Offense just looks lost. Not just ineffective but lost. Maybe it’s all due to Cutler not being up to play speed but I dunno, no one is getting open, OL is not giving a good pocket. Thomas looks slow and clunky. Ajayi doesn’t seem to be playing with any energy but he hasn’t had a lot of room to run either.
Piggy I’m not getting into the culter defending or slamming, but he is not the only problem by a long shot. He doesn’t look like he is comfortable. He looks to be playing scared, but the offense isn’t giving him a chance really. It’s fucked up from the ground up. I can’t find one player who is playing well on that side of the ball, not one.
When your offense is this bad
You need to make dramatic moves
And benching the qb might get us a little push in a positive direction
There is no reason to have any loyalty to cutler or think about the future
It’s just an easy move to admit a mistake and move on before a deeper hole is dug
We can salvage the season now
D , teams seem to be concentrated on hitting Ajayi and taking out of game plan early.. he is having to break 2-3 tackles before he hits line of scrimmage, and hust like the Defense he is getting tired and frustrated early and effectively eliminated.
Brian: 1-4 at the Fest turned out good last year… not feeling it yet this year . Lets see if we play with some jump against a tough Titans team next week.
You know what man, I’m just totally befuddled. I’ve been making excuses for Cutler because he didn’t have a lot of time in this offense, but then I look at other situations in the league, like Jacoby Brissett, who just a couple of weeks went to Indy, and he’s doing better than Cutler, and he has 84 year old Frank Gore as his RB. No more excuses, this offense is just completely inept, and we can’t even get the run game going, which should be our bread and butter. I have to think Gase is not finding ways to get opposing defenses off balance, and we just look like we don’t know what we’re doing out there, very unsure.
I also agree with you on Thomas. I’d cut his useless ass. He can’t block worth a shit, and it takes him 2 hours to get past the LOS. Fuck, let MarQueis Gray start, along with Fasano, maybe that will jump start the run game, because Gray can block
I know it seems knee jerky
But you bench cutler
Your try to get a little life into your offense for the TN home game
And if you win you walk away 2-2 instead of waiting for cutler to click with the offense
To me it’s an easy decision
And cutler is a vet
So he should be able to be professional about it
We just ate generating offense with Cutler at the helm
The offensive woes start with Cutler but they don’t end there. And yes Tannehill would be an improvement over what we have now but as Piggy said that is irrelevant until 2018. The question now is whether Moore is an improvement?
He’s probably not
But from a week to week basis
I think he might kicks start the offense next week
And give us a better shot to get to .500
If we start Moore next week
It will fade in a few weeks and Moore with be the same old Moore
But it’s not like cutler is going to be our future
So you don’t have to play this balancing of the QBs ego claim you okay with a franchise qb
I think the NFL is picking on Godchaux. I really do. I thought that defensive holding call was bunch of crap, and they’ve called a couple of other penalties on him in the last few weeks
I don’t think there is much to be done to help this team this year. We lost our starting QB, LG, MLB and CB all before the start of the season. That is just too much to overcome when you are coming out of the gate with that many injuries
Maybe Gase knows how to get a team out of a funk now after last year and if he does it earlier, then maybe we can be in better shape than starting 1-4, although Atlanta in GA looks like a sure loss.
D doesn’t look to be the problem they look okay especially against the run. I would like to see more consistent pressure on the QB. I like what I saw in Tankesley today. I think the kid can play.
I’m back and caught up on all the posts. My head hurts from banging it on the desk. Was trying to think of something to say but found myself speechless until I thought of “Our poor D” they kept us in every game until they just got wore out.
Sorta how it works when your O sucks real bad. Only thing will give them now is doesn’t seem the D tires out towards end of game like with Philbin. They are gamers.
Since shutting the game off early in the 4th quarter, my life has gotten better, a LOT better. We had lunch. We washed one of our dogs. And we got a couple of things done around the house. We are cursing much less!
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I’ve given some thought to HERD’s comments on all the travel and the Hurricane just messing up our season. POSSIBLY, if Ross had chosen to play Miami’s FIRST game vs. the Bucs on Wednesday Night (4 days BEFORE Irma’s arrival), things would have been a lot better. INSTEAD OF BLOWING OUR ONLY BYE WEEK in week one, we likely (in my mind) would have beaten the Bucs (with Doug Martin suspended the first 4 games). THEN, perhaps Friday, the Fins would have flown to California and spent 8 days getting ready for the Chargers (another win in my opinion). These two wins NO DOUBT would have left the team in a positive frame of mind before they had to play at the Jets and in London vs. the Saints. But a different course of action took place. NOT SURE IF the final outcome of these games WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER, but my guess is that they WOULD.
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ON THE DRAFT in ’18: QB must be our first pick. Tanny now fragile and NEVER a top 10 QB. Cutler & Moore not options to start. And we SHOULD get a good QB with a top-5 pick in 2018.
OD — lots of time till the draft…..and we did start 1-4 last year. So maybe we pick later. And Tanny will be back. Long as his knee his healthy he is in the prime age zone.
Players get injured. I wouldn’t say Tannehill is fragile. The approach to the knee injury didn’t work the first time. He’s be an iron man otherwise. He had the surgery and should be good to go next year.
I’m not saying Cutler shouldn’t be benched. Just like last year Tanny deserved to be benched after we went 1-4 and we’re every bit as disgusting in offense as we are now. A lot if you may have forgotten that but I remember it just fine. That’s me as a fan that wants something done now. That was me I last year wanting something done then. That’s a not necessarily the way Gase feels though it wasn’t last year and turns out he knew better than a me/us.
Gase will bench who he wants, and whom he feels deserves it, but I doubt very seriously it’s going to be Cutler, just like last year it wasn’t Tanny.
Gase after game interview didn’t sound like a guy who thinks it’s all Cutler either. He said, like I did, it’s across the board, it’s one person failing to make a play here, another on failing there, so on and so forth. It’s easy to blame the QB for all of it, he even pointed that out, he said only reason Tanny wasn’t being blamed right now us because he wasn’t there to blame. So imo, if you are going to trust in Gase, you have to trust his critique.
They will go back, analyze and make adjustments. He knows he has to do it sooner than later because he waited almost too late last year, so expect to see some adjustments this week, and probably every week after until it gets fixed
He also said that it was because they couldn’t get communication on that play and had to rush things. Cutler had to run to the sideline and then back to get the play than call and execute so he said he felt that messed not just the execution but also what he called.
I’m not worried about the defense. I guess we can nitpick them but they’ve played well enough to win all 3 weeks. The offense has been so bad the last two weeks that’s where the focus needs to be.
Ken, I agree Tankersley can play.
Not making excuses but today’s game was horribly officiated. Let them play a little bit, geez!
You either trust Gase or you don’t…. No picking some decisions and not others. If you think this shit it coaching then I see why you feel what he says is wrong, but if you don’t how do you second guess what he is saying?
You can’t correct things if you make changes all over the place. It’s not all on Cutler though he’s not playing well. There’s a lot going on with the offense that doesn’t look right – from play calls, to getting everyone lined up, to execution. They need to figure it out.
Did you guys catch that Maxwell was out cause he did a hammy thing while warming up? Maybe NFL players are maxed out on their training like a stretched rubber band but….you get the idea.
You normally have things like this in early part of the season. I think it’s because the CBA doesn’t allow for more game like practicing during PS, but that’s what they felt was best I guess
Hammy during warm-up has nothing to do with game time hitting. But maybe he had something going on that he and/or they were hiding. Normally when you warm up and someone drops out it is cause of “not ready to go” from whatever before.
It’s not about box scores lol, did you check how many three and outs we had on bad throws by him, how many strip sack fumbles, etc. I can show you a play where he fumbled throwing to no one and then kicked the ball around like he was playing soccer until he eventually lost it out if bounds. He had some incredibly bad plays. He settled out, he started playing better but even Gase said our 1-4 start was worse than we are playing now.
The knock on Tannehill was he didn’t lift the play of others around him up. Right now Cutler is dragging down the likes of Landry, Parker, Stills and Ajayi
I don’t really care, Cutler isn’t the answer anyways I not a fan of his, I’m just trying to talk sense into you guys and it’s a big ole whiff on my part. Have at your misery and you pile on to anything that bad being one person. Lol
If I pass for 400 yards but throw a pick or two and fumble 3 times, I guess I wasn’t part of the problem. Box scores don’t tell you a game, that has been proven over and over.
I have never seen this offense play worse other than the years when we didn’t have any talent.
I don’t know why Gase doesn’t stick with more conventional to get Ajayi going rather than these WR groupings all bunched up for 0-5 yards every time. I hate 0 backfield and why did we pass on 1st down inside the 5 when we got picked? We ruined a good opening drive. Please Gase, stop being cute.
He probably should have called a run on that 1st and goal, but they couldn’t get communication between the people they needed to to get that done. It’s set us into a funk. We never got out.
Not specifically picking on Cutler but in that circumstance you call a timeout. When you are in the red zone you don’t rush plays. You use that time out if you have to and that is on Gase more than Cutler
First time I left a game before 0.00 on the clock. Didn’t even see Saints XP. They were there for the taking today but we were abysmal. Yes we arrived Thursday but for me, this team has reverted back to quitters, which is disappointing under Gase.
How he reacts now is key.
Well I thought the Saints have a shitty and I thought Cutler was due and Cam has been playing like shit this year so far so I went with the homer call. Then again last week I thought the Ravens D against the Jags was a good call too
Mike E. says:
October 1, 2017 at 2:49 pm (Edit)
Atlanta losing to BUF in their house. They better turn it around, or we’re in more trouble than we are alreadfy
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You know you suck when you start rooting for teams to win 2 weeks before you play them so they don’t take their frustration out on you
Mike,
I remember basically being laughed at for suggesting during the preseason that it was quite possible that Buffalo could finish 2nd ahead of us in the division. I don’t think anyone is laughing now…
Everyone is blaming the offense. How about a defense that can force more than 2 three and outs a game? One that recognizes screens before they are ten yards down the field?
We’re totally devoid of playmakers on defense. That’s where I’d be looking in next year’s draft, along with a freaking TE. Tim to finally invest a young TE, and stopp putting these shitty band aids on the position, like Jordan Cameron and Julius Thomas.
We should have a better pass rush gof en the emphasis and the talent there
I didn’t see Anthony at all today
Not sure if he played
Timmons made 1 play but I didn’t see him
Tankserly almost made a great play and played well
Howard has been shaky
Allen does nothing
Jones seems to be coming around but was MIA for first 2 games and first half
The D well enough to win. They got tired at the end of the game from being on the field too long but holding a Brees led team to 20 points is not a bad days work
Thanks Piggy and Stanger. Any live game is a bonus, but the flip side of that is watching a team fail to live up to potential in person is more painful than on a screen. We should all be used to it by now but we still take Wanny’s cheese every year.
Had a rib eye steak and a bottle of Shiraz to console myself…….. seems to be working. Signing out now as I have a 3 day business trip and I’m recording all games so don’t want any spoilers. Keep the faith and FU all 🙂
It’s been a very sup par brand of football so far this year and a lot of inconsistency from teams week to week. As bad as our offense looks, 1-2 is not a death sentence. Our defense can compete. They need some support.
I’m sorry just staring at the stats I’m not seeing a major difference. The pats game was garbage time stats. They had a very big halftime lead where or offense had nothing but 3 and outs, after halftime they let us funk and dunk ourselves back into it with Landry and Parker taking short stuff for big gains. Other than that we had overtime game with overtime additional stats against an awful Cleveland team, out only win.
Also end of the day,been were 1-4, so again were we really better than now? I don’t think you can stretch that belief far enough to make it true
To me last year has nothing to do with this year anyway. This debate really has no merit for me. Not sure why you guys even go here. You can’t imagine what it might have been because that’s all it is, it’s imaginary. Some people feel Tannehill would have been better than Cutler, you don’t, then there is me and I’m sure others who don’t see the point.
As fans, shouldn’t we focus on what this team needs to do to get better? Tannehill won’t be a part of that on the field anyway.
