Game Day – Patriots @ Dolphins – Week 17

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  1. Mike E. says:

    Damn Wyo – That article was a real piece of trash. Did a 10 year old write it? 😉

  2. BoulderPhinfan says:

    if joseph is gone I hope we switch to 3-4 and hire wade phillips.

    • Mike E. says:

      What do you with Suh? DE?

      • Mike E. says:

        PLUS, we have to bring in at least 3-4 LB’s here to play a 3-4

      • steveccnv says:

        Suh and Mitchell at DE, Phillips in the middle. Wake at OLB, Alonso inside. That leaves Misi, Jones and Branch to man 2 spots. Now I have no idea how these guys would transition, other than the ones that have already played those positions, like Wake, and it takes Suh out of the middle, but I’d give it a try.

  3. Mahomes expected to declare today

  4. Mike E. says:
    January 3, 2017 at 10:07 am
    PLUS, we have to bring in at least 3-4 LB’s here to play a 3-4


    If Dion Jordan can ever get his act together he would be the perfect OLB for a 3-4 set up with his physical traits. That’s a big if, though.

    • Mike E. says:

      No question Vinnie, he would be, but man, we both know you can’t be counting on him. I suppose Branch could be a 3-4 OLB, and Wake as well

  5. wyoming85 says:

    Mike E
    I was surprised to see Tanny’s name in that article?

    But I was looking for a LB!
    Cushing anyone?

    • Mike E. says:

      LOL – I didn’t go any further . . . I always think of steroids when I think of Cushing. I’d like Melvin Ingram, Jamie Collins, Chandler Jones, and a couple of others I can’t think of at the moment.

  6. Mike E. says:


    None of our current LB’s are ideal for a 3-4, so we’d basically have to get rid of them all. I like Alonso, and I think he’d be a fine WOLB in a 4-3, but I don’t see him as a 3-4 LB fit.

  7. Ken says:

    Switching to a 3-4 makes no sense with our DL personnel

  8. Ken says:

    Dion Jordan is done even if he is a good fit at OLB he will never see the field with this team again

  9. 81Howie says:

    Screw Them
    Tanny has turned the corner and is light years better than we had the 1st 4 seasons.
    I have become a believer and thats all that counts

  10. sb7mvp says:

    Whoever the DC is needs to teach tackling skills and how to diagnose a play.

  11. 81Howie says:

    First Ever Playoff Edition
    Piggy 31-24 MIA
    Son 18-16 MIA
    Howie 27-24 MIA

  12. Jets expected to clean house. If we could get Rodgers back to coach the d-line next season it would be great.

  13. D says:

    Like i said perviously, converting to a 3-4 for us right now would take a couple years of drafting and free agent pickups to be able to flip the switch. We could do some set up pickups this year, guys who could play other positions in a 4-3 and once we got the complement of players flip over then, or we would just have to spend big in FA to get the right guys as a here and now kinda thing.

    LB would be a complete re-do, almost none of our current unit would be able to transition over, and we might have enough guys on DL to have a set of starters capable of playing, but we would need a starting caliber rotational player and a depth player at each position.

    Like is aid before we would need about 10 players to make that change happen and still be effective on defense. I put up a mock draft a week or so back that was a “if we are going to switch” draft. Tim Williams would for sure be more of my target if we are going 3-4, than Reuben Foster, though i think Foster would be a goof ILB in 3-4 as well. We would want Williams though, to be our Von Miller.

  14. D says:

    Whats with all the band wagon guys now. I said the other day Vance Joseph was going to be one of the most sought after guys this post season and everyone shot me down say no way he was going to get teams wanting to have him as HC, he just now got a DC job, yadda yadda….

    • Mike E. says:

      I’m not on your bandwagon. I don’t feel strongly either way, although if I were hiring a defensive coach to be my HC, I’d at least want him to be really successful in his last stop, and it’s pretty hard to say he’s been really successful here, at least as far as the performance of the defense.

      • D says:

        I think its his approach to coaching and his relationship witht he players that they are looking at as the right skills for a HC. I get what you are saying, i was just being real with what was the facts regarding other teams interest. I had heard previously that he was a top candidate option for a couple different teams.

      • Mike E. says:

        I can see that, that he does have a good rapport with the players, but I’d also want that to translate into them playing well. It seems Denver really likes him, and so do a couple of others. If he goes, I’m fine with it. I think we can find a good replacement

  15. Mike E. says:

    D says:

    January 3, 2017 at 11:36 am (Edit)

    Like i said perviously
    I KNEW you were a PERV!

    • D says:

      Was waiting for this reply lol…. didnt know it was going to be you that caught it lo, i think i was thinking Tim would be the guy

  16. D says:

    Lou, its the depth at the position thats going to push him down and the fact there are some really top guys at other spots with significant drop off after making people choose to select others and push them down to us, or at least that’s my feeling on it. They are for certain top 15 talent, i just think we will benefit from a draft pool that will give us a shot at one of them.

    • I don’t think Williams is limited to being a 3-4 OLB though his pass rushing ability could help us. He can play the run well and he’s covered rb’s out of the backfield. But, just don’t see him being around at #24. That’s a huge stretch.

      • D says:

        I think Williams will be gone, i think Foster might be around though. Williams is very good and i think he could play in a 4-3 scheme. He could also line up in the 9 technique and rush the passer out of a 4-3 base package. He has the skills to play in both, i just think he is very elite 3-4 OLB, so id like to play him to his strengths, is really what im saying.

  17. D says:

    Gase may be able to get Hurt now. I had kind of hoped they would get him last year before we found out we were blocked. We should be able to get him now though if they are thinking they need a transition.

  18. Mike E. says:
    January 3, 2017 at 10:45 am

    None of our current LB’s are ideal for a 3-4, so we’d basically have to get rid of them all. I like Alonso, and I think he’d be a fine WOLB in a 4-3, but I don’t see him as a 3-4 LB fit.


    No arguments coming from here. I’m fine with staying in a 4-3. With spread offenses now, base packages don’t even matter as much anymore.

    No matter what, we need LBs. They all suck besides Alonso.

  19. D says:

    Where is Washburn going, i hadnt heard he was leaving

  20. Ryan Winters ‏@WintersNFL 33m
    33 minutes ago

    RT17 is closer to Aaron Rodgers than Matt Moore is to Tannehill.

  21. Unrelated to the Dolphins. Who are your award winners this year? My are:

    MVP – Aaron Rodgers. Seeing him literally carry the team into the playoffs like he did the last 6 weeks puts a stamp on him being the best QB in the NFL. He’s simply too good to be stopped. If anyone needs further proof that a QB can will his team into the playoffs, look no further than that man. 1667 yards passing, 15 total TDs, no INTs the last 6 weeks.

    A strong argument can be made for both Matt Ryan and Tom Brady, also.

    OPOY – Matt Ryan. This will simply be a consolation prize for not being the MVP. He had one hell of a year.

    DPOY – It’s most likely going to Von Miller, but I have a hard time not giving it to Landon Collins. My friends are all Giants fans so I saw all their games so I may be bias, but my God, that dude was literally all over the field making all types of plays. Sacks, INTs, PDs, Stuffs, TsFL. Without doubt the best player on a defensive that’s top 3 in the league.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed on Landon Collins. He’s had a sensational season – 125 tackles (5 for loss), 4 sacks, 5 INT (1 TD), 13 PD, 1 FR.

  22. Tim Knight says:

    D, I heard them taking about Joseph being a hot HC candidate on the NFLN yesterday and said okay I guess the peeps who were saying that on the blog were right. I was surprised that he’d be a HC candidate this soon.

  23. BoulderPhinfan says:

    Grant was referring to all of omar’s tweets sayin Grant can’t catch and that Omar doesn’t like to keep receivers for gimmick plays.

  24. BoulderPhinfan says:

    It’ll be a long day if howard has to cover brown all day. I hope maxwell is back this game.

    • Mike E. says:

      I hope Maxwell is back too. The more better players we have the better! They have a bunch of guys to throw to, it would be great if Maxwell were healthy enough to play

  25. wyoming85 says:

  26. wyoming85 says:

    Missed this Saturday!

