Vincent Taylor #53 – RD 6, Pick 194


The Dolphins doubled up on defensive tackles in RD 6, and overall to that point, spent 5 of 6 picks on the defensive side of the ball.  While Davon Godchaux is more of a slippery, elusive DT, Taylor is more of a power penetrator with a good strong burst.  Taylor had some good production at Oklahoma State.  He started 34 games over his 3 years at Okl. St., and his last season, his Junior season, Taylor racked up 51 tackles (31 solo), 13 TFL, 7.5 sacks, 1 PD, 2 FF’s and 1 FR.  Pretty solid season.

Taylor is not ideally built for a DT, he is big in his upper body, but too thin and narrow in his lower body.  He was projected by Lance Zierlein to go RD 6-7, and that’s exactly where he landed.  He’s not going to be expected at this point to be anything more than a guy in the rotation, providing he makes the team.  He does have some good upper body strength, but a lack of general flexibility and lower body girth and power may hinder his chances.  He has a shot to make the team, but he has some competition, and can also land on the PS, if he doesn’t make the 53.

GO DOLPHINS!  Zero in!

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448 Responses to Vincent Taylor #53 – RD 6, Pick 194

  1. Phindog says:

    What’s happening Peoples ?

    • Mike E. says:

      Hey Doggie! Just sitting here at my desk in the early part of a 13 hour work day. What’s going in beautiful Cali?

  2. Phindog says:

    Upper 80’s pushing into the 90’s through next Weds. Sitting here at my desk but screw the 13 hour work day !! I haven’t done that since Angel Stadium days.

  3. herdfan says:

    My decision to come to the fest just got more complicated. I have to go to a conference in Nashville the week after. Trying to figure out the logistics of everything. I’d have to fly to Nashville Monday after the game instead of home, pack for two trips and bring all my stuff for the week in Nashville to Miami with me. #firstworldproblems

    • Mike E. says:

      I think you’re off to Mexico with Rock and his brother, until proven otherwise. lol

      You can do it. You’ll have a great time at the Fest, you have my word on it, whatever that’s worth.

    • Phindog says:

      You will have a Great Time and everyone would love to finally meet you !!

    • stangerx says:

      LOL at #firstworldproblems. Don’t let the bigger bag keep you away though……that part at least. 🙂

  4. Tim Knight says:

    Good write Mike. You’re right about Taylor. He’s a guy the team will likely want to work with in the weight room to change his body a bit.

  5. stangerx says:

    Guess I am not the only one who as hard as you try….doesn’t like that your ex’s are know some one else’s baggage. And will note there was at least one other reason Dion missed games in the 2016 season. Jordan also weighed 280 when he was signed but the Hawks.
    Pete Carroll Tuesday admitted Jordan had knee surgery since Seattle signed him in April, when team doctors discovered scar tissue material still in his knee following a recovery that kept Jordan out the whole 2016 season. Specifically, the latest surgery came three weeks ago, right before the start of OTAs, Carroll said. But, connecting some dots, it’s probably not too far imagine this same damage was what caused the Dolphins to release Jordan in March following a failed physical.

    • Mike E. says:

      The word “fail” comes up early and often throughout DFF’s career. That’s why he must always be know as DFF.

  6. Mike E. says:

    Doggy – I don’t have that option, and remember, I’m in retail, although I work for an Ophthalmological/Optometric practice, I have to work Saturdays, but Saturday hours aren’t bad, 8-2. So the 2 real nasties @13 hrs, regular 8 hour day, and the 6 on Saturday. Not bad

    • stangerx says:

      I’d take the schedule in a second. Was all for four days at ten hours each….but that is even better other than the Saturday.

  7. jetsssuck says:

    did you guy’s forget a article on our fourth rounder?

    Mike you have it easy on your job,my wife works 60-70 hours a week normally and then when the season comes around she works 7 days a week 12 hour days or more. She has a workplace boyfriend that she likes more than me.

  8. stangerx says:

    Damien Williams called visiting the Pats “weird”….and then talked about Gase. After Gase returned the favor.
    “Me and coach never stopped talking, from the moment we ended our last game until now. We always kept in contact. We always talked. He loved what we are building here. And I love what we are building here. So there was no point in leaving.”
    “That’s the business. It is what it is. You never want to lose your guy. He’s a guy that I really love being around. In the building, at practice, he gives you everything he has. And on game days if it’s possible to take it to another level, that’s what he does. And to lose a guy like that would be tough for me, because he energizes so many people on offense, defense and special teams that he impacts.”

  9. Mike E. says:


    It’s a running joke between jetssuck and me, the 4th we lost for the Leonte Carroo trade last year.

  10. D says:

    I have been looking at a few different formations that have the characteristic of a wide 9, but they are a little different, in fact im pretty sure our “Wide 9” last year was more what some teams (Seattle specifically) called the Leo, which is an 4-3 Under or Over formation with a hybrid LB/DE lined up wide (Leo), and could be had on the ground or standing up, you wind up with a hybrid 4-3, 3-4, which could look a lot like a 5-2 or 5-3 in some lineups. The DT’s (usually 3, and one is a DE/DT hybrid) in Under would be a 4 technique 2 gap DT, a 2 gap 1 technique DT/NT, and a 3 Technique 1 gap DT. Leo to the 3 tech DT side. Over would be similar for the DT’s, and only real difference is you have the DE/DT play 6 technique 2 gap on the 3 tech’s side, and the Leo would be on the 1 tech DT’s. The nickle for this formation is something called “bear”, or double eagle, and there are basically two leo’s, both could have pass rushing assignments, both could drop into coverage, or it could be an either or.

    I could easily see this being a more common formation for us. Hayes/Branch can man the role of the hybrid DE/DL, Phillips as the DT/NT hybrid, Suh as the primarily 3 technique DT, which is his strength. Wake, Harris, or Alonzo in the Leo role. Timmons primarily as the MLB thumper, ie the Wagner role. Alonzo as primary Will, but occasionally as Leo, Wake and Hayes as Leo’s.

    Jones is good in both coverage and run support, he could be the deep or shallow safety, or could be flip flopped. Im still not sure who is going to play Sam role, but actually the way this defense is designed, Misi would be a decent one, Hull too. Id rather have Hewitt as backup Will/Leo. There is a lot of cover 1 in this formation, so we would have to be pretty certain of at least one of our CB’s being able to lock down a guy.

    Benefit of this one is that the nickle formation would have a lot of Harris and Wake on the field at the same time, and still hide the way they would be used, ie lined up as twin DE’s, having both of them out there likely would be a give away as a pass rush formation, whereas having them as “LB’s” you wouldn’t know for sure and coming from wide lineup, its be almost impossible to stop both without holding back your TE and RB as blockers.

    Our team is definitely set up to do this, and i saw a little bit of that last year as well, with Alonzo and Hewitt lined up as Leo a few times. I think because of our CB’s and S’s last year, though we ran it out o cover 2, which the way this is designed is a bad idea, and would be exactly why we got destroyed in the middle of the field against some of the teams.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Good stuff. The idea is to spread the OL wide so double teams are difficult and to force teams to keep a TE or RB or both to stay in because there are too many open gaps. You have to have the talent to play this way and like you said I think we do.

  11. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 15, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    The word “fail” comes up early and often throughout DFF’s career. That’s why he must always be know as DFF.
    Dion Fail Face?

    • stangerx says:

      Was wondering about that one myself……but didn’t like to act like I was the slow kid in school if it was obvious to others.

      • Mike E. says:

        Dion Fail Face fits too, but not as well as Dion Fuck Face. That just sounds so right

      • Mike E. says:

        I was referring to all the drug tests he failed, as well as physicals while he was here. One fail after another.

  12. jetsssuck says:

    stangerx says:
    June 15, 2017 at 2:14 pm
    JS — any chance we get you out for the night before the Fest again…..that would be cool. Your wife would be an awesome bring. Heck you can invite the workplace BF.
    I don’t know what my schedule is from hour to hour now a days but it would be fun since I don’t get to have fun lately with all these kids here going from room to room leaving the lights on without turning the lights off.These little FCKErs leave on the lights I think on purpose to piss me off. They think money grows on trees.

    • stangerx says:

      JS — you sound just like my grandfather, but can guarantee that all the lights, whatever you eat and drink that night come just cause we all want to see you there. Just like Hollywood stars get comped.

      • jetsssuck says:

        I know I raised my kids when leaving a room to turn off the lights but these grand kids are out of line even when I told them 100’s of times to turn off the lights. I do know that august 15 I’m having my nose surgery 1 of 3 for the reconstruction so it probably is a no go since I have to have 3 surgeries. The first surgery involves a flap taken from the forehead and placed on the nasal upwards to the forehead. Things are going to be ugly until the final surgery. I lost half of my nose from the fall in the bathroom at cleveland clinic when I was taken there for 4 weeks. The VA hospital in Miami is doing the surgery.I really don’t have confidence in private hospitals after the stay at the cleveland clinic.

      • stangerx says:

        All I can say on the nose surgery is my best of luck. Sounds harsh. Be nice to your grandkids though….not like electric costs that much each month when we are talking this or that light on. My wife likes to keep the place at 70 in August, but just like your loved ones — she’s worth it.

  13. Tim Knight says:

    D, Timmons is also a good blitzer so there will be times when he shoots one of those gaps for instant pressure forcing a quick throw, a hit and/or a sack.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Also that’s why we drafted McMillan. He’s another guy who can fill those gaps or shoot them.

      So you have Timmons and McMillan, Alonso being in the same defense for the first time in back to back years, young guys like Hewitt and Hull in their 2nd year in the defense and Misi as a physical presence around the LOS. We’ve got some mix and match options at LB and then add a guy like Harris who besides being a DE he can also be that edge OLB standing – we can employ so many formations. I’ve heard we might use him inside at times as well because of his quick step to shoot a gap.

  14. Mike E. says:

    “Misi as a physical presence around the LOS”. Do you mean from the sidelines? lol

    • Tim Knight says:

      Trying to stay positive. LOL

      Here’s an example of a wide 9 we ran last year early in the year. Now just replace some players in different roles.

      • Mike E. says:

        LOL – Nice to have Reshad in there. We’re better when he’s in there, despite the fact we won without him.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah no doubt Reshad brings another element to our defense. Our roster on defense is better and deeper than it was last year. If we stay healthy, we may not be a great defense, but we should definitely be better and hopefully more opportunistic.

        The philosophy of this team lead by Gase is control the ball more, score a lot and attack on defense never allowing opponents to get comfortable. Both sides of the ball needs to be better this year but we saw flashes of it last year.

  15. Mike E. says:


    I’d sacrifice those 200 + yard games by Ajayi for amore even distribution during the seasons, like 100 + every game. I also realize that w/o those big games, we weren’t going to win a few of those. I think our offense should be better this year, especially with Thomas, and Fasano in there blocking. Just hope Pouncey is able to play at a high level, or things could get ugly. Defense has to be better with the personnel we added, especially Timmons, and of course drafting Harris, Raekwon and Tank, and maybe even Godchaux.

