Earthlings have a petty low opinion of me. And why Shouldn’t they – I travel the galaxy and eliminate lifeforms. But I’m not that bad. In fact, I love being generous. I love to give back to the Universe!
I love the little tadpoles, the baby slimes and tiniest lifeforms. I’m talking about alien children of course! The smiles on their faces when you give them a gift. It’s heart warming! Nothing like it! Here you go little guy (Wedge hands a baby slime a gift) It’s a jack in the box! Wind it up for a surprise…
Doesn’t that just get you! There is nothing like it….well maybe something…I think its a lot like watching some of the electric runs in the SEC this year. I already talked about Nick Chubb with you but what about his teammate – Sony Michel.
The Positives: Georgia’s other running back might just be the second overall running back selected in the 2018 draft after Barkley. He’s not as big as Chubb – but he’s explosive. At 5’11, 212 pounds the South Florida product ran for 3,613 career rushing yards for the Bulldogs.
Michel’s resume at Georgia was filled with plenty of big runs. He is a former track star and expected to run somewhere around the 4.45 range when he runs at the combine. We will see how he does – but you can see his blazing runs on tape. But more than anything he is quick – really quick! He can stop on a dime, accelerate and change direction faster than he defender causing a lot of defenders to look silly!
Michel also contributed to the passing game at Georgia. He had 64 career catches for 621 yards. So he is a versatile back that will fit really well in Adam Gase’s offense.
The Negatives: Frankly, I don’t see a lot of negatives. The guy can run. He has had a history of injuries from High School to College including a torn ACL, a broken left forearm, and a left knee injury which took him out of the 2017 SEC Championship game. But if you watched the NCAA championship game you saw him at full speed, so it’s nothing to worry about.
He’s also not stellar in pass protection – but honestly you kind of expect some of these elite college rushers to need to work on that in the pros. In College and High School, coaches tend to want the ball in their hands when they are on the field.
If the Dolphins are looking for a power runner to pair with Drake – he is not the guy. But I suspect the Dolphins value versatility more than anything else.
The Alien Dust: I really love this running back. In fact, I pretty much love all the SEC running backs coming out.
A player like Michel, who split carries with Chubb has a lot left to contribute to the NFL. The power tandems in the SEC really should be an asset in the NFL. These guys don’t have a lot of wear and tear on their body.
It also should not go unnoticed that Michel is from Plantation and went to American Heritage High School, which is jus around the corner from Davie.
I wonder if Michel is already a Dolphin fan.
Michel is like an exploding gift box that some stupid baby slime thinks is a jack in the box….He will destroy the entire planet before you blink!
Oh….you didn’t think I was serious about that generous stuff did you?
You can watch his highlights here!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Lou – I think we’re more than just a 1st RD draft pick away from going to the SB, so I don’t have a problem taking a QB there. I understand why you feel that way, but I’m cool with it.
We’re definitely more than a 1st rd pick from going to the SB. Hell, we’re more than that away from seeing the playoffs but I don’t want to waste a 1st on a qb when we could get someone who could actually play for us and help make a difference.
I think the plan would be Allen would be the QB in ’19, and he would be ready to be our franchise guy. If you’re not a fan of Tannehill, which you aren’t, I would think you’d be in favor of this.
No, not at all. Allen isn’t even as good as Tannehill was coming out of A&M. The kid can’t hit the broad side of a barn.
ffr isn’t here during all your toasted bun talk
Where has FFR been?
All the talk of trolls, i would have thought he woulda showed up 🙂
He popped in once just once…..hope all is well with him.
Mike E. says:
January 24, 2018 at 8:05 pm
Sounds like we have a few culinary conscience people here, so . . .
Anyone have an air fryer, and if so, thoughts
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Im with Ken a little on this one too. I used the shit out of mine the first little while after i got it, but i rarely use it anymore. I think every once and a while ill do fries or fish sticks or something like that in it. I like not having to clean up all the grease from deep frying, i like that you dont have to stand over the thing or the food can go from cooked to burnt fast, it has its perks but it isnt going to revolutionize your kitchen.
But how does the food turn out?
Pretty much the same
Appreciate you input on this, I’ll just skip buying one. Just saved myself a bunch of money. Thanks
I dont think ill be disappointed in whomever they draft in the first, or at least whatever position player they draft. I might be pissed if they take someone that i feel they could have gotten a round or two later but overall we just have too many places to improve our team to be worried about taking a very specific position player. If QB if our BPA take it.
Oh, you underestimate the stupidity of Eddie Arcadian
I haven’t spoken to Rob (FFR) in a long time. I sent him a message on twitter a few months ago, no response. Like Stanger said, I hope he’s doing well.
The Flying Pig says:
January 24, 2018 at 7:51 pm
Cool Jeremiah
So no Nelson, No Smith and no Edmunds
Fuck off!!!
Who do we take if this happens?
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I was thinking the exact same thing, Pig… who do we take if this happens? Well, if we end up losing Jarvis, I suppose we could take the 1st and best WR on the board to replace him. The other possibility would be to take the 1st and best Tackle on the board… and if it’s a LT, maybe move Tunsil back to LG.
But like you, I’ll be really bummed if that’s how the first 10 picks go. The good news? I DOUBT that’s how the first 10 picks go. I have the feeling we’re going to see at least one more QB (perhaps 2) going in the top-10.
Mike McGlinchey
FSU’s Derwin James
BPA!!!!!!!!!!!!
seriously, I’d be more pissed about taking Allen at #11 than I was about taking Tannehill at #8. Imagine the incompetency of an organization that would screw that up twice.
The Phins will take Allen at #11 and five years from now we’re going to be here going back and forth about how he didn’t have an offensive line to protect him and he didn’t have a defense. Fuck that shit.
