…not that I agree or not, but I think that’s more likely. Just my thoughts.
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Also, Tunsil is not a good run blocker. Putting him at guard will only expose his weakness. You try him there to coach him up and see how he does, but he needs to improve in run blocking a lot…especially if he’s at guard.
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I do think he’s gonna try to come in and play his ass off b/c of what happened. He seemed embarrassed and humbled a bit when he got picked…shaking hands with his boys…very stoic…like he was already contemplating how he was gonna make everyone regret passing on him. I like that shit. That can really be a motivator for some guys.
people want 1st rounders to be immediate starters
but I don’t think we have to rush this along
I’m sure he’ll be starting at guard. YEa he needs to work on run blocking but that’s why we have coaches.
I actually dont see his run blocking as a real weakness. He might not be as strong at it as Stanley, but he isnt “weak” so much as he just isnt as dominant. Stanley isnt as good in pass pro as Tunsil, probably even more so than Tunsil compared to him in run blocking, and yet no one is saying he is weak pass rusher.
Its encouraging to see most everyone here good with our 1st round pick, especially in the face of reports that make him a possible character risk and with the fact we could have still take a few players a lot of us here were still very high on like Lawson, Lee, etc. Maybe we do need to draft Spence next since we all seem to get along with them picking the troubled souls lol
Randy
I think you put your best players out there. If Tunsil looks more comfortable at T, then they may play him there if he’s as good or better than Albert or James, then maybe one of those guys moves inside if they can handle it better. You put your 5 best, whoever they may be. That’s how you win.
Yeah im making it open competition. Ye who wineth the LT playeth there, ye who dont, smelleth Pouncey pits.
Rex Ryan probably want to trade up for Tunsil just because of how beautiful his feet are. Probably spent months studying film on hos footwork.
Xavian Howard may be the pick for us too. He’s a big corner
Yeah Sean Davis or Howard in the 2nd would send the message
“We really like big corners”
but I don’t think either is likely to be BPA at 42
Mike E. says:
April 29, 2016 at 11:57 am
I’m surprised A’Shawn Robinson wasn’t taken in the 1st.
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He is pretty dominant, i was shocked about he and Reed. Reed is a monster, brutishly strong and hard to move. He will clog up an OL pretty heartily just by himself.
Really really nice guy too. One of my favorite of the meet an greet. Ragland is awesome too.
What were the biggest reaches of the night last night
3 really surprised me
Keanu Neal
Joshua Garnett
and Artie Burns
nd I think they are all good players
I immediately kept saying last nite, that I’d like to see us try to move Albert in a trade tonite for say a 2nd & 4th. There are still LT needy teams out there that may swing.
This makes the Bushrod signing all the more valuable as a cushion for Tunsil.
The smart teams like Pittsburgh & NE, seem to always know when to move on from their top vets and get value before it’s too late. We are facing that same scenario with Wake, he’s now damaged goods & over the age threshold for much trade value at his salary, so we’re kinda stuck there.
But we aren’t stuck with Albert while he’s finally healthy, and moving him frees up a lot of money for 2017….just a thought.
New poll up
MikeE,
I think folks undervalue experience. Sometimes your “best” players aren’t necessarily your most athletic or talented. Sometimes they’re your most experienced who you can trust…who coaches know what to expect from and know they’ll do things right most of the time. I’m not suggesting Tunsil can’t come in and grab a starting spot. He’s a talented kid. I’m just saying I would guess the coaches are gonna be much more comfortable playing Albert than a rookie. Lots of rookies LTs start out at RT these days, for instance.
@RedditCFB: Coastal Carolina DB Ray Lewis III, son of NFL great Ray Lewis, charged with criminal sexual conduct https://t.co/QGoO0bt9gn
Wow imagine that. I wonder if he used a knife?
but he will give a bunch of pep talks about proper conduct to rookies and young players next year
I wonder if someone asked him how it felt to be a criminal like his father & he responded “Like a boss!”
