A “D” Miami Dolphins Draft Evaluation

by D

Let me begin by saying that draft strategies are as varied as women’s underpants, and likewise, some are more appealing to others, especially given the variety of women that wear them. I have my particular views of what is a strong draft strategy but I do not, in the least, feel it is the one the Dolphins use, nor is it better than another. I do say this, however, to point out that my evaluation is based on how I think they did, and is partially based upon my own beliefs.

Let me describe then, my belief in drafting. I am not a pure BPA person; I also am not a vertical big board person. I like to combine a few aspects of BPA, horizontal big board and player specific targeting approaches. I feel it is a good strategy for getting guys you want, and yet having the flexibility for not over drafting and with preferences towards accumulating picks over sacrificing them unnecessarily.

Now that you have an understanding of my philosophy, let me begin the draft breakdown.

Round 1, pick 13:  Mississippi OT Laremy Tunsil  6’5″  310

NCAA FOOTBALL: OCT 31 Ole Miss at Auburn

Tunsil was my highest rate player and only one really close was Ramsey. Any other draft where QB wasn’t of such desperation would have landed him as the No. 1 overall selection.  The pick to me, was BPA, it was a target player (if you lived in the land of make-believe where you really thought this was possible), it was a need position, and it was a gift from the football gods. I can’t see how this is anything other than A+, unless you are a worrier, then you might bump it down to A. Final assessment A+.

Round 2, pick 38:  Baylor CB  Xavien Howard  6’0″  201

Howard

First let me set things straight, I like the guy we picked. There had been a few CB taken early so there was some sense of urgency in making this selection, though I do not agree that the urgency required a trade up. I can’t really argue if the guy would have been selected between the 4 picks we moved up to get him, because no one really knows, but I feel certain it would have been unlikely we would have been jumped by another team to take him. I also feel pretty certain that players like TJ Green, and Sean Davis offered equally rate CB prospects, same scheme fit, and Green in particular has better measurable like 40 time. I had them all pretty equally graded. Due to this I give the player selection a B+, but what we gave up to get him makes the pick a B- overall.

Round 3, pick 73:  Alabama RB  Kenyan Drake  6’1″  210

Kenyan Drake

Kenyan Drake is a beast. I know people think he is a scat back, or a 3rd down guy, but he is going to be a LOT more. He’s pretty comparable to Lamar Miller, but is a better receiver, statements about he cant run between the tackles is not accurate, he wasn’t use that way at Alabama but that’s because Alabama always had Henry and before that, Lacy. Drake was used as a change of pace guy there, but I don’t see that same thing for him in Gase’s system, which is a lot different from Saban’s. I think this is a perfect fit for us, and it was great talent at the right round. I think this is an A+ selection.

Round 3, pick 86:  Rutgers WR  Leonte Carroo   6’0″ 211

NFL: Cleveland Browns at Baltimore Ravens

Ah, another trade up. So as I mentioned, not a big fan of giving up picks to get a play, unless it’s really justified. Player we picked is a great selection, so let’s analyze the trade. We gave up a 6th round pick, but more importantly a 3rd and a 4th rounder in 2017 to move up and take Caroo. I had Pharaoh Cooper ranked higher than Caroo, and to be honest with the way they play, there is a really strong comparison to one another. I also had Demarcus Robinson rated pretty close, though I do think Caroo gets the edge as far as play demeanor. Robinson can half ass plays sometimes, and doesn’t play aggressive. His physical skills are better but Caroo is probably the better fit. I give the pick a B+, but with what we gave up in the trade, im dropping the pick to a C+ grade.

Round 6 pick 186:  Texas Tech WR/RB  Jakeem Grant

Jakeem

Ok so I’m stuck between the nickname jitter bug and tater tot, for Grant, maybe jitter tot? At first glance you look at it and go, WTF 5’6 really but then you turn on the highlights and interviews and you go, wow this kid has spunk, he’s a baller. Quietly I have found myself loving this pick and the player. We did trade up once again to get this pick after previously trading back with NE. We swapped 6ths 196 for 186 and gave up an early 7th to move up to get him. Its hard to bag on late round trades as you are obviously maneuvering around to get a guy who probably adds special teams ability, and maybe if you are lucky becomes a backup/role player. In this guy we got a potential ST ace in the return game and a weapon on offense. Trading up to get a 1st year contributor, is an A+ move. Given the potential of this pick I see it as an A+ grade.

Round 6 pick 204:  Penn State S/CB  Jordan Lucas  6’0″ 201

jordanlucas

I had to go back and watch some film on Lucas to be honest, since I didn’t remember being wow’d by him early on. He is aggressive as hell; he looks to lay a hit on people when they catch it. His zone skills are pretty solid, and I didn’t see him in press much, so kind of hard to say. Guys who play like that however usually are going to be solid press guys though. He played both S and CB, and I think for us he could wind up in either spot. He doesn’t really have elite ball-skills, but he fights through receptions, stripping a lot out and he puts hits on guys that jar’s the ball out.  I give this pick a B+, because I like the upside and I think it’s a regime pick and fits our scheme solidly no matter which position he winds up at.

Round 7 pick 223:  Western Kentucky QB  Brandon Doughty  6’3″ 213

Doughty

Is this a pick to threaten Tannehill? No not really. Should Tanny feel pressure to improve because of this pick, I think a little. I like the pick because he does represent someone who has shown in CUSA to be a standout player. He seems to have limitations however, that I don’t think you can think of him as a potential franchise guy, but I also wouldn’t count him out of the possibility. I think this selection signifies an approach by our team to always be looking to add talent at any position, even if its one that’s seemingly secure. I think as a 7th round selection the pick was a very solid one, accomplishing 2 things, an current upgrade to the backup QB spot, and an outside chance to develop a guy who eventually starts, either for us or traded to another team. Grade B.