  27. steveccnv says:

    D, what makes you so sure we don’t have the players to transition to a 3-4? Like I said I’m not sure how guys would transition. Why are you so sure they cant?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I suspect Suh is athletic enough to play 3-4 DE
      but seems to me 4-3 is his thing

      Wake has done it before
      That is the only guy up front I feel confortable saying it will work with

      the rest are ? marks

    • Jahndoh30 says:

      I think it comes down to the LBs. It’s probably the weakest unit on our team. You need 8 guys with good size and speed. Your two outside guys need size and speed and both coverage and pass rushing abilities. Your two inside guys can be a bit more run stuffers. You need backups at each position.

      Kiko is too small to be an inside LB in a 3/4 and too slow to play outside. He’s our best LB currently. If he can’t transition I don’t know how the rest of them will transition. I guess you could move Wake outside, but at his age I think that’s a waste of time he has left. I’m just not seeing how you get to a 3/4 from this roster without at least 2 offseasons to do it.

  28. The Flying Pig says:

    why is anyone oinking about the 3-4 anyway

    Can’t we just stick with one thing….lol

  29. sb7mvp says:

    Oink about oinking the Steelers. VJ ain’t gone yet.

  30. Tim Knight says:

    I don’t know why we think 3-4 is the way to go either but Alonzo played in a 4-3/3-4 hybrid defense in BUF. A lot of teams use different formations now. Also base defenses aren’t as much of a big deal these days as they used to be.

    • steveccnv says:

      I keep hearing that, but I don’t agree with it. We always rush 4, when not in our base.

    • D says:

      Tim the base defense is about the personnel and the responsibilities of the position, the formation has nothing to do with that. You could be lined up with 3 on the line and 4 off, and still be a base 4-3, and the OLBs and ILB’s would still have the same responsibilities, and have the same look and be a 3-4 and they would have different responsibilities. Because of those responsibilities, you cant have the same type of player do it. In general Alonzo and him being so light and speedy would work against his responsibilities in a 3-4. You think he looked too small in our 4-3, he would look ridiculously so in a 3-4.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I feel like you just contradicted yourself. How is 3 on the line and 4 back still a base 4-3? How do formations have nothing to do with it? You just gave an example of how it does.

        We used 4-3, 3-3, 4-2, 4-1 and 3-1 all season in base, nickel and dime. Those are formations. That’s why I said base is not what it used to be because of how offenses use the spread so often these days. Just get good players and figure out the best way to use them. It’s more about talent than scheme anyway.

  31. D says:

    Steve, the roles they play in a 4-3 vs a 3-4 come with certain skill-sets that some of these players dont possess to transition. Thats the short version, but i dont see what is needed in a lot of these players to make that swap.

    Just and a “for example” 4-3 DE, has a primary of pass rush, but a secondary of setting the outside edge of the LOS for containment of the RB, they need to be quick enough to pass rush but still have decent enough size to engage a TE in run situations. They are normally most comparable to a 3-4 OLB because their responsibilities are fairly close to one another and the size and physical traits are most comparable to one another. Wake might be able to transition to OLB in 3-4 but i doubt his coverage skills are good enough. Thats basically where the real differnce comes in. He did snag that one int a couple games back but i think that was more just catching the QB off guard not expecting him to be in the passing lane than actual coverage skills.

    a 4-3 pass rushing/aggressive style DL is more comparable to a a 3-4 DE, Aaron Donald, Suh, Mitchell, etc, all are more that style DL and i think therefore they would make the transition. Phillips is more bulky, gap stuffer DL, and would more reflect the skillset of a NT. I think he would be a Dontari Poe type NT too, he has that speed and brutal power to drive OC’s back while eating 2 defenders.

    I guess back to the short version, i just dont see it in those players. You could be right, they _might_ cut it in a different scheme but its going to be very round peg square hole and i think less likely to have success than just getting the right guys for those spots.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think we will maintain the 4-3 and revamp the defensive roster quite a bit, especially the front 7 in the offseason. Like I’ve said before I could see us doubling up at DE and LB in both FA and the draft – meaning adding a quality DL and LB in FA and drafting the same at the top of the draft. That’s 4 new front 7 players that are projected to be core guys.

      • steveccnv says:

        If this year is any indication, only the first 2 picks will get much PT, but I’d expect LB/DE to be our first 2 picks. TE would be another option, but I see the cheats M Bennett to be our prized FA signing.

    • steveccnv says:

      My thoughts were more based on we have lots of DL that would transition to LB, making it less of a need.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Like who? I don’t see it. Wake has always been better hand in the ground and I don’t see enough athleticism for any of them to play LB. Maybe Branch but I don’t think that’s the best place for him to play.

  32. D says:

    I havent checked on the possible FA DE’s because they are usually one of the most expensive positions to fill through FA. Who is out there this year worth a look? I would really shoot for Collins in FA. Maybe this bitch slap that Belichick gave him might have come at a cost, meaning we might be able to get him at a better price.

  33. stangerx says:

    So my best-case scenario start of the season was Phins in the playoffs. And Santa put that under the tree X-Mas eve and threw in a young lion coach in my stocking to boot.

    Hard to now complain that our road to the AFC Champ game goes through Pittsburgh and Foxboro. No matter what happens, I’m a happy camper.

  34. BoulderPhinfan says:

    the only reason I brought up 3-4 is because everyone is talking about joseph leaving and I would love to grab wade phillips as his contract is up and won’t be back in denver.

    • Tim Knight says:

      If Vance Joseph becomes Denver’s HC expect Wade Phillips back. That’s his mentor. Wade has a lot of respect for Vance as well and I believe he’d stay on with no issues.

      • steveccnv says:

        You say mentor like I hear guru mentioned here. I think they only have 1 year together. Sparano was an OL guru, because he coached the OL, he sucked at it, but because he coached it he’s a guru.

  35. Tim Knight says:

    As far as who will be available at DE in FA, it’s not always a guy that screams elite player but can be a quality part of your defense. Sometimes it’s a guy scouts see as a player on the rise so it’s not always a blockbuster guy. Same for all positions actually.

  36. Mike E. says:

    I think it would require too much personnel turnover to switch to 3-4. I just want to be good at something, and right now, our front 4 are good enough in the 4-3. We could use more help at DE, but it’s a good start with what we have.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed. Now we have to add some youth on the DL because we’re getting a little long in the tooth with some guys. We need better LBs plain and simple.

    • D says:

      I think so too, i think it would take staging to do it and not really cripple us or be a reboot to the defense. Some could argue though, if we lose our DC, its possible we are already looking at that so do you bite the bullet and do it to open the doors to a really good 3-4 concept DC being brought in, or do you look for a guy who does a 4-3 so you dont have to worry about personnel?

  37. herdfan says:

    Don’t give up on this game in Pittsburgh yet. There’s a chance a FU’er will be there! 🤞🏻

  38. D says:

    Knowing we have a solid RB in Ajayi, would you even consider taking a shot at Leveon Bell or is he too much of a luxury item for us to make it worth it? As much as i like Leveon, me personally, i wouldn’t bother, but thats me.

  39. BoulderPhinfan says:

    ok the 2016 dolphins records challenge results are in. This competition has 2 winners. One is the person that had the most number of correct calls (correct w/l calls for each game) and the person that predicted the final record correctly with avgpts/per game being the tiebreaker. Dolphins avgpts/game this year was 22.7

    Drum roll please…….

    The winner of the most number of correct calls is STANGER with 12 correct calls.

    The winner of the correct final record is Manitoba with record 10-6 and avgpts/game prediction of 22.49.

    Other people with correct 10-6 record were Mike E (25.2) , Lou (23.5) ,GDP (24.5), Ken (23.7), Rock (25.4) but toba’s average points per game was closest.

  40. BoulderPhinfan says:

    That’s not what they’re saying here. most people in denver think phillips is gone. But you never know.

    • D says:

      I think he would be let go with all the rest of that coaching staff. I think they would let Joseph pick his guys and i am thinking a likely candidate for DC would be Burkes,

      • Tim Knight says:

        You always have to let the HC pick his own staff. New HC’s do retain some coaches when they take over. The same happened in Miami with Rizzi, Anarumo and Williams.

        I can’t see VJ not retaining Phillips if he wants to stay. Now if VJ is not their new HC, that’s another story.

  41. D says:

    Same question as above, but Alshon Jeffery? Id lean a little towards signing Jeffery and letting Still walk, even if Jefferey is a little bit more expensive.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      I really like stills speed and he was great this year. But it is a contract year. Gase knows Jeffery so I’ll trust his opinion on this.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Jeffrey is not going to be cheap and we have Landry to re-sign soon. Gase is also a big Stills fan. Parker is basically the same type of player as Jeffrey just not as polished but give him some time.