Look how many turnovers Tanny has to Cutler, look. How many sacks he took. You guys are absolutely giving Tanny a break on his failures. Let Cutler get further along before you sell this season and him short. Yes he is a pouter, but Gase might get him back on track and if he doesn’t we get to draft a QB and not worry about either of them, we can have a brand new guy for us to bitch about
Look at all the points Cutler scored. At the end of the day it is about points on the board and Cutler is failing miserably much worse than what Tannehill was doing in the same stretch last year
Tankersley looked good. I read somewhere, it could have even been here, that his response to being told he was starting was, ‘about damn time’. I like his spirit. Sounds like something I would have said. In fact, I say that all that time. lol
He had a great game. When I saw him in, I watched him pretty close a deal he looked good. Looked a lot better than you would expect a rookie in his first game would look
So last year has nothing to do with this year but you guys keep bringing up how much better at QB than LAST YEAR. You bring up box scores so I show you the box scores, and I get well we scored more points which is an entire offenses responsibility. Choose you argument and stick to it, stop rolling to another when I prove you other one isn’t solid,not hell just be respectful and admit I have a good point
But D when the argument that the offensive woes were on the whole offense not just Tannehill and people went ballistic in response to that. Why does Cutler get the benefit of the doubt on that and Tannehill didn’t. Tannehill is not an elite QB but he is a capable NFL QB who I think has been unfairly treated by many Phin fans
Gase is clearly going to give him more time and I understand that but I am pretty disappointed with what I have seen with him to date. Let’s hope Gase is right
I said your first point but I have not been making the comparisons. You’re lumping me in with Ken and Piggy. I think the point is moot. What’s wrong with the 2017 offense?
Gase is becoming too Lazor for me. What I would do as HC or OC would be to hone in on my talent and use it. I line up 2-TE as my base for blocking for Ajayi, protection and also passing options. Then rotate my top 3 WRs and use them more vertically. Ajayi doesn’t go down easy with a head of steam. Not much he can do being hit in the backfield or at the LOS. I start with getting him going then strike deep – not meaning bombs but throws beyond 10 yards. That’s deep these days. LOL
Gase has us sinking behind the LOS too much just like Lazor did. It’s like an addiction for these OC guys these days. Parker and Stills are vertical guys. Landry is a Swiss Army knife. Ajayi is a punishing runner. Use it.
NFL is all upside down this year. Pats losing g to people they shouldn’t, almost could be 1-3. Jets just won against a red-hot jag team. All kinda crazy stuff happening
We had a lot strikes against us this year with injuries so I can’t just blame it all on Gase or Cutler or any one thing but I still expected better than this
I about posted something bothering other day about out possible draft possibility base on what might happen but it’s too early for that so I abstained. Still when I was working it out I realized, this year unlike my years might have a person picking in the 12-15 range that has 6 wins. Usually it’s 7-8 to pick there but everyone is shooting for 8-8 this year it seems lol
D, I said “To me last year has nothing to do with this year anyway.” That’s what I thought you were referring to.
The 2017 offense has to figure it out because they’re not even competitive right now. All Tannehill can do is be a voice and express some solutions based on what he’s seeing.
The team needs a meeting of the minds moment. I really feel basic football centered around the best players on offense is the key. The 3 WRs are not the best offense, getting Ajayi going is priority #1. Then strike with those skill guys. We need 7-7 hats more and less 5-6 hats on 7. We’re losing in the trenches. Can’t survive that way.
It sorta was then, i guess. Just not directly. My reply was saying then why is everyone making it about last year’s QB being better. I was saying the argument started out like that, I didn’t take it there, infact I was trying show it wasn’t and better, putrid is putrid and even Gase didn’t feel this year was worse.
Either way I think we are back to being in agreement we suck right now and our whole offense sucks and nothing this team is doing right now, at least on offense, is acceptable.
Defense is improving, and I think tankersly is a big part of it. They need to get McCain too while they are at it. He isn’t very good. I think Verner sucked on the outside, but I think he is better than McCain in the slot, I’d rather have him in the slot against NE than McCain. McTyer might deserve a shot as well.
It will be interesting to see if we continue on a current arc and wind up tanking this season and Tannehill does have a clean bill of health but we have a shot to get one of the top 2-3 QBs in the upcoming draft what do we do? There will be some good QBs in this years draft
That’s a long way down the road. But if we pick top 10 or even 10-15 might come into play. Tanny will at least have a clean bill of health coming into the draft though.
It is going to be a good year for QBs. If we have a high pick it may be too good to pass up but I don’t know how that sits with the vets who want to win now
“I’m one of the leaders of the offense and right now it’s unacceptable the way our offense is playing. The defense is doing a great job. When our defense is playing like that you’ve got to go out there and make plays and help those guys out.”
This is easily the craziest start to a season across all teams in the NFL I think I have ever seen. There is only one undefeated team left and it’s week 4 and JC has to play a hot Redskins team Monday.
I know everyone talks about Darnold, but I really like Rosen. He is tough and is putting up very good numbers with no o-line and not much in receivers. …Both will probably go in the top 5 though.
Risen seems more refined, a little less wow factor. I like Luke Faulk a lot.
The Fitzgerald kid at Mississippi State is much better than the last two games have made him look. He is all they have in offense so it’s hard for him to get anything going since all a team has to do is shut him down. He needs to stay at State another year imo.
There are so many pretty good candidates and just a couple of possible start right away that we could get a guy in the third even and it be a possible starter in a year. We have to get someone, because it’s only a possibility that if Tanny comes back that he doesn’t have some regression from his year off.
D, not sure what the big issue is with McCain. It’s not like he’s being torched for TDs. He’s doing his job and it’s not easy inside with what teams run. He actually helps on plays he had nothing to do with making tackles. We’re not giving up a lot of points. The offense is doing nothing to support the defense. Nothing!!! 6 points (TD and missed XPT at the end of the game) in the last 8 quarters. It can’t be much worse.
The defense isn’t great but they’re sound. The offense is so bad I can’t even focus on defense now.
This is the first time the secondary has looked good and he was the weak link there. That tackle they credited for was pure luck that kamara lost his footing on the wet field. He had penalties against him that hurt us, he missed some coverages on kamara that cost us and he has always been a weakness in the secondary he us topped out and with most teams working the slot, he just doesn’t give us the quality we need there.
McCain was all over the place and plays STs. Lead the team in tackles with 7 and sacrificed his body on that shot he took cutting a guy down. He also had an impact on the missed FG in LA. He’s an unfair whipping boy in my eyes. I’m not worried about him or the defense the way it’s constructed.
We punted 6 times, lost the TOP battle by almost 10 minutes – dominated in the 2nd half, and scored 0 points. Bobby McCain is not the problem.
Our OL looks average. A lot if teams have worse than we have. They aren’t doing great, but they arent looking like a sieve either. All the offensive units need a good tweaking but aren’t just completely awful. We just don’t have anyone helping carry us either. Landry has been that guy for us but even he isn’t doing much this year. He us dropping a ton of passes
Points! 17, 20 and 20 with very little support on offense. I’m not worried about the defense and they could get better. Lots of new faces coming down the road.
only 3 disrespectful anthem kneelers this week for Miami?……from the crybaby offices of Thomas, Stills and Thomas….how ironic would it be for one or all of them sustain a spinal injury?……think about it……sitting in a wheel chair WISHING they could STAND for the anthem…..oh the irony of it all…….they would get to experience what a soldier feels like after being road side bombed by some fucking terrorist……
C’mon man, that’s way over the top. I get it you take exception to it despite the fact they say the protest has nothing to do with the military, but wishing a spinal injury on anyone is disgusting
Top — think it great that most seem to have gotten over the whole politics after it became an issue before. Just back to football. You watch the game? Now that is something to get mad about.
Mike E……yeah,,,they don’t mean DISRESPECT to the military……but they are still disrespecting AFTER being told that their actions are disrespectful…those fucking retards don’t get it…..find another way or venue…….and stop disrespecting our nation’s anthem and flag.
I didnt see anyone protesting the military, but Fox Sports always sells anthem time for advertisements, and don’t normally show the anthem.
Did Fox diss the military too for making millions of dollars during the anthem instead of standing?
Love ya brah, but I don’t think anyone is disrespecting the military, or I would call them out for sure.
“The D well enough to win. They got tired at the end of the game from being on the field too long but holding a Brees led team to 20 points is not a bad days work.”
2 three and outs. Can’t stop a screen pass. D is not playing well enough to win.
Disagree on that one. This D is better than what I thought it would be, not that was hoping for much. Still 6th best in points allowed per game even though the O keeps throwing them out over and over again.
There is definitely room for improvement especially in terms of impact plays such as sacks and take aways but they are keeping the other team out of the end zone. They are definitely not why we lost
Guys like Stills are actually doing something about it. They have met with Tony Dungy and others, and have gone into the inner cities to have meetings with police and community leaders. That’s accomplishing something, not just empty gesture protesting. As far as I’m concerned, they’re just trying to bring awareness to the issue, and as long as they are following up and doing something about it, it’s a good thing. Have you ever been to a football game? Have you not seen drunken a-holes cursing and laughing and totally not paying attention to the anthem? Why is that not disrespecting the military, or the anthem? They’re trying to promote unity, not divisiveness.
I don’t have to assume. It’s just not right even bringing that up. That’s like me saying wouldn’t it be ironic if Top Secret went on to the football field to prevent one of the players from protesting and the player tackled him and Top Secret got a concussion and then got CTE? You know what I mean? It’s just unnecessary.
funny, I don’t see the irony….TOP SECRET attempts to prevent disrespect to the flag and the anthem but gets fucked up by the disrespectful player/players instead…wow, I guess that’s disrespectful players – 2, TOP SECRET – 0…not a good day for patriotism.
Mike E….yes drunken assholes do disrespect the flag and anthem….but they are not endorsed by the league and it’s owners to do so…….and please explain this to poor david……I don’t give a fuck what the players SAY their intentions are……their ACTIONS are disrespectful and offensive, to most of us who have served……PERIOD.
I think the Dolphins are tired, mentally and physically. The travel, hurricane, road games, losing the bye, losing Tannehill, it’s just becoming a mountain of adversity, and no bye to rewind and get back on track.
There are no easy answers at this point, We have to play the cards dealt, and find a way
If the offense picks it up and starts playing well and the defense than tanks it, I will post pics of the shards of glass sticking out of me because I jumped out a window. LOL
Thomas set up 1st and goal at the 4 with a 23 yard gain. We fucked that up by passing on 1st down. Gase, just go with what you have. Run the ball there. Come on man!
Run it and you probably score even if not on 1st but 2nd. Impose your will there go big and power run it with a guy who doesn’t go down easy when he’s got some tread. It’s not rocket science. This is the kind of thing that sets teams back. You play tricky instead of physical when it’s there for the taking. I’m really disappointed in Gase the last two weeks. I think he’s a bit lost right now as a play-caller. Too much on his plate.
I think Gase has been too cute and trying to establish certain things
In this case getting Thomas involved
Last week it felt like we wanted to get Ajayi a big game
I think the offense is just struggling to find an identity
Watched Thorson yesterday vs Wisconsin. The physical skills are all there but he will need time at the next level. I watched him make a horrible play at the end of the game that resulted in a safety that effectively ended the game. He just held the ball when he didn’t have to
Even though they may be protesting social injustice it’s time to release the American flag from being a hostage in all this. The military and the flag have nothing to do with these issues it’s just their way of getting attention. It’s bad for the fans, it’s bad for the military and it’s bad for business.
Time to let it go and find another way to protest.
With that said, we really need to start looking for a future replacement. There are a few guys we should look at in next year’s draft. …2nd/3rd red prospects. They can always sit a year or be a backup at OG/C.
Yeah
I don’t think it’s an immediate need
And I don’t think it needs a high pick in 18
But it does look like the clock on his career is ticking
He might retire soon
He’s pressing a bit and making some bad throws. Rosen is the one I really like. …A Tough pocket passer with good field vision, great mechanics, strong arm, and who can actually take a snap under center.
