from Piggy
Q – Oinks
This team sucks. And although Douglas, Turner and Thomas all were not good. Why do we have to play 5 games to see them cut? What can we do in week 6 to improve the OL? I’m not getting the timing.
Always Squealing,
Piggy
I think it’s an easy answer actually. First of all, it’s kind of unlikely that we had to go so far into our depth on the O-line. Our top 5 guys have never been on the field together this season (Albert, Tunsil, Pouncey, Bushrod and James) Our next 2 backups were basically Steen and Urbik, and Steen was also injured, so the last minute replacements had to step in when Tunsil slipped on the soap in the shower. So basically, we had a 3rd string OG playing LT (Billy Turner), 3rd string OG at LG (Dallas Thomas), a rusty Mike Pouncey in at C, and the usual starters on the right side, Bushrod and the struggling James. You have to admit, it was a strange set of circumstances with Albert out and for Tunsil to get injured right before the game. That set all kinds of bad things in motion.
I would have thought Thomas and Turner were serviceable as deep depth, and I’m sure Gase and the coaches thought so too. Most of their evaluation was done in pre season, these guys don’t see a lot of snaps in practice, so it was basically what they did against other teams 2nd and 3rd stringers, and apparently, they did well enough against the lesser talent to be 3rd on the depth chart. I would think most teams would be in trouble if they had to start two 3rd stringers on the O-line against Tennessee’s talented defensive front. I don’t blame Gase for playing them, keeping them on the roster, and I think it’s great that after seeing how poorly they played, he instantly cut them. How many years did Philbin keep them? Gase cut them as soon as they proved unworthy of a roster spot. That’s the right way to do it. If you think about it, how many teams are going to do well with a 3rd string LT, a 3rd string LG? My thought would be not many.
I’m sure we’re scanning what’s available, and have been even before we made those cuts. OT Sam Young will take one of the spots, the other has yet to be filled. We get Chris Culliver back in 2 weeks, meaning the Fest game. The way we get better is by getting healthy, and that means Albert back at LT, Tunsil at LG, Pouncey at C, and maybe Anthony Steen when he gets healthy gets a look at RG, and maybe Bushrod replaces Ja’Wuan James if he continues to struggle.
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from Wyo
Q – So after a somewhat horrible start the Fins have 4 home games and a bye.
Tennessee has played tuff (Kicked the shit out of us)
Pittsburgh will feast on our secondary
Bills will be tough us as usual
The Stej are like looking into a mirror (yes that is pathetic!)
So at 1-4, what is your take on the rest of the season?
I have to admit Wyo, I don’t know what to expect from this team anymore. I just don’t know if this team can get it right. This game against the Steelers, who I believe may be one of 2 teams in the AFC that have a legit shot of being in the Super Bowl this year (Patriots are the other), we have no business being on the field with the Steelers. For some reason, this is the type of game we might win, because it’s silly! The Steelers lost one of their very talented receivers to suspension (Martavis Bryant), but they have Le’veon Bell, Antonio Brown (possibly the NFL’s best WR), and now WR Sammie Coates seems to have emerged. They have a young wild west TE named Jesse James, who’s also showing to be a decent receiving TE.
The Steelers are scoring 28 PPG, and are only allowing 18.6 PPG. We have scored 17.6 PPG, and have allowed 24 PPG. Again, we just have no business being on the field with that team. By all means we should get clobbered ugly, but for some reason, I think we hang tough in this one, and even pull it out. If we do, does that turn the season around? It might, but then I could just as easily see us getting mauled by Rex and his Bills, so I don’t know bud, I just don’t have any confidence in prognosticating for this team anymore.
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from UK
Q – Hey Mike,
My question will be in 2 parts.
1/ Can you recommend any really heavy medication to dull the pain?
2/ Our O has been turgid for so long it makes me hurl. Between our coaching staff being predictable and bailing on the run for another season, an O line which acts either as turnstiles or penalty generators, a gifted set of receivers who can’t separate (except for Juice) and our much-flawed QB, we have the biggest collection of drive-killers (if you are reading this OD, please capitalise drive-killers in your head) ever assembled on that side of the ball.
On the other side, we have a D designed to rush the passer that rarely gets there (coach decided Wake needs his mid-game naps to stay sharp?!?), a wide 9 attack which creates runway sized holes for opponents to run into and LBs and 2ndary which can’t tackle or take the ball away.
This is another, and arguably the biggest, clusterfuck yet in terms of failing to deliver what was promised – I still think we will get more than 1W this time around. My 2nd question …… when will all this end?
Thanks for any (real) hope you can provide
UK
PS Thanks goodness for the always reliable UK Fin (cue the curse on Jay now)!
Hey UK, as a matter of fact, I can recommend something. Two things, actually.
Don’t watch the Dolphins play anymore this season.
Get a nice bottle of Jameson Irish Whiskey
Recently, I’ve been coming home as grumpy as a Dolphins fan, from work, and I’ve sat down, opened the bottle of Jameson, and taken a couple a shots, I’m not a sipper myself. Takes a few minutes, but I can feel the anger and frustration melting out of my body, and then I just feel mellow, chill, and ready to take on the world again.
Like most Dolphins fans, I watch, and I feel like I’m watching the same team we’ve watched for the last few years, except now, our defense is even worse than the big time chokers they were, now they suck from the get-go, sparing us the late game disappointment when they just have to make a hold. The offense, now filled with young, talented WR can’t do anything. Parker not looking like the stud we thought we had, although it’s possible it’s the Tannehill effect.
Speaking of the Tannehill effect. Think about his success, or at least what looked like a promising start in his first through third years. In 2012, Tannehill had Brian Hartline as his leading receiver, Davone Bess second, and Anthony Fasano third. But, and this is huge, 1802 yards rushing from Reggie Bush, DTinfinity, Lamar Miller, and RT himself. In 2013, it was Mike Wallace and Brian Hartline, and the rushing fell to under 1500 yards, 1440, which included 238 for RT himself. Year 3, 2014, we went back up in rushing, exceeding the 1800 we got in ’13, up to 1872, and Tannehill had 311 of those yards. In 2014, back down under 1500, just barely, at 196, and Tannehill had 141 yards. Last year was Juice all the time with a smattering of Rishard Matthews, Jordan Cameron, Kenny Stills, Devante Parker, but mostly Juice with 110 receptions, the other 255 distributed among the receivers I mentioned and the RB’s.
