Dolphins @ Cowboys – Preseason Game 2

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  1. Randy says:

    steve,
    Uh, it is true. I know it because I’ve done it. If I played against a team that I knew couldn’t run or had shown me they couldn’t in the game. I played differently. You always play run first, but if I knew they weren’t really gonna hurt me in the running game, I focused more on getting upfield….even if they lined in a running formation. If they could run…I stayed home more. I do agree it’s a little different in the NFL now with the pass heavy offenses, but the concept still applies…and that split second in the NFL is a lot quicker.

    • steveccnv says:

      I don’t agree with that at all. I played DE, and never worried, if it was a run or pass. I got upfield as fast as I could on every play, unless something changed that right after the snap. It isn’t the same in the NFL, because they’re so much faster.

  2. Randy says:

    steve
    I’d put about a dozen sacks on Tannehill alone a year. I don’t think that’s above average. But, this is an old, worn out argument. I’m okay with differing opinions. We all see different things. Reality is probably somewhere in the middle. Lol
    ***
    Later fellas.

    • steveccnv says:

      I’d put a dozen sacks on him a year too, but that doesn’t mean he also isn’t doing some good things on the other 500 passing attempts. When he stops taking those bad sacks I’d say his pocket presence would go up to very good. He also throws the ball away at times after he’s run right into a defender, so it’s not just 12 bad sack plays. The worst are the ones he takes in FG range that knocks us out.

    • Tannehill was responsible for about 30 of his own sacks last season. He cost us about 200 yds in field position with those sacks.

  3. Randy says:

    steve
    Then who filled the gap you left behind on the edge when you were getting upfield as fast as you could…because that’s how you lose containment on the edge. DEs who do that get run underneath unless you have a LB filling that gap. Sure, you may have your DE do that in obvious passing downs but not in situations where play action is a consideration. Isn’t that what we were talking about?

    • steveccnv says:

      I’d set the edge, and force everything back inside, but I’d know after a couple of steps, if it was run or pass. The guys that get run underneath aren’t watching the ball. Again you get run underneath in the NFL, because everything happens so fast. I’m talking HS, college is a little faster, and the NFL even faster, but college most aren’t so fast that they blow by you.

      No, you said play action only matters, if you fear the other team running it. On play action it freezes you, whether they can run it or not.

  4. sb7mvp says:

    We’re definitely watching different games. Unless, however you’re not watching the Cowboys replay on NFL network.

  5. Randy says:

    steve,
    Okay, you were a great defensive end. I’ve never seen it coached that way. That typically doesn’t work.

    • steveccnv says:

      You said play action only works when the D fears the O running it, and that’s just not true. I agree it works better with that fear, and it may be in some cases, but as a generalized statement it’s not.

  6. wyoming85 says:

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 36m36 minutes ago
    A stunner: Former starting center Bryan Stork is being released by the #Patriots today, I’m told. Crazy.

  7. Mike E. says:

    Starting to look really nice!

  8. BoulderPhinfan says:

    It looks like the first cuts will happen on Saturday so please finish your picks before Monday 12:00 am. Our 3rd game is this Thursday night so that should give everyone plenty of time to finish. thanks

    The 2016 Challenge link

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    • stangerx says:

      Boulder — think it is great that you have brought a lot of people we haven’t seen onto to your sheet.

      Cav Kong — phone home…..and I don’t mean the poster. 🙂

      • BoulderPhinfan says:

        I know looking at the list, there are a bunch of names that we haven’t seen in a while. Diggs, elephanrider, jomama etc….

      • stangerx says:

        But not just that….ones that filled in.

        Maybe we have created a non-safe space….yeah — LMAO.

  9. Mike E. says:

    Steve

    It was a joke, but OK . . .

  10. sb7mvp says:

    Random stuff…

  11. stangerx says:

    Not sure if Jarvis was just making waves on this or not, but either way I like it on the new fast tempo.
    ——————————–
    “I think you look at that game there were a couple of guys on their team throwing up while we were driving, so it’ll be interesting to see for four quarters if those d-lines can hold up against our tempo and the way we want to move the ball down the field,” Landry said.