Fwiw Top you didn’t offend me
I’m never really offended by anything
But I’m a little worried with people at each other’s throats after 2 losses in a row
This blog will be miserable if that happens
tone and the way we all speak to each other can prevent that
I have to watch myself as well
We all have to watch ourselves
Dolphins lost, but have our lives drastically changed over it? lol. No
It sucks, but can’t let it kill off my positive thinking. Sometimes it’s best to just let things go, and look to next week and regroup. First REAL home game of the year might make a differance!
It did but not sure I trust Moore to run an offense for more than a handful of games. I think his limitations will become more obvious. Then again hard to do much worse than what we are currently doing
I think the int at the end of the first drive really took a lot out of the offense. I was so bummed. That just was a terrible call on 1st down. Thomas is not that good anymore
Seems Philbin is back! All the shit he and RT17 got/get, at least they frickin scored.
And is it against the rules to throw more than 5 yds down the field? Or does every pass have to be at the line of scrimmage!
Mike E. says:
October 1, 2017 at 6:53 pm
Hunter Henry just made a fantastic TD catch. Sure would be nice to have a good young TE
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Next year when we select Mike Gesicki in the early 2nd round.
1) Our O-Line is pathetic in pass-pro: we’re on track for 48 sacks over 16 games WITH Cutler’s superior pocket-presence.
2) Our O-Line is pathetic in run-blocking: 3.2 YPC through 3 games with 0 TD runs.
3) While Cutler’s CMP% is nice (67% through 3 games), his YDS/ATT are WAY down (nearly 2 yards per attempt): WHY are we playing ‘dink-and-dunk’ with his cannon arm?
4) Ajayi’s 3.8 YPC today are NOT for a lack of trying very hard in front of his fellow Londoners. This O-Line is pathetic and Pouncey isn’t looking good (doubt he’s going to make it through this season, as I’ve predicted).
5) Kenny Stills is averaging 5 Yds/reception LESS this year (11.2) than his career average (16.6).
6) Julius Thomas is averaging nearly 2 Yds/reception LESS this year (8.9) than his career average (10.8) and his 2-year average in JAX (9.7).
7) Jarvis Landry is averaging nearly 4 Yds/reception LESS this year (6.7) than his career average (10.3)
8) I saw a stat citing that the 3-game Offensive scoring output this year is lesser than ANY 3-game stretch of Joe Philbin’s tenure here… OUCH.
9) The play-calling is absolutely horrific from Adam Gase… it’s as though Dan Henning has taken over his brain and we even saw the ‘Wildcat’ today (where Cutler took the play off while on the field).
— I stand by Adam Gase keeping Cutler as the starter into next week, but I’d keep Cutler on a very short leash. What does that mean? If Cutler isn’t the answer after 4 games (1/4 of the season), it’s time to start Matt Moore, JMO.
— At his current rate of play, Ja’Wuan James won’t be here next year to collect his roughly scheduled $9.3M, after exercising his 5th-year option this past off-season.
— Jarvis Landry and his agent are not going to be able to capitalize on a new contract at his current production… not Jarvis’ fault, either.
— Has Adam Gase intentionally ‘dumbed-down’ the Offense to gain Cutler more familiarity with his new teammates in order to avoid early-season turnovers? If so, when do the training wheels come off? It’s time to let Cutler air it out… he looked good in the preseason, IMO.
1) Same old story
2) Same old story
3) Same old story
4) Same old story
5) Receivers don’t seem to be getting open as much this season. Whether that is due to a lack of chemistry with Cutler, Cutler shitting the bed, the OL woes or all of the above I just don’t know.
6) He needs to see less playing time and Marquis Gray needs more.
7) Defenses seem to be handling him well this season.
8) The offense is the worst I can remember seeing in all of my years watching this team.
9) Agreed. Stop getting cute and just run the plays we are good at (if any right now). That cute shit only works if the offense is clicking with normal plays.
Had to work a convention for our clinic.. they had an NFL section where they played the games on big screen for all the guys who got ‘dragged’ to the event.
This section was right behind our booth!!! so I got to see the game after all. Kinda’ wish I had an excuse NOT to see it.
Matt Moore deserves a shot at this. It can’t get any worse.
Lol rivers told the media they asked three questions in a row there they answered the questions in the question the asked him. It’s silly sometimes to hear the questions they ask. Like guaranteed they will ask how do you feel about this loss…. Wtf really lol
That holding call on Godchaux was awful. He got pancaked in an intentional double team.
I guess I know what the ref thought happened. He thought Godchaux pulled the double-teaming guard in, thereby opening the hole for Jones to shoot the gap and make the easy tackle, but the guard went to Godchaux on his own. Terrible call.
There were a handful of other bad ones, including one later in the same drive on a 3rd down stop (two 3rd down fuck you Dolphins calls on that drive, smh.)
Even without the refs, our offense has issues. Cutler’s arm looked live today, but his play still stunk.
Oh well, we started 1-4 last year, maybe we can turn it around.
M13, superior pocket presence from Cutler? That sack and fumble was bad stuff. He’s not really ready to play. Game one was not the norm. I don’t blame Cutler only for the overall offense woes, but he’s a big part of it. He looks sluggish. The OL has been sub par but also put in bad situations that Gase has to take some blame for.
Gase has to have a meeting of the minds and figure this out before the hole gets too deep.
I’m thinking maybe Gase should let someone else call plays. That whole wildcat play? What was that? It took them forever and ever to run it, not like they were fooling anyone or catching then by surprise. If I can see what they’re doing, good chance the opponent is on top of it too. And Cutler just stands there with his hands on his hips like he’s waiting for an elevator or something.
mf13ss says:
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8) I saw a stat citing that the 3-game Offensive scoring output this year is lesser than ANY 3-game stretch of Joe Philbin’s tenure here… OUCH.
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Ugh, that is the suckiest thing I’ve heard so far. “OUCH” says it all.
Tim Knight says:
October 1, 2017 at 8:30 pm
M13, superior pocket presence from Cutler? That sack and fumble was bad stuff. He’s not really ready to play…
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Re-watch that play. Ja’Wuan James nearly got Cutler killed. There was absolutely nothing Cutler could have done on that one given play other than just falling down. At least he didn’t get cute and force a throw that could have resulted in an INT.
I DO feel that Cutler has a tremendous feel for the pocket… he’s got that buzzer going off in the back of his head and automatically knows when to step up or sidestep. I’m not sure we’ve had a QB with as much pocket-presence since Marino… but that’s JMO.
His pocket presence is much better that we are accustomed to. I’m not sure his is great, but it’s a lot better than Tanny that has almost no pocket presence. Brady, Brees, etc are all much better than Cutler
They had Harris lined up as a 3 tech DT today. That’s crazy. I don’t know what they were thinking but he didn’t get much push from there and he got a penalty, a BS one, another time. That roughing call on Suh was bullshit too, he didn’t touch his head, was a shot to the chest, perfectly legal
Oh my… Cutler is all that. He looks done is how he looks. 6 points in 8 quarters. What are we watching? The offense looks bad but he’s part of it. It starts with the HC/OC for me. Gase has to dial it back and roll with the best players he has, not his ultimate desire.
My problem with Cutler is that he looks like he doesn’t care right now. There is no urgency in his game. He is taking every snap right down to the wire of the play clock even when we are behind. I thought we were supposed to be this up tempo no huddle offense. We look sluggish as all hell
He seems to be playing scared to me. He doesn’t seem collected as he did in the first game. He isn’t setting his feet and he has an unsettled look to him as he sits in the pocket. He bailed out completely on one play, prepped for the sack before he was out of options. Other time I saw him adjust his feet like 10 times like he was trying to find a passing land and yet getting ready to scramble over and over.
Can’t you objective? Does Cutler have to suck at everything for you to agree. If I say he has better pocket presence than Tanny, but still say isnt on the level of great as say Brees or Brady, you have to lose your cool over that? No one is saying he’s great dude.
IMO Cutler doesn’t look any better in a collapsing pocket than Tanny does. There were one or two plays I said to myself ‘Tanny escapes that with his mobility’. But I also figure Tanny may have taken a sack that Cutler didn’t take today because of Cutler’s better awareness. To me it’s a wash.
I think D overstated Tannehill lack of pocket presence. I will admit it was a problem his first couple of seasons but I think he was consistently improving the last couple of seasons to the point where I didn’t think it was a significant issue last season.
Ken he took like 13 sacks in first 4 games last year, of which he had 4 strips. He might as well have been blind to his right side. He would never see it coming. Tanny still has horrible pocket awareness, and holds the ball way longer than he should. He also doesn’t know when to just throw it away. He has tons of athletic ability but he statues in the pocket.
Tanny isn’t even aware the pocket is collapsing that’s why he gets stripped so much. He had at least one strip sack in 4 of the 5 games last year when we were 1-4. He take sacks a lot if time he didn’t have to because he doesn’t move in the pocket. There is an undeniable difference, even I’ll agree Cutler only above average in the pocket and certainly not on the level of the top QBs in the league
I think it’s grossly overstating it to say Tanny isn’t aware the pocket is collapsing. I personally agree with Ken that may have been true his first couple of years, but last year was a significant improvement. I thought he was about average in that dept last year. He still has lapses, and I agree Cutler has better instinctual awareness. I still think Tanny doesn’t take two of the sacks Cutler took today.
He did have that run with some strip sacks some of them was because he was fighting not to go down. That said it was an area that dramatically improved I can recall several plays where he showed great pocket presence in avoiding a sack and making plays down field. The one that stands out to me is the deep ball to Gray against the Steelers last year.
Tim Knight says:
October 1, 2017 at 8:53 pm
Oh my… Cutler is all that. He looks done is how he looks. 6 points in 8 quarters. What are we watching? The offense looks bad but he’s part of it. It starts with the HC/OC for me. Gase has to dial it back and roll with the best players he has, not his ultimate desire.
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Nah, Bro… I don’t think anybody thinks Cutler is “all that”.
Like YOU, I think it all starts with the HC/OC. IMO, Gase is dialing things back to make life easier for Cutler… and I do NOT agree with it, either. Let Cutler rip the ball like he’s used to doing (we saw it work nicely in the preseason).
There’s enough blame to go around… from the play-calling, to the QB, to the O-Line, to the fact we have so many new players trying to get used to playing with one another.
Tannenbaum and Grier are certainly not without guilt.
I replied to what M13 said, you jumped on it then make a post like this. Fuck you dude.
Others are posting about Tanny vs culter and you single me out. Fuck you a second time.
Who gives you the right. Either read and ignore or read and reply without telling people what they can and can’t post. I’m equally tired of your bullshit about how Tanny is Jesus walking on water when he isn’t.
Cutler may not be the answer but Tanny has never proven he us either. You can’t take that go cuddle with your Tanny doll and have a better night ok. Otherwise, as previously stated, fuck off.
D:
Chill man we all have our opinions and nobody is telling anybody what they can or can’t post. Emotions are running hot today because we played like shit again. Tim is a good guy as are you I would hope everyone can express their differences of opinions civilly.
I have a busy day tomorrow so it is time for me to go cuddle with my Tanny doll. LOL I actually liked that line. Peace
LET US BE HONEST with something… our O-Line is PATHETIC.
Seems as though Laremy Tunsil’s testicles have yet to drop as an NFL LT, Anthony Steen isn’t the answer at LG, Mike Pouncey’s days are numbered (he’s been playing very poorly over the last two games), Jermon Bushrod isn’t a spring chicken in only his second year at RG, and Ja’Wuan James is becoming a 1st Round BUST at RT.
Ugh, I started debating Tanny. My bad. Hahaha, I have no desire to rehash this right now when he won’t be a factor to this team until next year, lol. Have a good night, ya’ll! 🙂
The Tannehill vs Cutler debate is a legit one to have, IMO. WHY? Because even though Tanny is out for this season, Cutler is battling for a starting job against him come 2018.
I see no harm and no foul in trying to figure out who the better QB is in the Gase system… BUT IT’S STILL TOO EARLY after a mere 3 games. That, and we don’t know if Tannehill will ever be 100% again.
Time shall reveal, and there’s still plenty of football to be played for Cutler as there is time for Tanny to successfully recover.
