2017 NFL Draft – Defensive Ends

Taco Charlton 6’6” 277 DE Michigan

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Taco is going to possibly be one of the DE’s who may be available at #22 in the first RD. He has prototypical size, with long arms (34 1/2”), and has production at a big school. While he didn’t blow up the combine, he ran a pedestrian 4.92 40 and put up 25 reps (with long arms!). Keep in mind that Terrell Suggs ran a 4.84, and he doesn’t “play” slow. Taco played all 4 years at DE for Michigan, and his senior year was his best with 40 tackles (20 solo), 13.5 TFL, and 10 sacks. It should be noted that Taco was basically a special teams player until his Junior year, where he saw more action at DE, but basically, Taco has one full year of starting experience.

NFL.com has Taco rated at 6.5. According to most scouts, the word inconsistent keeps popping up, but a lot of scouts feel if he is in the right program with the right coach, he has potential to be a quality player.
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Derek Barnett 6’3” 259 DE Tennessee

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Barnett was a 3 YR starter at DE for Tennessee.A consistent pass rusher from the get-go, he had 9 sacks his Freshman season, 10 in his Junior year, and then topped it off with 13 sacks his Senior year. He also added 56 tackles (40 solo), along with 19 TFL, 1 INT, 5 passes defensed, and 2 FF’s. Barnett features very good hand fighting techniques, and that’s his best attribute. Not particularly fast (4.88 40), he does have a quick first step. Not sure if he makes it all the way to #22, but I’d think he’d be given serious consideration if he did. NFL.com has Barnett rated at 6.21
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Tim Williams 6’3” 244 LB/DE Alabama

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Tim Williams played all 4 years at LB for Alabama, but was a strong pass rusher. A little undersized for a 4-3 DE, Williams may be a hybrid OLB/DE, or may find a home as a 3-4 OLB. Williams. Word is he struggled with different assignments in Alabama’s defense, but was most comfortable when just rushing the passer. Williams finished his Senior season with 31 tackles (22 solo), 16 TFL, 9 sacks, 2 passes defensed, and 2 FF’s. At the combine, Williams ran a 4.68 40, and chose not to participate in the bench press. Williams is a good player with talent, but where exactly he best fits will be up to the team that drafts him. I admit, if he were our pick at #22, I’d be disappointed, because I think he’d have to be more of a pass rush specialist, and not a starting DE, and IMO, that’s not a great value in the 1st RD. NFL.com has Williams rated at 6.04
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Charles Harris 6’3” 253 DE Missouri

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Harris is coming to play in the NFL after his Junior year at Missouri. Harris improved each year, and finished his Junior season with 61 tackles (35 solo), 12 TFL, 9 sacks,  2 passes defensed and 2 FF’s. Harris didn’t start playing football until his Junior year of HS, which is pretty late. Harris ran a 4.82 and put up 21 reps on the bench. He’s considered a good pass rusher, but not very strong against the run, and also has difficulty shedding blocks. NFL.com has Harris rated at 6.0
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Takkarist McKinley 6’2” 250 DE UCLA

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Takk is a very good athlete, and despite being a little short for a DE, he has long arms, and the speed and power to compete. Takk had his best year in college his final year at UCLA, where he put up 61 tackles, 18 TFL, 10 sacks, 6 passes defensed, and 3 FF’s. Great motor, and never stops. Takk recently had shoulder surgery, right before the combine, but he was able to particpate in all the drills, so I would imagine he’s going to be OK for the season. He’s another 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE prospect. Takk ran a 4.59 40 and put up 24 reps in the BP. He’s relatively raw as a pass rushing prospect, as evidenced by the jump from 3 sacks jis Junior year to 10 sacks in his Senior year. He will need to be taught, but the talent is there. NFL.com has Takk rated at 6.21
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Carl Lawson 6’2” 261 DE Auburn

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Lawson is a well built DE prospect. Very strong, putting up 35 reps on the BP. Pretty quick and athletic for his size too, running a 4.67 40 and and even more impressive 4.19 20 YD shuttle. Very good burst, and strong hands, 2 traits you look for in a DE. Lawson finished his Senior year with 30 tackles (16 solo), 14 TFL, 9.5 sacks and 1 FF. NFL.com has him rated at 5.75.
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Jordan Willis 6’4” 255 DE Kansas State

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Willis’ Head Coach Bill Snyder called Willis “The Epitome of Kansas State football”. Nuff said right there, that’s a pretty high compliment, especially from a Hall of Fame HC. Willis was Big 12 Player of the Year in 2016. Willis finished with 52 tackles (34 solo), 17,5 TFL, 11.5 sacks, 3 passes defensed, 3 FF’s and 1 FR. Pretty impressive. Willis has excellent speed, ran a 4.53 40, along with a DL best 39” vertical, which shows explosiveness, a 6.85 cone, and a 4.28 20 YD shuttle. Obviously, this kid is a great athlete. He also has a non stop motor, and always play to the whistle. Incidentally, the Dolphins have met with Willis a few times, according to our FU beat reporter D. NFL.com has Willis rated 5.72
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Tanoh Kpassagnon 6’7” 289 DE Villanova

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Excellent prototype size, with extraordinarily long arms (35 5/8”). Big enough to play either outside or inside. He does need to work on his lower body strength though. Very intelligent prospect, son of chemical scientist and economist. He currently has an internship with Price Waterhouse Coopers. Tanoh in his Senior season totaled 45 tackles (27 solo)along with 21.5 TFL, 11 sacks, 1 FF and 2 FR’s. He’s still a raw prospect, and needs to develop a repertoire of pass rushing moves. Definitely a player with upside, it seems scouts want to make sure he really loves football, as he appears to be on track in his business career. NFL.com compares him to Margus Hunt, and we know how that worked out. NFL.com has Tanoh rated at 5.59.
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Next article will be a look at the LB’s, and then following that will be the safeties.

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549 Responses to 2017 NFL Draft – Defensive Ends

  1. sb7mvp says:

    I am groot

  2. The Flying Pig says:

    Second

  3. Mike E. says:

    I see that we had a visit with T.J. McDonald yesterday. Unfortunately, he’s suspended for 8 games this season for DUI of drugs. I want to bring in a bigger safety to pair with Jones. I wonder if Obi is on our radar.

  4. dbolt48 says:

    Nice job Mike.

    Just wanted to add that Barnett was reportedly pretty sick at the combine and is probably a little more athletic than he tested.

    Charles Harris who had a less than stellar combine bounced back w/ an excellent pro day where he increased his vertical by by 5″….37.5″ was his number in that which shows his explosive first step off the ball.

  5. The Flying Pig says:

    The Pork ranking of the guys Mike mentioned
    1. Barnett
    2. McKinley
    3. Williams
    4. Lawson
    5. Harris
    6. Taco
    7. Willis
    8. Tanoh

  6. The Flying Pig says:

    I guess I am just not a huge Taco fan. I just don’t see the explosiveness I want from a edge guy
    I think he will be a solid pro but I think he is a bit underwhelming as a pass rusher

  7. The Flying Pig says:

    Me thinks Mike’s assessment as Williams and McKinley as 3-4 OLB (to paraphrase) is correct
    both smaller than what you want at 4-3 DE
    but I still think they would be good picks for us
    I don’t get carried away with these “good fit” distinctions when players have a lot of talent
    Wake is only 262 pounds
    These guys are young and will put on weight (just like the rest of us)

    But I think if you draft a McKinley or a Williams you really have to invest in him bc he might not be ready to make an impact as a 4-3 DE in 2017. When you consider we have healthy Wake, re-signed Branch and traded for Hayes – that might work for us

  8. The Flying Pig says:

    Well that is my pork .02
    see you guys

    • Mike E. says:

      I like Willis. He’s already about the right size, and he’s fast and athletic, and will likely improve. We can also probably get him in the 2nd RD, and use the 1st RD pick somewhere else.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Yeah
        I think the 2nd round is a good place for a pass rusher
        and I agree with Willis being a good pick there
        Maybe Lawson is there too

        It really depends what is on the board for us

  9. Tim Knight says:

    Good write up, Mike. And the DE/Edge rush guys continues. 🙂

    • Mike E. says:

      LOL – I think it’s very different when a guy is rushing all the way from the outside standing up, as compared to his hand in the ground right by the OT. I think those smaller guys might just get swallowed up in closer quarters, although if we’re playing wide 9, I suppose that may give them a little more distance to get rolling.

      • steveccnv says:

        Wake gets low in his stance and stays low going around the tackle, until of course he’s horse collared.

      • Mike E. says:

        Wake is pretty special. Not many can do what he does. He’s so explosive, and he has amazing core strength, along with leg strength and upper body strength. That’s how he’s still doing this at 35

  10. steveccnv says:

    I see Taco as being least likely to be a bust, from this group. But may not have the most upside, so if you want to play it safe he’s your guy.

  11. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      So are FA signings are our own, plus Larsen and Thomas that Gase previously coached. Telling.

      • Mike E. says:

        Every team has a HC that brings in “his” guys. Ultimately, Gase is responsible for them playing well. I hope he’s right, but I’d still like to draft an OG early, whether he thinks Larsen walks on water or not.

      • steveccnv says:

        I expect at least one more quality OG to be in camp.

  12. Tim Knight says:

    Gase didn’t coach Larsen in CHI, he played last year for the Bears and the prior two in ARZ. But Gase has a connection with Fox who still ran some of the same stuff that Gase runs and he said as much recently about being able to see Larsen on those outside zone runs etc.

  13. pheloniusphish says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 30, 2017 at 11:45 am
    Wake is pretty special. Not many can do what he does. He’s so explosive, and he has amazing core strength, along with leg strength and upper body strength. That’s how he’s still doing this at 35.
    €£¥₩
    Mike – I think you forgot jaw strength in listing which parts of Wake’s body are strong…

  14. pheloniusphish says:

    Woo hoo….I get to pick my seats on Saturday!

  15. pheloniusphish says:

    I grew up in Florida (5th generation), live in Virginia now. The company I started a few years ago just won a 5-year contract in Key West and since my brother is in Palm Beach, I decided it was time to have season seats again.

    Piggy – I’m not sure. I put a deposit on field level, but I can choose from field, 300 level, or club. I’ll decide when I get there and see what is available. They bring you in for a dog and pony and then ley you choose your seats after they try to up-sell you.

  16. getterdone says:

    Mike E, nice write up. We do need some front 7 talent early on. One guy not on your list is Malik McDowell the Sparty, who could be a target for the Phins. He can play end & slide inside as a tackle as well. He’s very agile with a good get off burst for a big boy!

  17. getterdone says:

    Malik is what we were hoping we would get out of Dion FF!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Different type of player though. This dude in 6-6 295 with 4.85 speed who can play inside and outside. I like him a lot and would not be surprised if he’s our pick.

      • Tim Knight says:

        The team does not want to be run on like that again. See Timmons and Hayes. Now add some young guys who can help with that.

        There are so many variables that could play into improved run defense. Jones back in the lineup, Howard healthy – he’s a good tackler on the corner, Kiko more comfortable in the same system and the additions of new personnel. I’m sure it will be a focus in all the camps.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        I hope he plays better than whomever did his “HighLigh” video edits.