I knew the comparison would come out sooner or later and someone said it yesterday when talking about Allen, is he this year’s Carson Wentz. GTFO!! They want it to be so bad that they can’t see straight. The kid has athleticism and arm strength but he’s got very little to work with upstairs and his accuracy is the worst. Tannehill Lite.
Or he turns into Farve for the Stej and when we finally get rid of The Lady He kicks our ass for the next 12 years????????????????????????
IYHO
well, we won’t need to worry about that because the Jets can’t develop qb’s
I would say with the Bengals being above the league avg in cap space and Lazor being their OC that would be as much a possible landing spot for Landry as anywhere else.
wyoming85 says:
January 24, 2018 at 8:53 pm
Mike McGlinchey
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He’s a damn good player, but I’d be concerned about his height/weight ratio vs powerful/shorter DEs. The DE is going to easily get lower than McGlinchey and win with a lower center of gravity.
I’d also question how much of McGlinchey’s job was made much easier by playing right next to Quenton Nelson.
Played Right and Left!
would be a nice safety net!!!!!!
wyoming85 says:
January 24, 2018 at 8:55 pm
FSU’s Derwin James
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I really don’t like the idea of drafting Derwin so early when we already have Reshad and TJ in the fold, but that’s just me. And as Rhino mentioned the other day, he’s not a BALL HAWK!!! 🙂
If he can cover a TE I don’t care if he knocks it down!
I’m well aware of Allen’s short comings!
But he has always been a winner!
And as someone who has to watch A&M you are wrong about the Tanny – Allen comparison Lou!
you’re correct. he’s not even as good as Tannehill was coming out of A&M. I’m not going to be sitting here four or five years from now having the same conversations about him that we had about Tannehill. Allen is NOT a winner. He’s NOT a leader. He’s NOT a guy who is capable of putting a team on his back and winning games. He’s NOT a difference maker. Forget it. We take this kid I’ll root for Philly since I’m in PA anyway.
OK Lou whatever
Let’s just say I might have watched his games or 2
And you and Orob will look good in Philly gear! 😉
I guess 8-5 is your definition of a winner. I’ve watched quite a few of Allen’s games. He’s worse than Tannehill was coming out of A&M. Extremely inconsistent. Terrible accuracy. He reminds me a lot of Gabbert.
With the talent on the Wyoming team 8 and 5 is a winner!
But I’m done !
Whatever only time will tell?
I don’t understand why you seem to be getting upset. I’m offering my opinion on the guy and that’s how I feel about it. Nothing more than that.
I’ve seen it year after year where these guys get pushed up into the first round because of teams needing a quarterback and some get overhyped and you know yourself they don’t always work out.
You can say NFL GM’s were wrong about Wilson but they were also wrong about RGIII. How many qb’s were taken in the first that didn’t pan out? And, this kid is starting off behind the eight ball with his lack of skills at the position.
Plus, he says he would be good with coming in and being Tannehill’s backup. Don’t you want a guy who would say, “I’m going to go to Miami looking to win the starting spot” ?
I’m not upset!
I enjoy talking draft and prospects!
The difference is I’m not going to ready to go to the BUST extreme quite yet
I have an air fryer. I can’t say I’ve used it all that much. Has the rotisserie attachment and all that. What I REALLY like about it is I’m not nearly as worried my 13 yr old son is going to burn my house down whenever he decides he wants to deep fry something. So there’s that.
All you all can fuck off 😆 I’ll meet you at the fest 🎸🎼😎👍🐕
You tell em dog
Absolutely butter buns 😆
Hot “dog” buns?
Hulk buns .. What do you put in those ? A Subaru 😳
This guy is picking of steam lately
Don’t need to spend a 1st on a QB to develop behind RT17…..
Two Western Kentucky qb’s on the same team. Can you imagine that? I doubt that’s ever happened in the history of the league; having two qb’s from the same college team.
He’s actually the one qb I could see the Pats taking as their backup to Brady.
Late to the party but I agree with Lou on almost all of the QBs lol. Come to the dark side Lou! Baker….Baker..! He’s better than hot midget se…oh, getting carried away again. He has looked good in yet another challenge as he will in the NFL. Baker…Lou, he’s calling you!
Mayfield will be overdrafted like a lot of qb’s before him. He’s this year’s RGIII IMHO. Of course, it’s just my opinion but we’ll see how it plays out. If he drops out of the top 10 I wouldn’t touch him. If he’s as good as some think he should go well before then.
If he drops that far then there’s a red flag somewhere.
Oh. I thought you were talking about Mayfield and here you’re talking about Lou Baker. I don’t know the guy
2) A long-time director of College Scouting for one team told us it’s an unheralded and deep TE crop in Mobile, but “the Wisconsin kid is best,” speaking of Troy Fumagalli.
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Josh Allen and Tanner Lee can both look absolutely awful at times even against vanilla all-star schemes. An opposing NFL DC w/ a week to dial up a game plan would be taking candy from a baby at this time.
If the Phins are serious about drafting a guy to replace Moore and not Tannehill then I could see White being an option. He’s got a really good arm and is pretty accurate.
I wouldn’t expect us to transition tag Landry because we’ll tie up the little cap space we’ve got with the tag when we need to sign free agents.
Unbelievable ice jams on the river in my area causing some flooding due to a backup. I’ve never seen anything like this. It looks like there’s 3 ft of snow on top of the river and looks like you can walk on it.
It also has grooves in it like someone was driving a vehicle thru it. The ice is almost right up to the bottom side of the 3 bridges in my area. It looks like something out of The Day After Tomorrow.
Lou – Who/what is Roster Watch?
Oh. That’s a fake expert draft account I set up. Figure if PFF can do it why not
LOL – For real? That’s funny
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article196439119.html
“Those issues include but are not exclusive to: poor attention to detail; Landry’s inability to control his emotions, often to the detriment of his team; and a deficiency in leadership.