Round 7 pick 231:  UCLA TE  Thomas Duarte  6’2″ 231

Memphis v UCLA

The pick of Duarte is a somewhat rarity in the 7th round. 7th rounders aren’t supposed to be guy who contribute right away, they are at best special-teamers that you kinda hope after a few years can be counted on as a backup, or small contributor. Most 7th rounders have little chance to make it on the team long term. Durate though I think is a guy we see make a contribution first year. It may not be gaudy numbers, but I think he comes in and gets exposure right off. I think there are things they can do with him on the field and packages they can unlock with him they couldn’t without him.  I think he and Jitter Tot, are kind of in the same boat, sub package players, ST contributors and mismatch guys in different packages. I give this pick a A+ as well.

I think our draft was a really nice one, I don’t think it was as good as some of the other teams, but it was certainly better than most I think. Overall I give our draft a grade of B+, we filled a lot of holes, we got some talented players, and the only real complaint I have is the trades, which at times didn’t follow good draft strategy to me. The players we got were good talented guys I hope to see on the field next year, if this happen of course then the trades were great moves, so I hope to come back around at some point re-evaluating this draft and giving it a higher score.

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  1. D says:

    Datone Jones also didnt get 5th year picked up on him.

  2. D says:

    Dont know if this was discussed yesterday but we made some other roster cuts.
    5/2 Christion Jones WR cut
    5/2 Jahwan Edwards RB cut
    5/2 Damontre Moore DE cut

    Jones was only one im a little surprised by but with KR duties likely to be handled by JB or KD, probably didnt need a guy who doesn’t really fit otherwise.

  3. D says:

    Vikes did not pick up 5th year on Patterson.

  4. D says:

    Saints cut Vinnie Sunseri, he’s a safety prospect i liked a couple years back but i dont think he has ever regained form from his injuries in college. Sucks, because he was a pretty solid player.

  5. D says:

    Jets declined 5th year on Dee Millner.

  6. D says:

    Steelers didnt pick up 5th year on Jarvis Jones. Wonder if he would be better hand on the ground speed rusher. in a 4-3. He is built a lot like Wake and in college he was a very disruptive force. Steelers cut him id also be interested in taking a shot on him.

  7. D says:

    Tennessee declined 5th year on Chance Warmack….. that one is a little crazy, Warmack from what i heard was really doing pretty well there. Maybe things changed last year but i know first few years he was one of the shining points of their OL.

  8. sb7mvp says:

    D break

  9. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ Danger Mouse. How about Mighty Mouse being that it’s known?

  10. D says:

    Kamal and Anthony Johnson, former Miami guys were cut by the redskins. Feel bad for Freak Johnson, i think he is a pretty good player, just isnt catching on to the right place.

  11. sb7mvp says:

    I think they call Steve Smith might mouse. I like Danger Mouse better.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I like it too.

      • sb7mvp says:

        Too bad his last name isn’t Webster.

      • steveccnv says:

        That’s a great picture. I saw that play in his highlight reel, and it defines what he can do. Looks like the defender should have him dead to rights, but he’s off balance, and I’d expect him to grasp air next.

  12. Tim Knight says:

    I really hope Grant can make it it at the next level. He’ll be a fun player to watch.

  13. steveccnv says:

    How about FleaGrant.

  14. jetsssuck says:

    1971–Vern Den Herder was taken in round 9 of this draft.
    1972–Charlie Baab taken in the 5th round
    1973–Don Strock in round 5 and Ed Newman in round 6. Ed Newman who played guard for 12 seasons and four pro-bowls.
    1974–Nat Moore In round three the Miami Dolphins selected wide-receiver Nat Moore.
    1975-
    1975

    In the 6th round the Miami Dolphins selected linebacker Steve Towle. Towle would play six seasons for Miami, the only team he would play for in his career. While Towle played well he is the best of this class because wide-receiver Freddie Solomon who drafted in round two spent three seasons in Miami before being traded to San Francisco. Solomon would go on to have a great career with the 49’ers that would last another eight seasons. Solomon would get a Super Bowl ring as part of the 49’ers team win over the Dolphins in 1984.

    1976 In round three the Dolphins drafted wide-receiver Duriel Harris who played seven seasons in Miami before moving on to play for a few other clubs. In 1985 he returned to Miami where he played his final NFL season.

    1978

    The ’78 draft produced more than just a few key players to the Dolphins future. Number one on the list by an extremely small margin is DT Doug Betters. Betters was drafted in the 6th round and spent 10 seasons with the Dolphins. Slightly behind Betters is tight-end Bruce Hardy who spent 12 seasons with the Dolphins. Behind Hardy is receiver Jimmy Cefalo who spent seven seasons with the Dolphins

    1979–Tony Nathan (3rd) really stands out as one of the best players in Dolphins history and is a member of the Dolphins 50th Anniversary team.Lineman Ronnie Lee (3rd) spent 10 of his 14 NFL seasons with the Dolphins.

    1982– Paul Lankford in 3, LB Charles Bowser in round 4

    1985 The Dolphins drafted center Jeff Dellenbach in round four. Dellenbach played 10 seasons of his long NFL career

    1987 -The best pick of this class came in round 4 when they drafted running back Troy Strafdford.

    1988-Ferrell Edmunds in round three

    1989-Round 5 found Jeff Uhlenhake

    1990-Quarterback Scott Mitchell was taken in round 4.

    1991–the Dolphins got an extremely intense and fiery linebacker in round 5. Bryan Cox remains one of the best linebackers in Dolphins history and one of the most entertaining

    1992–Dwight Hollier would play well for the Dolphins as well. He was drafted in round 4.

    1993-Terry Kirby never became the running back Miami envisioned when they took him in round three

    1996–the best of this class was by far 5th round linebacker Zach Thomas

    1997-Jason Taylor. Johnson hit on Taylor in the 3rd round and Taylor became one of the Dolphins best players in history.

    2002 Miami drafted Seth McKinney in round three of this years draft .Randy McMichael stands out as the best of this draft class taken in round 4.

    2003-late round six you will find safety Yeremiah Bell.

    2005-Channing Crowder in round three.

    2009–Brian Hartline was drafted in round 4

    2010–5th round pick Reshad Jones.

    Seems like we got a great player in carroo….great value compared to what we got with former draft picks.

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s something I mentioned, what have we ever done with 3rd 4th Rd picks, that made them so valuable?

      • jetsssuck says:

        Steve—we got lots of starters and maybe 1 or 2 Hall of Famers. This kid Carroo has to be very special to give up a 3rd and 4th rounder.