      • Mike E. says:

        Doesn’t he have a bad rep of not caring?

  18. Mike E. says:

    Phelon

    That’s awesome. That sounds like a great situation, both with your company, and being able to go to games again. You might want to make that a 20 year contract!

  19. Tim Knight says:

    McDowell is 20 years old and doesn’t know what it’s like to be a pro yet. Put him in our DL room and watch that change real fast. Basically all scouts think he has all-pro talent.

    Some of the book on him is he plays too wild and lets the play beat him. But again, he’s 20.

  20. pheloniusphish says:

    Tim – No My company is based out of Virginia. As much as I would like to move to the Keys, it won’t happen.

  21. Tim Knight says:

    Phish, hopefully it won’t be during the London game week so you don’t lose a game.

  22. pheloniusphish says:

    Alright, time to start the grill. Later.

  23. The Flying Pig says:

    Do you guys know Timmons had 12 career interceptions (in a 10 year career)?
    They are really spread out over his career to – no more than 3 in one year
    those are pretty good numbers

    Everyone thinks of him as a great run defender
    but he is pretty versatile

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If you are wondering
      the LB with the most interceptions over his career in NFL history is Don Shinnish (Colts) with 37. His last season was 1969

      In the modern era
      guys like Ray Lewis (31) and Derrick Brooks (25) are the only guys that jump out with really big INT #s

      12 is a pretty good number
      I don’t know how much longer he plays but he might conceivably finish with 15+ interceptions

    • Mike E. says:

      My best friend Scott is a Steelers fan, he’s very sorry to see Timmons go.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Timmons has always just been an active LB in his career. Not great, but a very good player. He’s in Miami for this next season and to set a standard for young LBs. He brings a lot of knowledge, comes from a great franchise, has won and played in many big games. That can trickle down.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      also he caused 13 forced fumbles in his career

      that’s 23 turnovers over his career

      If he forces 2-3 turnovers this year he will be a big asset (in addition to his presence vs the run)

  24. The Flying Pig says:

    How bout them pork chops!

  25. Mike E. says:

    Zach Thomas had 17 INT’s, Urlacher had 22

  26. Mike E. says:

    Luke Kuechly already has 12 INT’s. If he plays 10 years, he may well get 30 +

  27. The Flying Pig says:

    Officially the most fucked up ranking I have seen on Fanspeak

    Tim Williams in the 5th round….lol

    22: R1P22
    S JABRILL PEPPERS
    MICHIGAN
    54: R2P22
    EDGE CARL LAWSON
    AUBURN
    97: R3P33
    LB DUKE RILEY
    LOUISIANA STATE
    166: R5P22
    EDGE TIM WILLIAMS
    ALABAMA
    178: R5P34
    LB ANTHONY WALKER
    NORTHWESTERN
    184: R5P40
    G DAMIEN MAMA
    SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
    223: R7P5
    C KYLE FULLER
    BAYLOR

  28. Tim Knight says:

    I don’t rank LBs based on INTs. Toughness and tackling is the biggest thing for me. Range is always good. And like Gase said, all our LBs will play Will and Mike at some point, we play a lot of box LB in the traditional 4-3.

    • Mike E. says:

      They definitely look like boxes. All our players do. lol

    • steveccnv says:

      You may not rank LBs by Ints, but we want play makers, if Kiko doesn’t make the int against SD last year, we probably don’t go to the playoffs, so don’t count me in on LBs not being ranked by ints. I agree it’s not the first thing you look for, but without making plays his ranking will drop.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Well yeah, but 2-3 INT per season which is really good, out of maybe 800 to a 1,000 snaps per is pretty small. Tackles!!!

      • steveccnv says:

        It only takes a few plays a year to turn a season around. Look at NEs last 4 SBs, they were all won on a big play, 2 by the Giants and 2 by the Cheats. We had a lot of big plays last year to close out games during the hot streak. In years past not so much, so you keep thinking Ints or a couple of plays don’t matter.

      • steveccnv says:

        Think Channing Crowder Tim, he had lots of tackles, but couldn’t make a big play to save his ass. The great ones are great, because they make the big play. One of the reasons I like Jabril, among 100s of other reasons.

  29. steveccnv says:

    Yeah, McDowell is pretty good, wouldn’t mind taking him in the first.

  30. Tim Knight says:

    Nobody we draft on the DL is starting this year. Just remember that. We have too much of a vet group. They will play a role and develop. It’s about talent but they’re not always ready right away.

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s the general thought, and no one really expects a rookie to start, but you draft Malik McDowell and if you don’t think there’s a chance he starts over Phillips at some time during the season, then your crystal ball is better than everyone else’s or flawed.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Let’s see what Phillips is this year. He could be a monster. He’s a rare specimen.

        I’m just looking at options and why. Not locking in on anything.

      • steveccnv says:

        Lol Tim!
        Not locking in on anything.
        Nobody we draft on the DL is starting this year.

  31. steveccnv says:

    PFF’s big board is as bad as everything else they do.

  32. Mike E. says:

    I think taking a guy like Malik MacDowell is taking another Jordan Phillips. A guy with talent who may not really care enough to be great

  33. Mike E. says:

    I have to agree with Steve on the INT’s. That’s what playmaker is, it’s not just tackles, but making big plays, and when a LB gets an INT, those can be big plays. That’s kind of what we have been missing here for quite some time. It’s what makes Reshad special. He does both, tackle and make big plays

    • Tim Knight says:

      It was about LBs, not DBs like Jones.

      Zach was great don’t get me wrong, he can play on my team any day. But 17 INTs over 13 seasons means what? It’s always great to have LBs who can get picks, but it’s not that easy anymore with the quick passes in space.

      I want toughness and tackling more than anything at LB. Kiko has 7 picks in 3 seasons by the way. 🙂

  34. Ken says:

    Nice job Mike E

  35. steveccnv says:

    Draft McDowell and think about all the packages he could be a part of. Playing inside on 3rd down, outside on early downs or on short yardage/goal line situations. He’s a Belicheat type of player. I could see Peppers all over the place too, mixing and moving around opposite of Jones. Both these guys are more exciting to have than Lamp, even though I won’t complain about Lamp.

  36. getterdone says:

    Tim, catching back up on here….yesss, good commentary on MM….that’s what I’m saying.
    He’s 20, just growing into a man. A Gase run locker room with a guy like Wake & Suh could be a perfect environment for a frisky lad like Malik McDowell….also in regards to Jordan Phillips who is much heavier and slower….M&M can play end on the early downs & move inside spelling JP on most 3rd n long type passing downs….mix it up though, and this gives big JP a much needed breather at times.

    The versatility and ceiling for this freak will be hard to pass @ #22….he could go earlier as well….he’s not under the radar anymore. Maybe Tunsil should loan him his mask….lol 😉

  37. getterdone says:

    GMTA = great minds think alike Steve….I agree on Malik. …but yeah, Go Trump too….lol (thumbs up)

  38. getterdone says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    March 30, 2017 at 6:26 pm
    I hope he plays better than whomever did his “HighLigh” video edits.
    Reply

    PP, good point….try this one on for size….much more detailed. Enjoy! 🙂

    • getterdone says:

      Episode #22….we pick 22nd….coincidence? I think not. 🙂

      • steveccnv says:

        That’s about where he’s ranked so…

      • getterdone says:

        Ya gotta luv this kids rang and non stop motor….being just 20, good NFL coaching could teach this guy to learn to play within himself, diagnosis better and then look out…..PLAYMAKER HAYMAKER on SportsCenter every week!

  39. getterdone says:

    BTW Guys, Brett Kollmann is refreshing, he brings some real good content and scouting opinions with other prospects too.
    Here’s his take on Peppers since many here are talking about him a lot.

  40. No draft is perfect, but this one is pretty damn close:
    ProfessorLOU‏ @ProfessorLou1 35s
    35 seconds ago
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    RD 1. Forrest Lamp, RD 2 Pat Elflien, RD 3 Carroll Phillips RD 4 Duwane Smoot RD 5 Adam Pankey RD 6 Dante Barnett RD 7 Randall Goforth

    • I understand we don’t have a 4th or 6th rd pick at this time. Easy enough to fix

    • I won’t waiver from this list. It’s just too good. Lamp & Elflien help us fix our o-line problems and Elflien can take over for Pouncey down the road. Phillips at OLB and added pass rush on 3rd downs. Smoot is the quick twitch defensive end who can also be effective against the run. Pankey who can play both T and G and is a beast on the field and then round it out with two of the best safety prospects in the draft who people are missing the boat on and it’s all good for me.

  41. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    I know it was about LB, I said it was. I was just using Reshad as an example of a guy who can tackle and make plays. Unfortunately, we don’t have anyone else like that at LB to point out!. For all intents and purposes, Reshad is like a 3rd (nickel or dime) or 4th (4-3) LB as it is, especially in previous years.

  42. Mike E. says:

    Lou

    Something can be said for consistency. Nothing wrong with sticking to your guns. If we take more than 1 of your guys though, consider yours a job well done.

  43. wyoming85 says:

  44. The Flying Pig says:

    Those Brett Kollman scouting reports are awesome

    Thanks GDP

  45. The Flying Pig says:

    Do you think we would play McDowell at 4-3 DE primarily

    Would be interesting – move him inside on passing downs

    Maybe take at OLB in the 2nd that can play DE on 3rd down

    • steveccnv says:

      I would. In fact I’d have him playing DE on a lot of 1st downs, them move him inside on 3rd down and distance. I’d also list him as a DE, so teams don’t go pass heavy when he’s playing DE.

    • steveccnv says:

      With enough good DL you can keep everyone fresh, without losing quality of play. I think that’s what he’d bring to our team.

    • steveccnv says:

      Of course everything changes, if Phillips doesn’t get it done.

  46. Mike E. says:

    Steve

    You keep harping on Phillips as not getting it done, but you want to draft a guy with the same bad rep. Can’t say I comprehend that

    • steveccnv says:

      I don’t agree with McDowell’S assessment, I don’t see lazy when I watch him play. He gets tired sometimes and checks himself out of play, but not the same thing. I could care less what they say about him. I don’t expect Phillips to be anything, but a beast this year, sure he’ll need to take a break, but…

  47. Tim Knight says:

    We are signing S T.J. McDonald. Read Armando’s tweets for intel.
    https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/with_replies

    • Mike E. says:

      I can dig that! He was one of the guys I wanted us to sign. He’ll miss the first 8 games, but he’ll give us a fresh body for the 2nd half, a BIG body too, which I prefer

    • The Flying Pig says:

      he better be cheap

      • Tim Knight says:

        Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 22m22 minutes ago
        The Dolphins are signing safety T.J. McDonald to a one-year minimum salary contract. McDonald must serve 8 game suspension.

        Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 11m11 minutes ago
        T.J. McDonald signed a one year contract but Dolphins view it as a “one-day contract.” He screws up one day, he’s gone.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Min salary

        Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

  48. The Flying Pig says:

    22: R1P22
    DL MALIK MCDOWELL
    MICHIGAN STATE
    54: R2P22
    EDGE TAKKARIST MCKINLEY
    UCLA
    97: R3P33
    C ETHAN POCIC
    LSU
    166: R5P22
    LB ELIJAH LEE
    KANSAS STATE
    178: R5P34
    CB JEREMY CUTRER
    MIDDLE TENNESSEE
    184: R5P40
    S JOSH HARVEY-CLEMONS
    LOUISVILLE
    223: R7P5
    G AVIANTE COLLINS
    TCU

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    Okay

    I took McDowell to see if I can work something beneficial

    It just so happened that Tak dropped to me in the 2nd

    So in this scenario you play Tak at OLB on early downs
    But you move McDowell inside on 3rd down and play Tak at DE

    ….course the vets might have something to say about that….lol

    Elijah Lee is a solid in coverage for a LB

    oh….I managed a few OL in Pocic and Collins, so settled down beef lovers

  49. Mike E. says:

    Geez guys, relax with Malik McDowell. lol

  50. stangerx says:

    Mike E — thanks for the great write and helping me learn the names and where they might fit in.

    Takk is the one who caught my eye the most, but that is only cause of where I figure we will go. DE is a future need with the thought of what happens after Wake is doing car dealership commercials. So figure it would have to be an edge threat given who else we have now…..So an athletic guy who are they wondering 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE seems the best bet.

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see us pass on DE the first two days and double down on raw freaks in the 5th though. Those guys could do STs while they are trained.

  51. steveccnv says:

    Is McDonald any good? If we make the playoffs the suspension won’t mean anything, except maybe a lower seeding.

  52. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, no doubt he’s on a prove it deal 2nd half of the season and we’ll see where he goes from there.

  53. steveccnv says:

    Are we ok at safety now? I’m only talking about 2017. Seems we have enough to get thru 8 games.

    • Mike E. says:

      For this season, we should be OK, with Jones, Allen, Aikens and Lucas and then McDonald after game 8. I’d still like a big safety like McDonald, but if we want to audition him before we draft his replacement, that’s a good plan.

    • stangerx says:

      We are at least well enough off that we don’t have to take one in the first three rounds. A big plus in signing your studs and mid-level FAs is that the draft is wide open. What do we have to get for next season other than a G? And we could fill in with those after.

    • D says:

      I wouldn’t say OK at safety, they have 0 clue if McDonald works out, and have made it so he is curbable if he breathes wrong. I think its just a move that puts us in a better place to feel more confidant that we don’t have to push or reach for any player in any round, i really dont think it alters any draft plans.

      • stangerx says:

        Think they will be drafting for the 2018-2021 team. We might look down on “stop-gaps” but that also means you need less of them down the road.

  54. Tim Knight says:

    When you have a Reshad Jones and a few other solid safeties I think you’re okay. There will definitely be competition and options – Allen, Thomas, Aikens, Hendy, McDonald and maybe Lucas. Not sure if he’s a safety or corner for us.

  55. Mike E. says:

    D

    That’s an interesting take. I actually want to draft a safety, but I could see how this signing might keep us from taking one early.

  56. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    Yeah, I forgot Thomas

  57. The Flying Pig says:

    I completely missed that we signed Nate Allen

    He’s a solid safety
    between Allen and McDonald I would call safety less of a concern

    So maybe we focus on DL, OL and LB in the draft

    • stangerx says:

      We have one stud in the secondary but lots of depth too. They might add another stud, but it won’t be because of need.

  58. Mike E. says:

    D – I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense, I think it does (hope it does). We just have numbers at S right now, that’s why I was thinking that.

  59. Tim Knight says:

    D, not saying the signing of McDonald changes anything, but we do have enough options opposite Reshad, at least for this year. If Gase wants more corners and we didn’t add any, I think it’s an easy call. Unless like you said it’s a BPA scenario. But that goes for other positions as well.

    Did you guys know Isa was forced to retire due to his injury?

  60. The Flying Pig says:

    You might be able to take a Desmond King type player in the 2nd who can play S or CB

  61. The Flying Pig says:

    King, Peppers or McDowell…versatile payers like that might be good fits

    (Piggy sits back in his recliner to watch the smoke out of Mike E’s ears after mentioning McDowell)

  62. The Flying Pig says:

    We should draft Malcolm McDowell

  63. D says:

    Tell me if you are lining up your draft board how adding a guy who you signed at vet minimum, without guarantees and who wont start at all for you in first 8 games, and dependent on him keeping himself out of trouble in South Beach for that time depends on if he helps you the last 8, how you go, well obviously i can move these two guys down some…. That just doesn’t add up to me.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      the fact that you signed Allen and MacDonald give you some room to prioritze safety a little less

      it doesn’t make the prospects any worse though

      • D says:

        Im not as high on the TJ signing i guess, i just do not see him as a factor in any sort of decision moving forward. Allen is what we thought Isa would be, which is a guy good for a year or two, until we got a better player to put opposite Jones. Jones getting hurt made us know we need a depth player capable of starting and despite us liking Thomas and Aikens, we see them as ST contributors because we had nothing in way of a true starting replacement for Jones once he was down. Allen is a short term guy, McDonald may be a never is person for us, but if he pans out, then we have another guy to battle for a starting spot next to Jones, but they would extremely stupid to be putting any eggs in that basket. I dont care what round it is, if we would have drafted a safety there, that is still going to happen, McDonald changes nothing.

    • steveccnv says:

      Do you think a guy you draft at safety, outside of the first round is starting the first 8 games or at all the first year? If you look at the McDonald signing as a 3rd round pick, it would change your draft board. I’d think he’d be less of a risk, than a 3rd, because you know he can play.

  64. D says:

    I didnt know he was forced to retire, no. I also do know what you are saying about CB’s, i have been saying the whole time that CB is in play at 22 even when i was laughed at for it lol. Im not saying CB isnt up there, im saying it was always up there, and signing McDonald, which everyone is talking abotu making a difference in our draft strategy, didnt push any of the CB prospects above the S prospects, everyone is right where they were. That signing was not a significant one.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I said McDonald changes nothing. Nate Allen did a little bit though and the team likes Thomas more than the fans do. We’re just not thin at safety anymore.

      Not disagreeing with you at corner early either. It wouldn’t surprise me at all. In fact I think we probably will take one in the 2nd before the run dries out. Happens all the time. Our 3rd is #97, might want to go corner by #54.

  65. The Flying Pig says:

    No More Tom Brady highlights!!!!

  66. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ the clockwork images.

  67. sb7mvp says:

    long term, safety is still a need so it makes since to leave the position as an option for BPA. that’s what teams in our position should be doing. filling in holes with reasonably priced free agents and allowing the draft board to remain flexible. it’s what killed us in the past, with one decent inaugural season from the HC then going for broke in year two thinking we were closer than we were.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      we have 3 5th rounders

      and that may be a good place to take developmental DBs

      a month ago after the Abdul injury I thought safety was a glaring hole
      so it changes my POV

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think safety will be the BPA at #22 or at #54. Just a hunch. 🙂

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Budda Baker is a guy who might go between 22 -54

      • Tim Knight says:

        Oh sure, I’m saying who will be the team’s BPAs. I see us valuing DL and CB over every other position. I think we’ll match the grade to the priority want and those two positions should be there in the first two rounds.

  68. Mike E. says:

    Obi Meli Fonwu!

  69. Rhino says:

    McDonald is worth the low $ risk for a potentially longer term benefit. heck, he may even buy in to the loyalty angle the Fins are selling. 🙂

  70. steveccnv says:

    I think the TJ signing solidifies safety as not a need. Allen by himself didn’t, but together the 2 remove the need. If we do take a safety, it will be BPA. Peppers falling to us would be BPA. Malik getting closer to being the pick at 22.

    • Mike E. says:

      I don’t think it keeps us from getting a safety for the future. Allen is a stopgap, and T.J. is gamble, and in any case, he’s only signed for 1 YR. Even if T.J. plays great, he can go anywhere he wants after this season.

      • stangerx says:

        Nothing to stop us at all, but big move at S was locking Reshad down. Yeah and Allen and TJ add depth….but would be a different world if they were thinking about the future at two spots instead of one.

      • steveccnv says:

        So you draft a safety, that you don’t have immediate plans for, what do you do with him? We keep say 5 safeties, I believe during the suspension TJ doesn’t count against the 53, what do you do with him after the 8th week? Both Thomas and Aikens are balling on STs.

      • Tim Knight says:

        But we have our top safety in Reshad for the next 5 years. We can’t upgrade the DL, LB, CB and OG with youth and get that great safety too. We can only do so much with the draft picks we have. I do not think safety will be at the top of the list. Some also want a good TE too because Fasano is getting up there and in case Thomas falls apart. LOL

        If you had the choice with all being even at positions, where would you go top 3 rounds no particular order?

  71. steveccnv says:

    And we still have Lucas, not sure he’ll ever amount to anything, but if they like him all the more reason not to draft a safety.

    • stangerx says:

      They will still take one for the future if they see it though. And even if he might not be the coverage guy, still would love to see Peppers at #22. He could play LB in the nickle (even just back-up Timmons and Kiko in it). Would least take away from the need for a third all down LB.

  72. Mike E. says:

    Steve

    I let the best safety opposite Reshad play. Why would you do any differently? We don’t have to play Allen, he could be depth behind the rookie if he beats him out. When T.J. is back after week 8, if we have to, we could cut Allen

    • steveccnv says:

      Of course you let the best guy play, but you cant assume it will be the rookie. What do you do with the rookie, assuming he’s not going to have an impact in 2017? Why would we waste a draft pick just to cut Allen? Coming from a guy that hates losing draft picks.

  73. steveccnv says:

    Tim, with the top 3 picks I’m going DT, DE, and OG. I’m hoping either Pocic or Elflein are there in the 3rd, that would make a great draft after taking Malik at 22.

  74. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    It doesn’t have to be the 1st RD, it might be the 3rd or even later.

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s even worse, we’ve got enough development type safeties.

      • Mike E. says:

        Did you read the story about Reshad Jones? We knew he had 1st or 2nd RD talent, but we also knew he wouldn’t go that early. That could happen again

      • steveccnv says:

        Now you’re talking about needle in a haystack kind of picks, of course if they think they’ve found one of those types of guys they’re picking him, but you can’t use a < 1% chance of something happening as a reason for picking at a position.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s possible I just doubt we make safety a priority that early. Maybe in the 5th we take one. We can look at “the other safety” again next year too. We don’t have to nor can we add top guys at all the areas we’d like to.

      It’s just my feeling but I think the team wants to continue to address the front 7 and CB early. I could see us doubling up on the OL in the 5th – a G and a G/T, then add some UDFAs to compete with the others we have.

  75. steveccnv says:

    Outside of Peppers we aren’t drafting a safety.

  76. steveccnv says:

    At some point you have to say ok we’re good enough at a position, and fill another more pressing need.

  77. Tim Knight says:

    Mike, yes that was Grier who said that to him and he’s our GM. Think 5th rd again. LOL

  78. The Flying Pig says:

    What about LINEBACKERS!