Landry was so upset by the report that he contacted a Miami Herald reporter to say his negotiations with the organization on a new deal have been “handled a bit disrespectful.” Landry, whose 400 catches are more than any other player has had through four seasons, added that he still would like to remain with the Dolphins if an agreement can be reached.”
Thus proving his inability to control his emotions. Another good blurb – “However, some industry sources here believe Landry’s deal will not come close to $14 million or $15 million annually, thinking that $10 million per season is a more likely range. “
Landry was so upset by the report that he contacted a Miami Herald reporter
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I don’t really have any idea what he’ll end up getting, because what salaries should be and what actually happens in FA are 2 different things. We’ve seen it countless times. Some team that has plenty-o-cap space that needs a WR, like the 49ers, Colts, Jets, Bucs, etc. will overpay. Think of the Jets, who will probably be w/o Robbie Anderson, they may even end up cutting him, so they will desperately need WR help for the new QB they draft.
Try dat. However, I think Landry is going to be disappointed in the slot receiver market that doesn’t care how prolific you are. But it only takes one team.
“This guy is picking of steam lately.”
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The guys on NFL network were liking White quite a lot yesterday, but I was focusing more on OL and defense the first 2 days. I will pay a little more attention to White today.
Watching his video from above, he does seem to have good ball placement. I know it is a highlight reel, but I have seen many videos were the QB didn’t have the best ball placement.
Im not a big fan of his, i dont see starter in him. He might turn into a very capable backup to low end starter but that’s not what we should be looking for IMO.
Most likely, but I really don’t know anything about him. …Other then Mayock and the other guys talking him up yesterday and that 4 minute video above.
Sources with the Titans think it is likely that the organization will move on from veteran running back DeMarco Murray this offseason. They feel it is Derrick Henry’s team now and that Henry is ready to be their bell-cow back. Tennessee can save cap space by releasing Murray, and staffers feel that Murray is on the decline. The 2018 NFL Draft is strong and deep at the running back position, so the Titans could get a good value with a backup to Henry in the mid-rounds.
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Id take on Murry with the idea he was a compliment to Drake and let them split carries accordingly, but that also would only be IF Murray would come in at the value of a vet Rb who would be in that role, so he would have to take a pay cut.
That’s a big IF, but I wouldn’t mind having him too.
Titans sources say that they fear that defensive end Kevin Dodd was a wasted pick by general manager Jon Robinson. They like Dodd as a player, teammate and worker, but they feel that Dodd is a square peg in a round hole in Tennessee. Dodd is a 4-3 defensive end and is a misfit in the Titans’ 3-4 scheme. He has one sack and 12 tackles after 17 games. Unfortunately for Dodd, new head coach Mike Vrabel has a 3-4 background and Tennessee is expected to stick with that defense.
The slim hope for salvaging Dodd is that Vrabel and the Texans moved Jadeveon Clowney around from playing outside linebacker to defensive end a lot over the past two years because of the injuries to J.J. Watt. Clowney even lined up as an inside linebacker or defensive tackle at times. Perhaps Vrabel could resurrect Dodd by using him as an undersized five-technique 3-4 defensive end. Right now, Tennessee staffers fear that Robinson wasted the 33rd pick of the 2016 NFL Draft on Dodd.
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This one may even be more interesting. Dodd in our scheme would be a better fit, so if they do cut ties with Dodd, maybe we should be there to make a claim and pick up his rookie contract.
Interesting…
It doesn’t sound like they plan on cutting him, at least that’s not how I interpreted it. Sounds like they may try to move him to LB, see if they can work him there.
To me it sounds like they are contemplating it because they see it as a wasted pick, especially for their pick, so trade might be a more likely possibility. It does seem that they are going to let Vrabel see if they think they can salvage him but making a move to OLB, but the tone of that “slim chance” statement makes me think there is a good possibilty they wont go that way.
After going back and looking at Marcus Davenport im thinking his speed rushing is superb, but im not sure he is going to be a guy we couple install immediately as a 3 down DE. He seems like he is going to need some strength and conditioning and some technique training to learn how to mix in power moves to be complete as a pass rusher, and a little more technique training on staying outside the hands of OL for run support. Imean the kid is almost 6’7 and the OL are getting to his body and when they do he is pretty much done. In the NFL those guys are going to eat him up. So i still think on talent and physicality alone, probably a good day 2 pick, probably even round 2 specifically, but i dont know if he is as refined as he needs to be to be a round 1 selection.
He’ll definitely need work, no doubt. But he has been mixing it up this week with speed rush, bull rush, three-stance, and two-stance. He also rushed a couple times from the inside. He definitely has a lot of potential.
They also feel he will eventually play at 270.
Damn it loos liek Penny is hurting his draft stock with fumbles in the practices. They said he had two hard hits and both of them he coughed up the ball. I mean in one way you can say, well he might drop some for us to take him, but then you have to say, do we want a RB that fumbles?
I think Gase has made it clear what happens when you fumble.
He’d be worth one of our 4th RD picks to see if we can’t correct that issue. He definitely has talent.
D – If they cut him, there’s no reason for us not to put in a claim. That would be like an extra draft pick for us.
Id be willing to trade one of our 4th for him as well. I cant believe Dodd wouldn’t be as good as anyone we might get in the 4th.
Yeah thats the part i think people like Tim aren’t taking into consideration, FA isn’t just about the player and what they produce, its about when they hit FA, how many teams want them, what your plan B is, and where they sit among the other players in the FA cycle. It also can really depend on if you are the first person to sign the contract of the next, or the next, so on and so forth.