  15. sb7mvp says:

    I think Neville Hewitt is the firm that did my taxes.

  16. wyoming85 says:

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 58m58 minutes ago
    Well look at that — #Dolphins odds to win Super Bowl (per Bovada) have improved to 50-1. It was previously 66-1. Oddsmakers like the draft

  17. wyoming85 says:

    At least we didn’t make this list!

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 35m35 minutes ago
    Longest odds to win Super Bowl (a la Leicester City) per @BovadaLV:

    Titans 100/1
    49ers 100/1
    Browns 100/1
    Bucs 75/1
    Chargers 66/1

    • getterdone says:

      Hmmm,
      Chargers with Rivers
      Titans with Mariota
      Bucs with Winston

      9’ers & Browns, fuggettabout it…lol

      Go Phins!

  18. wyoming85 says:

    MiamiDolphinsTopNews ‏@MiamiDolphinsTp 4m4 minutes ago
    Dolphins rookie WR Jakeem Grant 2015 video highlights http://gettopical.com/miami-dolphins/89f63140838cd43f8d8e58c6f4a253f9?src=twitter … via @AbramsonPBP

  19. Mike E. says:

    D

    Sorry so long to get back to you. I saw that specific wording somewhere, but I have no idea where, it was the day after the draft. In other words, if we get the comp 4, that will be the pick, or if we trade and pick up a 4th, it would be whichever pick was lowest in the round.

  20. D says:

    Draft has moved us from 66 to 1 odds of making the Superbowl to 50 to 1….draft looked ok to vegas lol.

  21. Mike E. says:

    Wyo

    Dolphins at 65.9/1 ?

  22. getterdone says:

    Dolphins first-round OT Laremy Tunsil’s attorneys are investigating Tunsil’s ex-business manager/financial adviser for leaking the draft-day bong video.
    The ex-adviser is believed to have potentially accessed Tunsil’s Twitter and Instagram accounts off Tunsil’s old phone after the adviser bought Tunsil a new one within the past six months. Tunsil hired this man back in October, but later let him go after learning he wasn’t registered with the NFLPA. The adviser could face up to 10 years in prison, along with more than $7 million in liability.
    ________________________
    The scorn of a jilted lover could cost this dumbass bigtime!…SMH

  23. getterdone says:

    WOW, Mike, D, & steve still talking traded picks, value, & comp picks 🙂

  24. jetsssuck says:

    You guys are delusional concerning the compensatory draft picks. There are many variables that can’t be calculated. Maybe the new math now a days can predict if a player is top 5percent.I know statistics can predict outcomes, but really lets be reasonable.
    http://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/

  25. Mike E. says:

    Delusional isn’t the worst thing I’ve been called . . .

  26. getterdone says:

    That’s alright Mike, I’m still talking Trump & stuff….

  27. jetsssuck says:

    we are lucky to get a 3rd if OV is in 95 percentile of players and he could be as low as 6th. Lamar Thomas could be a high 4th or low 6th if he is 95% to 100 percent of best of all RB. Come on guys read the rules.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’ll just go by what the team is expecting, I’m pretty sure they have people in their dept. who worked the formula. The Jets GM said they’re banking on the same thing which is why they made a future draft day trade.

      • jetsssuck says:

        maybe I’m reading it wrong but it is available to read as I posted the link. It’s not hard reading and I know you are more than capable. I know you are one who likes to be on top of things and one of the more informed.

    • steveccnv says:

      You’re killing me!

    • Mike E. says:

      I really liked Lamar Thomas, I remember him killing it once for us on MNF. I also sometimes think of Lamar Thomas when I’m thinking of Lamar Miller.

  28. Mike E. says:

    While Matt Harvey is struggling to find himself, Steven Matz is just cruising along so far.

  29. jetsssuck says:

    Cincinnati Bengals
    Qualifying UFAs Lost: 6 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 0
    Name Rd. Real APY Name Rd. Real APY
    Marvin Jones 4 $8,000,000
    Mohamed Sanu 4 $6,500,000
    Reggie Nelson 6 $4,000,000
    Andre Smith 6 $3,218,750
    Emmanuel Lamur 7 $2,700,000
    Wallace Gilberry 7 $1,225,000
    Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained
    Taylor Mays 7 $840,000

    Miami Dolphins
    Qualifying UFAs Lost: 4 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2
    Name Rd. Real APY Name Rd. Real APY
    Olivier Vernon 3 $16,750,000
    Lamar Miller 4 $6,500,000
    Rishard Matthews 6 $5,000,000 Isa Abdul-Quddus 6 $4,250,000
    Derrick Shelby 6 $4,450,000 Andre Branch 7 $2,703,125
    Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained
    Kelvin Sheppard 7 $840,000 Sam Young 7 $910,000

  30. getterdone says:

    Tim is still into men in tights dancing aerobics…..

  31. D says:

    I guess its time for some early mock 53’s, this one below isnt mine, its Kevin Nogle’s but i thought would be a good jumping off spot for us to make adjustments or agreement/disagreement points.

    Quarterbacks (2)
    Ryan Tannehill (5th year)
    Matt Moore (9th year)

    Running backs (4)
    Jay Ajayi (2nd year)
    Kenyan Drake (Rookie – 3rd round)
    Damien Williams (5th year)
    Isaiah Pead (3rd year)

    Tight ends (3)
    Jordan Cameron (6th year)
    Dion Sims (4th year)
    Thomas Duarte (Rookie – 7th round)

    Wide receivers (6)
    Jarvis Landry (3rd year)
    DeVante Parker (2nd year)
    Kenny Stills (4th year)
    Matt Hazel (3rd year)
    Leonte Carroo (Rookie – 3rd round)
    Jakeem Grant (Rookie – 6th round)

    Offensive linemen (9)
    Branden Albert (9th year)
    Laremy Tunsil (Rookie – 1st round)
    Mike Pouncey (6th year)
    Billy Turner (3rd year)
    Ja’Wuan James (3rd year)
    Sam Young (6th year)
    Jermon Bushrod (9th year)
    Jamil Douglas (2nd year)
    Dallas Thomas (4th year)

