by D
Let me begin by saying that draft strategies are as varied as women’s underpants, and likewise, some are more appealing to others, especially given the variety of women that wear them. I have my particular views of what is a strong draft strategy but I do not, in the least, feel it is the one the Dolphins use, nor is it better than another. I do say this, however, to point out that my evaluation is based on how I think they did, and is partially based upon my own beliefs.
Let me describe then, my belief in drafting. I am not a pure BPA person; I also am not a vertical big board person. I like to combine a few aspects of BPA, horizontal big board and player specific targeting approaches. I feel it is a good strategy for getting guys you want, and yet having the flexibility for not over drafting and with preferences towards accumulating picks over sacrificing them unnecessarily.
Now that you have an understanding of my philosophy, let me begin the draft breakdown.
Round 1, pick 13: Mississippi OT Laremy Tunsil 6’5″ 310
Tunsil was my highest rate player and only one really close was Ramsey. Any other draft where QB wasn’t of such desperation would have landed him as the No. 1 overall selection. The pick to me, was BPA, it was a target player (if you lived in the land of make-believe where you really thought this was possible), it was a need position, and it was a gift from the football gods. I can’t see how this is anything other than A+, unless you are a worrier, then you might bump it down to A. Final assessment A+.
Round 2, pick 38: Baylor CB Xavien Howard 6’0″ 201
First let me set things straight, I like the guy we picked. There had been a few CB taken early so there was some sense of urgency in making this selection, though I do not agree that the urgency required a trade up. I can’t really argue if the guy would have been selected between the 4 picks we moved up to get him, because no one really knows, but I feel certain it would have been unlikely we would have been jumped by another team to take him. I also feel pretty certain that players like TJ Green, and Sean Davis offered equally rate CB prospects, same scheme fit, and Green in particular has better measurable like 40 time. I had them all pretty equally graded. Due to this I give the player selection a B+, but what we gave up to get him makes the pick a B- overall.
Round 3, pick 73: Alabama RB Kenyan Drake 6’1″ 210
Kenyan Drake is a beast. I know people think he is a scat back, or a 3rd down guy, but he is going to be a LOT more. He’s pretty comparable to Lamar Miller, but is a better receiver, statements about he cant run between the tackles is not accurate, he wasn’t use that way at Alabama but that’s because Alabama always had Henry and before that, Lacy. Drake was used as a change of pace guy there, but I don’t see that same thing for him in Gase’s system, which is a lot different from Saban’s. I think this is a perfect fit for us, and it was great talent at the right round. I think this is an A+ selection.
Round 3, pick 86: Rutgers WR Leonte Carroo 6’0″ 211
Ah, another trade up. So as I mentioned, not a big fan of giving up picks to get a play, unless it’s really justified. Player we picked is a great selection, so let’s analyze the trade. We gave up a 6th round pick, but more importantly a 3rd and a 4th rounder in 2017 to move up and take Caroo. I had Pharaoh Cooper ranked higher than Caroo, and to be honest with the way they play, there is a really strong comparison to one another. I also had Demarcus Robinson rated pretty close, though I do think Caroo gets the edge as far as play demeanor. Robinson can half ass plays sometimes, and doesn’t play aggressive. His physical skills are better but Caroo is probably the better fit. I give the pick a B+, but with what we gave up in the trade, im dropping the pick to a C+ grade.
Round 6 pick 186: Texas Tech WR/RB Jakeem Grant
Ok so I’m stuck between the nickname jitter bug and tater tot, for Grant, maybe jitter tot? At first glance you look at it and go, WTF 5’6 really but then you turn on the highlights and interviews and you go, wow this kid has spunk, he’s a baller. Quietly I have found myself loving this pick and the player. We did trade up once again to get this pick after previously trading back with NE. We swapped 6ths 196 for 186 and gave up an early 7th to move up to get him. Its hard to bag on late round trades as you are obviously maneuvering around to get a guy who probably adds special teams ability, and maybe if you are lucky becomes a backup/role player. In this guy we got a potential ST ace in the return game and a weapon on offense. Trading up to get a 1st year contributor, is an A+ move. Given the potential of this pick I see it as an A+ grade.
Round 6 pick 204: Penn State S/CB Jordan Lucas 6’0″ 201
I had to go back and watch some film on Lucas to be honest, since I didn’t remember being wow’d by him early on. He is aggressive as hell; he looks to lay a hit on people when they catch it. His zone skills are pretty solid, and I didn’t see him in press much, so kind of hard to say. Guys who play like that however usually are going to be solid press guys though. He played both S and CB, and I think for us he could wind up in either spot. He doesn’t really have elite ball-skills, but he fights through receptions, stripping a lot out and he puts hits on guys that jar’s the ball out. I give this pick a B+, because I like the upside and I think it’s a regime pick and fits our scheme solidly no matter which position he winds up at.