      • steveccnv says:

        Tim they have 2 huge WRS on the jets that makes them really hard to stop. Stills gives us big plays when we least expect it, we need big 1st downs when we expect it.

  42. D says:

    Id actually be worried we might lose Burkes too if Joseph leaves.

  43. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, it has nothing to do with guru, VJ has said many times he learned a lot from Wade Phillips when he was the DBs coach under him in Houston from 2011-13. Phillips was the DC during that time. Phillips also told him you’re going to be a DC soon enough and eventually a HC. They both have a high regard for each other, it’s about the relationship they have.

    By the way I think guru is used way too often.

    • steveccnv says:

      I was using guru as a comparison to mentor, I wasn’t calling anyone a guru. I was saying you were using mentor loosely, like people here use guru.

  44. D says:

    Cameron Brate is a TE id look at in FA. Jared Cook too.

  45. BoulderPhinfan says:

    FYI I posted the results for the record challenge above.

  46. Mike E. says:

    Congratulations Stanger, Toba! Good job!

  47. Mike E. says:


    If we’re not drafting a TE early, Brate is definitely a TE I think we should look at.

  48. Mike E. says:


    Jared Cook has played for 33 of 32 NFL teams. 🙂

    Seriously though, I’d rather look elsewhere.

  49. Rockphin says:

    I have officially hit the “Miami Dolphins fan wall” it is kind of like hitting the rookie wall in the NFL. The season is supposed to be over now for Miami Dolphins fans. We’re not supposed to be talking about a game next Sunday. I am so confused! LOL.

    I also have to apologize to you all because it’s my fault we did not win last Sunday against the Patriots. I did not wear my white number 17 authentic jersey or my orange new logo hat ( which I was able to get stretched back over my head again but it still looks like shit) I did not even watch the game because I got stuck at my house up in Rockledge and the local bar was not showing the Dolphins game. After we lost I decided not to watch the DVR recording.

  50. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, I guess there is always preference in how you build your WR corps. I do not think that’s an area of need where we go out and sign a big time FA WR like a Jeffrey when we already have a good young group. I’d rather add a playmaking TE to help move the chains along with that WR group and Ajayi.

    Stills makes a lot of big plays for us. 42-726 17.3 9 TD and 10 catches over 20 yards and a bunch of those are over 40-50+ yards. If I’m the GM I’m re-signing him. He’ll be just 25 next season with 4 years under his belt. He’s a player on the rise.

    • Mike E. says:

      ^ Agree – We have a lot tied up at WR already with Landry and Parker, and a little with Carroo. I’d re-sign Stills too, but he may get out priced here too. We’ll have to see. Jeffery will be getting close to top dollar, and it’s not a need for us.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I don’t think Stills we be overpriced. I think he wants to be fairly paid. We don’t have to worry about Landry this offseason as he does not become a UFA until 2018. Parker is 2019 but we have a 5th year option with him. I want to build around the good young players we have and stop turning over the team where it doesn’t need to be turned over.

        Now I could see Landry getting a new deal this offseason but remember contracts can be set up to exist together even if they both start simultaneously like Stills and Landry. They are two of our 3 starters at WR being that we use 3 WR most of the time. WR is a huge part of how this offense works. TE and RB can be by committee even though Ajayi emerged as a top back. And we don’t have to pay any of those guys big money right now.

        One thing at a time. Re-sign your best when you have too, move on from the overpriced and/or unproductive guys like Cameron, Williams, Misi etc. and revamp some areas that have some weakness or need upgrading. To me areas we do not need to upgrade are QB, OT, RB, WR, DT and S if we get back our two starters and want to retain them. Even CB could be fine with the young bucks gaining experience.

        We’ll be in good shape this offseason cap wise and hopefully we get those comp picks. 🙂

  51. Mike E. says:


    I thought you sold the Rockledge house? When do you have it until?

  52. Mike E. says:

    Bucs will fight to keep Brate. Winston loves him

  53. Mike E. says:

    Anyone hear if Tannehill practiced, and how he looked?

  54. Rockphin says:

    Mike E, the short version of the long story is I had a contract as is and the buyer had 15 days to inspect the inspector found that the house had polypropylene pipe which was recalled back in the nineties the country’s largest class-action suit in history I could not sell the house with a polypropylene pipe it would cost $6,500 in plumbing work alone plus the drywall repair and paint too close on the house and I didn’t have the cash so the deal fell through and I still own it and no need to spend 7 to $10,000 to replace all the plumbing pipe

    • Rockphin says:

      The total sale price was equal to what I owe plus the closing cost so I was getting out with nothing now I will have to make the repairs and hope to recoup the costs with a higher sale price later

      By the way I bought the house in 2006 and if I had known about the piping I could have had it replaced including all the repair expenses by signing up for the class action suit but I didn’t know in the suit was closed in 2009

    • Mike E. says:

      Gotcha Rock. Sucks bro – Are you OK keeping the house, or do you still want to sell it?

  55. BoulderPhinfan says:

    steveccnv says:
    I Dolphined the challenge. I was up 1 game with 2 to play, and lost both😂

    LOL. You mean you philbined the challenge 🙂

  56. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I think stills will get 10mil/yr on open market. I bet the FO drafted Carroo to replace stills next year. But nobody was expecting the type of year stills had. It’s hard to let him walk.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s fine but I think a lot of that can be guaranteed money spread out over time in different ways. $10M per year is not top WR money, that’s at about $15M per now. That said I think Stills will likely be more in the $7-8M per range. I don’t think he has the numbers or is viewed as more than that. He made $1.671M this year at the end of his rookie deal as a 5th rd pick. That would be a substantial raise for him.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think we drafted Carroo as more of a replacement for Matthews because we had no penciled in #4.

        Just remember Gase is a big fan of Stills. He was when he was in CHI and they were looking to trade for him, then when he came to MIA and he was already here. He’s said this multiple times. We can re-sign him with Cameron’s money easy. I’ll take Sims, Gray and Duarte at TE with re-signing Stills over overpaying Cameron. LOL

  57. olddolphan says:

    LOOKS LIKE THE NFL schedule maker screwed me. Dolphins at Steeler’s game occurs during the last day of our convention at the Broward County Convention Center near Port Everglades.–I can’t leave early Sunday b/c I’m president of the organization putting on the show! – – If all goes well, I’ll get to listen on my car radio to the 4th quarter (and maybe only a small part of it). Hopefully, we’ll win the game and I’ll get to hear coach GASE and the players give their takes on the game as I drive across Alligator Alley to the west coast of Florida.

    NOT quite what I had in mind for my playoffs experience. Hope I DON’T have to wait another 8 years for the next one.
    YOUNG STANGER: My B-I-M Jim says “Hi.” –I hope to drag him to at least one game next season.

  58. D says:

    I think i remembered something about a Jefferson Airplane member dying this year, but i just saw something listing celeb deaths of 2016 and two died….on the same day, both unrelated. Thats kinda spooky

  59. wyoming85 says:

  60. Mike E. says:

    I thought we drafted Carroo so we can yell CARROOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  61. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I don’t see how we’re a 10 point underdog against a team we’ve already beaten this year. The phins continue to get no respect.

    • D says:

      Its because Steelers have been red hot past few games, really on a roll offensively. I think the game is going to be a good one, and as long as we can cover AB on crossing routes (much easier said than done) and Bell on the ground (easier than AB for us i think) then we might stand a chance. Thier defense will let us back in it as long as we are at least playing as well as in the Jets or Bills games.

  62. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I didn’t know Gase was that high on Stills. You maybe right. I bet Stills will get a chance to go out in FA and see what he can get then the phins will try and match that offer.

    • D says:

      I think he probably gets a 7mil per offer, with a decent chunk guaranteed. He is still a role player kind of WR not an alpha. I dont think any team sees him that way, though there are some offenses out there that might treat him more like a feature than we do. Bottom line to me is that i think he gets an offer somewhere thats outside what we will be willing to pay.

      • D says:

        Stills is very Emanuel Sanders like, just a little less proven commodity.

      • D says:

        Actually a better and more recent FA comparison is probably Travis Benjamin, and about the contract i think he will get, maybe slightyl more. Benjamin was a 4 year 24mil contract with 13 guaranteed, i think Still will be somewhere in the 4 year 30ish, 20 guaranteed range.