  79. D says:

    D says:
    March 31, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    Im not as high on the TJ signing i guess, i just do not see him as a factor in any sort of decision moving forward. Allen is what we thought Isa would be, which is a guy good for a year or two, until we got a better player to put opposite Jones. Jones getting hurt made us know we need a depth player capable of starting and despite us liking Thomas and Aikens, we see them as ST contributors because we had nothing in way of a true starting replacement for Jones once he was down. Allen is a short term guy, McDonald may be a never is person for us, but if he pans out, then we have another guy to battle for a starting spot next to Jones, but they would extremely stupid to be putting any eggs in that basket. I dont care what round it is, if we would have drafted a safety there, that is still going to happen, McDonald changes nothing.

    • steveccnv says:

      You assume that, but what they’ve done is bought themselves a year at vet min, so they don’t have to address it this year.

  80. Tim Knight says:

    I also wanted to clear up some BPA vs. need confusion that always seems to go on. It’s not that you don’t draft for need, you don’t reach for need. There’s a difference. Unless a prospect is special, you’re not adding to an area you’re already content with. When you have 4-5 positions you could use more talent at, it shouldn’t be that hard to match BPA to need.

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    Dion Jordan is being waived failed physical by he Dolphins today. Been expected for long time.

    • stangerx says:

      Failed physical? Maybe something lingering, but best guess is he just gave up.

    • Tim Knight says:

      And there you have it. So that’s what $3.2M more in cap space. That’s the money we want to use on Zach Brown but he’s not ready to settle for that.

      • D says:

        its 3.2 million more they can add to whatever that he didnt want to accept before….it might allow them to up the ante to the range he does sign.

  82. D says:

    Steve, did you feel that way about the safety position before news of the TJ signing, or did you come to that decision after? If you felt like that before, completely understand it, you didnt put S as a big need area, but if you think TJ changed that, then i really dont see that at all. That is not a we got a guy to count on for years pickup. That would not preclude drafting a safety day 1 or 2. TJ McDonald is not equivalent to a rookie 3rd round pick, because the future with him is completely uncertain and likely isnt there at all.

    • with safety prospects like Dante Barnett & Randall Goforth available later there’s absolutely no reason to go safety early

      • Tim Knight says:

        Because we’re content at safety? 😉

      • no, because there’s good talent at safety that enables you to wait to take one in a later round. Barnett & Goforth have fallen for some reason; people miss on prospects all the time, including in early rounds (Dion Jordan?) and these two guys have the talent to play the position as well as anyone out there.

        JMO, but I’ve seen worse from guys projected to go higher.

    • Leon McQuay III of USC is another late rd prospect as well.

    • steveccnv says:

      No, with the TJ signing it removed safety from being a need. 1 + 0 doesn’t = 0. You can’t add a guy with that much talent and say it means nothing. Like I said above, they bought a year at safety. We can get by at safety for 8 games without him, just like a rookie isn’t going to make a difference at safety 1st 8 games.

  83. stangerx says:

    Far as the 2017 on-the-field roster goes, these are my needs.

    Compete G
    3rd DT
    2-down LB (and even not that if Misi healthy)
    4th DE

    And that doesn’t even include if they have their eye on some young buck already on the roster. All could also be handled after the draft as well.

  84. D says:

    Steve as far as McDowell is concerned if ya check back a month or so ago you can see where i was saying pretty smilar things to what you did, he’s a possibility at DE, and someone they could slide inside on pass rush downs and bring in another DE or move a LB up on the line, to create a numbers game mismatch from internal pass rushers. I have him on my board for sure, but there are players i completely expect to be there that id take over him.

  85. D says:

    Lou im not saying to go safety early, im saying we could if thats BPA and i wouldnt push it back any just because of McDonald signing. My argument is as it was purposed before, do you think McDonald makes Safety not necessary… my answer is it didnt change a thing,

    Im not arguing where or when to draft one, because i don’t know who will be there and in what round, neither does anyone. The only thing we know that might have changed the dolphins big board, and therefore who is BPA at any selection point, is that McDonald signing, and i dont see anything changing because of that signing. No “oh we can wait until the 5th now”, no “oh we can get a guy as an UDFA or 7th round, none of that has changed, we either thought it before the signing or we arent thinking it now….

  86. stangerx says:

    Total career stats for Dion Jordan with the Phins…….26 games played with 46 tackles, 3 sacks and 3 passes defended.

  87. D says:

    I like the Steelhammer kid out of AirForce as a later round S too. Plenty of talent spread out in the draft, they will find the right match for what they want and what round they get them in.

  88. Tim Knight says:

    D, not saying tit for tat on Jordan’s cap for Brown, I agree with you that it frees up the ante.

  89. Tim Knight says:

    Lou, all I was saying is I don’t see safety as a priority but also said maybe in the 5th. It was in response to your being content reply. No biggie. Just having some fun.

  90. D says:

    Lou this happens draft time all the time, players “drop” by draft gurus, i don’t know that they really drop at all with the teams and their personally assessments, and obviously there has to be some truth to that because there are plenty of players who drop by draft gurus and then draft day, they go right where they were slotted to go in the first place.

    • D says:

      Where do you have Goforth going? Im thinking he is a 5th or 6th rounder, but i have seen him as UDFA on several sites. I know i use to see him early on slotted in the 4th-6th ranges so i bet once all is said and done, that’s probably about where he goes.

      • I’ve not seen Goforth going anywhere in those ranges you mentioned. Highest I saw him was 7th rd .

      • although I do have to say I’d seriously consider him in the 5th with one of our picks. Barnett as well. Personally, I think they both probably go higher; especially Barnett. I really don’t see him lasting beyond the 4th and maybe even the 3rd but he’s a guy I haven’t seen going that high either.

        I like both for us and think either one of them would be a huge improvement to what we’ve got there in Thomas and Aikens.

    • steveccnv says:

      Because the gurus are buying the shit the teams are selling them.

  91. Tim Knight says:

    D, as of right now McDonald is viewed as nothing more than a late season addition like Bacarri Rambo. But he’s already in the hopper. It’s not an injury situation, it’s an addiction issue he needs to work on. He has plenty of time to work on it and still be engaged with the team until he’s eligible to be activated. It’s more forward thinking by our FO will no risk. We’re working smart and I like it. 🙂

  92. Mike E. says:

    You sign T.J. because you think Allen might not be that good, and because you really have no depth behind him. It’s a minimal gamble, vet minimum salary, and a fresh body in the middle of the season.

    • steveccnv says:

      Then why did we sign Allen? You sign TJ, because it reduces the risk of Allen. Here’s how to tell, if TJ signing makes sense, if you could sign 11 other guys for league min. with the same risk and ability would you? I say 100%.

      • Mike E. says:

        He’s a stopgap, and insurance. Maybe they like a safety in this draft, but there’s no guarantee that we get him, so you sign Allen to hold the place.

    • D says:

      You sign TJ, because if someone goes down you already have your backup plan instead of having to grab a street FA. He isnt available until game 8 so by game 8 if you have an injury, boom, there ya go, you got a guy, he has had a chance to read the play book, sit in on meetings, etc. He is your street vet that can hit the ground running.

  93. D says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 31, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    That’s just your opinion D, again 1 + 0 doesn’t = 0. Why sign TJ at all, if you have no hope he’s going to work out? You take a low risk approach and buy a year. If he does work out what do you do with the guy you drafted? If it’s Peppers, you let TJ go next year (bought a year).
    —————————————————–
    Why signing him to a non guaranteed, vet minimum contract and have a comment that if he steps out of line he is gone if you think he is in your future for years? So what you are saying is that because we signed him we don’t need safety anymore, but we need them just the same amount because as you said, we are just renting at a low rate, so why would that make us shift safety at all in terms of prioirty? If you were going to draft a guy, you still need to draft him because McDonald isnt in your long term plans, if you werent going to prioritize drafting a guy and you got TJ as your depth vet, then you still dont plan on prioritizing… what has change…nothing.

    Even with your belief on why we signed him, we still dont have a guy that changes our draft strategy. If we had signed him to a contract more like Allen’s, tha i couls see how you make that call that he is probably in a short term plan and we dont need to draft a safety because of it, but McDonald’s contract doesnt come close to saying any of that. Tim is more on par with what the TJ signing is, he is a break in case of emergency signing like we did with Rambo last year. Again though, not a guy that changes anything about your draft strat.

    • I don’t believe in any of these low risk contracts because, to me, they’re just a waste of time. Again, I compare this to the Culliver situation even though Culliver had an injury.

      You bring in a guy with an issue like McDonald and sign him to a vet min contract and he says all the right things & when & if he gets a chance to play what’s he going to do out there knowing he’s signed for that little bit of money. Shit the bed.

      These guys are all the same. They don’t want to play lights out for that little bit of money. He won’t do it. Guaranteed. If he even makes it thru camp to begin with.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Culliver was coming off of a bad knee injury and couldn’t run. McDonald is healthy but needs to stop getting high. Not the same situation. More like Ricky Williams just not the same level of player.

  94. Mike E. says:

    Steve

    We also signed Allen to a 1 YR contract, so after this season, both he and T.J. are free agents. It’s not like we signed Allen to a 3 YR contract. We definitely might be drafting a safety.

    • steveccnv says:

      A one year contract is just a rental, it’s a way of avoiding risk. It’s less risk to give a longterm contract to Stills and Branch, then another teams FAs, same thing here, let’s see what they do in our system, before committing. Most deals would be done this way, if up to the team.

  95. steveccnv says:

    First things first, you buy a year on your need, if it works he’s your future, if not you address it next year. The stepping out of line comes from Mando. How do you know TJ isn’t in the long term plans? I think he is, but at low risk, the situation is like Tunsils.

    • Mike E. says:

      That’s just as much speculation as I’m making thinking we like a safety in this draft. We’ll find out in a few weeks!

      • steveccnv says:

        There’s more risk in drafting, than getting TJ the way we did. If draft picks had no value, then it would be about the same.

  96. I think McDonald won’t play a down of football for this team this year. Be lucky to make it beyond training camp.

  97. Randy says:

    Isn’t McDonald a SS? Don’t we need a FS? McDonald doesn’t seem like the guy you’d want playing the deep middle. Isn’t he more of a in the box thumper? I really haven’t paid much attention to him.

  98. steveccnv says:

    If you have 3 needs this year and one additional one next year, only have 3 draft picks, but they are consecutive say picks 22,23, 24 and you graded 4 players exactly the same what 3 players are you taking?

  99. CavalierKong says:

    Adios Fuckface. Thanks for nothing.

    • stangerx says:

      Unfortunately — dude was so screwed up that you almost don’t blame him. We passed that point like two years ago.

  100. Tim Knight says:

    Why are we worried about finding another Jones type safety right now? Most teams don’t have one as good as him. Talk about wanting it all. LOL

    • D says:

      I think you look for it, certainly, most arent going to have one, much less two like you said, but if you get a guy on a rookie contract that gives you close to Jones ability, then you are in a very good place. His rookie contract runs out about the same time as Jones comes up for a renewal, you have your guy to replace him and then you start the process over. Nothing wrong with drafting talent when you find it, even if there isnt a havy need, there will be some day. I mean people think of the Pats as smart with their drafts, but they took Garapolo in the 2nd, with Tom Brady on their team, did they need to take a QB in the 2nd? probably not, but there was talent there so they took it. They wind up getting Brady to play 6 more years like he says he will, then they have a guy who attracts a good trade value and they draft another guy and the cycle just continues.

