Jordan’s Back



It’s been such a long time, so much has happened, so many things have changed since we last saw the no. 3 overall pick from the 2013 Draft. But alas, Dion Jordan has been reinstated on a conditional basis to begin his comeback with the Miami Dolphins.

Jeff Ireland, the guy who drafted him, thankfully is long gone. Joe Philbin, his first NFL head coach is gone. 151622700-0Dennis Hickey the GM who managed to add enough talent to almost make him forgotten is also gone. However, one guy who wasn’t here is now here and it may make all the difference in the world. Kiko Alonzo his former team mate and room mate in college at Oregon. Alonzo has proclaimed Jordan to be healthy and focused. Time will tell, and tell quickly as Jordan must prove during this training camp that he is ready to continue his NFL career without incident.

New Dolphin head coach Adam Gase has said Jordan will be evaluated by his performance and that Gase has no prior familiarity with the player. For Jordan’s sake that’s a good thing. The only thing Dolphin fans can hope for is that Jordan passes his upcoming tests with flying colors and becomes a force on a defense everyone feels has made some improvements as we head into the 2016 season.

Best of luck Dion Jordan

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583 Responses to Jordan’s Back

  1. D says:

    “Part of the reason I can’t get into Baseball or Basketball is that there are just too many games. I like being able to sit down and watch every game my team plays in. It’s part of why I like the Dolphins. Every season, I’m guaranteed 16 games, and not a single one more.”

    Damn lol…..

    • D says:

      Not to hog the spotlight as dolphins fans…..
      “The Broncos have won more Super Bowls with QBs drafted by the Colts than the Colts have.” and “Trent Richardson has been the only Colt in recent memory to effectively stop the run.” from the Colts roast..

  2. Tim Knight says:

    Good news but Ajayi has also been sidelined so the competition isn’t really there right now. Ajayi should be back in a day or two. Play the best players.

  3. D says:

    It’s the year 2116. The cure to cancer has been found, fighting in the middle east has stopped, and and the Dolphin’s FO is still saying this will be Tannehill’s breakout year.

  4. sb7mvp says:

    It’s funny to think of Arian Foster as old having little in the tank, but he’s 10 years younger than me.

  5. D says:

    MIA is the perfect abbreviation not only for Miami, but also for dolphins postseason appearances.

  6. stangerx says:

    Can’t claim a steal on the Fest game yet, but man do those Steelers fans travel. The cheapest ticket you can find for our section ($65 for our game) the week before against Pitt are going $200+.

    Guessing that game is going to be all Black and Gold…….not like Phin fans are paying that much.

    • Mike E. says:

      That’s why I’m not going to that game. Prices are ridiculous. My bud said no way.

    • Brian in NY says:

      It’s absurd. I’m definitely going, still trying to find a fair price on tix. It’s not the money so much as it is the principle of the matter.

      • stangerx says:

        Was talking to our guy yesterday……he said he had never seen anything like it. Only way I go is if OD asks me…..but I will be telling him “no fing way — get your tix on stubhub.” With his seats he’ll pay for three other games versus face value.

    • steveccnv says:

      They don’t really travel, they have fans everywhere. Winning will do that.

  7. Mike E. says:

    Just like a teacher to blame the Principal. lol

  8. D says:

    D says:
    August 4, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    Not to hog the spotlight as dolphins fans…..
    “The Broncos have won more Super Bowls with QBs drafted by the Colts than the Colts have.” and “Trent Richardson has been the only Colt in recent memory to effectively stop the run.” from the Colts roast..

    steveccnv says:
    August 4, 2016 at 3:25 pm

    That makes no sense, Trent wasn’t drafted by the Colts and doesn’t play QB .
    Steve, sorry let me make it more readable…
    “The Broncos have won more Super Bowls with QBs drafted by the Colts than the Colts have.”
    “Trent Richardson has been the only Colt in recent memory to effectively stop the run.”

  9. Al in MIA says:

    Prices seem high to Dolphins fans who know the local football game pricing but for people who come regions such as Pitt, Philly, NYC (Giants) know that they can’t even buy season tickets for their teams because they are sold out repeatedly year in and year out by legacy holders. People in those markets pay a premium to go to a game off the resale market.

    • stangerx says:

      Al — awesome point. When I lived in DC the list for even the worst seasons was estimated to be ten years long. So especially when folks like that are tagging to a vacation….no big deal.

      Now let me repeat in your memory my brags about putting my bear on the Pirates dugout at a Marlins game for 85 bucks. Just not a great sports area……maybe too few who grew up strong with it and too many Jets fans coming in.

    • steveccnv says:

      What a concept:
      “Our guy has to be able to do all of those things because one of the things we’re counting on is we can get you in a personnel group and make you stay in it. That’s got to be one of our advantages.”

      The cheats do this all the time, wondered when we might try it. The D that the cheats used last year against us on the Thursday Night game is similar to our wide 9. Same thing wondered when we were going to be a pressure D.

      I mentioned this when the schedule came out, we play again on Thursday away this year, 3 out of the last 4 years, where it’s a huge advantage for the home team coming off of a short week. The cheats have had a home game on Thursday like 4 out of the last 5 years.

  10. stangerx says:

    Not just Gase raving about Arian Foster, count RB coach Danny Barrett and Perkins in as well.

    Why am I thinking Ajayi might get healthy quick?
    When watching Dolphins running back Arian Foster, it’s hard to believe he’s coming off a season-ending Achilles injury. The cuts, the burst, the reads, the receptions, the smoothness — it’s all there for the four-time Pro Bowl selection….