    • Tim Knight says:

      How about a few 200 yard games and 6 or 7 100 yard games? 🙂

      I’d like to see us be a team that rushes for 150 and passes for 250, has more time of possession, scores in the top 10 in the league and makes things happen on defense even if not the best ranked yardage defense. Shorten the game on offense and make more game changing plays on defense. That’s the goal.

      • Mike E. says:

        OK, you sold me! I think most people here know, but we were really uneven rushing the ball last year. 11 of his 15 were less than 80 yards, yet he had 1272 yards rushing, almost half of that coming in 3 games

      • Tim Knight says:

        No doubt. It was a season for everyone to learn about themselves type season. We had no idea Ajayi could be that good. Now we do. This org believes in building on what we already know is good. Let’s not keep churning every year which is what we’ve done for quite some time. Build a team based around the talent we have and add to it. This offseason felt like that. We’ll see if ti works out that way. I thought the Mets were headed that way too. If you can’t keep your best players on the field it’s gonna be tough to succeed.

  16. Mike E. says:

    Mets are a M*A*S*H unit

  17. mf13ss says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 15, 2017 at 7:37 pm
    OK, you sold me! I think most people here know, but we were really uneven rushing the ball last year. 11 of his 15 were less than 80 yards, yet he had 1272 yards rushing, almost half of that coming in 3 games
    You are right about an uneven Ajayi rushing attack, Mike E: Ajayi killed it in the games that Mike Pouncey started. IMO, it’s VERY important that Pouncey gets healthy enough for game 1 and stays relatively healthy through all 16 games.

    The chances of that would seem to be slim, but we shall see. Many of us (*raises hand*) wanted to draft a contingency plan for Pouncey this year for when he goes down YET AGAIN. And it’s not that Pouncey sucks at all… he’s EXCELLENT when healthy.

    It certainly seems as though our running prowess is directly correlated to a healthy Pouncey… for that is when Ajayi resembles BEAST MODE. Let’s hope Nick Mangold is staying in shape and solely wanting to play for the man that drafted him (Mike Tannenbaum) if/when Pouncey goes down again.

    But even if we sign Mangold in this emergency situation, he’s no long-term answer at the Center position. We’re putting MUCH faith (perhaps too much?) in Pouncey to get and then stay healthy. JMO. Prediction: we’ll be drafting a Center in ’18.

    • mf13ss says:

      PS: I’m ROOTING for Pouncey’s return to permanent health. Our O-Line is much, much better with him than without him… and I don’t think he’ll be easily replaced, as evidenced over the last several years when he went down.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Part of the problem was Steen got banged up too – ankle and rotator cuff injuries. Urbik was our 3rd center.

      • mf13ss says:

        That was definitely part of the problem, Tim. I still think we could have done better in addressing these problems.

  18. CavalierKong says:

    I also would have loved to see a plan for life without Pouncey that didn’t involve Steen or Urbik starting a bunch of games. I think this whole, not practice Pouncey and keep him healthy plan is going to backfire twice. I doubt he stays healthy, and with less practice, I worry about his effectiveness. Communication and cohesiveness are the two biggest components of excellent lineplay. Harder to build those if you don’t practice. I think if Pouncey stays healthy, our line plays well, and our offense could be top 5. If he goes down, and we play most of the season with Urbik and/or Steen…who knows.

    • mf13ss says:


      That our collective O-Line won’t be developing the needed ‘gel-time’ WITH Pouncey through TC and possibly the preseason is concerning to me as well, Cav Kong. Excellent point.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Actually Pouncey’s backups are getting a ton of work healthy at this time. It’s about guys staying healthy. We were riddled with injuries last year all across the roster. Maybe we get one of those charmed seasons. 🙂

    • Tim Knight says:

      Again Steen got hurt too. You could bring in anyone and if they go down, how deep can any team go at any position? I think our depth is solid, durability across the board is what matters.

      • mf13ss says:

        I hear ya and agree… but beware rotator cuff injuries. I like Steen, but I’m not sure he’s the answer to replace Pouncey as a starter. Decent backup? Perhaps.

  19. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 15, 2017 at 9:02 pm
    Actually Pouncey’s backups are getting a ton of work healthy at this time. It’s about guys staying healthy. We were riddled with injuries last year all across the roster. Maybe we get one of those charmed seasons. 🙂 🙂
    I see you, Tim! ALWAYS playing the role of ‘Debbie Downer’! LOL/JK 😀 😉

    That a very good point you bring up, here. When the backups get extensive reps, there’s a very good chance that their game steps up and they grow.

    • Tim Knight says:

      You know what it comes down to is talent. Look at our roster. There is plenty of it. Are they all there weeks 14-16 and beyond? This team can be very good.

      • mf13ss says:

        I’m 100% with ya on the talent aspect as well. I HOPE that Steen and Urbik (as Cav Kong cited above) have that talent… but I’m not sure. They’re certainly getting major reps in Pouncey’s absence, but do they truly possess the talent? That’s what we’re going to find out, sooner or later, and if/when Pouncey goes down again.

        But as you stated, these major reps are definitely going to benefit Pouncey’s backups.

  20. Rockphin says:

    11 of his 15 were less than 80 yards, yet he had 1272 yards rushing, almost half of that coming in 3 games

    A THIRD of that came against the Bills. 🙂

  21. Tim Knight says:

    M13, where do you find great backup centers 2 and 3 deep? We can’t use major resources for that now. If Pouncey breaks down again he’s likely done. But no guarantee some rook center is going to be the answer either. Wasn’t a good year for OL.

    • mf13ss says:

      I didn’t want to draft a “backup” Center, but rather, Pouncey’s eventual replacement… especially if the draftee could start at Guard (ie: POSITIONAL VERSATILITY… and see Pat Elflein) for us this year as a rook, allowing Pouncey a chance to recover.

      It’s all good and I’m not upset about the matter… I just think we’ve put too much faith in Pouncey’s recovery. Hopefully, all will fall in place.

      Methinks this could be the ONLY flaw in our Offensive philosophy… to put SO much trust in Pouncey’s recovery. Aside from that, I think we’re looking VERY GOOD, Bro!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Right now it seems that it’s Urbik, Steen, Larsen. It could be worse. I think the coaches want Steen and Larsen to compete at guard. But they have center depth here.

  22. Rockphin says:

    been catching up on the earlier posts, to wit:

    I was going to say that the Pouncey’s back ups are getting plenty of practice and “Jelling” with the other OL so if they can stay healthy perhaps the dropoff wont be catastrophic If Pouncey stays healthy and we don’t have to use the back up who wins then all the better. It’s not like Pouncey has been able to “gel” with any other guards over the past few years. LOL

    Sucks for DFF.

    I only got through 1/2 the wide 9 post before my eyes fatigued and I had to take a nap. (J/K but I did go and smoke a cigarette in the middle of reading it.)

    I am so disappointed that my little Brothers 40th birthday conflicts with the Fest. I should have voted for the fricken Titans game! SMH

    I AM NOT ditching the Fest because Herd is coming! LOL I would actually really like to hang out with her, then she would love me afterward 😉 How could she not?

    The wide nine spreads out the Oline to make the gaps larger and double teams against the D more difficult, but it depends soooo much on the LB play to fill those giant holes and our personnel were not up to it last year.

    • Rockphin says:

      thus the running yards we gave up.

    • Tim Knight says:

      LB looks a lot better right now than last year. No Timmons or McMillan or even Harris as a hybrid Joker/Elephant/Rover. He’s not a pure DE. He’s Wake in the making but Wake started off as a hybrid first too. 🙂

  23. CavalierKong says:

    I understand we could only fill so many holes in one offseason, and it’s about matching resources to need. We can sit here all day and talk ifs. My statement is pretty simple though. I personally would have liked to seen some resources spent at center, rather than go in with a strong possibility of playing a backup for significant time. Maybe we get lucky and Pouncey plays most of the year, and is effective. Personally, I think it’s highly likely it will be an issue all year. Either way, it’ll surely get addressed next year. If Urbik or Steen suddenly develop into a starter, then problem solved.

    This doesn’t mean I don’t like what we’ve done this offseason. I think we’re definitely moving in the right direction, and am excited for the new season. It’s amazing what a change Gase has made in a year and an offseason.

  24. jetsssuck says:

    stangerx says:
    June 15, 2017 at 6:23 pm
    Be nice to your grandkids though….not like electric costs that much each month when we are talking this or that light on. My wife likes to keep the place at 70 in August, but just like your loved ones — she’s worth it.
    I think your missing the point of me complaining at the kids for not turning off the lights when leaving the room.
    Every saved sometimes adds up to a nickel and so many of them add up to a dime and so on. These kids now a days think they should be given stuff for no reason at all. One finishes their homework before homework time and they think they should be able to leave the study table instead of doing more studying or helping their brothers or sisters with their assignments so their sisters or brothers have to stay at the table till their assignments are done. These kids now a days would fail anatomy if I was their parents because they would think the foot was connected to their ass.

    • stangerx says:

      I completely understand the penny saved is a penny earned thing, but also get the people biotching about the wasteful ways of the next generation are as old as time. My Dad laughed at how cheap his Dad was for using tea bags four times but got on me for not turning out lights. I still look at that as no big deal but just told you how I biotch about my wife for keeping the place chilled during the summer (she’s not my kid but I’d find something to biotch about in terms of them if I did…maybe cell phone charges).

      Am guessing some caveman grandfather was complaining about how the kids these days put an extra branch on the fire before they should.

  25. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 15, 2017 at 4:57 pm

    I was referring to all the drug tests he failed, as well as physicals while he was here. One fail after another.
    I knew what ya were getting at, and i know what DFF was lol, i was being cheeky and offering a new fit for that acronym, as he did fail over and over and over with us, whether it be physically, or drugs, or just poor performance on the field, Dion’s Fail Face, is the most common facial expression we ever saw from him.

  26. Tim Knight says:

    It’s pretty cool when you think of it that most of our concerns as fans is now about depth at a few positions. That means we’re pretty content with a lot of the talent on this team. 🙂

    • Mike E. says:

      It’s true, there’s not a lot to look at that you don’t like. The offense should be really good as long as everyone stays healthy, and it looks like we have good WR depth. TE is a little thin, and the O-line maybe thinner, but otherwise, you have to like what you see

      • Mike E. says:

        As Mets fans, we know that depth can quickly evaporate. When your pitching rotation was thought to have 7 or 8 starters, and for most of the season, we’ve had to use all 8, and now 2 of them are out long term

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      well as we know from past seasons injuries are the main reason our seasons go south. And if you don’t have depth then you don’t have a chance.

      • stangerx says:

        Yep — and nice thing about how Gase is doing depth seems to also offer the chance for extra pieces to game plan with on game day at certain positions. Like all the units on D and even at WR or RB.

  27. Rockphin says:

    “adds up to a nickel and so many of them add up to a dime and so on.”

    I’ll help you out with the math there. TWO the answer is TWO. LOL, JBB

  28. BoulderPhinfan says:

    Do you know if that’s what they were doing in the minicamp with tunsil hurt? moving james to LT?

    • Mike E. says:

      I don’t know Boulder, and I’m just speculating that if it were a lo9ng term injury, not just a game or two.