      • D says:

        Or hell they dont even have to give you Jones like ability, this year, you have Allen you have your plan for the season, but you have a guy who might be Jones in a few years, or next year even. Its about keeping the cycle going, not about wait until ya gotta hit big with a player and draft them then, by then its too late because if he doesn’t pan out, you are properly fucked.

      • Tim Knight says:

        So DE, DT, LB, CB, S, G and TE? Bro, can’t do it all this year.

        These are not all needs, they are wants.

  101. Tim Knight says:

    Oy! The FS/SS thing again. How about interchangeable safeties who can play both? That’s how we play. 😉

    • D says:

      It really depends on the defensive scheme, a lot of teams play a CF with a run support SS, but thats really a thing of the past these days, you have to be able to run cover two with some teams, and you have to cover the middle zone on some, so you really need to have a hybrid. As with all things the DC can compensate, dont have a good middle zone guy, run cover two, by have your MLB slide back into the middle zone and use him as the shallow safety and make them throw in front of him in the shallow zone, or if you want to keep that shut down, have your LB’s go man on the slot and TE’s. Will leave you a little open for dump offs to the RB but you have solved your shallow safety deficiency. Dont have 2 good deep guys, play press zone with your CB’s and keep the WR’s from getting a chance to get deep.

      Teams cant count on having the best of everything so they either need hybrid players or they need to compensate with a good DC who can roll with what they have.

  102. Tim,
    I’m comparing the Culliver & McDonald situation because both weren’t expected to be available until later in the season and with Culliver it was the injury and McDonald is a completely different situation but I think McDonald ends up not even seeing the field with the team.

    By the time we get to game 9 I think he’s gone anyway.

  103. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 31, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    So DE, DT, LB, CB, S, G and TE? Bro, can’t do it all this year.

    These are not all needs, they are wants.
    ————————————————–
    Did i say they were needs? Id say im saying exactly the opposite, im saying you take what the draft gives ya, but no moves up until this point say we WOULDNT take any position, except maybe WR or QB, in any round where the value matched it. There are a lot here that are saying well safety isnt one of them now, im just saying thats not at all accurate, not just because of a guy like McDonald signing the contract he did.

    • D says:

      And yes, all of those positions could be drafted, not all this year, and no one was saying we should try to, i was saying, (and if you argue this then you are a hypocrite because you have said this same thing many times) you keep adding talent through the draft every year, you dont go in saying we HAVE to have this position, unless you are in that position, this year for once we are not, we have some places we for sure need to get stronger, but when it comes to pick 22, we should be adding talent, if its a S, so be it, if its OG, so be it, whomever was the best guy on that board needs to be the guys whose name is called and TJ didnt change that for S.

    • steveccnv says:

      D, you’re all over the place, and not making much sense.

  104. You look up the definition of “wingnut” and there’s a picture of Jordan next to it.

    • D says:

      He has to be our biggest bust, i mean i still dont think he tops a Ryan Leaf, but he’s got to be our franchises top.

  105. D says:

    I didnt think we would be on different pages here Tim, find it odd you taking this stance over a nothing signing.

    Just to be certain, you are saying that because we signed TJ, that we would purposefully pass over a S prospect in any rounds before 5th, even if that guy was BPA?

  106. Tim Knight says:

    D, I’m not just making statements to you. Lot’s of people are saying stuff. 🙂

  107. Tim Knight says:

    D, you are replying to me about what others are saying and not reading what I have said. I don’t think safety is high on the list for our FO but if a guy is there they really love and they take him, I get it. I just don’t think safety is a high priority and it won’t happen. It’s an opinion, doesn’t mean mine is right and anyone else’s is wrong.

    I prefer post-draft when it’s what actually is as opposed to fantasy land that goes on pre-draft. LOL

    I have faith in this regime that they will add good players in this draft. I like this team and think we will be in the playoffs again already.

  108. D says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 31, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    D, you’re all over the place, and not making much sense.
    ———————————-
    I dont think so i have been pretty consistent, the subject has changes and then changed agains and then changed for the sake of changing a third time.

    Original statement, S i whatever priority it was before, people on the board are at whatever place they were and TJ move didnt make a difference. That was the original question or maybe statement, was did that move meant S wasnt necessary. Only thing i have been trying to say, with several other here taking what im saying as something completely different, is that that move did nothing to our draft strategy nor importance of S in the draft.

      • D says:

        I don’t think so, i think have been pretty consistent. The subject has changed and then changed again, and then changed again, for the sake of changing a third time.

        Original statement, i made was S is whatever priority it was before. Team Big Board has the same people at whatever place they were, and the TJ move didn’t make a difference. That was in reply to the original question, or maybe statement, that the TJ move meant S was no longer necessary. Thats the only thing i have been trying to say, though several others here are taking what im saying, then replying as if i am saying something completely different.
        —————————————————
        Sorry i think my typing is falling so far behind my thoughts that what has been coming out in type isn’t really readable. Sorry for that.

  109. D says:

    Steve i dont know what part makes no sense. I read it, and i might have had a run on a sentence or 4, but it makes sense to me! Just read what i meant lol. Shit you have read Piggys broken sentences for years, how can you not read between the lines on mine lol.

  110. CavalierKong says:

    A lot of talk about taking a flyer on a safety for the minimum. Gotta love the offseason.

  111. naplesfan2010 says:

    we just waived Dion Jordan.

  112. dbolt48 says:

    I just wanted to remind everyone that Dion Jordan blew himself up with a shop vac.

  113. Mike E. says:

    If only his real name was Dion Fuckface. Maybe Ireland wouldn’t have moved up to #3 to get him.

    • Brian in NY says:

      Fucking piece of shit. Both of them.

      • Mike E. says:

        Honestly, I blame Parcells. Fat POS was lazy as fuck in his planning , and assembled a hodge podge of never was’s and has been’s as our GM, HC, and assistant coaches. I can’t say Parcells ever cared about our team.

  114. Tim Knight says:

    Well Ireland is gone and so is his entire last draft class. Get out the Febreze and redecorate. LOL

  115. Rockphin says:

    Dion being cut ends the tenure of last player of what has to be the worse draft in franchise history.

    one first round pick, two 2nd round picks, two third round picks, two fourth and two 5th’s and one 7th. All now gone. Nothing left. SMH

    • stangerx says:

      I normally won’t call a guy bad pick if we don’t re-sign cause his number got too high……but only one that even might fall in that category is Sims. One horrible draft for sure.

  116. dbolt48 says:

    I blame DFF for me having no faith in bad decision makers maturing🤣

  117. stangerx says:

    Guess I’m going have to put something else up in the pool room. Anyone know if you have to repaint after removing a fathead?

    • steveccnv says:

      Unless you glued it in, it’s supposed to peal off.

      • stangerx says:

        Was joking (live in an apartment), but guessing those few who bought the Jordan model will find they got less than billed — one that will leave a serious stain. 🙂

  118. Brian in NY says:

    I know that we need defense, but I can’t help but thinking that Forrest Lamp should be the pick. Bushrod is signed, and Larsen could be used as a solid back up. It would be nice to have an OL that looks like : LT Tunsil , LG Lamp, C Pouncey, RG Bushrod, and RT James. I have a feeling that they are thinking about Larsen as the starter, and looking for a playmaker on D though with that first pick.

    • stangerx says:

      Lamp for sure makes the most sense as far as slotting him into the starting line-up on draft day. Don’t be surprised if the two go into a compete that Larsen wins over Bushrod though.

      • Brian in NY says:

        True. I’d just like to have a really good OL, with some solid backups so we don’t fall apart if one guy goes down.

      • stangerx says:

        There is no doubt there will be one or even two more OL guys in camp with a has at least “a chance to start” on them. Exactly how far we go with it depends on something none of us know — how they feel in Davie about Pouncey’s health.

    • steveccnv says:

      We cant get to the next level unless we have a better D, we can get to the next level with the current OGs. The team views OG as a non-primary position, so for them to draft it in the first would be out of character.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed. I think it will be defense early and often.

      • Brian in NY says:

        You can’t definitively say that without first seeing them on the field. Tell that to Ryan Tannehill and Jay Ajayi. I think they would beg to differ.

      • stangerx says:

        Think for sure it will be defense often (but then thought that last year too), but not so sure that counts in definitely the 1st and even 2nd.

  119. sb7mvp says:

    Ask wake or Suh what side of the ball we should draft.

  120. Tim Knight says:

    Brian, you don’t have to go guard 1st rd to improve. I’m just saying I doubt we do, not that there is no chance.

  121. Tim Knight says:

    Was watching Rose and Bokamper on their show and Rose said people in the FO told him every defensive position is in play for the draft. That doesn’t mean we draft every one of them, but if BPA is there they’re all on the table.

  122. The more I watch Taco, the more I want Lamp in the 1st.

  123. The more I watch Taco, the more I want Dawuane Smoot.

  124. The more I watch Dawuane Smoot and Carroll Phillips, the more I want both & the more I think we’re not going to have a shot at them in the rounds I had us taking them in.

    • Tim Knight says:

      They are both 3-5 round guys right?

      • There’s scouts who think Phillips has 1st rd talent, however, I can’t see that happening but when you look at him and what else is available on defense he could definitely go in the 2nd rd.

        Smoot’s biggest issue is his lack of playing time because he played behind Jihad Ward in ’15 and wasn’t a full time starter until last season. Talent-wise he’s as good as anyone else in the 2nd rd. If he adds a little bit of size and strength with weights he’s got the possibility of being one of the best DE’s in this draft when we look back at it 3 yrs from now.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Phillips has explosion and ability to bend and flatten. Not ready to be a full time DE, but you give him 2yrs of development & strength training I think he’ll be a borderline pro bowl type player.

      • I’m not thinking of Phillips as a DE. I’d much rather him at SAM. I think he can close down plays on his side and then be used as a pass rusher on 3rd downs. Wouldn’t want him as a full time DE.

  125. Tim Knight says:

    Does anyone understand the cap space?
    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap/

  126. Tim Knight says:

    If we stay where we are I could see our draft going something like this.
    1. DL
    2. CB
    3. LB
    5a. OG
    5b. DL
    5c. CB
    7. OG

    • Mike E. says:

      Where’s the safety and TE? This is bullshit! lol

      • Tim Knight says:

        LOL

        We pretty much addressed it for this year. Fasano replaces Sims role, Thomas replaces Cameron, Gray is depth and Duarte needs to take the next step.

        Jones signed for 5 years, Allen, Thomas, Aikens, Hendy and McDonald for the 2nd half is not a pressing need anymore.

        But if a BPA falls then they are possibilities. 😉

      • steveccnv says:

        I already told you Mike no safety 😛

    • The Flying Pig says:

      How dare you wait u til the 3rd round to take a LB!

