Like most of you Prawny just didn’t handle the last two weeks very well.
So we had to change this week’s format based on his…eh..absence
So let’s talk about 4 miserable points!
Point I: Adam Gase is Not Immune to Dolfan Hate
In his first season as Dolphins head coach, Adam Gase brought the Dolphins from the dead all the way to their first playoff birth since ’08.
So everyone loves Gase right? NOPE! Gase, the offensive guru (cough cough) is under fire from the media and the fans. Shutout by the Saints after almost being shut out by the Jests is no way to get in the good graces of this fan base.
The Dolphins offense is absolutely horrible this season. The Dolphins have only scored 25 points this season. The offense looks bland and predictable despite quite a number of playmakers on offense.
Don’t get me wrong. It would be silly to call for his head this early in his career but it would be just as silly to give him a pass.
Last week after losing to the Jests, Gase felt the need to get more of his talent involved. Julius Thomas and Kenyon Drake looked like the two beneficiaries of that change. Drake had a big run….called back for holding and finished the game with one carry. Thomas caught an important first down catch on 3rd down. Then, in what looked like a forced attempt to get Thomas involved, the ball was intercepted in the endzone. Thomas finished with two catches and has been pretty much useless in 2017.
Let’s hope Adam Gase has a better solution after the Saints loss.
Point 2. The Dolphins have an Unavoidable Controversy at QB
This is not your Dad’s QB controversy. This isn’t Phil Simms vs Jeff Hostetller. This is Dolfans and the media’s endless discussion about the position. It is impossible to be a happy about the position for Dolfans.
Part of this controversy is not the fault of the Dolphins. As soon as Ryan Tannehill went down for the season it was inevitable. We all know there are Tannehill loyalists and Tannehill haters – and they don’t stop arguing. So when Tannehill went down, whomever started in his place would be compared to Tannehill. What would Tannehill do? Is _____ better than Tannehill? What happens in 2018 with Tannehill?
Enter Jay Cutler. Like a fart you tried to hold in on a date – “The Dolphins sign Jay Cutler” is the last thing you wanted to hear. But we all hoped for the best. We all hoped we would have a problem at QB. A simple QB controversy like the Giants had once upon a time.
NO – that doesn’t happen to the Dolphins. Jay Cutler has arguably been the worst player on the field the last three Sundays. Cutler looked like a QB who should stay retired against the Saints. If we get lucky, a comet will hit the Earth and we won’t hear a thing about our QB controversy…but we are never that lucky.
Gase seems committed to Cutler for now. But there are murmurs of “Play Matt Moore”. And why shouldn’t there be? Moore wasn’t great for us last year – but he did help us get into the postseason. And Cutler has been so bad that well…
But the controversy doesn’t end with 3 QBs for the Dolphins. Look at that 4th guy. Think people aren’t calling for the Dolphins to sign him? Imagine if we do. Imagine if we don’t and the QB play stays this bad. The Dolphins are in the direct line of fire for the Kaepernick backlash, one way or another.
Point 3: Special Teams…When Foot Meets Suck
What is going on with the field goal attempts against the Dolphins. The Dolphins have benefited from several missed field goals this season. For whatever reason – there have been a on of missed field goals in three games.
Here is why that drives me crazy: The gods will rob us of a missed field goal when it really means something. I’m superstitious. If you are too, you know, all the missed field goals we will get in 2017 have been used.
Oh…and don’t get me started about the punting game. Matt Haack hasn’t been great this season and he is on pace for 85 punts. Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Point 4: Hope is for Suckers
It’s really not that dire right now. And how do I know this? By focusing on some meaningless stats of course!
Jarvis Landry is on pace to catch more than 130 passes this year. DeVante Parker is on pace for over 90 and over 1200 yards. Kenny Stills is on pace for close to 50 catches and over 500 yards. There aren’t a lot of NFL teams that get that much production out of their receivers, but we do…and we get a grand total of 25 points in 3 games out of it…WTF!
Add Jay Ajayi to that mix. He is on pace for just under 1,000 yards – but I find it hard to believe, barring injury, he won’t have more than 1000 yards. I don’t think there are a of NFL teams getting that much production from four players on offense. Inexplicably, it means nothing in terms of scoring. Do you have hope about the 2017 season now?
Think about this: The Dolphins, Patriots and Jests all have 2 losses each. The Bills are in first place at 3-1. Do you think the Bills will finish over .500. I don’t. I expect the Bills and Jests to have some low points in 2017 when it’s said and done. So naturally, this gives me hope about the 2017 Dolphins. And hope is for suckers when you are a Dolfan!
So bring on The Titans. I’m so excited!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Lmao WY!!
M
It’s Cutler or bust. Gase has seen what Moore has…..went out and got Cutler anyway. That to me says enough. This offense has been shut out 2 weeks in a row. (I do not recognize the garbage TD in NY. Lol)
BTW I would Never confuse social media with mainstream media, With my background working with the Mainstream media and looking at how stupid Facebook is,,,lol anyways
All good, carry on, Man We need to beat those damn Titans, lol
Where is Wyoming, got a Josh Allen question for him
He’s working nights!
What you got?
I’m curious what do You think about him, and in Your opinion, is he right for Miami?
Also MF, i don’t agree with Your opinions on media. We won’t likely change opinions on it, I have no idea how You got that, so of course won’t speculate on it.
I just feel like many times people make up their minds on what they want to believe, based on someone telling them they should or shouldn’t.
I personally could never go for that. I’m much too independent, much too independent, and can decide for myself what I like or don’t like.
I don’t need someone else telling me what’s right or wrong, fake news or good news, that’s disrespectful and Their opinion does nothing to change facts. I’m fine with listening, as long as I’m not expected to blindly follow instantly.
I do find it ironic most of the ones criticizing the media have no media experience, and couldn’t even get a job there if they tried . But of course they know it all, and are perfect in everything they do, lol human nature
For example, We have all bitched a time or too about Omar or Mando, but have any of us tried their jobs? If so, were we better? Lol.
Gotta get some sleep, Peace everyone!
I don’t know right now David?
If you would have asked me last year I would have said HELL YA!
He lost his TE, WR, C, G, RB to the NFL and doesn’t look as good without his supporting cast.
He can still make all the throws, but when he gets rattled he will force some really shitty passes.
I think he actually took some zing off his passes last week so the WR’s wouldn’t drop so many!
He reminds me of Farve a little. Or Steve Young may be a better example!
He does have some wheels.
He may peek at Matt Moore? or push on to Steve young?
I’d take him in the late first or second if he is there!
And he might be with this QB class
Thanks for the answer, his play has fallen off this year and I knew You would know, lol
“Like the fart you try to hold in on a date we sign Jay Cutler”
Lol @ Piggs.
That’s so true, I hoped he might thrive here but I wonder if now his “I don’t give a shit”, demeanor is rubbing off on the entire offense.
Shit game / good article.
Shirley you can’t be right about this. There was article after article when we signed Jay Cutler that all those things about his demeanor we’re a myth. They had quotes from people he went to college with for Pete’s sake and that the time when you’re not supposed to care!