  29. D says:

    Our DL has a ton of position flexibility. When i was looking at that other possible wide 9 type formation, i could see how Suh pretty much for fill any of the DL spots, Phillips probably 2, Wake and Harris both a couple positions they could do. Hayes and Branch would be playing to their strengths there, and Hayes might also be flexible enough for one of the other spots. Most the LB’s have position flexibility, though our backups wouldn’t be as flexible, they would sub out more specifically for certain players on certain plays If McMillian gets up to speed he probably has the most flexibility out of all of them. Our secondary would have to be better, but really only one of the boundary guys would have to really step up, and way things are sounding with Howard he could hold down one side, which is all we would need to mke that scheme work really well.

    If we went with that Leo package, we would be scheming to both get Suh and Phillips chances to fuck shit up but if Phillips is on more than off, the two of them would make it almost impossible to stop a delayed Safety and LB blitzes fromt he middle. We’d probably get 5-6 sacks from Timmons and Jones. On top of that, packages that Harris and Wake on the field at the same time, they would almost 100% guarantee a single really unprepared blocker (TE) against one of those two.

  30. Rockphin says:

    Does anyone know why Tunsil sat out the mini camp? “Tunsilitis”? did he slip getting out of the shower?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Hamstring though he did participate at the end of OTAs on a limited basis.

    • D says:

      Gase said it wasnt serious. Gase just seems like a guy who trusts his players preparedness as far as their knowing their assignments and knowing the playbook and for those guys he has trust in, if they are in this kind of situation where its a minor injury, he just gives them adequate heal time.

      • D says:

        Its why he isnt sweating the fact that Pouncey isnt on the field already. Some guys you have to worry about , some ya don’t. Some could sit out until the first snap of the season or possible a few games into and still not miss a beat when they finally got it. Gotta judge if you should be worried, by the player. I think id be really worried if it was Larsen, Asiata, etc. Asiata, because he is a rookie and probably needs every minute/second he can get out there, and Larsen becase he is transitioning to our new system and might be relied on to hit the ground running.

  31. D says:

    Yeah Tim, i still feel our LB depth is limited, not that we dont have solid players as depth players but the dont have flexibility to sub them in and for uptempo situations be able to shift them around. Hewitt does to some extent, Hull to even lesser extent, Misi is probably as flexible as Hewitt but on the opposite side (ie Hewitt as WLB with some SLB ability, and Misi as a SLB with some MLB ability). Hull seems pretty limited to being a MLB. I dont know about some of these other guys fighting for backup spots, but i have a feeling position flexibility will heavily factor in with those guys in that group, just so when they sub out for someone they can maintain the defensive shifting necessary for a series or so.

    Im pretty certain too if they are confidant in Howard being able to lock down any/most receivers they will probably have him shadow the primary receiver, and run out of cover 1 with Allen helping out over the top with the other boundary CB. If they they get Lippett or Maxwell to respond stepping up their game to a similar level they wouldn’t even have to worry about moving someone around and they could just give support to whichever side the primary receiver is on, which would be better overall. Cover 1 would be best for us so we could utilize Jones to his best, which is like a Swiss army knife, letting him confuse the offense by not knowing if he might play man, drop into a zone, blitz, or just spy, etc. It would make it very hard to prepare for him if he wasn’t ever lining up in cover two, or at least we were more predominantly running cover 1.

  32. Mike E. says:

    Meant to mention earlier, but forgot . . . Former #2 pick 1st RD, Greg Robinson, was traded by the Rams to the Lions for a 2018 6th RD pick. I thought he was going to be a beast. He was a great run blocker, who apparently couldn’t figure out how to pass block, and then lost confidence completely.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Wow! Just another example of the draft being a crap shoot. Ya never know.

      • Mike E. says:

        Absolutely. Had all the right physical attributes, just couldn’t grasp how to pass protect

      • Tim Knight says:

        The Rams really sucked running the ball last year too. I have Gurley on my FF team and he was nothing special last season. Probably had a lot to do with their QB situation and passing game though.

  33. Mike E. says:


    Yeah, like I said earlier, he just lost confidence. Run blocking is all about confidence. If you’re feeling down and tentative, you’re not going to be a dominant run blocker. He had those issues in college, they just thought he’d get better. Sometimes they don’t.

  34. Mike E. says:

    Man, we didn’t pick till RD 3 in that draft, C Seth McKinney. McMike was a steal in RD 4 though

  35. Tim Knight says:

    Thanks Phish, that’s him. Wow really hard name to remember. I guess if his name was Gorgonzola Giovanni who could forget that. LOL

  36. Mike E. says:

    Gorgonzola Giovanni was close though, gotta admit

  37. D says:

    Remember that high pick LT the Bills drafted years ago who went top 5 and was basically not even worthy of starting? I can’t remember his name.
    Tim, despite popular opinion there are teams with worst draft patterns. Bills last few OL draftees 3rd round OG John Miller, 2nd Round OT Cyrus Kuondjio, 5th round OG Cyril Richardson, 7th round OT Sentrel Henderson. Only Cordy Glenn and Andy Levitre has really worked out for them and you can go WAY back with only those two being the only decent to good OL picks.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Ha! Their best OL is our despicable bully who couldn’t possibly be welcome on any NFL team. What a witch hunt that was.

      • D says:

        I mean i think the dude is a tool but he is a good player, as OG’s go he is the kind i normally like just a big old nasty spirited brute force fatty.

  38. D says:

    I dunno that 87 draft had Harbaugh in it, do you include his coaching accomplishments? 🙂 Cornelius Bennett was also a pretty good selectin in that draft, probably not Rod Woodson good though, oh and Vinny T, if you just use the “QB’s are more important than other players” weighting system, he might be as good… right? 🙂 lol JK, it doesnt hurt that if you search for 87 draft most of the tistes list the HOF inductees from each class, and there is only one inductee from that class so yeah, scanning down that list, pretty easy to pick out the best guy lol

  39. D says:

    Rams were playing Robinson out of position for several years, intentionally not because he sucked at LT and couldn’t win the job. I mean i know we did same with Tunsil and it worked out as best we can tell, but i just cant see doing that with a 1st round pick, seems like asking for trouble,

    • D says:

      LG then RT, so i guess they did try him at OT. I never liked the guy personally, i wasnt one of the ones pulling for us to get him or sad we didnt have a shot at him. I wanted James the whole way.

  40. D says:

    Mike, right after Matzahball Horowitz, easily the best name ever in a NFL draft.

  41. Tim Knight says:

    D, as far as LB in the Wide 9, not counting the Joker edge OLB at times, all 3 LBs play in between the ends (in the box) so I don’t really think it’s a big deal to line up anywhere for any of our LBs. In traditional 4-3 formations it’s different. That’s when I think we’ll see more definitive positions. The Wide 9 is an aggressive style of defense where a traditional 4-3 could be more vanilla keep everything in front of you type system.

    • D says:

      I was more talking about the wide 9 i was talking about, and it would make our LB’s more specific for the function of that scheme. The formation you showed earlier, yeah the LB’s are ok for that, although i dont think Hull or Misi, and i doubt Timmons is at his best in coverage. Hewitt also not great at it. He is athletic enough but didnt show good instincts for it.

      • D says:

        I really think though with the guys we brought in, that Leo formation, is a much better fit for us. I really like that Bear nickle package too, it would deadly as hell with both Wake and Harris in there.

  42. D says:

    Mike you know another player im just never going to forget, Gabe Jackson….. if i remember correctly my mock that year was James, Dante Moncrief, and Jackson. We did wind up going OL, WR, OL, and while i might still think i wish we had gotten Jackson, we did wind up with a making the right choice at receiver and we would have had to take Jackson there to have gotten him anyways.

  43. pheloniusphish says:

    Tim – The name Mike Williams is mildly cursed in the NFL. It has about a 50% bust rate. I would change my name.

  44. Tim Knight says:

    D, I think having Jones back, we’re going to center some stuff around what he can do in the back end like you said. I’m not concerned where the LBs lineup as long as we don’t lose half of them by midseason.

    Harris, Jones and Tiimmons can change this defense. I also think Hayes is an under the radar guy. Our secondary is very young at corner but we’ve been rebuilding that the last 3 years even under Hickey – Delmas, McCain and Lippett, Grier – Maxwell, Abdul-Quddus, Howard, Lucas, Allen, McDonald, Tankersley.

  45. jetsssuck says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 16, 2017 at 4:46 pm
    Ricky Williams trade was part of that.
    Speaking of Ricky Williams…He is at the cannabis convention this week promoting it’s good. They showed him on sportscenter local tv broadcast. He seems at peace with himself and is not afraid to talk in front of crowds. I’m glad he has come out of his shell and is enjoying life as it is meant to be. Cannabis is known to help diabetics who have nerve pain. Tell your doctors jetssuck sent you and you want a prescription.

  46. Mike E. says:

    D – Definitely wont forget Gabe Jackson either. Funny how Asiata is a similarly sized player, but certainly not as polished as Gabe was.

  47. naplesfan2010 says:

    Since we’re in the doldrums for a few weeks, i thought of posing a question here that came up in another blog i read (non-football) (I know, why read about anything but football? right?)

    Anyway, I thought of this place because of our special circumstance known as the Fest,
    which would skew the results here a bit, but many blogs have similar events.

    The question was “who on this blog has ever met someone else on this blog face-to-face live and in person in real life and known they were meeting someone from the blog, exchanged real names and enough conversation to qualify as ‘meeting someone,’ not just ‘attended the same convention’ type stuff?”

    On this blog it might be easier (because of the Fest) to work backwards.
    For example: No one has ever met me. Let’s start with that.
    Has anyone ever met, saaay MF13 or jetssuck or Randy, for example?
    Is anybody else completely unknown?

    • mf13ss says:

      Speaking for me… no, I’ve not met anyone from either blog face-to-face. I’ve got a VERY hectic schedule with all that I do, but I WILL be attending a Fest one day soon. I look forward to meeting the many faces we’ve all communicated with over the years… some for over a decade now!

      I believe that Stanger and jetssuck have met, but I can’t say that for sure.

      • mf13ss says:

        Ocala Howie and Jahndoh made ‘first contact’ with me back in 2006. Possibly a few others who went by a different handle back then, but I’ve ALWAYS been Marinofan13 since day 1.

        It’s been an honor to be a fellow follower of our beloved Phins via blogs for so long, especially being an ‘out of stater’. Up here in PA, most are obviously all about their Stealers* and Eagles.

        To unite with so many fellow fans online is GRAND!!! 🙂

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        A Decade … wow.
        I know I was on that SS blog with you and Omar from the day Sparano was first hired, so it’s odd-feeling to have “known” someone this long without ever meeting.

        I feel like if anyone on here ever meets Tom Brady,
        they will say “Hi Naples, glad to see you back on your feet.”

    • stangerx says:

      Naples — but thing about this place is most people have shared beers. So most different from that other site.

      Not all have been, but most. And a lot of folks flying in from all over the country have made that happen. Not everyone every year, but long as the Fests have been going on…..

      jetssuck has met the crew face-to-face, but not M13, Randy or you yet……talk about three on the Top Ten most wanted list up at the FU post office. 🙂

  48. mf13ss says:


    Yeah, man! Some of us have been in contact with one another for over a decade… albeit never having met face-to-face. I think it’s truly awesome, though it does seem a bit awkward at the same time.