    It suggests that Foster, who turns 30 later this month, may take on the bulk of the running back responsibilities to start the season. At this point he’s the Dolphins’ most complete back.

    Coaches rave about Foster, who signed a one-year, $1.15 million contract last month.

    “Watching the film prior to him going down last year, he looked like his old self,” Dolphins running backs coach Danny Barrett said. “Actually, as a matter of fact, from seeing him live and in person, he’s probably a little bit quicker than what I saw on film.”

    • steveccnv says:

      This is a good thing, because he may put a little fear in the D, which will hopefully keep them from pinning their ears back and rusher the passer like we’ve seen all too much of lately.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      IF foster can get back to his old form, he could be good in this system.

      • steveccnv says:

        I agree, but Gase seems to love Foster, who he compared to Forte, and since Forte was an FA this year why didn’t he just sign him?

  11. Brian in NY says:

    When they charged PSL’s for seats at the new stadium in NJ, many people weren’t able to afford those seats anymore, so in turn there are always tickets available, not like in years past. The don’t do the escalating ticket prices at that stadium (yet) becuase people would probably go through the roof. I can find seats to ANY game at MetLife for well under $100 right now for the upper level. Ross can’t get away with PSL’s because he didn’t build a new staduim, so to increase income, he chose the escalating ticket price.
    It all boils down to this: When the owners of the Giants and Jets decided to build a new stadium, they charged PSL’s because owners of season tickets were allowed to sell them one time only and transfer them to a new owner; those transactions obviously didn’t come cheaply, costly thousands and tens of thousands (obviously illegally) for seats where the original season ticket holder profited greatly. The teams saw they were losing out on potential income (because they don’t make enough) and therefore charged PSL’s for every seat in the new stadium. Even if the new owners sell these seats (not sure what the rules are now), they would only be recouping the money they originally laid out, and the team will have already gotten theirs. IMO the escalating ticket prices are a way of combatting against the scumbag ticket brokers, who charge more for the better matchups. This way, the team makes more money on those games, and the brokers make less.

    • stangerx says:

      “IMO the escalating ticket prices are a way of combatting against the scumbag ticket brokers, who charge more for the better matchups.”

      For sure that is what the Dolphins are doing, but the season prices are that they are. You buy the package and you own every home game and are free to re-sell. What they are doing different now is the flexible pricing on the individual ticket sales…..and yeah that is with a thought to what re-sell prices are. And why not. Say you owned Madison Square Garden…..instead of setting a standard price, wouldn’t you charge more per seat for the Stones than Weird Al?

      • Brian in NY says:

        I see the logic, but those are events that happen once every so many years. I would have preferred they just raised them across the board to be honest. It just feels like we are being taken advantage of this way.

      • stangerx says:

        For sure the Steelers game is an exception, but they set up three tiers of pricing. You want to go to the Titans game and you’ll be happy with the price. But you are right they do take advantage in a way…..they raise the prices more from the base price as they have fewer tickets left. Same way it works on stubhub though.

  12. BoulderPhinfan says:

    This is so refreshing after having philibin as HC. From MAndo

    “Shula didn’t insist on players conforming to his system. He conformed his system to them.
    That is why Shula went to a Super Bowl with a running team riding Larry Csonka. And he went to the Super Bowl with a passing team riding Dan Marino.

    And Gase believes in this very philosophy. He’s not going to ask Ryan Tannehill to throw passes the quarterback isn’t comfortable throwing — even if Peyton Manning and Jay Cutler liked to do it. He’s not going to ask linemen or receivers or running backs do something they struggle to do.”

    • Mike E. says:

      Yeah, that is refreshing

    • steveccnv says:

      Bad analogy Mando, RT can make all the throws.

      What I don’t get is many of the things mentioned here over the years, that assholes like Philbin and others didn’t do, is now being done, by the coach they call the brilliant mind, so what does that say about us and the former coaches?

      • Brian in NY says:

        We’re brilliant?

      • steveccnv says:

        It shows we have common sense and are maybe a little smarter than some who have called themselves NFL head coaches. Jimmy Johnson said football is a simple game, yet some can’t handle even the simplest of tasks.

  13. BoulderPhinfan says:

    not sure why we didn’t sign forte. Maybe they’re rethinking Ajayi as starter now.

    • steveccnv says:

      Ajayi should be fine, but not if he isn’t pushed. Foster will make him look better than he may actually be, and for sure will take the pressure off.

  14. stangerx says:

    So I am talking to out ticket guy today (sometimes whether he just calls me when he has down time and wants to BS). We both agreed that Jets fans are the most obnoxious ones around.

    He shared a priceless talk he had with one a couple days ago:

    “F You, F You, F You — no way will I ever pay that. much………..I’ll call you back about it.”

  15. Brian in NY says:

    Your comment about StubHub is exactly the point I was making earlier.

  16. steveccnv says:

    Ross’ point on the different prices for games was to keep the games that weren’t so popular somewhat low.