  63. wyoming85 says:

  64. olddolphan says:

    D (or anybody). WHEN will the NFL announce who gets compensatory picks for the upcoming draft? We should get a 4th or a third for loosing Olivier Vernon to the Giants, right?

    • olddolphan says:

      Dolphins signed TE MarQueis Gray to a 2-year contract on Dec.29. GOOD MOVE. –This may deprioritize drafting a TE in the first half of the draft.

  65. Mike E. says:


    I was going to say I think Sanders is a better catcher than Stills.

  66. Mike E. says:


    Steelers are favored by 10 because the betting is going on the Steelers. Ben is playoff tested, and so is their HC. Dolphins are an unknown here. Like D said, they’re playing their best football right now, so they’re coming in strong. The spread seems legit to me, but that doesn’t mean we can’t win, or come close to winning.

    • olddolphan says:

      Mike E; Since I WON’T be back on the board until Sunday night, I’m going to ask you this “ASK MIKE” question now:. Somebody puts a gun to your head and says “You MUST make a $100 bet on the Steelers-Dolphins game with Pittsburgh favored by 10!” —WHO DO YOU BET ON?”

  67. Tim Knight says:

    Stills is totally worthy of a re-sign and not at the top of the market. Keep building on what’s good about the team. Don’t keep changing its character. We’re rumored to have about $40M to spend in the offseason on top of who we already have signed. What are we worried about?

    Year one under Tannenbaum, Grier and Gase – we’re 10-6 and in the playoffs with the walking wounded, let’s be honest. Ride the wave. 🙂

  68. Tim Knight says:

    One reason I never followed the Vegas line is because they don’t know how the ball is going to bounce in any particular game.

  69. The Flying Pig says:


  70. D says:

    Mikei just looked it up and watched some of his highlight videos. He looks to have been mostly a ST player at Edmonton in 2014, followed by a little more time in 2015, and this past year was a starter at LB. He had 87 tackles in 18 games, 1 sack, 3 interceptions one of which he took back for a TD.

    From what i see on his video he looks to have really sticky hands, and if he gets them on a guy, he tackles them.

  71. D says:

    olddolphan says:
    January 3, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    D (or anybody). WHEN will the NFL announce who gets compensatory picks for the upcoming draft? We should get a 4th or a third for loosing Olivier Vernon to the Giants, right?
    They do it right after the league year opens up i think, right around the time of FA.

  72. Mike E. says:


    Thanks man – Sounds good! Even if just plays ST’s, if he can tackle, we can use him.

  73. Mike E. says:

    Did the Dolphins practice today? I don’t see one mention of it

  74. 81Howie says:

    First Ever Playoff Edition
    Piggy 31-24 MIA
    Son 18-16 MIA
    Howie 27-24 MIA

  75. Rockphin says:

    Mike E. says:
    January 3, 2017 at 4:28 pm

    Gotcha Rock. Sucks bro – Are you OK keeping the house, or do you still want to sell it?

    Mike I honestly cannot think of a single thing that would make me more happy in getting rid of that fucking house. Well except for maybe burning it and standing in the front yard watching.

  76. Tim Knight says:

    I’ve been saying this since I saw him play. He’s one of those guys we all say oh yeah, he’s a player!

  77. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I would try and re-sign still, sims, branch and alonso.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed. Nobody is going to be a cap buster! Per year = total cap for that year, not total contract. LOL

      I think the Dolphins will be like the 2016 Cubs in 2017. 🙂

  78. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I think the dolphins and 10 points are a safer bet than steelers specially if Tanny plays. I thought the pats game had a big chance of being a blowout and it was. I don’t see us getting blown out by the steelers. We’ve played them close the last few times we’ve played and we actually beat them in pitt a couple of years ago when we played them there. And we match up against them pretty well. I hope maxwell can come back. He was good the last time we played them.

    • Mike E. says:

      I agree. I also really wish Maxwell would play. As long as we give Ajayi some running room, the rest of our offense will work around that. As long as neither Bell or Brown hurt us badly, I think we can win this.

  79. Mike E. says:

    My friend just messaged me, he’s a SD Chargers fan, and he likes the 10.5 points MIA is getting, so he asked me what I thought. I told him I like it too. One of his other friends is a Dolphins fan too, and that guy thinks the Dolphins are going to get killed. lol

  80. Brian in NY says:

    Tim Knight says:
    January 3, 2017 at 2:54 pm
    If Vance Joseph becomes Denver’s HC expect Wade Phillips back. That’s his mentor. Wade has a lot of respect for Vance as well and I believe he’d stay on with no issues.
    I heard some of Kubiak’s retirement speech, and NFLN reported that Elway is expected to keep Phillips on as DC. I’m sure they don’t want to mess with that D.

  81. Tim Knight says:

    It’s funny how we wanted to cut Maxwell early in the season and now we want him back. We should learn from this. Hasty decisions are not always best. LOL

  82. Mike E. says:


    We wanted to cut Tannehill and Ajayi too.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think it’s better not having a team you can root for. Let’s just root for nothing so when it fails you don’t feel anything. Oy! WTF is the point?!!! LOL

      • Mike E. says:

        I think some STILL want to cut Tannehill. 😀

      • Tim Knight says:

        Go for it! He was a big part of this turn around winning 9 of the last 11! 🙂

        I love the mentality of this team. Add some more talent where we need it and off we go!! LOL

  83. Mike E. says:

    Ken is rough – You’re as wrong on Maxwell as I was with Stills

    • Ken says:

      I don’t see anything special in Maxwell. I doubt he is back next year. The future is Howard and Lippett. Maxwell is way too inconsistent

  84. CavalierKong says:

    So some 4-6 years ago my wife bought me this sweet Dolphins liquor flask for Xmas. I declared at the time that it would be my “playoffs” flask, and I would only pour from it during Dolphins playoff games. For the last couple of years I have seriously regretted that statement, lol. I FINALLY get to break it out this weekend, and I have aspirations of using it for many years to come. 🙂 Life is good.

    Go Dolphins

  85. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    January 3, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    Drunken monkey ^🐒

    that so describes my life the last week or so.

  86. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    January 3, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    Just a week?

    yeah. even for me it was a week i never thought i would be a part of. it was something that was over the top crazy. i didnt even need a sofa and chains. it was that wild and good.

  87. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    January 3, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    No sofa and chains? Blasphemy!

    stop being jealous. i will still chain you to it. but at times it is not needed.

  88. Ken says:

    So you are not going to be such an ornery bastard anymore?

  89. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    January 3, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    So you are not going to be such an ornery bastard anymore?


  90. finfanrob says:


    and it isnt ornery bastard, you forgot the H

  91. The Flying Pig says:

    Playoff flask

  92. getterdone says:

    FOX Sports’ Alex Marvez reports the Broncos’ head-coaching job is Dolphins DC Vance Joseph’s “to lose.”
    Retired coach Gary Kubiak wanted to bring Joseph on as his defensive coordinator when he took the job in 2014, but the Bengals wouldn’t let him out of his contract when he was their DBs coach.

    • Ken says:

      That is BS. Custom and practice in the league is that contracts don’t preclude a coach a promotion such as position coach to coordinator and coordinator to HC. A team can block a lateral move but not a promotional one

  93. Mike @ 8:40 p.m.
    I wouldn’t want to cut him but if we could trade him to ARI, SF or even DEN for a 1st and 2nd I’d take that in a heartbeat. Pats want a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo.

  94. Kenny Stills has a new avi for everyone because ESPN gives the Phins a 1% chance to win the AFC:

  95. olddolphan says:

    TALK TO YOU GUYS & GALS LATE SUNDAY NIGHT. –Off to Ft. Lauderdale.


    30-28 MIA

    Picking with my heart, not my brain. GOOOO-O-O FINS!!!

  96. wyoming85 says:

  97. wyoming85 says:

  98. Mike E. says:


    A 1st and 2nd for Maxwell? Yeah, I’d take that too! Besides that, he’s staying here. You need as many good CB’s you can find, so Maxwell will be on our team next season.

  99. Mike E. says:


    Got a pic of the Playoff flask?

  100. Mike E. says:

    Alright people . . .

    Is this the LAST Ask Mike of the season????