D,
He’s a leaner as a run blocker, and blocking at LT is not nearly as demanding as at guard. He has work to do. Pros will be putting him on his face a lot b/c of his blocking posture. In space, when he moves, he’s not as out of balance, but he’s gotta learn how to sit back in his stance and drive with balance…not lean forward and shove. He also tends to lock out his arms instead of keeping his elbows in tight and using leverage to gain better position.
Coach em up Randy…at least he has good footwork and doesn’t look like he’s stepped in a bucket & dragging it around. 🙂
Things Randy is explaining are easy to coach up. That footwork isn’t something you can make that good. He’s a natural.
Mike
I feel inclined to tell you that so far
Rounds 1-3 of your mock are wrong….lol
Yeah, looks that way. No way you would expect Tunsil to be there, and I honestly didn’t expect the Boys to take Zeke that early, despite hearing about it for weeks. I’m sure you also didn’t see Garnett going RD 1. I also underestimated the CB run and WJ3
The Flying Pig says:
April 29, 2016 at 12:14 pm
What were the biggest reaches of the night last night
3 really surprised me
Keanu Neal
Joshua Garnett
and Artie Burns
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I had more,
Karl Joseph was a pretty decent sized reach to me i had a couple other safeties higher than him.
Neal was a little bit of a reach, though i completely expected by pick 20 or so.
Garnett sorta kinda, i mean i think i was more shocked that it was a trade up to take him than the actual round he went in. I always assume a strong OG will potentially go late in the 1st.
Burns was a reach, however with the run on CB’s pretty much all the ones i had slotted as 2nd rounders also went in the first, so it was somewhat understandable, those kind of things happen.
Bosa was a little bit of a reach, especially for the team. Buckner made more sens for them.
Elliott was a reach, but he is a damn near perfect fit for them, still having 2 starting RB’s on your team already, drafting a 3rd at pick 4. I still think its a reach pick but a really good one.
Conklin was a little bit of a reach, had they taken Tunsil it wouldnt have seemed like one, taking Conklin did. Great player though.
Apple definitely was a reach.
Corey Coleman was a reach.
Taylor Decker, big reach, but run on OT’s kinda put him in a good place.
Doctson a little bit of a reach, kinda expect late 1st early second, again, run on WR’s that wasnt expected.
Ifedi might have been a late 2nd had it not been for the run on OT’s,
Yeah actually there were a lot of them
Weird draft
Come on down
T.J. Green, S, Clemson (6-2 1/2, 209, 4.34 40)
GDP:
Under no circumstances would I trade Albert. Keep him and lets put our best 5 OL out there and I am certain Albert is one of those 5. We need to keep good talent not trade it away.
Ken if they can get a 3rd at least for him, i think you trade him, we could wind up getting someone that makes a better starting 5 with what we pick up trading him. I dont see him as making us stronger, i see him as potential to make us weaker when he get injured again as he has every year since he came into the league.
I see him as making us stronger. If he gets injured now you have Tunsil and Bushrod. So we have the depth to deal with it. But otherwise he is a pro bowl caliber LT who can play OG too. You just don’t give those up imo. No one we get at this point will be as good as him.
getterdone says:
April 29, 2016 at 12:14 pm
I immediately kept saying last nite, that I’d like to see us try to move Albert in a trade tonite for say a 2nd & 4th. There are still LT needy teams out there that may swing.
This makes the Bushrod signing all the more valuable as a cushion for Tunsil.
The smart teams like Pittsburgh & NE, seem to always know when to move on from their top vets and get value before it’s too late. We are facing that same scenario with Wake, he’s now damaged goods & over the age threshold for much trade value at his salary, so we’re kinda stuck there.
But we aren’t stuck with Albert while he’s finally healthy, and moving him frees up a lot of money for 2017….just a thought.
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Im all for attempting a trade. I dont think we get anywhere near a 2nd and a 4th though, i am thinking we could get a 3rd straight up for him. The recent injuries are going to severely lower that price tag.
If we got a 2nd I would trade Albert
But I doubt we get a 2nd
no way we get a 2nd for albert.