Round 7 pick 223: Western Kentucky QB Brandon Doughty 6’3″ 213
Is this a pick to threaten Tannehill? No not really. Should Tanny feel pressure to improve because of this pick, I think a little. I like the pick because he does represent someone who has shown in CUSA to be a standout player. He seems to have limitations however, that I don’t think you can think of him as a potential franchise guy, but I also wouldn’t count him out of the possibility. I think this selection signifies an approach by our team to always be looking to add talent at any position, even if its one that’s seemingly secure. I think as a 7th round selection the pick was a very solid one, accomplishing 2 things, an current upgrade to the backup QB spot, and an outside chance to develop a guy who eventually starts, either for us or traded to another team. Grade B.
Round 7 pick 231: UCLA TE Thomas Duarte 6’2″ 231
The pick of Duarte is a somewhat rarity in the 7th round. 7th rounders aren’t supposed to be guy who contribute right away, they are at best special-teamers that you kinda hope after a few years can be counted on as a backup, or small contributor. Most 7th rounders have little chance to make it on the team long term. Durate though I think is a guy we see make a contribution first year. It may not be gaudy numbers, but I think he comes in and gets exposure right off. I think there are things they can do with him on the field and packages they can unlock with him they couldn’t without him. I think he and Jitter Tot, are kind of in the same boat, sub package players, ST contributors and mismatch guys in different packages. I give this pick a A+ as well.
I think our draft was a really nice one, I don’t think it was as good as some of the other teams, but it was certainly better than most I think. Overall I give our draft a grade of B+, we filled a lot of holes, we got some talented players, and the only real complaint I have is the trades, which at times didn’t follow good draft strategy to me. The players we got were good talented guys I hope to see on the field next year, if this happen of course then the trades were great moves, so I hope to come back around at some point re-evaluating this draft and giving it a higher score.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Markey
I kind of agree with you on the 2nd RD trade, BUT, just because no other team a CB doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have taken one if Howard was on the board. He may have been the guy those teams wanted. At the time of the draft, I completely thought they blew it. After thinking about it, I came to that conclusion
I had him rated below who the Vikings took 16 spots later Alexander, Mackensie CB but I know teams have their way of putting their boards together…
Not sure when it hit me, but I realized if a CB was under 6’0″, we weren’t going there, no matter what the talent.
I was saying that all through the debate on drafting Hargreaves, Vernon CB 5’10” 204 Florida he is not the prototype CB they are looking for. But going to paly with Grimes with Tampa is good for him and us…
I had Eli Apple who the Giants are getting creamed ofr taking at #10 the player Miami was targeting until Big Laremy fell into our laps. Armando said Eli was high on Miami draft board.
Steve, I wouldn’t be surprised if we signed DE Jason Jones.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11288/jason-jones
Tim,
I think howard would have been there. They didn’t need to trade 4 spots.
steveccnv says:
May 3, 2016 at 5:24 pm
You really don’t keep signing guys up until camp, sure it happens, but most teams don’t get more than fodder from here on out. I keep hearing by you guys all these players were still going to sign.
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You’ve seen where they’re still mulling DE Jason Jones, CB Leon Hall, maybe still RB Arian Foster, Matt Slauson was released by the Bears yesterday….so don’t say you still can’t get solid depth guys after the draft in FA.
Prayers to the Don Shula family. Keep fighting you tough old bird!
Tim,
You’re right, my bad. I just wanted Booker. Selfishly. No clue on the Alabama kid, but I hope he’s a good one. He probably has a lot less miles on him since he wasn’t the featured guy.
My comment about depth is more of a numbers thing. The odds of finding quality players is higher in the 3/4/5 rounds than 6/7. Not dramatically so, but if you continually give those picks away and rely on 6/7 and UFAs you typically end up with guys who have a lower ceiling. That, and we invest a lot of money in a small number of players so it means we run into cap issues retaining vets.
It’s nitpicking to some degree, but the cumulative effect is tough to overcome.
My point exactly, trade 5th, 6th 7th round picks all you want but 3rd and 4th and even 5th sometimes still land you both quality depth and cheaper players….
NFL draft:
1996 / Round: 5 / Pick: 154 Zach Thomas
The most important thing is Miami drafted players they targeted and that is all that matters for now. As a passionate fan I want what is best for the team so I hope things work out. As fake GM I have some issues with the trades especially giving up picks from next year who knows what they could help Miami do on draft day 2017. Don’t sell the future….