SO-O-O-O the Fins are ONLY 2 and 1/2 point underdogs to the 2-2 Titans. The Titans have given up 126 points in 4 games (that’s 31.5 points per game surrendered). And Mariota may not play b/c of a bad hammy. This game is IN MIAMI. Yet, we are STILL ‘Dogs!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!
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Will Miami actually score at least 7 points this Sunday? YES is my response. Hell, we MIGHT SCORE IN DOUBLE DIGITS!!!!!!!! BUT IT WON’T BE ENOUGH!!
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HOWIE/HERD — HOWIE/HERD — HOWIE/HERD
16-13 TEN
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Let the whining resume!
Driving to work this morning, listening to Bob Papa and Ed McCaffrey on NFL radio, and they get to talking about the Buffalo Bills. McCaffrey is basically licking the Bills balls, how they have a great front 7, the back end of their defense is very underrated, and their offense is better than people think with Tyrod Taylor playing very well now. 3-1, and a legit playoff contender.
So disappointing, because that’s where I thought we would be. Maybe we turn it around just like we did last season, I hope so, but I could very easily envision this crap continuing throughout the season.
Ed McCaffrey’s one of my favorite non-dolphins players of all times.
Please don’t buy into the Cutler doesn’t care so the team doesn’t care garbage. That’s a bunch of top grade horseshit! If Cutler didn’t care, Landry, Stills and others would be rallying for Moore to start, and there would be a mutiny in locker room. Stop making convenient excuses. How about we just suck, and we overrated our team.
That’s it Mikey. Keep hope alive. Lol.
I don’t care if he cares
I care that he sucks…lol
Lol
I think we’re in trouble, BIG trouble. I think most of us thought the Jets would be laying down, go into draft at the top mode to rebuild, and after Buffalo traded away talent to restock for next season, a lot of us thought Buffalo may be doing the same. As it turns out, WE might be picking at the top of the draft. If Gase for a second thought the offense was struggling because Cutler doesn’t care, he would have Cutler on the bench faster than you can say Matt Darr.
Mike,
I’ve already stated that I don’t have much expectation for this season as I saw what happened to the Saints after Katrina. There’s just a lot of outside and mental stuff that started our season off poorly that is clearly affecting this team top to bottom. If we turn it around then great.
Sad thing is, the Jets and Bills are primed to add significant talent next season, as we continue to trade away picks. The Bills have two 1st RD picks, two 2nd RD picks, and two 3rd RD picks and then their pick in each of the following rounds. The Jets have their full compliment, plus two 2nd RD picks. It’s not all bad for us, maybe Stephone Anthony finds himself, and maybe T.J. McDonald is an all pro safety for us. Maybe in year 2, Charles Harris and Raekwon McMillan are defensive forces. There’s hope, but it just seems like such an uphill climb.
Yeah, but I can’t control it, so I don’t put too much thought or worry into it.
It might not be showing in the field
But we do have pieces to work with
We won’t get benefit of McMillan in 17 and probably won’t get too much from Harris but I do think, in terms of the future, those are good pieces and it’s possible that Tankersly is another good one
So add that to Howard and a young player like Anthony WR took a 5th round flier on and I’m a little less concerned with the draft picks to build
Provided we Resign Landry, that’s foursome of Landry,Stills, Parker and Ajayi are leett good pieces as well
What happens with Tunsil? How about Pouncey? James looks decent and maybe this young guard Davis develops
I think in terms of the future we have big questions at QB, TE, OL and probably DB (Depending on how it plays out).
So I think, from a talent perspective, if we don’t overreact and start parting ways with our players, we will have more talent than the rest of the AFC east in 18
I feel like we have wasted too many draft picks in the past, and it’s holding us back from completing our talent pool. We wasted enough picks the last 10’years that all the Timmons and Cutler pickups can never make up for it. We trade up for players we don’t need, trade up for Total losers like Jordan, and no need to bring up Martin or DT3. There are many more mistakes, hopefully we can stop being retarded on draft day, and give the team a fighting chance.
Only answer is to draft and develop better IMO
I think that Cutler cares. I just don’t think he cared during the wildcat play.
Probably didn’t know wtf to do. I bet that’s his first time lining up in that formation and likely the first time anyone has ever asked him to play WR, ie be in a position where you aren’t at all protected by roughing rules or blockers
Standing there like you are not part of the play is an interesting choice when you don’t know what to do.
That would be like taking up skydiving without any instruction and assuming the backstroke is a good technique….lol
I don’t really think that one play is a big deal and I don’t think its a representation of whether he cares as a whole or not – he just looked like he didn’t care on that one play
The bigger picture is that he hasn’t been very good at all following a long career of not being very good at all
SB, I think things like Katrina and Irma can give two ways. Either it’s a big, unable to be overcome, distraction ir it galvanizes a team and gives them something to really play fir deeper that money in their pockets. I think the big thing this year is we don’t play like a team, and the things that should be bringing us together isn’t. That stinks od selfishness, and I don’t see many if our players on offense playing for team.
Landry us usually the man holding people accountable for that and he is in selfish mode this year too. There isn’t that fire he normally has. He isn’t selling out to make catches. He isn’t focused, when normally he is laser sighted.
Parker is the best example of that on offense right now and by nature get is not a vocal leader. He is outside his comfort zone but he is trying. The offensive side of the ball has to get their shit straight and find a reason to play fir each other instead of just playing fir the self.
Worst part is that those attitudes are contagious, and right now the part that spreading is the complacent selfish part. Good part of that statement is it can flip around and the good part can start catching if they can just be honest to themselves that that’s what they are doing and get their heads and hearts back to the correct focus.
I guess it could have been shorten so.e to too many playing with their heads and not their heart. Football is a heart game, no one would play it if they were using their heads
The wildcat play is Gase fault, he should never call it with Cutler on the team
Piggy
He’s playing much worse than he’s played during his career, that’s the big problem. I think a lot of that has to do with the lack of time to prepare. He basically turned the switch OFF, and then he gets a chance to play and he takes the job, and tries to turn the switch ON, but this time it’s taking longer for the circuit to warm up and go. Add that to playing in a new offense, I think it all adds up to slow start, especially with the run game going nowhere.
Yeah I agree
He’s worse now than ever
And when you consider that he’s coming out of retirement, there are no guarantees that this isn’t just who he is now
But the worst part, is even if he gets up to form – his old form isn’t so good anyway
As Dolphins fans what we hoped for was a better player than he was throughout his career, and he’s worse! Wtf
I think we all, Gase included, underestimated how long it would take Cutler to get up to speed.
You are probably right
but doesn’t that make signing a guy who was “familiar with thee system” pointless?
Also how is everyone celebrating Jake Scottober this year?
Not much truthfully, lol. Should we be?
Not sure if it was posted already, probably was. Did you guys see what the dummy Hayley Geftman-Gold, now former CBS president said about the shootings? This is the perfect example of letting your politics absorb you and you lose your heart and soul.
