Last week I brought you a bevy of Linebacker prospects the Dolphins may or may not have a shot at, and in weeks past, I gave you the O-line, and the defensive ends. This week I’m going to take a look at the Cornerbacks, another definite area of need. Coach Gase has made it clear he wants more CB’s, so let’s take a look at some prospects!
Marlon Humphrey CB 6’0” 197 Alabama
Marlon Humphrey is coming to the NFL after only just finishing his Sophomore year, which means he has only 2 years of college experience, and that he’s very young, 20 years old. Humphrey was a starter both years however, and has played well enough to make the decision to leave for the NFL. In Humphrey’s Sophomore (last) year, he finished with 36 tackles (26 solo), 3 TFL’s, 5 passes defensed, 2 INT’s (1 for a TD), and 1 FF. In 2 seasons, Humphrey has a total of 5 INT’s. Humphrey performed pretty well at the combine, not earth shattering, running a solid 4.41 40, and a very good 6.75 cone. He has very loose hips, and excellent trait for a CB which allows him to flip and turn from his backpedal easily. As expected, after only 2 seasons, Humphrey does need some things cleaned up, and is not necessarily a finished product. NFL.com has Humphrey rated 2nd highest at 6.1
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Gareon Conley CB 6’0” 195 Ohio State
Conley will be coming to the NFL after finishing his Junior year at Ohio St. A 2 year starter, in his Junior year, Conley finished the season with 26 tackles (21 solo), 3 TFL’s, 8 passes defensed, and 4 INT’s. Conley is an excellent cover man, allowing just a 37% completion rate. He’s a press corner, but has the instincts to play zone coverage. Conley ran a decent 4.44 and an excellent 6.68 cone. Paired with Marshon Lattimore at Ohio St., one would think he was picked on often, but Conley held up his end of the bargain. NFL.com compares Conley to Aqib Talib and is rated at 6.01
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Kevin King CB 6’3” 200 Washington
A lot to like about this kid, and shoot, he’s 6’3”, and runs like a deer. One plus with King is he’s played outside, but has also played in the slot. Not a physical player, more of a physical presence. A 3 YR starter at Washington, King in his Senior year totaled 44 tackles (26 solo), 3.5 TFL’s, 13 passes defensed, and 2 INT’s. While he’s played inside, I just can’t see him against guys like Julian Edelman or David Amendola, but some teams now feature bigger receivers or TE’s in the slot, and that’s where King would shine. King has also played some safety, so he has experience there as well. I always liked Sean Smith when he was here, despite the fact many hated him. I felt he always did a pretty good job in coverage, and no he wasn’t the most physical player, but King isn’t either. King ran a 4.43 40, an outstanding 39.5” vertical, a rubberband like 6.56 cone, and what really impresses me, is that 600 lb/ft of torque that jets him to a 3.89 20 yard shuttle. Now that’s acceleration! NFL.com has King rated at 5.81
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Tre’Davious White CB 5’11” 192 LSU
White was a 4YR starter at LSU. In his final year at LSU, White totaled 35 tackles (19 solo), 4 TFL’s, 14 passes defensed, 1 FR, and 2 INT’s. Like King, White has played outside, and has also played inside in the slot. Good closing ability, more quick than fast. Ran a 4.47 40, and was otherwise unexceptional. Not a physical player or willing tackler, he’s much better in coverage. NFL.com has White rated at 6.0
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Adoree’ Jackson CB 5’10” 186 USC
Great athlete who is a two way player, played CB and WR, and is also a great returner as well. Former track star as well. Due to the fact that he didn’t only play CB, he’s still learning the CB position, but did make huge strides at CB his Junior year, which was his last year as he is entering the NFL now. Jackson finished with 55 tackles, 11 passes defensed, 1 FF, 1 FR and 5 INT’s, along with 2 TD returns, and he finished his 3 YR career with an impressive 8 TD’s on returns. The one issue with Jackson is, at least as far as the Dolphins are concerned, is that we usually look for bigger CB’s, at least 6’ tall, but Jackson can certainly handle the slot, and maybe outside as well. One major plus is Jackson has excellent ball tracking skills. Jackson is rated at 5.89 by NFL.com
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Chidobe Awuzie CB 6’0” 202 Colorado
4 YR starter at Colorado, Awuzie’s strength is his physical play and tackling. His Junior year, Awuzie racked up 85 tackles (70 solo), and his Senior year, Awuzie totaled 65 tackles (53 solo), along with 6 TFL’s, 11 passes defensed, 4 sacks, 1 FR, 2 FF’s and 1 INT. Good blitzer with 8 sacks over his last 2 seasons. Only 3 INT’s however in his 4 years at Colorado. Has good size, but very short arms (30 5/8”). He ran a 4.43 40 with an explosive 132” broad jump. Awuzie has played both on the outside and in the slot. NFL.com has Awuzie rated at 5.82.
Supposedly, Miami has shown a fair amount of interest in Awuzie.
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Fabian Moreau CB 6’0” 206 UCLA
A former RB who looks like a RB. Chiseled physique that looks the physical part. 5 YR’s (redshirt) at UCLA and 4 YR starter. In his Senior year, Moreau accumulated 31 tackles (24 solo), 8 passes defensed, 1 FF, and 2 INT’s. Good press corner, played mostly in a cover 3 scheme, and some man coverage. As big and strong as Moreau, he doesn’t play mean. Great athlete, and performed well at the combine running a 4.35 40, a 38” vertical, 136” broad jump and an 11.45 60 YD shuttle, all in the top performers spot. One thing of note, Moreau suffered a torn pectoral injury during the bench press at his pro day, so he may be out a portion of training camp. Rated at 5.76 on NFL.com. Wouldn’t you like to have Moreau be a star CB for MIA so we can call his side of the field “The Island of Fabian Moreau”? Just sayin’ . . .
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Corn Elder CB 5’10” 183 Miami
2 YR starter at the U, Elder, now a CB was originally a RB. Elder despite his size, is a very physical player, and although he doesn’t have the speed or the vertical abilities of Brent Grimes, he’s a player that plays much bigger than his size would indicate. Tenacious player who is a very solid tackler. Elder in his Senior season finished up with 76 tackles (55 solo), 3 sacks, 12 passes defensed, 1 FR, 1 FF, and 1 INT. Elder improved his 40 from 4.55 to 4.45 at his pro day in MIA. Again, not the size we look for to play on the outside, he would probably be better served in the slot. More quick than fast, I can see him matching up well with NE’s pests, Edelman and Amendola. Miami has had Elder in for visits. NFL.com has Elder rated at 5.46.