This year after 5 games, we have 362 yards rushing. If you extrapolate that over a full season, we’re looking at a low of 1158 yards. Tannehill this, Tannehill that! Yes, he’s not the best QB in the NFL, maybe he’s at best right now in the lower middle. So WHY, WHY do we put it all on #17’s back week after week, with a leaky O-line as per usghe, and expect anything good to come of it? WHY?????
We simply need to run the football. We have 2 young backs who would love a nice workload, and we should give it to them. Heck, we have an old RB that would love to get a lot of carries, and revive his career, and show the NFL he can still play. Play the game like teams who don’t ask their QB to win games. The Denver Broncos are one team like that, and the Houston Texans are another. Both teams have over 500 yards rushing at this point, and neither team relies heavily on their QB’s, Trevor Siemian for Denver and Brock Osweiler for Houston. Both teams have better defenses than we do, but if we ran the ball, and granted, you have to run effectively. I think if you make a commitment to run, odds are you will have success. If we can start running the ball 25-30 times a game, I think the defense will be better, and I think Ryan Tannehill will be better too. Ryan Tannehill won’t be Aaron Rodgers, and our defense won’t be Denver’s defense either , but the team would likely be more effective with that approach.
As to when this spiraling shit-show ends, I hope soon, because as each week goes by, I’m starting to look for alternatives on Sunday, and honestly, if it weren’t for FF, I’d probably ditch football altogether in the near future. Time for Gase to get his shit together, and actually devise a game plan that gives us a chance to win. He’s benched a lot of players, cut a bunch more, but meanwhile, he hasn’t shown he’s a better coach than the guy on the opposite sideline yet. Not once, the win against Cleveland included. Time for that to change!
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And now for the babe of the week . . .
Finsmob Unleashed 
Great answer Mike E, but I just can’t see this Offence moving the ball even if it does commit to the run. They are just too inconsistent and somewhere along the line, you know there’s a third and long (hell even a third and short) pass coming up that will fall incomplete and the offences heads will go down and …………. blah, blah, blah ………. you know how it ends.
I’m a big fan of peaty (west coast/island) Scotch Whisky. I never drink during a game, but I like your post-game medication suggestion.
Howie 37-13 Pitt
Nah, make it 44-13 Pitt
Gase hasn’t shown he’s a better coach than Philbin yet and VJ hasn’t shown he’s any better than Coyle.
Gase’s play calling hasn’t been any better than what everyone complained about with Lazor. The lack of a running game continues to be an issue because Gase doesn’t want to commit to the run but, instead, wants to try and put points up by passing it too much.
Even if the O line was giving RT the protection he needed every play, throwing the ball 41 times a game with him at qb is NOT the best way to try and put points on the board.
I have to give you the BOTW !
On the brighter side I, for one, am getting excited about the prospect of having a shot at drafting Myles Garrett.
Tim Knight says:
October 12, 2016 at 9:42 pm
It’s funny, this blog thrives more during hard times. I remember during winning streaks it was kind of dead. LOL
From the previous post,
Tim
That is because back when the Dolphins had winning streaks, the internet wasn’t even invented yet..
either that or during winning streaks it’s because during ejaculation the blood leaves the brain and goes to the penis and everyone is passed out on the floor. just a thought.
Happy Birthday Sonny! 🕯
UK
BTW – Love the adjective you used to describe our offense. I’ve personally never used that word, it must be a British thing, like wanker, but turgid sounds like what our offense has been for sure. 🙂
Happy birthday Son
Happy B-day to Son!
Looks like Reshad Jones will be a game time decision with a groin injury. Big Ben must be drooling . . .
He was probably just salivating before the Jones injury
Turgid is when someone poops in your laundry machine and you accidentally wash your clothes in it.
Do you have to use deturgid to get it out?
Ravens claimed Billy Turnstile
HAPPY B’DAY, SON!! MAY you be a Grandpa on your NEXT BIRTHDAY!!
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OUR PLACE LOOKS LIKE A WAR ZONE! Tomorrow is moving day. MIKE E: The reason we’re moving 6 miles is because the owner of this small house we’re renting liked the improvements we made so much that he decided to SELL THE HOUSE OUT FROM UNDER US! –NO good deed goes unpunished! Fortunately, the new house is MUCH BIGGER. MORE relatives can visit (not always a good thing in my view, but USUALLY a good thing!)
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WHY IS ANYONE SHOCKED THAT GASE has proven to be no better than Philbin, who proved no better than SPARANO?!?!? —The man who hired all three of these “DOOFUS BRIGADE” members is none other than STEVE ROSS, who has utterly FAILED in several attempts to hire a good coach, a good GM/Man in charge of football operations, or a team Vice President or President. STEVE ROSS PICKS ‘EM, AND THEY FAIL—THAT’S THE TRUTH!! Until Ross either sells the team or completely removes himself from the selection process, the results likely will ALWAYS BE THE SAME – – – FRUSTRATING FAILURE!!
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Now, to be fair to GASE, Don Shula in his prime could NOT WIN with this pile of shit roster Gase has to deal with. Ross’s failure to fire Tannenbaum tells me he still has some faith in T-Baum—-
—and that’s a horribly stupid sign! This organization needs to be TOTALLY REBUILT in virtually all departments, tho’ Ross still can’t see it!!! New scouting department, new players, new GM, several new players — the whole franchise needs an over haul. Until ROSS faces up to this stark reality, things will be HORRID with this franchise.
BUT WE’LL STILL HAVE EACH OTHER!! – – And thanks, Mike, for another great column!–Hope I’m able to “plug into” this site after we move. – – Randy Campbell, the OLD DOLFAN
YES, I mentioned “new players” TWICE. –There’s an obvious need to do so, since Ross often “Just doesn’t get the message!”
Ross has always been about style over substance. he put the money into the stadium and hired his right hand man Garfinkel to oversee the project in order to “enhance the overall fan experience” and both don’t get that what people want more than anything when they go to the game is to see a winning football team or at least a competitive one.