    I’ve spoken via phone with several, texted/emailed with many, but I’ve never once met another blogger face-to-face after all these years.

  49. BoulderPhinfan says:

    The genius of belicheat is that he can plug anyone in the roster in to starting line and get close to the same results. I think Gase has some of that. Injuries happen. Good teams, playoff teams, deal with it better than others.

    • stangerx says:

      And it is more than just about depth Boulder…..there is also game planning about who you got. How many times has the end of the season been when Gronk went down, and then they just find another way? Agree Gase has that in him as well. One year as head coach and he is still in his thirties……..

  50. jetsssuck says:

    mf13ss says:
    June 17, 2017 at 12:37 pm
    I’ve spoken via phone with several, texted/emailed with many, but I’ve never once met another blogger face-to-face after all these years.I believe that Stanger and jetssuck have met, but I can’t say that for sure.——You can’t tell by our writing style we are the same person with two personalities.Everyone on this blog has multiple screen names. It’s amazing no one ever told you this…
    you know they have a app now a days called facetime. All the hippsters are doing it now-a-days. I always thought of you as the tech guru. Just ask a 10 yr kid how to do it. If you have blue tooth the phones look like they are kissing when these kids transfer me the newest good apps. It’s all new era I’m still trying to figure out the directv remote in almost 2 yrs. We decided to leave directv when contract is up in 1.5 months and cut the cord. No more 300 dollar monthly bills to watch basically 10-12 channels. Our Nephew hooked us up with Plex and we have access to hundreds of movies including movies that are still in the movie theatres and shows. Going with air antenna for local channels which I tested and we pick up 70 channels plus we are getting sling $20 dollar plan. In addition to all this entertainment we are getting the latest roku $90 on amazon with over 3600 channels. Roku is giving 2 months free of HBO with purchase.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      good info … i m contemplating going with sling and the airwaves soon myself. Just can’t afford to lose any Dolphins games. I have not investigated Plex.

  51. naplesfan2010 says:

    Who is speaking below?
    “I believe that Stanger and jetssuck have met, but I can’t say that for sure.——You can’t tell by our writing style we are the same person with two personalities.Everyone on this blog has multiple screen names. It’s amazing no one ever told you this…”

    I would be very shocked to think that jetssuck and stanger are the same person. I also do not think anyone currently on here is using two or more screen names. (Unless jetssuck is also Home).

    I know that Tim Knight’s screen name has evolved since 2008, but he’s always only used one at a time that I know of.

    I’ve only ever had the one name myself.

    • stangerx says:

      JS was just funning……or maybe just saying we have something in common. Think can pull out a bunch of witnesses who have seen us both at the same time in the same place. 🙂

    • Tim Knight says:

      My name was coined by M13 when he put together the Mob Madden football team. LOL

      He combined Tim The Enchanter and The Knight Who Says Ni into Tim Knight for the game so I chose to use it from there.

  52. Tim Knight says:

    Naples, I have met Mike E, Ken, Piggy, Stanger, Al, Brian and NJ Phinfan.

  53. Mike E. says:


    I’ve met a lot of people, but no one here has met more than Stanger.

    • stangerx says:

      Only people who been to each Fest are Pig, Son, OD and me, but I got that one Jets game to meet Tim over them. Same time I never met NJ either… think we are tied.

      • stangerx says:

        2nd thought….didn’t Pig meet NJ? He might be the king of the Hill.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes, that’s when I met a few of the guys including NJ for the first time at the bar in NYC I believe in 2010.

  54. jetsssuck says:

    here’s a good site that tells you what air channels you will pivk up

  55. naplesfan2010 says:

    These are fascinating lists. I feel deprived … having never met anyone, but I was wondering who else besides me and MF13 have never met anyone else.

    Anybody ever met Bat, D, Randy, SteveCC, etc.? Has anyone ever met Herdfan?

    • stangerx says:

      Bat is a cool dude… yeah he’s done Fest. All the rest of them are posted on the Wanted list. You talked about coming last year and assume Naples is where you live. Special feeling. And Manitoba will be there from — well — Manitoba.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        There is no chance for me this year, but a slim chance in the Super Bowl Year (2018).

      • stangerx says:

        Whichever Fest and whatever chance to come to it, night before, tailgate and good folks will always be there for you. And not like you can’t buy tickets as you walk into the stadium. So any time you are ready it can be a night before the game move.

  56. jetsssuck says:

    remember the days when we only had 4-5 channels? now one can have thousands available. If I was a career counselor for kids now a days I would tell them this is the field to be in. Look at the credits for each show and you could easily see hundreds for 1 show, now imagine 5-6000 channels of programming 24 hours a day.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      I often wonder how any movie makes money when i see those looonngg credit lists, especially if there’s a lot of special effects. Or maybe those CGI ppl are all like 8th grade nerds making $1000 for some code per flick.

      • jetsssuck says:

        imagine all the advertising dollars spread out among all the different channels 5-6000 plus they have to advertise on the internet. Different world now a days

  57. Krishna says:

    We’re back!!! At least, I hope we are.

    And, I hope we will be welcome at the Fest this year for the NYJ game. Just bought 2 tickets for the game in the end zone, section 330.

    • stangerx says:

      Awesome to see Krishna not just back in the house……but coming to the Fest as well. Hope you haven’t heard about the paddle Son is so fond of for first timers. 🙂

      • Krishna says:

        Just to be clear, we are NOT first timers. I think we were at the second Jahndo (not sure if he is still around, probably in “hopsville”).

      • stangerx says:

        My bad Krishna…….was just was having fun with the thought of Son and a pledge paddle. Big message was glad to see you back and happy you are coming to the Fest.

  58. Krishna says:

    I was very excited we made the playoffs last year, but never expected much after that.

    It seems we may have found a coach/leader who is changing the culture of this football team that has been sorely missed for many, many years.

  59. Tim Knight says:

    Good to see you Krishna! I hope all is well.

  60. Krishna says:

    Thanks, Tim. It has been a interesting two years, but I think things are getting back to “normal”.

  61. Tim Knight says:

    Jason Taylor, preparing for his August induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, told WQAM’s Zach Krantz on Friday that if he wanted to play again, he would play for free in order to play for Dolphins coach Adam Gase.

    “He’s what the Miami Dolphins needed for a long time,” Taylor said, praising the way Gase relates to players.

  62. Krishna says:

    Pretty quiet around here right now, but will check back later.

  63. Krishna says:

    Wife is bugging me to finish planning out this trip…..we have tickets, hotel, and now trying to schedule the first leg of this “anniversary” celebration. She wants me to stop blogging, but I will be back.

  64. CavalierKong says:

    “The question was “who on this blog has ever met someone else on this blog face-to-face live and in person in real life and known they were meeting someone from the blog, exchanged real names and enough conversation to qualify as ‘meeting someone,’ not just ‘attended the same convention’ type stuff?””

    I’ve met just about everyone on the blog face to face. The only people I haven’t met are:

    Tim, Son, Mike E, Pig, Stanger, Randy, M13, Krishna, Naples, Brian in NY, Gilligan, Ken, Markey, Jetssuck, Boulder, Steve, ffr, Bat, Twice The, drg, The Professor, UKfinfan, Rhino, Walker, David, Diggs, The Howells, Wyoming, Howie, Ginger, SB7, Bookman, Rockphin, Gigi, Herd, OD, Maryann, Getterdone, Home, Myth, D, Lou, The Skipper, Joe Mamma, Manitoba, Phindog, Realist, ORob, Jahndoh, Al, Top, Phelonious, and the rest.

    Maybe one day we can all meet and take a tour together.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Thank you very much for that comprehensive roll call!
      We are tied then, as I have never met anyone either.
      I have been to Virginia many times however.

    • Tim Knight says:


    • stangerx says:

      LOL Cav — great memory. Sounds like you might have sat down for drinks with BailBondMIke, Jahn and Omar though. 🙂

      • stangerx says:

        Sorry……take Jahn out of that and insert NJ phin.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Can’t believe I forgot NJ. Also Elephant Rider. But of course they are covered by “and the rest”.

      • stangerx says:

        “And the rest” is what was trying to fill in with your great list. Maybe the collective memory can do it. A big one not there is Cap Stubbs. And TInFin too. And whatever happened to our Aussie friend? Forget his name.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Also MVK13 (I don’t think that is his exact handle, but it’s close).

      • stangerx says:

        TNPhin as well…..heck he had his own blog at one point.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He popped in not too long ago.

      • CavalierKong says:

        sippy cup and the original novel length poster. Also the guy that had a guitar in clouds as his avi. (can’t remember their names)

      • CavalierKong says:

        New Age, Patrick was sippy cup.

      • stangerx says:

        And even not a poster will give a shout out to Cap Randy as well…..Stubb’s buddy who was both a hoot and decided to pose like a playboy centerfold front and center for that one Fest pic. And TIm — you must have more……you were there when Jahn created the world.

      • stangerx says:

        New Age… my memory is bad. And Patrick was a real nice guy, even if will leave at hope he is doing well.

  65. Mike E. says:


    Happy to see you here! Sorry I missed you

  66. naplesfan2010 says:

    ok gotta go scarf down some Mexican food (I’ll be having the Camarones Matanzas) and drink some tequila (a tres morrochos followed by a dos amigos) then it’s off to the Paradise Club for a hot nouveau funk band.

    hasta la vista

  67. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ Patrick and his White Russians.

  68. BailBondMike says:

    Kong, I don’t believe we have met either. lol

  69. wyoming85 says:

  70. BailBondMike says:

    I have only met Rhino who is a really really great man and has a wonderful family. Met him, his wife and daughters in Houston when we played there a couple years ago (disaster of a game). He bought my son and I an amazing dinner and we had great conversation. Very impressive family to say the least. I feel blessed to have met you, Rhino! Hope all is well with your family!

  71. CavalierKong says:

    Krillian was the original novel length post guy I was thinking of earlier.

    • mf13ss says:

      Yessir! If you remember Krillian, you go BACK to nearly a decade ago on the SS, my friend. Krillian was the ‘OG’ (original) of writing in novel-length posts! 🙂

  72. jetsssuck says:

    There you are Mf13 .I was hoping you could help us with cutting the cord questions since you are the expert on this new stuff. Here’s something for ORob–

  73. Mike E. says:

    I’m not positive of exactly when I started blogging with all of you people, but I think it was some time in 2009. Krillian was there, and a bunch of other people too who never made it here. There are so many that have come and gone, but I’ll throw a few names out there you haven’t mentioned, like drg (who a few of us have met), rgs (with a few #’s that follow), We Need Playmakers, CB, Fist Pump, Payaso Del Carajo, and there are probably at least another 10 I just can’t think of at the moment

  74. Mike E. says:

    Happy Father’s Day to all of you dads out there! Enjoy the day with your family, or without, whatever works for you to be happy! lol

  75. Krishna says:

    Also, my best memory of the FEST, the game. NOT, it was so horrible, I believe Russel Wilson did whatever he wanted, Philbin benched Miller (?), THill threw for a few. It was a game to forget.