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Cordrea Tankersley CB 6’1” 199 Clemson
3 Year starter at Clemson. Has the prototype size we’re looking for. “Tootie”, as nicknamed by his brother, has good ball skills as evidenced by his 9 INT’s in has last 2 full seasons. Cordrea finished his Senior season with 52 tackles (39 solo), 6 TFL’s, 11 passes defensed, and 4 INT’s. Tankersley ran a solid 4.4 40 at the combine. Good cover corner who competes and takes the proper tackling stance. When covering TE Bucky Hodges, he held him to 1 catch, and had 2 INT’s in that game. NFL.com has Tankersley rated at 5.76
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I’ve certainly covered a lot of ground today, and mostly because I think we very likely will be double dipping in the CB pool. Yes, we have Maxwell, Howard, Lippett and Maxwell, and yes, Lippett has definitely made strides, but Maxwell hasn’t really shown a lot yet, and Maxwell, though he did play better down the stretch, had a very poor start. Gase and Co. have made it clear they want to upgrade at CB, so I think bringing in 2 CB’s would not be surprising at all.
A few of the guys I put up are boundary CB’s, and a few others are more suited for the slot due to them being undersized for what we look for in a boundary corner. Of course, there are many other prospects out there that may be in play, but I’d have to think we grab at least one of the guys I looked at today.
In today’s NFL, you have to have good depth at CB, and I’m pretty sure after this draft, we’ll have just that. Also, don’t count out a draft day trade for an NFL vet CB, which is also a possibility.
GO DOLPHINS! ZERO IN!
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Good article Mike!
One note to add….Elder said in an interview said the Dolphins were one of the teams showing the most interest in him. I don’t think they dbl dip in the draft at corner, lthough it seems like they’ve visited w/ priority UDFA in the mold of Lafayette Pitts who fit the prototype.
Nice job mike, I’ve seen Awuzie play many times and he’s a great football player. He would be great in the slot. Not sure if that would warrant the 22 pick though.
Tankersley was in for a visit. Wonder who else on this list is yet to come in.
Good. We need corner backs too.
Real good education as always Mike E. Don’t see it as likely as you that we double dip at CB.
We have three legit young guys plus Maxwell. So pretty good years forward coverage there (not that we won’t be looking for a stud, even if one in training). More likely to see that development two-for at G and DE.
I can see them drafting a slot CB for competition
Absolutely I see a CB coming in since it so deep and McCain is sitting there by his slot self with less upside. Take a one-package CB in the 1st or 2nd and think we look elsewhere though till after the 5th picks are done.
Boulder
Funny thing, they were just talking about exactly that this morning on NFL radio. The 2 guys on DID feel that a good slot CB is worthy of a 1st RD pick, because every team uses 3 WR sets, or even uses a TE in the slot, and if you have a CB that can handle either or both well, it’s definitely worth it. Like I mentioned in the article, there are so many different body types at receiver that move in to the slot to create a mismatch, so you have to be able to defend it.
Gotta be versatile
Nickel and dime players play more than some base players. For instance a CB who can play slot would likely play more snaps than say Taco Charlton would at DE yet he’s considered a 1st rd pick.
Quite right Tim
Stanger
Maxwell is 29, and CB’s don’t get any faster as they get older, and I’m not sure how much they love Maxwell anyway. JMO, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we doubled down. Not sure they love McCain either for that matter.
I think they want to bolster the secondary with depth after all the injuries they had last year. As far as who will play when and where will work itself out during TC and throughout the season.
I’m right with you on Maxwell. How much they love McCain is a bigger Q to me actually and have no clue as to the answer. Don’t think there is any doubt that we might take a CB in the first two picks while looking at BPA and difference-maker, but that goes to safety as well.
Mike,
Do you think a player like Peppers that can play both slot and safety be an option in that case?
This is the issue I have with Peppers. Didn’t he mostly play LB last year, or used in the box as a front 7 defender? How do we know he can play slot or safety? I couldn’t find a lot of video of him in coverage.
I really don’t know what to make of Peppers to be honest. I think a team has to have a very distinct plan for how they use Peppers. I’m not sure he can handle covering experienced slot WR’s one on one. I think you’re taking a chance with Peppers. I know he’s a great athlete, but some of the other CB’s are too, and they’re tried and tested and have done well. In that convo on NFL radio, they were saying if you think Peppers is going to be Deone Bucannon, you’re probably not going to be happy with the results you get. He’s an exciting prospect, but I don’t know Boulder if that’s the way I would go.
LOL – What makes him think that?
But we don’t have any needs. Why are we bringing in all these guys for visits?
SB7, are you seriously laboring about the word need? You’re taking it to a silly level. LOL
No, but I am mocking those who did labor it.
Or misunderstood the discussion. It’s draft time, of course were looking to add players. That list Piggy posted is 3 shy of the 30 each team is allowed for pre-draft visits. It’s the pre-draft process.
Nice job Mike E. However I don’t see CB as a huge need. I like the trio of Howard, Lippett and Maxwell. I think Safety is a bigger need.
Just going by what the boss man Gase said. He said he wants corners. Who are we to argue?
We didn’t add any corners in FA but we did re-sign Jones and added two safeties to the other 3 already on the roster.
I’m not saying we won’t draft a safety if it’s BPA, but I don’t see it as a pressing need this season.
https://twitter.com/MDCheer/status/855089175397191680
Mike,
I also enjoyed the use of the word bevy instead of plethora. It gives it the work more substance.
I think our pass D will greatly improve with an improved pass rush, the return of Jones and the addition of another safety who can play center field and cover lots of ground
What safety are you thinking?
I am a huge fan of Peppers. I see him almost like a Cam Chancellor type of presence. Not quite as big but still very physical and fast
TEDRIC THOMPSON
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/tedric-thompson?id=2557881
I kinda thought Deon Lacey was signed as a possible LB/S hybrid sort of player.
Agreed — but could that be a tip to where their mind was going as far as scheme? My big knock on Peppers for us is that we need a coverage S to match up well with what Jones does best. At the same time, think of Peppers as a nickle LB of the future and…..options.
Ken
I would love a safety as well, but Peppers wouldn’t be my choice. Obi Melifonwu would be, from your backyard no less!
He’s more Kam Chancellor size too
Obi is raw there will be a learning curve but the talent is there. I think Peppers is a gamer and will transition just fine right out of the gate
We don’t need Peppers or Taco. Can’t have offenses eating our defense alive.
LMAO – Nice!
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LOL…..might help with the south of the border Miami fan base though. 🙂
stanger,
That was kinda how I was reading it. Trying to “read” what they’re looking for or trying to do. Lacey is small, and I can’t see him playing a lot of base LB. so, if he’s not just seen as a ST guy, where does he fit? Nickel/dime LB seems to be it.