By the time it gets down to it, Landry is going to be the top WR, with not a lot of other players around him on the same level as him. Robinson from the Jags is most likely getting the FT. Sammy Watkin’s career has been just destroyed by injuries and he has only had one 1k receiving year, and it was barely over 1k. Thats his two strongest competitors, and i dont know if Watkins is realistically competition at this point. Like mike said, there are cap space teams needing WR, especially in situations where a QB friendly receiver like Landry would help them.
So you cant really say what you think he is worth based upon the reflection of how you see his production (even though i do feel a lot who argue against him aren’t giving him fair credit there either), you have to say his worth is what his market value is. What we are willing to spend is not a factor in setting his worth, its a factor of the maximum we can afford to do to keep a guy we hold in high regard. If we dont hold him in high regard or we cant afford him at his market value, he walks. If we can, then we pay him what the market says we have to to retain him.
We have a slight upper hand right now, because we are still setting the market, because we are the only ones in it and its his decision to accept the market value we are setting being fair to what the market MAY be by the time he hits FA. If he comes down off of his price, its because he knows the market climate could change, and there is a good possibility his value will drop and instead of risking it he takes “bird in the hand”. If he sees the potential market trending upwards, he likely holds out, hits FA and then takes a deal more than we are currently offering.
So if we value him, and we dont want to lose him, our offer right now should be strong, it doesn’t have to meet the number he is asking but it should be one that’s strong enough that he considers the fact he really doesn’t want to lose out on that just to risk it for a little bit more. Again, all this is assuming we want to retain him, and its likely Gase and the FO already have that decision, so if they are low balling him, they aren’t strongly wanting to keep him and have a plan B for moving on without him. If they are close, we obviously want him back, and i feel that Jarvis will sign after waiting for a few other moves to happen and then sign with us. I think specifically, when we get close to FT time, as soon as there is indication that Robinson is or isn’t getting the FT, will make Landry lock in one way or the other.
Landry is a weird FA cause he plays the slot, and we’ve seen both how good he is at that and how average he is on the boundary. He simply can’t be the #1 guy on a top team unless they are loaded elsewhere. Put him on the Falcons and he might be the key piece that gets them the ring, but don’t think a rebuilding team would care much at the money it would take.
I started with the thought that the more they think of Parker maybe the less we need Landry, but could be the more they think of Parker the more ready we are to keep Landry.
now that I read through all that back forth between rob and D it’s time to do some lines and watch some porn in my office to get my head clear 🙂
LOL — I give my wife crap all the time about her Bravo Housewives shows……don’t think I can do that any more.
OMG my wife watches that shit all the time and she’s trying to get me into it as well. Its kinda funny to see how the 1% spend their time.
But it is a subsection of the 1%…..the ones who want to be on a reality TV show. And most of them are the wives who didn’t make the money (normally the trophy ones). Not shocking that a lot of narcissists made the cut, especially since the makers wanted drama most of all.
LOL Boulder – Sounds like a solid plan
LOL @ Boulder. Like i said, to you and all the rest that didn’t need to be involved im sorry for it.
I really think it does boils down to Parker, or at least who their top two is. They really wouldn’t be able to afford to have all three receivers making topish contracts, so its going to come down to a decision of who is in their top 2. Stills hits a cut year same time as we have to be thinking about re-signing Parker, so even keeping Landry we still arent stuck with all three at top contracts because we can let Parker walk next yar, or re-sign Parker and cut stills. Whatever way it works out, my feeling is they will always keep the top two (in their eyes) of them at top 10 type contracts and the other one will wind up cut, or being let to walk in FA. If they see Stills and Parker as their top, then Landry walks this year, so we get an idea of how they see it coming up pretty soon.
Sometimes when you get to certain points of the contracts and things line up, you really see the magic of how they structure these contracts. There is definitely an artistic quality to it and some serious future planning.
Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield got a lot of media acclaim for his practice on Wednesday. However, a general manager of a quarterback-needy team at the end of the practice told me that Wyoming’s Josh Allen was the most impressive. “Josh is head-and-shoulders above the rest of the quarterbacks here,” said the general manager. “Baker was fine; he had a nice day, but he’s not on Josh’s level.”
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Man they are loving them some Josh Allen it seems. Also not a great endorsement for Mayfield at all.
Sounds like a GM that wants Mayfield, so he talks up Allen. Reading the article it doesn’t sound like Allen had a good day at all.
That interception of Allen wasn’t the only play the Hawaii safety Trayvon Henderson made on the day though, as the Rainbow Warrior was all over the field, causing havoc. On another play, Henderson jumped an out route intended for Lazard, but dropped the interception. During seven-on-sevens, Henderson made up for that by reading Nebraska quarterback Tanner Lee’s eyes and came across the body of Colorado State receiver Michael Gallup, who sat down on a hook route, and took the ball away for a pick-six.
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Thats one of the guys i listed yesterday as one of the guys we interviewed at Senior Bowl.
D, I’m not saying Landry won’t get a big offer on the open market. I said I wouldn’t pay him in that upper echelon range.
Yeah i know, but its not that he isn’t worth that much, because if someone will pay him that much he is by definition worth it lol. What you are really saying is with our limited cap space you would spend elsewhere, and that a decision that has to be made, but i also know they can make space if they need to so that part doesn’t worry me as much, and id rather spend to keep a player that contributes to team in ways that many other players who have come and gone have not. Part of what drives up value are the rare qualities that he does posses, and when im deciding on what i am losing, or what i would have to give up, or what i would have to spend to replace those thing i factor it into my top number, and for me 13mil is about where i top out, you seem to top out about 10, and to me there really isnt that much difference that i would lose him over 3mil.
Its inherently hard for people in our positions to comprehend numbers like these, so i can see people being conservative about stuff like that, bu i just dont think that kinda of thinking has a place in this discussion, because its a multi-billion dollar industry in which this shit is happening every year. Zeitler is a good example, he happened to be the best OG available last year and he gor a record setting 12mil per contract as an OG. Was he that good of an OG that he deserved that, no, but a lot of teams were willing to pay him close to that, he had a bunch of suitors, including us. That has completely changed the landscape of that position so now a top OG in FA, as long as if he is comparable to Zeitler can ask for more than that this next year, and so on and so forth.