Fins Up!
🙂
I think they wanted to get out of the gates early with Gase as the playcaller on offense & HC.
They’ll worry more about the defense after they see where it’s at after playing with an improved offense that can stay on the field some, & score points…both a Defense’s best friend.
Join the 30 or so other fake GM’s on the board. 🙂
🙂
Not me, I’m a fake VP of Football Operations and all of you crappy GM’s are FIRED!
Can you please get a leash on that Mr. T guy, huh?
Hang in there Coach +++++++++
Markey
If Eli Apple made to #13, and Tunsil was gone, I think you could have punched his ticket at #13, I agree.
I would love to know if that’s true or not, or if they would have gone in a different direction, or even tried to trade to back.
Giants :
“We like Eli just because he’s the No. 1 corner on our board,” vice president of player evaluation Marc Ross said. “The guy is big. He’s fast. He’s athletic. He’s clean off the field. He’s got tremendous upside. He played at a high level on a quality defense with a lot of other playmakers and guys that were going to be drafted.
Hard to be a poor CB with guys up front like Boase, Lee, Washington, Perry, & Bell helping out.
^Bosa^
drg, Drake is real explosive. He can run and catch, can line up as a receiver and he can help on STs both in the return game and he also plays flyer on punt coverage.
Good thing we traded the future away to get him…..oh wait, that was Howard & Carroooo….lol
OK Mayock
Well yeah I didn’t know he was a flyer/gunner to who hunts punt returners. LOL
steveccnv says:
May 3, 2016 at 5:18 pm
We did get players in FA every guy we lost we aren’t getting picks for. I think you’re way off D.
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Steve the way the system works inst plus or minus in FA its specific to position. Lose a DE in FA, do not get one in FA (and street FA signings do not count) and ou are at a deficit, signing a S does not int he least offset the DE loss because its a different position. It also has a lot to do with the YPA of the salary the player got from the team they signed with.
Vernon, for example, was a loss at DE, we did not sign a DE in FA so no offset, because he rec’d an 18mil YPA salary, he’s a sure fire 3rd round selection as compensation and because i think he was one of the biggest contracts of the off-season for a player signing with another team, its likely our comp pick will be one of the first ones for that round.
Miller was a loss at RB, which we didnt replace in FA (I dont think Pead or DT3 were URFA’s, but even if they were, they are negligible in salary as an offset). He got 6.5 mil YPA salary. Will kind of depend on where the YPA cutoff is on whether or not he is a 3rd round compensation, but he will should be at least a 4th.
Shelby and Matthews again, represent playes in positions we lost in FA that we did not re-comp at that position. Shelby rec’d 4.5 mil YPA contract, and Rishard Matthews a 5mil YPA contract. Each of these guys should also be 4th round compensation levels.
Yep, Maxwell, Alonso, Williams and a few others don’t count as UDFAs.
The Giants think that if your name is Eli you have to play for them. They were clearly leading the league in Eli’s prior to the draft and now the lead seems almost certainly insurmountable.
Id love to see what their draft boards were, what they looked like. Several comments i heard regarding their draft id also like to know answers to. One in particular was reported that Tunsil was number 2 on their board. I cant see how he would have been anything but a 1 for us, considering we didn’t need a QB in the 1st, so i could only guess the no 1 guy was Ramsey, but id like to know who was 1. Id also really like to know who the top CB was. They keep saying the traits they liked in Howard was his alpha male attitude, aggressiveness, and press ability, and i know Hargreaves has those traits in bucket fulls. Just curious to know who their guy was.
My guess is Ramsey.
I’d also really like to know if any other team really had Howard as their pick if he was there in the 2nd RD.
Call them? LOL
I think the FO wanted to get out of the gates early with Gase as the playcaller on offense & HC.
They’ll worry more about the defense after they see where it’s at after playing with an improved offense. One that can stay on the field some, & score points…both of which are a Defense’s best friend. 🙂
Thoughts? …or should we run around the mulberry bush on picks that were traded & why?
Yes I do think we felt scoring more points was paramount regardless of the defense. But most of our moves prior to the draft was on defense so we kind of balanced it out.
Also if alpha male is their thing, i cannot see Bosa being attractive to them at all. That dude’s self assured attitude was such a put on. Id rather have someone who is honest about their weaknesses than a phony tough guy.
Spicoli is not a tough dude.
drg, the way our draft played out, we kind of need to get 4th rd value from our 6th and 7th rd picks – role players, depth and STs. If we do then we did just fine. if not they will be questioned about their moves. But if our top 4 picks become impact players, that will level it out.