“I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters”
–Hayley Geftman-Gold, @CBS VP, Sr. Atty #LasVegas
Disgusting. That person should lose their job ASAP!
She was fired, that’s why I said now former CBS president.
This is something i thought about last night, and ties into something i said above about football. Cutler never has had the heart for playing. He seems to ride small emotional lifts for a few games, maybe even part of a season but at some point he loses that lift and sinks down into a low spot. Maybe he’s clinically depressed, maybe he lost whatever love for the game he had, maybe he just gets derailed really easy (see clinical depression), im not quite sure if what we are seeing is that or what, but here are some observations:
Cutler retired from the NFL instead of trying to come back from injury to prove people wrong, instead of fighting “against the dying of the light” he chose to cut his losses and walk away. That doesnt sound to me like a person who really loves what he is doing and cant stand the thought of never doing it again.
Cutler had to “be talked into” a comeback. He mentioned several times that his wife encouraged him/pushed him to come back. He mentioned that Gase sold him on coming back. He never said i was really hoping someone would give me the shot to come back or, im glad to have this opportunity because i was not ready to be done, even though i felt my chances were limited.
When he was saying those things i really thought, great, he is here out of obligation not desire. I really thought to myself this dude isnt going to do shit for us. Then in limited snaps during the preseason, he seemed to have a spark, during the first game, he played with a lot more passion and energy than i expected him to, both because i knew it was going to take him a little while to get going, and i knew his heart wasn’t in it right now.
What we are probably seeing is him in a funk, quite literally and its affecting not just the offenses ability to do much, but the other players around him and their effort levels. These are full grown me, some with leadership experience, they need to keep playing at their level regardless of what he is doing and snatch a kink in his ass for not playing with more passion. Fire him up, even if its got to be anger or shame that motivates him. Gase needs to do that too. I dont think benching helps that (some players are motivated by that, others like him only sulk more), and its clear Gase doesn’t either, but i do think he needs to tape into some emotion that will make him play harder.
All that said its not a 1 person problem, just as it hasn’t been with Tanny in the past, or anyone before him. This is a systemic, so approaching it as a need to “fix” an individual, is folly. Thats been the majority of what i have been trying to say to everyone, not that Cutler is great, he’s adequate, he’s anything, but that everyone focusing on replacing him to fix this is going to saying the same about Moore, or whatever FA you want us to pick up, or whatever trade you want to work our, etc. He’s going to be our QB barring injury for the rest of the year and either ya want to fix the offense, him included, or you want to continue to point a finger an wait for the one thing that you think is the problem to be replaced.
I think you confused people SB, its more commonly referred to Scottoberfest, ya know the holiday they celebrate with Jakeolanters with 13 carved in them?
13’s make everything creepier.
Tim Knight says:
October 3, 2017 at 11:02 am
Not sure if it was posted already, probably was. Did you guys see what the dummy Hayley Geftman-Gold, now former CBS president said about the shootings? This is the perfect example of letting your politics absorb you and you lose your heart and soul.
“I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters”
–Hayley Geftman-Gold, @CBS VP, Sr. Atty #LasVegas
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Thats the problem with our country right now. People can make anything a them problem, and just not care about it. It applies to almost all of the issues at hand. Statues, blacklivesmatter, kneeling at the anthem, and apparently even when innocent people are gunned down trying to live a free life.
Not attempting to get into a gun control discussion, but I still fail to see why civilians need machine guns capable of firing ridiculous amounts of rounds per minute. I absolutely think they need to be outlawed. What good has ever become of a civilian owning one? I can show you several bad examples, but there just aren’t any good ones.
I think the reports I heard are that this guy had a device to convert a semiautomatic gun into a automatic
So I think the laws in place would have prevented a gun like the one your described being purchased
its the device (I don’t know if its legal) in this case
FWIW I have no opposition to laws barring automatic weapons for civilian use. I think those laws are in place though. Not sure – not an expert on the issue…
You can get into politics you just have to end it, or begin with “I’m not getting into politics”. LOL.
I saw this cartoon yesterday and thought it was hilarious
QBs in the WC generally do not run routes and it’s usually by design. If they run a route they risk getting roughed up by an aggressive defensive back and coaches usually want them to avoid that. His purpose in that play is merely to occupy one defender, since in traditional defensive schemes (spying a QB would be an exception) there is no defender dedicated to the QB.
Sure he looked disinterested, but that’s because he had no more assignments on that play other then standing out there. If they did not put a defender on him, the person handling the snap can do a quick throw that way, but usually that’s only if you’ve got a young athletic QB out there, which Cutler is not.
I think some of you are overreacting to that picture, but I am not defending Cutler, since I’ve listened to the games on radio this season rather then watched them on tv…
Last post. I think this is philosophical, not political fwiw. This is from the wall of the Jefferson Memorial, one of the drafters of our constitution.
Agreed. Love the last line.
Tim
Sorry, I missed that the first time I read it. Glad she got fired, but I doubt it changed her outlook on life. She probably feels like a victim now herself.
I said yesterday, give it a few hours if it hasn’t already started, but the shootings in Vegas will become politicized anytime now. Sad.
Bill Mitchell (a conservative pundit) basically accused antifa on Twitter yesterday…lol
These people so absorbed in politics can’t help themselves.
there’s just too many pundits who benefit from contraversy
Tim
I know some people like that, I’m sure we ALL do
Yeah I know people who think everything is political. Real silly shit too. See that glass your drinking out of, that’s made by a company that donated to Trump’s campaign. Or those sunglasses you’re wearing, the company that makes them is owned by George Soros. I’m making these examples up, but that’s the kind of shit that gets said by people who can’t live life without seeing everything political.
I agree. I’d go crazy if I thought that way. That’s being totally consumed by it.
It seems like every year our oline is the problem. Why can’t we get a coach that can build a dominating oline? So frustrating
Mike E. – Vegas shooter didn’t us a machine gun. Machine gun ownership, while possible and legal, is very tightly controlled and only legal for pre-1986 manufactured guns. So very limited supplies. The shooter used a slide fire stock, which uses the recoil of the gun to cycle the trigger action simulating full auto.
As for outlawing machineguns because who needs one, again he didn’t use a machinegun and why not outlaw cars and ammonium nitrates and anything else that can be used to cause mass destruction? You would punish 100 million law abiding Americans for the acts of one. That’s like executing all liberals because of artifacts.
why does someone need 16 semi automatic machine guns? I mean the only way a law abiding person would use those is for target shooting. You’re not going to go hunting with a machine gun. So why not pass a law that you can only keep those guns at targeting range or something and can’t take it with you home.
I mean certain cars aren’t street safe and you can only drive them in a race track. We should have a similar law for machine guns
When over 500 people get shot by only 1 domestic terrorist, everything should be reviewed from guns to hotel security , anything less is a disservice to the families at best
don’t ban guns. ban bullets. 🙂
Thats one tiny part of it, many already have a lot of ammo. I think ALL of it should be reviewed, including hotel security.