People don’t go there for the fancy expensive seats that are available or for the food or other amenities like the technology advancements.
Nobody gives a shit that stuff if the team isn’t winning. So, if we continue to play this way as long as Ross is the owner he’s going to have a beautiful empty stadium and that’s it.
If Ross wants to do something good for the team, I agree, Tannenbaum’s got to go. I don’t care if he fires him during the season if the team continues to lose. He’s probably told Ross the team was in good shape from a talent perspective and Ross is seeing it’s not. But, in the end, I think you’re right that Ross really needs to sell the team to someone who has a clue.
OD, I agree about Ross. he’s the main problem with this org. So as long as he’s owner we’ll be lucky to win 8 games.
Happy Birthday Son !!!! Good write Mike E. Me Lickey Nancy.
OD
Wow, that kinda sucks, but hopefully it turns out to be a better situation for you guys.
Thanks Doggy!
Nice job Mike. I don’t agree that in the offseason we thought Turner and thomas have been serviceable. We’ve known for 2 seasons that neither can play in the NFL. But this FO thought to evaluate first before purging the garbage. So basically telling us fans to not expect crap in 2016.
That’s fair. I just think you have to have depth guys, and neither one was supposed to be the first, or even second one off the bench. Urbik and Steen were the first two off the bench. The Ravens have a couple of injuries themselves, and Billy Turner will likely be starting for them. To me, that just reinforces the point that sometimes you just need a body. I think we hit that point last week.
Happy Birthday SOASOAS
Not sure why you don’t use turgid Mike E but you have my permission to go ahead and use it freely henceforth.
I just ask two things. You give me a share of any royalties you get paid for using it and you whisper in Mrs. E’s ear that your pride and joy is turgid when you next become aroused. I suspect that’ll be the end of your fun for the evening and it’ll be back to “the hand”. And there you are, we’ve gone full circle back to the other word you never use!
PS What is the American equivalent of a wanker – a jerk-off? It just doesn’t have the same crushing put down quality for me!
LOL – You got it bud. It sounds much better with a Brooklyn accent though
LOL @ Mike on “For some reason, this is the type of game we might win, because it’s silly!”
Good job, man.
Thanks Tim – Gotta admit, it would be silly if we beat the Steelers
Happy birthday Son!
I’ve always liked turgid and wanker. I also liked bloody. The English just have good slang.
I think that if our OL is never on the field together, that might also affect our turgid running game. Another reason our running game doesn’t get going is because we don’t convert any 3rd downs. If you are always punting early, there’s just not enough plays to get the running game going before you are down 19-0, 31-3, etc. If we didn’t have a punt return, we would have been down 17-7 at half to the awful Titans. When your defense is swiss cheese and your offense can’t convert any 3rd downs, you just won’t have a lot of time to focus on running the ball.
I don’t know about Ross as the source of the problem with this franchise
He does a lot of things I want an owner to do
I can’t pick him apart per se
I do think he seems to take too long to address a situation and has clung to guys like Ireland/Philbin/Sparano when he should not have
maybe he is not good at evaluating performances bc he is not around enough?
hard to say as an outsider into the organization
but I will offer another explanation into the team’s failures since Ross has been owner:
Ryan Tannehill
by the time Ross bought the team Parcells/Ireland/Sparano was already in place
Then by the time we parted ways with them (except Ireland) we drafted Tannehill and began to attempt to build a team around a franchise QB
and the franchise QB is no franchise QB
If anyone ever suggests that you draft a guy who played WR in college to play QB in the NFL – just say no
it was a mistake to saddle our success to Tannehill
Is Ross responsible for that direction? He might be
He is basically responsible for everything
But that doesn’t mean, a change of direction in the way the team is built can’t yield different results under Ross
This team just went way off course to becoming a winning team
Piggy
Didn’t Tannehill start as a QB at TAMU, but he was beat out, and wanted to play, so he worked out at WR? That’s what I thought was the case
Tanny was a WR who was asked to play QB in college when the situation required it. I live surrounded by Longhorn and Aggie rivalry and know way more than I care to about Aggie football. lol
MikeE… here’s a question based on something I read this a.m. (thus no submission in previous days):
Despite personal opinions on Kaep, he can opt to be FA this offseason…. Should Dolphins consider this? I remember the year he was drafted. Several here were drooling for him. Thanks.
I was one of the main droolers Rhino, but I don’t think so. We don’t need any of the distractions that come with him, and if Tannehill proves he’s not our man, and he’s getting close to accomplishing that, we need to draft a top QB, and if we continue to play as poorly as we have, we should be able to do that and will be picking top 5
Piggy, Rhino
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Tannehill
thank god for wikipedia. lol I remember him at Big Spring HS.
Ryan Mallett graduated the same year from Texarkana, another kid from east Texas near college station (but didn’t go there), Tanny was not considered a ‘pro’ style but more of a runner.
Tannehill was born in Lubbock, Texas, but grew up in Big Spring, Texas. He attended Big Spring High School, where he played high school football and basketball and ran track. He played 10 games at defensive back his sophomore season. As a junior, he passed for 2,510 yards and rushed for 922 at quarterback. He took his team to the playoffs as a senior, passing for 5,258 yards and rushing for another 617. He had to miss two games due to a separated shoulder in the second game of his senior year. He also posted three receptions for 62 yards and compiled a 39.2 punt average with a long of 84 yards as a senior. He received second-team District 4-4A honors for both his junior and senior seasons.[1]
2008 season[edit]
See also: 2008 Texas A&M Aggies football team
Before Tannehill’s second season, Mike Sherman took over as head coach. In summer camp, Tannehill competed against veteran quarterback Stephen McGee and redshirt sophomore Jerrod Johnson for the starting quarterback position. He finished third in the contest, behind Johnson and then McGee. Sherman, whose offense utilizes true receivers, moved him to wide receiver
BTW – He was a redshirt freshman
Another question. (yes, I have the morning off) lol:
Am I the only one, after 40 years, who is contemplating giving up on my “never cheer to lose” attitude?