  76. Krishna says:

    FEST memories: OD, his posse, and his memorabilia, Bat and wife at D&B, Jahndoh-his daughter and wife, David and wife, Piggy, Stanger, Son, Mike E and family, Hulk, (sorry to bring up old wounds, but Chief and son and Ginger-Squaw(?)). Throwing the football around and odorous scents. I still have the pics.

    Also, the Houston-Miami game with Rhino and BailBondMike (who doesn’t remember us) at the Mediterranean (Indian restaurant).

    Fun times putting faces with “avitars”.

    • stangerx says:

      You met OD’s posse? They are real cool. Did OD get you to make the trip to their posh set-up to meet them? Tried many times to get them to join us at our spot, but never worked…..except for Ryan one time.

      • Krishna says:

        I think I met one or two of his friends with him that day, and his wife. I don’t think it was the whole gang.

  77. manitobafinfan says:

    Ah the Fest… Booked flights and hotel yesterday,La Quinta won out again. Sorry Mike and doggie…

    Stanger, will only be the wife and I,others are busy elsewhere.

    • stangerx says:

      La Quinta is part of Fest lore…..even if it can’t match up for stories with just two nights one year at the Ramada. 🙂

      Sorry you won’t be bringing your bud, but his loss. A couple of friends have heard about the Fest and want to come, but tell them “you can come to see me or for the Fest….busy weekend.”

      • manitobafinfan says:

        Am kind of glad Laquinta does not measure up , or shall I say down to the Ramada stories. … Will be another great time I am sure. Looking forward to seeing returnees and some new faces as well as sit kick game by our defense

      • stangerx says:

        Let’s just say your wife is at least happy that you won’t be at the Ramada. But then some of the stories from that will last a lifetime……most of the best ones I have are from situations would never want to be in again. 🙂

  78. manitobafinfan says:

    Shit kick defense. ^

  79. Tim Knight says:

    Happy Father’s Day dudes!

  80. son of a son of a shula says:

    Krishna has come home. You have wandered for so long. Good to see you and that’s awesome that you’ll be making it to the fest.

  81. son of a son of a shula says:

    Happy Fathers Day to all you fathers have a great day

  82. mf13ss says:

    jetsssuck says:
    June 18, 2017 at 5:23 am
    There you are Mf13 .I was hoping you could help us with cutting the cord questions since you are the expert on this new stuff. Here’s something for ORob–
    I’ve heard of Sling but I’m not familiar with it. I just checked out the link you provided and it looks like a good deal… so long as you have unlimited internet. If you access the internet through a data plan (like through your cell phone or satellite, for example), it’ll eat all your data up almost overnight. It also appears that you need a subscription for Sling (monthly fee).

    Something else to consider is … Prof Lou introduced this to me, it’s great, and there’s no monthly fee. Again, you’ve got to have unlimited internet for this or it’ll eat all your data up almost overnight. Click on the link and check it out.

    I’d say that Sling looks far more user-friendly than Kodi, but if you’re out to save some $$$ and don’t mind setting it up on your computer (you can connect your computer to your TV, if you didn’t already know), I’d go with Kodi. But if you’re the type who gets really frustrated with computers and modern technology, I’d go with Sling.

    Both options look like winners to me if you’re out to cut the cord, so I don’t think you can go wrong. Do your due diligence on both and go with the one you feel most comfortable with, of course.

    I hope this helps you, my friend! Get back to me if you have any other questions. And best of luck in your continued recovery after your fall… I’m sorry to hear of as much, Brother. Get well soon!

  83. son of a son of a shula says:

    Ahh Fest memories- there are so many.

    This year is our first division game it should be a lot of fun.

  84. mf13ss says:

    Happy Father’s Day to all you MOFOZ! 😀

    Take the rest of the day off if you haven’t already… today’s YOUR day!

  85. son of a son of a shula says:

    Hey Stanger my total for the Fest is 2 – me plus one

    • stangerx says:

      Cool enough, even if you always bring cool folks. Check up board and you will see Toba is set for the Quinta.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Yeah I’ll probably end up there again. Gotta keep him in line – those crazy Canadians

  86. mf13ss says:

    Just for $#!ts and giggles, I wanted to see what some of us were doing on this day years ago on the Sun-Sentinel blogs. Welp, it’s all gone now. Our ‘Mother Land’ — where most of us first met — has been wiped clean as far as I can see.

    It’s actually saddening to me being some of our most epic moments can no longer be retrieved. It was always a fun ‘go-to’ to bring us back to where we came from… and to me, that’s always important. Additionally, I feel that it’s always served to bring us back together whenever there was a fight among fellow bloggers… a ‘peace-maker/reminder’, if you will.

    • mf13ss says:

      Oh yeah… has anyone ever wondered why the “ss” after ‘mf13’? Yup… that represents the Sun-Sentinel, where we all met.

  87. herdfan says:

    Happy Father’s Day! I hope all the Dad’s are having an enjoyable day.

  88. pheloniusphish says:

    I’ve only met Piggy.

    F. Stanger – It will be me & 3 for fest food.

  89. steveccnv says:

    Just back from Greece, came back through JFK. Never again through NY.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Cool but yeah that airport and commuting around JFK can be brutal.

      • steveccnv says:

        An hour and 15 minutes to take off after leaving the gate, same thing happened a few years ago going to Barcelona. Both times it was a little wet outside.

  90. The Flying Pig says:

  91. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 18, 2017 at 4:14 pm
    I thought it was a nazi thing. LOL

  92. mf13ss says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 18, 2017 at 4:42 pm
    I knew what the SS was, it was the MF that had me stumped, cause I’m sure it isn’t what I think it is
    😆 Mein Fuhrer?!!

    Welcome back from Greece! Hope ya had a great experience, Brother.

    • steveccnv says:

      Thanks, yeah we had a great time. Rented a car the first week and went all over the country, then the 2nd week we went on a cruise.

  93. son of a son of a shula says:

    Walker, Capt Stubbs and I were the first ones to meet. It was shortly after Jim Mandich died because Stubbs insisted we drink “green lizards” in honor of him. It was before the first fest game against Washington.
    We met at a Millers Ale House not too far from where I live as it turned out Stubbs is North of me and Walker is equally as far south of me leaving me right in between them. Both are good guys we had a great time. Putting faces to names they never look like what you think they will but you soon realize it’s the same person you knew already.

  94. herdfan says:

    I’m friends with a couple of peeps here on FB. And my face has been on here as my avi for a bit when I had a pic of me and my dad. Now I’m wondering if my face is what was expected. Lol

    • steveccnv says:

      I remember you having a picture with your dad, don’t remember your face, but anything short of super model looks and you’d be sure to disappoint😉 think Penny with the big bang cast.

    • D says:

      Never know a persons looks to be the ultimate disappointment that i have found when i have found disappointment in others. Always seems to be integrity, that really sinks a person with me, or maybe conceitedness. I think looks in the world of cyberspace might initially kinda be an adjustment, as a better description than disappointment. People do build up others, through their personalities to look a certain way to to be a certain personality in real life, and those can not always be exactly as expected. Overall, though, i don’t think anyone of us here would be put off completely by the other person not living up to what we “thought” they would look or act like, unless the actions were in direct opposition to the good we thought we saw in them online.

      • D says:

        Ive never known, is how that should have started lol

      • stangerx says:

        Yeah D — I don’t even know how old you are, but the older I get the more I learn the more and more I prize a good heart (which to me is your integrity plus compassion).

  95. D says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    June 18, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    Walker, Capt Stubbs and I were the first ones to meet. It was shortly after Jim Mandich died because Stubbs insisted we drink “green lizards” in honor of him. It was before the first fest game against Washington.
    We met at a Millers Ale House not too far from where I live as it turned out Stubbs is North of me and Walker is equally as far south of me leaving me right in between them. Both are good guys we had a great time. Putting faces to names they never look like what you think they will but you soon realize it’s the same person you knew already.
    Can be, and it can be the opposite, and you never really see them the same after. Looks generally are off, because online personalities make people seem different, and the little tid bits you get from one persons admissions online kind of flow into the picture that people have. I dont know that i have ever met anyone from online friend groups that ever 100% matched the picture in my head, and sometimes its been for the better. Like a for example from my life, I have had some really dweeby picture of people in my head and find out they were these social savants, very hip, had a social lives (admittedly i usually got the lack of social life vibe from gamer buddies), etc.

    Again, you just gotta keep in mind people can be “versions” of themselves sometimes, so somewhat different but mostly just exactly what you expected, others are completely genuine to who they are and they pretty much at least match the personality of the person you met online, and others are completely deceitful, no matter if its for their protection or just to embellish who they really are, and they can be night and day different (good or bad).

    For example, im pretty sure this image i have of MikeE:

    Is probably not 100% accurate but i am pretty sure that he will act as old as i imagine him to act…. big difference…

  96. D says:

    Stanger, I actually found something online (completely by accident) that explained a lot of my internal beliefs, and ill share the link with you, not just because it explains a little about me but also the way that tis guy explains it and shows the reason i feel some of these beliefs are important, really are driven home by his comments. Just to be clear, i didnt get these beliefs from watching this, i only found this recently, but in someways it did validate in me, that im on the right track, though maybe light years behind where this guy is, and it also made me see some of the gaps in my thinking about this and where i might need to do a better job, to really live up to these ideals so that they can be seen as clearly in me as they are in him.

    This is very long(1hr15mins or so), so its probably not something you want to attempt at home, or in parts, but again, very inspirational imo.

    • stangerx says:

      D — while have not watched the lecture or read the book on it, am familiar based on the press they got at the time. Brave man with some real good advice.

  97. Mike E. says:

    I can’t believe D thought my ears were that big

  98. The Flying Pig says:

    Justice Served one snout at a time

  99. herdfan says:

    I’m pretty sure the fantasy version of me is better than reality. Lol

  100. Rockphin says:

    Damn D, Your mental image of Mike E is SPOT FREAKIN ON! 😉 It is amazing how well you nailed it. LOL !

  101. Rockphin says:

    Those damn pigs. Why do they always go for the penis?

  102. sb7mvp says:

    I’ve only met Walker and David when I took my family to Disney a few years back. Sonofson stood me up. I sat across from D at the Senior Bowl two years ago, and Mike E blocked me on facebook. It’s been a fun ride.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      That’s because David was going…

      • bookman11 says:

        LMAO…that explains a lot. Like sb7, I too met David and Walker while on vacation at Disney, and they said you might be coming…now I know why you didn’t!

  103. Rockphin says:

    Oh, and my eyebrows are not totally white, they are only going white.

  104. son of a son of a shula says:

    Bookman has awoken.
    You missed the vote for the fest game I hope you can make it this year vs the stej.

    • Rockphin says:

      I SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE TITANS GAME 4 TIMES INSTEAD OF THE JET’S GAME! Now I have a conflict and cant go. Can we recast the vote? Anyone?

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Too many have locked in with reservations

        You should make your brother come to the game is what you should do

  105. Rockphin says:

    From the “oh my god I am getting old category”

    Jason Taylor was drafted 20 years ago. Damn, I remember it like it was yesterday. Oh my God I am getting old.