It’s a system that is set up to work that way and it does self regulates because, due to salary cap. Teams will eventually find themselves in situations where they cant afford to sign them and they will just take their chances with the draft, and the more those numbers clime the more they get close to a point where no one can afford to spend that much and things will slow down. Still teams are likely setting themselves back a couple of years at those positions, by letting the vet walk to replace with a rookie, unless of course they have a next man up scenario that offers a lesser dropoff. We really dont have that next man up ready to take over for Landry, i think Caroo was supposed to be that guy. I think they drafted him with the anticipation that they needed that for the what if scenario we are currently in with Landry, but he failed. So to me we now have to decide if we pay the 13-15mil or do we take a hit at receiver this next year.
I understand that salary numbers always go up for all positions and available FAs. But one team that gets to the Super Bowl often doesn’t engage in such practices. They might target one somewhat big FA every other year or so, but the ones they target are usually the best at what they do. We also see how they let their own players go before they have to pay them 2nd contracts and look to replace them with similar – even if not as good, affordable options. Why not copy the team that has a reign of success as opposed to the approach that doesn’t usually work out.
So for me, Landry’s production just doesn’t add up to upper echelon money despite all his intangibles. The Giants are going to have this issue with Beckham very soon and he’s much more “out of line” than Landry is when it comes to losing their cool and all that other stuff. The problem for the Giants is Beckham’s production does add up to upper echelon money. Many in the local NY media along with fans have been talking about trading him and the concerns with giving him that big contract.
Another part of the discussion is that teams with highly paid WRs are not usually the most successful teams with the exception of a few from time to time. Our offense hasn’t exactly been very good with Landry over the years and this year we were pretty awful. So what is his value to us really? That while we’re scoring 20 or less points he has 7 catches for 63 yards and a TD here and there?
Ohio State defensive end Tyquan Lewis showed nice potential to move inside to tackle in a sub-package role with success rushing the passer against guards. He used speed to fire by Scott Quessenberry to win one rep. Lewis used a bull rush to plow Washington State guard Cole Madison into the quarterback marker. Lewis (6-2, 276) lacks length for end in the NFL, and if he adds some weight, he could become a three technique in a 4-3 defense. He could provide mismatch speed against guards with natural pad level. Lewis could be a mid-rounder who develops into a new position at the pro level and becomes a contributor.
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Mikey you were asking about this guy yesterday so i thought id post this for you. I think he could easily play DE in a 4-3, he’d be more like Hayes though, and i think he would give us versatility to shift into 3 tech (like they are saying above) so we could mix up our alignments. I agre though im thinking 4th round, like i told you yesterday.
Thanks D – That’s exactly what I was thinking – He’d be a guy that can set the edge, and provide just a little pass rush.
Just like Hayes
Also they said Fumagalli had a really good couple of practices and Mason Cole has had a couple of bad ones. I know both of these guys have been mentioned around here as possible selections for us.
I like Fumagalli, especially with some marinara sauce and shaved Parmesan.
Racist Troll……
Every team sets their own value on players. The smart teams don’t ignore that value and overpay for players all the time. Sure, maybe you do it once in awhile for truly elite players, but you can’t build a consistently stable team for the long haul on overpriced FAs. If the Dolphins decide Landry is one of those guys they want to throw big money at, so be it. It’s not the end of the world, but I think it’s a bad business decision if done over and over.
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I’d prefer to keep him, but I would do it at my price, not his. He’s good, but he’s not “gotta have” good. Just my opinion.
Here’s the thing about Landry if anyone is asking me….and no one is. He was the spark, the best player on offense in a lot of games so he’s a fan favorite. When you think about how bad we were offensively this year being the best thing maybe isn’t all that much of an accomplishment. I like him, don’t get me wrong. But is he really all that or is it compared to others on our team that is making him stand out?
I get what you’re saying, but if a bad offense loses their most productive player, does it get better or worse?
I’m not making an argument one way or another but just asking is his value to the team distorted.
Also, what has been one of this team’s biggest issues the last few years? Undisciplined play. Landry is probably one of the most undisciplined players we have. So yes…he’s very productive, but is he the sort of player you want to build your team around when he is exactly what you don’t want in terms of discipline? Does that lower his value to the Dolphins?
That may be the problem right there. The Giants have the same issue with his bestest friend OBJ, and he’s a lot more talented than Landry. The Giants are probably going to keep him, but they have issues with his discipline.
See my 1:00 reply to D.
Tim,
All I see is that you must have caught D-itus from the length of your post. Lol
LOL, except mine is narrower because of the reply so it’s an illusion. 🙂
herd,
I think fans inflate the value of their own players all the time, so yes.
I think fans also underestimate the value of their own players too, it works both ways.
Definitely does.
Landry is a nice player to have as a 2nd rd draft pick doing what he does. But it’s a whole different ball game when he wants to be treated as elite because he’s not. I do think Landry’s value is over inflated due to the emotional tie fans have with him. But look at his production and be honest with yourself about it. If he was on another team being a UFA would you be calling for the Dolphins to sign him in FA at the rate he’s asking?
An some one give me an example of a successful team letting its best draft picks in free agency?
I would like to see where this is a successful approach from the crowd that thinks letting alansry go is not a smart decision.
I don’t think you draft good players for 5 years and then let them loose. I don’t think the nfl works well on a 5 year cycle like that
The hated Pat’s
they replaced almost their whole LB core and are still going bowling?
NE and PIT do it all the time if they feel the player is good but not great.