  17. The Flying Pig says:

    This is really cool
    Open the link and move your phone around

  18. getterdone says:

    Vikings coach Mike Zimmer believes CB Trae Waynes is “getting better,” but most be more aggressive.
    “Where he needs to continue to get better is being aggressive at the top of the route, when the guys are making their breaks and things like that,” Zimmer said. “We can cover them, but if we’re not finishing the play, that’s where he needs to do better.” Waynes will open the season as the No. 4 or 5 corner after struggling as a rookie, but should again feature on special teams.
    Remember the many here that was salivating for Miami to draft him last year?
    So far so good that we passed or missed on him. Zimmer the former DC from the Bengals doesn’t like his aggressiveness.
    VJ wants our Corners to be tough & physical. We may very well see Xavien Howard become the better NFL CB.

    • steveccnv says:

      I liked no CBs from this year, that I saw tape on. I like Waynes, but he may not be in the best scheme, so it’s hard to tell what someone isn’t doing on another team. Joey Bosa has a good chance to be just average, playing out of position in SD.

      • getterdone says:

        Yep, scheme (as I’ve harped on so often under the lame Philbin regime) with the right personnel to fit it or vise versa can mean SO Much!
        This why it’s a good thing that our FO & HC have brought in bigger physical corners to run what VJ’s done & seen to be successful.

        Go Phins!

      • steveccnv says:

        Ireland was a big part of the Philbin failure, as I’ve said many times he just gathered talent, for no particular purpose.

  19. Brian in NY says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 4, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    Ross’ point on the different prices for games was to keep the games that weren’t so popular somewhat low.
    I disagree 100%. Read my “D Length” post above and you’ll see what I’m talking about. He is raising the prices of the popular games to offset the gain ticket brokers are getting and he is missing out on.

    • steveccnv says:

      You might be right, it’s not a subject I’ve thought about, it’s just what was reported at the time they decided to go with the different prices. Logically what you’re saying makes sense, but I’m not sure Ross cares about the resale market. I was looking for the cost of the Steelers game that is listed on the ticket, but couldn’t find it. Knowing that price range would help.

  20. olddolphan says:

    BRIAN: AGREE with your point on Ross and the brokers. NOW I’d just like to know Ross’s “secret plan” to fill the almost totally empty “Lazy Boy” seats that were priced at $1,000-$2,500 per ticket PER GAME between the 20 yard lines on the home side of the field. Ross pissed off thousands of long term loyal ticket holders by telling them they’d have to move to inferior locations to make room for “the big bucks guys” who, by and large, REFUSED TO PAY ROSS’S PRICES for these high prices seats (hence all the EMPTY SEATS right behind the Dolphins bench). Of all the fuck-ups Ross has committed, this insult to his MOST LOYAL SEASON TICKET HOLDERS has to be among the worst.
    My season ticket package just arrived via Fed-Ex. Problem was NO SEASON TICKETS WERE INCLUDED!! –I’ve got to jump thru hoops to print off my OWN TICKETS which I paid for early January!! The young guy I work with who is computer savvy will be out of the area for the next few weeks (I haven’t a clue how to do this). Hopefully the ticket agents will be able to walk me through this process. However, I’ve got to take time off work to do this from my home computer.–Ya, this Ross guy never misses a chance to fuck with his season ticket holders.
    PS: Many of “MY BOYZ” did NOT renew this year after decades of loyal support. One of them, my brother-in-law (Jim), who’s missed only 3 home games in franchise history, does NOT own a computer. Got NO IDEA how he’s going to get his season tix.

  21. Mike E. says:


    Not sure if you read this the last time I posted it. I was listening to NFL radio a few weeks back, and I don’t remember the host, but he was discussing how sports stadium owners, cruise ship lines, airlines, basically everything are catering to the ‘1 percenters”, the uber rich who can and will spend ridiculous amounts of money to be catered to and pampered. Cruise ships are now pimping “private areas” that the uber rich can purchase that are cordoned off from the riff-raff (us!), airlines have always had first class, but this is a trend spreading into more areas you would think. I guess we better get used to it, because it’s growing fast.

    • steveccnv says:

      I agree mike, here in Vegas as many remember from the show Vegas with Dantana, the Desert Inn. It was on a golf course that very few ever played on, with a casino very few gambled in, and with a hotel very few stayed in, why? So the ultra rich could have their own playground.

    • Brian in NY says:

      Those cruise ships also have areas for the non-uber rich, but richer than most of us on here.

      • steveccnv says:

        But still catering to those that will pay extra, that what it’s all about. The airlines that were hurting big time just 5 years ago are now making astronomical profits after charging fees for everything under the sun. Casino hotels are charging resort fees. NFL cities are charging tourists fees for hotels, rent a cars…

  22. BoulderPhinfan says:

    wsan’t tanny top 10 a couple of years ago?

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 15h15 hours ago Miami, FL
    I doubt there’s one media member who watches Dolphins practice every day for a number of year who will say Tannehill can be a top 10 QB.

    • steveccnv says:

      He’s a douche. They haven’t even played a game yet and Gase is already calling him out. A bearded coconut and a whack a doodle walk into a bar…Brent should divorce her, she’d be perfect for O. I believe his wife left him, because of her.

    • Al in MIA says:

      Top 10 draft pick yes but I guess Omar is speaking about top 10 performing QB.

  23. Brian in NY says:

    BRIAN: AGREE with your point on Ross and the brokers. NOW I’d just like to know Ross’s “secret plan” to fill the almost totally empty “Lazy Boy” seats that were priced at $1,000-$2,500 per ticket PER GAME
    This is where his NY experience comes in. In NY and other areas like SF and LA, they can do that because of the corporate power in these areas, the seats usually sell out no matter what.