      Where are your Oinks!
      🐽

      • Tim Knight says:

        4-3 LBs can be had later. It’s the top guys and edge guys who go first. But you can flip my order around if you wish. 🙂

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I’m just BB

        Generally I would like youth on D

  127. Tim Knight says:

    Thanks Lou. So the $9,995,089 is what’s left for UFAs and in-season moves which are always on the cheap side anyway?

    • give or take a little because, like I said, none of them are completely accurate. we saved some by restructuring Misi’s contract so that needs to be added back & then the McDonald contract isn’t in that figure yet. Even the NFLPA figures are off because all the contracts aren’t in those figures.

  128. stangerx says:

    Breaking: NFL will force Stephen Ross to sell the Miami Dolphins

    (anyone know today’s date?)

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/breaking-nfl-force-stephen-ross-151620296.html?hl=1&noRedirect=1

    • Mike E. says:

      Joke or not, I know OD got excited.

      • stangerx says:

        Yeah — OD sure don’t like Ross. You should hear some of his stories about his battles with Hugzienga and Robbie. I figure he is the voice for the guys who buy tickets. He’s helping us all out on that.

  129. The Flying Pig says:

    No more The Shining clips
    I want to sleep tonight

  130. The Flying Pig says:

    If we took CB in the 2nd
    Desmond King might be a nice pick
    I mean he is kind of a hybrid S/CB
    But he would be the big CB they like

    If you follow Tim’s positional selections

    1. McDowell/Barnett/Harris
    2. King
    3. Anthony walker?

    I think with those 3 5th rounders we might be able to move up in the 2nd or 3rd round
    Or even get into the 4th

    Everytime I do a lock there is a lot of talent left in the 4th
    Then it tails off a little

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m guess King being 5’10
      Doesn’t help this argument

      • Tim Knight says:

        He might be a good fit in nickel and dime which is a lot of the time. He doesn’t have to be one of the 4 starters, but a significant role player. Could push guys like Thomas and McCain. I can’t see us not drafting corners based on Gase’s comments.

      • someone needs to play the nickel or the dime because with Michael Thomas in there it’s been more like the penny.

  131. The Flying Pig says:

    CB GAREON CONLEY
    OHIO STATE
    54: R2P22
    LB DUKE RILEY
    LSU
    97: R3P33
    EDGE CARL LAWSON
    AUBURN
    166: R5P22
    LB ELIJAH LEE
    KANSAS STATE
    178: R5P34
    C KYLE FULLER
    BAYLOR
    184: R5P40
    CB JEREMY CUTRER
    MIDDLE TENNESSEE
    223: R7P5
    DL PAT RICARD

  132. My April 1st Jeff Ireland mock:

    22: R1P22
    G JERMAINE ELUEMUNOR
    TEXAS A&M
    54: R2P22
    DL NAZAIR JONES
    NORTH CAROLINA
    97: R3P33
    QB C.J. BEATHARD
    IOWA
    166: R5P22
    LB CALVIN MUNSON
    SAN DIEGO STATE
    178: R5P34
    S JOHNATHAN FORD
    AUBURN
    184: R5P40
    TE BLAKE JARWIN
    OKLAHOMA STATE
    223: R7P5
    OT JUSTIN SENIOR
    MISSISSIPPI STATE

  133. steveccnv says:

    Adding McDonald to the cap does relatively nothing, because when you add him in you also have to remove the guy from the bottom, so adding in $775K (4-6 yr players) and taking away $465…

  134. Tim Knight says:

    One of the reasons to add DL now is that we have a vet room and it would be great to help teach young bucks how to work and be pros. All our main DL are in their 3rd season and more.

  135. steveccnv says:

    TJ McDonald says it’s Hammer Time (MC), the dude is big 6’2″ and 217 and lays the wood.

  136. steveccnv says:

    Impending free agent SS T.J. McDonald pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of reckless driving involving drugs or alcohol.
    McDonald was originally charged with driving under the influence of drugs after he was arrested last May, but he pleaded to a lesser offense. McDonald was sentenced to three years probation, ordered to complete a three-month alcohol program, and ordered to complete one-month residential drug program among other penalties. Likely to face a suspension now that the legal situation is resolved, McDonald could find a quieter than expected market in free agency.
    ——————————————————————————–
    It’s not like he was coked out or on MJ or even drunk, but not sure if he has an addiction to pain killers. Wouldn’t be surprised if every NFL was addicted to them. He’s got a chance to make us really good in the back end late in the year, when we usually are banged up and falling apart. Would be a nice change from last year.

  137. steveccnv says:

    “T.J. McDonald, listed at 6-foot-2 and 217 pounds, is a hard-hitting safety who was ideal for the aggressive style of former Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams. Last season he also made some pretty drastic improvements in coverage. Pro Football Focus had him with an opponents’ QB rating of 68.8 while serving as the primary coverage defender, which was nearly half the QB rating he surrendered over the course of his first three seasons (121.6). McDonald played in every game last year and registered six defended passes. At 26, he was also a young free agent. He should provide the Dolphins with a major lift in their secondary for the second half.”

    ————————

    Doesn’t sound like a nothing signing to me.

  138. The Flying Pig says:

    Malik McDowell has entered into one of my favorites for #22
    Over Mike E’s objection

    Jabril Peppers
    McDowell
    Barnett
    Cunnigham
    Lamp

    Those are pretty much favorites at 22 right now

  139. pheloniusphish says:

    Seats picked. Bring g o. The season!

  140. The Flying Pig says:

    There are probably some CBs out there that make good picks

    But I don’t know the CBs really well yet

  141. The Flying Pig says:

    Honestly
    Isn’t it weird that Lamp is basically the only guy on offense worth considering

    …maybe OJ Howard which is more BPA
    But pretty much it’s Lamp or defense in the 1st

  142. Tim Knight says:

    Gave it a shot and went BPA with need in mind. 😉
    22: R1P22
    DL MALIK MCDOWELL
    MICHIGAN STATE
    54: R2P22
    LB JARRAD DAVIS
    FLORIDA
    97: R3P33
    C ETHAN POCIC
    LSU
    166: R5P22
    CB DAMONTAE KAZEE
    SAN DIEGO STATE
    178: R5P34
    TE JEREMY SPRINKLE
    ARKANSAS
    184: R5P40
    CB MARQUEZ WHITE
    FLORIDA STATE
    223: R7P5
    LB MARQUEL LEE
    WAKE FOREST

  143. Dolphins are hosting prospect Michael Flatuencia from Shiton U.

  144. Tim Knight says:

    I think we forget that early on some other positions are going to go as well so someone has to fall to us. LOL

  145. son of a son of a shula says:

    I don’t think I’d take Lamp first. I generally accessorize at the end.

  146. Tim Knight says:

    When more than half your draft starts from #166 on you can’t get that picky. 🙂

    That’s why I wouldn’t be surprised if we turned our draft into 4-5 from 7 picks being able to trade comp picks now. You can get UDFAs who are in the same boat as 6th and 7th rd picks. Every draft gets watered down at some point and you just take the BPA/need when you can.

  147. Why doesn’t anyone have a concern about TJ Watt only playing defense one year as a starter and having knee surgery on his right knee that caused him to miss ’14 and then injured his left knee before ’15 that limited his play then?

    The red flags should be flying all over the place on this one.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I like his skill-set though. 2nd rd for him makes sense, 1st rd you better be right.

      There’s your Mis replacement Sam LB and edge guy at times.

  148. Tim Knight says:

    Brian, getting better as a team and winning games is more important than a 3rd and 4th rd pick for a guy who helps solidify the WR corps in his 2nd year. We had to use at least a future 3rd to land him, we didn’t have another 3rd – ours went for Drake. The 4th was the additional compensation. Oh right and a 6th which we also had two of last year. The only minus is a 4th. You have to use a pick to draft the guy. It was MIN’s 3rd that they gave away for this year. They traded it for a 2016 6th and a 2017 3rd and 4th. The 3rd’s are swaps and strangely enough both at #22. 🙂

    If Carroo becomes a solid addition at WR it’s all good. Landry, Stills and Parker and now with Thomas at TE could be lethal. Ajayi has already put teams on notice, better stop me first. 🙂

    • You have to wonder what they were thinking with the pick. Is the philosophy that they’re taking the highest rated guy on the board regardless of need? They said they had a 2nd rd grade on him.

      So was the thinking “hey, Carroo is the highest rated guy there, we should go get him before somone else does?”

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes, for an additional 4th at the end of the day. Oh the horror! I don’t get the panic about it. He was traded for a 3rd we never had, not an additional 3rd.

    • That’s what it looks like to me. Carroo was the highest-rated player on their board and although they had needs elsewhere they weren’t going to take a player just to fill a hole if that player wasn’t rated nearly as high as Carroo was.

      Someone has been pointing out that type of scenario on here about the 1st rd this year.

      • stangerx says:

        They moved strongly up and into the future for him. Clearly they liked him, but not like they had too.

  149. stangerx says:

    Carroo might end up in the HOF, but next year he will be a 4th wideout who barely hit the field last season behind a real solid top three (and all young ones too). And we just signed Stills for years.

    Call me crazy, but I at least would right now trade him back for what we gave up for him.

    • Tim Knight says:

      If any of our WRs goes down he’s next up. Why keep subtracting for unknowns?

      • stangerx says:

        Sorta how it works with a 4th wideout. Maybe I just value that spot less highly than you do. But then I don’t know enough about him to judge since he hasn’t played. Could be they will not re-sign Landry cause they have him or are planning to trade Parker. Just don’t see his possible role as worth what we paid for him as we type.

  150. Tim Knight says:

    The bulk of our players knowing the team mind scheme in year 2 is huge, bigger than the draft to me. That’s icing on the cake. Gase is building a winning mentality. He knows what it looks like.

    • I was one of the few who really liked the pick. yeah, he’s kind of buried on the depth chart but I’ve been saying for years that it doesn’t matter where you upgrade, its the fact that you’re doing it.

      We could have taken a lesser player at another position and what would that have done for us? It starts that same cycle all over again. If Carroo balls then maybe he or one of our other guys gives us the ability to make a trade that will more than recoup what we gave up for Carroo in the draft.

      Maybe we get picks or maybe we get a player at a position where we need help or a combination of the two but we’re not going to get anything like that if we keep taking lesser talent just to fill a need. We’ve seen over the past few years we just keep cutting those types of guys.

  151. So, I go back and look at what they did to get Carroo and, like I said, it makes me think they’re sitting there saying, “we’re sticking with our board. wr isn’t our greatest need but we don’t have a player on our board right now who’s anywhere near close to being rated as high as we’ve got Carroo” and they didn’t value the players they could have drafted with those other picks as much so they used them to go get him.

    So, now, I’m sitting here thinking to myself that after all the talk about Lamp and DE’s and LB’s, what if we get to #22 and the highest rated player on their board is McCaffrey? You just never know.

    • Tim Knight says:

      McCaffrey is such a Pats type player isn’t he? He can line up as a WR too. Don’t be surprised if they they trade up for him and get a dual threat in their system. They just won the SB and seem to be okay where they are. He makes them better. Ugh!