    Defensive ends (5)
    Cameron Wake (8th year)
    Mario Williams (11th year)
    Terrence Fede (3rd year)
    Chris McCain (3rd year)
    Andre Branch (5th year)

    Defensive tackles (4)
    Ndamukong Suh (7th year)
    Earl Mitchell (7th year)
    Jordan Phillips (2nd year)
    Deandre Coleman (2nd year)

    Linebackers (7)
    Jelani Jenkins (4th year)
    Kiko Alonso (4th year)
    Koa Misi (7th year)
    Spencer Paysinger (6th year)
    Neville Hewitt (2nd year)
    Mike Hull (2nd year)
    Zach Vigil (2nd year)

    Cornerbacks (6)
    Byron Maxwell (6th year)
    Xavien Howard (Rookie – 2nd round)
    Bobby McCain (2nd year)
    Tony Lippett (2nd year)
    Jordan Lucas (Rookie – 6th round)
    Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB (2nd year)

    Safeties (4)
    Reshad Jones (7th year)
    Isa Abdul-Quddus (5th year)
    Michael Thomas (4th year)
    Walt Aikens (3rd year)

    Kicker (1)
    Andrew Franks (2nd year)

    Punter (1)
    Matt Darr (2nd year)

    Long snapper (1)
    John Denney (12th year)

    Practice Squad (10)
    Brandon Doughty, QB (Rookie – 7th round)
    Charles Tuaau, DT (2nd year)
    Shamiel Gary, S (2nd year)
    Ulrick John, OL (3rd year)
    Tyler Murphy, WR (2nd year)
    Rashawn Scott, WR (Rookie – UDFA)
    Lafayette Pitts, CB (Rookie – UDFA)
    Gabe Hughes, TE (Rookie – UDFA)
    James Burgess, LB (Rookie – UDFA)
    Akil Blount, LB (Rookie – UDFA)

  32. D says:

    Mikey, looks like the 3rd is our normal 3rd, but the 4th is our normal 4th unless we receive a conditional 4th, at which case its the lowest 4th we receive.

    • jetsssuck says:

      http://overthecap.com/draft/
      has some good info concerning salary for rookies and compensatory predictions if things pan out concerning players performance and season awards (pro bowls 1st and 2nd team) league and SB MVP’s and stat leaders etc,etc

      • steveccnv says:

        We go to a site(s) and read the comp picks explain plan, you go to a different one, but you think yours is the correct one and ours is garbage. I’ve been to several sites and they all basically say the same thing, none of which resembles what you’re saying.

  33. D says:

    Thats just it Jets, there are no “rule” that anyone knows for sure. “Compensatory free agents are determined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula.” So what we get is still fluid. Assuming both Vernon and Miller get playing time as starters, which is what they were drafted to be, they could easily factor in fully for that part, their salaries are straight forward as to how they factor in and then IF those guys light it up, and rceive post season honros, pro bowl invites, etc, then we could receive even higher value for them. I get you feel like being a pessimist on this and im probably optimistic, but there are at least 4 guys who we could see compensation for, as there are 4 guys who went to other teams to start, and they includes Shelby who currently projects as on of their starters.

    • D says:

      Also even the over the cap source you are using, is projecting Miller and as a 4th round compensation and Vernon as a 3rd.

      • jetsssuck says:

        that is one of the optimistic sites and that is only part of the formula that is projecting variables.

      • D says:

        Looking back over some things i probably am wrong with my predictions and they are likely a little over assuming. I dont think im wrong on the value we get for Miller and Vernon and believeing we WILL get compensation for them. The Shelby/Matthews compensation may not happen, really depends on how the year goes for us and our guys and those guys. If Shelby starts all year as expected and Branch just rotates as you guys are suggesting there is still quite a chance we get something for him. Matthews may not be compensated as it does look like Quddus will qualify as a cancellation to him, and Quddus projects as our starter currently. Again, id say this is all still very fluid, people get hurt, people wind up getting outperformed in camp, etc, so its no lock that any of these guys outside Miller and OV are guaranteed starters.

      • jetsssuck says:

        If either OV or LM get hurt during the season and they are not top 95 %-100% for OV and 90%-95% of position for LM then we are F#cked. We could end up with 5th and 7th.

    • jetsssuck says:

      I always look on the bright side of everything to my fault some say but this is what different websites are explaining that OV and LM may not give us 2-3rds as many on here are saying.We are only eligible for 2 so far. From what I see their is only 32 total compensatory awarded. Many are saying we are likely only to be compensated for OV and LM as low a 5th and 7th and not one projected us getting 2 3rd rounders. A lot of variables determining picks awarded.

      • jetsssuck says:

        When free agency begins along with the new league year, free agent signings that qualify for the compensatory pick formula will be denoted as such, and as free agency proceeds you will be able to get real time updates and a broad idea on which teams could earn which compensatory picks for the next draft. It will be broad because happenings during the rest of the league year (such as training camp and in-season cuts, injuries, amount of playing time, and postseason honors) could alter the picks.
        http://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/

  34. sb7mvp says:

    I think Whalen Jennings stays and Sister Hazel goes.

  35. getterdone says:

    Baylor DE Shawn Oakman has drawn zero interest as an undrafted free agent.
    Baylor coach Art Briles said no teams have called him regarding Oakman. The 6-foot-8, 269-pound All-American was arrested last month on sexual assault charges, and it was later revealed he also roughed up his ex-girlfriend back in 2013. Oakman won’t be with a team until the legal matters are resolved, and even then, Oakman may have a tough time finding work. Before the 2015 season, he was being viewed as a shoo-in first-round pick.
    ________________________________
    Pathetic way to start your working adult life. Hope he finds himself.

    • D says:

      Dont see how anyone ever considered him a 1st rounder. His film study should have eliminated him from 1st round discussion REALLY fast.

      • getterdone says:

        His size and the way he was over powering lesser competition at times in 2014 put him on the map…but yes after further study & then the troubles, no one wants him.
        WWE is his next calling.