  106. Rockphin says:

    I was only kidding about changing the fest game SON. I am still pissed off that I never realized that it was the same day as my brother’s 40th. We’ve been talking about going on a trip for his birthday since his 39th! I should have realized a lot earlier.

  107. The Flying Pig says:

    You have all met me

    Even those of you who have never met me in person have come to know me

    I am all around each of you
    I am the very wind that travels from all of us
    the fart known to all of you…

    (Piggy farts)

  108. Phindog says:

    I look just like my AVI

  109. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ SB – Making me feel guilty

  110. son of a son of a shula says:

    Porcine kind got a penis today while millions ate bacon.

  111. son of a son of a shula says:

    Oh man I thought for sure it would have been Zach but JT has announced that Jimmy Johnson will present him for HOF enshrinement.

  112. D says:

    Just noticed that Wake has a pattern with his sack totals, double digits, followed by single digits, followed by double…etc etc. Unfortunately this is a year he is supposed to be a single digit. If it happens that way, hopefully Harris is starting his pattern with double lol.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I think Wake should be thinking DPOY and let it fly

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah except Wake had 7 sacks before he went down with the Achilles injury in game 7 in 2015. Also his first season he was a backup to Porter and JT.

      • D says:

        I feel like wake probably has 2-3 more years left, im not sure if we hold on to him much longer, however, just depending on how things go for us with draft, etc. Still i would rally like to see him crack 100 sacks with us. That for sure earns him a ring of honor induction, and potentially a hall invite. I think he would be worth it, because 100 with as few other weapons that were on some of the teams he was on, i think shows that 100 is even more impressive than it would be otherwise.

        Also im not saying there weren’t reasons he had lower numbers when he had them, im just saying it is what it is and that’s the pattern. Im definitely not saying he takes every other year off. I mean hell you could say this upcoming year he might be single digits because he might not have as many snaps due to sharing time with Harris, so it could happen again, and there would be reasons for it. Trust me i hope he sets records, i hope the pattern breaks, and i was more joking about the pattern, though it is undeniably there.

  113. D says:

    If wake can get another 20-25 sacks, and another 5-10 FF’s, id probably consider him equivalent to Taylor all things considered. Also to be fair to Wake, he has this year and 6 more before his stats should be equally compared to Taylors, so if Wake kept to his average of 10.2 a year, he’s end a 15 year career with 152.8, easily smashing Taylors numbers. He’s also end up with about 41 FF’s, which would be almost even with Taylor.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think Wake is on a 2 year goal with this team right now. If we can’t win it all by the 2018 season I would not be surprised to see him hang it up. Then again he is a freak athlete so who knows? LOL

      • D says:

        If he gets a ring, i dunno that might be enough for him, but i hope he pushes himself for the Hall and i hope he gets it with us being his only team. That would be a pretty special thing.

  114. Tim Knight says:

    D, I get the Wake pattern thing, Miami reporters use it to creative the negative vibe like we discussed a few days ago. LOL

    I think Wake will retire before we ever release him. He’s very well respected within the org and has always been fair in contract negotiations. Just my gut feeling.

    • D says:

      I hope so, i mean i had years i thought he was done, and i was one of the people that might have said, we might as well walk away because right now he’s pretty much not reliable (after a couple years of injuries, some of which i didn’t really think he’d bounce back from). Time and time again, the guy proved how wrong i was for thinking that so at this point i hope we keep riding with him until the tires fall off and he makes the decision to retire as a Phin without him having to bounce around to any other teams before he finally hangs it up.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yep! His work ethic and the way he takes care of his body as he ages impresses everyone in the org and around the league. I think he even said at one time this is where he wants to be and win.

        If we go with 9-10 DL like last year even bringing that many to the game, he could be real productive monitoring his snap count. That’s where Hayes comes into the picture. Fede is still trying to hold onto a spot as well with Branch and Harris on the right side.

  115. D says:

    Sad that Taylor left us for those two sasons, because those were two of his worst and his average when he was with us was good enough that had he been in a dolphins uni he would have been at a number around 151 sacks, applying the average number he has as a phin.

  116. D says:

    There is zero way that Achilles injury shouldn’t have significantly affected his pass rushing. Freak of nature is absolutely right.

  117. D says:

    Man the FA’s in the available list is just ridiculous some of the names that are there.

  118. D says:

    There is definitely a storm brewing deep down in Okoye’s soul. Really impressed after listening to his interview, he has the right spirit, and there is some fire burning deep down in there, so its just a matter of whether or not he has the refined skills to play the position. He might have a good chance to make the team, also with his physique and athletic traits, im not sure if it might not be as a DE for us. Id be concerned being Warmsley, Fede, or either of the rookies Taylor of Godchaux.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s a good thing. Okoye is an intriguing prospect. He has other opportunities in life but seems to want prove he can do this NFL thing.

  119. Tim Knight says:

    10 man DL making the team with 25 defensive players.

    DT Suh, Phillips, Okoye, Godchaux, Taylor
    DE Wake, Branch, Hayes, Harris, Fede

    Of course performance in TC and the PS along with injuries could change this. But I think this is the plan at this time. Sleepers are welcome. 🙂

    • D says:

      If we keep 10 im going to bet Okoye is on the list, in fact i think even if we keep 9 he is likely to be one of them. Im thinking Wake, Harris, Suh, Phillips, Branch, Hayes, Godchaux, Okoye. The last spot is a head scratched, I just dont think Fede, last year of his rookie contract and not pushing to be a starter really screams holding on to him. I also feel like Taylor might need time to get better technique and better strength in his base, o complete his skill set, so he could be a good PS candidate. A few of the UDFA’s are as likely as those guys to get that last spot too, as there is a lot of talent from those UDFA DE/DT’s that were brought in.

    • D says:

      You list looks fine to me, but i think Fede and Taylor are stilla good way from me feeling certain about them to pencil them in. Id say thats the way im leaning currently, but im just not there with them yet.

  120. D says:

    Also, suspended, TJ doesnt count against the 53 right? Someone will just have to be dropped after he comes back?

  121. The Flying Pig says:

    Given that bacon is pork belly is all comes full circle

    • The Flying Pig says:

      son of a son of a shula says:
      June 19, 2017 at 4:56 pm (Edit)
      Porcine kind got a penis today while millions ate bacon.

  122. Mike E. says:

    D says:

    June 19, 2017 at 6:51 pm (Edit)

    If wake can get another 20-25 sacks, and another 5-10 FF’s, id probably consider him equivalent to Taylor all things considered. Also to be fair to Wake, he has this year and 6 more before his stats should be equally compared to Taylors, so if Wake kept to his average of 10.2 a year, he’s end a 15 year career with 152.8, easily smashing Taylors numbers. He’s also end up with about 41 FF’s, which would be almost even with Taylor.

    WOW!!! I don’t put Wake anywhere near Taylor, unless we’re strictly comparing pass rush ability and results. Taylor was a much more rounded player, and did so many more things than Wake, and keep in mind, wasn’t always playing DE and rushing the passer. 77 passes defensed, 46 FF, 29 FR, 8 INT’s (3 for a TD), 6 TD’s after FR’s. Hard for me to let that go that Wake and Taylor are “equal”. Taylor did a helluva lot more on the field than Wake does, did, or ever will do.

    • Mike E. says:

      Taylor also has more than double the amount of tackles Wake has. Hard to compare the two in my mind.

      • D says:

        I do agree with you that its hard to completely compare the two, but overall, i think they are pretty equivalent for what they did in their time at the position and assignments of their specific position. In other words as far as being worthy of hall of fame consideration, i consider them pretty equivalent.

    • D says:

      I dont think its hard to compare them, i do agree Taylor has the edge, and part of it is due to his height advantage, for example the 77 PD’s, is going to be next to impossible for Wake to compare, and ints for that matter. Wake has 15, and 1, which isnt bad imo, and Taylor did have a 4 inch advantage in height. The FF’s and Sacks, if Wake makes it to year 15, he would be pretty close to if not more sacks than Taylor and probably right around the same number of FF’s. Tackles, also, im not comparing those at all as Taylor wasnt a true DE, he was a hybrid DE/LB so i would expect him to be schemed to make more tackles, than Wake who has been more of a true pass rush DE.

      I do think Taylor has the advantage, but i am also not as far apart on them as you are. Wake given his situation, his position, and lack of competitive players around him for most his career, i just think he is pretty worthy of Hall consideration and pretty close to calling him equivalent to Taylor. I also dotn think i ever saw Taylor molested like they seem to let happen to Wake. I cant count on one hand how many likely sacks were taken from him just last year (and its been a pretty strong pattern throughout his career) by people pretty much taking him down by his head because he was around them so fast that’s all they could get hold of.

      So i get your love for Taylor, and i dont think its misplaced, but Wake is a much more comparable player than i think you are giving him credit for.

  123. stangerx says:

    Interesting from Jarvis’ agent to Barry Jackson. Not sure why they insist on no in-season deal but then am sure at swap meets many a time “final offer” is not exactly that.

    “The Dolphins surprisingly haven’t yet made an offer to receiver Jarvis Landry on a contract extension, but he will not hold out of training camp or hold out during the regular season if a deal isn’t struck before then, his agent Damarius Bilbo told me this week.

    Bilbo also revealed that he and Landry will not negotiate a new deal once the regular season starts. They’re open to any discussions with the Dolphins before then.”

    • D says:

      Bilbo also stole a magic ring, escaping certain death, stabbed a giant spider in the eye and stole the heart of the mountain from a seemingly indestructible dragon…. I wouldn’t challenge him even if he does look like a hairy chain smoking child.

      • stangerx says:

        LOL – I didn’t even make the connection of his agent to the Middle Earth. Same time further confirmation that Landry has zero intent on holding out. The Hobbit was probably saying…..”but we need some kind of leverage.” And that is what Landry agreed too. Same time — enough money is there in-season and deal is done.

  124. Mike E. says:


    For the same reasons you’re discounting Taylor’s tackles, and penalizing him for his height, are some of the reasons why they shouldn’t be compared. I think Taylor made much more of an impact than Cam has.. He was much more of a game changer. Just how I see it. fair or not, I don’t remember Cam coming up big at all in games that had playoff implications. I kind of remember the opposite in fact, of him being completely neutralized.

    • Mike E. says:

      Some of that has to do with him being the only big threat, so he was a target, but sometimes, great players overcome that.

    • stangerx says:

      JT is getting his gold jacket, and for good reason. We’ll see about Wake, but ain’t it great the convo about him and Taylor came up?

  125. Tim Knight says:

    I think JT was more dynamic where Wake mainly settled in as pure edge rusher on the left side. But Wake’s explosion off the edge is one of the best that I have ever seen.

    • stangerx says:

      Wake is absolutely fabulous off the outside edge…..better than JT, who could control a game from a bunch of spots. Jason is the better overall player, but then what did Dan Fouts do other than throw passes?

      • Mike E. says:

        Taylor did so many things, his versatility was fantastic, and his size and athleticism hard to match. Wake is an excellent pass rushing DE, but even measuring him as just a DE, he’s not especially stout against the run, he’s more of a pass rusher.