      • steveccnv says:

        Cheats don’t pick until the 3rd I think, so they’d have to use next year’s picks, but I wouldn’t put it past them, they seem to be loading up for the end of Brady.

  152. Tim Knight says:

    It’s about having 4 WRs they like. Not moving this guy and replace that guy. Geez! Everyone talks about depth then wants to move on from it. What’s the point of the draft then?

    • I just go back and look at all the past draft where we drafted for need. Traded down to get Odrick then took Misi in the 2nd. Odrick has no home right now and we couldn’t give Misi away.

      Then there’s Taylor and Davis because we needed cb’s. These are just a few examples. There’s others as well when you look at our draft history just going back to 2010.

      We’ve drafted for need plenty of times & look at what we’ve got remaining on the roster from those drafts.

  153. steveccnv says:

    Damn I agreed with the last 2 Lou posts😀

  154. steveccnv says:

    When you trade next year’s picks they count like one round later, so according to the value chart we actually won the Carroo trade, and that was counting us with the same pick as last year, not 22 in the round.

  155. steveccnv says:

    Carroo was a steal last year, based on what they thought of him. He’s like Matthew’s, but more talented, and more talented than Landry, but Landry’S best quality isn’t his talent.

  156. steveccnv says:

    I expect to see Carroo in the game in 4 WR sets, so imagine our 4th CB trying to cover him, and that’s what he’ll have to beat.

  157. steveccnv says:

    You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don’t use it right what good is it. I think Gase knows how to use it.

  158. The Flying Pig says:

    Dolphins looking at Justin Evans

  159. The Flying Pig says:

    Long term developmental project to play alongside Reshad

  160. manitobafinfan says:

    Piggy , i am glad the Shining pics disturb you, cause that pic from Clockwork with the eye balls and needles makes me cringe and close MY eyes everytime i see it…

  161. manitobafinfan says:

    Back from 🇯🇲And Spring is HERE !!!! Woohoo.

  162. manitobafinfan says:

    Very happy with FO off-season moves so far, would like to have the Zac Brown Band touring with our Berserkers.. but if not cest la vie…

    As far as TJ signing, i like it as a Cost nothing addition, if he gets straight and buys in great , he is a very physical player, there is a chance to sign him longterm at years end if need be.. if not cut him and ni hangover.

  163. manitobafinfan says:

    Allow me carry on talking to myself 😎

    Forgot how many great tunes Bob Seger had..

    Few years back wife bought me a digital Turntable as i own over 700 albums and could now upload a bunch of stuff off them.. finally have the space to leave it set up permanently, so today started to add a couple Seger tunes, and ended up with almost three full albums worth.

    Top 2 all time are Turn the Page and Famous Final Scene , his Sax player rivals Big Clarence ….

  164. manitobafinfan says:

    Also must say Shout out to Mike E and Wedge for the Player articles, and to D, Professor, DBolt and everyone else for discussing the players so us College Ignorant people know who and what is out there… thanks to all.
    Lets hope our CFL signee plays 1/2 as good as Wake has and we may be better set up on D than we realize.

    Go PHINS 👍👍

  165. manitobafinfan says:

    KBi,m dine. Carry on 😎😎

  166. The Flying Pig says:

    I do think, like Barry Jackson said, it would be a good idea to draft a safety to develop

    And that is where Justin Evans might come in

  167. steveccnv says:

    We still need to look at safety, but we don’t need one this year as much as other positions. Do your due diligence and check out the guys out there, and if you feel the BPA value is there you select one. Same thing they did with Carroo, he was insurance in case Stills didn’t resign, we didn’t need him, but they liked the value so much they traded up. We’re in the 2nd round on the clock and there’s a safety there that you’ve graded much higher than DE/DT/CB/OG and you decide to take him instead of reaching for another position of higher need, and that’s fine, we’ve seen enough of Ireland and Wanny reach for guys in the past.

    • steveccnv says:

      I still might not even draft the safety, because I think there’s no need to get one this year, I’d wait and see how TJ meshes with Jones first.

  168. steveccnv says:

    You guys will say, we should draft a developmental type of safety, but we did that last year with Lucas and have Thomas and Aikens for that.

  169. manitobafinfan says:

    Steve , i agree OG is our most pressing need without reaching , play the grades and draft BPA keeping in mind positions of need as well.. if an absolute STUD falls to us outside of round 1 at a non essential Need Position even QB or WR go for it. Hopefully the falling stud IS a weaker position though

    • manitobafinfan says:

      If the grading is even close though , position of need should prevail

    • steveccnv says:

      OG depending on how you feel about Larsen, compared to Allen and Misi. I don’t know enough about Larsen, but I do know our FO doesn’t value OG enough to take one in the first.

  170. Tim Knight says:

    Don’t forget developmental players already on the team. Most of them will be more important than most of this draft class.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      Tim , would you feel we have more developmentals at S or OL ?? Id lean toward more of them at safety … making OL more needy, not that those are only positions in play

      • steveccnv says:

        We need to rid ourselves of the developmental scrubs, guys like Aikens (I know STs), but still…

      • I’m a believer that the bottom of the roster could be churned every year with new draft picks and udfa’s. There’s plenty of talent out there and I agree that there’s some guys on the team like Aikens and Thomas, for instance, who could be replaced.

        Aikens has done well for us on st’s but really hasn’t done anything to earn playing time as a safety. When Isa goes down, instead of Aikens or Thomas getting the nod, we go out and bring in a guy off the street, literally. So what’s the value of either of these guys?

        You can always find guys on special teams. You need quality depth too. Churn the bottom of the roster

  171. Mike E. says:

    Steve

    Did we not just bring in Ted Larsen and also re-sign Jermon Bushrod? No need for an OG.

    See what I did there? 🙂

    • steveccnv says:

      Yes, but neither is a stud, TJ is a stud, making OL more of a need/upgrade needed than safety. We don’t have a glaring need for starters, but since our 3rd DT will play a lot, that may be our biggest need, then OL, DE, CB…

      • Mike E. says:

        Steve, he’s talented, but he was just suspended for drugs, no? He’s a risk, whether it’s a talent risk, or personality risk, still a risk.

  172. Mike E. says:

    Hey Toba! What up Dougie Fresh?

  173. steveccnv says:
    April 1, 2017 at 11:30 pm
    OG depending on how you feel about Larsen, compared to Allen and Misi. I don’t know enough about Larsen, but I do know our FO doesn’t value OG enough to take one in the first.
    _______________________________________

    I’d like to think they’d take someone like Lamp in the first but I tend to agree they’re not valuing the guard position that highly. The earliest they’re probably going to take one is the 2nd and maybe even the 3rd rd.

    Feeney, Dawkins, Johnson, Elflien, Asiata are all guys who could possibly be had 2nd or 3rd rd and that’s the way it may work out.

    I also strongly believe they believe in their board and they are going to take the highest rated player they’ve got regardless of what the glaring need seems to be. With what they’ve done with re-signing Branch and bringing in Hayes on the d-line I think they feel good about where they’re at. At LB I think they feel good with Timmons and re-signing Misi and having a guy like Hewitt there as well. Same goes for the offensive line with Bushrod and Larsen and dback with Allen and McDonald being signed.

    So, like others have said to me before, they are going into the draft looking at the situation as though they don’t really NEED to draft a player at any one particular position but, rather, just take guys who will increase the overall level of talent on the team and if it so happens to fill a void somewhere then all the better.

    • steveccnv says:

      True that, which I’ve mentioned several times, but once the draft starts there’s going to be guys on our board that fall and we’re going to trade up to get, much to the dismay of most of FU. I have no problem trading up to get someone you really like, it’s better than just taking the shit that is there when you’re on the clock.

      • steveccnv says:

        Which was the logic they used with the Carroo trade up. You give up fair compensation to your trade partner, so you gain nothing there, but you get value from where you have the draftee graded. Then you trade down, when you don’t like the value, from your board, when you’re on the clock, if you can.

      • If they stick with this philosophy I can’t argue with it. Instead of sitting here day after day combing over the prospects I’m just going to sit back from now on and just observe.

        Can’t wait until the draft now to see what they do. Don’t care about the positions. I just want the best guys out there.

      • steveccnv says:

        So how did you feel about the Carroo trade up?

  174. The Patriots typically only have about 15 players with 1st rd grades on them so if they were sitting at #22 they’d drop out of the 1st altogether.

  175. Mike E. says:

    I like Dawkins a lot. I’d be very happy with him in the 2nd

    • steveccnv says:

      I’d rather go Pocic/Elflein in the 2nd, but based on Dawkins scouting report he seems ok, haven’t looked at him yet.

      • Mike E. says:

        Plays real mean and nasty. Pat Kirwan was interviewing him, and Kirwan, who watched a lot of his film asked Dawkins if he was ever on the ground this season. He said once, other than tripping, but he was only knocked to the ground once. He’s a tough customer who has played a lot of tackle and guard. I think he’d be great for us.

  176. olddolphan says:

    Mike E: USUALLY OUTSTANDING ANALYSIS!!! – – I second Young Stanger’s comments on this article.
    QUESTION: Did you have a chance to take a close look at Florida Atlantic’s Trey Hendrickson, DE, who was last season’s Defensive Player of the Year in Conference USA?? I’ve seen him rated anywhere between a 3rd and 5th round pick. Trey is FAU’s all-time sack leader and, if available in the middle rounds, might get some interest from the Fins. He would be the FIRST FAU PLAYER ever drafted by Miami.
    —————————-
    ALSO , I do not agree that adding Larsen and resigning Bushrod means we don’t need another guard. Both have failed to impress me (although I HOPE both of them will). We still have AT LEAST ONE HOLE TO FILL in our O-Line, and that assumes Pouncey plays all 16 games, which I would bet against.
    —————————
    AGAIN, thanks for the terrific article.

    • stangerx says:

      Good to see you OD. And could not agree more about getting another G…..my best guess is that out of Larsen and Bushrod — one will be starting and the other will be the next man in.

      Not sure if I would call either of them a hole, but it is the clearest place to upgrade. Actually feels pretty good to be able to say that versus past years at this time.

  177. The Flying Pig says:

    Josh Jones is the other safety we recently brought in

  178. Mike E. says:

    Thanks OD – I don’t think we’re OK at OG either. It was a joke to Steve.

    • steveccnv says:

      I think everyone wants an upgrade at OG, but if we have to go into the season status quo we’ll get by, just like both SB teams did last year, it’s not a position you have to have a stud at. Unless we take an OG in the first the chances are he isn’t going to start this year anyways, so better get used to the thought of Larsen and Bushrod as the starting guards.

      • olddolphan says:

        I DON’T THINK “we’ll get by.” I think our running game will take a big hit AND our QB will be in extreme jeopardy. If we start the season with Larsen & Bushrod as our starters for 16 games we’ll be lucky to go 9-7 (and probably WON’T go 9-7). Want to bet me on that, Steve?

      • steveccnv says:

        Lots of other factors will go into us going 9-7 or higher, not many of which are related to who plays OG, so no.