    Before you say “I hope so”, just realize what that means!!! 🙂

    Send in your questions please . . .


  101. wyoming85 says:

  102. Ken says:

    I don’t believe that rule has changed. The owners would revolt if that was the case as it would completely change the whole dynamics of the hiring process for new coaches

  103. I honestly don’t expect much for this wild card game. Our defense is too injured at this point and playing pretty awful. Meanwhile the Steelers are playing great ball, especially on the offensive side.

    This game could get ugly fast unless the D has some miraculous turn around this week.

  104. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I would much rather have maxwell and lippett than howard and lippett. The last 2 games howard got wrecked (as my 11 year old son would say).

    I think part of the bad defense the last 2 games has to do with maxwell being out.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      ^ against the steelers

    • I said last week that Howard got burned bad against Buffalo and people didn’t agree. I distinctly remember at least 5-6 plays where he looks horrible against the Bills.

      I’d feel much better with Byron in there.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He’s up and down

        That’s not crazy when it comes to rookies

        I think he’s the future
        But I don’t think you are wrong

    • Ken says:

      Howard is much better in coverage than Maxwell. Maxwell is feast or famine. He will make a nice play and then then blow an easy assignment. I didn’t see Howard getting wrecked at all last week. I maintain most of our current coverage issues comes from exploiting our safeties in the cover 2 scheme we have been running

      • BoulderPhinfan says:

        Howard can be a good CB but right now he’s not as reliable as maxwell. Last week he got burned plenty. Both Brady and Taylor were going after him.

        Maxwell did a good job against brown the first game against steelers. He’s more physical at the line of scrimmage and really got into browns head.

      • Just look at the Bills game. There were multiple times in Cover 2 where it should’ve been howard covering the sideline, but instead he was drifting to the middle of the field and he got toasted.

        Later on in the game they exploited that and he over played the sideline for a quick curl route by Watkins for 15 yards are so.

  105. The Flying Pig says:

    JT for HOF!!!!

  106. The Flying Pig says:
    January 4, 2017 at 10:48 am
    He’s up and down

    That’s not crazy when it comes to rookies

    I think he’s the future
    But I don’t think you are wrong

    He’s definitely the future, but we are talking about a game this week. It’s our first playoff game in 8 years. I want Byron on the field because I believe at this moment he gives us a better chance than Howard. I’m talking the present, not next year or the follow years.

  107. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I guess PFF agrees about maxwell. From Jackson article. Maxwell 11th and howard 103rd

    “Among PFF’s other final Dolphins grades: Ajayi was first among running backs; Ryan Tannehill 13th among quarterbacks; Ja’Wuan James 34th and Branden Albert 65th among 81 tackles; Byron Maxwell 11th, Tony Lippett 57th, Bobby McCain 70th and Xavien Howard 103rd of 119th cornerbacks; Cam Wake 7th and Andre Branch 64th of 113 defensive ends.”

  108. D says:

    Howard was getting burned in the Jets game, before the buffalo game. Petty was just throwing rainbows so he had time to recover and slap the ball away. He has played like a rookie, thats really all that needs to be said. The thing he is getting burnt on are things eh wouldnt have been exposed to much in college so it generally affects most DB’s once they get into the league. He also displayed some nice skills as well, so i think with a full offseason and a little more experience in general he will develop into a pretty nice CB for us, specifically if we stay a press cover team.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      agreed. He has talent but is playing like a rookie right now. I still hope maxwell plays this game and I also think we keep maxwell next season. As Mike said, you can never have too many good corners.

  109. D says:

    I agree with Boulder, id take Maxwell in coverage right now over Howard, and it wouldn be a hard decision for me. Howard is way more prone to being burned than Maxwell.

  110. The Flying Pig says:

    I feel like I say this every day
    Every week

    All corners get beat
    That’s the position

    If Howard and Lippett were playing at Revis in his prime level I would be surprised

    Thats just not the facts
    They are young growing cbs
    It’s kinda dangerous to have 2 young CBs

    Maxwell is our best CB right now IMO

    But the reality that us having all 3 is great for us

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Bell is basically a Receiver
      Steelers don’t play a lot of 3 receiver sets
      We can out a CB on Bell in some situations

  111. D says:

    BTW Mike i think Lou was saying he would trade Tanny for a 1st and 2nd not Maxwell.

    • Ken says:

      That would be the dumbest thing ever unless you have a replacement that is as good or better already on the roster which we don’t no matter what Lou thinks

      • How would it be dumb. When, during the entire stretch of this season was a game won strictly because of the play of the qb. It never happened.
        Gase’s offense depends on a qb being efficient ENOUGH to get the job done. He doesn’t need an elite qb and he’s proven it in the past and he’s proven it again this year. Gase will have this O to the point where he can plug any number of qb’s into his system and continue to win.
        When you have a qb who has thrown 1 td or less in 7 of 13 starts and an offense that is worst in the league in 3 and out’s, worst in t.o.p. per offensive possession and worst in the league in # of plays per offensive possession there’s and the team has won 10 games there’s NO way anyone can argue the qb position has been getting it done this year.
        And, when you look at the fact that Moore has 8 td’s in 3 games to Tannehill’s 19 in 13 games you can see for yourself that Tannehill isn’t the reason for the success of the offense but it’s Gase who is the reason for the success, by far.

  112. D says:

    Vinnie, i think this playoff game might be better than it looks. Steelers are on fire, BUT their defense has been playing very poorly. Ajayi having agreat game, us playing more run to set up play action, could give us a chance. If we can keep their offense off the field, limit them to a small amout of TOP, we could win this. We should be able to score on them, im just concerned that AB kills us in the shallow middle of the field. Our pass-rush should give Ben fits if they try to load up deep passes, so if we get beat its because we cant stop AB. I think we should be able to limit Bell from having a monster game but im sure just due to his retarded running ability he will probably get close to, if not a little past the century mark.

  113. Ken says:

    Sorry I just don’t get the Maxwell love. He is physical but he is not great in coverage. He lacks the recovery speed needed to be an effective coverage corner

    • D says:

      He isnt as good as far as recovery as Howard is, thats true, but he also doesnt have to recover on his coverage as much. He is the better CB because he has the experience to stay with the receivers better. His physical style too doesnt allow early separation, which give our PR time to do their thing. His number of PD’s this year by itself shows he has been in the receiver pocket majority of plays. I dont really think anyone is saying Maxwell is great, but for our system and with his current level of experience, he is better at preventing big plays than Howard.

      • D says:

        In fact my only real disagreement with how he has played since finding his groove in our system, has been the PI’s. He does hurt us sometimes with those, but i do think he does some of that shit early to harass the WR enough to get in his head. He seems to have more of them early in the game than late.

  114. The Flying Pig says:

    It’s not love Ken

    When you look at the alternative to Maxwell it’s two young cbs one a college receiver and the 2nd a rookie who has been injured a good portion of the year

    Maxwell’s experience really trumps and skills that these guys have

    It’s not like Lippett and Howard have been stellar
    They are young cbs who are growing into starters

    The reality is any of the 3 is bound to get beat

    But there have been times when a player like Sammy Watkins, Larry Fitzgerald or AJ green eats the green CB alive

    What do you think happens with Antonio brown

    He’s gonna beat some one on Sunday
    But there is a difference between getting beat and getting exploited
    And a receiver like brown will exploit a young CB but probably not a skilled vet like Maxwell

    I hated the Maxwell trade and thought he was a waste
    But he has really turned that around
    He’s ginna miss a tackle or get beat in Sunday
    But he won’t be a weak spot
    He won’t be something the steelers can target the way a young CB is usually targeted

  115. The Flying Pig says:

    I agree the PIs are frustrating
    But all of dbs get those
    And I think VJ just demands physical play from corners
    I think Maxwell does a better job of gaging he officials than Lippett
    Not sure about Howard who appears not to be as physical so far

  116. sb7mvp says:

    I’ll echo the sentiments of D and Piggy. You can’t just rid of someone just to get rid of someone. We need the depth and competition, plus his experience makes up for the other areas where he is lacking.

  117. sb7mvp says:

    Also don’t forget that the refs have a habit of taking away games from us in Pittsburgh. We’ll have an uphill battle to climb for sure.

  118. wyoming85 says:

  119. wyoming85 says:

  120. wyoming85 says:

  121. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t want to trade anyone
    I want to be in the playoffs every year

    let’s build something!

