WoodiyGuthrie might have an opinion about “the good man” you seem to “know” (Trump’s dad) as if you’ve made Sunday ‘gravy’ together. Some people lived in the time of “this good man” you have evaluated.
ok all have a nice night, i had a wild ass night last night just learning some things about people who need help but wont take the help handed to them. you all take care. have a good night
Here are the lyrics…. just in case some here may want to consider me a “crazy liberal”:
Old Man Trump
Words by Woody Guthrie, Music by Ryan Harvey
I suppose that Old Man Trump knows just how much racial hate
He stirred up in that bloodpot of human hearts
When he drawed that color line
Here at his Beach Haven family project
Beach Haven ain’t my home!
No, I just can’t pay this rent!
My money’s down the drain,
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower
Where no black folks come to roam,
No, no, Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!
I’m calling out my welcome to you and your man both
Welcoming you here to Beach Haven
To love in any way you please and to have some kind of a decent place
To have your kids raised up in.
Beach Haven ain’t my home!
No, I just can’t pay this rent!
My money’s down the drain,
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower
Where no black folks come to roam,
No, no, Old Man Trump!
There are things I don’t like about Trump, he’s going to need a crash course in public behavior, but just because one comes across polished in that regard (read Hilary), doesn’t mean her heart is any purer than the Donald’s.
I go by what I know personally. Fred Trump donated the building that that was to become my congregations first temple. He donated the land and donated money to the community I lived in so we could have a little league field, with an equipment shack, and a concession stand. I’m not going to question what rental practices he had 50 years ago.
I don’t feel bad D, if I felt bad, I wouldn’t have mentioned it. I’m giving Rhino the benefit of an explanation, but he needn’t agree with it, I just thought he deserved that much, so I gave him one. The discussion is over. I also don’t need to hear why he would vote for Hilary, I don’t want to hear it, because I don’t care why, I wouldn’t agree with it anyway.
I disagree Rhino. If you do not have a candidate you feel you would like to endorse, you shouldn’t vote just to vote. That’s as irresponsible as not voting when you do have one. This is the first time I have been in a situation where I do not want either candidate to be my President. A vote for either might be the deciding got that gets them in and I don’t want to be responsible for that travesty.
If I wrote off everyone I know who will vote for Hillary, I’d have major issues with my family and friends. That’s not gonna happen. I’m not voting for either of the two candidates either.
MikeE,
Fred Trump is the documented defendant in court cases (that Guthrie wrote songs about, but is not the “source of accusation” … come on!). Then they are sued AGAIN in the 70s where they have to settle…. cuz its cheaper than being found guilty. So… NO … it’s not because Guthrie ‘said’… its what he DID.
MikeE… you’ve said many times you support Kasich…. who in turn refuses to support Trump on moral and political grounds. YOU are a ship without a rudder. Kasich stands his ground. You do not.
be careful.. you are risking “not being agreed with anyway”. But then again, you are a consistent contributor so you should be ‘forgiven’ your liberal transgressions. 🙂
Piggy,
I have a stringent support for freedom in the sense that IF someone is physically or verbally assaulted for his/her identity… they do not experience the same ‘freedom’ as the rest of us. I have never feared for my physical safety for being ‘straight’. BUT, I have students who have been beaten senseless for being gay… I have been in a mosque when shots were fired into the building from “defenders of ‘merica”. My wife goes to mass with me… I go to mosque with her. Trump goes to neither. I’m sick and tired of being told by conservatives (whatever that means anymore) of what America “should be” compared to my experiences of what America is.
I don’t disagree with the content of what you are saying
However I will say, there is a slippery slope when you talk about speech vs intimidation
I think we have to be careful about legislating speech
Even if that speech oppresses groups of people
But I expect our leader to be a diplomat
And being able to use speech in a way that encourages people and does not objectify them
trump fails that way IMO
I hope other will read our posts in the a.m. after drinking some coffee. I honestly could have supported most of the other Republican candidates over Trump (ahem, yeah, I’m looking at you Ben Carson… he with a portrait of himself with Jesus. LOL come on man). Even (throws up in mouth) Ted Cruz is more trustworthy than Trump. I’m not ready for our country to become part of Trump’s fictitious empire.
btw, I invite fin fans to berate me and challenge me for the next 30 days. I’d rather lose friendships than lose America’s credibility and credit rating. !!
Piggy,
thanks for being diplomatic. Please know that I am not targeting but simply expressing my incredulity at Trump’s marginalization of American citizens. And, MikeE… historically, racists put white Christian men at the top, then white Jewish men, then white men of any religion, then non-white men, then white women, then… way at the bottom are black women. The layoff trends in financial crises support this hierarchy. Black men got the “vote” 50 years before women. Ex-slave could vote before the wives of white presidents. THIS should tell us about our nation’s attitudes toward women. Trump is the poster child of this attitude. I have two daughters in the Ivy League (not bragging but at least they met criteria), my wife is an M.D…. how the hell can I accept Trump’s archaic attitudes? Fuck his narrow definitions. No more marginalization. Citizenship means equality. No more hyphens… my wife is “muslim-American” or “Pakstani-American” but I don’t have to say “catholic-American” or “Irish-American”…. so… Piggy… I think you know what I mean. 🙂
Don’t “Ask Mike”… hey Mike!! … ask yourself !…would you leave your daughters in a room with Trump? #women are citizens too
If you think it’s ok to grab a woman without her consent (because of stardom)… YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE and a criminal. [I await your retribution.. I welcome the loss of your respect]
What happend to Columbo? Isnt today Sunday? I always watch Columbo on Sunday night…
What the Hell is going on here? Access Hollywood? WHAT THE HELL!
I’m very confused!
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bookman11 says:
October 9, 2016 at 8:40 pm
Isn’t it on ME TV? I dvr it every Sunday
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son of a son of a shula says:
October 9, 2016 at 8:41 pm
How can anyone post after that?
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Bookman
Did your DVR get him?
So I can go to the fest with some optimism
And enjoy the experience which is less about what is going on on the field
I feel like I’m wasting my Sundays
I didn’t enjoy the game yesterday at all
I watched it at slatterys and the guy next to me is screaming at the tv
The other people there are no better
It’s become miserable
It’s no fun anymore watching the games
It’s just me getting mad
I’ll be honest. I’m really not happy with Gase at the moment. I’m also not happy with VJ. I don’t understand how coaches can know the situation but do nothing about it.
First, how VJ can leave his CB’s on an island vs Green when he was the DB’s coach at Cincy previously. Is he that stupid?
Second, knowing the situation with the o-line and Gase doesn’t provide max protect on obvious passing downs but, instead, opts to let the d-line to continue to get pressure and shut down the offense.
In addition, the fact that we ran the ball pretty successfully and then he comes out all pass happy afterwards despite still being in the game.
I don’t know what the concept is here or what’s going on, if it’s a situation where they don’t have a clue or if they are trying to see who can get the job done to make better personnel assessments but it’s frustrating watching those google eyes on the sideline looking clueless.
I agree Lou, however, on the play in which Morgan almost beheaded Tannehill, both Bushrod and Ajayi let him by without laying a finger on him. Nothing they could have done about that. That said, I am less than impressed by them at the moment.
Looking ahead at the schedule, we will easily be wither 2-6 or 1-7 by the time we have to make back to back west coast trips. Upcoming games are home vs. Pitt, who is firing on all cylinders right now, Buff, who seems to be currently hitting their stride, and NYJ, who always give us a problem. It’s going to be a long season.
I know, but we can’t seem to figure Buffalo out, and Rex is there now so that won’t make it any easier as he knows our team very well (blitz Tannehill anyone?). I honestly don’t think we have a shot in hell this week.
yeah, Rex will blitz the shit out of Tannehill this week. Last year BUF got a pick six because of one blitz. I’m expecting two or three int’s in this next game because of the pressure BUF will bring and knowing that I’m expecting Gase to drop the ball and not provide any additional protection against the blitz by keeping extra blockers in.
In addition, there’s things you can do to slow the pass rush down and all HC’s and OC’s know this but Gase doesn’t seem to want to employ them. How about setting up a screen to a rb every once in awhile or a few bubble screens here and there.
There’s plays you can use to catch the defense in a bad position when they bring all that pressure but Gase seems clueless or doesn’t like to use those plays. Don’t understand it.
I expected more from this offense. Thought we’d be putting up more points with the weapons we’ve got and be able to score from almost any place on the field but IMO the play calling is worse than it was with Lazor here.
Why does it seem that every game we hear something to the effect of “First TD of the year by… first sack of the year by …first int of the year by…” over and over?
yeah, it would have been nice if Gase didn’t pull the plug on the run game yesterday so we could hear “Ajayi with his first 100 yd game of the season.”
We were starting to click with the run and were still in the game but for some reason the Goonie Bird decided to pull the plug.
The climate of the world was pretty different 50 years ago. I lived in the neighborhood where the Beach Haven building was, less than a mile away, in subsidized rental buildings called Trump Village. Now I can tell you, since I lived there, there just weren’t any black people in my area. Now Fred Trump didn’t own ALL the real estate in my area, (I know EVERYONE was racist!). Blacks lived in Coney Island which was just a couple of miles away, although there was a small community that was primarily Italian, and then deeper in towards Sea Gate, a very wealthy private community located at the end tip of Coney Island, where again there were no black people. Fred Trump didn’t own real estate in Sea Gate either FWIW. It’s not a proud moment in America, but I can tell you from experience what happened in Canarsie Brooklyn about 25 years later. Canarsie was a mixed community of Jewish, Italian, Irish, and Hispanic people. Somewhere around 1990, people decided to leave Canarsie, and sell their houses to black people. Other white homeowners threatened other homeowners if they sold to black people, there would be consequences (read retaliation), and then eventually, there was basically a mass exodus of white people in Canarsie, and mass influx of black people. Mind you, I’m not condoning this type of thing, but it’s a reality, and I’m sure back in the 1960’s, Fred Trump and other real estate moguls understood that this is what would happen to their real estate properties as well.
About 15 years later, say about 2006, we took my kids to Canarsie to show them where my wife grew up, her house, the neighborhood etc. The house was still there, as were all the houses around it as well, but it looked like a neighborhood of prison houses. Every house now had iron gates in front, iron bars on all the windows, every single one. OK, so the neighborhood was basically all black now, why the bars and gates? I’m not being racist, I’m just reporting to you what we saw. Are they trying to keep the white people out? Keep themselves out? Sad situation, but it is what it is. While you may not want to accept reality for what it is, back in the 1960’s, it was quite different.
I went to Abraham Lincoln High School in Brighton Beach. I started in 1978, and graduated in 1980. I would say Lincoln High was about 60% black, 40% white. Black people were bused in from Coney Island to Lincoln. There weren’t any race riots, blacks and whites got together, or at least as well as whites and whites,or any other any ethnicity and another. I had many black friends in HS. I was so disappointed when I went to my 15 year reunion, that not one black person, friend or otherwise was at the reunion. Anyway, just thought I’d discuss what I know, what I saw, what I lived. I’m not saying that the actions Fred c. Trump, and many other real estate developers took aren’t racist, but I also don’t think they were wrong in the fact that they made wise business decisions. Call me a racist, that’s fine, it would be a meaningless sling anyway, I know who and what I am. Hope this clears my feelings up for you.