    • steveccnv says:

      See my post about the Desert Inn, it isn’t always about selling out the seats, sometimes they want stuff available to those that have, at a moments notice. Ross has more money than he can spend, he’s done several things with the Dolphins that he isn’t getting a return on investment. At least not directly.

  24. Tim Knight says:

    Omar is always trying to validate himself. LOL

  25. Al in MIA says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 5, 2016 at 9:58 am

    But still catering to those that will pay extra, that what it’s all about. The airlines that were hurting big time just 5 years ago are now making astronomical profits after charging fees for everything under the sun. Casino hotels are charging resort fees. NFL cities are charging tourists fees for hotels, rent a cars…
    The most profitable airlines are the ones who manage their fuel costs (and labor cost) the best.
    That said, you pointed to all these other fees people charge on top of the basic charge and it is a problem that the FTC has recognized. It is technically illegal under US law to advertise only a portion of a product/service cost as the product/service cost. If ancillary costs (hotels get away with the “resort fees” bs) are permanently tied to a product/service charge (e.g. a “resort fee” attached to a hotel room charge per night), they must be quoted together as 1 price for the purpose of advertising price of product/service.

    • Al in MIA says:

      The funny thing about resort fees is that hotels claim these charges are to pay for “towels at the pool, exercise room facilities usage, etc” but the consumer who doesn’t use any still must pay.

  26. Al in MIA says:

    Armando Salguero (@ArmandoSalguero) | Twitter

    10 mins ago – View on Twitter
    RB Kenyan Drake pulls up with an apparent hamstring pull on a long run.

    9 mins ago – View on Twitter
    Kenyan Drake immediately spiked football and ripped off helmet as he was slowing down. Three min. Left in practice.

  27. Al in MIA says:

    Miami Dolphins (@MiamiDolphins) | Twitter
    4 mins ago – View on Twitter
    LIVE on #Periscope: Dolphins Live: Coach Burke meets with the media.…

  28. Al in MIA says:

    Oh well, forget the links i posted, they ended already.
    Periscope is an app that allows live video streams…popular on twitter for live look ins of events.

  29. Al in MIA says:

    I haven’t been excited about the Fins since the Jimmy Johnson days lol.
    These coaches (Gase & Joseph in particular) have a pair of you know what lol

  30. Brian in NY says:

    Looks like that hammy is going to be a problem for Drake. Not a good sign.

  31. Tim Knight says:

    Ajayi was back at practice today so that’s good.

  32. Al in MIA says:

    I think I’ll have a Porter today in honor of it…

  33. Brian in NY says:

    Agree Steve. Gas prices have stabilized, yet we are still paying baggage fees.

    • Al in MIA says:

      Another classic case of “Heads I win, Tails you lose”…
      They claim they need to charge bag prices cause of weight to fuel cost ratios but when the oil market collapsed, the fees remained.

      • steveccnv says:

        In CA after the SF earthquake, that happened during the SF and Oakland World Series, they said they needed to raise the sales tax to pay for it, but they never put it back. We’re learning through sports, politics, and business that 50% of what they tell us is BS, the other 50% we shouldn’t pay attention. The media bought by the Dems, the NFL bought by who knows, politicians bought by Wall Street and foreign nationals…Everything is BS, reality is what we’re told it is, what freedom?

      • steveccnv says:

        Conspiracy theories exist, because of all the BS were fed. It’s hard to post anything without typing BS😉

      • steveccnv says:

        For you Mike, the wink in my last post was for the last line😉

  34. Al in MIA says:

    A local brew that I have in my fridge…

    • stangerx says:

      Is that the special one with Zica flavoring. 🙂

      Will admit though that there are some Florida brews that are surprisingly good given that they have to import all the ingredients… seem wheat and hops fields recently?

      Ever try Key West Wheat?

  35. stangerx says:

    Reading btwn the lines — sounds like Grant might be the deep receiving punt return threat guy, but no way will he be the inside the 20 hands guy.

    Safe to say one of the most-anticipated moments of the preseason games will be when the Dolphins send in their return teams.

    Everyone wants to get a look at the blazing speed of sixth-round pick Jakeem Grant. Coaches are no different, but while they want to see what Grant can do against NFL talent with that speed, that’s not all they’ll be watching for.

    Namely, can he hold onto the ball?

    “It’s a great question,” special teams coordinator Darren Rizzi said…..

    “He’s had days where he hasn’t dropped any and he’s had a couple of days where he’s dropped one or two,” Rizzi said.

    “He’s definitely ahead of where I thought he’d be at this point for a guy that didn’t return punts in college, at least in game action.”

    • D says:

      I dont know man, in the interviews with the coaches, they were saying a lot of what is with the hands/drops is about them still learning things and they are dropping things not because they have bad hands but because they are still having to consciously think about what they are doing on a certain play or what punt blocking formation they are running, etc and its slows them down and maes them lose focus. They were saying they feel like this is exactly what happens at the stage in the PS we are in and they dont expect it to be any different. They said that once they get the plays down and it becomes second nature what they are doing in their formations then they think all of these kinds of issues will fade, and all they really expect right now is to see progress in getting the formation stuff down. The rest will take care of itself. I think its juts too early to judge anything right now, because the coaching staff surely feels that way.

      • D says:

        Brian in NY says:
        August 5, 2016 at 11:20 am

        Agree Steve. Gas prices have stabilized, yet we are still paying baggage fees.
        Food cost also went up as did restaurant prices and again, as the price went back down they didnt go back down with the food stuff. Thats very much the norm in that industry. Usually they are walking such a line on food cost that any chance to go up they leap at it.