  122. The Flying Pig says:

    If Tannehill is not practicing today you would think he won’t be playing

  123. BoulderPhinfan says:

    If we run the ball well we have a good chance of winning on sunday

    Armando Salguero ✔ @ArmandoSalguero
    Mike Tomlin says “we’re not going to pretend that was a lightning strike” relative to Jay Ajayi 200-yard game vs. Steelers.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I generally think we match up well against the steelers – I’m not sure why the perception is the win was some kind of fluke

      There were some fundamental things we did well

      It’s not like the steelers came to the game and were “hey wait, this team hands the ball off – never seen that before.” Lol

  124. Mike,
    How would that trade be dumb. If you got a 1st and 2nd from any of those teams you’ve got a real shot at shoring up the LB and offensive line positions and minimizing the effect the qb has on the team. Look at what Dallas has done this season.
    You can argue that Prescott had a great year but without Dallas’ o-line being the best at what they do he’s not going to do the same thing. Their o-line is elite in run blocking and pass protection and would give a lot of qb’s the same opportunity.
    I’m sorry man but ppl are placing way too much importance on Tannehill in this offense when it’s never been about him the entire year. We’ve gotten great performances from Ajayi in the run game, big plays on special teams, and big plays by the defense that have had more of an impact on our winning 10 games this season than the play from the qb position.
    Our starting qb throws 1 td or less in 7 of 13 starts and ppl are going to argue that he’s irreplaceable. How dumb is that?

  125. Still don’t understand the obsession with Tannehill playing on Sunday. Like our playoff lives depend on it. It’s quite amusing.

  126. The Flying Pig says:

  127. The Flying Pig says:

  128. Jahndoh30 says:

    “How would it be dumb. When, during the entire stretch of this season was a game won strictly because of the play of the qb. It never happened.”

    That is so stupid Lou. I’m sorry. but I felt compelled to say something.. Tannehill led game winning/tying drives multiple times during that stretch.

    I have stifled it for over a year, but your credibility on all other things football with me takes a serious dive when you prove you’re 100% unable to change your assessments based on new information. Good analysis is unbiased. You’ve yet to show your ability to be so.

    It ain’t personal, and I’ll probably stifle it for another year now, but I had to say something this time.

  129. Mike E. says:


    I thought you were trading Maxwell for a 1st and a 2nd, and I didn’t think it was dumb for us, i thought it was unrealistic. If it’s Tannehill you’re trading, it’s interesting, but I’m not sure I would do it. I would trade him for an early 1st and a 2nd this year, and another 1st next year, so we can draft a QB next year, and fix up some defensive issues this year, and next year.

  130. Ken says:

    Your dislike of Tannehill knows no boundaries. You would honestly trade away the starting QB without a suitable replacement on the team and where it could take 5 years or more to find a competent replacement and you want us to say that’s not dumb.

    • Tannehill hasn’t been as important to this offense or team and the players who surround him. We won games because of the play of the offensive line, Ajayi’s running, big plays on special teams and big plays by the defense but the play from the qb position hasn’t been a key factor in our success this year.
      If we traded him away and got the four guys I mentioned I’d do that trade in a heartbeat. You fix the o-line and get Ajayi rolling EVERY game and have a better pass rush and competency at the LB position and the impact of the qb position is greatly lessened.
      This team DOES NOT need Tannehill to win games. If you think so then you haven’t been paying attention.

      • Jahndoh30 says:

        That’s why there were hugs from every player on the offense for him when he went down to injury. Because he’s not that important to their success.

  131. Mike E. says:

    Please send in your questions . . .


  132. The Flying Pig says:

    Here is the disrespect wearing proud Colors

  133. Ken says:

    If Tannehill didn’t practice then there is no way he is playing this weekend

  134. BoulderPhinfan says:

    rambo had the mis-tackle on edelman TD. he makes that tackle and we get the ball back with score 20-14. That play and williams fumble changed the game on sunday.

    • Ken says:

      I agree that was a killer play and that was on Rambo

    • The Flying Pig says:

      the tackle attempt wasn’t good
      but missed tackles happen

      the real issue on that play was Kiko Alonzo picking the wrong spot and leaving a wide open passing lane

      lets say Rambo makes the tackle and its a modest gain
      its still a 1st down
      ]then Brady converts another
      and another and another and its a TD

      beilcheat exploits your weaknesses
      so he is attacking so passing lanes our LBs keep missing
      but the reality is the Patriots want to play that way anyway
      its what they do best

      so that is why they are up 3 scores before we blink every game
      its a perfect matchup for them and they exploit good matchups

      after the LBs I think the pay of the safeties in the game was 2nd worst
      so I’m not defending them

      but it only going to get worse at safety with another backup to a backup

      • BoulderPhinfan says:

        Actually if rambo makes that play it would be 4th down and they punt. Gase said as much. He also addressed alonso on that play. He said alonso gambled because it was similar to the INT he had against the chargers. His gamble didn’t pay off this time.

      • keep in mind Rambo was unemployed before we came calling and hadn’t been with the team the entire offseason thru camp and then preseason either.
        he’s been burned a few times in games and I don’t think there’s going to be a big drop off in play if we were to put Aikens in his spot. For one thing, Aikens is a cover guy and he’s got more speed than just about any of them back there.

  135. Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley 14s
    15 seconds ago

    Gase said he put his team in full pads today “after watching what we put out there” against the Patriots. Said something needed to change.

  136. Jahndoh30 says:

    That was a tiny bit harsh on my part. Glad you got a laugh out of it at least. Nothin’ personal bruh. But you are a stubborn SOB and I know you do a great deal of draft research, I just hate for that work to get disregarded by people because of your unwavering desire to be proven right about Tannehill.

  137. Ken says:

    Greise did not start the playoffs in 72. He came in to replace Morrall in the second half after an ineffective first half

  138. The Flying Pig says:


    Do you think I know what Griese did in practice in 1972
    I wasn’t even born and I don’t even remember what Moore did in practice last week

  139. Jahndoh30 says:

    Check the inbox Mike E!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Mike E

      by inbox he means check your email. Inbox is where you receive electronic transmissions in most cases. So don’t check your spam and think Jahn sent you those “hold an erection” emails.


      before you say something like that, think about who you are dealing with. Mike is “special” when it comes to technology. I would hate for the next time you two to see each other for it to be really awkward ….

  140. complete and total disrespect. they give the Raiders AND the Texans a better shot at winning the AFC than they give us. ESPN= bunch of douchebags.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      I think it’s because we’re playing the steelers and they play each other. I bet if we were playing the raiders or the texans we’d have a higher percentage.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        like 3% or 2%
        they are playing each other and I think ESPN is being disrespectful to them too

        ESPN is fully on board with the Brady is mad at the NFL script and going to run the table
        they can’t wait to see Brady in the SUper Bowl in the same way I can’t wait to see Brady slip on a banana peel and into a shark tank

  141. Ken says:

    You can’t honestly say we haven’t won games because of Tannehill you lose all credibility when you say stuff like that. I get it you don’t like him but you give him no credit either for stuff he does really well. You think you can just plug and play QBs but that’s not reality nor the history of this league. Dark Prescott is the exception not the rule

    • Prescott is doing what he’s doing behind the best run blocking/pass blocking o-line in the NFL.
      Me thinks ppl put WAY too much emphasis on one position when it IS a team game. Personally, I’d say an elite o-line and great defense trumps the qb position any day.
      After all, it’s a team game.

      • The Cowboys don’t have a great defense. They have a top 3 RB in the league where they control the TOP and it keeps the defense off the field. You cannot throw all your chips because one team managed to get luckier than a lottery winner.

        The Denver Broncos have an elite defense. How did that fare for them this year? They’ll be sitting on their asses watching us in the playoffs.

      • way to put things into perspective.

  142. Yes, Tannehill is just as unimportant to the team as Brady is. Just look what Cassell and Garropolo did in Brady’s absence. *eye roll*

    There’s no way I’m trading a starting QB without an immediate replacement that is equal to or better. We all know what a shit show the draft can be with QBs. Why risk another 3-5 years of developing another QB?

    The Cowboys and Dark are an anomaly, not a pattern. It’s not something that you can repeat at will. Plus, they didn’t trade Tony Romo for draft picks and just so happen to land Dak. They drafted Dak late and managed to step on a golden nugget when wading through shit. Did you not see what their QB play did last year? In case you forgot, the team was 4-12. If they were even somewhat decent last year, they would never have landed a stud like Zek to help offset the burden of having a rookie QB.