Lacey’s tape in the CFL looks a lot like Peppers in college. Except Lacey had 3 INTs and a TD last season. 😉
Was grabbing on to what you said. Think on D that Gase is looking for lots of pieces, depth in case of injury ,and mold to what I want given who we are playing or even just what the game situation is. Have a feeling he wants to be like a certain genius minus the evil.
More matchup players for different opponents and skill sets.
IMO peppers is one of the better run stuffing safeties in the draft. He’ll be a gamer. The guy was in the running for heisman as a safety. I would be ok if we ended up picking peppers.
Can he cover? That’s the 64000 dollar question
We know he can play in the box and tackle. 1 INT his entire college career. He wasn’t doing a lot of coverage, and if you say he was, 1 INT?
I mean Jordan Phillips has 1 INT. lol
He can definately cover
Whether he is a playmaker is a different story?
But the lack of ints don’t mean he can’t cover
2017 NFL Draft: Here’s the best fit for all 32 teams when they’re on the clock
22. Miami Dolphins
Best fit: DE Taco Charlton, Michigan
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-draft-heres-the-best-fit-for-all-32-teams-when-theyre-on-the-clock/
Ken, the main issue I have with Peppers is I don’t see any video of him covering man on man or covering deep. Almost all his plays are within 10 yards as a box LB, inside slot against the spread that so many college teams run, or as a blitzing DB off the corner. One thing he does do really well is making plays away from his area by working his way through traffic and getting to the ball carrier. He’s an excellent tackler and violent while doing it. I just see no examples of him covering in deep space. A lot of his other highlights are as a PR and occasional plays on offense.
If you’re a team that likes to play a box safety and a deep safety, then he’s a good candidate as the box. You’d have to be sold that he can develop into being more of a coverage guy which many scouts do not think he is.
He has the speed and physical skills to do it. I love the fact you can put him in the box. That will help our run D which was putrid last year. He can cover in the slot and he has the speed to play center field
No doubting the athleticism, speed and box ability. Just nothing to go by playing center field. That’s pure projection based on opinion that he could do it. You’d like to see some examples of him doing it.
I would not get too fixated on Peppers 1 int. Lots of run oriented teams in big 10 and Peppers was asked to play in the box a lot. The ints will come at the next level where he will play more of the center field role
Alright back to work for me. Peace
MARCUS WILLIAMS
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/marcus-williams?id=2558068
TEDRIC THOMPSON
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/tedric-thompson?id=2557881
Piggy, do have video of Peppers covering other than a guy catching the ball within 5 yards and him making the tackle? I couldn’t find any pure coverage examples.
Kiper agrees with me.
http://www.espn.com/blog/miami
Phelon…..I wouldn’t say that too loud😁
I tend to think if a player can handle CB and later handle the LB position he has the ability to play FS. Peppers isn’t my preferred choice, but I truly believe he’ll have a seamless transition to FS. And at this point it’s all conjecture on whether or not any of these kids will be able to handle centerfield in the NFL even if they did it in college.
His stats don’t seem to support much coverage or playmaking ability. Tackling and range to make them is definitely good.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jabrill-peppers-1.html
I think most of the issue w/ “stats” is he wasn’t allowed to naturally develop over the years as he wore many different hats for Michigan. I think once he’s put at 1 position he should develop. I think ulike Jasonn Allen, Peppers has the mentality to make the switch to a singular position and really be a good player at S. Once again this just my opinion.
Tim
He played DB exclusively in 15
It wasn’t until 15 until he moved to LB
Here is a collection of peppers in coverage
It’s fairly negative
But you can see he did a lot of different things at Michigan and has a lot of experience as a DB
His tape isn’t any more impressive than Jordan Lucas. He’s not very good in deep space. Loses the receiver quite a bit. Experience in coverage is one thing, being good at it another. If you didn’t know this was Peppers and just went by the tape, are you still all excited about him?
I would not call him my top target
But I do think he has that alpha demeanor
And he’s a great athlete
Rather than a Swiss Army knife – I would like to see him play 1 role for a period of year to see if he can excel
Selected thoughts by Grier as to where we are as far as the draft.
“Right now on the big board, we’re probably a little over right now, so we’re probably in the 140s, and that’s probably a little heavy for us”
“For the most part, the board is pretty much set, and now you’re tweaking within groups and rankings. There won’t be any real major jumps.”
“For us, background and character is huge. We won’t take any shortcuts doing that.”
“I think this year is probably a rare year for safeties.”
Full
http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2017/04/19/Miami-Dolphins-GM-on-2017-NFL-Draft-Its-a-rare-year-for-safeties/4691492643693/
Being good in coverage is not just having the speed and athleticism to do it. It’s looking at the offense, understanding what the offense is doing, knowing where to be, being able to recognize the route the receiver is running. I just don’t think any of the things past speed and athleticism are in Jabrill Peppers repertoire. Yes, he’s a great athlete, but does he know what he’s doing in coverage? I don’t think so.
Agreed, making him more of a project than a blue chipper.
dbolt, like I said early it will come down to a team believing that Peppers will develop as a full-time DB and be good at it. Just not a lot of tape supporting it.
No doubt it will come down to that and having an excellent DB coach. Like I said I believe he will blossom, but just like any prospect he can tank. Once again he’s not my preferred selection at 22, but I do believe in him.
Not that Pfffffft is worth anything, but I think this is somewhat true regarding Peppers
•Smooth, explosive athlete – can change directions, accelerate to top speed in a flash
•Makes plays coming forward, especially when unblocked
•Can beat blockers to the point of attack with his explosiveness when he’s able to attack downhill
•Beat WR screen blocks with his quick recognition and closing speed
•Impressive change of direction, recovery
•Tackling is much improved from 2015, where he tended to overrun plays
•Adds special teams value. Excellent elusiveness and vision as a punt returner and ranked No. 2 in PFF return grades in 2016
Biggest concern:
•Not physical in press coverage – gives too many free releases off the line of scrimmage
•Will try to run around blockers instead of address head-on, can lose fits
•Played out of position when lined up as a linebacker in 2016; lacks the strength, physicality to take on and defeat blockers at the point of attack
•In zone coverage, whether deep or in the box, he tends to attack the first thing he sees, which gets him out of position; wants to find the ball too much
•For such an elite athlete, he is consistently late to break and close on passes in front when in zone or off coverage
•Lack of bulk, strength limits his effectiveness in coverage against tight ends
Bottom line:
Peppers is one of the most difficult evaluations in this draft class because outside of punt returner, he lacks a natural NFL position. While he graded well against the run each of the past two seasons, much of his success was when attacking the backfield unblocked. While he is clearly one of the elite athletes of this draft class, he was unable to translate to his coverage skills.. While he clearly has the speed to play free safety, he has limited experience, and has not displayed the instincts needed to decipher plays quick enough to prevent big catches. The comparison to Cyprien works well for him, in large part because it will likely take significant time for him to find his niche in the NFL, and will likely need to play a very specialized role on defense. While many pundits have long been convinced that he is a lock for the first round, his lack of applicable NFL skills makes him a huge risk to be taken so high, especially considering the high-levels of talent and depth in this draft’s defensive backs
IMO, Miami doesn’t take a safety in RD1 unless Hooker Or Adams somehow fall. I’m not huge on taking a safety early at all this year, but Im not in the FO & don’t get paid to scout or make those decisions😁
I’d prefer to take an Xavier Woods or Jhadar Johnson & let them develop for a year.