Track these matters, but nobody (including Adam Gase himself) can make a definitive call RIGHT NOW. Too early, gents.
But if his is as good as he is – no question he’s gone in ’18
We don’t really have too much of a choice now but to ride with him
Personally I would pull him for Moore with the option to play him again later in the year and give him a second chance
Ken before I wind up getting to a place I just did with Tim I’ll tell you I don’t agree that Tanny has good pocket presence, and that’s my observation on it. I don’t think Cutler’s is perfect, but generally is much better. Doesn’t make Cutler the man for us, and I have never said that, it’s just an observation about something that was being discussed.
You guys can want for Tanny to be back, he isn’t going to be back, I’m actually hoping Cutler improves so we can improve but I’m also rational enough to know it’s going to take more than just him improving for our team to get better on offense. To be frank I have never liked Cutler, but he is our QB and I’m trying to be positive about it. I do think Tanny is better in some ways but worse in others.
So now I have that out there, the rest of you pine for Tanny or Moore or whatever. I’ll just stay out of shit since everyone can be talking about the same shit yet I’m accused of starting it all or keeping it going or whatever else Tim wants to blame me for.
So to you Ken I’ll say I respect your opinion in opposition to mine, I cannot however agree with it.
That’s all cool D. It’s a football blog and we are going to have different opinions and we shouldn’t feel like we shouldn’t share them. This place wouldn’t be much fun if we all agreed with one another. I am out. Peace
The Flying Pig says:
October 1, 2017 at 9:36 pm
I think it’s a bit hard to evaluate the OL when we end up falling behind by multiple scores
The OL was fine on the first series of the game and was running the ball well
3rd and 4th qtr though they looked bad
But we weren’t running anymore
Plus I don’t think it helps that cutler is letting the play clock go to the last second
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This point is irrelevant on every level, and I say that with respect to you, Pig. You’re making excuses where execution mattered. If ya can’t pass-pro, ya die. If ya can’t open lanes in the running game, ya die.
Look at our sacks yielded and our YPC behind our O-Line. If THAT didn’t suck, then my aunt would be my uncle. Our Offense is stagnant in LARGE part due to our O-Line. It’s easy to say that we’ve been playing from behind as you stated… but why are we playing from behind? Because our Offense can’t put points on the board, by and large due to our O-Line.
Our offense took the ball 81 yards down the field in their first drive only to come away with nothing after an interception
The OL looked fine on that drive
Afterwards it went south
I think it all feeds off each other but when you look at the fact that Ajayi finished with 12 carries and was being productive
I don’t know how you ignore the way the game developed and the way it made all the parts looked
YES Mr. SPIKES; YOU & I DID WARN about the overwhelming need to upgrade the O-Line. WHEN THAT did NOT occur, our season was doomed!!! This O-Line opened up with a great first drive then RAN OUT OF GAS!!! – – NOT IN NFL GAME SHAPE, THAT’S FOR SURE!!!
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THIS is a talent driven league. Outside of 5-6 players, Miami DOES NOT HAVE THE TOOLS TO COMPETE AND WIN. YOU NEED 40+ BIG TIME PLAYERS on your squad. We’re not even close to that. THAT’S WHY our personnel acquisition department needs a top-to-bottom over haul. From T-Baum to the lowest ranking scout, our talent department LACKS TALENT EVALUATORS capable of putting a championship team on the field!!!!! And given ROSS’S history of hiring “the wrong people” way too often, the chances of building a first rate scouting department seems pretty small.
FOLKS, a fish rots from the head down. That’s why, IMHO, Miami will NOT have a championship quality team until ROSS SELLS THE TEAM!! Ross may have “the Midas touch” with real estate. But, regarding building an NFL franchise, he’s proven he’s got “the Midas touch in reverse!” 60 wins and 72 losses during the Ross Era says it all!
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WHAT a tragedy in Las Vegas! Over 200 dead Americans!! Blasting the mayor of San Juan won’t fix this problem nor will it deal with Little Hitler in North Korea!! Time to stop the talking and start taking action!!
I feel like I need to shower again
That last sack he definitely tucked it WAY before he had to
That’s 2 flipping page turns for me
There’s a good chance we start 1-4 again.
We are going to be picking very high 2018 draft.
The defense didn’t do too bad. Tankersly looked pretty solid.
Defense played well enough to win but you can’t win if you don’t score
At some point when the offense doesn’t do shit he defense cracks
It’s a pretty decent defense against the run
Cutler is atrocious
Alright lunch time but I don’t have an appetite but I guess I have to feed the kids
I think if we had scored say 20, then the D would have held them to about 17 because of resting and being energized etc.
Whew. I don’t feel like doing jack now. There’s no joy in watching the other games even.
Offense just looks lost. Not just ineffective but lost. Maybe it’s all due to Cutler not being up to play speed but I dunno, no one is getting open, OL is not giving a good pocket. Thomas looks slow and clunky. Ajayi doesn’t seem to be playing with any energy but he hasn’t had a lot of room to run either.
OL looks like shit and you are dead in regarding Thomas
On
We have a good shot of going into the fest week 1-4 for the 2nd consecutive year.
I live in Saints territory so I’ll have a lot of people thinking they’re important with something to say to me tomorrow at work. Lol
Me too, same boat
Piggy I’m not getting into the culter defending or slamming, but he is not the only problem by a long shot. He doesn’t look like he is comfortable. He looks to be playing scared, but the offense isn’t giving him a chance really. It’s fucked up from the ground up. I can’t find one player who is playing well on that side of the ball, not one.
We dont have to rank who is the worstplayer on this team to say Cutler is not a good qb
He never was a good qb in this league
He hasn’t been a good qb for the first 3 games
He’s not going to start now
Moore for QB club!
Im in 🙏🙏
AHHHHHH this smells like some TanneLove! 🙂
For me
Tannehill is out of the picture until 18
I don’t care about Tannehill
But I do care about how bad cutler is
When your offense is this bad
You need to make dramatic moves
And benching the qb might get us a little push in a positive direction
There is no reason to have any loyalty to cutler or think about the future
It’s just an easy move to admit a mistake and move on before a deeper hole is dug
We can salvage the season now
D , teams seem to be concentrated on hitting Ajayi and taking out of game plan early.. he is having to break 2-3 tackles before he hits line of scrimmage, and hust like the Defense he is getting tired and frustrated early and effectively eliminated.
Seems to be a pretty good plan.
Brian: 1-4 at the Fest turned out good last year… not feeling it yet this year . Lets see if we play with some jump against a tough Titans team next week.
I have some errands to do. Going to change out of my Dolphins shirt before I go. No point in advertising I’m an idiot.
D
You know what man, I’m just totally befuddled. I’ve been making excuses for Cutler because he didn’t have a lot of time in this offense, but then I look at other situations in the league, like Jacoby Brissett, who just a couple of weeks went to Indy, and he’s doing better than Cutler, and he has 84 year old Frank Gore as his RB. No more excuses, this offense is just completely inept, and we can’t even get the run game going, which should be our bread and butter. I have to think Gase is not finding ways to get opposing defenses off balance, and we just look like we don’t know what we’re doing out there, very unsure.
3 games and only 2 TD’s. is it me or does it seem like our offense is just a little off ? 🖕
Doggy – Your last 3 yard cigars are worth more than our offense
Should be a lot of fun on the board the next couple days. D is playing better than I expected would Glad dropped Cutler in FF though. 🙂
I also agree with you on Thomas. I’d cut his useless ass. He can’t block worth a shit, and it takes him 2 hours to get past the LOS. Fuck, let MarQueis Gray start, along with Fasano, maybe that will jump start the run game, because Gray can block
I’m benching both Thomas and Cutler next week
And hoping that gives us enough of. Surge to get to .500
I know it seems knee jerky
But you bench cutler
Your try to get a little life into your offense for the TN home game
And if you win you walk away 2-2 instead of waiting for cutler to click with the offense
To me it’s an easy decision
And cutler is a vet
So he should be able to be professional about it
We just ate generating offense with Cutler at the helm
We are lucky it’s not 2 shutouts in a row
The offensive woes start with Cutler but they don’t end there. And yes Tannehill would be an improvement over what we have now but as Piggy said that is irrelevant until 2018. The question now is whether Moore is an improvement?
He’s probably not
But from a week to week basis
I think he might kicks start the offense next week
And give us a better shot to get to .500
If we start Moore next week
It will fade in a few weeks and Moore with be the same old Moore
But it’s not like cutler is going to be our future
So you don’t have to play this balancing of the QBs ego claim you okay with a franchise qb
Cutler has more physical talent but I think Moore can run the offense better right now
The defense is improved and plays with life. The offense is off the charts bad. Until that changes this is where we are. Ugh!
Least seems we have one hole plugged.
Get your finger out of the dyke you pervert
LMAO….even though that is Matt Burke.
I think the NFL is picking on Godchaux. I really do. I thought that defensive holding call was bunch of crap, and they’ve called a couple of other penalties on him in the last few weeks
I guess Tannehill doesn’t have to worry about next year now.
Not sure if I agree with this or not. Lol
I generally agree with it
But I think moved should be made NOW so we don’t get to that place
I am panicking
I don’t think there is much to be done to help this team this year. We lost our starting QB, LG, MLB and CB all before the start of the season. That is just too much to overcome when you are coming out of the gate with that many injuries
Gase should bench his play caller…. Oh wait.
Maybe Gase knows how to get a team out of a funk now after last year and if he does it earlier, then maybe we can be in better shape than starting 1-4, although Atlanta in GA looks like a sure loss.
That game could get fugly quick if we dont fix shit
Sure would be nice to have a bye week. But week 11 would have been way late to help anything.
I mean Tennessee is already down 21 zip to the Texans as Deshaun is 10/12 for 151 and 2 TDs and he has run for once for 9.
Who do we play in the true home opener again?
Ken ugh on that list of losses.
We also lost our DC and have a first year DC, although defense does not seem to be the problem.
D doesn’t look to be the problem they look okay especially against the run. I would like to see more consistent pressure on the QB. I like what I saw in Tankesley today. I think the kid can play.
I’m back and caught up on all the posts. My head hurts from banging it on the desk. Was trying to think of something to say but found myself speechless until I thought of “Our poor D” they kept us in every game until they just got wore out.
Right now 6th rated D in the NFL in points per game. Would be even better rated at points per minute on the field.
Doesn’t this all seem like a rewind of the Philbin years? The defense on the field all day?
Sorta how it works when your O sucks real bad. Only thing will give them now is doesn’t seem the D tires out towards end of game like with Philbin. They are gamers.
I think Bellichek wishes he had our D right about now
WAY TO GIVE US HOPE, ADAM!
1-3 here we come
He did same thing when Tanny was sucking last year and turned out to be the right decision, again, who is the NFL coach here, him or us?
Since shutting the game off early in the 4th quarter, my life has gotten better, a LOT better. We had lunch. We washed one of our dogs. And we got a couple of things done around the house. We are cursing much less!
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I’ve given some thought to HERD’s comments on all the travel and the Hurricane just messing up our season. POSSIBLY, if Ross had chosen to play Miami’s FIRST game vs. the Bucs on Wednesday Night (4 days BEFORE Irma’s arrival), things would have been a lot better. INSTEAD OF BLOWING OUR ONLY BYE WEEK in week one, we likely (in my mind) would have beaten the Bucs (with Doug Martin suspended the first 4 games). THEN, perhaps Friday, the Fins would have flown to California and spent 8 days getting ready for the Chargers (another win in my opinion). These two wins NO DOUBT would have left the team in a positive frame of mind before they had to play at the Jets and in London vs. the Saints. But a different course of action took place. NOT SURE IF the final outcome of these games WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER, but my guess is that they WOULD.
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ON THE DRAFT in ’18: QB must be our first pick. Tanny now fragile and NEVER a top 10 QB. Cutler & Moore not options to start. And we SHOULD get a good QB with a top-5 pick in 2018.
OD — lots of time till the draft…..and we did start 1-4 last year. So maybe we pick later. And Tanny will be back. Long as his knee his healthy he is in the prime age zone.