  36. D says:

    Quarterbacks (?)
    Ryan Tannehill (5th year)
    ?????
    ?????
    ———————————–
    Ryan of course is a lock, but with the contract they signed for Moore, i dont think Moore is a lock to make the team. I think if he has a PS like last year and Doughty does well, Moore is gone. I dont think they are going to try to stash Doughty, so my feeling is its either Tanny and Doughty, or all 3 on the roster. This one is still pretty up in the air. Logan Thomas is a PS stash if anyone.

    • steveccnv says:

      Moore’s cap hit is less than his dead money, that pretty much says he’s a lock. The only thing stopping him from making the team is Doughty having a Russell Wilson preseason.

  37. stangerx says:

    Well if you guys are going skeleton.

  38. getterdone says:

    It’s all fun and games until one of them takes a dump in the pool!

  39. Tim Knight says:

    Oakman looks like a beast but he doesn’t move well, he’s not a very good player and apparently he’s a POS. So not surprised no team has signed him.

  40. D says:

    Running backs (4)
    Jay Ajayi (2nd year)
    Kenyan Drake (Rookie – 3rd round)
    Isaiah Pead (3rd year)
    ?????
    ——————————————
    I feel like 4 is a likely number, though i wouldnt be surprised if we only took 3. I dont think we keep Williams, i think we may pick up a guy after cuts start but i dont feel Williams offers enough versatility to stay. He is a good receiving back but with Drake and GrANTman or whatever we are going to call him, the need to have Williams is low. I think we either pick up another rounded back or grinder from cuts, also keep DT3, or just roll with 3 backs.

  41. D says:

    steveccnv says:
    May 4, 2016 at 3:32 pm
    Moore’s cap hit is less than his dead money, that pretty much says he’s a lock. The only thing stopping him from making the team is Doughty having a Russell Wilson preseason.
    ————————————
    Not if he is a post June 1st cut.

  42. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, my HS was a big Grateful Dead school. Bootleg cassettes were huge and a lot of kids were able to record the shows because the Dead allowed it.

  43. D says:

    Tight ends (3)
    Jordan Cameron (6th year)
    Dion Sims (4th year)
    Thomas Duarte (Rookie – 7th round)
    ———————————-
    This group i see pretty much as he had it. Maybe small outside shot the kid from Florida Tech to make the team and us carry 4.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think Stoneburner may make it.

      • D says:

        If Gabe Hughes gameplay translates to the NFL he is better than Stoneburner and would be cheaper as well, though in the grand scheme of things 200k isnt that big of a deal.

  44. Mike E. says:

    Tim and his friends brought reel to reel machines to Dead concerts and recorded them. lol

      • jetsssuck says:

        we had one.It was so cool at the time.

      • Mike E. says:

        jetssuck – They were the best sound production you could get at the time, like a CD would be now.

      • jetsssuck says:

        I once got to go into a famous recording studio Critera recording studio in N.Miami Beach and I met a famous rock band called . Can’t think of their name right now. I’ll now be thinking for their name to occupy my lost mind for the next 1 hour or 2.

    • Tim Knight says:

      LOL, I wasn’t a Deadhead but what they would use looked more like this.

  45. D says:

    Wide receivers (6)
    Jarvis Landry (3rd year)
    DeVante Parker (2nd year)
    Kenny Stills (4th year)
    Matt Hazel (3rd year)
    Leonte Carroo (Rookie – 3rd round)
    Jakeem Grant (Rookie – 6th round)
    ————————————————-
    I like this group as is as well. I dont know why you guys are so negative about Hazel, he hasn’t had much opportunity to look bad or good. His limited chances came in PS last year and he has the best yards and receptions during PS than anyone. I dont think he’s a bad player at all and at 6’1 with speed, he checks off some boxes that the coaches seem to like.

  46. jetsssuck says:

    OK I took a dump and while I was doing my duty I thought we should do a article on the Compensatory draft pick formula so we could dissect like we did in college group study groups.Group think has always been good for me, in fact I once got lucky. We have some smart people who will be able interpret it based on what the group thinks instead of individual.

    • D says:

      I thought you were going to say while taking your dump you thought of Trump and the shitty state of America when either or almost certainly Hillary takes over. 🙂

  47. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    May 4, 2016 at 4:04 pm
    jetssuck – They were the best sound production you could get at the time, like a CD would be now.
    ——————————–
    CD’s….you really are Tech impaired, we are way past CD’s these days Mikey, in fact wont be long until CD’s are long gone. Technically for computers CD’s are already done, DVD’s are soon to be antiques as well. For music digital files are the new thing and pretty soon no one will use them for music any longer either.

  48. jetsssuck says:

    rock you like a hurricane—–my mind is getting better with age—the romantics…it only took me 5 minutes to think of them. Those GNC memory pills do work

    • steveccnv says:

      Here’s not bad as a blocker either. He doesn’t overpower anyone, but he’s always willing to block and put effort into it. For his size he’s a great blocker, for any size he’s not bad, because he moves his feet to square up.

  49. getterdone says:
  50. Mike E. says:

    D

    We’re past CD’s, but a CD gives you much cleaner sound reproduction than an MP3. The compressed file destroys the sound. For real.

    • Mike E. says:

      There is technology out there that can decompress the files, but they’re really expensive, probably as much as a standard CD player was in 1980. lol

  51. getterdone says:
  52. jetsssuck says:

    http://www.romanticsdetroit.com/bio/bio.html
    http://www.criteriastudios.com/
    It was pretty cool getting to go inside and met these guys “the romantics” they seemed like ordinary people even though I had no idea who they were. I was going out with my buddy to do coke all night and they called for pizza and my friend turned on oven for them and I delivered the pizza while he closed up.

    • stangerx says:

      Never met them but did catch them at a dirty club right after “What I Like About You” came out. Great tune, but problem was all the rest of their set had more or less the same beat.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Talking in Your Sleep was another big hit for them. Good bass line.

      • stangerx says:

        That was the next record in……think I wasn’t the only one with the same reaction to the first one. They reminded me of “That Thing You do” at the time…..even if the movie came out later.

    • jetsssuck says:

      I must have been really stoned back in those days because I don’t remember or knew who they were at that time in the early 80’s. College is still a blur. “What I like about you” sounds familiar now a days.

  53. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, yeah they were a fun rock & roll band, nothing too deep but catchy.