This aspect that most don’t understand Mike is a lot of what you say is cultural, and has nothing to do with race. Sure there are racist people out there, and always will be, but a lot of what happens in America, and what some perceive as race, is born of culture.
Just saw your 1:39AM post. I’ll do you one better. I don’t have a daughter, so I can’t answer that part, but I ask myself would I leave Hillary Clinton in charge of my country, and the answer to that, is a resounding NO! Thank you!
well, I have TWO daughters… both in college… and they both laugh/cringe at Trump because he acts like an entitled frat boy … using people around him like objects. If you get your way, I guess we can expect Trump to “promote” or “brand” our problems away.
With options like that I feel like REV. Jim standing at the polling place saying “Well, I guess I’ll vote for this one”. If Johnson wasn’t on the ballot I wouldn’t even be voting for President this election.
and you’d most certainly lose (but thanks for continuing the projection, or conjecture). I have voted 3rd party in 8 presidential elections, because 3rd party is how our political system absorbs issues and reforms our society. I’ve never considered it a ‘wasted vote’. This year, however, despite the nationwide realization that we are choosing between the “Browns and Jaguars”, I have to take the ‘career politician’ over the ‘career conman’.
Bash gov’t all you want… we are the third largest nation to have ever existed on this planet. Our economic interests literally touch every continent. Yet people somehow think this massive enterprise (in terms of population and GNP) can be managed like a mom and pop shop. I have voted 3rd party primarily for campaign reform because we haven’t yet solved the problem of combining experience with the influence of $.
The Constitution was written with the understanding that experience in governing MATTERS… see the election rotation for Congress that ensures new representatives are mixed with those with ‘on the job’ experience.
Trump scammed the Republican Party in the primaries that the Executive branch should never have been in public service… ever! And many in the GOP are responding ‘against’ the head of the ticket in a way that I can’t find an historical parallel. So, yes, there is a difference between politician and conman.
I required my A.P. students to watch the debate last night. Just as the Republican primary candidates got sucked into Trump’s approach, Hillary did the same thing. We deserve better than MTV Reality …. we deserve better than “watch for entertainment… what might be said”. I felt the country’s IQ drop like a thermostat during the first cold front. 😦
The Republican party is BUSTED, and has been busted for too long. Trump shares very few true Republican values, yet not one of the candidates they put up against him beat him. It doesn’t really matter how many now denounce Trump, it’s irrelevant, he was never their choice, but he beat all comers they put up against him, and therefore, he is where is now. Maybe they learned their lesson, but probably not.
The GOP allowed this to happen. They did not adequately build up and support a candidate over the last four years, which enabled this type of situation to happen.
Besides that, it’s so hypocritical when these politicians then back these candidates when they don’t agree on a damn thing. Stay true to yourself, and don’t back them! That NEVER happens, because of the party. That’s a farce in and of itself
Last word. MikeE…, if I offended you in any way, I am truly sorry. I know it’s hard to NOT personalize politics. I clearly remember blog posts where you supported Kasich. The Republican primary was a cluster fuck but I found Kasich to be the only true public servant on the stage. It seems I too am guilty of conjecture for expecting his supporters to follow his lead. The Republican party is in the midst of an internal ‘civil war’… Trump will drag our political process deeper into the gutter than ever before (we’ve seen it in the primaries and the general election) Economically I am ‘conservative’ but socially ‘liberal’. I teach in 18th poorest county in the U.S. and I teach/model that there is honor in hard work, to feel proud about paying bills… that “rich doesn’t equal patriotic… service to others and to community equals patriotic” (this is what the founders tried to model through civic duty… like jury duty).
I conducted a teacher inservice at TCU this past Saturday and asked a question: “for those future students just now being born… when they are in our classes, how do we teach this election?” I’ve never asked that question before, and it disturbed me to not be able to answer that even in my own mind.
Forget Trump’s morality (we Americans tend to use this to a fault)…. making money through bankruptcy after bankruptcy is THE financial corruption that is the exact opposite of public service.
There. done. Again, I am sorry for anything I may have said that may have insinuated a lack of respect for you as a person. You have a right to choose and change your mind in any way that you want. I won’t back down from my same right, and hope that separating the ‘person’ from the current choice we all have to make will be mutual. 🙂
Thanks Rhino, no apology necessary. I understand where you’re coming from for the most part, and to this day, I wish it was Kasich that won the nomination, but it didn’t happen. I don’t even know how to describe myself politically, I’m economically conservative, socially I’m a mixed bag, I’m not a pro-lifer, I think women should ultimately make that decision as to whether they want a child or not, but up to a certain time of the pregnancy. As far as women being raped or incest, I think that poor soul should have the right to abort at any time. As recent as just a few years ago, I was against gay marriage, I always felt marriage was between a man and a woman. I’m softening my feelings on that to the extent I’m for it now, and I think to go back from that would be a huge mistake. You just can’t do that. Although i didn’t agree with it at a time, I’ve seen enough to realize I was wrong, and people deserve to be happy with one another, and marriage is a dedication of love, which should have no gender rules attached. If a man loves man, or a woman loves a woman, so be it. On the other hand, I think the PC crowd is getting entirely out of control, and I think that’s a liberal agenda I can do without. It needs to be curbed in my opinion. Anyway, nice talk, and it’s nice to know we can respectfully carry on this dialogue, and still say what we feel. I hope nothing I’ve said insulted you either. Peace Rhino
Denver and Minnesota have showed why defense still matters over offense.
Even when the Fins had QB such as Damon Huard and RB named Karim Abdul-Jabbar, they got into the playoffs behind a strong defense.
I’m starting to wonder if half or most of these ‘offensive’ minded coaches can’t hack it in the risk/reward category that is needed in the head coaching role.
GB has arguably the best QB in the game and they have only 1 SB appearance to show for it and have been bested by strong defensive showings against them in multiple playoff exists.
The Patriots had issues getting back to the SB up until they shored up their defense.
This is true Al, but we have a LONG way to go until we shore up the D. IMO, it starts with trading Suh. We are not going to be good until his contract expires, and he is not making a difference whatsoever. Call it scheme, the cast surrounding him, his subpar play, or all of the above, but the prudent business decision is to float his name out there and see what type of offer comes back.
I disagree Rhino. If you do not have a candidate you feel you would like to endorse, you shouldn’t vote just to vote. That’s as irresponsible as not voting when you do have one. This is the first time I have been in a situation where I do not want either candidate to be my President. A vote for either might be the deciding got that gets them in and I don’t want to be responsible for that travesty.
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Rhino says:
October 9, 2016 at 11:50 pm
Who said I don’t have a candidate? Your comment exactly supports what I am arguing. Donald Trump IS the travesty of which you speak.
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I was disagreeing with your statement towards me that no voting wasn’t acceptable. I know oyu have a candidate, i dont because i feel the exact same about Hillary as you and I both do about Trump….. Im not voting for him, im not pro Trump, im actually the exact guy you are talking abotu before who feels that he has made a mockery of the Republican party, your opinion that Hillary is different is where we differ.
So Laremy Tunsil actually slipped in the shower and hurt his ankle. How many times has he heard “Don’t pick up the soap!” ? lol
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So stoned that he forgot where the floor was?
One thing i think you need to think about Rhino with these rants is the idea that everyone has rights, doesn’t exclude those who have different ones than you. For whatever reason, those that support Trump have their reasons, and you telling them they are wrong, or chastising them for having positive viewpoints towards him, or his father, etc are not idiocy, they are an evaluation made by equally intelligent people as you. I don’t like him either, but i understand several here have their reasons and i feel OK to debate my opinion vs theirs, but at the end of the day i respect them enough to feel that these reasonable people have reasonable reasons.
I got Gary Johnson. Figures lol. My only issue with him is i dont feel i have enough exposure to him as a candidate to know if he is the right guy for me. If i were “forced” to vote, he would likely be my vote though.
I thought last night’s debate was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. The questions were dumb and had very little to do with what could improve the country. All I know is I can’t support either of the two major candidates. It’s depressing.
The questions (from the audience) are usually not so substantive in a town hall
but I thought the big problem with the debate was that there were not enough of those questions from the audience
Its usually a lot more questions and a lot more interactive than last night’s town hall
If I was grading both candidates on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the highest, I would be hard pressed to give either a score of over 2…combined….lol…They were both really bad
Hillary goes low and then says “we go high” and its a problem to me. She is avoiding criticism of her policies by referring go what Trump said constantly She is very tricky and I understand the criticsim and mistrust of her. She has every advantage in her favor and can’t put Trump away. And that is who Hillary has been her entire career and it makes you question her ability to perform a job to completion.
and Trump – he really doesn’t know what he is doing IMO and he doesn’t know how to speak and deliver a message. When I listen to trump speak I feel like I’m watching a powerpoint presentation without the presenter filling in the details. He really relies on talking points to the extent that they are nothing but talking points delivered. You have to agree with Trump already to agree with Trump in a debate. He is not persuading anyone to follow him at the debates who doesn’t already follow him. Granted, I would probably not agree with him if he were able to deliver a message clearly – but I can’t even disagree with him bc I don’t know what the fuck he is talking about. Its like watching a FoxNews highlight reel when he speaks. There are just fragments of ideas coming out of his mouth.
Reality TV seems to have taken over America, and last night’s debate was just more of the same. It’s become a personal attack parade on both sides. President’s have long been known to cheat on their wives, it’s been going on for quite some time, yet now, all of a sudden, and Bill Clinton’s behavior is all well documented, but a conversation that Trump had about women, one that I’d be confident enough to say that just about every guy here has had a similar one, is a big topic of the debate. It’s not even about what their plans are to improve the country, but an all out onslaught on each of the candidates character flaws. Other countries watching this must be shocked to see what it’s become.
I watched the debate with my wife, and wife has already made it clear that she can’t/won’t vote for Trump. After last night’s debate, she’s pretty sure she can’t vote for Hillary either. You’re right Piggy, she can’t seize the moment, one where it looked like she had Trump on the ropes. My thought was she had him in the beginning, had him reeling, but he rebounded and knocked her down, but she got back up, and the ugly fight was a probably a draw, but she should have knocked him out.
A lot of things Trump says drive me crazy. Like “She’s made bad decisions, very very bad, terrible decisions”. OK Donald, we get you think her decisions have been terrible, do you have to say it 50 times? On the other hand, Piggy is right again with Hillary’s LOW BLOW and then saying “when they go low, we go high” Really? Do you believe that’s what just happened? It’s bad, but who in the hell is picking these moderators? I think that’s part of the problem, they’re a panel of biased imbeciles. Lester Holt was so biased, and I was pretty sure Anderson Cooper was going to jump on stage and strangle Trump. He could barely hide his hatred. We need a better panel, or just one moderator that could do the job properly.
Mike E. says:
October 10, 2016 at 12:39 pm (Edit)
Reality TV seems to have taken over America, and last night’s debate was just more of the same. It’s become a personal attack parade on both sides. President’s have long been known to cheat on their wives, it’s been going on for quite some time, yet now, all of a sudden, and Bill Clinton’s behavior is all well documented, but a conversation that Trump had about women, one that I’d be confident enough to say that just about every guy here has had a similar one, is a big topic of the debate. It’s not even about what their plans are to improve the country, but an all out onslaught on each of the candidates character flaws. Other countries watching this must be shocked to see what it’s become.