According to Mando, the Dolphins decided NOT to take their BYE week after the Oct 1 London game against the Saints in order to have it later in the season
Yeah they Gase told Ross that they preferred that.
I didn’t know they could do that.
Someone else did the same thing last year.
Should get us an extra “heat” game……didn’t even know that was an option, but maybe someone was thinking about what did not happen before.
No Tabor (whom we have met with twice now) or Wilson huh…Gator hater…..
Yeah, I left him out to teez you
Piggy
What you said about Peppers concentrating on one role is pretty much what most people think gives him the best chance to succeed in the NFL. Not that he will, but what they’re saying is if some team thinks they’re going to throw him into 3 or 4 different jobs, he will probably fail.
He’s a bit of a gamble
But it might be the jackpot
Can’t argue that
Boom or just okay. I don’t think he’ll be a bust. He could become the next Devin Hester as well.
Yeah TIm I don’t think he will be a bust either
“Just okay” is as bad as it gets with him IMO
Tim
My guess is the league gives teams that give up a home game to go to London that courtesy
I believe it’s the choice of all that go to London.
Seriously, from the same conference, do you see a big difference in Peppers and Lucas? I know he’s not the same level athlete, but he’s just as good of a football player and from what I see a much better DB.
PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.45 seconds
Vertical: 38 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 10 inches
Short shuttle: 4.21 seconds
3-cone drill: 6.78 seconds
Peppers or Lucas?
No comparison, but don’t lose faith in Lucas yet, if he doesn’t bite this year I say he’s done.
Lucas redshirted for us this year. My point was pointing out what Peppers looks like as a DB compared to Lucas. There is much better tape from Lucas as a sophomore than anything I’ve seen from Peppers as a DB at any point in his career.
Also Lucas has even better athletic numbers in some categories. Makes me wonder if Peppers is simply overrated being on a top college team. He may be better with the ball in his hands than as a defender. I’m not impressed with Peppers as a DB. I just don’t see it. I would not take him in the 1st rd if I was a GM. Maybe not even the 2nd either.
College numbers can be skewed, based on opponent and team you play for, so I wouldn’t put much into that. Peppers was one of the leaders on a top D. Watching tape of D players I see guys making plays, when the the play is on their side, I see Peppers making plays all over the field, no matter where the play is.
Gase has a clue, he chose not to have his bye after London. Philbin decided to go on Hard knocks, big mistake. Luke Walton of the Lakers takes timeouts, before his team shoots free throws. Back in the day it used to be a strategy to call TO between FTs.
dbolt48 says:
April 20, 2017 at 2:29 pm
IMO, Miami doesn’t take a safety in RD1 unless Hooker Or Adams somehow fall. I’m not huge on taking a safety early at all this year, but Im not in the FO & don’t get paid to scout or make those decisions😁
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I dont like Hooker, but i have seen some game footage of his thats pretty great. Id prefer a Melifonwu or Peppers as a RD 1 target because with Melifonwu, you have a guy who might not be ready right now but he has a super unique set of physical attributes with his size and speed combination, that you just aren’t going to find year after year.
Peppers has some unique athletic ability, especially run after catch type stuff. He is the Deion Sanders type guy who you could probably line up on offense, could definitely have him as your return guy, etc. He doesnt have a position that he really just shines at though, Deion did, but it may just be a case of needing some time to get there. They kinda jacked around with his development in college, no fault of his own, but they needed him to play other positions and it might have come with some short range consequence of being a plug and play guy.
Outside those first round guy i have several i like scattered all along the different rounds. Maye is a really goof hybrid guy, like Jones, but he needs some fine tuning.
Justin Evans is a kid who played HS just about 20 minutes from my home in Mississippi. Amazing talent, and good mix of size, with well developed skills, with athletic ability. Maybe not top of all but pretty well rounded and plenty to work with and plenty of room to get better.
Orion Stewart i like a good bit, he was a college teammate with Howard so it might be a nice add to out secondary a guy with talent who had played in tandem with a guy we have as a up and coming player.
Josh Jones is a really solid guy too. Eddie Jackson if completely recovered and healthy would be a helluva steal if we could get him in the 5th, pretty good value even as a risk-reward situation if we had to use a 3rd on him as long as we are solid on his chance to fully recover.
Montae Nicholson from Michigan State, again, fairly rare size/speed combo, weakish technique wise, needs some coaching.
Obi Meli Fonwu!
He is a super rare combo physically. Its hard to pass on those guys, even though Melifonwu shows some tackling blunders and i saw some him biting and getting burned on some plays too. Still thats coachable stuff, and doesnt scare me, but unlike Peppers who i think would at the very least start as a return man, Melifonwu might not be a guy who sees the field day 1, but he could push for a start, or at very least pimary backup spot. I could definately see by mid season, him being close enough to ready that they might start rotating him in for Allen, and since that is around the is time we have to decide about activating TJ, he would give us the option of cutting Allen or TJ as soon as that time rolls around and then he sharing the spot with the other.
Yep, I agree with that. Cosell was on NFL radio this morning, and he loves him some Obi.
What do you like about him Mike?
Tim i think you are right, as far as Lucas and Peppers, DB skills wise, they are pretty even, i think its the ceiling and dynamic nature of what you get with Peppers that just makes him to look like he will have a better NFL career, as a right now coparison they are probably pretty even as a S.
Thank you for noticing. I wasn’t trying to make something up out of nowhere. I let the tape tell the story. I used Lucas as an example because of same conference and competition level, and the position Peppers will play in the NFL. He’s not going to be a LB in the NFL. He will get destroyed and probably hurt.