I still don’t know if I can, once I see the uniforms on the field! I also worry that a top 3 pick is wasted along with the season (ahem, Dion Jordan). Yet, the opportunity to get a QB who has “instincts”, “vision” to go along with athleticism seems to be the only hope (with current rules).
I can’t cheer to lose
but I am sort of tuning out (not watching the game on Sunday)
and waiting for them to right the ship
Just kinda going to shrug a lot more while watching games
(Piggy Shrugs)
Mike
I didn’t mean that he didn’t play QB in college (or high school)
I just was referring to his time at WR in college
I think it set him back in terms of instincts but that is just one pig’s opinion
I would prefer to draft a QB in college, maybe even a senior, with a lot of experience in college playing the position after what we have witnessed the last few years.
That time has always mattered
This goes way back buy I remember when the Borncos drafted Tommy Maddux
And some experts (Maybe Kiper) instantly said he cam out to soon
and they were right
Maybe the same thing with Marc Sanchez
You need QBs to have a lot of reps in college as QBs
Look how ready Wentz looks!
I hear ya. I think we need to draft a top prospect, like you said, and NFL ready to go, plug-n-play QB. I hope we can get one
happy birthday son. I hope you have a great day and enjoy Jahn’s beers soon.
Happy Birthday Son!
Rhino
I won’t root for them to lose, but if I get any more disinterested, I probably just won’t watch anymore, and therefore, I won’t care if we win or lose.
It doesn’t matter who’s playing QB until you can block up front. Our main issues right now is trench play. We’re seeing what it looks like when you don’t have it on either side of the ball.
Happy Birthday Son!
tanny is on this list as he should be.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17778684/projecting-2017-nfl-quarterback-market
Yep
I don’t love the buy low line
but Browns and Bears please make an offer…..lol
so Chad Kelly is the nephew of Jim Kelly. Maybe we need some karma since those Bills probably kept Marino out of a couple more SB’s.
There are a lot of things to like about Chad Kelly
but he can be kind of a fuck too
certainly battle tested in the SEC
Ole Miss one a lot of games with him last year
but they are 3-2 so far this year
I tend to like to see QBs that win at the college level
Piggy,
I’ve always thought significant college experience was necessary and the stats prove it. The best QBs in the NFL have at least 2 full years of starting experience in college. That’s not to say guys like Cam can’t and dont do well but it’s a much longer and harder struggle. That’s also not to say that lots of experinece equals success but watching young guys like Carr, Prescott and Wentz…they are all doing very well and all had a ton of college experience. Im not super impressed with mot of the QBs this year coming out. Kizer at the top and Mason Rudolph is intriguing later
Kizer is probably the best QB in the draft
Rudolph Is not to far behind
CBS has him as a 2nd round pick but the 6th best QB
I guess on average 3 QBs go in the 1st round each year
So Ther eis a good chance guys like Rudolph, Rush and my new favorite name Beathhard are available after the first round
maybe even Kaaya, Kelly and Trubinsky are available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds
(Piggy Shrugs)
I’m pretty sure Kizer and Watson will go faiyly early
I like Watson the competitor. Not sure I like Watson the QB. Kizer and Kaaya play at the end of the month and I want to see what they bring. I wish Browning from Washington was a junior. He’d be my top prospect(but probably everyone else’s as well).
Sometimes you can get a Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins type a little later in the draft
some one with experience – a 4 year starter type
Maybe a guy like Josh Dobbs or CJ Beathhard
I don’t know much about Beathard – but I love his name
Yep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PIxYPHOWqE
They were going to charge me extra for “Son of a Son of a” so I had to cut some corners
Lol, Piggs
And thank you to everyone for the b-day wishes. You guys rock.
piggy,
it would be funny and Ironic if the browns take Tanny and hue jackson turns him into winner and they go to the playoffs. Jackson was the one I wanted for the phins HC job.
That would annoy me to no end Boulder.
That would not be funny
That would cause me to burn my house down
The Browns have a couple of good players
The Browns will have a high draft pick
so don’t expect them to give up a 2017 for Tannehill
They would be better off just drafting Kizer or Watson or whomever they want
LOL. me too.
Seems like tanny is not the only one holding the ball too long. But at least Luck moves around more than tanny.
“On Wednesday, quarterback Andrew Luck took some blame for all those sacks.
“You are going to have a clock in your head regardless of how much you are getting hit or not hit or sacked or whatever that is,” Luck said, via ESPN.com. “Again, I have said this before, I don’t think the sacks are necessarily indicative of how well our offensive line is playing. You can probably blame me for holding the ball too long. It is that clock developing in the game.””
Yeah
a little different way of responding though
….sigh
Ignoring the impact Tannehill has on the success or failure of the OL is shortsighted. Fix the OL all you want. Tannehill will still take sacks he shouldn’t….hold the ball too long because he can’t process information quickly…not read defenses appropriately and find an open receiver standing 5 yards away from him…be completely unable to change plays when needed. Some people act like he only screws up when his protection breaks down. That’s simply not true. Tannehill will still be a limited QB who isn’t a leader or a winner. We’ve wasted 5 years on this kid. Can we please move on?
I wanted Kubiak.
Boulder,
That’s Luck being a leader. Yeah, he sometimes holds the ball too long, but he’s taking one for his OL right there b/c they suck.
Piggy,
I’ve watched Beathard play a ton. He’s got some nice intangibles, but I don’t think he’s an NFL starter.
I’m just looking at late rounders
I’m still obsessed with improving defensively through the draft
The Flying Pig says:
October 13, 2016 at 12:20 pm
Kizer is probably the best QB in the draft
Rudolph Is not to far behind
CBS has him as a 2nd round pick but the 6th best QB
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missing the boat badly on CJ Beathard. CBSSports.com has him projected to go in the 4th rd but there’s probably not a more intelligent guy in the draft. His ball placement is just about flawless, he can make pretty much just about any throw, he runs his offense in college, uses his feet to avoid pressure, uses his feet to get yards, can read a D very well, sets his own protections and the list goes on and on and on.
Iowa isn’t a powerhouse when it comes to their team but there was a point in time he had them undefeated and he’s 16-4 as a starter.