It’s why we don’t have better candidates. No one wants to go thru the scrutiny of every thing they’ve said and done for their entire lives.
Trump is a meglomaniac with no impulse control. Hillary is a biotch. But given my worries about Trump’s emotional stability and the pressure on him, I was actually worried for Clinton at times last night. What was up with the stalking thing?
Our team is so bad this has turned into a political forum. On to the politics, Trump has one thing going for him. He has displayed what a joke our political system is, how corrupt it is, and how upset many people are with our leaders.
I talked to a guy who met with Trump kin the early 90s. He said that Trump was a completely different person. Literate, smart, driven. I think Trump still has no clue how he got this far and this was all intended as a another form of upgrade beyond his father. He really has no clue. His lack of control, understanding, and general ignorance is scary as hell.
What does that say about Hillary though?: Her and Billy have played corrupt politics since the 70s. They made 250 million dollars off being politicians the past 15 years. She has no respect for anyone. When I think public servant, she is literally the last person I could imagine looking out for the general public’s welfare. She allowed poor security as a SoS. She has colluded with a super PAC. She has colluded with the Democratic Party itself to get elected. She is willing to do anything for power and that’s pretty scary. She is connected to the political elite all over the world and her focus is a universal market where the rich get richer and more powerful as everyone else in the world is used like a cheap roll of toilet paper.
Gary Johnson is not an old school conservative and is almost as big of a clown as Trump. Jill Stein…I have no clue but how are we supposed to vote for this crap? Both parties need torn down but people are too lazy and selfish to move on this. It is even more sad than watching the Dolphins utter incompetence in all phases for the past few years. Are we really much better than the 1-15 squad?
That’s the only thing they can do right now. Keep working and try to improve. Not sure what to expect though. I don’t have a lot of confidence in this team. Too many flaws being exposed and it doesn’t seem to get fixed.
The way the team landslided in the 4Q was just an exact version of what this team is.
When RT held the ball too long, he got sacked, when he went back in a normal time he got sandwhiched due to terrible OT work. Then you had the stupid penalties on both offense/defense that gave 1st downs and took away touchdowns.
This team lacks consistency because it lacks talent. Being aware of situations and getting called for penalties IS a part of talent.
I also haven’t seen anything from this coaching staff that tells me they’re any better than philbin or sparano. I actually think sparano was a better coach that both philbin and gase.
What I don’t understand about RT is why he is holding onto the ball.
Gase should just tell him to throw into traffic…At this point who gives a shit if he makes the wrong read. His biggest problem is not having confidence in throwing into the 2ndary. You have to have big balls to be a QB. I don’t think Matt Moore is going to be any better were he in RT situation but Matt Moore is not shy about slinging it and sometimes that what you need back there.
Point isn’t Moore being better or worse it’s team needs a shake up and that’s one position that needs it. I think he needs it personally. He needs to step back and watch the game from a different vantage point. I think he also can shake some of the shell shock maybe find a center in himself.
Other benefits include not continuing to lower his value putting up stinker after stinker or running the risk if getting hurt and potentially lowering and trade offer.
We can’t get worse than we are because right now we are the worst team in the NFL. Same argument can be made for starting Doughty. See what he can do and if it’s no better, the it us what it is, we still suck but our rookie gets experience and he may actually read the defense a little better and he may actually avoid some pressure better and if he doesn’t oh well. What do we really have to lose?
I dont he is worse than sparano or philbins Boulder but you are right he hasn’t shown anything to know that, so I guess I still hold out hope he is just limited by most significantly the QB to run his offense and in Vance’s case, LB and CB to run his. I’m on thinking it’s personnel at this point but if they can’t get it together for last half of the season and just stop being embarrassed by other teams then yeah I’ll be more where you are.
The LB and corners as a whole have been garbage.D says:
October 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm
Point isn’t Moore being better or worse it’s team needs a shake up and that’s one position that needs it. I think he needs it personally. He needs to step back and watch the game from a different vantage point. I think he also can shake some of the shell shock maybe find a center in himself.
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Agree 100%….Drew Brees was benched at one point in his SD career in favor of Doug Flutie.
There is no reason why a benching would be seen as a permanent thing.
I don’t know what else the team can do from a defensive scheme standpoint.
I think Vance can try more 3-4 with Suh at the end or even get a bit more creative and put Suh at DE and use other options at DT. Suh got some DE work I believe last year in SD.
Problem with switching schemes is the personnel is different and we really dont have any true 3-4 LB’s…Butler MAYBE could man an 3-4 ILB but he is slow for the wide 9 concept. Phillips could move in at NT i think easily. I think Suh could move to 3-4 DE, Warmsley might even be able to transition to 3-4 DE, but we definately dont have the the ideal DE personnel for it either. Secondary is a mess and would still be a mess in this system. I dont think it helps right now.
I don’t think any teams runs one thing all game. Almost everyone runs both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes throughout a game. % wise, they keep the snaps one formation vs another. My definition of it is pre-snap look. Almost every defender who starts in the NFL has to know how to do both at any moment. No team can be that limited.
I think LB wise, the LB we have are not big and they have some wheels so it would seem to me that is the best way to use them (have them fly through the gaps since they cant thump anyone).
I think best for us and best for Tanny is either a departure from one another right now, or in off season. I feel bad for him in a lot of ways too, and maybe he could get a better chance with another team. Regardless of if he is cut or traded he will get another chance somewhere else, and that’s good, but i think we should make it sooner than later and try to strike while there is demand and/or he still has value, or we need to bench him a game or two with intention of going back to him after he has re-focused himself, maybe after the bye. This throwing him out there and watching him flounder, really isnt appealing to anyone, seems almost torturous.
I think confidence is a problem too now. He fears making mistakes then the mistake happens anyway and he’s probably thinking WTF does it take?
But like Gase said, it’s really easy to blame him but when I look at the whole play and know how it should look and the protection breaks down it looks awful and the QB gets blamed. He also thought on that one play that Tannehill was going to have his rotator cuff and his knee blown up. It go bad on a lot of levels yesterday.
D,
I agree that Gase hasn’t shown much yet. As I said at the beginning of the season, I’ll hold judgment on Gase until after the season. Lets see if he can get this team to show some progress. It shouldn’t be hard because there isn’t much lower we can go from here.
So far this year, and this is hard for me to believe, the coaching seems to be worse than last year. Especially on defense. Our game plans have been horrible and the adjustments made just pathetic. Yesterday we knew they were going to try to run the ball. What did our D do? we let them. We allowed them to run for 4,6,8,12,16,20 yard clips! Why were we EVER in the wide nine that game?
On offense, it seems the SOSO. abandon the run, too many screens, etc. Our players are not great or even good in some cases, but I think it’s the schemes / game planning that are really awful this year. A Cam Cameron exit would not surprise me. The real problem is Tannenbaum. He fucked the Jets and now he is fucking us. It’s a shame that it’s week 6 and I already want to blow the whole thing up!
I saw a lot of standard 4-3 too not even Wide 9 and we couldn’t stop the run. Even when we blitzed the run they got through at times. The tackling was some of the worst I’ve seen. That has nothing to do with scheme. I don’t care what you call if you don’t tackle you’re not stopping anything.
Maxwell doesn’t even look like he’s into playing football. I constantly saw #41 lagging around doing nothing. There was a reason he was benched last week. He had to play this week because Howard is out.
Tim,
Agree RT is getting killed back there but how can he go back and have confidence in the OL to do their job in certain situations? If you know your OT is getting you killed, you should be getting rid of the ball faster on every play including checking into 3 step drops instead of 5-7 step ones. Coaches should be doing that as well. 4Q with game nearly on the line with 5 min to go on 3rd down you have to know you have about 2 seconds to get rid of the ball and don’t have time to let the WR develop in their route but he waited and payed for it.
No doubt! He looked much slower with decision making. I guess he feels if he keeps just throwing short stuff we’re not going to get very far so he’s hoping for more big plays. It’s ironic he’s now hitting on deep balls much more and throwing some really nice ones and now we can’t put drives together. Does it ever end? LOL
At this point I’m down to put Misi back at MLB.
He will probably mess up from time to time in terms of directional runs but he sure as hell isn’t going to wiff inside like Kiko does often
Maxwell doesn’t even look like he’s into playing football. I constantly saw #41 lagging around doing nothing. There was a reason he was benched last week. He had to play this week because Howard is out.
I saw Suh on SEVERAL plays just jogging around the perimeter of the action too. There was no effort there. If he isn’t “rushing the passer” he doesn’t want to try. On run downs when everyone knows it’s a run down he still penetrates too deep past the play. The damn O-lines just let him. He takes himself out of plays by being 5 yards in the back field when the run has passed him for 8 yards already.
Maxwell looks turrible just turrible. No doubt in my mind why he got benched for Howard. Howard, although he makes mistakes give effort every play and he hits like he enjoys it.
Our line backers suck. HOWEVER it’s hard to play LB when the DT’s don’t even make contact with the guards. Suh’s whole game is to try an penetrate the O-line. The O-line let’s him on some plays. The guard just side steps him and then runs out clean to block our LB while Suh is turning around 10 yards behind the play next to the QB.
lmfao.
It blows.
I think on the play where Marriota ran for 20 yards and a 1st down in the 4Q, both DT were stuck in the same area near the C-RG position. How the F can two guys be in the same area like that.
I don’t know. Sometimes I think they would be more successful just laying down in front of the O-line. At least then they would have to run around or jump over our DT’s. as it is now they don’t have to worry about them. They are out of the play / picture. Next snap Suh, JUST STAND THERE it will be more effective against the run than what you are doing.
LMAO! It would just make sense that we shock Pittsburgh and win that game, and then the Fest game, we get blown out by BUF, Tannehill gets injured and out for the season, and we leave at halftime or early 3rd QTR and have more Festivus in the parking lot, like we did at the TEN game a few years back
R1P3 Jalen Tabor CB UF
(Received from Cleveland, via Philidelphia as Part of the trade for Ryan Tannehill)
R1P16 Derek Barnett DE UTenn
R2P3 Zach Cunningham ILB/OLB Vanderbilt
(alt pick Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss if managing off the field him doesnt seem it would be too much of a risk)
(R3P3 traded to Minnesota 2016)
R3P34 Luke Faulk QB Washington State (comp pick Vernon)
(alt pick from above scenario, Bryan Cox Jr DE UF)
R4P3 Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
(R4P34 Traded to Minnesota 2016, comp pick Miller)
R5P3 Damore’ea Stringfellow WR Ole Miss
R6P3 Greg Pyke OG Georgia
R6P34 Clint Van Horn OG/OT Marshall (comp pick Matthews)
R7P3 Quincy Adeboyejo WR Ole Miss
I would get Jamie Collins ILB/OLB NE and Kevin Zeitler OG CIN in n FA, Id resign Alonzo and Jenkins, but let all other FA’s walk, or some of the contributing ones be re-signed to backup contracts. I would not break the bank to keep either Alonzo or Jenkins.