  54. steveccnv says:

    D says:

    May 4, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    steveccnv says:
    May 4, 2016 at 3:32 pm
    Moore’s cap hit is less than his dead money, that pretty much says he’s a lock. The only thing stopping him from making the team is Doughty having a Russell Wilson preseason.
    ————————————
    Not if he is a post June 1st cut.
    ——————————————————–
    You should reread what you just wrote 😛

    • D says:

      Well yeah i get what you are saying, but i dont think it has to be Russel Wilson like….If its Russel Wilson like then there is a different guy getting benched 🙂 Its just got to be better than Moore like.

  55. naplesfan2010 says:

    grading just the players, not the off-field risk, not the GM/FO, not the value/trades etc.
    Tunsil A+
    Howard B+
    Drake B+
    Caroo B+
    Grant B
    Lucas B
    Duarte B+
    Doughty B-

    However, if just judging the scheme fit to the type player we want … it’s straight A’s. Every guy fits the profile of tough, scrappy, hard-working alpha-dogs.

    And if judging by need, Straight A’s with Lucas and Doughty getting B’s.

    We badly needed another OL, RB, CB, WR, KR, and H-back. I contend we need to groom a long-term back-up @ QB. Lucas is depth at CB and a ST demon, which are important, but not totally necessary.

  56. D says:

    Mike the hi bit rate digital recording they have now are vastly superior to mp3, or CD quality. CD quality is a lower bit rate because to get them to fit on CD they have to lower the bit rate to lower their file size. MP3 is for the masses, its not mean for quality as much as it is for ease of download and storage. Those really into music download the higher bit rate recordings, and just accept they wont get 1500 songs on one device, more like 150 really high quality ones. All of these portable media devices now make CD as a media obsolete, act now an im sure you can find all your crooner albums completely remastered in high bit rate recording, hear your music as if Bennett is in the room with you!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yep! MP3/4 and whatever are compressed files so you can fit more tunes on your devices. The original recordings are great quality.

    • D says:

      MP3 is obsolete now too, the advent of the ultra high bandwidth cable and DSL services make downloading a hi bit rate recording, equivalent to what it use to take for mp3’s. Other day i downloaded a standard mp3 file and it took just over a second.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I use YouTube for music now. Anything I feel like listening too or watching live is on there. It’s awesome.

      • D says:

        they pretty much have full albums on there and if they dont they link a lot of related sigle songs across multiple uploads and create albums that you can even randomize the “tracks”.

  57. Mike E. says:

    D

    The original digital recordings are equal and no better than a fully digital CD, like Dire Straits “Brother in Arms” CD, which was one of the first fully digital CD’s.

    • Mike E. says:

      It had the DDD designation, which meant the original recording was digital, it was formatted on a digital disc (CD) and it was digitally mastered.

    • D says:

      CD’s though are not a reliable media, the disk itself degrades, warps, scratches, etc and the device that reads it back is mechanical. Its similar comparison of standard spinning platter hard drives to the newer solid state drives or the even newer RAM drives. Playback from a digitial file is way superior to playing from a CD, and as i said they are moving away from this as method for pueople buying music. Alos whats cheaper to a producer, burning a bunch of CD, buying the cases, producing the artwork, or doing this once on a difital format and then selling it to millions. The CD’s are cheap, the cases are cheap but 0 ccoast is better than cheap cost.

      What i was really getting at is MP3 even the 320kb format shouldn’t be considered a true music format due to it being lossy compression. It inherently is sub par to the original because it is missing stuff, in some of the lower kb formats, its close to a 90% loss. However in a true format, .wav is close, apple lossless formats, etc those are true lossless formats and playback is of the same quality as the recording.

      CD’s are just a bad technology getting replace by a better one. You will see it will just be a few more years and you wont even be talking about CD’s anymore because the industry is abandoning it.

    • steveccnv says:

      Wow, I was hoping Kiko could get through to him. If Dion plays OLB up to his potential, this could be some kind of D.

      BPOD Lou.

      • markeyh says:

        I need to see it to believe it and still he has a long way to get in good grace IMO….

  58. Mike E. says:

    D

    Aren’t CD’s lossless files?

  59. son of a son of a shula says:

    If Kiko can get Dion back on track and Dion becomes the Dion we thought we were getting and Kiko has a good year then that trade would be one of the biggest steals ever.

    Tunsil
    Maxwell
    Alonzo
    Jordan

    POW!

  60. would need to agree w/markeyh that I need to see it to believe it but it’s an interesting post if true.

  61. BoulderPhinfan says:

    Dion FF is not even re-instated yet by goodell. Lets see if he ever gets to play in the NFL first.

  62. Tim Knight says:

    Naples, I thought you meant we still needed those positions badly after the draft. We could still use some competition here and there but I think we’re almost set with who we have. Now that doesn’t mean we’re a great team, just that we are who we are now and the next phase will be what the 53 will end up looking like.

  63. Ken says:

    D:
    Really nice job. Thank you for the contribution

  64. Tim Knight says:

    Ken, on the other blog there is a discussion that the Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax and a training exercise to further gun control by the government. This one really blew me away. So being that you’re from the state of CT, in a few words can you tell me your view on this? Yikes!

  65. Mike E. says:

    That’s a new one. There’s a conspiracy for everything, if you want there to be one.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I find it creepy on many levels. The thought that it’s true, that our government would do that, the fact that people believe this, the people who were reported murdered are not really dead including 6-7 year old children. I mean WTF?

  66. Mike E. says:

    How many times have we heard fast tempo in the last 4 years? Hopefully, we actually see it in use in a game.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He made it sound like it actually was though didn’t he, like it never was like that before? We saw times when it was, but it wasn’t a staple.

      • Mike E. says:

        Well, Cameron was only here 1 year. He went through a bunch of coaching changes and OC changes in CLE though.

  67. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    Here’s a link that shows those claims to be false

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah I never believed it and I posted a link of the victims. Children 6-7, adults, teachers, principles etc. Are they not dead? Like I said that one blew me away.