I would not trade him for less
I wonder if we go RB with Henry at 42….
yeah Hunter Henry! lol
Charlie Campbell @DraftCampbell 34m34 minutes ago
Teams know Joey Bosa & Ezekiel Elliott are into party drugs like Molly & E, but Tunsil slides because teams can’t feign ignorance with photo
Bosa looked high last night
I agree, I was thinking same thing, that who OSU group are fucking party drug guys, ask Spence who felt the effects from it, even though he was partying with those guys when he was doing it.
Wow, I said OL was by far our biggest draft need and we got the BEST OL in the freakin’ DRAFT!
I’m not concerned either. Reminds me a bit of the Randy Moss draft day slide. I really really like this risk that Grier took. KUDOS!!!!!
D,
I agree. He has very good feet. But, it’s not like he hasn’t been being coached on these basic things since he was a kid. Some guys just struggle with certain things. Some guys develop bad habits they can’t get out of too. He’s a good athlete, so he gets the benefit of the doubt at this point.
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Anyway, I think it was a very good BPA pick. We got, possibly, our eventual starting LT for a number of years. Throw him in at guard and see what he does. Play him a LT and nowhere else. I don’t really care at this point. His value to the team is more long term than just what he does this year.
His value to the team is more long term than just what he does this year.
That feels pretty good to say for a change! 🙂
I agree, i just think him at LT and Albert at OG is the stronger pairing than him at OG Albert at LT, much for the same reasons you pointed out. Albert being the better run blocker is less weakness at OG.
Piggy:
I would love Henry in round 2. I know he is not your favorite but I think you are selling him short. The guy is a beast. Reminds me of Brandon Jacobs who was a stud for the Giants.
Henry would be a fine RB, Dixon, Drake, id be happen with any of them.
Im 50/50 on real desire to trade Albert, im 100% on making him win the LT spot from Tunsil instead ofjust giving it to him and bumping Tunsil inside. He’s going to be as good or better than Thomas, no sense in not taking a former OG and moving him back to that spot for the end of his career. A LOT of OT do that to extend their career, and like was pointed out, he probably will adjust better because he run blocking form is better. It will be a move to make us stronger.
D,
While completely agree with ya, Am I remembering right that when KC drafted Eric Fisher, Albert made it a point to say he wasn’t interested in playing guard?
Wonder if he’d pull that again if they tried to bump him inside for Tunsil.
Mando wrote an article today
That the Dolphins already decided to play Tunsil at OG
Oooo, better listen to Mando then. I forgot he sets the depth chart. 😉
Finally got you guys to give some feedback…thank you.
it’s a calculated risk, but yes, I’d trade Albert if we got even a 3rd & 4th, or 3rd & 5th, or maybe a 3rd straight up.
Got to consider his age, his injury history, & his large salary. With Bushrod & Tunsil, now is probably the best time to move him. Yes I still like Albert, but this is what teams like Pitt & NE do to name a few. It can make good business sense.
If Albert gets injured again, then he’s an expensive commodity sitting on the sidelines.
If we still didn’t have so many needs at other positions, then I’d say hold him as long as you can.
But we still need CB, LB, DE, RB talent that is more than some late round or UDFA type. An extra 3rd and or 4th would really help address those areas…IMO.
Brandon Jacobs was inconsistent with the Giants and rarely healthy. He wasn’t a stud.
I was just gonna say that, thank you.
I would want to have a Henry be like that. Jacobs was a beast in spurts, but never enough over the long haul.
Good call SB7!
Oh, BTW, Sean Davis Sean Davis! 😉
Weird feeling
Being bored with the free agency signing
Not so excited about the upcoming draft
Then excited about the player we took
I’m not used to it
The draft reminded me that meaningful games aren’t for months and it’s left me anxious in a bad way. I still don’t like the Tunsil pick. Looks good on paper but I don’t have a good feeling about the guy. Someone buy me ice cream and make me feel better.
Waiting for the reality hammer to hit you tonight????