Politics! Politics! Politics!
uh oh!!!
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/4b237d67-2a73-311b-802c-0f0a93032c2e/ss_uh-oh.-it-won%E2%80%99t-get-better.-a.html
if we’re gonna miss the playoffs we might as well get a good draft spot.
This is the perfect timing to talk of gun control. Outt In it off til when? Lol right, it won’t get addressed if we put it off. NRA loves to put it off til never, it’s about money to them, not safety
*put it off til when?
I am all for stricter gun control laws, but with that said, France has strict gun control laws. There is no ‘right to bear arms’ in France. It didn’t stop mass murdering gun toting terrorists there. Just saying.
We have a huge domestic terrorist problem here, and need to address it promptly irregardless of what France does or doesnt
You completely missed the point. Running around with diarrhea, saying we should do this, we should do that, doesn’t necessarily solve anything. My point was if gun control doesn’t work elsewhere, how is that the solution here?
I didn’t miss Your point, my point is we have to review everything, including hotel security.
Waiting to discuss later has never worked, when someone breaks into Your home and steals stuff, the correct time to change the locks and review security is asap
Hey guys!
In my defense I did try to retire.
Would you say no to $500K per week?
ocalarob says:
October 3, 2017 at 12:51 pm
uh oh!!!
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/4b237d67-2a73-311b-802c-0f0a93032c2e/ss_uh-oh.-it-won%E2%80%99t-get-better.-a.html
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I don’t really care about these models, but I’ll tell ya this: one more key injury and 3-13 is a REAL possibility.
Obviously with our stats no computer model is going to love us, but if you are going to lose why not big? Wouldn’t it be funny if it was picking in the top 3 for a QB and not the Jets or Bills.
“That’s like executing all liberals because of artifacts.”
What the heck does this mean? auto-correct or some cool new joke I’m not privy to? lol
Not many discussing hotel security issues, but this is where the shooter could have been apprehended as well, thwarting the entire event
yeah, I’m not letting a hotel search my luggage every time I check in. Not going to happen. Private individuals or private institutions searching other private individuals without reasonable suspicion?
That’s fine, but security lapses still have to be addressed. The hotels aren’t providing reasonable security when some old man has a damn army set up on the 32 floor
Phelon
Ok, so I’m not up on my guns, forgive me, but the rest of that post is nonsense to be honest. Automatic weapon, whatever you want the classification is, civilians don’t need weapons that can fire so many rounds. Is that such a difficult concept? If you use it for hunting, are you looking to turn the animal into shreds of meat? If you’re doing it for protection, do you need to fire 50 rounds at a time? What I meant was those types of weapons shouldn’t be sold to civilians, period. If you disagree, that’s fine, but give me one good reason why it should be, other than we should stop selling cars or ammonium nitrate.
David,
Don’t misunderstand me, I am FOR stricter gun control. I agree with the idea a person doesn’t need 50 rd mags, machine guns, 50 semi-auto rifles, etc. It just isn’t the solution to stop events like what happened in Vegas.
What’s the solution?
Kong
I understand your point, but making automatic weapons available, and easy to purchase can’t help the situation. Of course, anything can be obtained illegally, and in many cases, they probably are, but some aren’t. This guy seemed to have an army’s arsenal.
Again, ratchet up the gun control. I’m all for it. Just don’t fool yourselves into thinking it’s going to stop these events from happening.
That is possible. I still don’t understand how civilians should be allowed to have these kind of things. Why stop there, maybe we should legally be able to purchase RPG’s. “Officer, the guy cut me off, I was already in that lane, I had no choice but to blow him off the road”. lol
lol, that would be me.
Machine guns were banned in 1934 and fully automatic weapons were banned in 1986. #FACTS
Semi autos should be banned too, too easy to convert to auto
LMAO @ Punish, and I mean really. Mommy, mommy, I want my 100 round rapid firing weapon NOW!!!!!! If people who can’t have weapons like that feel “punished”, maybe those are exactly the type of people who shouldn’t be allowed to have them in the first place.
There is no such word as “irregardless”
Correct, it drives me crazy
Irregardless of what you say I’m using it now
Still gets 1,370,000 google returns….tell me that ain’t so. 🙂
it’s a double negative. The prefix Ir and the suffix Less both mean “without” The word is “Regardless”
um you google is slow. I got 1,380,000 returns on google…LOL
And even on my slow google “ain’t” gets 84 million. Sometimes you just have to float down river rather paddle upstream.
Serious? Lol
So here’s my thoughts on guns. I have no problem with gun ownership. A lot of people use them for hunting where I live. I myself am in the process of buying one. I’m taking the classes etc. I live alone in a crazy world so I will feel a little safer if anyone tries to break in my house. All that said, the founding fathers were talking about vastly different guns than what we have today. Muskets and pistols were the firearms of that era. Single round muzzleloaders. Huge difference from what we have today. We also didn’t have a formal military. It was a militia. Everyone shows up and brings their own equipment. Again, not the same as today.
Today, no one person needs that kind of firepower. If you believe an army is coming after you to require that much weaponry, you may have bigger issues to consider. And if it’s an army, you aren’t going to win on your own anyway.
Jay Cutler has a rocket launcher. Should he be banned? 😆
cork pop gun you mean
I’m frankly not too interested in debating gun laws or lack of gun laws
I have to see a law, weigh the pros and cons, what the sacrifices are, see what the benefits are, see whether it’s expected to work and why or why not
And then make a decision
Does anyone know what’s on the table?
I’m not aware of any major gun legislation at this time that’s up for debate
I think we end up arguing beliefs rather than pragmatism on things like Guns or the environment all the time.
Also like Phish and M13 said. I’m pretty sure machine guns are already illegal. I don’t know each jurisdictions laws on guns buts it’s hard to beleive machine guns aren’t just illegal everywhere in the Us
I always ask myself – what’s the proposed law? Let me see it. Then I weigh pros and cons. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate everyone’s general thoughts and o think that gets politicians moving – I’m just saying: what is proposed?
^^^
There is a current gun bill up on silencers
Yes, and I’m WELL aware of as much: there is NO NEED FOR SILENCERS!!!
See how easy that was?
Who needs a silencer!?!?
Conservatives say we don’t need stricter gun laws
Liberals say we need outright bans
Stanger just wants to know if you’re coming to the Fest
Gun or no gun, doesn’t matter
Piggy “two guns” bacon will be there
Just kidding I don’t own any guns
Lmao, funny sb
LOL sb7…..gave up on using the board to create global peace or an end to Khardasian rule as well.
“Wouldn’t it be funny if it was picking in the top 3 for a QB and not the Jets or Bills.”
I’m not sure if you left out the “us” in this sentence, but NO I do not think that would be “funny”…..Not even ironic.
No, I call Mike Tannenbaum and Chris Grier “IT”. lol
When does a pig become Frank? 1:35PM
Rockphin says:
October 3, 2017 at 1:35 pm
cork pop gun you mean
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Nah, I disagree with that, Rockphin. Cutler still has a rocket launcher, but I don’t understand why Gase is playing ‘dink-and-dink’ ball with him through the first 3 games. We saw his cannon in the preseason and it looked GOOD!