Im all kinda excited about Jitter Tot…. Little Napoleon complex “im gonna show those jolly green giant mother fuckers what a little man can do” syndrome fucker.
He doesn’t care about bigger dudes anyway, he’ll just leap up and while he’s standing on their shoulders he’ll be kicking them in the face.
Mike E. says:
May 3, 2016 at 6:52 pm
I’d also really like to know if any other team really had Howard as their pick if he was there in the 2nd RD.
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Grier in an interview claimed there was someone in between the 4 picks we traded up to, and our original spot, that might have taken him. These are the 3 players we jumped to move up.
TB, who took Hargreaves in the first.
NYG, who took Apple in the first.
Bills, who have Stephon Gilmore and Ronald Darby
Im thinking the chances of him being take were slim. There is a chance another team might have been looking to trade up, but im just not believing it was much of a threat.
Sorry, three teams i meant.
The rumor was the Bears were looking to trade up for Howard.
It doesn’t matter, they decided to move up and give up the 4th, to them that was the one position with a glaring need that they had to get their guy, and they did. They’ll pay with their jobs, if they don’t get it right, so they get to take the risk.
This time of year is always such an aphrodisiac.
What fat chicks start wearing yoga pants? LOL
Tim
Mike E: Hi, Mr. Pace, this is Mike E from finsmobuleashed.com. I’m doing a story for our blog, and I’d love to know if you had intentions of taking CB Xavien Howard in the 2nd RD, if the Dolphins trade up.
Ryan Pace: Uh Mike, you sound like a really nice guy, but uh . . . . Fuck off! -CLICK-
By the way, how did you get my number?
Anyway you should start with… I’m sure you’re aware of my website, Finsmobunleashed…
LOL – World renowned Dolphins blog
Announcer: I can’t believe what I just saw, Grant ran between his legs.
Commentator: He did that to the DE, then ran up the LBs leg, jumped off his shoulder and ricocheted off the safety’s elbow. Amazing!
And through the uprights!
Look at that the Fins are only lining up 10 players, why don’t they call a time out? Nope they’re going to run the play.
Did you see that grANTman just literally jump out the fullback Earl Mitchell’s back pocket and is streaking down the sideline with the ball.
He could go all the way…
LOL
Was trading picks the right choice or did we set the team back in 2017-2027?
It could be a decade, or more . . .
Boy that football looks awfully big that Tannehill is throwing … no wait he threw Grant who is holding the ball. Tanny dumped him off in the flats where the little speedster is all alone with nothing but paydirt in front of him.
Now that would be a good play….Tanny is about big enough to do that…lol
Still’s would drop it. 😉
Cruz is toast
DefeaTED
If I had only a few yrs to make something happen or I’d get replaced the first thing I’d do is trade back and stock pile those picks, making sure I got as many as I could for future yrs. If I had my eye on someone and all I had to do was give them an extra late round pick I still wouldn’t do it even if I thought that guy was a real difference maker. Why you ask, because once upon a time I heard that draft picks were like gold, or a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get.
Wha??? How many times have we seen busts everywhere?
I was reading that 13 teams out of top 20 picks in 2012 have all declined the 5th year option…so apparently it’s fools gold my friend.
Shhhh, I was playing GM Mike E. I wanted to see how it looked written down.
so thru 2 games and half a period the islanders or maybe they should be called the reflanders have had 6 first period power plays to none for tampa……but yeah the game is being called evenly
Landslide in Indiana 55% Trump
Cruz 33 & Kasich 10%
If Ted & Kasich don’t do the right thing, drop out now & get behind Trump, then that’s really ashame & exposing who really is steering them for so long.
and tampa scores and magically the refs deny the goal. these reflanders are fucking good
Come on Rob we all know all sports is on the level, don’t be like the chemtrail lady.
LMAO
Taco Bell gives you more than the chitz man!
Texans LT Duane Brown successfully appealed a 10-game suspension for violating the league’s PED policy by proving his positive test was triggered by tainted Mexican meat.
Gase is going to be fun to watch at pressers with dumb questions from reporters. He looks like he has no tolerance for stupidity. LOL
Why, you can’t hear one question they ask?
Isn’t that friggin annoying that you have to figure out what they probably asked. It’s 2016 guys, wtf?
steve,
i know it is on the level, i always say that. what ever level gets the highest ratings wins.
FFR, the Lightning are getting called for penalties because they’re committing them. Everyone knows that.
Tim Knight says:
May 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm
FFR, the Lightning are getting called for penalties because they’re committing them. Everyone knows that.
yep, that they are, but the reflanders are not getting called for the same thing. Everyone knows that.
I’m just joking, I don’t really care who wins I’m a Flyers fan.