      • stangerx says:

        You are right…..JT did so many things well. 🙂

    • D says:

      His technique is almost flawless, i agree with the explosiveness, but i think its his technique and motor that are unequaled. I have seen others with a similar or equivalent get off, Derrick Thomas’ i believe was probably the best i ever saw, but Wakes is pretty close and the way he gets under the OT’s shoulders taking away any counter except choke slam, is remarkable. Combine that with no apparent fatigue, and that means he eventually is gonna get him man or 10 yard holding penalties, except of course they arent calling them.

  126. D says:

    JT had great see ball get ball instincts. He was a great player and the discussion from my side isnt that JT wasnt as good, its that Wake is better that is being given credit. I am saying that if you look at his numbers, specifically in the pass rushing department (in my opinion the only way to compare them), and you see a dude thats on the same level. Do the math, and if you look at the per year stats, they are pretty equivalent, look at the average per game and Wake’s are better, and do it off the per snap number and Wake’s are even better still. When he is on the field, Wake is a difference maker on par with HOF’ers. Thats not taking away anything from Taylor, its just saying Wake deserves a jacket one day too.

    • Mike E. says:

      Not trying to be difficult here, but you can’t compare them in the pass rush department only, because Taylor wasn’t exclusively rushing the passer. That’s why to me they shouldn’t be compared

    • D says:

      I think its just come to an impass, i am trying to show that Wake’s worth to the team, his contributions, etc are on par. You dont feel like they are, and thats fine. Im not tearing down Taylor by expressing what i think of Wake, even though it seems very much like you are taking it that way.

      • D says:

        Also, maybe i should have just let it go earlier, and not tried to show what i was thinking when i made that statement, but why the hell did you take offense in the first place Mike. It wasnt an offensive statement.

  127. Mike E. says:


    Why do you think I’m taking offense? I’m not. I just don’t agree with the comparison, but that’s where it starts and ends.

  128. steveccnv says:

    I agree with Mike, you can’t compare Wake to the once in a lifetime talent of JT, if you want to make a case for Wake as an HOFer, thats fine, just dont base it off of JT.

    • D says:

      I wasnt using JT as a “he’s better than JT” i was using JT as a litmus test. JT was a first ballot HOF’er, and a comparison to him, showing that each person (as different as may be argued) were equally as dominant, was used only to support the assertion that Wake too should be considered HOF worthy. There was no argument on my part outside of that, scroll back if you want the full context. I felt i had to defend an argument after Mike seemingly got sideways at my assertion the two were comparable, which they most certainly are in the context of how they played their individual position to HOF levels.

      • steveccnv says:

        Stop already, there’s no comparison.

      • D says:

        There must be because i just drew one. Steve, you don’t feel there is one but i do, doesn’t mean you or i are in the “right or wrong”, there doesn’t have to be a right or wrong because the way you are evaluating it isn’t the same as i am.

      • steveccnv says:

        So you’re comparing them based on them being equally dominant? I don’t even know what that means. When you have to write 200 words to prove a simple point, you have no argument.

  129. steveccnv says:

    I think Wake should get in, and we’re going to see how dominant he can be this year with help from his new buddy Harris.

  130. D says:

    Media peeps are making the Landry situation more than it needs to be, Landry is letting the business stuff be between the business people, the team is doing the same. FO vs the agent are working out the details that is fair for team fair for the player and i think both have the perspective of doing whats best to keep Landry here. The agent isn’t going to come out and say “Landry wants to test the open market, because its not true, Landry has said as much, but he also isnt going to say yeah he wants to be here so bad we arent going to get what we feel is fair, because that wouldn’t be doing what he is paid to do. Media types like to make it out as the team is disrespecting Landry and Landry might play elsewhere, when i am sure its no where near that.

  131. pheloniusphish says:

    Anybody think Wake and JT are very much alike?

  132. D says:

    Look Steve, you wanna jab that’s fine, keep it above the belt, i wasn’t having an argument, again, you need to read the whole exchange. The reason this went on this long and i typed “200” words to prove a simple point is because other spent a whole bunch of there telling me i didnt have one. All i did to “start this” is state that Wake’s pass rush numbers if extrapolated over 15 year career would be in excess of JT’s just as a statement of Wake actually having really good numbers, HOF worthy if people keep in perspective that he’s only got starts for 8 years in the league. That all there was to it, but then it became a JT’s better than Wake, and followed by me foolishly i guess trying to defend my original point and not doing a great job at it. Ten pile on by you at the end, and now your flinging what i consider to be insults at me. This is why people stop posting here.

    • steveccnv says:

      You’re missing the point both Mike and I were trying to make to you, but if you’re offended I’ll stop right there.

  133. Tim Knight says:

    Well we know JT is a first ballot HOF, let’s hope Wake can get there too. Then lets hope Harris has a HOF career. 🙂

    • stangerx says:

      If Wake is a first ballot HOF guy…..we will all be real happy. Should be some great seasons coming up.

  134. stangerx says:

    Might of been there times before and tech never stops to amaze me, but when I was at the grocery store just now this was on the handle of my cart.

    “If you take this cart outside the Publix parking area it will stop working.”

    No criminal prosecution thing, just that it won’t work. True or a fake out to stop them from being taken?

  135. The Flying Pig says:

    I actually enjoy watching Wake more than I ever enjoyed watching JT

    I don’t know why that is. Great as JT was, he was never one of my favorite Dolphins

    • Mike E. says:

      I liked Zach Thomas more, but Zach was an underdog who did amazing things. I always liked JT, but Zach was my favorite player. Taylor was great player though, a very special player. He accomplished some crazy impressive things over his career.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He just was never one of my favorites

        But I defiantely think he deserves HOF. He was amazing.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Zach’s numbers are pretty damn impressive too. He could be a HOF guy down the road.

  136. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger or Ken or anyone else who knows CT did you ever hear stories about a ghost train somewhere around the Hartford area or south of it?

  137. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy was a huge Kenny Mixon fan. F that JT guy. LOL

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Lorenzo Bromwell forever!!!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Good one. He showed some early promise and then faded away. Long rangy DL who could play end and move inside at times for pass rush ala Justin Tuck even though he was before Tuck.

  138. Mike E. says:


    Zach could definitely be in the HOF too. I sure hope he does, he gets in, he played his heart out, and was one of the best MLB’s I ever saw.

  139. wyoming85 says:

  140. jetsssuck says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 20, 2017 at 6:11 pm
    Zak could definitely be in the HOF too. I sure hope he does, he gets in, he played his heart out, and was one of the best MLB’s I ever saw.

    Although Mike isn’t old enough to remember Nick Buoniconti was better than Zack Thomas and guess what round he was taken in.

    • jetsssuck says:

      If only our draft pick in that round could have a HOF career like Nick’s we would be on our way to a great SB challenging decade.

      • Mike E. says:

        I said he was one of the best I ever saw. Since I didn’t live in FLA, and I really didn’t watch that much football at that young age, I didn’t see Nick Buoniconti play, other than old film footage.

      • jetsssuck says:

        r u saying am old now? u no what round Nick was drafted in?

  141. stangerx says:

    Here’s an article that points out how valuable Suh is to us…….worth the full read and vid watch. He is a difference-maker, even if not so much a scheme guy at times…but heck the most bands only have one lead singer.
    “This is a player who has given as much as he can to his team as any interior defensive lineman in the league. Suh has played 985 and 973 snaps for the Dolphins over the past two seasons, and thos numbers average out to 85 percent of the defense’s snaps. The likes of Gerald McCoy, Fletcher Cox, Aaron Donald, Geno Atkins and Marcell Dareus haven’t logged a season to rival that percent of snaps in the past two seasons.

    Suh’s contributions to the Miami defense are nearly unparalleled in the league, from his presence in defensive game-planning, his raw physical power and complementary attributes, his availability to remain on the field to make plays and his leadership on his unit. ”

    • steveccnv says:

      I think he’s underrated by the media, and fans alike. Even Mike thinks he’s overpaid😉

      • stangerx says:

        I thought the trade made little sense for us as a team at the time…..but we got what we paid for. Suh being there must make DC’s game plan whole lot, both in terms or worry and how to compensate for the wildcard part of him.

  142. steveccnv says:

    Some hack on SBNATION writes an article on, if the NFL were having an expansion draft like the NHL, which 12 players would the Fins keep. When the NFL does this each team gets to save about 40 or so players, not 12.

    • stangerx says:

      Mental gymnastics I guess……but man could they charge a lot for an expansion team if only they only protected 12. Instant SB contender.

  143. stangerx says:

    From PBP’s Habib.

    “Take whatever you like from Pro Football Focus determining that only three regulars at guard were worse than Bushrod last season……Coach Adam Gase said Bushrod ranked second behind Mike Pouncey in grades compiled by his coaches.”

    “Count him out if you’re big on PFF. Just be prepared to be very wrong.”

  144. mf13ss says:

    Provided the so-called ‘injury bug’ doesn’t cripple us this year, our O-Line has a very good chance to be a top-5 unit in the NFL. Problem is, we’re likely to fall victim to the ‘injury bug’ this year… especially regarding Pouncey.

    • stangerx says:

      Top-5?…..I’d be happy with above average. Even if Pouncey is healthy we have one stud and one we are hoping will be.

      • mf13ss says:

        I suppose it’s contingent on one’s point of view. YES… I said “top-5”, provided our starters stay healthy. But we all know that Pouncey will go down again, thus compromising my predictive “top-5” billing.

      • stangerx says:

        And my POV is the Gs are suspect (even if starters) and James is average to maybe a bit above. Still hoping we sign in an inside guy vet…..we do have the cap room.

    • steveccnv says:

      Don’t see why not, other than injury.

  145. Tim Knight says:

    Look at the way Suh is built. He doesn’t look like everyone else. I remember watching him play in college and saying geez look at this dude. He throws people around like they don’t belong.

    • steveccnv says:

      He does core strength training, so he’s strong in the middle. Now with Phillips training with him, let’s hope he can get some of that Suh motor.

    • stangerx says:

      Built is the key thing…and not so much about how he hits the weight room. He is a man among boys. Just like Mean Joe Green was back in the day, even if not as much now with the other guys having personal trainers and such.

  146. steveccnv says:

    I expect this year to be something in between the Raiders and Cowboys 2016 seasons. With a close playoff loss in the division round, after winning in the WC round, then in 2018 being true contenders.

  147. steveccnv says:

    I expect Parker to be like Chris Chambers in his breakout year.

  148. steveccnv says:

    I expect Todd Bowles to get canned by the jets mid-season in their suck for…season.

  149. Randy says:

    Hate to break it to you guys, but our OL was above average last year…way above average statistically. It’s just too easy to blame them for all the problems on the offense and not blame the QB. Lol
    We were ranked 10th in sacks allowed and 9th in rushing average. But yeah….the OL had absolutely nothing to do with those rankings. Everything is their fault. Blah blah blah.