If I didn’t know any better, I’d say that Cutler got his arm injured between PSG3 and game 1 of the regular season. But by ALL accounts, Cutler’s arm is just fine. I don’t get it, man.
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With QB Marcus Mariota banged up, Titans planning to sign free agent QB Brandon Weeden, per @FieldYates.
Yeah, to back up Matt Cassel, not to start
Correct.
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The Dolphins kicked a field goal on their first possession this season at the Chargers. They have been outscored 23-0 in the 1st half since
We MIGHT have scored week one, but didn’t get to play because of irma
I’m stoked I got one third of a golf trophy split up among 6 million Floridians affected by Irma. Trump never gave me anything before, and as soon as I can figure out how to obtain my microscopic trophy piece, I’ll post it for all to see 😎
Over a million people are killed each year by motor vehicles. Roughly 10,000 people are killed each year by guns. Should we ban cars?
guns aren’t going to drive you to work, cars will
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If people drove their guns to work, the stats would be quite different, lol
Isn’t that really oversimplifying the issue? That kind of argument, or statement really pisses me off. I don’t have any problem with people owning guns, handguns, shotguns, rifles, whatever. When they have a gun that can slaughter 50-100 people in a matter of seconds, yeah, I think that’s fucked up. Why would a normal person need that?
Mike, You are raising some valid points this morning
David,
In answer to your question to above about what is the solution…I have NO idea, lol.
We obviously have to keep trying, but IMO honest opinion, I think this is something that we cannot prevent. A person who is willing to give their lives to commit heinous crimes will succeed sometimes.
Tough question, but you went for it, lol
Agreed, no easy solution. It simply Means we have to work hard to find the best one possible? Seems reasonable
Wow, simple thinking guys. More people have access to cars, and they actually kill many, many more people than guns. Why separate guns out? Operating a car…or a gun….is a personal responsibility. Misusing either can cause the death of another person. I could easily drive my car through a big crowd and kill lots of people. Just because a car can be used for other things doesn’t change the argument. And, guns are used for other things than killing people. That argument is pointless.
Guns and cars will never be a good compare IMO apples and mattresses
Mike E. says:
October 3, 2017 at 2:13 pm
Isn’t that really oversimplifying the issue? That kind of argument, or statement really pisses me off…
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Why would that piss you off? FACTS are FACTS. Don’t take it out on Randy for posting the TRUTH, Bro.
You probably have a better chance of being bitten by a shark or struck by lightning than being randomly shot. That’s NOT over-simplifying the issue… it’s FACTUAL. Now shall we ban/kill all sharks or ban lightning? The former has been tried… and it saddens me: I’m a shark enthusiast. And without lightning, we’d likely never have discovered fire/electricity.
What’s next… do we ban human-beings? It’s the hearts of people that need to be healed, man. There’s too much HATE!!! It’s why I don’t like discussing politics anymore.
M – Facts? Facts? If your mother was at that concert in Las Vegas, would that suit you then? Why do ODDS even play into this discussion? There is no TRUTH or FACT in this discussion. Also, I have to say, you keep saying politics. I’m not discussion politic for christs sake, this isn’t politics. I’m simply saying people don’t need guns that can fire 100’s of rounds in a minute or so. You want to skip it every time I type it, go right ahead. I’m not saying we should ban ALL guns, nothing of the sort.
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October 3, 2017 at 2:15 pm
Mike, You are raising some valid points this morning
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Unless you are currently west of the Rockies, it’s not morning, David! LOL
Lol time flies when having fun!
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Dave,
Do you think the person who is dead or their loved ones really give a damn whether a gun or a car killed that person? People make guns the issue because they want to make it an issue. If our true goal is to keep people from being killed, who cares how it happens?
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It’s just like not allowing children to smoke cigarettes but allowing them to eat fatty foods and drink pop all day….leading to an epidemic of obesity and other major health issues. Both might kill them. Why regulate cigarettes and not the other? We make choices as a society.
If the 2018 Draft were to be held today, we’d be selecting @ R1P8, via Lance Zierlein.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000855910/article/2018-nfl-draft-order-and-needs-for-every-team?campaign=tw-cf-sf118423957-sf118423957&sf118423957=1
MikeE,
There are actually already constraints and laws in place to legally own the sort of guns(class 3) you’re talking about. They don’t stop people from getting them…or using them in a horrible way. Sadly, the guy who perpetrated this massacre actually modified at least one gun and made it a more “potent” weapon. A ban on class 3 weapons wouldn’t have made any difference….at least in this case.
That’s a different story altogether. I don’t know squat about these guns. If people can just modify these guns illegally, then there’s nothing we can do about it. If Phelon had been kind enough to say just that, this discussion would have been over a long time ago. I apologize for getting so aggressive, but that shooting has me really upset. I feel terrible.
Appearantly he had some kind of device to modify the gun
I don’t know if that device is legal or not but I suspect someone can sell and purchase a device that’s not necessarily a weapon – so it is possible that may need to be addressed
He also have a lot of guns I his hotel room
So it’s possible to pass legislation the restricts volume, or volume purchased in a short amount of time or travel with guns that may not exists
So it’s not exactly a complete closed door
But like I said above, I need to see legislation, here arguments that it is effective and understand the cons and cons before I make any decision
I do think the event opens the door for discussions on how we prevent something like that again – and that migh involve legislation
Randy, a lot of good issues brother, obviously it’s great someone is thinking of them. I also feel road safety needs to be addressed, but kinda lengthy to put it all here in text for now, phones starting to ring, catch ya later!
Last note for Randy, most of the issues and ideas posted today were preemptive, not after the fact. Those are much more difficult, so I would hope the before issues get fixed so there isn’t so many afters.
Man we are taking a beating in the latest power rankings. But then always see them as too much dogging up and downs. Only 3 point dogs next week.
NFL.com: No. 28
ESPN.com: No. 27
USA Today: No. 30
CBS Sports: No. 26
Sports Illustrated: No. 25
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/miami-dolphins-continue-fall-week-power-rankings/GRqRPAjagg3ISWLagMYRtN/
M
I apologize to you as well. If someone would have been so kind to make it clear that guns are NOT sold to rattle off 100 rounds per minute, I would have backed off my stance from the beginning.
MikeE,
Not a problem at all, brother. I realize these situations are highly emotionally charged for most of us. Passionate discourse is perfectly fine. For me, I just don’t believe gun regulation will solve the problem….that’s why I question the knee jerk reaction to go straight to the “ban guns!” rhetoric when these horrible events happen. If our goal is to stop these things from happening…which I really don’t think we can whether we ban automatic weapons or not…then we need to think smarter. Many more people are killed with none automatic weapons than with them. It’s just that these mass killings get our attention….as they should, of course. Unfortunately, violence has become part of our society. I’m not sure there’s a simple panacea for it.