  68. finfanrob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    May 4, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    Ken, on the other blog there is a discussion that

    i think that right there should be your answer to all the hoax bs. its like taking adult coloring books and calling it art

  69. finfanrob says:

    tim,

    i pretty sure gigi never existed. that she was just a government bot created by bush administrating just set up to piss walker off and thus cause a fight that would eventually lead to the split of the two blogs.

    • Tim Knight says:

      LOL, I don’t want to go here with division and conjuring up accusations against people but Walker was not involved in this discussion. Ask GD, he was and seems to think it’s possible.

  70. Mike E. says:

    Rob

    Gotta admit, that’s pretty funny

  71. finfanrob says:

    tim,

    it was just a joke, i wasnt saying anything about walker more just making fun of all the ‘hoax’ stories. you name it and there is some one coming up with some conspiracy about it. it is just no matter what happens some people got to just go all over the top with stories

  72. getterdone says:

    Tim, I didn’t say that I thought sandy hook was a conspiracy….now 9/11 is another story…that I believe to be a very corrupt set of events planned by more than just 19 crazy guys armed with box cutters working in perfect harmony….lol

  73. finfanrob says:

    yeah, i have no doubt the government, mainly he president, planned and executed a hijacking of planes, flying them into buildings, killing thousands of people, destroying billions in property just to make one radical terrorist look bad so the could hunt him down and kill him…..yep that is the ticket.

    now of course they did all this, probably took hundreds of people to plan it and execute it and they have kept it a secret from every one. you know the same government that couldnt keep a simple blow job a secret from the press but they pulled that one off

  74. finfanrob says:

    wow it is 9:11 and we are discussing 9/11 another conspiracy

  75. olddolphan says:

    I believe most of you are aware that the DON OF MIAMI recently was hospitalized and is now recuperating at home. It brought me back to the issue of the stadium formerly known as Sun Life.
    Just after Sun Life’s contract for the naming rights of the stadium ended, I called for Ross to name the home field of the Dolphins DON SHULA STADIUM. So far, no response from Ross, although a spokesman said the franchise is looking for a “suitable replacement” for the naming rights. This is typical Steve Ross. Some franchises try to squeeze every last dollar out of a franchise. But others try to do the right thing. That’s why the NFL has stadium names like SOLDIER FIELD, LAMBEAU FIELD and PAUL BROWN STADIUM. Yes, Ross has a perfect right NOT to name the stadium after the winningest coach in NFL history. He has a right NOT to name the stadium after the man who coached the NFL’s one and only PERFECT SEASON. But, is it the RIGHT THING TO DO?
    —————————————
    It is perfectly obvious that Don Shula’s time on earth is coming down the home stretch. We don’t know how many months or years he has left. But I strongly believe the football stadium should carry his name WHILE HE IS STILL ALIVE, so that he and his surviving family members can better enjoy an honor that has been due him for several decades. Ross is, according to a report, either the 2nd or 3rd richest owner in the National Football League. He can afford to do the right thing (as he did when he made a $400 million donation to his alma mater, the University of Michigan). It’s time to do the right thing, again.
    ————————————–
    My hat’s off to Professor Lou for his amazing depiction (on another web site) of what DON SHULA STADIUM would look like, with the WELCOME TO DON SHULA STADIUM sign greeting fans entering Ross’s upgraded stadium. It’s AWESOME, LOU!! Maybe you could run it on this site? The DON OF MIAMI is waiting!

    • Tim Knight says:

      It would be great but I don’t think forcing something like this is paramount or a reason to continue bashing Ross. You seem to have a very real personal vendetta against the man and now you’re creating a new reason to dislike him if he doesn’t do what you want him to do.

      • olddolphan says:

        TIM; If you don’t believe the stadium should carry Don Shula’s name, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I’m advocating it, and I HAVE advocated it, long before Ross bought the team. So if you think I’m just “using this as an excuse to bash Ross,” you are sadly mistaken. I believe DON SHULA is the greatest coach in NFL history, and CERTAINLY the greatest head coach by a wide margin in Dolphins franchise history. I’m advocating this BECAUSE IT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I HOPE you can understand that.

      • olddolphan says:

        OUT for tonight.

    • steveccnv says:

      I’m sure they forwarded your message to Ross. It went something like this: Dear Mr. Ross we have a lunatic season ticket holder that is demanding you change the name of the stadium to Don Shula Stadium, please do the right thing and make the change ASAP.

  76. finfanrob says:

    tim,

    i get sometimes people just want to try and be different and act like they are ‘thinking outside the box’ but some times the box is all there is and to think outside it is just foolish.

  77. finfanrob says:

    hell i am just impressed OD has ross’s number.

    hey OD, next time you call him can you hit him up to let me coach the cheerleaders

  78. naplesfan2010 says:

    what is the other blog?

  79. Tim Knight says:

    OD, the first thing I said was “It would be great” and what you got from that was “TIM; If you don’t believe the stadium should carry Don Shula’s name, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.”

    I give up.

  80. naplesfan2010 says:

    wow I thought that site was defunct. My toolbar button quit working and said the domain was was for sale. So they just changed from a .com to a .org.

  81. naplesfan2010 says:

    I do think it would be cool and a nice thing to do to name the stadium after shula, but it has the problem of once you do that you can never change it again because THAT would be really a PR disaster, so that means you could never sell the naming rights again which is good business AND good PR. I don’t think Shula or his legacy needs to have the stadium named after him.

  82. finfanrob says:

    wow, just wow. so now tim not only doesnt think the government killed all those kids now he is saying shula was one of the worst coaches in the history of the game and ross shouldnt even name a garbage can after him much less the stadium.

    youre such a jerk tim.

  83. sb7mvp says:

    They could name it after shula. They don’t need the money for naming rights and if they were that hard up they could sell the name of the field or sections or other things. Of course, if they are going to name the stadium after someone who made Miami great it would have to be Jake Scott.

  84. wyoming85 says:

    Man it must be nice giving a Billionaire advice!

    I wish I had that kind of stroke!!!!!!!!!

  85. getterdone says:

    Everybody has some kind of skeleton in their closet or some kind of greed when money is involved.
    Old article from 2010, but Don’s wife seems a tad uppity and greedy don’t ya say.