  179. stangerx says:

    Maybe am hitting the koolaid — but even turning pure roster think we are a better team right now than were last year on opening day. And in that am even including moves that did not work out in the season like Mario Williams and Cameron.

    That is before whoever else comes on in the draft or as FAs.

    • steveccnv says:

      I agree, plus Gase knows what he wants to do now, as opposed to the way he coached the first 5 games last year, when we were the worst team in the NFL, even Clev. should’ve beaten us and would’ve had it not been for a missed FG to end regulation. Timmons and Thomas are huge acquisitions for me, Larsen and Allen are stopgaps.

      • Tim Knight says:

        We forget that we put CLE away in that game and somehow let them back in. It was as if we thought the game was over too early.

      • steveccnv says:

        Tim has his quota of writing forget for the day 😛

      • stangerx says:

        Cleveland is what the down side on it. Still feel we got lucky last year in so many games against bad teams and the schedule will be tougher this year. Maybe Gase has a way of winning the close ones like the great ones do, or maybe we end up 8-8 or 9-7 and miss the playoffs with an actually better team.

      • steveccnv says:

        Why will the schedule be tougher this year? Yeah we play 2 games against 2nd place teams instead of 4th place, but they said our schedule last year was much tougher than the one the year before and didn’t turn out that way. One thing about the schedule that will piss me off is playing again on the road on Thursday for like the 4th time in 5 years, when the cheats haven’t played more than one road Thursday game in the last 7 years. Thursday road games are the biggest disadvantage of all the games.

      • stangerx says:

        Who know how it turns out in the season, but AFC West and NFC South are not exactly the divisions you want to line up against.

      • steveccnv says:

        Again that’s what they said last year about the NFC West and the AFC North.

  180. steveccnv says:

    Mike, I’m in on Dawkins, he reminds me of Joe Jacoby from the 90’s hogs.


    My updated draft wish list, 1) Malik McDowell 2) Dion Dawkins 3) haven’t looked at LB enough yet, but that will go here. The rest I don’t really care yet, just want BPA.

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s Dawkins #66, they don’t show where’s he’s at on this tape.

    • steveccnv says:

      Make that edge and not LB in the 3rd, Misi will start over any LB we take in the 3rd or lower. Don’t really like the thought of taking an OLB high, when he may not stay on the field too long (sub packages).

      • steveccnv says:

        I want to like Tanoh Kpassagnon, because I want a tall DE to make those quick throws Brady likes harder, but this guy is too raw and not fast enough.

  181. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ Steve

    The CLE game pissed me off. I think the team learned a lot from it though.

    • stangerx says:

      Tim — I was at the top of the section and ready to run to my car, thinking that this is end of the season. Then they blew the easy field goal and went back to the seat. No playoffs last year without that miss.

    • steveccnv says:

      Watching that game I was thinking, OMG we suck, we’re the worst team in the league. The power polls after that game had us around 30.

  182. steveccnv says:

    So far I like Smoot as our edge rusher to take in the 3rd, but hard to judge a guy from watching him play against a small school.

    • steveccnv says:

      Smoot holds his own against Michigan, doesn’t do anything great, but is solid. After watching highlights he looks great, the reality is he’s physical, has quickness, and doesn’t get out of position too often.

      22 malik mcDowell, 54 Dion Dawkins, and 97 Dawuane smoot. this is D perfect Draft for us.

  183. steveccnv says:

    OD, I watch your boy Trey Hendrickson, but he’s a poorman’s Rob Ninkovich. I liked him better than some guys rated higher, but he’s more energy, than talent, I think he’s already peaked.

  184. steveccnv says:

    OD, I’ve got us taking Dion Dawkins from Temple in the second. I never said we shouldn’t take an OG, I said, if we don’t we’ll be ok, and don’t take one in the first. We got by last year with guys worse than what we’re projecting to start this year, and we had a Pro Bowl RB, sure we had a lot of 3 and outs, but the problem wasn’t the OL. Take a look at him dominating State Penn.

  185. Tim Knight says:

    I think the 2nd rd would be a good time for a guard, but I also seeing it being good for a CB.

  186. stangerx says:

    Part of the recent team moves is that they actually might help us get more Phin fans at home games down the road, even if maybe at the expense of local tourism.

    Miami, NYC, and New Orleans have been top away game destinations for fans planning a trip, but now Vegas and LA (times two) will be there as options as well.

  187. Rockphin says:

    sb7mvp says:
    March 30, 2017 at 7:54 am

    I am groot
    Reply

    NO, I AM GROOT!

  188. Tim Knight says:

    Zach Brown will be visiting the Redskins next.

  189. Tim Knight says:

    About Carroo and other notes about the offense. I watched video of Gase discuss this at the coaches meetings but in case some of didn’t here you go.
    http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/article-1/Carroo-Expected-To-Take-Next-Step/a5770d06-c29a-4179-970b-500af99da4e4

    • Mike E. says:

      Hopefully that role is on the FIELD, and not on the BENCH!

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think we see a different offense this year. Not system, but approach. Gase learned a lot about this team and being a HC including mistakes he admits he made last year.

    • stangerx says:

      “We need to lean on his strengths more, which I don’t think I did a very good job with last year. I have a better idea of, how we do want to use him this year going forward? If something were to happen with one of those guys outside, we definitely know how we want to use him to his strengths…..You have a guy that’s smart, an extremely hard worker and he does have a desire to be a guy that ends up starting for us at some point in his career. That’s a tough lineup to crack.”

      To me that is coach-speak for working on it with him. Interesting that he talked outside guy though. Might be to Landry’s agent as well.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Gase is frank when he speaks. He doesn’t BS.

      • stangerx says:

        Completely agreed. One of the things I really like about him. Take him at his word. He’s also a real nice guy, and that includes him taking some of it on himself.

      • steveccnv says:

        Gase can do those things, because he’s not insecure, like…

  190. Tim Knight says:

    Not that CBS NDS is the book on where prospects will go, but it looks like about 8 OLBs could go 1st and 2nd rd and only about 3 ILB. The fact that there are 11 or so LBs ranked that high, there’s a good chance a couple fall later as well. Other positions will be drafted pushing some good talent at multiple positions for us at #97 in the 3rd and that’s why I think we can get a LB here.

    • steveccnv says:

      If you’re taking an LB in the 3rd, which position are you not taking top 3 (DT,DE,OG)?

      • Tim Knight says:

        I posted yesterday DL, CB, LB. We target guards later and probably sign another vet for the open competition. I believe the team thinks higher of Bushrod and Larsen than others do. But there will be competition.

        Guards in our offense don’t have to be dominant. They need to be athletic though.

  191. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, there’s a reason Peyton loved him. 😉

  192. manitobafinfan says:

    Gronk in the ring at Wrestlemania. Hope he broke his frikking shoulder.

  193. manitobafinfan says:

    Mike E. thanks . Yes i am a lot more chilled out, was much needed.

  194. naplesfan2010 says:

    I like DT Dalvin Tomlinson in the second …hoping he drops to us there. Just his picture is frightening. He is very smart and intrinsically motivated. Just the perfect Gase type guy.
    We really need another quality DT for our rotation.
    I want Haason Reddick in the first.

    • steveccnv says:

      I think he’s a product of the great players around him, but he had 1 sack and 2 other tackles, got very little push the entire game against a weak W. Kentucky team.

      • steveccnv says:

        Against Wisconsin he had 2 batted balls, at least he knew he couldn’t get any push and played for the batted ball, and very little else. He seems to be the last lineman to the QB on every play.

  195. manitobafinfan says:

    I will be happy for a Starter anywhere with RD 1 pick

  196. olddolphan says:

    SO STEVE, I see where you think “We’ll be OK with Larsen and Bushrod as our starting Guards” but you WON’T bet we’ll go at least 9-7 if they start. WELL I guess that means 8-8 or worse, so I’d have to say I’m underwhelmed with both your logic and your intestinal fortitude.

    Yes,Steve, “other factors” could cause a lousy season for Miami. Ajayi COULD suck. Tannehill COULD have a lousier season. The wideouts could be unproductive. And the defense could be on the field way too long and, in the end, get worn down. But the TRUTH IS, if some/most of those “other factors” do occur, THE FAULT WILL LIE IN THE FACT THAT LARSEN & BUSHROD were not good enough, and, perhaps, POUNCEY did as expected, play only PART of the season before having to be replaced. IF MIAMI selects a starting quality O-Lineman in the first two rounds, it’s highly likely his starting job will come at the “cost” of either Larsen or Bushrod starting game one. THAT, to me, will be a huge plus. HOW HUGE?? it will be the difference between a non-winning season and contention for a playoff spot! And you can quote me on that!

    Man-up, Steve.

    • steveccnv says:

      I got your intestinal fortitude right here pal. Funny how Gase said Bushrod was our 2nd best OL last year and he played all 17 games. I said we’ll be ok with those 2 starting, but of course we should try to upgrade I just don’t like taking an OG, nor does the team, with #22. Maybe you didn’t see where I have us taking Dion Dawkins in the 2nd, I also said I wouldn’t complain with Lamp at #22, but I don’t want him there.

    • olddolphan says:

      I read your posts and was NOT impressed at all, Steve. And as far as you shutting what you call my “fucking mouth”, your’e only displaying your childish behavior and your lack of fortitude. Take your own advice and read some of MY older posts. They include my exact seat numbers at the stadium if you REALLY want to try to shut my mouth! I don’t think you’ve got the balls to do it.

      You’re a total fraud, Steve. Good ight and good luck.

      • steveccnv says:

        From the guy that still worry’s about Ross like a 2 year old can’t get over something. I read your posts all you do is bitch about one thing or the other or talk about FAU that no one cares about.

  197. olddolphan says:

    MANITOBA: I’ve worn your Winnipeg Jets cap twice in the last 2 weeks and they won both times!!–Plan on donning it again for their next game. –Good to see you on the board!

    • manitobafinfan says:

      Thanks OD ya took too long to start wearing it though, they aint making playoffs … hope The Lightning do.

    • steveccnv says:

      Just another kiss ass OD post.

      • olddolphan says:

        THANKS, again, for proving my point, Steve. See you at the stadium.

      • steveccnv says:

        You have no point, you never have. You post here like you’re on Twitter, got up took a shit, have to be in Baltimore this week, don’t get a day off for 3 more weeks.

      • steveccnv says:

        I can’t think of one of your posts that brought anything to this board. Bitch about one thing or another, never a thought or idea how to fix anything, or who to draft.

  198. naplesfan2010 says:

    I think this is a year we really have set ourselves up for drafting a superstar BPA.

    Our only real remaining need is at DT where we really do have a significant hole.

    We seem to have set our eyes on certain guys in FA, TWO TEs, TWO Safeties, a DE (runstopper), a MLB (runstopper/interceptor), and a starting quick guard LG (pulling guard).

    In addition, we re-signed our deep-speed WR, our playmaking OLB, our pass-rush DEs, our LS, and cut or let walk a lot of dead wood.

    The only loss worth mentioning was Dion Sims, but that was a little like losing Rishard Mathews. Yeah it hurts, but it isn’t insurmountable and couldn’t be helped.

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