The only area where Landry ranks high is in receptions. In every other category he’s low on the list of production. Don’t we complain all the time about the short shit we throw too often for minimal gain? Who do you think is the target most of the time?
I was a fan of OV and Clay but knew their contract demands were over the top. I understood why we passed. The production didn’t match the deals they were offered by other teams. Was our FO right or wrong in those two situations?
Read my post at 1:52PM. The thing is Tim, he hasn’t gotten any silly offers yet, so they should try and work with him to get closer, but if they don’t want him, it won’t matter, so they won’t.
The reports I’ve read is that the deal we did offer him came back as being a few million dollars off per year. That tells me we probably offered him around $10M per and Landry’s camp wants $13-14M which is what is also being reported. There’s the divide.
Tim, the Dolphins didn’t respond to his last offer in December
They aren’t even trying now
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Piggy,
NE lets good players walk all the time. But, I get your point. Like I said, i’d keep him, but where do you draw the line? Who’s a player you gotta overpay for and who’s not? That is what every team has to decide for themselves…and it doesn’t always come down to just on field production. And, you can’t keep them all. Every team is gonna lose good players in FA.
They didn’t let Tom Brady walk
Letting good players walk and letting your best players walk are 2 different things – the patriots are a horrible example
If the Dolphins overpay Landry, it’s bc they let it get this far
If you ask me the FO already created a disaster
I don’t understand letting it get this far? We offered him a deal and he turned it down. See my reply to Mike at 1:52.
Come on. He made an offer in december and the Dolphins ignored it (they didn’t respond)
The dolphins could have re-signed him last offseason and they didn’t
Tim
I’m always honest when it comes to this stuff. What would be the point of me not being honest? I look at a guy who suits up every game, plays like he wants to win every game, every play, blocks like no other WR on this team blocks, and just seems to give max effort every time he catches the ball, to get as much as he can after the catch. Another huge thing for me is he’s reliable catching the football, which is not something we really have no. Stills is OK, but he’s had issues there before, and Parker is inconsistent, and not reliable to play every game. Landry plays every game, and plays it how I like to see a guy on my team play. Can’t say that about any other WR on our team right now.
All of that is true. But what are the end results?
Not sure what you mean by end results, W/L? Does Landry decide that any more than any other player does? See Larry Fitzgerald again. lol
Pitt resigned Brown and Rothliaberher
They don’t do this either
Read what I asked guys
Show me a team that lets it’s best players go that’s successful
What Pitt and The pats do is evaluate their best player and keep him at the expand of letting other players go
You can’t keep everyone – I get that
But you have to keep your best players
I agree – Larry Fitzgerald, at this point of his career is very similar to Landry, and the Cardinals kept him there. Just because you don’t average 14+ YPR, doesn’t mean you’re not a valuable receiver
Fitzgerald is making $16.8M BTW
If you build through the draft
And you sign those rookies to 5 years
And you let the best ones go
What your window for success?
It’s not the first couple of years if their contract for obvious reasons
It’s a tiny window of 2-3 years
That won’t get you to a annual postseason
I just don’t see the logic
That’s what I said in my article a week or so ago. We finally nailed a frigging pick, so we let him walk? Why???
Bc we are bozos (if we do it)
All this stuff about overpaying
It means nothing
What matters is where you allocate the money
Is paying your best player the most money so hard to understand
If we draft the next great Dolphin in 2018, Landry’s contract would have expired by the time that contract is due
If Charles Harris is the next nfl mvp – Landry will be in his final year of his contract and it won’t affect him
Pay your best players now – keep them
And bring in more players
If you are lucky enough to have too many high contracts on your best players – it means you have a good team
Let me tell you what the Tripp’s and Steelers would not have done. They would not have signed Branch and Kiko to those contracts
There are vets you let go bc of salary concerns, but not your best ones
Tim
We are not doing short dink and dunk bc of Landry
We are not going deep bc of other players
I’m sorry but your thinking on this subject is ass backwards
You don’t fix things but getting rid of the good parts
You get rid of the bad parts, keep the good parts and bring in more good parts
The Brady/Big Ben comparisons are off because QB is a different beast.
The bottom line is I don’t think Landry is as good as you and some other do. I thought Bess was overrated too even though I liked him. I think Landry is better than Bess but his overall impact and production is not much more.
You used New England and Pitt as your examples of teams that let their best players go
It’s not my comparison
They don’t let their best players go and besides that the Steelers made Brown the highest paid receiver in the nfl and the patriots squeezed everything they could out of a player like wilfork before they let him hit the market (in 2014 he signed a 3 year 22m deal)
You used QB as examples which is a different beast. Also Antonio Brown’s numbers are on a totally different level than Landry. But those two teams have let players walk who are seeking salaries that don’t match the production.
Tim – Check out Larry Fitzgerald’s stats. Tell me how different he is from Landry, and then look at what Fitzgerald is getting paid.
Fitz is being paid for past production because he was one of the dominant WRs in the league and in their franchise history. No comparing the two players. That’s what I think is part of the disconnect in this debate. People are making Landry out to be something he is not.
At the end of the day I’m going to roll as a fan of the team whether we sign him or not. I’m just stating what I would do if I was the GM having to make the decision on him. I don’t think his impact is anywhere near what some of you guys think he brings to the table. That’s all.
It really doesn’t matter what’s landry is
Or what we think he should be paid
It matters what the Dolphins are
And without Landry in 2018, the Dolphins are 1 of their best players (if not the best) weaker
I think the consumption with what “Landry is worth” is baffling bc it doesn’t matter whether he’s overpaid or underpaid to the Dolphins chances
But it matters whether he is here or not
We get undeniably worse
I am surprised anyone can make an argument that it doesn’t make us worse
There’s nothing wrong with Branch’s contract. It’s right where it should be.