Jacobs was good for a couple of years
He had 5000 career rushing yards
2k in a 2 year period
But I would not have spent a 2nd pick on jacobs
Maybe a 3rd
Those aren’t great numbers
I think the Giants were great went jacobs was at his best
So it’s kind of misleading
I think people get caught up in the big back comparison. Henry is a superior prospect.
Well ken made that comparison and I saw it in a scouting report too
I don’t love Henry regardless of who he compares too
I’m just speculating about offseason strategy
Give Tanny an elite OT and power running game and see if he can take a leap up?
Bosa sounded high as hell last night in his interview on NFL radio. He said something like this, in a voice that sounded an awful lot like Jeff Spicoli “I was like sitting at my table, and like my agent says, dude, you’re phone is face down, you may want to turn it over, and I’m like, no way man, and he’s like, yeah man, the Chargers want you, and I’m like, wow, it was like crazy man.”
“Don’t flunk me Mr Hand”
That said
It would change the offense to have a player like Jacobs
But I really don’t want to ignore defense like that
Just wondering about Henry bc wondering if the FO is thinking
Build around Tannehill first
Brandon Jacobs didn’t have a good short yardage conversion rate either. Prototypical high runner.
He was a stud. I watch a lot of Giants football and that guy carried a mediocre team and was the major reason why Eli developed from a mistake prone QB to a 2 time SB MVP. He was a beast for a period of about 3 years. Injuries did take it’s toll on him but for those 3 years he was excellent.
Here is some delicious octopus ice cream for you SB
Mmmmmmmm
I was thinking more mint chocolate chip or moose tracks.
The octopus was fed mint chocolate chips
So there’s that
Well in that case… where’s my spoon?
SB
Relax bro – Tunsil was a great pick
If people Identified Tunsil as a risk to be a pothead
And not Bosa
I don’t think they know much about marjuana
Bosa does sound like Spicoli Mike E
Nice comparison
Would be funny if Bosa arrived at the draft like this
I found some Andes candies. They’ll do for now.
Pig,
I agree with making sure you have a power run game. I have no problem if they took Henry…. Him and Ajayi as a rotation in the Miami humidity could be devastating to defenses. With that said I think they go LB and go with Darius Jackson later in the draft for a RB.
No DB?
I’m looking at Alexander
I would be happy with that pick.
Already looking like a bust
Piggy, always scouring the wires for dirt….I’m a lawyer 🙂
We really can’t go RB in the 2nd round unless we acquire another 2nd or 3rd round pick.
It’s CB, LB, DE time.
No matter what we are walking out of this draft with some holes. We have too many to fill in one draft but I like the Cowboys model. Strong OL and strong RB and that is a D’s best friend.
Goff is defeated by a simple by a revolving door. Just like so many Phins QBs
Pig,
In regards to defensive back Dieondre Hall in RD 3 might make more sense. For me I have Ragland, Jack, Dodd, Spence etc as better players than Alexander. Now if Mac is the BPA by all means you take him.
What are these bullshit articles I’m seeing that Tunsil might face discipline for the video by the NFL? How the F can they do that? Why would something from 3 years ago when he wasn’t even in the NFL be up for discipline by the NFL? That seems impossible.
Not discipline per se, but put into the “program” to be monitored.
The guy passed every drug test, that seems absurd that he should be in a program for something he did 3 years ago
No discipline, maybe a recommendation into a program where he’ll be monitored and frequent drug tests.
Ken,
Good point & I agree to a point.
But now we have a strong OL (Tunsil) Bushrod in FA, Urbik, Young, plus young developing 2nd & 3rd year guys Douglas, Turner, etc.
We also have a RB that had as good or better stats than Zeke when he was @ Boise St. Ajayi also showed well in limited snaps last year. He’s likely the lead back.
We will draft a solid complimentary RB somewhere in the draft, plus we still have a guy like Arian Foster waiting in the wings if need be. This is before June 1st & TC mandatory roster trims.