Obviously this hinges on the trade of Tannehill, and it probably isnt a likely scenario, but Cleveland is pretty desperate at the QB spot. Id probably even take their second, which is practically a first in trade if they countered with that. If we cant get a trade for him, id still go about my draft and FA scenario as above just drop out the second first round pick.
I would be very happy if next year out secondary was any combination of Lippett, Howard, Tabor as far as CB1, CB2, NB that i think would be solid secondary with Lippett and Howard another year into starting experience. Id bail on Maxwell now and just get those guys some reps. We need to start looking at the reality. This season isnt salvageable, we need to start getting young guys some experience, especially at the CB positions.
Dont feel Misi helps us much at any of the LB positions. I would rather see them experiment with putting Hull in there over Misi. Misi is not going to be here next year in a starting capacity.
I usually watch the game really close and i can tell you which players did what wrong, ill even go back and watch on reply plays where we got gashed so i can see who cocked up the play. I am so over this team right now i couldn’t even begin to tell you those things in the last game. I was just so over it i didn’t want to sift through that shit. Its always been with hope that if i see it, then the coaches will see it and fix it, but not happening so why bother.
Mike
To pick up on your earlier posts
I think the moderators are biased, to the extent that they hate Trump and it shows
I was taken back when Martha Raddatz argued with Trump “sometimes that’s what General do”
Justifying an argument is not her role to do
and I don’t think she knows what she is talking about in that regard anyway
I thought that was the low point in terms of moderating
when they don’t understand that they cannot argue with the candidates its a problem
But honestly I think Trump has created this problem
and I think Trump wants that problem
I think he wants to be viewed as a victim of the biased media
The thing is Lester Holt was run all over by Trump in the first debate
and his peers noticed (I think he was biased to but it was only in the subject of what he was asking rather than his demeanor)
So I think Cooper and Raddatz went in to try to put the foot down
and then they end up favoring Clinton when they do that
But what are you going to do if you are a moderator
and the guy on the panel interrupts so much and tries to hijack the debate
its a fine line you are asking the moderators to walk
They have to stop ask the candidates to follow the rules (and Trump won’t) and they have to try not to favor one. How you appear fair when one child is being the brat?
Clinton is really polished, and yes FAKE, including that smile you mentioned.
When her times runs out – she goes over – but you can hear her giving the impression she is closing even though its goes over.
Trump is told by the moderator his time is up, and its like he feels like he barely got started
And then the interuptions
Honestly I don’t think this thing would be a circus if it weren’t for Trump
and that’s why I want him nowhere near politics ever
to me he brings down the whole thing to a Jerry Springer show
That’s what I meant with Lester Holt, his questions were meant to take Trump down, simple as that. Of what import did the question about Obama’s birth certificate have in the first debate? Does that really have anything to do with what his policies or plans to improve the country are? Absolutely not.
I care about Trumps response to the birther issue. bc its one of the first reasons I began to despise him like I obviously do.
But yes I agree – right from the get go to insist its talk about and corner Trump about it, is not what a moderator should do.
I’m okay with them asking the candidates tough questions
but when He opened the last debate like that – it was going to slide into a place that was hard to recover from
And honestly I think Trump contributes with his defensiveness which was borderline meltdown in debate #1
And Hillary lays the bait out
and then Trump digresses again
So I don’t view Hillary in a positive light for exploiting it
but that was the first debate
I though Trump did a better job of avoiding the “Hillary bait” and talking about what he wanted to talk about this time
But unfortunately, whenever he talks, its empty to me
Its a lot of nothing
When I hear Trump speak I feel like I just read the cliff notes on a book called “How to pretend you know what you are talking about when you actually don’t”
Sorry about all the political posts
and absolutely no football posts
“I can’t even” is the best way I can describe how I feel about the Dolphins
I’m not even close to be able to have a reasonable conversation about the Dolphins right, not even with the even keel Tim, who always keeps perspective – I just hate all things Dolphins right now
and I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnell
So politics as well as life and work is a distraction right now
I’m pretty sure its supposed to be the other way around
which is another reason to hate the Dolphins
that is how bad the Dolphins are right now, I need real life distracts me from them….lol
LOL, thanks. I have no energy to talk about what the team can do to improve or strategy etc. because none of it ever happens. I look at the team as broken.
Exactly
like what if the format was
the first part of 1/3 of the debate is “the economy”
the 2/3 is “foreign policy”
and the 3rd can be “domestic policy”
and they can go form there
they can insert the mudslinging as they see fit
my guess is
that requires the candidates to cooperate with one another
I have no desire to even watch the rest of the season. First time in my life I can say that and I watched every game (except the Baltimore game) in 2007. There is nothing on this roster worth my time outside of Landry and Jones.
Just year after year of bad decisions and bad teams.
Of course I’m lying and will end up watching the rest. I’m into torture I guess.
No guarantees, but I’m hoping we finally get someone in here that will be patient and slowly build up the roster. Jax, Oakland, Rams are a few examples of teams that have built slowly and have a lot of nice talent on their rosters. Minnesota has done a nice job too. Just be smart and patient. That’s all I ask….
That would essentially mean a total housecleaning. T-Bomb would have to go first, and Ross would have to give the new GM total control, which means Gase would be gone.
(Header from CBS Sports)
Finsmob Unleashed 
MikeE votes for Trump. Fuck ME. As it turns out, I really Do NOT have credibility for judgement of character. 😦 Ask Mike?: WTF is my question.
WoodiyGuthrie might have an opinion about “the good man” you seem to “know” (Trump’s dad) as if you’ve made Sunday ‘gravy’ together.
Some people lived in the time of “this good man” you have evaluated.
https://woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/Old_Man_Trump.htm
ok all have a nice night, i had a wild ass night last night just learning some things about people who need help but wont take the help handed to them. you all take care. have a good night
Here are the lyrics…. just in case some here may want to consider me a “crazy liberal”:
Old Man Trump
Words by Woody Guthrie, Music by Ryan Harvey
I suppose that Old Man Trump knows just how much racial hate
He stirred up in that bloodpot of human hearts
When he drawed that color line
Here at his Beach Haven family project
Beach Haven ain’t my home!
No, I just can’t pay this rent!
My money’s down the drain,
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower
Where no black folks come to roam,
No, no, Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!
I’m calling out my welcome to you and your man both
Welcoming you here to Beach Haven
To love in any way you please and to have some kind of a decent place
To have your kids raised up in.
Beach Haven ain’t my home!
No, I just can’t pay this rent!
My money’s down the drain,
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower
Where no black folks come to roam,
No, no, Old Man Trump!
So Woody Guthrie says Fred Trump is a racist, that makes it so?
Rhino
There are things I don’t like about Trump, he’s going to need a crash course in public behavior, but just because one comes across polished in that regard (read Hilary), doesn’t mean her heart is any purer than the Donald’s.
Rhino
I go by what I know personally. Fred Trump donated the building that that was to become my congregations first temple. He donated the land and donated money to the community I lived in so we could have a little league field, with an equipment shack, and a concession stand. I’m not going to question what rental practices he had 50 years ago.
You shouldn’t feel bad about voting for any candidate you feel is worth it Mike. Your reason is your own and you don’t have to justify it.
I don’t feel bad D, if I felt bad, I wouldn’t have mentioned it. I’m giving Rhino the benefit of an explanation, but he needn’t agree with it, I just thought he deserved that much, so I gave him one. The discussion is over. I also don’t need to hear why he would vote for Hilary, I don’t want to hear it, because I don’t care why, I wouldn’t agree with it anyway.
I disagree Rhino. If you do not have a candidate you feel you would like to endorse, you shouldn’t vote just to vote. That’s as irresponsible as not voting when you do have one. This is the first time I have been in a situation where I do not want either candidate to be my President. A vote for either might be the deciding got that gets them in and I don’t want to be responsible for that travesty.
Who said I don’t have a candidate? Your comment exactly supports what I am arguing. Donald Trump IS the travesty of which you speak.
If I wrote off everyone I know who will vote for Hillary, I’d have major issues with my family and friends. That’s not gonna happen. I’m not voting for either of the two candidates either.
MikeE,
Fred Trump is the documented defendant in court cases (that Guthrie wrote songs about, but is not the “source of accusation” … come on!). Then they are sued AGAIN in the 70s where they have to settle…. cuz its cheaper than being found guilty. So… NO … it’s not because Guthrie ‘said’… its what he DID.
MikeE… you’ve said many times you support Kasich…. who in turn refuses to support Trump on moral and political grounds. YOU are a ship without a rudder. Kasich stands his ground. You do not.
I used to be big on Gary Johsnon
You guys know this already
But recently I decided I’m going to vote for Hillary
Some of that is bc Johnson has been crazy lately
Trump has never entered the picture to me
I think it’s insane he is in this position
I don’t think the two are comparable at all
Like Rhino I think he is the worst candidate in our country’s history
But I can only base that on my lifetime and what I read about history
I get Hillary hate
But I don’t get Trump support at all
be careful.. you are risking “not being agreed with anyway”. But then again, you are a consistent contributor so you should be ‘forgiven’ your liberal transgressions. 🙂
I have quite a few liberal transgressions here
Particularly about race
I’m coming in late in this convo tonight – so I don’t know what you are talking about
Right before the debate I followed Gary Johsnon who said he would be live tweeting
Then he barely sent any tweets out
He left me high and dry
You guys who are trump supporters need to tell him to stop say “the African Americans” and “the Latinos” or “the Hispanics”
He’s going to lose a lot of votes just for talking that way
I can’t
I’m stuck in the deplorable bucket!
Piggy,
I have a stringent support for freedom in the sense that IF someone is physically or verbally assaulted for his/her identity… they do not experience the same ‘freedom’ as the rest of us. I have never feared for my physical safety for being ‘straight’. BUT, I have students who have been beaten senseless for being gay… I have been in a mosque when shots were fired into the building from “defenders of ‘merica”. My wife goes to mass with me… I go to mosque with her. Trump goes to neither. I’m sick and tired of being told by conservatives (whatever that means anymore) of what America “should be” compared to my experiences of what America is.
I think you and I are on the same page
I don’t disagree with the content of what you are saying
However I will say, there is a slippery slope when you talk about speech vs intimidation
I think we have to be careful about legislating speech
Even if that speech oppresses groups of people
But I expect our leader to be a diplomat
And being able to use speech in a way that encourages people and does not objectify them
trump fails that way IMO
Warning about the ‘slippery slope’ is not the same as ‘legislating’. I am warning… Trump promises to legislate.
Yeah
I don’t know what trump will legislate or not
I’m pretty sure he does not know himswlf or whether he has the power to legislate anything
I think he’s making it up as he goes
I hope other will read our posts in the a.m. after drinking some coffee. I honestly could have supported most of the other Republican candidates over Trump (ahem, yeah, I’m looking at you Ben Carson… he with a portrait of himself with Jesus. LOL come on man). Even (throws up in mouth) Ted Cruz is more trustworthy than Trump. I’m not ready for our country to become part of Trump’s fictitious empire.
btw, I invite fin fans to berate me and challenge me for the next 30 days. I’d rather lose friendships than lose America’s credibility and credit rating. !!