    Are the Shula;s broke? Or is football demigod Don’s wife just a cheapskate?
    http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/mary-anne-shula-sues-for-her-dead-ex-husbands-alimony-millions-6529882

  86. Tim Knight says:

    Alonso (2013 2nd), Jenkins (2013 4th), Misi (2010 2nd), Hewitt and Vigil will be our main LB corps with maybe Burgess cracking the lineup. That kid could be the next sleeper UDFA LB. Not a big guy but tenacious and a good cover LB – nickel/backup WOLB.

    • getterdone says:

      I liked what I saw in Burgess doing exhaustive time wasting draft research…so I hope he develops….lol

  87. I think people who are doubting Doughty (hehehehe) should go back and look at as many of his games as you can. If you can find the full games, do that instead of just looking at the Draft Breakdown version because they don’t show you the run plays from under center.
    This is what I see from Doughty in terms of his skills as a qb:

    – quick release. when he sees his guy the ball comes out of his hand. there’s no waiting.
    – despite playing in a spread offense where a lot of his throws are to his first read, he goes thru his progressions very well and, again, when he sees his guy the ball is out.
    -always keeps his eyes downfield whether he’s in the pocket, moving around in the pocket, stepping up into the pocket, rolling out, or even under pressure. He doesn’t have a ton of mobility like Tannehill but he uses what he’s got very well to avoid pressure.
    -makes very few mistakes with the ball. his td/int ration shows that
    -very accurate; his ball placement is on most of the time and that allows his receievers, te’s and rb’s to make plays after catching the ball
    -he’s very aware of what the defense is doing and he knows how to go thru his progressions based on how the defense is lined up against his O on a particular play. in other words, his first target isn’t dependent on the play that’s called. he comes up to the line and sees the D and then he knows how he has to go thru his progressions. he’s very SMART; has a high football IQ.
    -tremendous pocket awareness.

    What he does lack is that cannon arm and that’s the biggest issue with the kid. However, he does make up for that a bit because of how fast the ball comes out. He makes quick decisions and, once he does, that quick release of his doesn’t give defenders time to react. He’ll need to learn how to take more snaps under center and take his drops and utilize his footwork. Despite the lack of arm strength it’s still amazing when you see him make a perfect pass falling backwards or off his back foot. He’s tremendously accurate throwing on the run.
    Is he going to replace Tannehill? Most likely not but what it does give the team is a guy who can run the offense as a backup and I think that’s the biggest reason why they took him. Just like they took Howard, Drake, Carroo and Grant because of their fits to the offense, it’s the reason they took Doughty. He’s a very efficient passer and that’s what they are going to need with this offense. You have TE coming off the line going down the seam and the ball will need to be out. You have a wr come off the line and settle quickly in a zone after 5 or 6 yds and the ball needs to be out. Moore is not efficient in the same way.
    They need a guy who can make the read and get the ball out. Moore’s done in this offense IMO because he’s not a scheme fit.

    • getterdone says:

      good thing you don’t have to pay by the word…..

      • how much would that be, exactly? what would the charge per word be? does it depend on the validity or stupidity of the post? I may go broke

      • getterdone says:

        lol, I like Doughty…was mentioning him a ways back. Hometown kid from Davie that is drafted by the team he grew up following…how cool is that.
        But the real reason I liked him, was I saw his potential & knew he was a later round guy that could fit here in a draft and groom to overtake Moore, and who knows, even Tanny in 4 years.

    • steveccnv says:

      I like the kid too, but if you think he’s set knowing how to read a D, because he did it in college…well let’s just say he’s got plenty to learn.

      • IMO, he’s way ahead of the curve as far as college QB’s go because of playing under Brohm the last two as his HC and also had him as his QB coach in ’13. Most college QB’s are nothing more than game managers. You compare him to say, a qb from Baylor, and there’s a huge difference. This kid is going to surprise a lot of people come camp.

  88. Tim Knight says:

    We’ll see if someone unseats Moore as the #2. There are 3 QBs trying to pull it off.

  89. Doug Hendrickson
    ‏@DHendrickson41
    comeback player of the year. @dionj95 working with the best @tareqazim @empowersf redemption song….stay tuned…

    ________
    that’s from Jordan’s agent

    • getterdone says:

      Amen, people can and have turned their lives around 180….you don’t have to follow down the same path from now on….the good road is narrow & easy to fall off, but well worth the effort to hold firm to it’s true course.

    • steveccnv says:

      Bout Fn time we get some news out on DJ. I don’t doubt this regime will play him in the proper position. In the post earlier it said he wanted to play DE, that’s not true, he was told to play it, they said he was here to rush the passer. Did I mention how much I hate Philbin?

  90. Tareq Azim ‏@tareqazim · 1h1 hour ago

    Happy to announce my man @dionj95 will solidify his presence to the world #NFL… https://www.instagram.com/p/BFAlgm_rj3c/

  91. Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 3m3 minutes ago

    #Dolphins: Dion Jordan’s agent calls him “comeback player of the year” http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/05/05/dion-jordans-agent-calls-him-comeback-player-of-the-year/

  92. So, it appears Jordan hasn’t been wasting his life away in SoBe but has been in San Fran instead working to get his act together.

  93. I’m really rooting for the kid. It takes a lot for a person to turn it around and take the right path; admit they’ve got a problem. (see Johnny Foosball).
    It’s not just about the game of football either. If he decides to never play another down of football again I can care less. The biggest thing to me right now is that he’s got his head on straight and is working with someone to get his life back to where he needs it to be; focused. If he makes a comeback and plays for the Phins again that’s great. He’s got a lot of talent and it’s ashamed to waste it on the wrong thing.
    Point is, he’s doing what he needs to do and I support that.

  94. jetsssuck says:

    what’s interesting about his remarks is he’s wants to play LB. Maybe this is because OV compensatory pick next yr?

    • jetsssuck says:

      may have to revisit games he played in. What yr was that?

    • steveccnv says:

      How are the two related? He’s not an FA.

      • jetsssuck says:

        I would like to see him play if he was any good when he played for us. But he may affect Compensatory concerning OV. If he played DE and made pro bowl then he could affect our compensatory pick. I don’t know if comeback player of year could make a difference also.

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