Players get injured. I wouldn’t say Tannehill is fragile. The approach to the knee injury didn’t work the first time. He’s be an iron man otherwise. He had the surgery and should be good to go next year.
I’m not saying Cutler shouldn’t be benched. Just like last year Tanny deserved to be benched after we went 1-4 and we’re every bit as disgusting in offense as we are now. A lot if you may have forgotten that but I remember it just fine. That’s me as a fan that wants something done now. That was me I last year wanting something done then. That’s a not necessarily the way Gase feels though it wasn’t last year and turns out he knew better than a me/us.
Gase will bench who he wants, and whom he feels deserves it, but I doubt very seriously it’s going to be Cutler, just like last year it wasn’t Tanny.
Gase after game interview didn’t sound like a guy who thinks it’s all Cutler either. He said, like I did, it’s across the board, it’s one person failing to make a play here, another on failing there, so on and so forth. It’s easy to blame the QB for all of it, he even pointed that out, he said only reason Tanny wasn’t being blamed right now us because he wasn’t there to blame. So imo, if you are going to trust in Gase, you have to trust his critique.
They will go back, analyze and make adjustments. He knows he has to do it sooner than later because he waited almost too late last year, so expect to see some adjustments this week, and probably every week after until it gets fixed
He also said that it was because they couldn’t get communication on that play and had to rush things. Cutler had to run to the sideline and then back to get the play than call and execute so he said he felt that messed not just the execution but also what he called.
I’m not worried about the defense. I guess we can nitpick them but they’ve played well enough to win all 3 weeks. The offense has been so bad the last two weeks that’s where the focus needs to be.
Ken, I agree Tankersley can play.
Not making excuses but today’s game was horribly officiated. Let them play a little bit, geez!
Tankersly played really well. Maxwell hasn’t been that good in any game this year.
He and Howard will be our corners of the future.
You either trust Gase or you don’t…. No picking some decisions and not others. If you think this shit it coaching then I see why you feel what he says is wrong, but if you don’t how do you second guess what he is saying?
You can’t correct things if you make changes all over the place. It’s not all on Cutler though he’s not playing well. There’s a lot going on with the offense that doesn’t look right – from play calls, to getting everyone lined up, to execution. They need to figure it out.
This is true. It’s bad play from a unit who is capable of MUCH better
Did you guys catch that Maxwell was out cause he did a hammy thing while warming up? Maybe NFL players are maxed out on their training like a stretched rubber band but….you get the idea.
You normally have things like this in early part of the season. I think it’s because the CBA doesn’t allow for more game like practicing during PS, but that’s what they felt was best I guess
Hammy during warm-up has nothing to do with game time hitting. But maybe he had something going on that he and/or they were hiding. Normally when you warm up and someone drops out it is cause of “not ready to go” from whatever before.
Guys don’t practice like they used to so their bodies aren’t used to playing a lot of snaps. It’s very light in camp.
Sorry D Tannehill was not this bad in our 4 start last year. At least we scored points in those 4 losses.
Yes he was. Just as bad, he came back and made you forget the bad part of his season but it was just as bad.
No I check the box scores on Pro Football reference and I remember the games. He was no where near as bad as Cutler is right now
Tannehill was the best player in the field in the week 2 loss to the patriots
I think your analogy is way off
We are lucky not to be shit out 2 weeks in a row
By teams that a couple of teams really moved the ball well against
It’s not about box scores lol, did you check how many three and outs we had on bad throws by him, how many strip sack fumbles, etc. I can show you a play where he fumbled throwing to no one and then kicked the ball around like he was playing soccer until he eventually lost it out if bounds. He had some incredibly bad plays. He settled out, he started playing better but even Gase said our 1-4 start was worse than we are playing now.
The box scores confirmed we scored points which is better than what we are doing right now
The knock on Tannehill was he didn’t lift the play of others around him up. Right now Cutler is dragging down the likes of Landry, Parker, Stills and Ajayi
How can someone bring anyone else down. I think you are putting way too much of this on him because you don’t like him man.
Actually D I have always liked Cutler. I wanted us to draft him coming out of college. Right now I am watching him shit the field
The Titans have given up 30 points to the Texans in the first HALF!
And had to have an INT with 10 seconds on the 2 just to held them under 40!
Alright I’m done. You guys are right Tanny was friggin awesome during the 1-4 stint last year. I’m stupid and don’t know wtf I’m talking about
D, relax man. People disagreed with you. So what?
Exactly
I don’t really care, Cutler isn’t the answer anyways I not a fan of his, I’m just trying to talk sense into you guys and it’s a big ole whiff on my part. Have at your misery and you pile on to anything that bad being one person. Lol
If I pass for 400 yards but throw a pick or two and fumble 3 times, I guess I wasn’t part of the problem. Box scores don’t tell you a game, that has been proven over and over.
I have never seen this offense play worse other than the years when we didn’t have any talent.
I don’t know why Gase doesn’t stick with more conventional to get Ajayi going rather than these WR groupings all bunched up for 0-5 yards every time. I hate 0 backfield and why did we pass on 1st down inside the 5 when we got picked? We ruined a good opening drive. Please Gase, stop being cute.
Guilty confession…..Will Lutz scored 9 FF points for me today. But heck he plays in a dome with Drew Brees as his QB.
Atlanta losing to BUF in their house. They better turn it around, or we’re in more trouble than we are alreadfy
Julio Jones left the game
I think it’s time for Moore
can’t be less
Me too
Mariotta questionable to return with a hammy
He probably should have called a run on that 1st and goal, but they couldn’t get communication between the people they needed to to get that done. It’s set us into a funk. We never got out.
Not specifically picking on Cutler but in that circumstance you call a timeout. When you are in the red zone you don’t rush plays. You use that time out if you have to and that is on Gase more than Cutler
One note on the OL is that I don’t think Pouncey is completely healthy. He has not played all that well this season
Mariota out of the game, Cassel in
Lets hope it lingers a week
First time I left a game before 0.00 on the clock. Didn’t even see Saints XP. They were there for the taking today but we were abysmal. Yes we arrived Thursday but for me, this team has reverted back to quitters, which is disappointing under Gase.
How he reacts now is key.
Oink and Agreed UK
Too bad you didn’t get to see a better game
ukfinfan — I feel sorry for you most of all today. And last week it was the Metlife Takeover crew. Hope you enjoyed being at a game though.
Sorry you had to experience that performance. I know you look forward to this game. I hope all is well, UK.
Anyone else wandering your neighborhood trying to decide what to do for the rest of Sunday?
Yep. My wife is giving me a list to do but the only thing I want to do is go Hulk
Thats when ya hope a chainsaw ir an axe is involved in the to do list
LOL
I found a spot to eat brunch and have a drink
I have my laptop at home for work
But I’m too angry
So…
No more homer plays for me in fantasy. I played Cutler instead of Cam Newton. SMH at myself
Wtf
Well I thought the Saints have a shitty and I thought Cutler was due and Cam has been playing like shit this year so far so I went with the homer call. Then again last week I thought the Ravens D against the Jags was a good call too
My thing we criticizing the OL
Is that the whole thing kinda comes apart when you start trailing in a game
But Tunsil has been smelly poop so far
Go Cam go Cam….maybe the division is the way to the post-season.
NE gives up 30 to Carolina.
Mike E. says:
October 1, 2017 at 2:49 pm (Edit)
Atlanta losing to BUF in their house. They better turn it around, or we’re in more trouble than we are alreadfy
******
You know you suck when you start rooting for teams to win 2 weeks before you play them so they don’t take their frustration out on you
Mike,
I remember basically being laughed at for suggesting during the preseason that it was quite possible that Buffalo could finish 2nd ahead of us in the division. I don’t think anyone is laughing now…
I’m still laughing
It keeps me from crying
Buffalo isn’t a good team
Their D is looking better and better each week.
They will always be 💩 To me
Thankfully ATL just tied it up, and will probably win. Jets will be 2 games ahead of us after today, think about that
I will be furious if Brady has another 4th qtr comeback
Go Falcons
Keep the AFC East shitty!
We are averaging a shade over 8 points per game, and are one missed, makable FG from sitting at 0-3.
Everyone is blaming the offense. How about a defense that can force more than 2 three and outs a game? One that recognizes screens before they are ten yards down the field?
Well it was a shutout this week and very close to a shutout last week
We’re totally devoid of playmakers on defense. That’s where I’d be looking in next year’s draft, along with a freaking TE. Tim to finally invest a young TE, and stopp putting these shitty band aids on the position, like Jordan Cameron and Julius Thomas.
Agree with Mike E that we need more impact plays on D
We should have a better pass rush gof en the emphasis and the talent there
I didn’t see Anthony at all today
Not sure if he played
Timmons made 1 play but I didn’t see him
Tankserly almost made a great play and played well
Howard has been shaky
Allen does nothing
Jones seems to be coming around but was MIA for first 2 games and first half
The D well enough to win. They got tired at the end of the game from being on the field too long but holding a Brees led team to 20 points is not a bad days work
Texans shellacking the Titans. They’re gonna be pissed as hell. Our team may just be pouting
Our QB is known for his pouting. I know that I am just beating up on him unfairly but I couldn’t help myself
I wasn’t even talking about Cutler. We got beat up by the Jets, and this is the effort we come back with? Not good
I said safety was a problem from the start. By the time TJ McDonald’s suspension is over, we could be eliminated already. I knew Allen sucked
Piggy
Almost made a great play? Like Cutler almost threw a TD to Thomas? lol
Like I almost had a reason for getting up early on a Sunday
Yeah, like that, you and all of us
But seriously Tankersly played well despite being targeted a lot
He did play well, that was good to see. Still, we juts don’t seem to have anyone who makes game changing plays
It is really bad when you start to expect your offense to go two and out. We should just keep the guys from getting hurt and punt on first down.
If we’re lucky, Mariota’s hammy won’t be healed by next Sunday’s game, so we may just lose 9-0
Who made the decision to cut Darr in favor of Haack
How bad has Haack been
He is a hack
Thanks Piggy and Stanger. Any live game is a bonus, but the flip side of that is watching a team fail to live up to potential in person is more painful than on a screen. We should all be used to it by now but we still take Wanny’s cheese every year.
Had a rib eye steak and a bottle of Shiraz to console myself…….. seems to be working. Signing out now as I have a 3 day business trip and I’m recording all games so don’t want any spoilers. Keep the faith and FU all 🙂
Oh we got F’d plenty this morning
Patriots about to tie against the Panthers
And there it is . . .
Hey how bout some Cyanide on top of your Sunday shit sand which ?
Almond like flavor probably makes it taste better
Carolina missed an extra point earlier in the game
Bills going to win today too. Yeah, juts like we expected, last place, behind Bills, Jets and Patriots. FUCK !!!!!!!!!
Jumped the gun, JAX tied it up in the Jets game. Oddly, I want the Jets to win.
Never root for the jests
The jags may win the south
Well at least the Pats lost
Takes a bit of the sting out of the day fo’sure.
Not much. I am still pretty green
Jets Jags in OT
Man does Borttles suck
Nice punt by Jags
It’s been a very sup par brand of football so far this year and a lot of inconsistency from teams week to week. As bad as our offense looks, 1-2 is not a death sentence. Our defense can compete. They need some support.
Btw,
Tanny 16/29 186. 5 sacks one a strip sack
32/45 345 2/2 1 strip sack fumble
25/39 319 3/2 1 strip sack fumble
15/25 189 1/1 5 sacks 1 strip sack fumble
12/18 191 0/2 6 sacks no fumbles
Cutler
24/33 230 1/0 2 sacks no fumbles
26/44 220 1/1 3 sacks no fumbles
20/28 164 0/1 4 sacks 1 strip sack fumble
I’m sorry just staring at the stats I’m not seeing a major difference. The pats game was garbage time stats. They had a very big halftime lead where or offense had nothing but 3 and outs, after halftime they let us funk and dunk ourselves back into it with Landry and Parker taking short stuff for big gains. Other than that we had overtime game with overtime additional stats against an awful Cleveland team, out only win.