Check him out. He’s not quite what Wentz was coming out and will need a little time to develop but this kid is good.
You and Randy should come to terms on this bc you just said the opposite of each other….lol
I haven’t even watched him play
and I suck at evaluating QBs in college anyway
Happy Birthday, son.
Lou,
I can’t disagree with most of what you say. I do think his arm is pretty average. He is a bright kid, but Iowa runs a very simple offense predicated on the running game. He’s an ok athlete but not anything more. He’s not the reason Iowa was successful last year. He was a part of it, for sure. But, he’s also part of why they’re losing this year. He’s not making plays. He doesn’t stand out to me at all, and I actually like him…as a college QB. Hey, if he’s there in the mid rounds, and somebody wants to take a chance on him, so be it, but I wouldn’t jump on him early. He’s nothing like Wentz.
A few things I look at when I look at a qb. Ball placement is one of the top things. His ball placement is fantastic. Other things like mobility, ability to feel pressure and buy time, which he has and understanding what’s going on. His football IQ is off the charts.
When I watch his interviews and see how much he knows it’s very impressive. For some reason I think he’s being discounted and I don’t know why.
He’s not a system qb and he’s not a game manager. You say he hasn’t made plays this year but look at how many times he bailed them out with his feet buying time, moving around and also running for first downs. He’s everything you want in a qb.
I think sometimes people get too worked up with the guys who are hyped and the guys who have the guns for an arm and think that’s all there is to being a qb.
A qb in the NFL has to be the complete package. Does he have the strongest arm? No. Is he the best athlete of all of them? no. But, I’ll take him over Kizer, Watson and even Kelly.
Lol i just read something that said that if the Bills are smart they just play the national anthem anytime the 9’ers get to 3rd down lol…..genius!
LOL
LOL
Happy
Birthday
Son
Update
DOLPHINS-STEELERS
Old 45-13 PIT
Howie 51-6 PIT
N/A 48-16 PIT
Wyo 42-17 PIT
Piggy24-21 MIA
B’man38-13 PIT
MikeE24-23 MIA
Rock 41-6 PIT
Bold 27-7 PIT
UK 44-13 PIT
GO PHINS!!!
Lou,
I’ve watched almost every game Beathard has played. I just don’t see him as a starter at the next level. He’s not having a good year this year either. But, you never know.
Randy, let’s say Tannehill was no longer on the team. I’d still say the same thing about our trench play on both sides of the ball. It hasn’t been good and it sucks!
Adam Beasley ✔ @AdamHBeasley
NFL trade deadline is Nov. 1, FYI. Dolphins would save millions against the cap and in real dollars by moving Wake
Some one’s going to trade for Wake?
I would take it if they did
Yeah a team would definitely add a pass rusher like him. He still has that edge rush ability, just not getting the sacks yet, just one.
Rhino says:
October 13, 2016 at 11:23 am
Tanny was a WR who was asked to play QB in college when the situation required it. I live surrounded by Longhorn and Aggie rivalry and know way more than I care to about Aggie football. lol
This is categorically wrong. Ryan Tannehill was a high school QB and when he came to the Aggies he red-shirted his first year. (2007) in 2008 Sherman went with Stephen McGee as QB (drafted the in 2009 in the 4th round by the Cowboys) instead of a red-shirt-freshman. Tannehill wanted to play so HE asked to be moved to WR where the team needed help. While playing WR he was also back up QB and attended every QB meeting and did everything the other QB’s did ON TOP OF what he had to do as a WR.
He is not a WR trying to play QB. He was a QB who played WR.
That said, he sucks anyway.
chicken v egg
Lou,
Thoughts on Cal’s QB Davis Webb?
I like his footwork, has a funky looks like he’s throwing darts delivery, and average velocity.
Accuracy downfield seems onpoint.
There’s a few highlight where i see him eyeballing the safties for a deep pattern while sitting in the pocket and then rolling quickly to hit a WR on a comebacker near the sidelines.
At this point, let’s throw the inexperience card out the window for RT.
I don’t care how few games or games in general he played in college.
He has enough games under his NFL belt to qualify him as a QB.
I know someone mentioned the factor of QB experience in college for the good QB today in the NFL but there are plenty of seasoned college QB who have sucked in the NFL (vs those who are good).
Let’s also not take into account that our pass pro was abysmal last game. 18 pass attempts, 9 hits and 6 sacks. Even Gase was like really? We know what happened yesterday with roster moves.
son of a son of a shula says:
October 13, 2016 at 12:34 pm
Lol, Piggs
And thank you to everyone for the b-day wishes. You guys Rock.
I had not extended my birthday wishes yet, but your welcome anyway.
Happy birthday old man!
You really Rock. Thanks
I just read that Fulton Walker age 58 died on Wednesday. RIP
Lou, i like some of what i see with Bethard, i think he has limits on his deep passing but for what our offense does he should be pretty good. I think of him a lot like i did about Garopolo the year he came out, with maybe a slight nod to Garopolo from coming from a system with a more complex passing system. Bethard i think is in a system thats really simple, so its not hard to be able to do some of the stuff he does but he has a nice base of ability to work with.
Randy and Lou will like this. ouch
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/13/ryan-tannehill-adam-gase-dolphins?xid=socialflow_twitter_si
He’s the expert. LOL
He has a point don’t you think?
What point that is any different than anyone else who puts it all on the QB? Anyone watch the blocking on this team?
I’m not saying Tannehill is good enough, he may not be, but how do you come to that conclusion with such poor pass pro? Most of this is really coming off of last game and that was an example of what unqualified OL looks like.
So on one hand why did it take so long for Gase to figure this out, then on the other it’s as if that never happened. It doesn’t add up does it?
Al, Davis Webb is my number 3 QB of whom i would like to get. Id be looking for Chad Kelly in the 2nd if still available just due to his skill set and i think a lot of room to grow. He comes with warning labels, but i think id be willing to use a second rounder on him and take that risk with Gase mentoring him. I like Luke Faulk in the 3rd. I have Davis Webb as a 4th round option, with a couple other guys like, Bethard, or Rudolph, and Dobbs as a 5th or 6th round kind of guy, if for some reason we just completely neglect the position again. Dobbs is a real gamer, he looks like a eggshell colored Sloth from “Goonies”, but he has a relentless drive to keep competing despite the circumstance. He doesn’t have the best passing skills IMO, but he can make all the throws if he can just refine his ball placement.