I’m very leery of college talent these days based on how teams play. There is very little pocket and pro style passing even though the NFL is mimicking it a bit. It’s still a very different level. A very small pct. makes the NFL from the college game. Many of those players won’t even sniff the NFL.
The NFL schedule will be released Thursday night on NFL Network in a two-hour special….starts at 8.
Far as us…..
Home: Bills, Jets, Patriots, Raiders, Broncos, Titans, Buccaneers, Saints (in London)
Away: Bills, Jets, Patriots, Chargers, Chiefs, Ravens, Panthers, Falcons
Rumor has it that we open vs Bucs and close vs Bills (both home games)
The only other game I know about is the Saints (London game) which is either week 3, 4 or 5
And our BYE will be later
steveccnv says:
April 20, 2017 at 3:55 pm
College numbers can be skewed, based on opponent and team you play for, so I wouldn’t put much into that. Peppers was one of the leaders on a top D. Watching tape of D players I see guys making plays, when the the play is on their side, I see Peppers making plays all over the field, no matter where the play is.
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I saw what you are saying but part of what you saw as good i saw as bad. He made plays but a lot of the time he put himself out of position and if they had cut it back or they had accounted for him being so aggressive they could have easily turned some of his great plays into ones he woulda got reamed for.
He was just way more athletic than this counterpart and thats the good thing, because that means he can, if molded into a disciplined player, be extraordinary, top 5 at his position and it probably would be true if they put him at LB or S or whatever, but he is one of those guys who is so use to having to be the guy to make plays he doesn’t understand doing his part, or at least it surely doesn’t seem to.
Again, there is a difference in making a play and doing what the play is designed for. Ask Jamie Collins about that, ask some of the DT’s we had last year who got called out for not playing their role. I like the guy, i like the gamble of picking him up with our pick, but i dont think he is as defensively sounds as you seem to. IMO Gedeon, Wormley, Charlton, and Glasgow were the primary reasons that the defense was strong, and Peppers being able to play like that was a result of them doing their part so well.
I don’t agree with any of this.
Steve, Lucas and Peppers played in the same Big Ten Conference. What I’m trying to point out is there is no tape showing Peppers as an elite cover guy. In fact I see sub par. But he is very good in the box at tackling. I also saw Lucas come up and make plays the same way and that was as a sophomore and a DB, not at LB.
Like Mike has pointed out, there seem to be a lot of excuses for why Peppers hasn’t shown this or that. What I see from him is a good box player, good return man and can also make plays on offense. But on defense as a DB, if you didn’t know it was Peppers you’d probably come away saying nothing special.
Lucas was a 6th rd pick. Peppers as a 1st rd pick? I wouldn’t. Even Jalen Ramsey who was a high pick last year had people wondering is he a CB or S and he had a modest rookie season as a CB. I was high on him too, but he’s part of the reason for my be cautious statements. I didn’t see that special in him either in his first season in the NFL. That doesn’t mean he’s not good, but special?
I’m saying be careful of the overhype. These guys are nowhere near Ronnie Lott, Rod Woodson and Deion Sanders level players.
Lucas was also a 3 year starter and team captain as a CB and S. Just saying.
The comparison stops with them playing in the same conference, by continuing on you’re saying the people that have him rated as a 1st rounder don’t know what they’re talking about. I don’t follow the hype I watch the tape.
Foster failed hi drug test at the combine
That’s the same shit Dion FF was doing in the NFL. I’m not sure Foster is worth the red flags. I mean he’s not LT or even a Brian Ulracher.
Just heard @KC week 2 for us as well (some one posted KCs schedule
Week 1 Bucs
Week 2 @ KC
Week 3 ?
Week 4 Saints in London
We’ll find out soon enough……hope wrong on the Bucs though. Better “hot” opening would be Jets, Bills or Pats. Thinner blood with the Bucs guys.
If you ever thought cops can’t be fun too….
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Steve, those pro day results were for Lucas. His numbers were better than Peppers basically across the board but very close.
PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.45 seconds
Vertical: 38 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 10 inches
Short shuttle: 4.21 seconds
3-cone drill: 6.78 seconds
Foster is going to drop for sure. I’d almost bet we don’t touch him until maybe RD 3, but someone will still likely take him RD 1 or 2
Steve, I agree Peppers shows great range laterally cleaning up plays away from his side. But almost always within 10 yards. Plays directed at him he’s less effective. He’s more of a seek and destroy type player than a head on man up guy. Just based on what I’ve seen from his tape.
Can he develop into a really good player, sure, but in no way do I see him as a guaranteed can’t miss prospect. His production just isn’t there. It’s all projection at this point.
That’s better😆
The MNF games leaked
We have 2
Week 10 Carolina
Week 14 cheats
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/04/20/miami-dolphins-to-play-two-monday-night-football-games-in-2017-season/
So far I have this
1 bucs
2 @kc
3 ?
4 saints – London
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 panthers MNF
11 ?
12 ?
13 ?
14 cheats MNF
15 bills
16 ?
17 bills
1 bucs
2 @kc
3 ?
4 saints – London
5 ?
6 @ Atlanta
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 panthers MNF
11 ?
12 ?
13 ?
14 cheats MNF
15 bills
16 ?
17 bills
Ya know, i just thought of something. Remember La’el Collins, lets say we had won the lottery that yar and got him as UDFA (which by the way is going to allow him to make more over his first 5 years than Zack Martin, so maybe it was self induced…..) Then we get Tunsil because of the gas mask, then get Foster this year…. someone would start investigating us hard every year for draft tampering lol. We came really close with La’el too, so even though we didnt get him, we were pretty damn close to that situation too.
Only if La’el gets a big contract after this one. Zack has a $9M option in his 5th year, and has made more than La’el has so far
Probably play the Jets week 3, Pats week 5
Mike E. says:
April 20, 2017 at 4:48 pm
Foster is going to drop for sure. I’d almost bet we don’t touch him until maybe RD 3, but someone will still likely take him RD 1 or 2
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You dont think that if Saban gives Gase a clean report on Foster that he wouldnt take him in the first at 22? I think he would as long as the medical check hasnt come back bad.
Maybe, but who says Saban will vouch for him?
Saban has always said really good things about Foster, im not saying he will, but what im saying is if Saban clears him, i think Gase and the FO would pull the trigger and draft him. I dont think they would pass on his talent, just like they didnt with Tunsil.
Tunsil smoked weed in the gas mask 2 years prior to the draft. Foster had his urine diluted at the combine. Very different situations. I think Foster is overhyped as well.
Steve i know ya like Peppers, but Peppers isnt all that. There is no tape on him i have seen that shows me a really disciplined, elite player at any position. His tape shows me dynamic ability at any position, but he is going to take some refinement and coaching. Thats is not a straight out of the box superstar i see, but he does have everything there is to be one.