Also end of the day,been were 1-4, so again were we really better than now? I don’t think you can stretch that belief far enough to make it true
We scored points in all those games. We averaged more than 8?points a game in that stretch
To me last year has nothing to do with this year anyway. This debate really has no merit for me. Not sure why you guys even go here. You can’t imagine what it might have been because that’s all it is, it’s imaginary. Some people feel Tannehill would have been better than Cutler, you don’t, then there is me and I’m sure others who don’t see the point.
As fans, shouldn’t we focus on what this team needs to do to get better? Tannehill won’t be a part of that on the field anyway.
Look how many turnovers Tanny has to Cutler, look. How many sacks he took. You guys are absolutely giving Tanny a break on his failures. Let Cutler get further along before you sell this season and him short. Yes he is a pouter, but Gase might get him back on track and if he doesn’t we get to draft a QB and not worry about either of them, we can have a brand new guy for us to bitch about
Look at all the points Cutler scored. At the end of the day it is about points on the board and Cutler is failing miserably much worse than what Tannehill was doing in the same stretch last year
patsies* lose
Lmao
Same ol same ol
They stink right now. BAD
My favorite…..
3rd and inches and lets fucking run from shotgun!
How can a pro NFL coach make that call?
wHOO WON??
Patriots lost.
What if we change this blog to support the Texans instead of that wimpy team we used to like?
Tankersley looked good. I read somewhere, it could have even been here, that his response to being told he was starting was, ‘about damn time’. I like his spirit. Sounds like something I would have said. In fact, I say that all that time. lol
He had a great game. When I saw him in, I watched him pretty close a deal he looked good. Looked a lot better than you would expect a rookie in his first game would look
So last year has nothing to do with this year but you guys keep bringing up how much better at QB than LAST YEAR. You bring up box scores so I show you the box scores, and I get well we scored more points which is an entire offenses responsibility. Choose you argument and stick to it, stop rolling to another when I prove you other one isn’t solid,not hell just be respectful and admit I have a good point
But D when the argument that the offensive woes were on the whole offense not just Tannehill and people went ballistic in response to that. Why does Cutler get the benefit of the doubt on that and Tannehill didn’t. Tannehill is not an elite QB but he is a capable NFL QB who I think has been unfairly treated by many Phin fans
I’m not saying it wasn’t bad on us for doing it to Tanny, obviously it was. I’m saying same place different QB. Just give it some time
I think you are misjudging the intention of my argument
Gase is clearly going to give him more time and I understand that but I am pretty disappointed with what I have seen with him to date. Let’s hope Gase is right
I said your first point but I have not been making the comparisons. You’re lumping me in with Ken and Piggy. I think the point is moot. What’s wrong with the 2017 offense?
Actually I’m not pulling you into this I’m talking to Ken and Piggy lol. You want some too?..lol
Gase is becoming too Lazor for me. What I would do as HC or OC would be to hone in on my talent and use it. I line up 2-TE as my base for blocking for Ajayi, protection and also passing options. Then rotate my top 3 WRs and use them more vertically. Ajayi doesn’t go down easy with a head of steam. Not much he can do being hit in the backfield or at the LOS. I start with getting him going then strike deep – not meaning bombs but throws beyond 10 yards. That’s deep these days. LOL
Gase has us sinking behind the LOS too much just like Lazor did. It’s like an addiction for these OC guys these days. Parker and Stills are vertical guys. Landry is a Swiss Army knife. Ajayi is a punishing runner. Use it.
Jets win. Fuck
How awful are they…..
Pretty awful but so is Jacksonville
Jacksonville dog stomped Baltimore
And Texans who almost beat the Pats
It’s a weird year but watching Borttles was painful. I don’t see Jax being a contender with him at QB
NFL is all upside down this year. Pats losing g to people they shouldn’t, almost could be 1-3. Jets just won against a red-hot jag team. All kinda crazy stuff happening
Yep! We still have time. LOL
See above. Jets beat the jags who beat Houston who almost beat the Pats and just dog stomped the Titans who beat the Seahawks….yadda yadda yadda
Jets and Bills will not be in the playoffs…..am rooting for them every week they ain’t playing us.
Ken I’m disappointed too but I’m disappointed in the entire offense it’s bad from bottom up
I’m kinda disappointed in Gase too
We had a lot strikes against us this year with injuries so I can’t just blame it all on Gase or Cutler or any one thing but I still expected better than this
I about posted something bothering other day about out possible draft possibility base on what might happen but it’s too early for that so I abstained. Still when I was working it out I realized, this year unlike my years might have a person picking in the 12-15 range that has 6 wins. Usually it’s 7-8 to pick there but everyone is shooting for 8-8 this year it seems lol
Something the other day I meant
D, I said “To me last year has nothing to do with this year anyway.” That’s what I thought you were referring to.
The 2017 offense has to figure it out because they’re not even competitive right now. All Tannehill can do is be a voice and express some solutions based on what he’s seeing.
The team needs a meeting of the minds moment. I really feel basic football centered around the best players on offense is the key. The 3 WRs are not the best offense, getting Ajayi going is priority #1. Then strike with those skill guys. We need 7-7 hats more and less 5-6 hats on 7. We’re losing in the trenches. Can’t survive that way.
It sorta was then, i guess. Just not directly. My reply was saying then why is everyone making it about last year’s QB being better. I was saying the argument started out like that, I didn’t take it there, infact I was trying show it wasn’t and better, putrid is putrid and even Gase didn’t feel this year was worse.
Either way I think we are back to being in agreement we suck right now and our whole offense sucks and nothing this team is doing right now, at least on offense, is acceptable.
Defense is improving, and I think tankersly is a big part of it. They need to get McCain too while they are at it. He isn’t very good. I think Verner sucked on the outside, but I think he is better than McCain in the slot, I’d rather have him in the slot against NE than McCain. McTyer might deserve a shot as well.
It will be interesting to see if we continue on a current arc and wind up tanking this season and Tannehill does have a clean bill of health but we have a shot to get one of the top 2-3 QBs in the upcoming draft what do we do? There will be some good QBs in this years draft
That’s a long way down the road. But if we pick top 10 or even 10-15 might come into play. Tanny will at least have a clean bill of health coming into the draft though.
John Jerry sucking for the Giants. I guess our OL could be worse
There will be good QB’s all over the first 2 rounds of the draft!
Not that I’m saying we need one!!!!!
But one will be there!
It is going to be a good year for QBs. If we have a high pick it may be too good to pass up but I don’t know how that sits with the vets who want to win now
“I’m one of the leaders of the offense and right now it’s unacceptable the way our offense is playing. The defense is doing a great job. When our defense is playing like that you’ve got to go out there and make plays and help those guys out.”
— Mike Pouncey
Great, you’ve zeroed in on the problem, now do it, and stop talking about it!
This is easily the craziest start to a season across all teams in the NFL I think I have ever seen. There is only one undefeated team left and it’s week 4 and JC has to play a hot Redskins team Monday.
I know everyone talks about Darnold, but I really like Rosen. He is tough and is putting up very good numbers with no o-line and not much in receivers. …Both will probably go in the top 5 though.
Risen seems more refined, a little less wow factor. I like Luke Faulk a lot.
The Fitzgerald kid at Mississippi State is much better than the last two games have made him look. He is all they have in offense so it’s hard for him to get anything going since all a team has to do is shut him down. He needs to stay at State another year imo.
There are so many pretty good candidates and just a couple of possible start right away that we could get a guy in the third even and it be a possible starter in a year. We have to get someone, because it’s only a possibility that if Tanny comes back that he doesn’t have some regression from his year off.
D, not sure what the big issue is with McCain. It’s not like he’s being torched for TDs. He’s doing his job and it’s not easy inside with what teams run. He actually helps on plays he had nothing to do with making tackles. We’re not giving up a lot of points. The offense is doing nothing to support the defense. Nothing!!! 6 points (TD and missed XPT at the end of the game) in the last 8 quarters. It can’t be much worse.
The defense isn’t great but they’re sound. The offense is so bad I can’t even focus on defense now.
This is the first time the secondary has looked good and he was the weak link there. That tackle they credited for was pure luck that kamara lost his footing on the wet field. He had penalties against him that hurt us, he missed some coverages on kamara that cost us and he has always been a weakness in the secondary he us topped out and with most teams working the slot, he just doesn’t give us the quality we need there.
McCain was all over the place and plays STs. Lead the team in tackles with 7 and sacrificed his body on that shot he took cutting a guy down. He also had an impact on the missed FG in LA. He’s an unfair whipping boy in my eyes. I’m not worried about him or the defense the way it’s constructed.
We punted 6 times, lost the TOP battle by almost 10 minutes – dominated in the 2nd half, and scored 0 points. Bobby McCain is not the problem.
Thanks everyone,
I fell better now so I am shooting for a comback this week
Who the hell are we playing 🙂
Titans who just got reamed by Houston
Our OL looks average. A lot if teams have worse than we have. They aren’t doing great, but they arent looking like a sieve either. All the offensive units need a good tweaking but aren’t just completely awful. We just don’t have anyone helping carry us either. Landry has been that guy for us but even he isn’t doing much this year. He us dropping a ton of passes
We look worse than we have in quite some time in the run game. We aren’t giving Ajayi a chance on far too many runs
The run defense is sound Tim, pass defense has been weak in first two games. This is the first time we can’t count them as part of the problem.
Points! 17, 20 and 20 with very little support on offense. I’m not worried about the defense and they could get better. Lots of new faces coming down the road.
only 3 disrespectful anthem kneelers this week for Miami?……from the crybaby offices of Thomas, Stills and Thomas….how ironic would it be for one or all of them sustain a spinal injury?……think about it……sitting in a wheel chair WISHING they could STAND for the anthem…..oh the irony of it all…….they would get to experience what a soldier feels like after being road side bombed by some fucking terrorist……
C’mon man, that’s way over the top. I get it you take exception to it despite the fact they say the protest has nothing to do with the military, but wishing a spinal injury on anyone is disgusting
where did I say I wish it?
It’s insinuated in what you said, leave it at that
never assume bro…..you know how the rest goes.
Top — think it great that most seem to have gotten over the whole politics after it became an issue before. Just back to football. You watch the game? Now that is something to get mad about.
Mike E……yeah,,,they don’t mean DISRESPECT to the military……but they are still disrespecting AFTER being told that their actions are disrespectful…those fucking retards don’t get it…..find another way or venue…….and stop disrespecting our nation’s anthem and flag.
I didnt see anyone protesting the military, but Fox Sports always sells anthem time for advertisements, and don’t normally show the anthem.
Did Fox diss the military too for making millions of dollars during the anthem instead of standing?
Love ya brah, but I don’t think anyone is disrespecting the military, or I would call them out for sure.
how am I not shocked that you wouldn’t understand?……lol.
Who said they are protesting the military?
Like I said, show me someone that claimed they are dissing the military, and I’m on Your side for sure, I will call em out
Speaking of Julius Thomas, what a waste of a pick up that has been. We need to draft a young TE next year.
Jump on the Mike E bandwagon
Yessir! I’ve only been saying that for possibly 6 years. We never seem to take it seriously, just keep putting leaky band aids on it.
“The D well enough to win. They got tired at the end of the game from being on the field too long but holding a Brees led team to 20 points is not a bad days work.”
2 three and outs. Can’t stop a screen pass. D is not playing well enough to win.
Disagree on that one. This D is better than what I thought it would be, not that was hoping for much. Still 6th best in points allowed per game even though the O keeps throwing them out over and over again.
There is definitely room for improvement especially in terms of impact plays such as sacks and take aways but they are keeping the other team out of the end zone. They are definitely not why we lost
I suspect if our offense would have been better
Our defense would have looked even worse
Top
Guys like Stills are actually doing something about it. They have met with Tony Dungy and others, and have gone into the inner cities to have meetings with police and community leaders. That’s accomplishing something, not just empty gesture protesting. As far as I’m concerned, they’re just trying to bring awareness to the issue, and as long as they are following up and doing something about it, it’s a good thing. Have you ever been to a football game? Have you not seen drunken a-holes cursing and laughing and totally not paying attention to the anthem? Why is that not disrespecting the military, or the anthem? They’re trying to promote unity, not divisiveness.