What’s this stuff about rookies not practicing?
Instead of running around in shorts for two days or whatever it’s going to be more of a class room setting – how to be a pro, what’s expected of them, what not to do, the playbook, nutrition, conditioning etc.
…passing the gas mask
tim,
really you were joking. aaahhh damn i never would have figured that without you telling me
lol, tampa ties it up at the end of the first. and the reflanders come out strong and call a penalty on tampa with in 3 minutes of the second period. these reflandera are tough
Whaaa Whaaa Whaaa. Go Islanders!
Great job D. I watched a lot of Lucas, and he is very agressive. That can get him into trouble sometimes, but I’d rather him be overagressive and physical than sit back and be passive. He definitely isn’t afraid to stick his nose in and lay the lumber. I can see them lining him up at safety or potentially CB in passing situations.
oh wait and that is this the reflanders get another power play
just watched the reflanders delivery the same hit that one of the capitals players got a 3 game suspension for but the reflanders end up two seconds later on a power play
Scary
Brian in NY says:
May 3, 2016 at 8:17 pm
Whaaa Whaaa Whaaa. Go Islanders!
what do they have to do with anything, the refs are doing enough. i dont think they even need to be out there. just ask the panthers
would love to see a tampa player just take there stick and hack some faggy reflander player right in the throat and just watch a gusher of blood then turn to the ref and say now that is a penalty
bri,
and i am not even that big of a hockey fan. i still cant figure out how you play a season for 7 months then have 4 months of playoffs. but i would at least like to see something called fair and not just going after what gets the best tv ratings.
It’s been pretty even as far as calls in this series, as well as the Florida one. Poor calls on both sides IMO.
bri,
cause you are a reflander fan, i am just watch hockey cause nothing else is on. it isnt even. just like the capitals/panthers series isnt. the refs are taking care of the ‘ratings’ teams
Markeyh, Trump does look funny with that mop or whatever…lol But I’m looking past how a candidate looks anyways.
bri,
ok a tampa/washington finals gets the nhl 22 people in tampa 35 in washington watching it, the reflanders/penguins gets them the whole north east, but i am sure they didnt make sure the refs knew that first
Chevy Cruz no more
getterdone says:
May 3, 2016 at 8:43 pm
Markeyh, Trump does look funny with that mop or whatever…
going based on looks….well, hell. helmet hair has a worse mop then trump. and talk about scary looking, that is one scary looking shemale
Brian, so you know something about Lucas. I think he’ll compete with McCain and Thomas for nickel and dime roles. What say you?
just so getter will get a good nights sleep
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ted-cruz-drops-out-of-the-republican-presidential-race/ar-BBsCfUS
Goon bird dropped out of the race, shocking! LOL
and in the on no dont say it news
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/don-shula-hospitalized-due-to-fluid-retention-and-sleep-apnea/ar-BBsCcR1?li=BBnb7Kz
Get well coach Shula.
X2
FYI Rob & Tim,
Cruz didn’t quit seeking the nomination…he’s merely “suspending” his campaign for now.
Him & his establishment handlers will huddle & figure our how they’ll broker the convention or some other shenanigans, maybe even a guy like Paul Ryan & Romney who are still waiting to parachute into the convention and miraculously get the majority of delegates on the floor votes etc.
This crap is far from over for Trump!
Not a fan of Trump but I do like that he not only upset the apple cart, but he destroyed it. He’s a good wake up call for all typical pols in the future.
I’m a conservative independent, leaning libertarian on a lot of things….lol
I couldn’t stand either Dems or old RINO GOP’s….so Trump seems to be neither….and it’s upsetting them that he’s his own man & they can’t control it….lol
The self destructive way of obstruction has come home to roost in the Republican party
Heat Win!!!!
🐖🔥🐖🔥🐖
So did Trump! LOL
I read the comp picks rules D, and no one else besides you is saying we’re getting 2 3s 2 4s and a 7th (I believe that’s what you were saying, if not it’s close). We’ll see next yr.
Our management is expecting a 3rd, 4th and 7th in comp picks in 2017. If they’re right, they nailed it. LOL
So despite our dastardly trades, they’re banking on having their traditional 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7, and a 3rd, 4th and 7th to replace our wasteful spending in the 2016 draft via comp picks. If they are wrong, they have egg on their face.
That said, can we focus on the 2016 team and hope for the best, geez!!! 🙂
Except we traded our 4th rd comp pick, if we get one.
The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four.
We traded a 2017 3rd and 4th rd pick for Carroo, whether our own or the comp refills. Nobody really knows which ones yet. If we don’t get those comp picks, it will be our normal 3-4 leaving us with 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7. However we will be getting comp picks to some degree in 2017.