Id rather have Melifonwu over Peppers, but Peppers will be the first to contribute something to the team they go to. Melifonwu could likely develop into a Cam Chancellor guy, he has that kind of potential, he needs to put on some weight, get stronger, and develop but he has that postential. You cant teach size with speed and he has it.
Peppers has potential to develop into another Reshad Jones, he has the size and ability to play the box well and with some work his ball skills probably would be on par with Jones as well.
So again, there is star potential in either, but unless i wanted a guy who i could use in the return game or maybe i had some ideas about using him as a nickle LB in some packages, im taking Melifonwu and his size over Peppers and his athletic ability. Neither of them play the S position like a start right away guy, but with Melifonwu, you get to see that he has some development there to feel like you might see him on the field in that position in year 1. I dont think Peppers would be seen on the field at S, next year, unless we were out of playoff contention and we had a chance to start getting him game experience there. I think we would see him day 1 in some returner capacity bt not at S.
Who do you suggest we take at 22 that’s an out of the box superstar?
Patriots week 12 too
https://twitter.com/marc_bertrand/status/855165147106750464
Works as far as the Fest. NE tix prices are off the charts.
We also got a Sunday night home game with Oakland
Not sure when yet
4 prime time games for us
Respect! Let’s keep earning it!
Think Son might push for the CAR game to be the Fest game?
Never mind, that was the Pats schedule
Thanks….now I will have to get over my PTSD from the “Tampa Fest.” 🙂
Bring your Cam Newton love fluid hip waders!
Good article Mike E
Just draft guys that can actually tackle and that’s a good start.
Thanks, and you ain’t kidding!
Fundamental football players are your round 5’s, and we seem to stockpile those lol. Those guys around 4-5 are usually very good and sound players that just dont have the dynamic feel to them to think gotta grab him before someone else does. I guess its kinda sad but its the way of the NFL these days.
D, that’s how I feel about Peppers and a lot of prospects. None of them are really clean as in they come in and are dominant from the get go. I do not see that in anyone for sure. The guy I see being that type of player is maybe Jonathan Allen at both DE and DT. He just seems to make plays based on ability even if he has to clean up his game. But he has the prototype build at 6-3 290ish – he’s very broad and quick for his build. He and Suh along with Phillips would be a tall order for opponents but we’ll have not shot at him. I think he might be the best prospect in the draft. Yes over Garrett. But again, there is no every 25 years type prospect in this draft from what I see.
Follow your board and all the work you put into it.
1 bucs
2 @chargers
3 @Jests
4 saints – London
5 ?
6 @ Atlanta
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 panthers MNF
11 BYE
12 ?
13 ?
14 cheats MNF
15 bills
16 ?
17 bills
revised
doesn’t look like KC in week 2
Also hear Oak is a Sunday Night game (home)
And Balt is a Thurs Night game (away)
So we have 4 prime time games
and an additional nationally televised (I think) game in the London game
We are getting some attention this year with the prime time games. And thanks for getting us the word first as far as what we do know and figuring it out.
Mike E. says:
April 20, 2017 at 5:11 pm
Only if La’el gets a big contract after this one. Zack has a $9M option in his 5th year, and has made more than La’el has so far
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Zack Martin with 5th year option, being a 16th overall pick would mean that he would be 8.49 mil because he would be paid by the average of the top 10 players at his position of RG. Add that to the 8.97 mil he was paid over the course of this rookie contract means he would make 17.46mil over 5 years or 3.49 a year average.
La’el Collins will make 1.6 over the 3 years of his contract and if he winds up signing an extension for whats a top LG makes, would have the next 2 years at about 12mil per. so his total over 5 years is 25.6mil, or 5.12 mil a year.
Im thinking it didnt hurt La’el at all, and i think some might say, helped him for things to go down like that. I actually started thinking about it the day he didnt get drafted and was like, i wonder if some other players might not try to have this happen, because financially it actually works out better.
He’s only played 15 games so far. Not sure if he’s getting top OG money quite yet. If he has a very good season this year, he might.
He started at LG for them both years, he replaced Leary by game 6 as their starter and then last year was their starter until injury. He is ranked as one of the top OG’s in all football. Come on Mikey, you were all on his jock a couple years ago..
I know I was, but he’s still only played 15 games.
Tim Knight says:
April 20, 2017 at 5:34 pm
Tunsil smoked weed in the gas mask 2 years prior to the draft. Foster had his urine diluted at the combine. Very different situations. I think Foster is overhyped as well.
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Diluted urine could be easy to have when you are working out and preparing for combine and pro days and literally running through liquids, especially if he has a documented visit to the DR where he was sick and had to get fluids so he could continue. Again, im not saying the kid is a saint, but i think the same rules will apply. If Gase and the FO isnt concerned over it, they are going to draft him.
Tim, id be more expectant of them dropping him on the board if they argee he is over hyped than diluted urine. I think their scouting tell them if he is worth it to them, their Dr’s know what they think of him medically and their interviews with him and the coaches let them know what risk they think he is. If they think he is worth it, this diluted urine news isnt going to change things.
I think you do have to add in the blow up in the hospital too though, and all of a sudden, where there’s smoke there’s fire?
Not even a pink flag? LOL
And there were interviews at his pro day after, and from what i read most people came away from it at least with an understanding that it was a frustration that wasnt held in check well. I dont know what it said to them but i havent heard anyone saying he is in an off the board kinda situation.
I wont try to have the argument with you though because neither of us know, and really i didnt have an argument other than Gase and the FO will do what they think is right, and if they feel comfortable with it. It wont really matter how you think they will feel and i already know it wont matter how i think they will feel about it. Im also not pushing for us to draft him, but i am saying that that diluted sample isnt going to be any more damning than a guy who was shown bonging out in a gas mask, no matter how many years back it goes.
It obviously affected a bunch of people because they didnt take him, and it obviously didnt affect Gase and company, how can that not see applicable to you to the Foster situation, especially with Foster being a guy one of his closest mentors coached in college?
D
There’s no argument, just a discussion as far as I see it.
Sorry i mean argument in a non offensive way. Argument to me is juts a discussion with someone trying to prove their point to another, not really like a heated exchange kind of meaning. What i meant was i didnt think i could win you over to my viewpoint because neither of us have enough true knowledge about how the FO thinks about this to be able to say we are right.
Furthermore, I don’t care about Foster enough to get into a heated discussion about him. Like you, I have no idea whatsoever if any of the aforementioned things (diluted urine) (hospital blow up) will affect his draft status or not. I was just suggesting that it’s possible when see more than one incident, maybe the guy isn’t so clean after all.