    • steveccnv says:

      The OL was great when healthy and decent when only a little banged up. I don’t think this is breaking news, and why above we wrote how good we thought they could be this year.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I thought when we were healthy the OL was good. Why are we blaming anyone? We made the playoffs for the first time in 8 years and we were playing 2nd and 3rd string players at multiple positions down the stretch. Last year was a good season for this team. The future looks bright. 🙂

    • stangerx says:

      I agree we were above average last year. Same time Albert is no longer there. You think we are set up better going in this year or do you just want to say Tanny is the one to worry about? 🙂

  150. Randy says:

    I think it’s hard to say how our OL will perform this year…too many unknowns right now. Pouncey’s health? Who plays and how do they play if Pouncey goes down? Who plays guard, and how good do they play? Can Tunsil step in and not struggle? I know folks want to assume he’ll be ok, but until he does it….it’s still a question mark. Will James return to a higher level of play? And, of course, injuries. We basically have question marks…to a certain extent…at every position on the OL. They need to keep getting better.

    • Tim Knight says:

      A lot of teams have OL issues. A lot of these guys coming out of college are not really ready and every team is trying to find a place for young OL as they develop. It’s not easy to put together a quality OL and maintain it. We see it all across the league. There are like a half a dozen teams who have what you would call really good O-lines.

  151. Randy says:

    And with that lunch is over. Go Tanny!!!

  152. Rockphin says:

    I want to be in Key Largo!

  153. mf13ss says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 21, 2017 at 2:27 pm
    I expect Parker to be like Chris Chambers in his breakout year.

    Just don’t expect the same statistical output, being we’ll be spreading the ball around (that’s what the Gase Offense does).

    I DO think we’re going to see DeVante ‘breakout’ like Chambers did! VERY much with ya, Bro!

    • steveccnv says:

      I dont really care about stats, theyre actually counter productive, because when you get someone with blown up stats you have to pay them. I want guys to get open and make a play when called on.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed, I want to see us spread opposing defenses thin with skill in every phase that they never know what’s coming and there is nothing they can do about it. As opposed to just relying on one or two guys to carry us like we had to do in the past. This is the deepest we’ve been at the skill positions that I can remember.

  154. Rockphin says:

    Man, as hard as I try I cannot remember Thomas leaving us and playing for Dallas! WTF?

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think we let him him walk. He was breaking down and dealing with concussion issues. He retired after that one Dallas season.

  155. Rockphin says:

    I also cannot stop replaying the slow motion silhouette strut video above.

  156. Rockphin says:

    Although Mike isn’t old enough to remember Nick Buoniconti was better than Zack Thomas and guess what round he was taken in.

    You lost all credibility with the first 5 words in this sentence! LOL

  157. Rockphin says:

    Overrated and over paid…..

  158. son of a son of a shula says:

    Everything I’ve been saying about Suh since well even before he got here and as I said at the time – Suh is here everything is different now. And it is.

    • Rockphin says:

      Yes, we have been worse at stopping the run and have averaged less sacks per year since he got here. Everything is different now.

  159. son of a son of a shula says:

    Ju’wan James possibly has Hypotrichosis

  160. son of a son of a shula says:

    Timmons is going to feast this year it should be a lot of fun to watch

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think he and Alonso are a good pair and then we have some other LBs who can chip in when needed. But they are the core guys. You’ll see them both in the box quite a bit in base and in nickel.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        And McMillan is going into a real good situation. He has the opportunity to be starter while still learning from a good vet group. I think he’s going to be a good one.

    • stangerx says:

      Have no idea how much Timmons has left…..but also darn sure what he does have left is exactly what this D needs.

  161. Rockphin says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 21, 2017 at 2:27 pm
    I expect Parker to be like Chris Chambers in his breakout year.

    You mean make a spectacular circus catch and then drop and easy one right in his hands on the next play?

  162. Rockphin says:

    Two fan favorite players from the past frustrated me so much that I turned on them and wanted them gone..

    Chris “Alligator arms” Chambers
    Terrell “toast” Buckley

  163. son of a son of a shula says:

    Rockphin says:
    June 21, 2017 at 4:38 pm (Edit)
    SHHHHHHHH!! Don’t tell Son.. I’m talking about Suh

    Then you don’t know what the F you’re talking about. Pay attention.

    • Rockphin says:

      Less sacks per year since he got here.
      one of the worst run defenses in the league since he got here.
      11% of the team salary. Yeah he’s worth it and I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Want you to know I said that to you as if we were outside Dave and Buster smokin and bullshittin

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s not about sacks with Suh. Build a defense around his dominant force, something we haven’t done well since he’s been here. I like what we have now better than what we had when we signed him so we’ll see.

        Suh is a guy who draws a lot of attention and he beats players up physically the way he throws them around. He intimidates. We need other players to feast off the opponents fear of him, not be the option/target to stay away from him. I’m liking our defensive depth more than in past years. We’ll see.

  164. Tim Knight says:

    Son, agreed on McMillan. But we don’t have to rely on him just yet. He along with Misi, Hewitt and Hull or someone else can contribute when needed. What I love about McMillan besides his physical attributes is his approach to the game. He’s a student who studies and doesn’t act like he’s all that. He works on his game and he’s only 20 years old. That’s why we drafted him, he fits the same criteria as Harris. 🙂

  165. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, Timmons had 14 tackles and 2 sacks against us in the playoffs last year in January. I don’t think he’s a guy with little left in the tank. He’s 31, not 36. 🙂

    • stangerx says:

      Was I complaining about having him? Think he is one tough-ass MLB run stuffer. Could not like the signing more. Love that we have him. But the Steelers did not re-sign him cause they thought he was on the downside of his potential……you thinking he has Wake in him?

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m going by the last I saw of them. I’m not seeing decline yet. You’ll know it when you see it like with Mario Williams last year. I saw it happen to LT, it was tough watching him be a shell of his former self.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Stanger, not challenging you being for signing Timmons. I think we tend to look at 31-32 as old and it simply isn’t the case for a lot of players. Some guys are more durable for whatever reason. Timmons has missed 2 games in his entire career and has had some of his best seasons the last 2 years. I’m hoping we got a guy who still has another two good seasons in him and not tapped out as we get him.

    • stangerx says:

      I am right with you one all that TIm. Really like having TImmons. And heck yeah he is one durable guy….not injury resume at all. My favorite signing this year. Hoping the Steelers front office looks stupid not for keeping him.

      • Tim Knight says:

        They can do that because they retool prior to it being a necessity. That’s been their formula for years. They let Joey Porter walk and he had 5.5, 17.5 and 9.0 sacks for us in 3 seasons as a 3-4 OLB.

      • stangerx says:

        Joey Porter is not going to win points with me as a Phins example……but I get your point. Again…..hoping the Steelers after say they made a bad move. Sure would be nice to be them though.

  166. son of a son of a shula says:

    Adam Gase went home to decide what he would do. He said to himself, should I coach the Dolphins who are a shit storm?”
    or should I look for a team a little further along?
    As he ponders this the only thing he can see is a small little Mike Tannenbaum sitting on his shoulder saying the only thing he said the entire day. The only thing Tannenbaum said all day while Gase toured the facility, met the guys, saw the film room, what could be his new office, the Saban Bubble as he looked at all of it Tannenbaum simply replied after each nod of approval from Gase…

    …And we have Suh

    and you know the rest so far

    • stangerx says:

      Poetic Son…….even if thing not went though Gase’s mind. He was just looking for a team to mold like he wanted, but yeah Tanny not being an obstacle to that might have played in as well. Young Shula.

  167. Mike E. says:

    I read Son’s post maybe a little too quickly, I thought he said Timmons was coming to the Fest this year, and at first I thought that was the coolest thing, but then i realized he probably has to play the game.
    jetssuck – simple deduction for ya, if I’m not old enough to have watched Buoniconti play, but you are, then you do the math.

  168. Rockphin says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    June 21, 2017 at 5:03 pm
    Want you to know I said that to you as if we were outside Dave and Buster smokin and bullshittin

    that’s how I took it. No hurt feeling here my friend.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Sucks you can’t make it this year, we’ll miss you and your big mouth, no offense lol
      fucking stej, it would have been fun to watch you this year lol

  169. Mike E. says:


    Like Son said a few days ago, you should just take your bro to the Fest. That would be a nice thing to do, to allow him to meet all of the great people he otherwise would never had met. Thinkaboutit

    • stangerx says:

      Think Rock is done and that is too bad, but least him not being there meant my wife’s Jet fan friend from NY could come…..was worrying if that would be a puke green jersey good mix with him.

  170. jetsssuck says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 21, 2017 at 4:58 pm
    jetssuck – simple deduction for ya, if I’m not old enough to have watched Buoniconti play, but you are, then you do the math.
    good one… LOL but you didn’t answer the question about what round Nick Bounacatti was drafted in. If we could get the production from this years same draft pick in that round in today’s nfl we might be competing for the SB for the next decade.
    that 102 pick is a 4th round pick in 2017

  171. Mike E. says:


    I do think they were both great players in their day. Zach was #154 in the 5th RD, so the Dolphins got great value out of both Nick and Zach. Hard to compare players from different eras, but no need, both were great players.

  172. Mike E. says:


    Is that your wife’s friend? lol

    • jetsssuck says:

      too bad we didn’t have a fourth rounder we may have hit on a Nick Bounaciiti but don’t worry we have Car roooooooooooooo!

    • jetsssuck says:

      I get it now why they gave the boat load of picks to get car roooooo-they save money from draft,several rounds traded less money they doll out to draftee’s not being drafted so they can pay Suh….I understand the logic behind the trading of all the draft picks now.

  173. son of a son of a shula says:

    just sayin so you understand I’m just sayin but that’s not a BIG brother that’s a “little” brother you make the decisions, just sayin

    Stej and we’ll be down our best guy

    No pressure

  174. son of a son of a shula says:

    Two Mr Clean’s would be better

  175. son of a son of a shula says:

    Exquisite inner thighs on 6 above, again just sayin

  176. Tim Knight says:

    Boat loads of picks for Carroo? So if he becomes a really good #4 WR then what? Of course he has to pan out but a boat load of picks is goofy. LOL

  177. herdfan says:

    So I’m on a last minute trip to VA beach with my sister and one of our friends. We get an uber to go to dinner. The driver says to me, you look familiar, and I say I get that a lot. And he says I bet you do. Wtf does that mean???

  178. Rockphin says:

    I cannot stand Deion Sanders. Actually I despise him there’s nothing I like about him at all nothing.

    On this video from NFL Total Access used to morons should not even be on television. The one guy while comparing Edelman to Landry says that he would rather have Edelman because he’s the guy that will get you horizontally wow Landry is the guy that coaches and players worry about vertically……
    And then Dieon Sanders start saying I don’t know another wide receiver on the Dolphins but I know Landry I don’t know any other wide receivers I don’t know who the quarterback is for the Dolphins but I know Landry. and then he proceeds to take a slurp on the collective Patriots cock by agreeing that Edelman Brady and Belichick are the greatest

  179. Rockphin says:

    When I saw the photo that Stanger posted above I threw up in my mouth a little. You are right Son it is a no-brainer I definitely should go to Mexico. I just cannot see past the puke green. Doesn’t matter how attractive she might really be, if it has a Jets Jersey on it looks like this to me;

  180. Mike E. says:


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