Piggy,
thanks for being diplomatic. Please know that I am not targeting but simply expressing my incredulity at Trump’s marginalization of American citizens. And, MikeE… historically, racists put white Christian men at the top, then white Jewish men, then white men of any religion, then non-white men, then white women, then… way at the bottom are black women. The layoff trends in financial crises support this hierarchy. Black men got the “vote” 50 years before women. Ex-slave could vote before the wives of white presidents. THIS should tell us about our nation’s attitudes toward women. Trump is the poster child of this attitude. I have two daughters in the Ivy League (not bragging but at least they met criteria), my wife is an M.D…. how the hell can I accept Trump’s archaic attitudes? Fuck his narrow definitions. No more marginalization. Citizenship means equality. No more hyphens… my wife is “muslim-American” or “Pakstani-American” but I don’t have to say “catholic-American” or “Irish-American”…. so… Piggy… I think you know what I mean. 🙂
Don’t “Ask Mike”… hey Mike!! … ask yourself !…would you leave your daughters in a room with Trump? #women are citizens too
If you think it’s ok to grab a woman without her consent (because of stardom)… YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE and a criminal. [I await your retribution.. I welcome the loss of your respect]
Morning Update
DOLPHINS-STEELERS
Old 45-13 PIT
Howie 51-6 PIT
N/A 48-16 PIT
GO PHINS!!!
42-17 PIT 😦
BrianNY- Please make this game enjoyable to watch in person.
81Howie says:
October 9, 2016 at 8:29 pm
What happend to Columbo? Isnt today Sunday? I always watch Columbo on Sunday night…
What the Hell is going on here? Access Hollywood? WHAT THE HELL!
I’m very confused!
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bookman11 says:
October 9, 2016 at 8:40 pm
Isn’t it on ME TV? I dvr it every Sunday
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son of a son of a shula says:
October 9, 2016 at 8:41 pm
How can anyone post after that?
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Bookman
Did your DVR get him?
This is why I don’t talk politics here, nor anywhere.
It’s a better distraction than the Dolphins IMO
Talking Dolphins is making me miserable
Once upon a time people used to be able to talk politics without venom in their words
I’m not going to watch the game next week
But I will be the only fool to pick the Dolphins
Miami 24 Pitt 21
I have no idea how we will hold Pitt to 21
or score 24
Piggy,
Why aren’t you watching the game?
So I can go to the fest with some optimism
And enjoy the experience which is less about what is going on on the field
I feel like I’m wasting my Sundays
I didn’t enjoy the game yesterday at all
I watched it at slatterys and the guy next to me is screaming at the tv
The other people there are no better
It’s become miserable
It’s no fun anymore watching the games
It’s just me getting mad
I’ll be honest. I’m really not happy with Gase at the moment. I’m also not happy with VJ. I don’t understand how coaches can know the situation but do nothing about it.
First, how VJ can leave his CB’s on an island vs Green when he was the DB’s coach at Cincy previously. Is he that stupid?
Second, knowing the situation with the o-line and Gase doesn’t provide max protect on obvious passing downs but, instead, opts to let the d-line to continue to get pressure and shut down the offense.
In addition, the fact that we ran the ball pretty successfully and then he comes out all pass happy afterwards despite still being in the game.
I don’t know what the concept is here or what’s going on, if it’s a situation where they don’t have a clue or if they are trying to see who can get the job done to make better personnel assessments but it’s frustrating watching those google eyes on the sideline looking clueless.
I’m not seeing good caching
I not spending a lot of time on the topic
Bc we just bor d these guys
And it’s doesn’t get much wp she than firing guys like the wind blows
But I’m not seeing anything special
I agree Lou, however, on the play in which Morgan almost beheaded Tannehill, both Bushrod and Ajayi let him by without laying a finger on him. Nothing they could have done about that. That said, I am less than impressed by them at the moment.
It may have been Pouncey, not Bushrod- can’t remember.
I’ve seen Bushrod do some really questionable stuff as a blocker.
Looking ahead at the schedule, we will easily be wither 2-6 or 1-7 by the time we have to make back to back west coast trips. Upcoming games are home vs. Pitt, who is firing on all cylinders right now, Buff, who seems to be currently hitting their stride, and NYJ, who always give us a problem. It’s going to be a long season.
This was the easiest game on our schedule for some time
We should be able to battle with division foes at home
But those west coast games will be hard for us
Maybe 49ers are home is not so bad
I still view AZ as a good team but we get them at home too
I know, but we can’t seem to figure Buffalo out, and Rex is there now so that won’t make it any easier as he knows our team very well (blitz Tannehill anyone?). I honestly don’t think we have a shot in hell this week.
yeah, Rex will blitz the shit out of Tannehill this week. Last year BUF got a pick six because of one blitz. I’m expecting two or three int’s in this next game because of the pressure BUF will bring and knowing that I’m expecting Gase to drop the ball and not provide any additional protection against the blitz by keeping extra blockers in.
In addition, there’s things you can do to slow the pass rush down and all HC’s and OC’s know this but Gase doesn’t seem to want to employ them. How about setting up a screen to a rb every once in awhile or a few bubble screens here and there.
There’s plays you can use to catch the defense in a bad position when they bring all that pressure but Gase seems clueless or doesn’t like to use those plays. Don’t understand it.
Yes, and the Steelers are really playing well on D. Their young guns are finally healthy-Shazier for one, whom I BADLY wanted two years ago.
you and me both (shazier)
I expected more from this offense. Thought we’d be putting up more points with the weapons we’ve got and be able to score from almost any place on the field but IMO the play calling is worse than it was with Lazor here.
Why does it seem that every game we hear something to the effect of “First TD of the year by… first sack of the year by …first int of the year by…” over and over?
yeah, it would have been nice if Gase didn’t pull the plug on the run game yesterday so we could hear “Ajayi with his first 100 yd game of the season.”
We were starting to click with the run and were still in the game but for some reason the Goonie Bird decided to pull the plug.
Rhino
The climate of the world was pretty different 50 years ago. I lived in the neighborhood where the Beach Haven building was, less than a mile away, in subsidized rental buildings called Trump Village. Now I can tell you, since I lived there, there just weren’t any black people in my area. Now Fred Trump didn’t own ALL the real estate in my area, (I know EVERYONE was racist!). Blacks lived in Coney Island which was just a couple of miles away, although there was a small community that was primarily Italian, and then deeper in towards Sea Gate, a very wealthy private community located at the end tip of Coney Island, where again there were no black people. Fred Trump didn’t own real estate in Sea Gate either FWIW. It’s not a proud moment in America, but I can tell you from experience what happened in Canarsie Brooklyn about 25 years later. Canarsie was a mixed community of Jewish, Italian, Irish, and Hispanic people. Somewhere around 1990, people decided to leave Canarsie, and sell their houses to black people. Other white homeowners threatened other homeowners if they sold to black people, there would be consequences (read retaliation), and then eventually, there was basically a mass exodus of white people in Canarsie, and mass influx of black people. Mind you, I’m not condoning this type of thing, but it’s a reality, and I’m sure back in the 1960’s, Fred Trump and other real estate moguls understood that this is what would happen to their real estate properties as well.
About 15 years later, say about 2006, we took my kids to Canarsie to show them where my wife grew up, her house, the neighborhood etc. The house was still there, as were all the houses around it as well, but it looked like a neighborhood of prison houses. Every house now had iron gates in front, iron bars on all the windows, every single one. OK, so the neighborhood was basically all black now, why the bars and gates? I’m not being racist, I’m just reporting to you what we saw. Are they trying to keep the white people out? Keep themselves out? Sad situation, but it is what it is. While you may not want to accept reality for what it is, back in the 1960’s, it was quite different.
I went to Abraham Lincoln High School in Brighton Beach. I started in 1978, and graduated in 1980. I would say Lincoln High was about 60% black, 40% white. Black people were bused in from Coney Island to Lincoln. There weren’t any race riots, blacks and whites got together, or at least as well as whites and whites,or any other any ethnicity and another. I had many black friends in HS. I was so disappointed when I went to my 15 year reunion, that not one black person, friend or otherwise was at the reunion. Anyway, just thought I’d discuss what I know, what I saw, what I lived. I’m not saying that the actions Fred c. Trump, and many other real estate developers took aren’t racist, but I also don’t think they were wrong in the fact that they made wise business decisions. Call me a racist, that’s fine, it would be a meaningless sling anyway, I know who and what I am. Hope this clears my feelings up for you.
This aspect that most don’t understand Mike is a lot of what you say is cultural, and has nothing to do with race. Sure there are racist people out there, and always will be, but a lot of what happens in America, and what some perceive as race, is born of culture.
Rhino
Just saw your 1:39AM post. I’ll do you one better. I don’t have a daughter, so I can’t answer that part, but I ask myself would I leave Hillary Clinton in charge of my country, and the answer to that, is a resounding NO! Thank you!
well, I have TWO daughters… both in college… and they both laugh/cringe at Trump because he acts like an entitled frat boy … using people around him like objects. If you get your way, I guess we can expect Trump to “promote” or “brand” our problems away.
How anyone can see either as a valid option for President just boggles the mind.
Lou, they ARE the options though, you may as well comprehend that fact
options? they aren’t options. when I look at those two the conclusion I arrive at is the majority of Americans are idiots. Idiocracy has arrived.
With options like that I feel like REV. Jim standing at the polling place saying “Well, I guess I’ll vote for this one”. If Johnson wasn’t on the ballot I wouldn’t even be voting for President this election.
Rhino
I’d almost bet you voted for Bill Clinton, would you leave your daughters with him?
Well, you got the talking points down. 🙂
“Call me a racist, that’s fine”
come on, man… really? Where did anyone call you a ‘racist’?
You didn’t, that was IF you did.
“IF’s” are not valid points of debate. They are verbal ‘cheating / short cuts’ through conjecture.
I’m not debating you Rhino, this is a discussion.
Bri
That was excellent point regarding it being cultural. You explained that better than I
“I’d almost bet you voted for Bill Clinton”
and you’d most certainly lose (but thanks for continuing the projection, or conjecture). I have voted 3rd party in 8 presidential elections, because 3rd party is how our political system absorbs issues and reforms our society. I’ve never considered it a ‘wasted vote’. This year, however, despite the nationwide realization that we are choosing between the “Browns and Jaguars”, I have to take the ‘career politician’ over the ‘career conman’.
Doesn’t Career Politician = Career Con Man? I mean c’mon!
see my answer below… v
” I have to take the ‘career politician’ over the ‘career conman’.”
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These two descriptions are one in the same.
Except one of them actually knows the mechanisms by which political compromise and thus results are achieved.
Except one of them knows which lies to tell to who they need to be told to.
There . . . . . I fixed it!
LOL – You beat me to it!
You really can’t have a govt In a democracy without politicians
But you can have a marketplace without conmen
They are not the same thing
Politicians are necessary in a democracy
Every one just hates them and that’s fine but you can’t have a govt without them
A person can be both a politician and a conmen
But really I think your cynicism of govt (which I share) should blur the lines here
They are not the same at all
Rhino,
I was’t specifically speaking of the presidential candidates, but the descriptions in general.