Tim, the 4th we gave up is conditional, if we get a 4th rd comp pick Minn. gets that, if not they get our regular 4th. We do know that.
markeyh, the Republican Party is a mess. They need a shake up and a kick in the ass. Really, fiscal conservatism only comes with a group of holy rollers with some fucked up vision of America? Nah… not feeling it.
Oh right, Hillary is the glorious option. Not! She’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. She’s a liar and a hypocrite and a big time elitist. A real rug muncher. LOL
Hey America, Trump/Hillary it is. You wanted the best you got the best… 🙂
I don’t thing you should stop there, just say both parties need a kick in the ass. People that vote democrat are looking for something for nothing, and no matter who you vote for on the republican side, sans Trump, you’re just lining the pockets of those that have. The difference is the rich republicans at least provide jobs, while the poor dems provide debt.
I thought I did that. I’m a moderate republican, a velociraptor if you will. I’m extinct.
Steve, yes!
We have our normal draft 1-7 in 2017. Then the projected 3, 4 and 7 via comp picks.
We traded a 2017 3 and 4 to get back into the 3rd in 2016 to select Carroo….
Some food for thought, Jets GM Mike Maccagnan said most teams have 12-15 1st rd grades every year. So it tells you the mocksters are just throwing shit at the window. LOL
I agree they’re throwing shit at the window, but a lot of that shit actually comes from someone from one of the teams (smokescreens).
Somebody has to go 16-32, but they have 2nd rd grades. That’s why you see trades.
Tim, here’s the trade:
• Traded their sixth-round No. 186 overall pick, a 2017 third-round pick and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2017 to the Vikings for their third-round No. 86 overall pick (drafted Leonte Carroo).
The condition is if we get a 4th comp pick that’s the pick we traded.
The conditional is whether the comp picks happen or not. We traded the comp picks. If that fails we give up our traditional 3-4. That’s how I read it.
The 4th only is conditional, from ESPN. I also read the 3rd was too, but I can’t confirm that.
Tim, what I find funny are the people that say after the draft, see I told you this guy wasn’t a first round talent (talking about someone drafted in the 2nd round). You get a run on CBs and a 2nd round talent gets bumped up, so someone has to get pushed back. In another scenario maybe the guy is picked in the first, but the rd talent is just that, it’s not indicative of where he’s taken.
Will Davis was a 7th rd talent, but Ireland took him in what the 3rd?
I get what you’re saying. It’s a commodity business. It’s a market business. Win or lose.
Something I just thought of with Grant, if he’s returning kicks I don’t think too many opponents are going to get too cute with kickoffs in the corner and not in the end zone, like many speculated we’d see a lot of around the league.
Yes, they are since the kick backs that result in touchbacks to the 25 yard line.
hang time and positional placement of kickoffs are making kickers more valuable. Let’s not forget the yard distance increase for extra points. Welcome to the new NFL …
The point was, because of the new bring it out to the 25 rule , it alluded that kickers will be trying to kickoff high and to the box between the 5 and endzone. So I was insinuating they’d fear Grant and not let him return it.
I am opposed to ending the use of kickoffs.
I am in favor of the P, K, & LS not counting in the 53, as long as they never play another position.
That would give every team one backup for each OL, one more RB or TE or WR per choice or scheme need, and one more LB or Safety to play STs. Or a dedicated KR. Having to use a non Center to snap abuses the integrity and viewing pleasure of the game. It cost us a game last year.
Just grading the players, not the GM/FO:
Tunsil A
Howard B
Drake B+
Caroo B+
Grant B-
Doughty B-
Lucas B-
Duarte B
Seems like you’re grading by players regardless of round drafted.
Just heard HOMER SIMPSON is a republican…
Chris Bosh has gone to players union to force the heat to allow him to play. He has pursued doctors other than teams doctors who say he wouldn’t jeopardize his health.He flies on CEO’s private jet to games. This can end very badly.
Morning FU’ers. Well, what a boat-load of comments I had to read through to find out what went on. I’ve been travelling in Korea and China so missed most of the fun.
Seems that most people are lukewarm to fully on board with the picks but some dissent about how we acquired them. I read somewhere that a team traded down after we picked CB XH if that makes anyone feel better (Bears?) but anyway it is what it is.
Also, if Caroooooooo is A “Q” B-lite and we got him a year early, I’ll have some of that too.
I know none of these picks and none of the other draft options, so I am at least as qualified as everyone else to express an opinion since all yours have been wrong! LOL 😉
This team has tried doing it “the conventional way” and been a long way from the play-offs and a winning record for too long.