It is knee jerk from both sides for sure. There will be no complete gun ban and the 2nd amend does not give you the right to own any weapon you want either…..no matter what people say from either side when it comes up again like now. As usual what can and cannot possibly be done lies in the middle…..pretty sure there will be some stuff at least proposed in the months to come though.
Dave,
My lunch is over too, so I’m back to work. As I said, these sorts of conversations are important….and everyone’s opinion matters.
Mike E. says:
October 3, 2017 at 2:29 pm
M – Facts? Facts? If your mother was at that concert in Las Vegas, would that suit you then? Why do ODDS even play into this discussion? There is no TRUTH or FACT in this discussion. Also, I have to say, you keep saying politics. I’m not discussion politic for christs sake, this isn’t politics. I’m simply saying people don’t need guns that can fire 100’s of rounds in a minute or so. You want to skip it every time I type it, go right ahead. I’m not saying we should ban ALL guns, nothing of the sort.
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NOTHING “suits” this tragedy, my friend. But that there’s a discussion going on here about gun control? That IS outright getting POLITICAL… whether you realize it or not. That’s what Hillary did yesterday before any FACTS came out.
I’m tired of tragedies being politicized, and that’s EXACTLY what’s going on here. For the love of Christ, the bodies aren’t even cold yet and here we are attacking/scrutinizing the Second Amendment… even after 1934 and 1986 gun-control laws passed, yet some ignore the FACTS.
I realize that YOU aren’t advocating we ban all guns, yet some here do. Why are we talking about this again, being it’s political in nature?
Pigster has it right once again… let’s stop talking about this! Can we please get back to football?
Mike E. says:
October 3, 2017 at 2:50 pm
M
I apologize to you as well. If someone would have been so kind to make it clear that guns are NOT sold to rattle off 100 rounds per minute, I would have backed off my stance from the beginning.
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OH! Sorry, I posted before I read this from ya, Mike E. Apology ACCEPTED!!!
Phelon and I tried to tell y’all, Brother!
We’re all good, my man!
Additionally, I apologize to you if I riled you up, Mike E; that wasn’t my intent.
No problem M, all good
I like being told I have it right as much as he next pig…lol
But for the record in okay with people speaking about it
I’m just saying – what’s the law? What are the changes is any?
Sometimes these discussions become idealism and I think generally we lack pragmatism in politics
Practically speaking, can’t laws be passed to prevent gun manufacturers from placing guns that can easily be converted (illegally) to automatic on the market. Can’t laws be passed that require gun mfg to put failsafes in place to prevent it from happening?
I do think legislation can help prevent tragedies
“It drives me nuts,. When I got here, I heard Ryan Tannehill couldn’t play. That was wrong. The evaluation skills of quarterbacks is really bad. I’m not going to listen to anybody outside myself.”
— Gase on media hitson Cutler, even as he points out that Tanny will be back next year.
Btw MF if tragedies being politicized upsets You, do NOT listen to the shit our president told PR while tossing them paper towels, that’s horrible the way Trump treats the twice hammered hurricane victims
98000 per year die in hospitals. Ban hospitals. 🙂 Just kidding of course, but want to punctuate what a straw man argument looks like.
Kong, there are more gun deaths here then in any other civilized nation, including France. Austrailia put in very strong gun control after a mass murder in 1996, and by most studies, it’s working.
I don’t think gun control can eradicate gun violence, but I firmly believe it can curb it. I’m a defender of the 2nd amendment because staunch liberals would like to ban guns completely, I just think we can do better than the current wild west situation we have in this country…
But, I’m not gonna talk politics today. 😛
Actually the number 3 killer in the US is hospital error….so you joked but its actually no far from accurate.
You ban hospital error then right? Or driver error? It was about illustrating a strawman argument, definitely not trying to trivialize a serious problem, but I don’t work in the industry so I wasn’t aware of the stat you mentioned.
You would certainly affect it, but i dont know that you are every going to control it. IMO there is a discussion about the psychosis of mass murder that could/should be examined. To truly resolved or ffect change with this problem, we are going to have to limit some of our freedoms. There were signs of what was to come in several of these situations that monitoring social media would have taken care of, but do you want them rolling through all your facebook posts, and twitter posts and then “using their best judgement” decide when and when not to monitor you? I mean its an option, and some would say hell no and some might say, if ya have nothing to hide why fear it…slippery slopes.
Mike, those guns he had he purchased legally, BUT he modified them illegally. There are already gun laws preventing people from having fully automatic weapons. Most of them only have the appearance of a fully auto weapon, ie, they look like an M16 or AK, but they do not have the ability to be fired like one. This guy made modifications to his weapons, illegal modifications that there was no way to regulate he from being able to do. Only very select people have fully automatic weapons permits and they are very monitored and very scrutinized before being approved to have them.
They should really crack down on online shit that shows you How to…. There are videos out there from anything from making pipe bombs and pressure cooker bombs to how to turn a AR full auto by doing a bump stoc mod, or how to turn any rifle into a gatlin gun by moding it to crank fire.
There is NO gun law that could have stopped this, none. There arent any that really could keep it from happening, including outlawing all guns because a person could purchase them illegally and mod them the same way. IMO you want to completely control guns, you make it almost impossible to get bullets. Guns are pretty useless without bullets, so no matter how you obtain them, they are more decorative than anything since you cant fire them. Also there is no constitutional amendment in play for right to have ammo lol. I mean its frigging wide open, with the only exception of people who make their own ammo, which not a ton of people can or do.
I say this as a person who feels OK about the right of gun ownership and the right to bear arms, but i am also a person who doesn’t own one and doesn’t feel the need to.
I agree with this, and that’s what I meant by the wild west culture I referenced above. It’s not as simple as banning fully automatic weapons, there needs to be other steps taken that reduce the likelihood of lay people figuring out work arounds, or buying devices, that enable them to make legal guns even more deadly. I remember when a prominent MJ growing website was shut down by the feds, but I can find info online about bomb building in the amount of time it takes me to hit return on a google search.
Yeah, I get that now. Pretty hard to stop people from illegally modifying legal weapons. It’s unfortunate, but it’s obvious when there’s bad intent, there’s always ways to find out how to accomplish something evil.
Piggy he had a couple different modifications. He apparently had a crank firing mechanism which is one where the gun is modified so that you can add a crank on the gun and as you crank it, it clicks through causing the firing pin to lock back and release over and over and over as you turn the crank. He also had whats called a bump stock, and it basically uses the recoil in a gun to trigger the firing mechanism every time it kicks back against your shoulder, so those are both still semi-auto guns but with a modification to make it fire faster than a human could actually pull a finger.