    • I disagree. The success of the Cowboys offense is tied to their offensive line and run game. Even Elliot isn’t the reason. when you’re running is 5 yds past the l.o.s. before getting touched you have an ELITE o-line and every coach that has ever coached in college or the NFL will tell you it all starts in the trenches.

      • If you think the Cowboys line is the only reason why Zek is amazing then I have nothing more to say. You aren’t very knowledgeable. Let me know what the other RBs did this year behind that line. I’ll give you a clue: It wasn’t too good.

        Zek has something like 600-700 yards after contact.

      • Oh and the Cowboys had an elite line last year (Arguably even better because of no injuries). Again 4-12.

        But please keeping trying to argue that Zek/Dak aren’t one of key reasons why they are winning now. Clearly their QB/RB from 2015 was competent enough to win 13 games….oh wait….they weren’t.

      • Ken says:

        You can’t downplay the impact Prescott he is a significant factor in their success and I am not taking anything away from what you said about that OL it is an awesome line but it was also the same line that was there last year along with one of the leading rusher in the league and they won 4 games

      • ooh, that hurts Vinnie. thanks

      • Zeke went to the right team. he’s playing behind the same type of offensive line he played behind in college; the type that opens gaping holes you can drive a truck thru.
        It’s interesting you point out Zeke’s yards after contact. Again, way to put things into perspective. Look at where the contact first took place as compared to where it first took place for Ajayi

  143. The Flying Pig says:

    Ken says:
    January 4, 2017 at 2:42 pm (Edit)
    It’s a lot to ask him to start a playoff game with one practice in 4 weeks

    its not like the playbook is new to him Ken

    • Ken says:

      Yes but he will be rusty. His timing with receivers will be off. Look at how Ben played when he came back after being out for a couple of weeks. He was rusty for several games until he got back into a routine and improved his health

  144. The Flying Pig says:

    That ESPN Chart is so scientific
    You get the sense that they really thought it through, put their biases aside and used precise mathematical analysis to come to their conclusions

    it also explains why the numbers total 101%
    good job ESPN
    I take you seriously now

    • I’m surprised they don’t have the Pats at 86% and give scraps to everyone else.

    • I can understand us being underdogs to a good extent because of the number of key players we are missing, Jones, Isa, two starting LB’s and Pouncey but if we do happen to win this game vs Pitt the lack of respect needs to stop.
      For a team to have the injuries we had this year and the mix of players we’ve had playing in games all season there should be a lot more respect for what it has achieved than it has received. That being said, we ARE behind the 8 ball going into Pittsburgh. Our biggest positive is our coaching staff and the ability they have shown all year to prepare the team for games.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I think even the most optimistic Dolfans realize we are playing with house money at this point

        but you generally don’t hear this kind of talk about playoff teams

        What if we beat Pittsburgh
        and have to play at New England, that will be fun to watch

    • They rounded up. The Dolphins are technically a .9% chance when you look at the actual numbers.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I get it
        I know what they did

        its even less than 1%

        but I assure you its a reflection of biases and not a real analysis

        the Texans and Raiders play each other and are a combined 7%
        its a little crazy to give 1 of 4 teams remaining, that has to win the same number of games as the other 3 games less than 10%

        I would love to see how they came up with these numbers

        I’m not a statistician but I think they are bordering on mathematical impossibilities on this one

        Don’t get me started, you will never hear the end of my rants on the lack of quality sport journalism around

  145. The Flying Pig says:

  146. Ken says:

    I owe Vinnie a beer

  147. Oh, I’m sorry Lou I found the real numbers. Zek managed a mere 1,000 yards after contact (2.9 y/c after being hit. Yep, the only reason why he is any good is because of his O-Line.

    We’re also forgetting he’s a solid receiver and an ELITE blocker himself.

    Take off the blinders man. You cannot base everything on what one team did one time. They are far from the norm. If Zek and Dak are so irreplaceable, why then did they go 4-12 last year? Why then did the year before they went 12-4 with DeMarco Murray and Romo? Your Cowboy argument is leaking quickly.

    Strong defense? Sure, let’s take a look at how well the Ravens, Cardinals, Rams, Vikings, Bengals and Panthers did this year with their defenses. How did their QBs play? Horrible. Where are they? Not in the playoffs.

    Houston got into the playoffs by default because that division is atrocious so I wouldn’t even look at them.

    Your hatred for Tannehill isn’t warranted at all. He’s a very good QB who is mobile. With Gase teaching him, I could see him being Aaron Rodgers like. I’m not saying super elite, but the ability to extend plays, gain yards on the ground and have very good years, especially with our WR crew. He has all the physical tools you want in a QB, why would you throw that away in hopes of finding another one in the draft in X amount of years?

    • In case you need math done, Zek has 934 yards after contact, leaving 697 yards before contact. That equates to 2.9 y/c after contact and 2.16 y/c before contact.

      Roughly 60% of his rushing yards is after contact. His yards after carry numbers are more than every RB’s total besides 12 RBs. That’s absolutely insane.

    • Here we go with the Aaron Rodgers stuff again. Dude, you take off the blinders and she what’s really there. What kind of play did we get from the qb position this year? Average.
      This guy will never sniff 40 td’s in a season. He hasn’t even gotten to 30 once yet.
      In the 5 seasons he’s played there’s no evidence to suggest he’ll ever be more than just an average qb and THIS season is even more proof of that than the previous 4. He had a much better run blocking o-line and a much better run game and look at what he’s accomplished.

    • steveccnv says:

      Vinnie, you’re wasting your time, he’ll never back off his stance, even if we go 15-1 next year and RT throws 50 tds.

      • way to be realistic about the td’s. If he threw the ball 27x a game and put up 50 td’s it would be considered the greatest feat by a qb in nfl history. you’ll never find a guy throw that little and put up those types of numbers and, going forward, those attempt numbers aren’t going to change.

  148. The Flying Pig says:

    I changed my twitter handle to
    “TheFlyingPig44 1%”

  149. David William Naylor ‏@TSNDaveNaylor 23h
    23 hours ago

    Edmonton Eskimos linebacker Deon Lacey has signed with the NFL’s Miami Dolphins

  150. professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    January 4, 2017 at 4:10 pm
    I guess they consider the definition of contact to be a fingertip.


    Ah, nice attempt to disregard stats to prove you’re dead wrong. GG, mate.

  151. finfanrob says:

    Just so I have this right. Lou thinks T hill has nothing to do with the wins (he did however blame him for the losses) and THill is not a major part of this team and the team wins without him. however, on the trade market this useless qb can garner a #1 and 2 draft pick. genius

  152. If you look at the sack stats I posted earlier the reason for those stats isn’t a healthy vs unhealthy o-line. The reason is because Moore makes his reads faster and gets the ball out faster. Tannehill still struggled with his progressions this year and, yes, the Ravens who didn’t make the playoffs said it but they DID shut him down.
    1 td and 3 int’s vs Ravens.

  153. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I really thought (hoped) Maxwell was gonna play this week. With him, tanny and rambo out, I now see why the steelers are 10 point favorites. This could get ugly.

  154. Ken says:

    Troy Aikman never surpassed 23 TD passes in a seasons yet he was one of the best QBs in the league and won 3 SBs so I don’t get what Lou’s point is about TD passes

  155. Jahndoh30 says:

    I got flagged on the play but it wasn’t a personal foul. I think it was an illegal shift.

    I’m going with “12 men in the huddle”.

  156. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I doubt he starts but he could be backup on Sunday

    Adam Beasley ✔ @AdamHBeasley
    Gase suggests that Tannehill’s long layoff isn’t a concern from a rust standpoint. Tomorrow really is the key for RT.

  157. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I think this whole Tannehill discussion is moot. He’s our QB and there is no way he’s traded anytime soon, no matter what any of thinks. This FO loves tanny. They went out and got him the right coach last year. If they wanted to trade him they would have done it already.

    I’m sure their plan is to build around him and go get a championship.

  158. Lacey was signed to a futures contract. he will not join the team until the beginning of the league year in ’17

  159. On a more serious and more relevant note, however, let’s go out there and rip the Raper and new ass. I hope Wake and Suh make a sandwich out of him like they did to Petty.