Plus we have in camp to compete for a role DT3, Pead, & Damien Williams (whom Gase & staff seem to like, see a fit for).
So we need to address CB opposite Maxwell…IMO.
We also could use another LB & young DE to play in rotation with Branch.
Don’t get me wrong I badly want a CB but the drafting of Tunsil has me shifting my focus. Build to your strengths and right now dare I say the OL can be a strength. I like Ajayi but he has durability concerns so I think it is paramount we get another RB so as to exploit that advantage we now have at OL.
As soon as we draft a guy at a position people look to get rid of another guy for cap reasons or whatever. We have plenty of cap space this year. You add good talent, you don’t keep adding and subtracting. How does that work. Than you get an injury and you have a John Fox playing. Stop the madness.
^What he said^
LMAO, well excuse me.
Fact is we all have been eyeing the breaking off point for Albert, or else why did we draft a LT & why did we sign a FA LT?
I’m not saying Albert is a must go right now. It could certainly help a lot to have him here.
All I said was I think as a smart GM, that you have to entertain the idea, see what he might bring in a trade.
Remember you here HC’s & VP’s say all the time that everyone is expendable at some point. no one is irreplaceable. You always have to hunt for value vs. what’s best for the team.
Remember you ^hear^ HC’s…..
Mike E:
Unfortunately the league can put Tunsil into the program for the video. It can discipline him for it but if he should have another violation then the program protocols apply.
There is not much anyone can do about that because it is in the collective bargaining agreement and the court just upheld…oh wait a minute
We have so many needs and there’s still some really good talent in those areas.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000657564/article/2016-nfl-draft-9-remaining-gems-left-after-day-1
This doesn’t include Alexander, Whitehair, Ogbah, Bullard, Fuller, Davis, etc. So much good talent left. I wish we had another 2nd too.
If Tunsil is put in a program that merely tests him frequently, I’m fine with that, it will likely keep him clean, and on the up and up. I just don’t want the kid to miss a day of work.
He wont at this point unless he should test positive and then the protocols apply but right now no discipline.
That’s fine. Still seems silly, but if that’s all it is, I can deal with that.
Our starting OL could be,
left to right, Tunsil, Bushrod (Douglas), Pouncey, Turner (Urbik), James
Other depth: Dallas Thomas, Jacques McClendon, Sam Young, John Ulrick
Trading Albert gave us an extra Day 2 pick that we can spend on three out these four necessary positions of need CB, RB, LB, or DE.
Go Phins!
I would rather keep albert, unless its a 2nd rounder.
We would finally have an OL that can dominate, why remove a piece and make it less domiinating? I know to shore up another area but I prefer one area to dominate instead of shoring up a hole. Keep Albert and dominate on the OL.
GDP
You’re getting Tim very angry by continuing to try and trade Albert.
Yeah, I don’t agree with trading Albert either. We’re finally getting the o-line to the point where it can be a strength and you’re going to trade the starting LT. Then you still have holes at both guard positions. If anything, I hope they double down on offensive line today and get the other starter at guard rather than playing around with it. Team has a lot of needs and you can’t fix everything in just one draft but you can at least get one area right. Like I said last night. If rumors of Phins trying to trade back into 1st were true I wouldn’t doubt they were trying to get Ifedi, who they really liked.
I agree doubling down on OL is a good idea.
I don’t think we should trade Albert either at this point. It’s a long season, you never know what can happen, and we haven’t see if tonsil can handle starting from day one. It’s a little early to be thinking about getting rid of him.
I have gotten shit done today
I’m happy to hear your Bowles are clean.
Mike,
You can’t keep every high cost vet. That’s why you draft to start replacing them.
Cause he’s 32 during this season.
Cause he hasn’t played a 16 game season since 2011, missing 16 games over the last 4 years, 9 of those missed games in Miami the past 2 years he’s been here.
Cause he’s due $8.5-$9.5 thru 2018
Cause we signed LT Bushrod in FA that can back up Tunsil.