This off season we did it a bit differently. We identified the biggest weakness on the team (a failure to score points) and did something about it. We had a 1st round gem fall into our laps (by all accounts) so we may keep Tanny on his feet more this season. Then we drafted a bunch of players who can either fight for the ball on short routes (since Tanny can’t complete a pass >10yds) or create mismatches. We also started to do something about the second biggest weakness of the team – physicality on D – two press-man corners, Alonso at LB and some DE options.
The plan is clear to see and this is the first step of the install. Gase wants to create a multi-dimensional unpredictable O and seems to be qualified to do this. He also wants to build an aggressive D. We are retooling without rebuilding – in fact we are building on the good aspects of the team.
None of us know if Gase will achieve what he set out to do until January and if what he set out to do will even be a success.
I took the bait last season and fell for the hope after the Panthers practice. I won’t make the same mistake this year. But I can say that I am more stoked after this draft than the last. Bottom line though, is still “show me” Dolphins. Walk the walk, forget the talk.
Go Fins
We are all Britains, and I am your King.
We may have gotten a bargain with Carroo pick since former pro bowler braylon edwards was gotton for a 3rd and 5th but the Jets got him for only draft picks for only 1/2 season.
Hey UK – Excellent post my “travelin’ man” friend! As much as many of us expected more defense in the draft, they chose to address most of that in the free agency period, although signing Super Mario won’t count against our future compensatory picks, which is good, because the FO is obviously counting heavily on those.
UK, take what Mike says into perspective, everything he says these days has an agenda or backhanded diss in it 😉
That hand getting more action again huh?
Sounds like the FO traded some of those picks Mike E 😉 , but I have a feeling Carooooo may be worth a 3, cond. 4 and a 6 I think it was? Worst case he’s NGA (no good anyway). In which case he’s a CaNGAroooooo and we can trade him to Lee’s Aussie rules Crows for a kicker?!?
What’s up UK, what’s going on in China and Korea?
All good Tim – went to a Fair in China so took the opportunity of doing some training of our distributors and seeing some customers whilst out there. Good trip but even better to be home! Hope all good with you too.
Cool, what business are you in?
Steve
Stop being such a fall in line mindless fan. That’s not good either. 🙂
Mike we know your stance, you don’t have to repeat it over and over and over and over. I didn’t say I liked the trades, I said I understand what their thought process was, and will see what happens. I was batching too when I saw they were trading up, but at some point you have to get over it and move on.
UK
We all certainly hope that Carrooooooooo was worth the trade. Also possible if we didn’t trade up for XH, we might not have needed to trade next years picks away, but what’s done is done. I’m going to enjoy watching Carroo play here, I think we all are.
If Carrooooooooo is ready to go from the get go, we have a lot of weapons.
He should be more ready than __________ was last year at that point. Use your imagination. lol
So this is the suspect in the Tunsil saga.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/15455498/miami-dolphins-laremy-tunsil-camp-investigating-social-media-access-surrounding-bong-video-alleged-ole-miss-text-messages
Shocker — the professional guy that signed Tunsil on against NCAA rules was on the shady side. Sorta like the guys who approach you in the parking lot with a deal cause the high-end stereo equipment that was ordered got double delivered.
LOL @ your analogy
LOL @ jetssucks already comparing Carroo to Braylon Edwards.
I don’t get the comparison.
I don’t either, that’s why I’m LOLing.
Free agent G/C Matt Slauson will visit the Chargers and Bills.
Slauson is visiting the Chargers on Wednesday, and will then make the trip to Buffalo. He was drafted by coach Rex Ryan with the Jets in 2009. Buffalo reportedly envisions him as a right tackle. Slauson was Pro Football Focus’ No. 18 guard last season, excelling in pass protection. He has position-versatility, being able to play either guard spot or center.
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He graded well as LG in Chicago last year. I wonder the thoughts by Gase? We may feel we have enough competition @ OG….
UKfinfan, good to see you fly in to the blog for a bit mate….glad to see all is well, you jet setter you. 🙂
GDP — you cool with either the Buffalo or Pitt game for the Fest (Pig narrowed to those two and put a new the poll up).
I’m not real sure yet…was hoping Browns since buddies up this way are Browns fans….guess I need to make new buddies…lol
Things have been real tight financially too, but hoping to rebound by that time. 🙂
Really enjoyed you all lst time…WOW, what a Win over the Texans, whom we never beat before!
Problem was the Browns was home opener…check out the tix prices and you will see why. And is it is we can only come to one date, and us drive guys should hopefully give a bit to the fly guys if you get what I mean.
Get the tight part, but we’ll set up with some good priced tix……least the best we can.