You have no problem with a 10m salary cap hit for 2018 and a 9m cap hit in 2019?
It’s a 3 year $24M deal for a starter with an easy out after 2 years. His money was front loaded. Branch is like the 20 something highest paid DE based on contract size.
He’s only the 11th highest paid 4-3 DE in the nfl
No problem at all
https://overthecap.com/position/4-3-defensive-end/
I know I always expect a top 20 paid DE to half his production after a big contract. Not worrisome at all…lol
Branch played injured for 2-3 games and was clearly not the same and also missed 2 games. Along with Hayes going down, that’s why we saw more of Harris, Fede and Malveaux down the stretch.
But we paid Branch big money for production. He didn’t provide it and he’s only played a full season twice in his career
Mike Gesicki looks really good in red zone drills.
I liked what I saw from Durham Smythe too.
Piggy,
So, a team can never not sign a good player because we get worse because of it? The reality is that every team has to make tough decisions about FAs all the time. You can never keep all your best players for many different reasons. Landry is just another example of a tough FA decision a team has to make. Comparing this decision to NE’s decision to keep Brady is a huge stretch. The two players aren’t even in the same stratosphere…and QBs are always overpaid…even mediocre ones.
Piggy, you’re doing a lot of assuming about we could have already re-signed Landry. He turned down our offer and the FO thinks he’s over-pricing himself. It’s not that complicated. He thinks he’s worth more than the FO does. Happens all the time in the league and that’s why teams let players walk in FA.
This has always been a sports debate about a player being good vs. great. I don’t value Landry as great. That doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s a good player.
Tim – So it’s OK to pay a guy for what he used to do, but not what a guy can do, and who is in his prime, and improving? Not sure I can agree with that logic
Plus, if we pay Landry say $12-13M, that’s still $3-5M less per year than Fitzgerald
He’s still doing it. Did you ever look at Fitz’s numbers? His numbers dropped for a few years when ARZ had no QB. But his deal is a also a one year deal being that he’ll be entering his 15th season. His salary is $11M with bonuses and incentives.
You think Landry is close to being on the same level? That’s where I can’t wrap my ahead around some of the comparisons being thrown out there.
Are you kidding me? Landry’s numbers are almost identical to Fitzgerald’s the last 3 years. Forget the YPR this year, that was because our offense was garbage this year, but they are right there, look for yourself.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LandJa00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FitzLa00.htm
So if you think Fitz is “Still doing it”, then you think Landry is too. I don’t know what else to say
We can agree to disagree on this comparison. It’s not the same to me. Fitz’s overall career definitely had something to do with it and you could argue that’s a huge chunk of change for a WR going into his 15th season and now with no future starting QB.
Allen Lazard showing great hands in red zone drills today.
He’s a BIG target too. I actually saw him play in a bowl game this year, he’s tough to defend, or at least they had a tough time in that game
Piggy,
You are giving great points. In the end, are we going to find similar production from FA or our current WR core if Landry is let go? Not even close. Parker has been a huge disappointment. Stills is a solid #2. Where is that next guy in line? Caroo? LOL?! Is that who we hope will replace Landry? We make ourselves weaker, show our own players that working your ass off doesn’t pay, and use stupid platitudes that get us no closer to the playoffs than before.
Tim – Hold on a second – You said Fitz is still doing it. That’s what D and I mean by people underrating their own players. You see Fitz from a distance putting up identical numbers to Landry, but you think he’s playing well, while Landry is doing it for our team, yet he doesn’t do enough and he’s not worth it. The numbers are there, and they prove me right.
In their prime Landry is not even close to the level that Fitz was. I don’t think you’ll find one person who follows the game who thinks that. Except maybe an ultimate Landry homer, there are always a few fans who just love a player. Fitz got this deal before Palmer retired at the season’s end. Now there are some concerns on all sides about the status of the team. Fitz could ask for an out or might retire with the status of the team.
I don’t see how that means Landry should get a new deal in the 5 year $60M range as the Dolphins go forward. What does the Cardinals’ situation have to do with us?
I never said in their prime Tim – I’m taking apples to apples now, what they both are currently doing, and on that note, Landry is on the rise, while Fitzgerald is on the decline. Fitz is getting about $17M per year for putting up Landry type numbers. With better QB play, and better O-line play, and a more balanced offense, Landry will probably catch less balls, but his YPR will probably go up, and his TD’s hopefully stay the same. If he could catch about 70-75 balls for a 1000 yards and 8 or more TD’s, he’s worth $12-13M IMO
For the record, there are a few WRs who got deals I think were over-priced and I would not have have paid that if I was a GM. WR is the most abundant position to find. I would go in another direction. That doesn’t mean I’m right, but it doesn’t mean I’m wrong. I would build my team a different way than to pay a guy like Landry that kind of money. But if we did pay him I’ll still be rooting for him as a fan. It’s different between a fan view and a FO view. I control none of it. Just saying what I would do if I was a GM. If I can’t replace Landry’s production much cheaper, than I would fire myself. LOL
Mike, we’ve never seen that Landry you are projecting. Why can’t we just see him for what he is instead of trying to prop him up to this level he has never been. Why can’t he just be viewed as good, tough and gritty and not elite?
Yeah, because we’ve been a shitty offense since he’s been here. It’s a fact, but that’s not because of him, it’s in spite of him. We need a TE, we need our QB to have time, and we need a consistent running game.
New age, Branch is not being paid big money. 3 years $24M for a vet DE starter is middle of the road. So if that is big money, let’s offer Landry being that he’s a bit younger 5 years $40M and call it a day?
Exactly. That amount is chump change for a DE and consider DE is one of the most valuable and highest paid positions on the team. Branch’s contract is right where it should have been.
He’ s paid in the top 17 in average contract for a DE in the entire NFL?! That’s not chump change. The guy has been injured almost his entire career and has never been a super productive DE. You guys clearly need glasses lol.