I’ve seen Web play since the buffs are in pac 12. he was actually gonna come to CU first then switched to Cal. I’m glad he didn’t come to the buffs. CUs redshirt freshman montez is outplaying web.
He’s got his problems but from what i see he has something to work with. You, and i for that matter, think if we draft a QB we should be aiming higher than him, but i think as a prospect he would be game worthy with a year of experience. Probably an ugly first year but i think he could grow into a player.
Tim, yes yes yes yes yes….pass pro was bad yesterday, it has been up and down all year but he hasnt done shit even when it has been ok or even good. One bad does not preclude the other. When he makes his throws they are often off, he often makes the wrong call on who he throws to, he doesnt read the defense well pre or post snap, he doesnt have pocket presence he doesnt protect the ball, he stares down one receiver, he only scans one side of the field, ehe has no touch on his screens or fades, these arent just pass pro problems man.
I know you may understand he is part of the problem but with the way you defend him you seem to act as if you think these are all someone’s problem other than him, oh the OL play, oh the defense, oh this oh that. Be real with us, do you seriously think everyone else causes Tanny to make bad throws or can you admit he is a bad QB?
Sorry last week not yesterday
He hasn’t done shit? Do you want some videos? LOL
I look at the entire team. You can’t talk about the chicken without the egg. Doesn’t work that way. And no I do not think Tannehill is a bad QB. That doesn’t mean I think he’s real good either. 😉
It’s elementary.
Watson!
Get Watson and get to winning
Happy Birthday Son!
Thanks bud see you in a week. Enjoy the steeler game and your first visit to the canopy.
RIP Fulton – Way too young
Damn he was young enough o be your son!
Definitely young enough to be my brother. Sucks man, I remember that kickoff return for a TD in the SB.
This is how i see the QB groupings.
Tier 1
Watson
Kizer
Kaaya….slipping, for on field reasons, a little
Kelly……slipping, for off field reasons, a little
Tier 2
Trubesky
Faulk
Rudolph
Tier 3
Webb
Mahomes
Russell
Bethard
Mayfield
Leidner
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I am holping we are targeting a Tier 1 guy, id be happy with whichever falls to the early second. I think Kelly is best fit because of the system he comes from in college. It matches up with the uptempo system we are trying to run so it would be an easier transition. If we went Watson or Kizer, probably even Kaaya we would be looking at at very latest drafting them with a top 10 selection, lowering our chance of trading back or taking a defensive position with our top pick. Any of them would be a day one enhancement at the position, i think some of them have higher ceilings than others. Kelly feels best for us to me.
I think a tier 2 guy would give us a pretty even replacement day 1, but we would suffer through another tough year before maybe seeing light at the end of the tunnel towards the end of the year. Upside of going that way would be we could use a couple higher picks on defense, OL or maybe even TE.
Last Tier 3 means we are going to probably spend a little time getting one of those guys going. Im not sure the drop off would be huge, but we might not see positive traction until into the second year of their playtime.
I still think we should bring up Doughty, go to a two TE set for extra protection, short high percentage passing plays, with a heavy dose of run game. Rotate the WR’s to get the young guys in there, meaning Caroo and Grant. We should have 0 problems running that basic pats offense with the personnel we have. Thier OL is just as bad as our, they just dont hold on to it long enough for it to matter.
Tanny will get this home stand at the least. If it keeps going in this direction anything could happen.
Agreed.
Until he’s snapped in half. LOL
Seriously, like I asked yesterday, any chance we actually see the projected 5 OL play together this week and maybe start a run of consistency and solid play?
LT Albert
LG Tunsil
C Pouncey
RG Bushrod
RT James
Tim there are things you can see in a QB that have nothing to do with the pass pro. There are also times he has plenty of time to throw and he does the same things, so its not a matter of how much time he has, its surely a factor but its very much he is a bad QB to go on top of bad pass pro. Pat OL is rated WORSE than ours, and they get rid of it, both a second year guy playing his first games, and a rookie. It is a good portion of him that is wrong.
Yes I know. But let’s say yes the OL has been bad, but… some more. LOL
Tim Knight says:
October 13, 2016 at 5:43 pm
He hasn’t done shit? Do you want some videos? LOL
I look at the entire team. You can’t talk about the chicken without the egg. Doesn’t work that way. And no I do not think Tannehill is a bad QB. That doesn’t mean I think he’s real good either.😉
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Then there is no more chance of debating you than there is the way you see Lou and Randy.
LOL, I watch the games and root for the team, man. I’m nowhere near as bias as you think I am. But that’s okay,
I see Randy and Lou as no different than anyone else. Names (people) who type opinions. It’s not personal. 🙂
How is Doughty going to be snapped in half? Tannehill hasn’t been snapped in half yet….
Doughty looks really thin and RT has shown to be very durable. Many QBs are not.
Here’s my hypothetical for the day.
If Ryan Tannehill was the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, how do you think he’d be doing right now, and how do you think the team would be doing?
probably up and down
maybe not as bad as he is doing for us
I don’t think they would be a playoff team with Tannehill
Same as they are.
Maybe 2-3, He’d be doing a little better maybe les sakcs, but i think he would still have roughtly the same int/TD ratio. I also think we would be 3-2 with Dak, i think we win everything but the pats and maybe Cincy game with Dak.
I think the Cowboys would most definitely be a playoff team with Tannehill at QB. No question in my mind. Great O-line, great running game, he’d be having a much better year there than he is here. I think he’s a better QB than Dak Prescott, he’s just in that ideal situation.
You’re forgetting the then main factor facing the Cowboys and it’s tough on a team – Tannehill
Lol
LOL – I think he’d do just fine there, I really do. He’s still a guy that the last 2 years had a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, and a comp % over 60. He probably needs to get out of Miami if he ever wants a true shot of succeeding.