Bash gov’t all you want… we are the third largest nation to have ever existed on this planet. Our economic interests literally touch every continent. Yet people somehow think this massive enterprise (in terms of population and GNP) can be managed like a mom and pop shop. I have voted 3rd party primarily for campaign reform because we haven’t yet solved the problem of combining experience with the influence of $.
The Constitution was written with the understanding that experience in governing MATTERS… see the election rotation for Congress that ensures new representatives are mixed with those with ‘on the job’ experience.
Trump scammed the Republican Party in the primaries that the Executive branch should never have been in public service… ever! And many in the GOP are responding ‘against’ the head of the ticket in a way that I can’t find an historical parallel. So, yes, there is a difference between politician and conman.
So we finally got the big plays we have been looking for yesterday.
The Grant TD punt return.
The WIlliams 50-yard catch and run
The Parker bomb.
Only problem was all the rest of the plays.
sigh
If you all haven’t noticed… I’m angry as hell.
I required my A.P. students to watch the debate last night. Just as the Republican primary candidates got sucked into Trump’s approach, Hillary did the same thing. We deserve better than MTV Reality …. we deserve better than “watch for entertainment… what might be said”. I felt the country’s IQ drop like a thermostat during the first cold front. 😦
Rhino
The Republican party is BUSTED, and has been busted for too long. Trump shares very few true Republican values, yet not one of the candidates they put up against him beat him. It doesn’t really matter how many now denounce Trump, it’s irrelevant, he was never their choice, but he beat all comers they put up against him, and therefore, he is where is now. Maybe they learned their lesson, but probably not.
The GOP allowed this to happen. They did not adequately build up and support a candidate over the last four years, which enabled this type of situation to happen.
Besides that, it’s so hypocritical when these politicians then back these candidates when they don’t agree on a damn thing. Stay true to yourself, and don’t back them! That NEVER happens, because of the party. That’s a farce in and of itself
I was typing a lengthy post when you posted this comment. It seems we have angrily staggered from two starting points to the same finishing point.
Stanger,
Are you going to this week’s game?
Nope — and pretty sure OD isn’t either. And if their is a game to put tickets up for sale…..it is that one.
So Laremy Tunsil actually slipped in the shower and hurt his ankle. How many times has he heard “Don’t pick up the soap!” ? lol
Last word. MikeE…, if I offended you in any way, I am truly sorry. I know it’s hard to NOT personalize politics. I clearly remember blog posts where you supported Kasich. The Republican primary was a cluster fuck but I found Kasich to be the only true public servant on the stage. It seems I too am guilty of conjecture for expecting his supporters to follow his lead. The Republican party is in the midst of an internal ‘civil war’… Trump will drag our political process deeper into the gutter than ever before (we’ve seen it in the primaries and the general election) Economically I am ‘conservative’ but socially ‘liberal’. I teach in 18th poorest county in the U.S. and I teach/model that there is honor in hard work, to feel proud about paying bills… that “rich doesn’t equal patriotic… service to others and to community equals patriotic” (this is what the founders tried to model through civic duty… like jury duty).
I conducted a teacher inservice at TCU this past Saturday and asked a question: “for those future students just now being born… when they are in our classes, how do we teach this election?” I’ve never asked that question before, and it disturbed me to not be able to answer that even in my own mind.
Forget Trump’s morality (we Americans tend to use this to a fault)…. making money through bankruptcy after bankruptcy is THE financial corruption that is the exact opposite of public service.
There. done. Again, I am sorry for anything I may have said that may have insinuated a lack of respect for you as a person. You have a right to choose and change your mind in any way that you want. I won’t back down from my same right, and hope that separating the ‘person’ from the current choice we all have to make will be mutual. 🙂
Thanks Rhino, no apology necessary. I understand where you’re coming from for the most part, and to this day, I wish it was Kasich that won the nomination, but it didn’t happen. I don’t even know how to describe myself politically, I’m economically conservative, socially I’m a mixed bag, I’m not a pro-lifer, I think women should ultimately make that decision as to whether they want a child or not, but up to a certain time of the pregnancy. As far as women being raped or incest, I think that poor soul should have the right to abort at any time. As recent as just a few years ago, I was against gay marriage, I always felt marriage was between a man and a woman. I’m softening my feelings on that to the extent I’m for it now, and I think to go back from that would be a huge mistake. You just can’t do that. Although i didn’t agree with it at a time, I’ve seen enough to realize I was wrong, and people deserve to be happy with one another, and marriage is a dedication of love, which should have no gender rules attached. If a man loves man, or a woman loves a woman, so be it. On the other hand, I think the PC crowd is getting entirely out of control, and I think that’s a liberal agenda I can do without. It needs to be curbed in my opinion. Anyway, nice talk, and it’s nice to know we can respectfully carry on this dialogue, and still say what we feel. I hope nothing I’ve said insulted you either. Peace Rhino
Was this a run-on paragraph? 🙂
Vikings to work out Jake Long this week. But, even with Bradford at QB and an OL that’s a mess, they’re still 5-0.
quit trying to change the subject to football. (lol) “middle child syndrome” …. change the subject… please stop fighting. lol
Denver and Minnesota have showed why defense still matters over offense.
Even when the Fins had QB such as Damon Huard and RB named Karim Abdul-Jabbar, they got into the playoffs behind a strong defense.
I’m starting to wonder if half or most of these ‘offensive’ minded coaches can’t hack it in the risk/reward category that is needed in the head coaching role.
GB has arguably the best QB in the game and they have only 1 SB appearance to show for it and have been bested by strong defensive showings against them in multiple playoff exists.
The Patriots had issues getting back to the SB up until they shored up their defense.
This is true Al, but we have a LONG way to go until we shore up the D. IMO, it starts with trading Suh. We are not going to be good until his contract expires, and he is not making a difference whatsoever. Call it scheme, the cast surrounding him, his subpar play, or all of the above, but the prudent business decision is to float his name out there and see what type of offer comes back.
Randy
Jake Long is like Sgt. Barnes in “Platoon”. That guy just never dies, and he keeps coming back
D says:
October 9, 2016 at 11:45 pm
I disagree Rhino. If you do not have a candidate you feel you would like to endorse, you shouldn’t vote just to vote. That’s as irresponsible as not voting when you do have one. This is the first time I have been in a situation where I do not want either candidate to be my President. A vote for either might be the deciding got that gets them in and I don’t want to be responsible for that travesty.
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Rhino says:
October 9, 2016 at 11:50 pm
Who said I don’t have a candidate? Your comment exactly supports what I am arguing. Donald Trump IS the travesty of which you speak.
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I was disagreeing with your statement towards me that no voting wasn’t acceptable. I know oyu have a candidate, i dont because i feel the exact same about Hillary as you and I both do about Trump….. Im not voting for him, im not pro Trump, im actually the exact guy you are talking abotu before who feels that he has made a mockery of the Republican party, your opinion that Hillary is different is where we differ.
Mike E. says:
October 10, 2016 at 10:35 am
So Laremy Tunsil actually slipped in the shower and hurt his ankle. How many times has he heard “Don’t pick up the soap!” ? lol
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So stoned that he forgot where the floor was?
ouch!
Here try this Quiz!
It may surprise you
http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz
I took this a few weeks ago, I got Charles Manson. Who did you get?
Trump 84%
Johnson 66%
Clinton 36%
Stein 30%
Maybe my neck isn’t as RED as I thought?
One thing i think you need to think about Rhino with these rants is the idea that everyone has rights, doesn’t exclude those who have different ones than you. For whatever reason, those that support Trump have their reasons, and you telling them they are wrong, or chastising them for having positive viewpoints towards him, or his father, etc are not idiocy, they are an evaluation made by equally intelligent people as you. I don’t like him either, but i understand several here have their reasons and i feel OK to debate my opinion vs theirs, but at the end of the day i respect them enough to feel that these reasonable people have reasonable reasons.
Read my post to MikeE above at 10:49. 😉 … but thanks anyway.
I got Gary Johnson. Figures lol. My only issue with him is i dont feel i have enough exposure to him as a candidate to know if he is the right guy for me. If i were “forced” to vote, he would likely be my vote though.
Mike E. says:
October 10, 2016 at 11:14 am
I took this a few weeks ago, I got Charles Manson. Who did you get?
wyoming85 says:
October 10, 2016 at 11:50 am
Trump 84%
Johnson 66%
Clinton 36%
Stein 30%
Maybe my neck isn’t as RED as I thought?
Maybe not Wyo. I actually got similar results, though hardly any Clinton, and less Gary Johnson, maybe like 48% or something like that.
I had really high numbers on anyone that was not Trump and really low numbers on Trump
Omg….I watched the Dolphins game! I’d have to save them!
I thought last night’s debate was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. The questions were dumb and had very little to do with what could improve the country. All I know is I can’t support either of the two major candidates. It’s depressing.
Oh yeah, and the Dolphins are depressing too. 😦
It was the worst debate of my lifetime
its been the worst election cycle of my last time
The questions (from the audience) are usually not so substantive in a town hall
but I thought the big problem with the debate was that there were not enough of those questions from the audience
Its usually a lot more questions and a lot more interactive than last night’s town hall
If I was grading both candidates on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the highest, I would be hard pressed to give either a score of over 2…combined….lol…They were both really bad
Hillary goes low and then says “we go high” and its a problem to me. She is avoiding criticism of her policies by referring go what Trump said constantly She is very tricky and I understand the criticsim and mistrust of her. She has every advantage in her favor and can’t put Trump away. And that is who Hillary has been her entire career and it makes you question her ability to perform a job to completion.
and Trump – he really doesn’t know what he is doing IMO and he doesn’t know how to speak and deliver a message. When I listen to trump speak I feel like I’m watching a powerpoint presentation without the presenter filling in the details. He really relies on talking points to the extent that they are nothing but talking points delivered. You have to agree with Trump already to agree with Trump in a debate. He is not persuading anyone to follow him at the debates who doesn’t already follow him. Granted, I would probably not agree with him if he were able to deliver a message clearly – but I can’t even disagree with him bc I don’t know what the fuck he is talking about. Its like watching a FoxNews highlight reel when he speaks. There are just fragments of ideas coming out of his mouth.
Agreed.
It drives me nuts when Trump says things like “and many other things” or “we’re going to do so many great things”. Okay, like what?
Reality TV seems to have taken over America, and last night’s debate was just more of the same. It’s become a personal attack parade on both sides. President’s have long been known to cheat on their wives, it’s been going on for quite some time, yet now, all of a sudden, and Bill Clinton’s behavior is all well documented, but a conversation that Trump had about women, one that I’d be confident enough to say that just about every guy here has had a similar one, is a big topic of the debate. It’s not even about what their plans are to improve the country, but an all out onslaught on each of the candidates character flaws. Other countries watching this must be shocked to see what it’s become.
Yep!
I watched the debate with my wife, and wife has already made it clear that she can’t/won’t vote for Trump. After last night’s debate, she’s pretty sure she can’t vote for Hillary either. You’re right Piggy, she can’t seize the moment, one where it looked like she had Trump on the ropes. My thought was she had him in the beginning, had him reeling, but he rebounded and knocked her down, but she got back up, and the ugly fight was a probably a draw, but she should have knocked him out.