Top
I don’t have to assume. It’s just not right even bringing that up. That’s like me saying wouldn’t it be ironic if Top Secret went on to the football field to prevent one of the players from protesting and the player tackled him and Top Secret got a concussion and then got CTE? You know what I mean? It’s just unnecessary.
funny, I don’t see the irony….TOP SECRET attempts to prevent disrespect to the flag and the anthem but gets fucked up by the disrespectful player/players instead…wow, I guess that’s disrespectful players – 2, TOP SECRET – 0…not a good day for patriotism.
Top
Let’s drop it. It’s not worth discussing at length. Let’s get back to football, although I’d prefer not to talk about our team right now, it’s brutal.
That’s like saying we can keep all the fish we want, but there is only a quarter inch slot limit, lol. Jk
It’s definitely possible to drop it and we ALL should
Np 😎
My intent was only a lighthearted joke, hope it didn’t come off different? I think about fishing all the time, my bad on that
Mike E….yes drunken assholes do disrespect the flag and anthem….but they are not endorsed by the league and it’s owners to do so…….and please explain this to poor david……I don’t give a fuck what the players SAY their intentions are……their ACTIONS are disrespectful and offensive, to most of us who have served……PERIOD.
They claim to be protesting something else, You don’t listen, then assume.
Got it
Top
Check your mail
I think the Dolphins are tired, mentally and physically. The travel, hurricane, road games, losing the bye, losing Tannehill, it’s just becoming a mountain of adversity, and no bye to rewind and get back on track.
There are no easy answers at this point, We have to play the cards dealt, and find a way
If the offense picks it up and starts playing well and the defense than tanks it, I will post pics of the shards of glass sticking out of me because I jumped out a window. LOL
lol settle down, don’t do anything rash, lol
Thomas set up 1st and goal at the 4 with a 23 yard gain. We fucked that up by passing on 1st down. Gase, just go with what you have. Run the ball there. Come on man!
Personally I was okay with the pass on 1st down
It was just really poorly executed
Forced even
Run it and you probably score even if not on 1st but 2nd. Impose your will there go big and power run it with a guy who doesn’t go down easy when he’s got some tread. It’s not rocket science. This is the kind of thing that sets teams back. You play tricky instead of physical when it’s there for the taking. I’m really disappointed in Gase the last two weeks. I think he’s a bit lost right now as a play-caller. Too much on his plate.
Still time to rebound. We have to see it.
I think Gase has been too cute and trying to establish certain things
In this case getting Thomas involved
Last week it felt like we wanted to get Ajayi a big game
I think the offense is just struggling to find an identity
well…I guess I’ve said my piece……you all have a peaceful evening……it wasn’t my attentions to offend anyone.
Peace and respect Your way brah, no offense here 😎
D says:
October 1, 2017 at 5:38 pm
Rosen seems more refined, a little less wow factor. I like Luke Faulk a lot.
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Yea, Faulk is solid and he protects the ball. Another guy to watch is Thorson from Northwestern. Good kid with a very good arm.
Watched Thorson yesterday vs Wisconsin. The physical skills are all there but he will need time at the next level. I watched him make a horrible play at the end of the game that resulted in a safety that effectively ended the game. He just held the ball when he didn’t have to
Agreed, he will need some time. …But that is why he is projected in the early 2nd round
Good night Top – Please check your email – Thanks
I have 🙂
OK, cool. Thanks man!
Even though they may be protesting social injustice it’s time to release the American flag from being a hostage in all this. The military and the flag have nothing to do with these issues it’s just their way of getting attention. It’s bad for the fans, it’s bad for the military and it’s bad for business.
Time to let it go and find another way to protest.
It’s sad.
ding ding ding…….now i’m out….like the fat kid in dodgeball.
Pouncey is expected to need hip replacements t surgery in the next 5-10 years
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article176442076.html
That sucks.
With that said, we really need to start looking for a future replacement. There are a few guys we should look at in next year’s draft. …2nd/3rd red prospects. They can always sit a year or be a backup at OG/C.
Yeah
I don’t think it’s an immediate need
And I don’t think it needs a high pick in 18
But it does look like the clock on his career is ticking
He might retire soon
He has not looked like he has a couple years ago
I haven’t really noticed Pouncey to be honest
Tunsil and Bushrod haven’t really looked good imo
So far I still think Darnold is the best QB in the draft
I suck at evaluating colleg qbs
He’ll most likely go #1.
I agree but this year he hasn’t been as good
He’s pressing a bit and making some bad throws. Rosen is the one I really like. …A Tough pocket passer with good field vision, great mechanics, strong arm, and who can actually take a snap under center.
Fwiw Top you didn’t offend me
I’m never really offended by anything
But I’m a little worried with people at each other’s throats after 2 losses in a row
This blog will be miserable if that happens
tone and the way we all speak to each other can prevent that
I have to watch myself as well
We all have to watch ourselves
Dolphins lost, but have our lives drastically changed over it? lol. No
It sucks, but can’t let it kill off my positive thinking. Sometimes it’s best to just let things go, and look to next week and regroup. First REAL home game of the year might make a differance!
Hunter Henry just made a fantastic TD catch. Sure would be nice to have a good young TE
Lol, I agree.
The offense looked better at the end of year with Moore than it does this year with cutler
It did but not sure I trust Moore to run an offense for more than a handful of games. I think his limitations will become more obvious. Then again hard to do much worse than what we are currently doing
Ajayi didn’t have a good game either. 3rd and inches wtf was that. I think drake should get more snaps
Ajayi was fine they just didn’t give him the ball enough
I was hoping Ajayi would get a carry or two to finish our first drive in the end zone, get the goose egg off the board early
It would have been a great storyline, English player gets the first TD
I think the int at the end of the first drive really took a lot out of the offense. I was so bummed. That just was a terrible call on 1st down. Thomas is not that good anymore
Agreed, that was JTrain time
And the penalties killed us. I don’t remember a more undisciplined team. Both offense and defense. Come on Gase
Gase… please go bread and butter and not all the other weird shit you think about. LOL
Get back to basics with your best players. What you’re doing now isn’t working. Yes?
I hate all you douchebags! Phins suck!
Carry on
Seems Philbin is back! All the shit he and RT17 got/get, at least they frickin scored.
And is it against the rules to throw more than 5 yds down the field? Or does every pass have to be at the line of scrimmage!
Now carry on. 🙂
Mike E. says:
October 1, 2017 at 6:53 pm
Hunter Henry just made a fantastic TD catch. Sure would be nice to have a good young TE
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Quick-hit observations on Offense…
1) Our O-Line is pathetic in pass-pro: we’re on track for 48 sacks over 16 games WITH Cutler’s superior pocket-presence.
2) Our O-Line is pathetic in run-blocking: 3.2 YPC through 3 games with 0 TD runs.
3) While Cutler’s CMP% is nice (67% through 3 games), his YDS/ATT are WAY down (nearly 2 yards per attempt): WHY are we playing ‘dink-and-dunk’ with his cannon arm?
4) Ajayi’s 3.8 YPC today are NOT for a lack of trying very hard in front of his fellow Londoners. This O-Line is pathetic and Pouncey isn’t looking good (doubt he’s going to make it through this season, as I’ve predicted).
5) Kenny Stills is averaging 5 Yds/reception LESS this year (11.2) than his career average (16.6).
6) Julius Thomas is averaging nearly 2 Yds/reception LESS this year (8.9) than his career average (10.8) and his 2-year average in JAX (9.7).
7) Jarvis Landry is averaging nearly 4 Yds/reception LESS this year (6.7) than his career average (10.3)
8) I saw a stat citing that the 3-game Offensive scoring output this year is lesser than ANY 3-game stretch of Joe Philbin’s tenure here… OUCH.
9) The play-calling is absolutely horrific from Adam Gase… it’s as though Dan Henning has taken over his brain and we even saw the ‘Wildcat’ today (where Cutler took the play off while on the field).
— I stand by Adam Gase keeping Cutler as the starter into next week, but I’d keep Cutler on a very short leash. What does that mean? If Cutler isn’t the answer after 4 games (1/4 of the season), it’s time to start Matt Moore, JMO.
— At his current rate of play, Ja’Wuan James won’t be here next year to collect his roughly scheduled $9.3M, after exercising his 5th-year option this past off-season.
— Jarvis Landry and his agent are not going to be able to capitalize on a new contract at his current production… not Jarvis’ fault, either.
— Has Adam Gase intentionally ‘dumbed-down’ the Offense to gain Cutler more familiarity with his new teammates in order to avoid early-season turnovers? If so, when do the training wheels come off? It’s time to let Cutler air it out… he looked good in the preseason, IMO.
1) Same old story
2) Same old story
3) Same old story
4) Same old story
5) Receivers don’t seem to be getting open as much this season. Whether that is due to a lack of chemistry with Cutler, Cutler shitting the bed, the OL woes or all of the above I just don’t know.
6) He needs to see less playing time and Marquis Gray needs more.
7) Defenses seem to be handling him well this season.
8) The offense is the worst I can remember seeing in all of my years watching this team.
9) Agreed. Stop getting cute and just run the plays we are good at (if any right now). That cute shit only works if the offense is clicking with normal plays.
We should have drafted Deshaun
You have to get the best talent
He’s looked as green as can be other than here and there. But I do think he’ll be good.
Cutler is a drag
Drinking like Jahndoh last night
Not that good shit though
Suh hasn’t hurt his chances at DPOY but didn’t enhance a case either
Tied with NE in the loss column
Had to work a convention for our clinic.. they had an NFL section where they played the games on big screen for all the guys who got ‘dragged’ to the event.
This section was right behind our booth!!! so I got to see the game after all. Kinda’ wish I had an excuse NOT to see it.
Matt Moore deserves a shot at this. It can’t get any worse.
Lol rivers told the media they asked three questions in a row there they answered the questions in the question the asked him. It’s silly sometimes to hear the questions they ask. Like guaranteed they will ask how do you feel about this loss…. Wtf really lol
The refs really made our game a shit show. We probably would have scored 6-10 points if it wasn’t for them.
There were definitely some bad calls
That holding call on Godchaux was awful. He got pancaked in an intentional double team.
I guess I know what the ref thought happened. He thought Godchaux pulled the double-teaming guard in, thereby opening the hole for Jones to shoot the gap and make the easy tackle, but the guard went to Godchaux on his own. Terrible call.
There were a handful of other bad ones, including one later in the same drive on a 3rd down stop (two 3rd down fuck you Dolphins calls on that drive, smh.)
Even without the refs, our offense has issues. Cutler’s arm looked live today, but his play still stunk.
Oh well, we started 1-4 last year, maybe we can turn it around.
LOL I think that about says it all
lol, it’s a shame too, because our defense didn’t play that bad.
M13, superior pocket presence from Cutler? That sack and fumble was bad stuff. He’s not really ready to play. Game one was not the norm. I don’t blame Cutler only for the overall offense woes, but he’s a big part of it. He looks sluggish. The OL has been sub par but also put in bad situations that Gase has to take some blame for.
Gase has to have a meeting of the minds and figure this out before the hole gets too deep.
I thought Cutler played a good game, right up until the INT.
That was about it.
I don’t think you start Moore at all and I’m almost certain unless Cutler gets hurt, Gase won’t start him in place of Cutler.
I’m thinking maybe Gase should let someone else call plays. That whole wildcat play? What was that? It took them forever and ever to run it, not like they were fooling anyone or catching then by surprise. If I can see what they’re doing, good chance the opponent is on top of it too. And Cutler just stands there with his hands on his hips like he’s waiting for an elevator or something.
mf13ss says:
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8) I saw a stat citing that the 3-game Offensive scoring output this year is lesser than ANY 3-game stretch of Joe Philbin’s tenure here… OUCH.
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Ugh, that is the suckiest thing I’ve heard so far. “OUCH” says it all.
It’s pretty nice to watch the Pets play like normal teams do and look very beatable. That D is atrocious right now.
They are prime for the taking but our offense is on vacation somewhere. WTF?!!!!