Believe me, I like Albert, I know he’s a good to great LT…but…I’d certainly look into it. If no one offers up enough, then yes, by all means, keep him for now and address it again in 2017, hopefully he”s still healthy & his play hasn’t fallen off at that point.
I think Albert is under contract until next season. It’s not like we’re paying him forever. This season is not an issue cap wise. If next season becomes one, and Tunsil has proven he’s the man, we can consider it next season.
He signed a 5yr deal in 2014 when he got here. That’s thru 2018.
I think Tunsil should enter the NFL with a clean slate
But the NFL under this commissioner sometimes runs the show like a Super Corp
And sometimes just isn’t very practical
Kraft is likely pushing him…’hey, you punished me & Tom Lady, I want you to put heat on Miami…Waaaa!’
Wtf
Not even worthy of a reply…
I can’t even believe you go there still! Maybe for comic relief?
gdp
I do understand trading assets, but we don’t even know yet if Tunsil can start at LT in the NFL. Can he at least participate in a practice before we trade away a top 5ish LT? Lol
GDP is like the crazy girlfriend you have who rearranges your entire house when you buy a new sofa
😛
Can’t we keep Albert and Tunsil both!
Stop messing with the furniture
LMFAO!!
GDP
That’s fine, so next year we have options. No need to trade Albert at this point, he’s not hurting us this year cap wise at all. I understand what you’re trying to accomplish, I don’t think we’re in a position to do that right now.
I can’t wait till RD 2 and
3
LOL @ you guys.
Tanny likes the pick
Pig,
Omar’s tweet is essentially him trying to piggy back off from crap Miko was spewing against Tannenbaum etc. he also had a tweet saying that Tunsil wasn’t even that good of a prospect.
Tannebaum is the man. He rebuilt and improved this teams OL/DL trenches in 1 yr and 1st round. We still have today and tomorrow left. Maybe he knows something after all.
The money 8 million tensil lost helps our salary cap. Our luck with the 13th pick has finally changed. AJ Hawk played inside/outside for bengals last yr and was recently let go. There is going to be players who are highly qualified players that are being replaced by 2nd and 3rd rounders. We can upgrade our LB’s depth just by picking up some veterans
Patience is a virtue Mike E
That it is my friend, that it is. I’m not always as virtuous as I should be. I try though . . .
Fuck Omar
I have a question for you guys. Make believe we don’t have Ajayi. What RB that we could draft would you be most comfortable with as our main starter going forward?
Henry by a lot imo.
Dixon
but, the real answer to me is now that the Phins got Tunsil you go for the jugular and get your running back; if they have one in mind. get the guy you want to team with Ajayi and put them behind this line and let them run the ball this year. we’ve got the best offensive lineman in the draft and things are starting to look up for the offense right now. Get that rb in there with Ajayi and make it happened. WR’s and TE’s are good. Get the RB!
yeah—-3 yards and a cloud of dust. 3rd and short with our OL and receivers could make this team lethal.
I would love to see Henry and Ajayi in same backfield like Alabama did with its 2 headed backfield. Ajayi can split out while bringing the LB with him and Henry can run freely with holes created from pre snap movement. Let’s not forget we have a very good blocking TE who was injured most of last year.
If not for his knee DEVONTAE BOOKER
So My RB would be KENNETH DIXON
i agree with getter, they need to trade albert
(i really dont i just feel sorry for him with all of you bullies ganging up on him)
dont worry getter i got your back, just trust me…..no no dont turn around just trust me i got your back.
Doesn’t bother me. It’s like dealing with a classroom full of brats that don’t listen….LOL
Lou
You’re not worried about the competition Dixon faced?
Lou
I can see that angle, but I do think we need to get a CB first.
CB an S are bigger needs than RB
Safety, meh, we got Isis to take heads off now. Plus I’m in favor of moving Jamar Taylor to safety if he doesn’t lock down a CB spot early enough in camp.
VJ may also be good for developing guys like Aikens & Michael Thomas.