    Miami offensive lineman Billy Turner was unable to confirm Landry’s version of the events. “I have no idea,” Turner said. “I didn’t see it, thank God.”

    Regardless, Turner sees the benefit of the offense moving quickly.

    “Whenever you’re in an offense where you don’t huddle, and don’t have to huddle, and you’re always on the ball, that creates a sense of chaos for the defense so they’re running around trying to get the right personnel on the field,” Turner said.

  12. Tim Knight says:

    No question some sacks were on RT but I couldn’t tell you the number. Also he might have held onto the ball too long hoping to make a play. If you’re constantly throwing the ball away due to pressure you’re not moving the ball that way either.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think a dozen is a fair estimate

      but its just an estimate at the end of the day

      there is no science to it

    • steveccnv says:

      There’s 3 parts to throwing the ball away. First is on 1st or 2nd down, you’ve got to get rid of it, you can’t hold it to lond and take a sack. On third down you need to hold onto it as long as possible, then when in FG range you don’t want to take a sack to knock you out of FG range or make the kick over 50.

  13. The Flying Pig says:

    I guess we can put away all that talk about the Hard Rock not being ready

    Its ready

  14. Tim Knight says:

    I’m not concerned if Wake plays in the PS at all. He’s a seasoned vet who I’d rather see play in meaningful games even if he just plays on passing downs early down.

  15. Randy says:

    Tim,
    I agree. Wake needs to save himself for the regular season. It seems like he’s worn down a little late in the past couple seasons. He doesn’t really need to actually play in PS games. He can do everything he needs in practice.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah and he wears down because he played a lot of snaps. Hopefully we can cut down his snaps with depth so he can be effective in the 4th qtr and throughout the season.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s also been playing on the other side of the 30 the last few years and he’s an undersized DE to begin with going up against guys with 50+ lbs. on him.

  16. The Flying Pig says:

    Sure Tim
    It looks nice

    but I had a different vision
    it really could have been something

    Imagine the great athletes from around the world
    on display for everyone at our stadium

    Ahh what it could have been
    the Sweat, the Glory, the Pork!

    I’m talking about the Greatest Athletes in the Work!!!

    but I guess we have to settle for the dump Ross built

  17. Randy says:

    Tim,
    Plus, the offense needs to start prolonging drives and not having so many 3 and outs. Everyone keeps talking about the uptempo offense, but thy forget the impact that has on the defense. If it works, great, but if it doesn’t, it puts a lot of pressure on the defense….and by the 4th quarter those defenders are gassed.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed. That’s why we need to run the ball more and score more often. Way too many 3 and outs.

      But part of the problem in recent years is the defense has allowed opening scores too often as well. We’d get down 7-0 and Lazor would abandon the running game. LOL

  18. Randy says:

    Tim,
    It seemed like we had a lot of games last year where the offense would play well, but the defense wouldn’t. Then, it’d flip the other way. We didn’t play very many complimentary football games. Hopefully, they can start putting together solid overall team performances.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Totally agreed on complimentary football. We were bad at it last year. We didn’t play enough competitive games either. We got our asses kicked way too often.

    • steveccnv says:

      This happens to all teams, with the rules what they are it’s really hard to stop offenses that get in a groove. You have to be able to adjust. If your O is struggling the D needs to pick them up and vice versa. Some unit is always going to struggle.

  19. The Flying Pig says:

    This is going well

  20. Mike E. says:

    I never wanted any part of Bosa, and now with this crap, he’s reinforcing my feelings. He’ll probably be a bust like his dad and his uncle, and he just wants “bust insurance” so when Spicoli decides he wants tasty waves and cool buds, and he’s fine. lol

  21. sb7mvp says:

    Bosa doesn’t want to end up working at All American Burger if his career doesn’t pan out.

  22. Rockphin says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    August 24, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    Usain LightningTrotters has won 5 gold medals this season

    plus he was awarded a blue ribbon after the season for “best ribs”

    Course that award was given posthumously.

  23. Tim Knight says:

    We could keep 5 RBs to start the season and then it could be a position where one gets released for other needs during the season or if one of them goes down you have that depth. 4 is the likely number but I wouldn’t be shocked at 5 to start the season.