This is how Gase will hold rookie camp.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2016/05/miami-dolphins-unveiling-a-radical-idea-for-rookie-minicamp.html
steveccnv says:
May 3, 2016 at 11:34 pm
Except we traded our 4th rd comp pick, if we get one.
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We traded our 4th round pick…not a comp pick. Comp picks cant be traded until you have them.
There are reports out there that the picks are conditional, if we get the comp picks, it’s those for the trade, if not, it’s our own.
We traded the lowest pick in the 4th RD, so if we do get our comp pick, it will be that one.
Was the trade structured that way? lowest in the round, if on condition we get a comp pick in the 3rd/4th?
Don’t forget to vote on the fest poll above if you are serious about attending the fest
Jetsuck wasn’t comparing Braylon Edwards to Caroo as players. He was comparing the compensation and worth, saying that we got a better deal if Caroo lasts for longer than half a season.
We knew what he was comparing, but it’s not the same situation, and that was quite a while ago, so just an odd comparison.
Ahh, thanks for being the one who makes sense of it all around here. 🙂
I was thanking SB7
Tim
UK is in importing/exporting. You may have heard of his partner, Art Vandelay
Funny I was thinking about going there but wasn’t sure if he watches Seinfeld. So is it diapers and chips, or really long matches? LOL
I did look up the rules on the comp picks again Steve and you were correct about the limitation to 4, but i hold our picks will be 4 in round 3-5, and i think it will be more 3 and 3 4’s since they all are around the same YPA amount. As you said we will see, no one knows for sure what the formula is except the NFL but from everything i have read on it, thats what i think we will get. The 3rd is almost a guarantee, Miller might also be a 3, but i think that depends on how many other FA’s left their teams for other teams and what those YPA contracts were. In the grand scheme of things his 6.5 per might not be as significant.
Braylon Edwards was the 3rd pick in the draft. Still not getting the comparison with Carroo.
Yeah that part is stretching it for me as well as a comparison….
Stanger, ok, yeah the Browns game doesn’t sound ideal, I get that.
Will try my ass off to make whatever one you guys decide then. Thanks for the kind words.
Saints LT Terron Armstead’s five-year extension is worth $64.5 million and contains $38 million guaranteed.
His new $12.9 million annual average is now third among left tackles, behind Trent Williams and Cordy Glenn, who also inked a new five-year pact on Tuesday. Glenn’s deal was a tick larger at $65 million overall.
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If Tunsil works out, we’ll be paying north of these figures in 4-5yrs…lol
So I guess Albert @ an avg of $9M the rest of the way isn’t too costly for now, unless he keeps getting hurt, at which point he’ll lose any trade value too.
If Tunsil is as advertised we will be paying somewhere in the 16mil to 17mil per range, possibly higher.
Jimmy Wilson now cut twice in less than a 6 month time-frame.
Chiefs just cut him.
But Jimmy Makes Plays dammit!! Where’s Omar? He’ll tell them.
Cards cut Kevin White, wasnt he a CB you guys liked from last years draft? Maybe 2 years back?
I should teach a reading comprehension course for the interwebs.
Browns refused Mingo’s 5th year, if cut id take a shot on him.
BTW D,
I like jitter bug.
lol, thanks man. He’s a exciting little player, dont know how well he will work out but he is going to be fun to watch.
That makes him sound finest, like a candy ass.
Finese
The #1 deciding factor on what round the comp pick is in will be the salary received by the player lost. That salary holds the most weight in the round of the comp pick; by far. Then there’s playing time and post season honors such as pro bowl which hold much less weight.
As of right now, the salary would put us with a 3rd for OV, a 4th for Miller and a 7th for Matthews. At the end of the season the salary of the players lost is compared to that of the salaries of all players on each team’s final 53 man roster to determine the round. Again, salary puts the comp pick in the round. That’s the starting point.
The “rules” for awarding comp picks has changed. In the past they compared players lost to players gained but that’s not it works anymore. The 3 components are now salary, playing time and post season honors. I believe they changed it when they decided comp picks can now be traded.
That’s not correct, you have to compare players lost to players gained, or else every team could get multiple picks and they only allow a total of 32. Also if they did that it would defeat the purpose of comp picks. Compensation for guys lost in FA. Who writes this shit.
Remember the good old days when Omar wore this T shirt to camp?:
Grant is 5 nuthin. 100 and nuthin. He’s got no choice but to be finesse. How about Danger Mouse?
they said he was one of the toughest players on the team.
So Danger Mouse it is?
Tasmanian Devil
TD Grant, get it 😉
perfect
15 reps @ 225. Not bad for his size. Had some guys doing 4