I think Foster is a good prospect, not great. I don’t think he changes our fortunes all that much to begin with. Is he really that much better than Jarrad Davis? Same type of players.
Howard might be the closest to a once a decade player of any people in the first round discussion. Unfortunately, he isnt in one of those juts gotta have it positions that warrants taking him in top 5 because if he was in a lot of those other positions, being head and shoulders not only more talented than the next guy in this class, but in past few classes, as he is, then he would be a top 5 guy. I bet the patriots with the way they use TE, if they were picking top 5 would be strongly considering it at the least.
Does anyone see a franchise changing player in this draft? I do not. Lot’s of good prospects and in time maybe some become dominant players. I just don’t see great from day one although there will likely be a few of them and possibly not in the first two round. LOL
Some people think Garrett might be that guy, but otherwise, there’s no one that stands head and shoulders better than the rest, no.
I think he’s a very good prospect but the leader of a B+ draft at it’s best. I see no franchise type prospects at this time. Maybe one will jump out at me soon. LOL
1 bucs
2 @chargers
3 @Jests
4 saints – London
5 ?
6 @ Atlanta
7 ?
8 @Balt (Thurs)
9 Oak (Sunday)
10 panthers MNF
11 BYE
12 ?
13 ?
14 cheats MNF
15 bills
16 ?
17 bills
I don’t know what week 5 or 7 are yet
but I’m pretty sure those 2 are the only fest options
if they are both home games
Least we know neither are the Pats based on what you put out before…….and how the heck did they let that know anyhow already? Different rules I guess.
it leaks
Most of it is from Mando and the PBP
D says:
April 20, 2017 at 6:30 pm
Howard might be the closest to a once a decade player of any people in the first round discussion. Unfortunately, he isnt in one of those juts gotta have it positions that warrants taking him in top 5 because if he was in a lot of those other positions, being head and shoulders not only more talented than the next guy in this class, but in past few classes, as he is, then he would be a top 5 guy. I bet the patriots with the way they use TE, if they were picking top 5 would be strongly considering it at the least.
That’s a good point. OJ is a complete prospect that will only get better with training and experience.
Tim Knight says:
April 20, 2017 at 6:22 pm
I think Foster is a good prospect, not great. I don’t think he changes our fortunes all that much to begin with. Is he really that much better than Jarrad Davis? Same type of players.
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I think Foster is more refined at this point. He’s probably the best overall prospect if you consider instincts, development, athletic ability, position flexibility, etc etc. Davis is at least an equal if not superior in some ways to foster, but overall i think foster is the better package. There are intangibles that i think Davis has over Foster, and i cant tell you 100% that UF missed the leadership presence on the field when Davis was out more than Alabama did with Foster out. In that way, Anzalone is also better than Foster.
can not cant
The difference isnt a large one though Tim.
Tim Knight says:
April 20, 2017 at 6:26 pm
I think he’s a very good prospect but the leader of a B+ draft at it’s best. I see no franchise type prospects at this time. Maybe one will jump out at me soon. LOL
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Tim the way i see the prospects this year is, yes your right none of them right now are that guy the way some of them have been in the past, except Howard. Howard is really really elite when it comes to TE’s, his only downside is the fact that Alabama didnt utilize him as much as they should so its hard to tell outside of a coupel game,.Those games however were on the biggest stage against the best opponent Alabama played against and he literally was the reason Alabama wont the first one and was the reason they damn near came back last time. Other than that they are a bunch of them that might be extremely good, turn into franchise players and it could happen over night in the first year, but its just not a given as it has been with some players in the past.
Got a full leaked schedule
It’s either:
Titans week 5 or Jests week 7 for fest
I bet ticks vs jests will be more expensive
Anyone have any early thoughts
Week 5 Titans – Jets game will be a zoo, and harder to get tickets for
Usually its based off the competition level, id say early the Jets tickets are likely cheaper since the Jets are coming off a big ole suck fest season, Titans almost won their division. Closer to game time if the Jets are playing well it will probably flip because of the rivalry and all the damn snow birds who probably are still Jets fans living near Miami.
usually but not the jests in Miami
those will usuaully be more than the average game no matter how shitty they are. LOL
You are spot on that it would have to be one of those two if that is right. Only other one that might be possible is week 9 if we want to turn to a night game. Week 13, 14 and 17 get into the holidays. You are right the Jets will be more pricey, but might depend on when people want to come down as far as schedule.
I think the biggest concern for the diluted sample was what they said at the end of the article. If its considered a positive result, then the question is, what classification do they put on him for this being his first violation. Do they assume performance enhancing or illegal substance?
It could mean that the he might have to miss games, or it could just mean he will be tested regularly but not really have to miss anything, just dependent on what they classified it as
D, I think Howard is the next dynamic TE in the NFL for years to come. If you are drafting top 10 take him or you’re nuts. I would probably put him top 5 on my board.
I mean i feel the same, but i doubt very seriously it happens. People just dont see TE as a top 5 position pick. Like OG, i dont know how good an OG would have to be to be taken top 5, i think they would damn near have to a magic aura that blew the whole DL off the ball to see an OG taken top 5.
Probably will be a lot nicer experience though to be among the Titans fans than having to listen to the Jets fans bullshit and J e t s chant over and over.
There are former players who have estimated that the percentage of NFL players who smoke weed is as high as 60-80%…not just Ricky Williams either. The NFL, coaches, and teams know these guys get high all the time.
Actually most of those votes were placed by Ricky Williams, due to him being so high he forgot he had already submitted his response and just kept re-sending.
Least one ex-NFL players says you are making that up.
Last time we played the Titans on a Fest date, we got shellacked 41-3, or something to that effect.
Should be an interesting game, both teams are similarly designed. Should be a slugout
Yeah, we better draft some LB’s who can tackle, and CB’s and S’s too!
Maybe they will one day have the Draft in Miami and the fest could be attending the draft with how much importance we seem to place on it here lol.
Maybe some day, but how about you just come down this year? Nothing like the Fest my friend.
I’m not sure what to think of Foster’s current situation. He’s certainly not an Aaron Hernandez, a Pacman Jones, or a Rolando McClain. Well… at least not yet (he hasn’t received his first MILLION $$$)… but let’s not go there until it’s warranted (it is NOT warranted at the moment).
A diluted urine sample doesn’t necessarily equate guilt of recreational or PEDs, but it does raise questions and flags. And this on the heels of Foster being sent home from the Combine for his fiasco with a Combine employee, it certainly doesn’t look good.