Crazy stuff
I dont know about the mechanics of it
But really you can always look at what is used to do this violence, look at the practical benefit of those things and then decide whether you want to have laws preventing them or not
It’s obviously not just a throw your hands in the air and do nothing situation
Correct, doing nothing won’t solve any problems
Yeah you control it buy going to the source of it. That source isnt the gun. Proof is right there on both sides of things. 1) give me a proof for something that would have prevent this incident. 2) Now tell me why this doesn’t happen with ever gun owner out there. The answer is right there. Its not a gun ownership thing, therefore not controllable by gun laws, its a human sickness, and we need to root out this and try our best to find a way to help people get past this sickness, and/or start identifying them and at the very least monitoring their activities, when they have been identified. We will have to sacrifice freedoms for this, but if you want to control it, thats what you have to give up.
D is correct, it’s not that difficult to make a semi – full auto . Obviously this is what happened in the Vegas terrorist attack
Jahn,
I’m not talking gun deaths, just the mass shootings. I am for stricter gun control laws because I do believe we can curb some of the gun violence in our nation and bring those numbers down. I just don’t think any regulations we create can stop a single person from creating havoc if they are intelligent, capable, and willing to take it the distance.
#5 Killer in the US? Blogging
Jahndoh30 says:
October 3, 2017 at 3:24 pm
You ban hospital error then right? Or driver error? It was about illustrating a strawman argument, definitely not trying to trivialize a serious problem, but I don’t work in the industry so I wasn’t aware of the stat you mentioned.
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Lol, actually Jahn i wasnt seriously debating the hospital statement i was interjecting a random fact lol. I know its a foolish statement to say ban hospitals.
That’s a lot of metal coming into the Mandalay, if there was a metal detector , checking his huge inventory of bags would have tripped it off for sure.
Somehow someway, people can’t have 20 rifles in hotel rooms, security has to catch small army invasions and have guards and police arrest those trying to sneak in rifles, tanks, ICBMs with multiple warheads, etc
They should have metal detectors, but as i pointed out above, people are printing out guns these days with 3D printers, and they are made of carbon polymer not metal. We don’t live in a safe world, too much crazy, not enough attention to crazy.
You do have to do something, but doing something that wont have as profound effect as doing something else only lessens the chance the right thing gets done. What you are talking about is kneejerk reactions and then slapping a bandaid on something. Thats not going to cure the cancer. Put more thought and effort into it than taking one event or one very politicized stance and saying. OK Done, moving on. Really research this, put some money into getting a real fix.
I was about to post something similar. After one of these things there are always knee jerk reactions, because what these things do is make us feel helpless. But you also touched on it in an above post. It’s a convoluted set of issues. Our freedoms combined with human sickness in some individuals make these things possible. To fix it you have to get to the root of human sickness and/or start seriously restricting our freedoms.
This gun debate is always the same. For me, I’m more moderate about it now and something has to change. I agree with Stanger on this.
One difference with all the examples and I get the inanimate object point, guns are created to kill, most other objects are not even though they can also be used.
Just remember… Pig’s farts contribute to man-made global warming… 😆
That’s not a diss to you at all, Pigster… just stating how inanimate objects can kill! 😉
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I haven’t seen anyone here say we should ban all guns. I think overall as a group we’re more moderate than that. But if they did, that’s their opinion. It’s not up to anyone here to try and convince anyone else. I’ve got no problem with this discussion. Everyone is respectful of others as far as I see. It’s not football but right now, I still can’t stomach talking about this putrid team.
Randy says:
October 3, 2017 at 2:06 pm
Over a million people are killed each year by motor vehicles. Roughly 10,000 people are killed each year by guns. Should we ban cars?
That is a VERY rough number.
if we are talking about ONLY USA it is roughly 22,000 die from suicide GSW’s, 12,000 murders and 800-1200 accidental deaths from GSW’s. Are 11,000 people INTENTIONALLY run over by cars? or is it closer to the “accidental death” numbers?????
PLUS for every person who dies of a GSW there are about 2.5 who are only injured.
American gun homicide rate is more than 25 times the average of all other developed countries.
I am not a “take their guns away guy” I own a couple myself. (Handgun, rifle and shotgun) but SOMETHING needs to be done.
That something starts with NOT overturning the stricter regulations for people with mental health issues to get guns as our glorious leader did this year…..
Randy, two more points.
You MUST have a licence to operate a car. Your car MUST be registered.
Not so for guns.
But you do have to have a background check in most cases to buy a gun, not so with a car. And if you are a felon, you can legally buy a car, but not a gun.
More to the point, i can buy and drive an unregistered car with no license. It’s called breaking the law, just the same as shooting people.
And, guns are used for other things than killing people.
Yes, like threatening to kill people. What else? OH yeah hunting, because SOOOO many people sustain themselves with the meat they get from hunting…..
A lot of people do where I live.
How about knives? Designed to kill. Hammers? Same thing.
I’ve noticed my phone has taken away my gun emoji and replaced it with this. 🔫
That’s funny, on my phone it shows up as a green water gun.
It looks like a gun emoji to me?
She is saying her phone shows it different, it shows as a gun here lol.
And I said….on my PHONE it shows as a green water gun. When I hit post it shows on the blog as a gun.
Another question to ask. He has explosive materials at his house to go along with the other guns. Clearly he had at least considered using the explosives.
Lets say he did, and instead of sniping from the 38th floor, he just walked into the middle of the crowd with pipe bombs or a pressure cooker in a backpack, ala Boston Marathon terrorist attack. Would be on the gun debate, or would be be searching for why he did it. Would we look past the gun debate for answer to his crazy, and how to address that, or would try to control the use of bombs. I think this is an important question to ask, because bombs are also made to kill people, but you dont have a way to effectively control them.
Crazy people can make them and they can use them and you dont have an effective way to control it without controlling pipe’s, nails every household item that went into making the explosive, etc etc. Its keeps going back to control the problem by controlling the crazy for me.
Almost every angle i can come at this with, thats what it boils down to.
Sorry I posted and ran, but I had errands to run.
BoulderPhinfan says:
October 3, 2017 at 12:45 pm
why does someone need 16 semi automatic machine guns?
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There is no such thing as “semi automatic machine guns.” It is either a machine gun (fully automatic) or a semi-automatic. Ignorance on the topic is exactly why we shouldn’t rush to pass laws. You end up with laws that address nothing.
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David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
October 3, 2017 at 12:46 pm
When over 500 people get shot by only 1 domestic terrorist, everything should be reviewed from guns to hotel security , anything less is a disservice to the families at best
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Hyperbole like “over 500 people shot” is a disservice to everyone, including victims. Unless you are going to speak in facts you should just not speak. Actually, based on past postings, you should not speak.
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CavalierKong says:
October 3, 2017 at 1:02 pm
“That’s like executing all liberals because of artifacts.”
What the heck does this mean? auto-correct or some cool new joke I’m not privy to? lol
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Antifa….damn autocorrect….
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Mike E. – I thought I was clear that the guns used were not “machine guns, but guns modified to act like machine guns. As to the rest, who are you, me, or anyone else to tell anyone else what they need? Lot of comments about cars, straw man arguments, etc., but there is a philosophical correlation, Where do you stop telling others what they need or should have? Drunk drivers kill far more people a year than do guns…but you don’t here calls to ban cars. Why not? Because most people have a basic understanding of cars. Those calling for gun bans – like you, David, Boulder, etc. – don’t have even a basic understanding of guns (they are scary) or current gun laws. Without that basic understanding, you can only put forth an emotional and defenseless argument. What you are suggesting would punish the 1/3 of the US population that is law-abiding and owns guns, yet would do absolutely nothing to stop a Las Vegas.