WTF is up with sniffing? I could almost not vote for him based on that alone! lol
My wife, mother-in-law and I were all talking about that. He needs to learn how to use a microphone. LOL
My mother-in-law kept saying look at his face, what the hell is that? LOL
Both of their faces make me angry. Seriously, between his stupid “pursed lips”, and her “denial smiles”, I want to smack both of them
LOL, I feel the same way.
If Rhino was disappointed with me, I can imagine how he’s going to feel about you . . .
The truth that Mike Huckabee needs to hear is that Mike Huckabee is a fucking moron
Trumps not really prescribing any solutions to anything
He’s just telling people they should be sick and only he can cure it
Tim
A lot of things Trump says drive me crazy. Like “She’s made bad decisions, very very bad, terrible decisions”. OK Donald, we get you think her decisions have been terrible, do you have to say it 50 times? On the other hand, Piggy is right again with Hillary’s LOW BLOW and then saying “when they go low, we go high” Really? Do you believe that’s what just happened? It’s bad, but who in the hell is picking these moderators? I think that’s part of the problem, they’re a panel of biased imbeciles. Lester Holt was so biased, and I was pretty sure Anderson Cooper was going to jump on stage and strangle Trump. He could barely hide his hatred. We need a better panel, or just one moderator that could do the job properly.
LOL, yeah it was a joke.
Mike E. says:
October 10, 2016 at 12:39 pm (Edit)
Reality TV seems to have taken over America, and last night’s debate was just more of the same. It’s become a personal attack parade on both sides. President’s have long been known to cheat on their wives, it’s been going on for quite some time, yet now, all of a sudden, and Bill Clinton’s behavior is all well documented, but a conversation that Trump had about women, one that I’d be confident enough to say that just about every guy here has had a similar one, is a big topic of the debate. It’s not even about what their plans are to improve the country, but an all out onslaught on each of the candidates character flaws. Other countries watching this must be shocked to see what it’s become.
It’s why we don’t have better candidates. No one wants to go thru the scrutiny of every thing they’ve said and done for their entire lives.
Unless it has nothing to do with political views, just a taped personal convo between 2 men about women.
Trump is a meglomaniac with no impulse control. Hillary is a biotch. But given my worries about Trump’s emotional stability and the pressure on him, I was actually worried for Clinton at times last night. What was up with the stalking thing?
When Hillary makes those denial smiles it reminds me when a fighter gets rocked and smiles at his opponent like that didn’t hurt? LOL
Rocky De La Fuente
Who the hell is that? The person the poll above says I most agree with.
Omg….I watched the Dolphins game! I’d have to save them!
CRAP! Mika & Joe Scarborough are not going to save me!
Our team is so bad this has turned into a political forum. On to the politics, Trump has one thing going for him. He has displayed what a joke our political system is, how corrupt it is, and how upset many people are with our leaders.
I talked to a guy who met with Trump kin the early 90s. He said that Trump was a completely different person. Literate, smart, driven. I think Trump still has no clue how he got this far and this was all intended as a another form of upgrade beyond his father. He really has no clue. His lack of control, understanding, and general ignorance is scary as hell.
What does that say about Hillary though?: Her and Billy have played corrupt politics since the 70s. They made 250 million dollars off being politicians the past 15 years. She has no respect for anyone. When I think public servant, she is literally the last person I could imagine looking out for the general public’s welfare. She allowed poor security as a SoS. She has colluded with a super PAC. She has colluded with the Democratic Party itself to get elected. She is willing to do anything for power and that’s pretty scary. She is connected to the political elite all over the world and her focus is a universal market where the rich get richer and more powerful as everyone else in the world is used like a cheap roll of toilet paper.
Gary Johnson is not an old school conservative and is almost as big of a clown as Trump. Jill Stein…I have no clue but how are we supposed to vote for this crap? Both parties need torn down but people are too lazy and selfish to move on this. It is even more sad than watching the Dolphins utter incompetence in all phases for the past few years. Are we really much better than the 1-15 squad?
This team is playing pretty similar to cam cameron squad that went 1-15. Right now I don’t even count the browns game as a win.
Going forward I think really I just want to see progress from this team to give us some hope for next year.
That’s the only thing they can do right now. Keep working and try to improve. Not sure what to expect though. I don’t have a lot of confidence in this team. Too many flaws being exposed and it doesn’t seem to get fixed.
The way the team landslided in the 4Q was just an exact version of what this team is.
When RT held the ball too long, he got sacked, when he went back in a normal time he got sandwhiched due to terrible OT work. Then you had the stupid penalties on both offense/defense that gave 1st downs and took away touchdowns.
This team lacks consistency because it lacks talent. Being aware of situations and getting called for penalties IS a part of talent.
I also haven’t seen anything from this coaching staff that tells me they’re any better than philbin or sparano. I actually think sparano was a better coach that both philbin and gase.
Ross really knows how to pickem.
Maybe GDP was right. We should have kept dan campbell.
What I don’t understand about RT is why he is holding onto the ball.
Gase should just tell him to throw into traffic…At this point who gives a shit if he makes the wrong read. His biggest problem is not having confidence in throwing into the 2ndary. You have to have big balls to be a QB. I don’t think Matt Moore is going to be any better were he in RT situation but Matt Moore is not shy about slinging it and sometimes that what you need back there.
Point isn’t Moore being better or worse it’s team needs a shake up and that’s one position that needs it. I think he needs it personally. He needs to step back and watch the game from a different vantage point. I think he also can shake some of the shell shock maybe find a center in himself.
Other benefits include not continuing to lower his value putting up stinker after stinker or running the risk if getting hurt and potentially lowering and trade offer.
We can’t get worse than we are because right now we are the worst team in the NFL. Same argument can be made for starting Doughty. See what he can do and if it’s no better, the it us what it is, we still suck but our rookie gets experience and he may actually read the defense a little better and he may actually avoid some pressure better and if he doesn’t oh well. What do we really have to lose?
Howie,
I am pulling a Costanza and doing something completely opposite of what I have been in order to affect change.
Steelers 38 Dolphins 13
Stanger
I thought it was more likely that Anderson Cooper jumped on stage and either strangled or stabbed Donald, than there was of Trump hitting Hillary
I dont he is worse than sparano or philbins Boulder but you are right he hasn’t shown anything to know that, so I guess I still hold out hope he is just limited by most significantly the QB to run his offense and in Vance’s case, LB and CB to run his. I’m on thinking it’s personnel at this point but if they can’t get it together for last half of the season and just stop being embarrassed by other teams then yeah I’ll be more where you are.
The LB and corners as a whole have been garbage.D says:
October 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm
Point isn’t Moore being better or worse it’s team needs a shake up and that’s one position that needs it. I think he needs it personally. He needs to step back and watch the game from a different vantage point. I think he also can shake some of the shell shock maybe find a center in himself.
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Agree 100%….Drew Brees was benched at one point in his SD career in favor of Doug Flutie.
There is no reason why a benching would be seen as a permanent thing.
I don’t know what else the team can do from a defensive scheme standpoint.
I think Vance can try more 3-4 with Suh at the end or even get a bit more creative and put Suh at DE and use other options at DT. Suh got some DE work I believe last year in SD.
I mention 3-4 because the LB have been pretty bad playing between the ends and attempting to stop backs/ other blockers coming through on inside runs.
You mean Detroit?
Next year instead of a fest game maybe we should do something else….you know, something enjoyable.
LOL/
LOL
Problem with switching schemes is the personnel is different and we really dont have any true 3-4 LB’s…Butler MAYBE could man an 3-4 ILB but he is slow for the wide 9 concept. Phillips could move in at NT i think easily. I think Suh could move to 3-4 DE, Warmsley might even be able to transition to 3-4 DE, but we definately dont have the the ideal DE personnel for it either. Secondary is a mess and would still be a mess in this system. I dont think it helps right now.
I don’t think any teams runs one thing all game. Almost everyone runs both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes throughout a game. % wise, they keep the snaps one formation vs another. My definition of it is pre-snap look. Almost every defender who starts in the NFL has to know how to do both at any moment. No team can be that limited.
I think LB wise, the LB we have are not big and they have some wheels so it would seem to me that is the best way to use them (have them fly through the gaps since they cant thump anyone).
Afternoon Update
DOLPHINS-STEELERS
Old 45-13 PIT
Howie 51-6 PIT
N/A 48-16 PIT
Wyo 42-17 PIT
Piggy24-21 PIT
B’man38-13MIA
GO PHINS!!!
I think best for us and best for Tanny is either a departure from one another right now, or in off season. I feel bad for him in a lot of ways too, and maybe he could get a better chance with another team. Regardless of if he is cut or traded he will get another chance somewhere else, and that’s good, but i think we should make it sooner than later and try to strike while there is demand and/or he still has value, or we need to bench him a game or two with intention of going back to him after he has re-focused himself, maybe after the bye. This throwing him out there and watching him flounder, really isnt appealing to anyone, seems almost torturous.
He needs a mental break.
He’s over analyzing i think.
I think confidence is a problem too now. He fears making mistakes then the mistake happens anyway and he’s probably thinking WTF does it take?
But like Gase said, it’s really easy to blame him but when I look at the whole play and know how it should look and the protection breaks down it looks awful and the QB gets blamed. He also thought on that one play that Tannehill was going to have his rotator cuff and his knee blown up. It go bad on a lot of levels yesterday.
D,
I agree that Gase hasn’t shown much yet. As I said at the beginning of the season, I’ll hold judgment on Gase until after the season. Lets see if he can get this team to show some progress. It shouldn’t be hard because there isn’t much lower we can go from here.
Howie
MIA 24 – PIT 23
So far this year, and this is hard for me to believe, the coaching seems to be worse than last year. Especially on defense. Our game plans have been horrible and the adjustments made just pathetic. Yesterday we knew they were going to try to run the ball. What did our D do? we let them. We allowed them to run for 4,6,8,12,16,20 yard clips! Why were we EVER in the wide nine that game?
On offense, it seems the SOSO. abandon the run, too many screens, etc. Our players are not great or even good in some cases, but I think it’s the schemes / game planning that are really awful this year. A Cam Cameron exit would not surprise me. The real problem is Tannenbaum. He fucked the Jets and now he is fucking us. It’s a shame that it’s week 6 and I already want to blow the whole thing up!
I saw a lot of standard 4-3 too not even Wide 9 and we couldn’t stop the run. Even when we blitzed the run they got through at times. The tackling was some of the worst I’ve seen. That has nothing to do with scheme. I don’t care what you call if you don’t tackle you’re not stopping anything.
Maxwell doesn’t even look like he’s into playing football. I constantly saw #41 lagging around doing nothing. There was a reason he was benched last week. He had to play this week because Howard is out.
The team is a disappointment no doubt.
On the bright side….Next years draft we can just pick BPA because we need EVERY position.
Except Punter. We have a Pro-bowl punter….again….
Tim,
Agree RT is getting killed back there but how can he go back and have confidence in the OL to do their job in certain situations? If you know your OT is getting you killed, you should be getting rid of the ball faster on every play including checking into 3 step drops instead of 5-7 step ones. Coaches should be doing that as well. 4Q with game nearly on the line with 5 min to go on 3rd down you have to know you have about 2 seconds to get rid of the ball and don’t have time to let the WR develop in their route but he waited and payed for it.