The diluted sample automatically places Foster in the NFL’s drug program (rightfully or wrongfully), so he’ll be monitored frequently. Some teams are going to look at that and balk at taking him early, simply due to the fact that he has a higher chance of getting caught for abuse than his peers, due to frequent monitoring.
The other side of that is if he has nothing to hide, nobody has anything to worry about… his reputation (Nick Saban’s word will go FAR here) could save him from a Draft day free-fall.
If I’m ANY of the 32 NFL GMs, I’m now working overtime in doing due diligence to get this vetted properly. I wanna talk to his Pop-Warner coaches, his high school coaches, community leaders, his pastor (if he has one), past employers, and anything else legal under the sun to get the lowdown on Foster… we’re talking about a multi-million dollar investment here.
IF Foster can be vetted in a positive fashion, I’d have NO problem taking him @ R1P22 if we so wish. If he can NOT be vetted in a positive fashion, buyer beware… and I would not be interested in him until day 3 of the Draft, if at all, contingent on what I’ve learned about Foster with only a week to go.
One thing’s for sure… next Thursday just got even more interesting for ALL 32 teams and their fans. I hope Tannenbaum and Hickey are already on this matter as I type right now.
Was that a joke at the end?
LOL
I hope Tannenbaum and his Hickey on his conicky are already on this matter as I type right now. There I fixed it. He might like it swelled up though.
Well we have one loss on the schedule already, Thursday week 8 at Baltimore. We never win on the road on Thursday. Why our FO doesn’t bitch about playing it on the road for like 5 out of the last 6 years…
The only favors they gave us was bye after MNF, then @NE after the bye.
yeah that is one of the uglier games for us before the BYE
I don’t think its a bad schedule overall though
Steve
M13 thinks Tannenbaum has a hickey on his neck right now, that’s all
That’s not where he put it
Ah, $#!T!!! NOW I get it!!!
MY BAD!!! GRIER, not Hickey! *PALM TO HEAD*
😆
😳
Yeah, the Silver Fox has left for greener pastures, even if he didn’t want to. 🙂
LONG day at work, what can I say?!! LOL
*Now writing GRIER 1,000x to compensate for mental lapse*
M13 is attacking stuffed animals as we speak. No neck is untouched. It’s a Hickalapalooza!!!! LOL
😆
M
Say we don’t find out with any certainty about Foster either way before the draft, and he slips to #22, do you hope we take him?
Yes, unless Howard or Njoku are still there.
I don’t think we make the playoffs last year, if we hadn’t gotten Tunsil.
Sometimes you have to take a chance, but you don’t trade up and take a chance.
GREAT question. I’m not sure, Brother. This red flag should be thoroughly investigated before making an ‘uninformed’ decision regarding a soon-to-be millionaire. So if nobody can find out with certainty about Foster with a week to go, I’d predict a slide down the boards for him.
I’ll go with Takkarist McKinley over Foster if Foster can’t be properly and positively vetted.
I’d hope that Foster would be there for us in the 2nd under your scenario.
I still need to see where other teams play us, to like or dislike the schedule. I don’t like playing several teams after they have extended time off, like playing the Cheats or KC (that we were rumored to have been playing in week 2) in week 2 after they played the previous Thursday.
LOL at MF13 pulling a boner on Hickey talk.
It HAPPENS!!! LIFE IS REAL!!!
😆
I can’t believe I funked that up EITHER!!!
Steve
There is a difference with Tunsil and Foster. Like Tim pointed out, the gas mask video was 2 years ago, all this stuff with Foster is in the current time. That’s pretty big.
I think the uncertainty in such a short amount of time is what is concerning at this point. Foster’s reputation is now either going to make him sink or float.
We can either be a dollar-foolish or a Pennywise… “WE ALL FLOAT!!!”
😉
Combine fuck ups are not good unless you’re Lawrence Taylor and Foster is not that type of player. Let’s be realistic. He’s a solid LB prospect, not a game changer.
That wasn’t the point Mike. The point was taking a chance on a player (not a specific one) that if he works out may take you to the next level, but if he doesn’t work out doesn’t take you down a level, then why not take the chance.
Or maybe I should’ve just said is the risk worth the reward 😛
M
Yeah, it’s a tough situation. I would think Foster would be gone by a team with a genuine need by #10 if Foster was in the clear, so if he slips to #22, it would be a very difficult decision to grab him there. If either Haason Reddick or Jarrad Davis was there, I’d think I’d take either of them
LOVE Reddick, “like” Jarrad. And you are EXACTLY correct… it’s a tough situation there with Reuben Foster.
M – That should be in the theaters soon, right?
September 8th is what I’m hearing. CAN’T WAIT!!!
Yeah, me too!
Tim Knight says:
April 20, 2017 at 8:10 pm
Combine fuck ups are not good unless you’re Lawrence Taylor and Foster is not that type of player. Let’s be realistic. He’s a solid LB prospect, not a game changer.
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To be realistic (and to be true to YOUR words), we really don’t know who might become the next All-Pro in this Draft. Heck, it could be a 5th or 6th Rounder (again, being true to YOU and your words… which is RIGHT!).
You and I and 99.9999% of the NFL don’t really know what they’re getting in these youngsters. As such, I would not be as eager as you are to write-off Reuben Foster. Life is like a box of chocolates, man…
Did you turn your back on us and wiggle your tail feather? LOL
I don’t view any LB in this draft as a sure thing. DE/OLB vs. these read and re-act types. I don’t see special anywhere. It’s a crap shoot and find the right player.
Steve
Well, it certainly might be worth the risk if he is clean, and he plays great for us. If he’s suspended for a year, and then comes into training camp fat and lethargic next training camp, they’ll burn down Hard Rock. Especially with the bad, no awful memory of Dion FF still burning the back of our minds.
That’s the question the team has to answer, is Foster that much better than the next guy, that he’s worth the risk? I don’t know the answer, but if he is…
10/22 is our only home sunday game in october against stej
10/8 Titans
Oh
New Poll is up
pick a fest date!
don’t vote if you aint gonna go
Can we yell obscenities for no reason, just asking?
I’d be fine with either game really. Just thinking it may be harder to gets tickets when we play the Jets
Stej game would be fun for talkin shit
Another Thursday game on the road
F’n Carolina game is a Monday. I was thinking about going to that one dammit
Sunday night actually
Carolina?
I see it as a Monday nighter 11/13
pathers are mnf
Oakland is sunday night
Baltimore
Oakland
Carolina
Bye
Patsies
Denver
Patsies
That’s a gauntlet
that’s the tough part of the schedule
but early part is not so bad
Say we go 3-3 there we need to be 8-2 in the rest
3 of those 6 are prime time games
Why is that part tough, we already won 2 of them 😛