      • steveccnv says:

        D, I agree, except what they’re describing in practice, with his drops, are exactly what I saw in his college game tape. I assume he has small hands, and will always have some drops.

    • stangerx says:

      “I assume he has small hands, and will always have some drops.”

      Seems if we can accept that from a potential future president we should be able to fro a potential punt returner with world class speed.

  36. D says:

    By Walker, ESPN: “Morning take: Head coach Adam Gase says it isn’t always pretty with Doughty, but the Western Kentucky product finds ways to move the chains. Doughty is pushing for the No. 3 quarterback job.”

    Gotta love the out of context way they report. He didnt say it wasnt pretty but he found a way to move the chains, he said he isnt quite sure what his read progression is, but he finds a way to get completions….tats a good bit different from what Walker was saying.

  37. D says:

    D says:
    August 5, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    Brian in NY says:
    August 5, 2016 at 11:20 am

    Agree Steve. Gas prices have stabilized, yet we are still paying baggage fees.
    Food cost also went up as did restaurant prices and again, as the price went back down they didnt go back down with the food stuff. Thats very much the norm in that industry. Usually they are walking such a line on food cost that any chance to go up they leap at it.

    • steveccnv says:

      They mark up food cost 3 times, so if they’re walking a fine line, then they don’t know how to run a restaurant.

      • D says:

        Depends on the resturant, thats true for most chains, because on a corporate level they can leverage much lower produce costs, but a lot of local shops dont really have a lot of latitude to do that. Infact its hard for them to be competitive price wise because their cost is so high in comparison to chains. Americans also dont value quality of food over cost of meal in most cases so again, advantage chain.

      • steveccnv says:

        I don’t agree D, those shows like Restaurant Impossible, and the one where the guy fixes the bars, both pretty show the same thing, poor management, and laziness. Restaurants that have issue don’t make enough from scratch, they take the easy way out and buy from a food service, which drives the cost up. My brother ran a few restaurants, and he’s always telling me things about how clueless some restaurants are.

      • steveccnv says:

        There’s a BBQ place where I used to live, I knew the owners, they smoked all their meats, and had lower prices than other places that bought the heat up BBQ version. The place was always packed, and they made a decent profit. I knew another guy that was part of a chain, he was pissed, because they made him buy through corporate, and their high prices.

  38. Tim Knight says:

    D, Doughty is limited physically. He has to play within himself and play smart to succeed. He doesn’t have the athletic ability or arm strength to take many chances.

    • stangerx says:

      Tim — but how is that different from our current back-up QB?

      Or Chad P for that matter?

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s not, just less experience vs. Moore, and Pennington was a 1st rd pick.

        If RT went down do you want a project as the next guy up if we’re having a good season? Even Dysert has 3 years under his belt.

  39. stangerx says:

    When the money stops. Am assuming “my guy” was Richardson’s business manager.
    Just days after he was released by the Baltimore Ravens in what could be an NFL career-ending transaction comes more sad news with Trent Richardson.

    The former No. 3 overall pick of the Cleveland Browns in 2012 told ESPN that his family and friends spent $1.6 million of his money in a period between January 2015 and October in 2015.

    “I finally just looked at my bank statement, and I was just like, ‘Where did this come from? Where did that come from?’ And my guy was sitting there telling me, I know he was telling me, but that’s just like telling a kid to stop running in the hall. They’re going to still do it when you turn your back or you leave.”

    “It’s just one of them moments to where I was just blinded by my heart, by loving everybody and thinking that everyone was for me. I know they love me. I know they do care. But at the time, they took advantage of it.”

  40. The Flying Pig says:

    I hope everyone is celebrating international beer day today

  41. getterdone says:

    Bills second-round ILB Reggie Ragland exited Friday’s practice after suffering a non-contact knee injury.
    Ragland injured his left knee while trying to defend a sweep run near the end of practice. He was on the ground for several minutes but was able to leave the field on his own power. Coach Rex Ryan couldn’t offer up any details but admitted he’s “very concerned.” With Shaq Lawson already out with a shoulder injury, the Bills can’t afford another injury to their front seven.

  42. steveccnv says:

    An open book: Brett Favre lived like he played — zealously and for everyone to see

    LOL, no pun intended I’m sure

  43. The Flying Pig says:

    Its pretty amazing that the Bills drafted both Lawson and Ragland

    I would have loved to have a draft like this to help build a dominant front 7 (not complaining – don’t get defensive)

    but if they are injured it ends up being worthless

  44. The Flying Pig says:

    Odd place to look for cooking advice

  45. The Flying Pig says:

  46. Rockphin says:

    . Instead, the Dolphins are using training camp to try lineman at different spots along the line. As Foerster said: “This is the first year in the offense. We’re mixing and matching the positions right now trying to give everybody a chance to compete and see what our best lineup is. It will be going on the whole season.”

    Man I hate this shit! every year different coaching staff’s make the same mistake! Find the 5 and play them together so they can get their chemistry going and learn how to work together!

  47. Randy says:

    They have a few new OL and a few younger players they still need to feel out. Plus, this is a new coaching staff that hasn’t seen these guys perform in practice. I don’t like a lot of switching around either, but it’s understandable at this point in camp. Also, you wanna figure out who can be your swing/backup guys you can go to in games. This is the time to do this stuff.