  160. Ken says:

    You may do a lot of draft research but I will never accept your opinion on any QB again. Talk about blinders. I am done discussing this with you

    • Had we signed any other HC but Adam Gase we never have this discussion. RT’s contract is void at the end of the season and the discussion is over and THAT’s a fact.

    • If the team signs any other HC they never get to 10 wins this season and can just about guarantee MIA doesn’t want to spend the money on Tannehill and decides to go in different direction.
      Tannehill never has the year you guys are talking about right now and more than likely most who are in his corner on here and elsewhere have a much different opinion of him.
      The coaching is what has made all the difference in the world. If he were to go to a team like CHI, ARI or SF he probably ends up somewhere as a backup.

    • it’s like the NFL version of “It’s A Wonderful Life”.

  161. finfanrob says:

    ‘I know it’s not going to happen but I always like to ruffle feathers, rock the boat, etc.’


    you and pretty much every one on here likes too. you are no different other then how you are trying is overly simplistic and lame. i mean come on, you pick on the qb and others respond. who would have thunk it

    • You have to agree that Tannehill was lucky we signed Gase and not one of the other HC candidates. he wouldn’t have nearly the year he had and neither do the Phins. Team probably goes 7-9 and RT is done w/the team. No way they even consider paying him that kind of money and chances are good many of his diehard supporters say it’s time to move on.
      So, what I’m saying is it’s Gase that’s made the big impact.

  162. finfanrob says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    January 4, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    I knew someone would peg me for my multiple personality disorder.

    will you make up your mind, we talking qb’s or your sexual perversions

  163. Randy says:

    I agree with you.
    But, you’re still wrong about Beathard. Lol

  164. finfanrob says:

    ‘So, what I’m saying is it’s Gase that’s made the big impact.’

    dude, just let it go. really just let it go. you are sounding like the jilted 450lbs. no teeth, a stank from hell woman who is pissed the last guy at the bar didnt give her a ride home.

  165. 81Howie says:

    Evening Update
    First Ever Playoff Edition
    Piggy 31-24 MIA
    Son 18-16 MIA
    Howie 27-24 MIA
    Old 30-28 MIA

  166. Jay Ajayi finished the season 2nd in the league in yards (901) after contact & 1st in forced missed tackles with 58.

  167. Mike E. says:


    Ryan Tannehill is lucky that Miami has Adam Gase. Tom Brady is lucky the Patriots have Bill Belichick. Aaron Rodgers is lucky the Packers have Mike McCarthy. Dak Prescott is lucky he has the best OL in football, and Zeke Elliot. What’s your point exactly? Why does Tannehill having Gase in his corner diminish what Tannehill accomplished? It shouldn’t. When any player is a given a tool to succeed, and they do, the player deserves the credit for succeeding. You can’t say he doesn’t deserve credit because we finally got something right as far as coaches are concerned. In fact, if anything, Tannehill should be excused for failing from all the shitty coaching he had in the past, because he obviously can succeed in the right system with the right coach.

  168. New York Daily News
    Verified account
    Drugs were reportedly being dished out like candy on that boat the @Giants receivers partied on in Miami

    • The Flying Pig says:

      No one is demonizing four men ages 30 (Cruz), 24 (Beckham) and 23 (Shepard and Lewis) for unwinding. It is simply required to consider the ramifications, in their position, of their actions, and how it might affect a cause greater than them — especially since this didn’t happen before a game in Week 3.”

      The writer needs to look up the word demonizing bc he among many other people are

      This is a dumb story

  169. Mike E. says:

    Lou – With your radically skewed view of him, I wouldn’t expect you to see it any other way. Man, it must kill you that he’s going to be our QB for a long time.

    • As long as we win I could care less either way. I think ppl’s perceptions of him this year vs the previous four are being skewed by the fact that we were winning games instead of losing them and put a lot more emphasis on the way he was playing than there should have been.
      If you go back and look at the games objectively you’ll see that there’s not a lot to support anyone’s claim that we NEED him to win because it’s just not true.

  170. finfanrob says:

    i do feel so sorry for Lou’s wife.

    woman comes home and cooks a dinner for the ages. the best he has ever eaten. a steak that makes men cry it is so good and he looks at her and says, well you didnt do anything well, the cow is the one who ate the good grass to make it taste good.

  171. 81Howie says:

    Not only did Tanny succeed but he excelled at a whole nother level, all while going on his 3rd or 4th system in 4 years.
    I’ll keep him!
    He’s good now!

  172. Jahndoh30 says:

    “Had we signed any other HC but Adam Gase we never have this discussion. RT’s contract is void at the end of the season and the discussion is over and THAT’s a fact.”
    That’s a 4 game suspension for your HOF QB a loss of 2 first round picks and a fine of 250k

  173. Okay! I’ll go take my B Complex! Alright! gheesh.

  174. 81Howie says:

    He can complete the long ball, He’s starting to hit on the touch pass and fade routes.
    All while taking at least 80% fewer sacks during that 2nd 2/3 of the season.
    Gase is Coach and I can bet the RT is his QB for his 1st bunch of seasons

  175. 81Howie says:

    Well maybe he hasnt brought us back from a 30 point defecit but its not for lack of quality. Its more like we score so they score, we score and then they run down the clock to where it is hopeless…Tell you what though. he has kept us in and pilled out the close ones

  176. getterdone says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    January 4, 2017 at 7:23 pm
    There was some improvement but not a great deal. I think a lot of ppl look at a few big plays and think he did much better than he actually did.

    LMAO @ the silly hypocrisy. A few big plays is what creates a few more wins, which get’s you into the post season…SMH!

  177. steveccnv says:

    I’d like to see a “discussion” between Lou and Omar regarding Tannehill. It would be the most illogical ever.

  178. getterdone says:

    Suh & Wake need to have huge games like they are being paid so much to have!!!
    Both are Pro Bowl vets and it starts with them muddying the pocket for Ben & slowing Bell down as well.
    If they do this, it will go a long way to helping the defense be the opportunistic D that it has been off & on over the last 11 weeks.

  179. A little snippet from a Browns site talking about them taking Garrett and switching to a 4-3 D:

    Some of the game’s best defensive minds have passed through the Factory of Sadness. Romeo Crennell and Eric Mangini couldn’t crack the 3-4 quagmire because they could never find the linebackers needed to make the scheme a success

    Switching to a 3-4 isn’t easy

  180. Randy says:

    The biggest reason for our 10 wins, to me, was this: 54-105. That’s the combined records of the teams we beat this year. Our offense was average to below average. Our 3rd down efficiency was terrible. We were a highly penalized team(coaching). Our defense was average to below average. We gave up big plays weekly and made very few ourselves. We were extremely inconsistent on both sides of the ball. The biggest factor in our success was that we beat one team all year with a winning record…Pittsburgh. You wonder why nobody gives us a shot in the playoffs? It’s because this team barely eked out wins against most of the worst teams in the league…and didn’t look good doing it. Just look at the comments on this blog on game days. It goes from: “This team sucks.” “What kind of play calling was that?” “Gase is getting out coached.” “Get rid of everyone and start over” to by the end of the game “Hey, we won!” “A win is a win!” “Wow, I don’t know how we did it, but we won!” Lol
    I’m just as happy as anyone that we got into the playoffs, but I am not happy about the way this team performed all season long. I like what Gase is doing so far, but he has a long way to go before I’m convinced he’s a great HC. I’m a fan so far…but he hasn’t proven much yet…and that’s OK. We’ve seen this before…a bump in production from a first year HC that melts away when the competition gets tougher and the blush is off the rose. This team had moments but were, overall, extremely inconsistent, and we played some very bad teams.
    I’m not trying to tell anyone not to be excited with a playoff appearance. We should all enjoy it while we can! I just don’t think it’s representative of this team having made some significant step forward. I didn’t see that this year. I saw an average team barely win against a bunch of bad teams. I know…a win is a win. But, I believe the level of competition has to be taken into account when evaluating what those wins represent for the future of the team.
    And now I’ll go away for awhile again because I know that 99% of the people here don’t wanna hear this and think I’m a downer! Enjoy the playoffs! For what it’s worth, I think we can win an ugly, low scoring game in Pittsburgh. I’m hoping for a sloppy, wet, muddy game. I’ll be sitting on the edge of my easy chair on Sunday cheering them on and believing we can win until proven otherwise just like every week. Go Dolphins!

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