Or… these guys start playing together, stay fuckin healthy, develop and build some chemistry. The past tells me that probably won’t happen but we can hope for the best. LOL
LT Albert
LG Tunsil
C Pouncey
RG Bushrod
RT James
He is not better than Dak. He has more experience, but he is not as good.
You guys are a little off man. He won 29 games for this hideous franchise in 4 years, but he could only win 2 games with the Cowboys. You’ve really gone over the top to disparage him, it’s crazy IMO.
The scapegoat effect.
Im done here. You guys with 0 ability to defend him any more than we do for our condemnation of him and you call us crazy. Here is a mirror talk to yourself about this god send of a QB we have and how if we changed the entire organization to fit him we might get back to 8-8.
Mike there is no doubt that the situation is better for Dak than Tanny but you cannot say with a straight face Tanny would be doing what Dak is there…..no friggin way thats true.
He just did. LOL
What, you don’t think Tannehill could throw 4 freaking TD’s? I’d bet he’d have 8-10, because they can actually run a play action pass in Dallas. He’d surely have a few INT’s, maybe 3-4, but with a run game complimenting him, he’d be doing much better than he would here. You forget how much of a different situation it is here, I really think you can’t appreciate how bad it is here. If you get your wish, and either Doughty or Moore gets to play, you’re the ones that will be making the excuses! lol
Mike E. says:
October 13, 2016 at 5:59 pm (Edit)
Here’s my hypothetical for the day.
If Ryan Tannehill was the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, how do you think he’d be doing right now, and how do you think the team would be doing?
I wouldn’t care, because he’s not on our team. 🙂
I would care, because why not see what the statue can do somewhere else
D says:
October 13, 2016 at 6:34 pm
Im done here. You guys with 0 ability to defend him any more than we do for our condemnation of him and you call us crazy. Here is a mirror talk to yourself about this god send of a QB we have and how if we changed the entire organization to fit him we might get back to 8-8.
D
You can be done all you want. That’s fine. I’m not saying Tannehill is any better than a middle of the pack QB, I said it in my damn article if you read it, I said maybe a little below mid pack this year, but that’s on this team. To say he would only win 2 games on the Cowboys just seems over the top to me. I can’t help it, I think it’s too extreme bro.
How would you know it would be more…would any number that didnt fit your idea of the number have been anything but crazy….so ask us a question then say nope your are wrong, you are crazy you just are over the top….blah blah blah. Mike knows all, guess thats why we ask him to answer questions each week.
I don’t know for sure D, but 2-3 seems like a low bid just for the sake of making a low bid. Yeah, I think I know all. I really, really don’t feel that way in the least. I think my knowledge here is average, and I think yours is above average. If you’d like to write, be my guest. I write to fill up a day with an article. If you really feel that I write my articles thinking I know more than anyone else, that would piss me off 100 times more than any other opinion you might have put forth on this blog.
What was the right answer mike…3, 4?….no wait they would be 5-0
Im not faulting you for your articles Mike…. I appreciate those…i dont appreciate you telling me im crazy because i differ in opinion on how much he contributes to our failure.
Have you guys ever noticed that Mike E seems to thinks he knows it all and writes his article just to try and rub he knows it all in everyone’s face.
I wasnt attacking the fucking articles….i was attacking the fucking attitude of …you are crazy because you came up with a different answer than mine.
No! But I do find myself agreeing with him about this team. It’s like we’re the same person. LOL
That doesn’t mean I’m happy about it either. I’m very disappointed in this team. The Miami Dolphins, not just one or two or a few people.
D
I didn’t say you were crazy, I said it’s crazy how far you guys are going to disparage Tannehill. Not quite the same thing.
So my attempt is to disparage Tannehill…not a legitimate opinion i have come from what i have seen on that field….its AGENDA!
I think we’re all crazy. Just sayin….
Can’t argue that.
Mike you have judged me twice now on my opinion of Tanny. I spent better part of a afternoon explaining myself once to you. When i made that comment just now you went straight into oh you are just saying 2 because you want to say he sucks and 2 justifies that. I said 2 because i think he contributes about 50% to success or failure. So even on a good team with a good OL he is going to half their wins, so 2 wins, vs 4. I think that Prescott managing the game well ALLOWS that offense to work, his ability to move when he needs to, something Tanny doenst do, to pick up a first on third down, with his legs or a past the first down marker completion instead a 3 yard behind it completion, etc are reasons too, why they are winning. See last year when Dallas was worse than us, behind inconsistent to bad QB play as an example of how much the QB matters. Same OL same D, same good RB play… 5 wins. Tell me how you think with a bad QB they are 4-1.
I guess I still believe Tannehill being “bad” is a product of the environment he plays in. Take the “bad” QB, and put him on a good team, everything changes. Everything. Everything slows down, and besides the much better protection, Zeke is churning out yards at a record pace, with 546 yards, and 5 TD’s.
So just sitting around wondering, have any of you guys noticed how bad the QB is on this team. Probably not, since i seldom see anyone on here broach the topic. oh well just thought it might be something fun to talk about
No we aren’t allowed to talk about him. Every time we do some crazy guy comes on here and bitches about how we only blame him for everything.
D says:
October 13, 2016 at 6:56 pm
Mike you have judged me twice now on my opinion of Tanny.
Not just him, I think everyone here thinks you are a capital D
Go write another check man….
🙂
D
Did the Cowboys have Ezekiel Elliott last year?
Rhetorical question, no need to answer. Just saying it’s not really the same team as it was last year.
Cowboys have 776 YDS rushing, Dak has 61. That’s an awful lot of rushing yards man, it really is. More than 3 times what we have.
D says:
October 13, 2016 at 7:00 pm
Go write another check man….
Fucking D
herdfan says:
October 13, 2016 at 7:00 pm
No we aren’t allowed to talk about him. Every time we do some crazy guy comes on here and bitches about how we only blame him for everything.
that is really cute how you say that like there are some on here who are not crazy and never bitch
I just said we’re all crazy….
herdfan says:
October 13, 2016 at 7:06 pm
I just said we’re all crazy….
funny, i knew i read that some where
Mike E. says:
October 13, 2016 at 7:01 pm
I guess I still believe Tannehill being “bad” is a product of the environment he plays in. Take the “bad” QB, and put him on a good team, everything changes. Everything. Everything slows down, and besides the much better protection, Zeke is churning out yards at a record pace, with 546 yards, and 5 TD’s.