  48. Mike E. says:

    In Rock’s defense, he mentioned this would be going on ALL season, not just in training camp and pre-season

    • steveccnv says:

      Let’s say Dallas is playing LG, and he pulls the same crap he’s done every year, stink it up once the games go live, you wouldn’t want them to try someone else? That’s all Foerster is saying.

      • Mike E. says:

        Is that really what he’s saying? Also, Thomas better not be starting because he WILL pull the same crap. Get it right the first time baby that the main thing . . . .

      • steveccnv says:

        He’s saying the competition is ongoing, the guy that wins the job to start the season isn’t locked in all season. Why is this hard to understand?

  49. Randy says:

    I assume he meant it would be going on all season in practice. That’s really not all that abnormal. You gotta get your backups reps throughout the season too. I wasn’t trying to rip on ya, Rock.

  50. Tim Knight says:

    Rock, all teams rotate OL and look for flexibility. The reason is only 7 OL go to the game and if you get hit with injuries you better know who can do what when you need to adjust. It’s football, it shouldn’t blow a guy’s mind if he has to move from RG to LG, G to C or from G to T in a pinch. Coaches need to find the guys who can do that.

  51. Mike E. says:

    It’s nice to have 5 guys you can count on that are comfortable working together. That’s the best way to do it. Sure, you have to sub in occasionally, but if the 5 guys that are out there the majority of the time understand what the guy next to him is doing, that’s great.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yes but even established O-lines have to move around from time to time when guys get banged up. I remember the Hogs having to move around during a season. Former OL of the Giants David Diehl played multiple positions at a high level. It’s just the way it is.

    • steveccnv says:

      Yes, that’s the ideal situation and we’d love to be in that position. Now, back to reality, the coaches have to see who’s going to play the best, in preseason, to fill the RG/LG spots. I’m sure they want to know who those guys are as soon as possible, but even then, if someone is struggling during the year it’s next man up. Foerster is saying, don’t get comfortable, we aren’t stopping the evaluation process once the season starts. I wouldn’t want it any other way, why would anyone?

  52. Randy says:

    I just want a competent OL this year. They have no excuses either. Play fricking better…the whole unit. Our backups have killed us recently. Gotta have 7ish competent guys playing well. Stop hurting the team.

  53. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I thought you weren’t that high on Ragland?

    • steveccnv says:

      He’s reading the hype 😛

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I didn’t want him in the first round
      At least not early 1st

      I thought he should have been drafted in the 2nd and that is where he went

      I didn’t dislike the plYer though

      Just didn’t think he was a 1st prospect

      • Tim Knight says:

        Gotcha! But if he’ going to be a difference maker in the front 7 then the 1st rd wouldn’t have mattered in the big scheme of things. That’s what Mike E and I always felt about him.

  54. steveccnv says:

    Detroit has also used a wide 9 with 8 guys in the box, with 3 lineman inside the tackles, and the 8th man, a safety, playing a DE wide spot.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Here’s a look at how it stretches the blocking scheme and makes it more difficult to get a hat on a hat without max protection.

      • Tim Knight says:

        For instance, from left to right – DL Williams/Wake, Suh, Mitchell/Phillips, Branch/McCain, LB Misi, Alonso and Jenkins with either Jones or IAQ sneaking up in the box.

    • steveccnv says:

      With Suh clogging the middle, it reduces the gaps inside in the wide 9. With this type of D we may also see less double teams on Suh, but if they continue to double him the unblocked LB better be making the play.

  55. getterdone says:

    All teams cross train OL, or at least try to for the ones that are versatile enough. Injuries happen. This is the time of year to see which OL can play where, so you’ll have a better idea what your depth is at different spots along the OL.
    It will settle into a starting 5 before long. The all season long thing is more about the depth behind that starting 5 once we get going at the beginning of the regular season games.

  56. The Flying Pig says:

    I think what rock means is we have seen the experimenting go on too long in the past

    Precursor to a season long indecision? Me no know

    • getterdone says:

      Yes, I agree and used to rant about how Sparano & Philbin who were known former OL coaches, would keep playing musical chairs with the starting 5 every other game it seemed….drove me nuts!
      I don’t see that with what Foerster was trying to convey. .

    • Tim Knight says:

      With a new coaching staff, instability on the OL and some new personnel, along with Albert, Pouncey and James only playing 7 games together in 2 years, you should expect it. That said, it’s friggin TC not a game. LOL

  57. steveccnv says:

    I wonder how much we’ll see the wide 9. I hope they mix it up and keep the O guessing. 3rd and like 7 might drive us nuts, if teams try to run and convert. If we can shut the run down on 3rd and 5 and longer, we may be awful tough to convert 3rd downs against.

  58. olddolphan says:

    The NFL Hall of Fame Inductions will be on ESPN tonight at 7PM. Among the inductees is former ’49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo, Jr. –He is, in my view, among the greatest owners in NFL history. Thus it’s really no surprise that he was selected by the committee for pro football’s highest honor.
    De Bartolo purchased the ’49ers in 1977. Known as a “players’ owner,” he led the franchise to unprecedented success during his tenure (1977-2000). In ’79 he hired Bill Walsh as coach. Walsh, the offensive coordinator for Paul Brown’s Cincinnati Bengals, came to the Niners from Stanford, where he enjoyed success as a head coach. DeBartolo also hired John McVay as GM and Carmen Policy as an adviser and CEO of the franchise. Together, DeBartolo, Walsh, McVay and Policy took this franchise to new heights. They drafted quarterback Joe Montana. They selected Jerry Rice. They built one of the very best defenses in the NFL. They created an atmosphere of winning. Beginning in 1981 and running through 1998, San Francisco averaged 13 WINS PER SEASON, including the playoffs (not counting the strike-shortened 1982 season). During DeBartolo’s reign the team won 13 divisional titles, made 16 playoff appearances, advanced to the NFC Championship Game 10 times, and was THE FIRST NFL FRANCHISE TO WIN FIVE SUPER BOWLS!! –DeBartolo’s ’49ers achieved the BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE IN THE NFL in both the 1980’s and the 1990’s!!
    Just about three miles from the small house that Mrs. OD and I rent is the development in north Tampa known as Avila. –Eddie, Jr., has a house there, close to a house (palace?) owned by the Glazers, the owners of the Buccaneers. inside Eddie’s house are the FIVE SUPER BOWL TROPHIES that his franchise won in the ’80’s and ’90’s. He proudly displayed them a few days ago for the benefit of local media types who were doing a story on his upcoming HOF induction. –Eddie, as usual, was all smiles as he gladly talked to, and joked with, the media. He seems very happy in retirement.
    I’ve read some comments to the effect that “I don’t pay any attention to owners. They aren’t part of the picture. Who cares about them??” –Well, as the only ticket holder on this board who has experienced all three different owners of the Miami Dolphins, I can tell you from personal experience that the owner is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN AN NFL ORGANIZATION. The OWNER selects the GM’sand the top advisers; he approves the choice of a head coach. He sets the tone for what kind of franchise he wants. Plenty of NFL owners spend the money it takes to produce a consistent winner. But only a select few SPEND THE MONEY WISELY ENOUGH (by making the right choices) to produce a consistent winner. Eddie DeBartolo, Jr., is one of those owners who has proven he CAN MAKE the right choices. THAT’S WHY he’s going into the Hall of Fame tonight.
    I WONDER if Miami owner Steve Ross will even go to or watch the Hall of Fame ceremonies? –Or is he back in New York working on his next “deal?”

  59. steveccnv says:

    Not sure what being a season ticket holder througj 3 owners has to do with knowing how important an owner is, but getting the right guy to run the show is huge. I surely know more about an owners importance now, than I did when I had season seats for 6 years in the early 70s. This is the information Era, you can learn way more on the internet than you can at the game.

  60. steveccnv says:

    OBJ being one of the top WRs in the NFL, and continuing to get better is good for Landry, they have a great competitive friendship, and push each other.

  61. olddolphan says:

    STEVE: Thanks for admitting “Not sure what being a season ticket holder through 3 owners has to do with knowing how important an owner is…” MOST on this site are in your boots. IN comparing Robbie, Huizenga and Ross, I can say I had the fewest problems with Huizenga. He ALWAYS did his best when it came to tickets and the season ticket holders. Robbie, except for one huge problem when the team moved from the Orange Bowl to the new stadium, was someone you could count on when it came to getting the best available coach (and GM). Robbie’s won-lost record, especially after he signed Shula, speaks for itself. It’s fair to say that in the last 7 years, I’ve had more problems with Ross’s leadership of the franchise than I had in the previous 40+ years combined with Robbie & Huizenga. I pray that the hiring of the current coach will be a step in the right direction. However, for my wife and some of my “Boyz,” it is too late. They’ve already given-up on the Dolphin franchise. Only a change in ownership will bring them back.

    • getterdone says:

      Greed has corrupted and ruined most all sports these days….nothing seems as genuine as when we were kids.

    • steveccnv says:

      Again, what does your experience with the owners have to do with being a successful owner. Because you and people you know had ticket issues doesn’t translate to the field.

  62. steveccnv says:

    What do the IOC, FIFA, NFL, NBA, Democrats and Republicans have in common? I’ll give a clue, Getter just typed the past tense of the word😉

  63. getterdone says:

    Rex Ryan said “there’s a lot of concern” over rookie ILB Reggie Ragland (knee).
    Ryan also backed off his comments that Ragland avoided ligament damage. There should be more on Ragland’s status once the swelling in his knee goes down. Buffalo plans to explore the free-agent market as insurance for Ragland.

    • getterdone says:

      ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Eagles are in heavy negotiations with free agent LB Stephen Tulloch.
      I’m counting on our young LB’s to develop nicely under Burke & VJ.

  64. The Flying Pig says:

    Gordon Gekko is laughing at you guys

    • olddolphan says:

      But picking great HC’s, GM’s, CEO’s and players also helps, IF you are an NFL team owner. Successful owners deal with a wide range of issues from Site security to parking to tickets to media relations to picking the right people to run the franchise to setting up an environment where the right players can grow, eventually, into a championship quality team. De Bartolo was so successful at all these things that he’s now in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Ross, on the other hand, isn’t within shouting distance. But maybe that’s too hard to understand??
      BUT HERE’s one thing we can ALL understand. Giancarlo Stanton just hit the longest home run in COORS FIELD HISTORY – – – 504 FEET!! –Good night, all you Dolfans!

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Ross has picked a lot of questionable people

        I don’t disagree with you in that point OD

      • steveccnv says:

        Isn’t there a lot of dirt out there on DeBartolo, and why he left the team? You have ever no idea, if he was successful at all of those things. He got lucky bringing in Walsh, that doesn’t make him a great owner. Ross has only been an owner for a few years. Before I left Miami the 49ers played the Fins in Miami, 1980, they were like 2-12, Montana wasn’t even playing yet, they were really struggling. The next year they won the SB, but his first 4 years were worse than Ross’. Give Ross a chance his NFL legacy is just getting started. Let’s hope Gase is the answer.