  24. BoulderPhinfan says:

    tim,
    if we do keep 3 TEs the third TE is not on the team right now IMO. Duarte is gonna go to PS. He hasn’t shown anything in camp from everything I’ve read.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not so sure about that. He made some plays in the PS too. He’s a hybrid who can be a mismatch against LBs and safeties. He can be in the lineup as a TE where teams don’t sub a DB in nickel and then he spreads out and becomes a 3rd receiver. Gase believes in mismatches.

  25. The Flying Pig says:

    From what I read, Omar seems to think Duarte is not likely to make the final 53

    But I look a Duarte as a mismatch guy like Tim said
    no urgency to rush him into any role
    But I would want him as our #3 behind Sims for now
    and maybe try to get him on the field at some point during the season

    • Tim Knight says:

      Cameron is prototype size at TE at 6-5 265 and can get open down the field. Sims is your typical big man TE at 6-4 270 who can chip DEs, block LBs and who can sneak out from time to time as a receiver. Duarte is a hybrid TE/H-back/Receiver at 6-3 240.

  26. steveccnv says:

    There’s an article on MSN the 10 biggest mistakes in the offseason. Of course our RB situation not signing Lamar was listed, but we sucked last year running the ball. If only we had to been so cheap, WTF, it’s about the salary cap not the amount of his contract, these idiots, SMH.

  27. The Flying Pig says:

    I was under the impression that Bosa would be playing 3-4 DE and not OLB

    Its a wasted pick to have him at OLB
    He is a power guy

  28. Randy says:

    steve,
    That is true. It happens to everyone. I just meant it felt like it happened to us a lot last year….like weekly. Lol I do think the two sides can feed off each other too. We need to see more of that.

    • steveccnv says:

      If you have that you get a blowout, or a win over a top team. We’ve had several blowouts the past couple of years, but more times not.

  29. Rockphin says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    August 24, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    And Usain stood on the podium defiantly with one trotter raised in the air

    Actually all for Trotters were up in the air and then facing the ground and then up in the air and then facing the ground as the spit he was mounted on rotated over the fire.

    There was no defiance at all

    The best you can achieve with a little Revenge when everyone who consumed him had a little bit of gas

  30. wyoming85 says:

    James Walker
    ESPN Staff Writer

    Dolphins players not traveling to Orlando for thisr preseason game against the Falcons: DT Earl Mitchell, LB Zach Vigil, CB Chris Culliver, QB Matt Moore and LB James-Michael Johnson. Obviously those players are out for tomorrow.

  31. steveccnv says:

    Nothing out of the ordinary, good.

  32. steveccnv says:

    Bryan Stork not released, instead traded to Redskins for conditional pick

  33. Rockphin says:

    Only the Cheatriots can a ounce they are releasing a player and the get trade compensation for them. SMH. Belicheat’s videographers obviously tape more than practices.

  34. Rockphin says:

    Fucking Siri and auto correct!! Announce not a ounce

  35. Rockphin says:

    Why would autocorrect “correct” something to improper grammar? It would be AN ounce never a ounce!

  36. Mike E. says:

    Steve

    Will Pouncey soon be traded for a conditional pick?

  37. Mike E. says:

    I think they drafted Bosa to play 3-4 OLB. He’s a dick, and he’s going to bust. It’s in his genes.

  38. son of a son of a shula says:

    I’ll be at the game tomorrow. Can’t wait.
    I’m gonna give Suh the stink eye to try and piss him off and given the opportunity I’ll kick Tannehill in the ass, lol.

    Camping World Stadium is what it’s called now, Citrus Bowl is what we’ll always call it.

  39. sb7mvp says:

    Trade pouncey and suh for CBs and LBs= playoffs

    • The Flying Pig says:

      No on trading Suh

      You need those players behind Suh and that = playoffs

      • sb7mvp says:

        Suh needs to lead and make the people around him better. Get rid of the recliners in the film room until they earn them.

      • as soon as you see things like recliners in the film room you know guys aren’t going to take their jobs seriously. if you’re a professional in any walk of life you never relax. you’re always looking to get better at what you do and you set an example. you want to relax you do it on vacation or at home.