It is not necessarily abut need it’s about creating a situation where we can dominate the line of scrimmage and that can make up for shortcomings in other areas of the team. If we can dominate LOS and time of possession our defense won’t need as much help as it might otherwise need.
I’d rather do one thing right that 5 things mediocre. If we pick a CB just for the sake of picking a CB and filling a hole it doesn’t solve anything. If he’s the shit then yeah. If not, fix what you can and move on. I don’t like the idea of trying to fix everything in one draft and getting nothing accomplished.
I completely agree with Prof Lou. We may now have an elite OL so exploit that advantage and go get the best remaining RB in this draft. That to me is Henry and I would target him as our next pick.
Hold on a second. Let’s just say for arguments sake that Albert is able to hold off Tunsil at LT, and James is healthy, and he remains the RT, and Tunsil doesn’t get comfortable inside right way, and Turner and Douglas are the starting OG’s. How exactly are we elite? I think you guys are getting a little too excited about how much Tunsil makes us better right now. Seriously. I hope he does, obviously, but I’m not so sure he makes us elite quite yet.
the only way Tunsil isn’t starting at LG is if he brings that gas mask to practice with him.
well, I didn’t say elite and I didn’t imply it either. my point is the offensive line with the addition of Tunsil at LG gives us more of an opportunity to do the things we want to do in running and passing the ball. we should be a lot better on the line if everyone stays healthy. i’d rather try and get one thing right and if it’s the offense we get right then so be it. make us more competitive and get us to the point where we can put up more points in games and at least win them by outscoring our opponents.
the offensive line doesn’t need to be elite but with 4/5 of it looking to be solved we can start to think about finishing it off with a rb if THAT guy is there.
I’m still trying to figure out who we were trying to get at the end of the first rd. was it Ifedi? maybe they thought Henry was going at the end of the first. Maybe they though it was a cb. I wish I knew.
42: R2P11 CB MACKENSIE ALEXANDER, CLEMSON
73: R3P10 RB JORDAN HOWARD, INDIANA
107: R4P9 CB RASHARD ROBINSON, LSU
147: R5P8 S MILES KILLEBREW, SOUTHERN UTAH
186: R6P11OLB DE’VONDRE CAMPBELL, MINNESOTA
227: R7P6 DE ANTHONY ZETTEL, PENN STATE
231: R7P10 DT JOEL HEATH, MICHIGAN STATE
Lou
Just because he’s the starting OG doesn’t mean he’s a good one now. We have no idea how he will play at G. I think we need to pull it back a little on how great our O-line is all of a sudden.
Tunsil makes our offensive line better from the get go. Again, not elite, but better. as the season goes on it will probably get better because of everyone playing together; barring injuries. But, Tunsil is definitely an elite prospect and having him playing LG for us makes us better on the o-line day one.
in addition he can play rt or LT. They are saying he may play rt with james shifting inside to rg.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
April 29, 2016 at 3:17 pm (Edit)
the only way Tunsil isn’t starting at LG is if he brings that gas mask to practice with him.
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LMAO. Maybe Pouncey will ask him for one.
Mike E:
I used the phrase we “may” now have an elite OL. It is in the hypothetical and relies on the projection of Tunsil’s skills. But if he is as advertised, Albert plays like he has and James returns to his rookie form at RT and Pouncey does what he does then yes that could be a dominant OL. Last year James missed most of the year and both OGs were horrible. Additionally Pouncey missed time so it was really a makeshift OL. But in FA we added depth and we got the best OL in the draft.
we’re not talking about getting an offensive lineman in the third or fourth round. we’re not talking about Douglas here. we’re talking about an elite LT here. he makes us better on offense now.
Yeah Lou, he’s a LT, who you’re asking to play inside. His speed totally nullified, it’s more about power and tenacity inside. His footwork not as critical, and that’s his strength.
DAY ONE…The only thing missing from this offense being a elite unit is a power RB.
I just think you guys need to temper your enthusiasm on the O-line right now. Maybe next year, maybe this year, but I’m far from convinced until I see it happen.