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Herd – Actually the 2nd Amendment was written to include weapons commonly in use. That includes fully automatic weapons. It was written not to preserve hunters rights, but to counter a tyrannical government.
Finally the gun deaths/injuries stat. The overwhelming cause is suicide (2/3 or so), followed by criminal activity.
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David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
October 3, 2017 at 3:26 pm
D is correct, it’s not that difficult to make a semi – full auto . Obviously this is what happened in the Vegas terrorist attack
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You can barely spell gun and now you are a fucking genius that can casually convert a semi-auto into a full auto!?! Why don’t you explain to us how that works, David….you know…what sear assembly do you use, where do you get one, what is the position and diameter of the holes that you have to machine into the receiver group to fit said sear assembly. That kind of “it’s not difficult…”
Phelon
I said it so many times, not sure how you missed it, I don’t want to ban guns.
Just a type of gun based on a tragic, but isolated, incidence.
Partly true. It’s not just one isolated incident, there have been others, and I felt the same way then. There should be laws restricting the capacity of ammunition a gun can carry, and definitely how quickly it can disperse that ammunition. I don’t think you could possibly convince me why a civilian would need that. Remember not too long ago there was a shooting in a movie theater? Same kind of thing, and I said the same thing then.
Oh, and when you ask, “Who am I to decide? I’m someone who doesn’t have the ability at the moment to change that, but if there were an addendum vote during an election that I could vote for, I would vote to have that done in a millisecond. My question is who are you, and why do you need that type of gun? For what purpose?
I would not try to convince you of anything to do with guns. If you are not willing to educate yourself on the subject it is pointless.
As for asking who someone is and why they need something, well that just smacks of Big Brother and elitism.
Well Big Brother you just used that exact term.
Rock, you are having the wrong debate, with you argument it can still be said “well if people have to find another way to kill animals, its worth it to preserve life”. You will have a hard time justifying the need to have a gun, especially these days. Its easier to argue that not one thing about controlling guns, even their complete removal from our society, would have prevented any of these scenarios.
Sandy Hook, legal guns, took them from his parents. His crazy was all over the internet though.
Columbine, kids were known to be picked on, aloof, likely emotionally disturbed. Got their legal weapons from parents, also had pipe bombs that they made out of household items.
Jonesboro, legal weapons from the kids grandparents house. Were known to have violent tendencies, possibly sociopath tendencies ranging from bullying to hurting/killing animals which got worse up until the shooting.
The Colorado theater shootings, the guy bought all the guns legally. Nuttier than a squirrel terd, lots of signs observed by teachers, classmates, on his online posts, all leading up to the shooting.
Common thread?
The bottom line is it’s sad we have these discussions at all or there is a need to discuss it.
Indeed.
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The result of Charles Harris’ blast on Drew Brees on Sunday morning.
Once banning starts, it opens the door and sets a precedent. Plus, why does anybody have the right to tell me what sort of gun I want to own if I purchase and use is in a legal manner…or hell…never even take it out of the case if I just like to look at it? Lots of people purchas firearms and never fire them…..some are more valuable having never been fired. That is all a slippery slope.
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And the car analogy wasn’t an argument…it was an analogy. Both inanimate objects kill people…whether they were intended to or not…and we make choices as a society to allow certain things. We pick and choose our battles. Ban every kind of gun ever made, and there will still be mass murders.
AMEN… and what’s more, the government will have the ability to control their people via VIOLENCE… as in, they have weapons, and we the people do not.
Randy, but Guns were made to kill people, thats their original design even if they have moved on to having other purposes. A traffic accident is just that, it wasn’t the intention of the driver to kill, but these incidents with the shootings, absolutely are using the gun with that intention.
Lets say people were intending to kill with cars, don’t you think there would be talk about more control over who can legally drive one? I think if the intention of a care was to kill, animals or otherwise, there would be a call for strict control over who gets one.
The reason there isn’t is because there aren’t, and that’s not the intention of a car, so the analogy is apples to oranges.
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October 3, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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I was expecting this this week.
Douche bag..but did you predict it?
no not really more a thought i had when i saw Tankersly play well and McCain not. If they can find a trade partner for Maxwell i wouldn’t be surprised to see them deal him to a team who might be out a starter.
Only way we can trade Maxwell is by a “sign & trade” deal. Nobody is going to trade for Maxwell with his current $8M salary, $10M due next season. What’s more… who’s actually going to trade for Maxwell what with his most recent performances?
OK — give up…and will tell you my best guess about what will happen down the road.
For you 2nd amend folks — the Heller Sup Ct decision in DC was huge and Gorsuch is now on the court. So your worst nightmares will not be realized…..strongest 2nd amend precedent there had been in many decades.
For the gun control crowd — yeah something is going to happen after this, or at least be proposed. Surety there will be stuff proposed that makes full auto harder to do or comes with a higher criminal penalty…no way around that. Spill over might go to high capacity mags as well. Worst case is like the Obama assault ban coming back (and keep in mind that was approved by the courts and only removed by Congress).
But that’s about it given that the GOP controls Congress, even if might become an off-term election issue.
Bottom line though when it comes to this issue on the Hill never bet against the NRA. Those guys are the best there is, and includes knowing how to both stall till the media cycle is done while giving up on smaller issues. Thinking in this case the give will be the full auto part.
But the guns were not full auto, which are already heavily regulated.
If full auto was not the right term of art versus modified, or kitted or whatever….then take it back. Not a gun expert, but know a lot about the politics of such. That used to be part of my job.
Funny thing is that statistics show that mentally ill individuals are actually LESS likely to kill people than the general public. Of course everyone says someone is mentally ill after they do something like this, but they’re not necessarily identified as mentally ill beforehand. You know it’s the old interview with the neighbors after the event, and they all say he was “such a nice, quiet guy” or someing like it.
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So, the question is: How do you identify those individuals who are likely to perpetrate these heinous crimes BEFORE they do it? Answer is: You can’t…and you never will. Yes, there are typically “warning signs” found AFTER the incident, but how do you monitor for that sort of thing before they take action? Do we begin monitoring everyone…in every way? Hell, would even some of the comments made on this board raise concerns with Big Brother if we were all being monitored for what we say? And of course, I’m just using us here for an example. But, imagine a world where our every social or public comment is monitored, scrutinized and held against us in a criminal or profiling manner? That’s not a society I want to live in. I know…some would say this is already happening.
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There is no perfect remedy, but according to the best studies factors to monitor are psychosis disorder, command hallucinations, medication non-adherence (mainly in terms of anti-psychotics),pattern of emergency hospitalizations, past violent incidents associated with illness, and co-occurring substance abuse. You are from Wisconsin, surely you are familiar with the 5th standard.