No doubt! He looked much slower with decision making. I guess he feels if he keeps just throwing short stuff we’re not going to get very far so he’s hoping for more big plays. It’s ironic he’s now hitting on deep balls much more and throwing some really nice ones and now we can’t put drives together. Does it ever end? LOL
HOWIE!!!!!
41-6 Pitt
Mike E. says:
October 10, 2016 at 2:31 pm
Howie
MIA 24 – PIT 23
Really Mike? LOL
Is that Miami 24 pnts and Pit 23 TD’s?
That would actually be written Mia 24 – PIT 161
At this point I’m down to put Misi back at MLB.
He will probably mess up from time to time in terms of directional runs but he sure as hell isn’t going to wiff inside like Kiko does often
Yesterday every position was whiffing. We had shots in the backfield and missed them too. Ugh!!!!
Maxwell doesn’t even look like he’s into playing football. I constantly saw #41 lagging around doing nothing. There was a reason he was benched last week. He had to play this week because Howard is out.
I saw Suh on SEVERAL plays just jogging around the perimeter of the action too. There was no effort there. If he isn’t “rushing the passer” he doesn’t want to try. On run downs when everyone knows it’s a run down he still penetrates too deep past the play. The damn O-lines just let him. He takes himself out of plays by being 5 yards in the back field when the run has passed him for 8 yards already.
Maxwell looks turrible just turrible. No doubt in my mind why he got benched for Howard. Howard, although he makes mistakes give effort every play and he hits like he enjoys it.
Our line backers suck. HOWEVER it’s hard to play LB when the DT’s don’t even make contact with the guards. Suh’s whole game is to try an penetrate the O-line. The O-line let’s him on some plays. The guard just side steps him and then runs out clean to block our LB while Suh is turning around 10 yards behind the play next to the QB.
lmfao.
It blows.
I think on the play where Marriota ran for 20 yards and a 1st down in the 4Q, both DT were stuck in the same area near the C-RG position. How the F can two guys be in the same area like that.
I don’t know. Sometimes I think they would be more successful just laying down in front of the O-line. At least then they would have to run around or jump over our DT’s. as it is now they don’t have to worry about them. They are out of the play / picture. Next snap Suh, JUST STAND THERE it will be more effective against the run than what you are doing.
I feel bad for Darr. He may be the best punter in the league, but he won’t make the pro-bowl because our team sucks so bad! LOL
81Howie says:
October 10, 2016 at 2:08 pm
Afternoon Update
DOLPHINS-STEELERS
Old 45-13 PIT
Howie 51-6 PIT
N/A 48-16 PIT
Wyo 42-17 PIT
Piggy24-21 PIT
B’man38-13MIA
Rock 41-6 PIT
MIkeE 161-23 PIT
GO PHINS!!!
LMAO! It would just make sense that we shock Pittsburgh and win that game, and then the Fest game, we get blown out by BUF, Tannehill gets injured and out for the season, and we leave at halftime or early 3rd QTR and have more Festivus in the parking lot, like we did at the TEN game a few years back
Where are our DT’s in this picture? (well, really, where were they all game?)
The guard has a nice hold of Chris Jones’ helmet/facemask wouldn’t you say? Geez!
owe you a beer
Oh, and why wasn’t that “hands to the face” or face mask on the O-lineman who has #52 by the face mask / ear hole??
LOL
Draft and FA strategy for next year.
R1P3 Jalen Tabor CB UF
(Received from Cleveland, via Philidelphia as Part of the trade for Ryan Tannehill)
R1P16 Derek Barnett DE UTenn
R2P3 Zach Cunningham ILB/OLB Vanderbilt
(alt pick Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss if managing off the field him doesnt seem it would be too much of a risk)
(R3P3 traded to Minnesota 2016)
R3P34 Luke Faulk QB Washington State (comp pick Vernon)
(alt pick from above scenario, Bryan Cox Jr DE UF)
R4P3 Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
(R4P34 Traded to Minnesota 2016, comp pick Miller)
R5P3 Damore’ea Stringfellow WR Ole Miss
R6P3 Greg Pyke OG Georgia
R6P34 Clint Van Horn OG/OT Marshall (comp pick Matthews)
R7P3 Quincy Adeboyejo WR Ole Miss
I would get Jamie Collins ILB/OLB NE and Kevin Zeitler OG CIN in n FA, Id resign Alonzo and Jenkins, but let all other FA’s walk, or some of the contributing ones be re-signed to backup contracts. I would not break the bank to keep either Alonzo or Jenkins.
Obviously this hinges on the trade of Tannehill, and it probably isnt a likely scenario, but Cleveland is pretty desperate at the QB spot. Id probably even take their second, which is practically a first in trade if they countered with that. If we cant get a trade for him, id still go about my draft and FA scenario as above just drop out the second first round pick.
Rock, Lippett replaced Maxwell on the benched games. Howard has been out there opposite Maxwell until he got hurt.
I would be very happy if next year out secondary was any combination of Lippett, Howard, Tabor as far as CB1, CB2, NB that i think would be solid secondary with Lippett and Howard another year into starting experience. Id bail on Maxwell now and just get those guys some reps. We need to start looking at the reality. This season isnt salvageable, we need to start getting young guys some experience, especially at the CB positions.
Dont feel Misi helps us much at any of the LB positions. I would rather see them experiment with putting Hull in there over Misi. Misi is not going to be here next year in a starting capacity.
I usually watch the game really close and i can tell you which players did what wrong, ill even go back and watch on reply plays where we got gashed so i can see who cocked up the play. I am so over this team right now i couldn’t even begin to tell you those things in the last game. I was just so over it i didn’t want to sift through that shit. Its always been with hope that if i see it, then the coaches will see it and fix it, but not happening so why bother.
Uh-oh i broke the blog.
Howie,
For my pick, I was being opposite and taking Pittsburgh
Howie
I think we’re going to beat PIT, because we have no business whatsoever beating them.
MIA 24 – PIT 23
solid dolphin logic!
Mike
To pick up on your earlier posts
I think the moderators are biased, to the extent that they hate Trump and it shows
I was taken back when Martha Raddatz argued with Trump “sometimes that’s what General do”
Justifying an argument is not her role to do
and I don’t think she knows what she is talking about in that regard anyway
I thought that was the low point in terms of moderating
when they don’t understand that they cannot argue with the candidates its a problem
But honestly I think Trump has created this problem
and I think Trump wants that problem
I think he wants to be viewed as a victim of the biased media
The thing is Lester Holt was run all over by Trump in the first debate
and his peers noticed (I think he was biased to but it was only in the subject of what he was asking rather than his demeanor)
So I think Cooper and Raddatz went in to try to put the foot down
and then they end up favoring Clinton when they do that
But what are you going to do if you are a moderator
and the guy on the panel interrupts so much and tries to hijack the debate
its a fine line you are asking the moderators to walk
They have to stop ask the candidates to follow the rules (and Trump won’t) and they have to try not to favor one. How you appear fair when one child is being the brat?
Clinton is really polished, and yes FAKE, including that smile you mentioned.
When her times runs out – she goes over – but you can hear her giving the impression she is closing even though its goes over.
Trump is told by the moderator his time is up, and its like he feels like he barely got started
And then the interuptions
Honestly I don’t think this thing would be a circus if it weren’t for Trump
and that’s why I want him nowhere near politics ever
to me he brings down the whole thing to a Jerry Springer show
That’s what I meant with Lester Holt, his questions were meant to take Trump down, simple as that. Of what import did the question about Obama’s birth certificate have in the first debate? Does that really have anything to do with what his policies or plans to improve the country are? Absolutely not.
I care about Trumps response to the birther issue. bc its one of the first reasons I began to despise him like I obviously do.
But yes I agree – right from the get go to insist its talk about and corner Trump about it, is not what a moderator should do.
I’m okay with them asking the candidates tough questions
but when He opened the last debate like that – it was going to slide into a place that was hard to recover from
And honestly I think Trump contributes with his defensiveness which was borderline meltdown in debate #1
And Hillary lays the bait out
and then Trump digresses again
So I don’t view Hillary in a positive light for exploiting it
but that was the first debate
I though Trump did a better job of avoiding the “Hillary bait” and talking about what he wanted to talk about this time
But unfortunately, whenever he talks, its empty to me
Its a lot of nothing
When I hear Trump speak I feel like I just read the cliff notes on a book called “How to pretend you know what you are talking about when you actually don’t”
Also guys
Sorry about all the political posts
and absolutely no football posts
“I can’t even” is the best way I can describe how I feel about the Dolphins
I’m not even close to be able to have a reasonable conversation about the Dolphins right, not even with the even keel Tim, who always keeps perspective – I just hate all things Dolphins right now
and I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnell
So politics as well as life and work is a distraction right now
I’m pretty sure its supposed to be the other way around
which is another reason to hate the Dolphins
that is how bad the Dolphins are right now, I need real life distracts me from them….lol
LOL, thanks. I have no energy to talk about what the team can do to improve or strategy etc. because none of it ever happens. I look at the team as broken.
Why not just have a list of typical economic and social questions without the personal stuff like they used to do? No it’s all tabloid type questions.
Because we have tabloid type entertainment fighting to get the highest position in our country
If they werent a mockery to the system as candidates it wouldnt be this bad.
Yep!
Exactly
like what if the format was
the first part of 1/3 of the debate is “the economy”
the 2/3 is “foreign policy”
and the 3rd can be “domestic policy”
and they can go form there
they can insert the mudslinging as they see fit
my guess is
that requires the candidates to cooperate with one another
and they are at each others throats
Right, let the candidates add the mudslinging in response to the important issues, don’t start the question off designed to do that. Ugh!!!
Onto the draft!
Can’t do that either. LOL
Hey I’m 5-0 in FF. I’d rather the Dolphins be 5-0 though. I’d take the 1-4 but my team is too good for that. 🙂
Maybe they could have pity for us and just let us make all our picks now so we can start them after the bye lol.
Pig,
I have no desire to even watch the rest of the season. First time in my life I can say that and I watched every game (except the Baltimore game) in 2007. There is nothing on this roster worth my time outside of Landry and Jones.
Just year after year of bad decisions and bad teams.
Of course I’m lying and will end up watching the rest. I’m into torture I guess.
ell I’m going to the fest game
but I already told myself, I won’t watch next week
So I can get excited
That is my plan to be a happy pig at the fest
that and to make sure Rockphin continues to drink while it rains….lol
Watch you’ll wait and check the score somewhat late and it will be MIA 31 PIT 0 in the 3rd qtr and you’ll be like really?!!!! Fuck me!!!! LOL
No guarantees, but I’m hoping we finally get someone in here that will be patient and slowly build up the roster. Jax, Oakland, Rams are a few examples of teams that have built slowly and have a lot of nice talent on their rosters. Minnesota has done a nice job too. Just be smart and patient. That’s all I ask….
Minnesota has done a great job. They are nasty on defense and they have overcome losses at QB with Bridgewater, and AP.
That would essentially mean a total housecleaning. T-Bomb would have to go first, and Ross would have to give the new GM total control, which means Gase would be gone.
BTW, I was pushing for Reggie McKenzie when he was available…