  40. wyoming85 says:

  41. steveccnv says:

    I go back and watch the play that Landry catches the ball on the deflection, he catches it at the 2 they push him back to the 8, the fuckin idiot side judge (10 seconds after the catch was made) spots the ball on the 8, then gives the penalty down to the 4, half the distance.

    For the record we need Pouncey, Steen is a JAG.

  42. steveccnv says:

    We’ll be fine, if Steen has to start a couple of games, but he isn’t close to Pouncey. He may be some day, but not yet.

    • well, Pouncey has been adequate and get’s the job done the majority of the time but, again, some talk like he’s an elite C. maybe he is in this day and age because what passes for good, great or elite isn’t quite the same as what it used to be but Pouncey is weak; he’s weak in his run blocking and I’ve seen him get beat in pass blocking plenty of times. He’s okay, but IMO he’s overrated.

  43. steveccnv says:

    My 9 OL:
    Albert, Tunsil, Pouncey, Bushrod, James, Steen, Young, Urbik, and John. My favorite backup is Sam Young, he’s so damn big and has good power and uses leverage. I like Urbik too, he uses leverage to gain power. Steen gets the job done, but doesn’t use leverage to his advantage, he blocks to straight up. John seems to be alright too, but haven’t watched him much. DT63, Turner, Douglas these guys are horrible, enough already.

  44. steveccnv says:

    At the end of the 3rd Qtr against Dallas the OL was John, Tunsil, Urbik, Steen, Young (L to R), with Pead at RB. We moved down the field, but the drive stalled inside the 10. This is the best backup unit I’ve seen on our team in a long time. I’m ok with any of these guys going into the game with the starters.

    • Ulrick John had one of the worst games I’ve ever seen from one of our o-linemen vs Dallas. Absolutely horrible. Gives up a sack, has a ball batted by the DE he’s blocking, gets whooped on a run block for a loss. Sam Young is Jason Fox 2.0. If you watched him play with the Jags you’d know this. He’s been beaten more times than the dead horse I’ve beaten when talking about Tannehill. Tunsil and the TE were the two guys who made the blocks to spring Pead on the long run he had to that side. John came off the line and didn’t block anyone until he was past 5 yds down the field. The only thing worse than Urbik playing G was Urbik as the 3rd string C. The depth on this line SUCKS.

      • steveccnv says:

        Maybe you need to watch the games again. I just watched most of the offensive plays from both games. The play with Young downfield blocking on the Pead long run was against the Giants. Obviously he didn’t make it against the Cowboys, because it was on the other side.

        I saw that run block you’re saying John missed, the play was to the right, Damien took it back left for some stupid reason, Young had his man pushed so far to the right that Damien had a 10 yard wide hole.

      • No, I don’t need to watch them again. The depth on the line sucks.

      • steveccnv says:

        You piss and moan about RT, you can’t tell when a runner goes the wrong way, a batted ball against an OL is a death sentence, I’m starting to think you don’t know how to evaluate play.

  45. getterdone says:

    Steen is green….he was highly touted coming from a great program @ Bama. He’s versatile, but this is his 1st time @ C. He’s in his 2nd year and spent most of his rookie year on PS. He should come into his own soon, and I wouldn’t doubt if he eventually outplays Pouncey….he’ll be smarter with the line calls for sure!

    • steveccnv says:

      Of the 4 backup OL I mentioned, Steen is the weakest right now, but he plays smart. I don’t really know why they have him ahead of Urbik at Center.

  46. steveccnv says:

    I haven’t seen enough of Young to know what the problem is of why he isn’t getting the recognition, maybe he has a problem with speed rushers, because he looks a little slow, but with his size and reach he makes up for it.

  47. steveccnv says:

    August 24, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    Steen doesn’t suck, he’s just not a starting center, he was better against the Giants, but he did get pancaked on one pass block right in front of Moore.
    ===============
    And there you have it. Steen was never pancaked in front of Moore. Moore had three plays; the third of which was when he was knocked out of the game.

  48. steveccnv says:

    What’s the professor mean in your name?

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