Buffalo is ready to pounce.
I bet Bellicheck wishes he had our D
Lol, he’d probably do a straight up defense swap with anybody in the league right now.
Tim Knight says:
October 1, 2017 at 8:30 pm
M13, superior pocket presence from Cutler? That sack and fumble was bad stuff. He’s not really ready to play…
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Re-watch that play. Ja’Wuan James nearly got Cutler killed. There was absolutely nothing Cutler could have done on that one given play other than just falling down. At least he didn’t get cute and force a throw that could have resulted in an INT.
I DO feel that Cutler has a tremendous feel for the pocket… he’s got that buzzer going off in the back of his head and automatically knows when to step up or sidestep. I’m not sure we’ve had a QB with as much pocket-presence since Marino… but that’s JMO.
His pocket presence is much better that we are accustomed to. I’m not sure his is great, but it’s a lot better than Tanny that has almost no pocket presence. Brady, Brees, etc are all much better than Cutler
They had Harris lined up as a 3 tech DT today. That’s crazy. I don’t know what they were thinking but he didn’t get much push from there and he got a penalty, a BS one, another time. That roughing call on Suh was bullshit too, he didn’t touch his head, was a shot to the chest, perfectly legal
Oh my… Cutler is all that. He looks done is how he looks. 6 points in 8 quarters. What are we watching? The offense looks bad but he’s part of it. It starts with the HC/OC for me. Gase has to dial it back and roll with the best players he has, not his ultimate desire.
My problem with Cutler is that he looks like he doesn’t care right now. There is no urgency in his game. He is taking every snap right down to the wire of the play clock even when we are behind. I thought we were supposed to be this up tempo no huddle offense. We look sluggish as all hell
He seems to be playing scared to me. He doesn’t seem collected as he did in the first game. He isn’t setting his feet and he has an unsettled look to him as he sits in the pocket. He bailed out completely on one play, prepped for the sack before he was out of options. Other time I saw him adjust his feet like 10 times like he was trying to find a passing land and yet getting ready to scramble over and over.
Can’t you objective? Does Cutler have to suck at everything for you to agree. If I say he has better pocket presence than Tanny, but still say isnt on the level of great as say Brees or Brady, you have to lose your cool over that? No one is saying he’s great dude.
IMO Cutler doesn’t look any better in a collapsing pocket than Tanny does. There were one or two plays I said to myself ‘Tanny escapes that with his mobility’. But I also figure Tanny may have taken a sack that Cutler didn’t take today because of Cutler’s better awareness. To me it’s a wash.
I think D overstated Tannehill lack of pocket presence. I will admit it was a problem his first couple of seasons but I think he was consistently improving the last couple of seasons to the point where I didn’t think it was a significant issue last season.
That all said I would agree that over his career Cutler has displayed better pocket presence than Tannehill but I am not sure I see that right now
Ken he took like 13 sacks in first 4 games last year, of which he had 4 strips. He might as well have been blind to his right side. He would never see it coming. Tanny still has horrible pocket awareness, and holds the ball way longer than he should. He also doesn’t know when to just throw it away. He has tons of athletic ability but he statues in the pocket.
Tanny isn’t even aware the pocket is collapsing that’s why he gets stripped so much. He had at least one strip sack in 4 of the 5 games last year when we were 1-4. He take sacks a lot if time he didn’t have to because he doesn’t move in the pocket. There is an undeniable difference, even I’ll agree Cutler only above average in the pocket and certainly not on the level of the top QBs in the league
I think it’s grossly overstating it to say Tanny isn’t aware the pocket is collapsing. I personally agree with Ken that may have been true his first couple of years, but last year was a significant improvement. I thought he was about average in that dept last year. He still has lapses, and I agree Cutler has better instinctual awareness. I still think Tanny doesn’t take two of the sacks Cutler took today.
He did have that run with some strip sacks some of them was because he was fighting not to go down. That said it was an area that dramatically improved I can recall several plays where he showed great pocket presence in avoiding a sack and making plays down field. The one that stands out to me is the deep ball to Gray against the Steelers last year.
Tim Knight says:
October 1, 2017 at 8:53 pm
Oh my… Cutler is all that. He looks done is how he looks. 6 points in 8 quarters. What are we watching? The offense looks bad but he’s part of it. It starts with the HC/OC for me. Gase has to dial it back and roll with the best players he has, not his ultimate desire.
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Nah, Bro… I don’t think anybody thinks Cutler is “all that”.
Like YOU, I think it all starts with the HC/OC. IMO, Gase is dialing things back to make life easier for Cutler… and I do NOT agree with it, either. Let Cutler rip the ball like he’s used to doing (we saw it work nicely in the preseason).
There’s enough blame to go around… from the play-calling, to the QB, to the O-Line, to the fact we have so many new players trying to get used to playing with one another.
Tannenbaum and Grier are certainly not without guilt.
So have extra high level QBs, LBs and whomever hanging around? Not sure where you’re going there.
D, please enough of the Cutler vs. Tannehill stuff. Let it go!!! I’m talking about the 2017 team minus Tannehill. What’s the point?
We scored 6 points (1 TD – missed XPT) the last 8 quarters. What does Tannehill have to do with it?
Ok do you can state what you will but I can’t. Thanks Mr post Nazi.
I replied to what M13 said, you jumped on it then make a post like this. Fuck you dude.
Others are posting about Tanny vs culter and you single me out. Fuck you a second time.
Who gives you the right. Either read and ignore or read and reply without telling people what they can and can’t post. I’m equally tired of your bullshit about how Tanny is Jesus walking on water when he isn’t.
Cutler may not be the answer but Tanny has never proven he us either. You can’t take that go cuddle with your Tanny doll and have a better night ok. Otherwise, as previously stated, fuck off.
D:
Chill man we all have our opinions and nobody is telling anybody what they can or can’t post. Emotions are running hot today because we played like shit again. Tim is a good guy as are you I would hope everyone can express their differences of opinions civilly.
I have a busy day tomorrow so it is time for me to go cuddle with my Tanny doll. LOL I actually liked that line. Peace
Goodnight folks! Have at it. LOL
LET US BE HONEST with something… our O-Line is PATHETIC.
Seems as though Laremy Tunsil’s testicles have yet to drop as an NFL LT, Anthony Steen isn’t the answer at LG, Mike Pouncey’s days are numbered (he’s been playing very poorly over the last two games), Jermon Bushrod isn’t a spring chicken in only his second year at RG, and Ja’Wuan James is becoming a 1st Round BUST at RT.
Dammit… OLD DOLFAN and I WARNED about this.
It just seems like this team has too many glaring holes to be in win-now mode.
I think it’s a bit hard to evaluate the OL when we end up falling behind by multiple scores
The OL was fine on the first series of the game and was running the ball well
3rd and 4th qtr though they looked bad
But we weren’t running anymore
Plus I don’t think it helps that cutler is letting the play clock go to the last second
Ugh, I started debating Tanny. My bad. Hahaha, I have no desire to rehash this right now when he won’t be a factor to this team until next year, lol. Have a good night, ya’ll! 🙂
The Tannehill vs Cutler debate is a legit one to have, IMO. WHY? Because even though Tanny is out for this season, Cutler is battling for a starting job against him come 2018.
I see no harm and no foul in trying to figure out who the better QB is in the Gase system… BUT IT’S STILL TOO EARLY after a mere 3 games. That, and we don’t know if Tannehill will ever be 100% again.
Time shall reveal, and there’s still plenty of football to be played for Cutler as there is time for Tanny to successfully recover.
Track these matters, but nobody (including Adam Gase himself) can make a definitive call RIGHT NOW. Too early, gents.
Right now Cutler should be battling to stay on the ’17 roster
Is that right? Not sure I agree.
It’s a bit tongue in cheek
But if his is as good as he is – no question he’s gone in ’18
We don’t really have too much of a choice now but to ride with him
Personally I would pull him for Moore with the option to play him again later in the year and give him a second chance
But looks like Gase is sticking with him for now
But
Honestly, to make a Super Bowl run in the near future, I don’t think our QB is on the field or on the sideline right now.
Ken before I wind up getting to a place I just did with Tim I’ll tell you I don’t agree that Tanny has good pocket presence, and that’s my observation on it. I don’t think Cutler’s is perfect, but generally is much better. Doesn’t make Cutler the man for us, and I have never said that, it’s just an observation about something that was being discussed.
You guys can want for Tanny to be back, he isn’t going to be back, I’m actually hoping Cutler improves so we can improve but I’m also rational enough to know it’s going to take more than just him improving for our team to get better on offense. To be frank I have never liked Cutler, but he is our QB and I’m trying to be positive about it. I do think Tanny is better in some ways but worse in others.
So now I have that out there, the rest of you pine for Tanny or Moore or whatever. I’ll just stay out of shit since everyone can be talking about the same shit yet I’m accused of starting it all or keeping it going or whatever else Tim wants to blame me for.
So to you Ken I’ll say I respect your opinion in opposition to mine, I cannot however agree with it.
That’s all cool D. It’s a football blog and we are going to have different opinions and we shouldn’t feel like we shouldn’t share them. This place wouldn’t be much fun if we all agreed with one another. I am out. Peace
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All of the above?
I’m sorry I got pissed. I’ll chill. Tim you have my apology as well. I’m the d-bag here. Hope the rest of you have a better night.
The Flying Pig says:
October 1, 2017 at 9:36 pm
I think it’s a bit hard to evaluate the OL when we end up falling behind by multiple scores
The OL was fine on the first series of the game and was running the ball well
3rd and 4th qtr though they looked bad
But we weren’t running anymore
Plus I don’t think it helps that cutler is letting the play clock go to the last second
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This point is irrelevant on every level, and I say that with respect to you, Pig. You’re making excuses where execution mattered. If ya can’t pass-pro, ya die. If ya can’t open lanes in the running game, ya die.
Look at our sacks yielded and our YPC behind our O-Line. If THAT didn’t suck, then my aunt would be my uncle. Our Offense is stagnant in LARGE part due to our O-Line. It’s easy to say that we’ve been playing from behind as you stated… but why are we playing from behind? Because our Offense can’t put points on the board, by and large due to our O-Line.
Our offense took the ball 81 yards down the field in their first drive only to come away with nothing after an interception
The OL looked fine on that drive
Afterwards it went south
I think it all feeds off each other but when you look at the fact that Ajayi finished with 12 carries and was being productive
I don’t know how you ignore the way the game developed and the way it made all the parts looked
When it rains it hails
The very green Deshaun only put up 57 today, I wonder if the polished Cutler can even get us in field goal range…
Third down on both sides of the ball we lose
Cutler is the best thing that could have happened for RT17.
Chew on that! Lol
YES Mr. SPIKES; YOU & I DID WARN about the overwhelming need to upgrade the O-Line. WHEN THAT did NOT occur, our season was doomed!!! This O-Line opened up with a great first drive then RAN OUT OF GAS!!! – – NOT IN NFL GAME SHAPE, THAT’S FOR SURE!!!
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THIS is a talent driven league. Outside of 5-6 players, Miami DOES NOT HAVE THE TOOLS TO COMPETE AND WIN. YOU NEED 40+ BIG TIME PLAYERS on your squad. We’re not even close to that. THAT’S WHY our personnel acquisition department needs a top-to-bottom over haul. From T-Baum to the lowest ranking scout, our talent department LACKS TALENT EVALUATORS capable of putting a championship team on the field!!!!! And given ROSS’S history of hiring “the wrong people” way too often, the chances of building a first rate scouting department seems pretty small.
FOLKS, a fish rots from the head down. That’s why, IMHO, Miami will NOT have a championship quality team until ROSS SELLS THE TEAM!! Ross may have “the Midas touch” with real estate. But, regarding building an NFL franchise, he’s proven he’s got “the Midas touch in reverse!” 60 wins and 72 losses during the Ross Era says it all!
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WHAT a tragedy in Las Vegas! Over 200 dead Americans!! Blasting the mayor of San Juan won’t fix this problem nor will it deal with Little Hitler in North Korea!! Time to stop the talking and start taking action!!