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You will never know and i will. I have seen him do things bad QB’s do. I was about to list them but i have done that enough…. These arent bad team things, these are bad QB things. I totally agree with those things help, but they dont make as much a difference without a balance to that of a person that give you a chance in the passing game. Look at the defense that play us, you want to know what they think about Tanny, all ya gotta see is how they handle the LB’s. Sending multiple LB’s damn near every play is a direct sign that they dont think the QB read the D well enough to burn them in passing game. It shows 0 believe that the QB can get it done and even the OL in dallas cant stop 7 men with 5-6 players.
sorry….i will never know either.
D – But don’t you think those teams also know we can’t run the ball, or just don’t run the ball, and the O-line can’t black, and when Tannehill (and most QB’s) are under pressure, they perform worse? There’s a reason why all of those th9ngs are true D, because we’re so limited. We try to run a short passing game, they clog up the short routes, and then Tannehill gets sacked, or pressured, hit and does something bad. I think it’s just way too often. It just seems like you’re looking at Tannehill in a vacuum. It’s not just Tannehill these teams are looking at, we’re just predictable and can’t execute. We don’t run, we basically do the same thing week in and week out. We never move the pocket, we’re easy to defend.
Mike, the running game wouldnt be effective if they didnt have to play their LB back to keep Dak from exploiting the middle zone. It is a balance. They dont do that with us….watch it, every play right up there on the line….
OK, I think I’ve had enough of this. D, I love ya man, I just think your objectivity with Tannehill could be a little more fair, and mine could be a little more realistic. We’ll find out when he’s gone, and someone else takes his place, and he goes to another team, and he surely will.
I said that the other day, and if you had objectively read that comment i said i hope the best for him when he gets there and i hope he does turn it around…some kinda dick statement for a guy who just wants to disparage him.
It’s not that I think you hate him D, I think all of us go to extremes to prove our point or to make our stand. That’s all I’m saying. Don’t take what I’m saying so personally.
Mike how am i looking at Tanny in a vaccum, its a flipping game with 11 players on the field all of which when they dont do something right you can see it. I see when the OL doesnt do something right, i see when he had to hurry a throw because he didnt have protection, but there are a lot of other plays dude. Did those also get messed up from a previous play…are we now putting the OL in a vaccum, and saying even when you do your assignment right you still made him nervous previously so this one counts against you too.
Come on thats too much defending him. If he is that much of damaged good that he cant even play good when the blocking is good then tell me how many good plays he has to have before all the scary dreams are gone? maybe you are right, you have me figured out, i have an agenda to bash the poor guy….just something about that opie taylor face that just irks the fuck out of me, or maybe im just jealous of his hot ass wife. Seriously dude, i care as much as you or anyone here about this team, if i felt he was the guy i would be right there fucking defending him, if i though it truly was the environment only and that fixing that made him turn into a superstar id be wanting that.
I do not feel that way and it doesn’t come from agenda, or bias, or anything other than observation of him for almost 5 years now. So if you keep telling me having my opinion means im crazy or just doing it to disparage him, im going to keep taking offense to it, because you are making it personal. You should really stop and eval what you are saying and see if you would like me to take your same opinions and call them what you are calling mine.
I only say vacuum, because opposing teams are playing against our whole team, or coaches, our O-line, our porous defense,, and our shell shocked QB, and they game plan against all of that. They know we don’t do one particular thing well except punt and punt returns and kick returns.
Yes but their defensive strategy starts first with it the QB can hurt ya. If he cant they can and will shut down the run.
Mike E. says:
October 13, 2016 at 7:32 pm
It’s not that I think you hate him D, I think all of us go to extremes to prove our point or to make our stand. That’s all I’m saying. Don’t take what I’m saying so personally.
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Seemed personal…i was only one that responded 2. You called 2 crazy and then followed it up with only way i could come up with 2 was to disparage Tanny…. No basis to my argument… Nothing there, just plucked 2 out of ether to support my lack of a valid argument.
Im not that person and i would think was very obvious by now. I present arguments with support to the argument. I show plays and break down the plays to support arguments. I have acknowledge everything you have said about the OL…or the defense, etc. Im just not going to excuse all his faults and lack of quality play on those items. He gets his share of the blame with me.
It wasn’t, and it was cumulative, you’re far from the only one who feels that way.
Isnt that a good reason to not think its so crazy….
Maybe, maybe not
Good enough imo. I dont agree with yours, Tim’s, and FFR depending on what dress he wore today…. but im not about to call it crazy because its an opinion shared by some, therefore making it possibly right with no discernible way to prove otherwise.
Glad you guys got that settled….so did Dallas win or no? 😉 lol
2-3…..still
Damn…i should have paid attention to the forecast today….i would have seen this all coming and had the appropriate umbrella.
Dynamite please !
Nice job Mike E but Hulk still say boom!
D,
first of all i pretty much have never said much of anything about thill other then just an average qb and tried to drive the conversation to other parts of this team cause the thill has been beaten to death and the other parts of the team are as bad or worse then him. Oh yeah that and he has a super hot wife.
second, dont you concern yourself much on what dress i am wearing, what you should really be concerned with is what i am or am not wearing under the dress.
Hopefully you am
Lol
herdfan says:
October 13, 2016 at 7:55 pm
Glad you guys got that settled….so did Dallas win or no? 😉 lol
that’s pretty fucking funny.
Took a chance and sent an email to GDP at the email I had for him from way back. He says ‘sorry for the scare and long delay….was w/o power for a bit….don’t get on the blog or other things from my ph or work.
Power back on now. Had some damage that I’m trying to work thru, etc….life UGH!
But I’m ok physically thank God…’
Also doubts he can make the fest now and will try to be back on the blog soon.
Whew! All accounted for.
That is good news, well relatively speaking anyway.
Thanks Herd
Good to hear. Too bad he’ll miss the fest.
Good to hear he’s okay
Thanks for reaching out to him Herd