  65. The Flying Pig says:

  66. Rockphin says:

    Randy says:
    August 6, 2016 at 10:16 am

    They have a few new OL and a few younger players they still need to feel out. Plus, this is a new coaching staff that hasn’t seen these guys perform in practice. I don’t like a lot of switching around either, but it’s understandable at this point in camp. Also, you wanna figure out who can be your swing/backup guys you can go to in games. This is the time to do this stuff.

    steveccnv says:
    August 6, 2016 at 10:32 am

    I guess that wasn’t obvious to him.

    I don’t have a reading comprehension problem like others on here. I understand that this is the time of the Season where you try out different guys at different positions and give your young guys the opportunity. It was the last sentence of the statement that really bothered me

  67. Rockphin says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 6, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    He’s saying the competition is ongoing, the guy that wins the job to start the season isn’t locked in all season. Why is this hard to understand?

    Because we read English well and that is not what he said.

  68. olddolphan says:

    Steve; I gotta admit, your logic up the page is overwhelming. Here’s the quote:
    “You have ever (sic) no idea, if he (De Bartolo)was successful at all of those things. He got lucky …”
    WELL, there you have it, friends and countrymen. Eddie De Bartolo did NOT hire all those good people, or, if he di9d, it was luck. He did NOT play a significant role in a franchise that won FIVE SUPER BOWLS and had the NFL’s best winning percentage in the ’80’s or the ’90’s (by then with a different head coach). Eddie either didn’t do it or it was luck. And all those voters who voted him into the Pro Football Hall of Fame made a huge mistake and were ignorant of the facts.
    YEP, now Steve, I’m convinced your right and those guys in Canton were wrong. Hell, I expect Ross will be nominated for the Hall of Fame NEXT YEAR!!
    HOW could his critics be so stupid??

    • steveccnv says:

      OD your logic is baffling, and you still haven’t responded to what your ticket situation has to do with Ross’ success as an owner. Like a true politician you divert everything. You know nothing about the FO structure of the 49ers, yet you say he hired all of those people, maybe he did, but neither of us know the situation, and how could you, because you haven’t been a season ticket holder through all of their owners 😛

      I say you have no idea if he was successful at all of those things, and you divert to my comment that he got lucky, then you run with that. It’s my opinion that he got lucky. It’s not really based on much, because I’m not a 49er fan and don’t follow them, just as I’m sure you’re not, to make the comment how great he was at all of those things. I’m not saying I’m right, I’m saying I don’t know and neither do you. I would say that, living in Northern NV for 20 yrs, and SF being one of the 2 teams most people followed, and the games that were always on TV I’ve had more exposure to them than you have.

      With all the corruption in the world today and in sports… The Hall of Fame is just a beauty contest, especially for non-players. Some guys get lucky and are in the Hall of Fame because of it. Can anyone with a straight face say Griese deserves to be in the Hall? Was he a great QB or just put in the perfect situation? Put him on another and he either doesn’t see the field or isn’t close to the same amount of success.

      Here’s 2 other guys that had a lot of success based on the team they coached, Bill Cowher and Mike Tomlin. I think both might have been decent coaches for other teams, but not SB coaches. I even think Montana and Brady, if they had been on other teams wouldn’t have even been starting QBs.

      • steveccnv says:

        Take a guy like Jeff Fisher, he’s lived off of his one SB appearance, and it had more to do with Steve McNair than anything he did. Sure he drafted him, but he’s not a great coach, he just coached a great player, that had the drive to succeed. It’s the guys that can be stripped of all the material things that made them great and do it again that are really great, and not just in a good situation.

  69. Randy says:

    It’s cool. We all want our OL to improve and play well. We need them all to play well because, more than likely, we’ll need a backup or two to step up. It’s hard to expect those guys to “step up” if they don’t get to stay sharp by getting reps in practice. I think he meant they’ll continue to rotate guys around and in-and-out during practice throughout the season….not necessarily doing that with the starters during games. The guys they like as the starting unit will get the bulk of the snaps as time goes along.
    Guys like Tunsil(b/c of inexperience) and/or Bushrod(b/c of learning a new position), as examples….may start the season as backups, but you wanna get them reps in practice b/c they could end the season as starters b/c they earned it….or have to come in due to injury. We have a lot of pretty athletic OL right now. I think that unit can improve this season. Gase will, hopefully, help them too….and they’ve said they’re working on Tannehill’s footwork, so that’ll help them too.

  70. Rockphin says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 7, 2016 at 10:12 am

    Ok Einstein tell me what he said?

    I already did it was the exact quote that’s why it was in quotation marks

    : “This is the first year in the offense. We’re mixing and matching the positions right now trying to give everybody a chance to compete and see what our best lineup is. It will be going on the whole season.”

    He didn’t say backups he didn’t say that players he said he is going to be experimenting with the line all year. From watching the last 8 years of Dolphins football I formed the opinion that that is the wrong way to go about it

    Should they cross train the backups on the second and third team? Absofuckinlutly

    But he should get the best five starters by the second preseason game and stick with them barring injury or failure to produce. If someone fails to produce move the back up into his position. but don’t move the guard to tackle or the tackle to Center and then add somebody new into that position so that you are replacing two players on the line

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