Tim – There’s two sides to every discussion. I think about all the 1st and 2nd RD WR’s that hardly ever see the field, or just don’t produce like they are expected to, like Parker, Justin Hunter, Aaron Dobson, Sammy Watkins, Marqise Lee, Jordan Matthews, Cody Latimer, Sammie Coates, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, Phillip Dorsett, Devin Smith, Dorial Green-Beckham, . The NFL is littered with failures like these, and these are all 1st and 2nd RD picks. You scoff at the one who plays every game and has been nothing but productive from day one.
Our offense isn’t better than it should be because of him either. His production per catch is not very good.
Stills averages 8.8 less yards per game than Landry on half the catches.
Parker averages 10.2 less yards per game than Landry on half the catches.
Yet Stills is somewhat inconsistent and Parker has been a disappointment. So Landry suffers because of them? Maybe our offense has been too dependent on Landry at limited production.
I feel it has been and I agree with you TE is part of the problem. I’d prefer to see the backs more involved in the passing game and we started to see that after we traded Ajayi. I also think the OL has been an issue, we all have.
My fear is Landry’s production will never match what he’s asking for and that money could have been spent elsewhere to improve the team. I could be wrong but 4 years has pretty much set his body of work and what to expect. If he shows in the future he’s capable of more than that whether with us or with another team, I’ll admit I was wrong about him. I just don’t know what else to go by other than what he’s done. To me he is what he is and that’s fine. I just don’t see top tier WR production.
M13 cringes seeing Dobson – The dreaded Dobson fly
My boy Obo is doing pretty well at the Senior Bowl practices I hear. Would love to have that kid on the team. Non-stop, great talent and high character individual.
its not about being treated as elite Tim, its about supply and demand, its about market value, its about what number it takes to be retained. In one years market he’s a 10 mil per guy, in another he’s 13. He is the same person either year, but his value changes due to the change of the market.
Lets say you have been renting a Jaguar under a discounted rental agreement for the past 4 years. This year that rental agreement ends and you have to renew and its going to cost 13k a year rental. They do have some Subaru’s and Infinity’s that are 8k, maybe a few others that are 6.5k, if you are in the market to get a more reasonable rental. You really dont want to go the downgrade route, because you are comfortable with the Jag, all 4 years it handled really well, your experience was really good with that rental. Yeah the rental cost jumped and its nearing the cost of a Lambo rental, and you know its not a Lambo, but there are no Lambo’s to rent this year and really you had no intentions of renting a Lambo anyways. You are really looking for something of the Jaguars class and dependability in a rental.
So do you really want to downgrade to the 8k a year rental? Sure ya have some historical information to tell you how much the last renters enjoyed it, and they did seem to, but you just aren’t sure its going to be as good or dependable as your Jag. You could downgrade even further, a little less favorable reviews, but at the price its kind of a get what you pay for thing.
Another option would be to take the hot off the press car they have in the showroom, brand new, new paint, looks like its might even be an upgrade, but no history on that vehicle to get a good judgement on and even though its only 4k a yer to rent, it also had a side cost of 11bitcoins, which themselves have a value and could have been used to spend on adding a Hummer to your collection (the trucks and SUV’s in your collection are kind of weak after-all).
Man it sure would have been an easier decision if the Infinity you rented a couple years ago, the one you wasted all those extra bitcoins on would have turned out to be as good of a ride as that Jaguar, but you are contemplating trading that one in at this point. I mean you due have that Tesla, its kinda fast and fun to drive but it runs out of juice before the end of the trip. An you do have that stretched Mercedez, but that thing breaks down all the time and even though you have had it on the cheap these first 3 years, you really dont know if you will renew it when that special pricing ends.
Man that Jaguar, even at 13k a year is sounding pretty good, you know what ya got, you know you get consistent production, but 13k is a hefty price tag. You can move some things around in your budget to afford it, so its not like you cant afford it at that price, but you will have to play musical chairs with some other contracts down the road. Its a hard decision but you have looked over the whole lot and you just dont see one that gives you the same assurance the Jag does. What to do.
they don’t need to pay Landry. this guy is the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf8gep1zZ7c
Or you can add him to the list of failed WR prospects that’s littering the NFL, some of which I’ve mentioned.
I would love to see the XFL succeed but if there’s no franchises again and all the teams are owned by the league it’s just going to fail like last time.
They need to have 8 separate owners of the teams and not have full control. Otherwise, it’s doomed. It probably won’t last a full season.
Branch has played two full seasons in his career. He was considered a bust in Jax. The only elite numbers he’s ever put up are at the buffet bar. He’ s the perfect example of overpaying for a position no matter how average the production. His contract and Alonso’s were above market value for their production. No one else would have paid them those numbers.
I say anyone else would have paid them, because that was their market lol. People are overpaid all the time, this isnt new, its also has and will always be this way. People get underpaid in a market with a lot of competition, and they get overpaid when there isnt as much. This is economics and business 101.
Actually, they have to hit the market to have a market. Branch was bought one day before he hit that market. His market in 2016 was $3 million, which only the dolphins offered him.
Right but usually, if you catch them before they hit the market, you are getting a slightly better than market value on them, because you are setting the market.
I agree though i felt Branch was a little bit over the top, i didnt feel Alonzo was too bad, but i felt like improvement would have to be made to make him worth it in the long run. He has improved, sorta.
Tim you still arent getting it, Landry cant be forced to settle for what you think he is worth, he is going to settle for what the market give him, you cant keep the players giving them only what ya want to because then everyone would work for free because the owners would surely like to collect all the money if they could. I also dont think you can get a guy right now who puts up Landry’s production at 8per. You might find a guy who eventually will get to putting up those numbers but if he is doing what Landry has for the past 4 years, is at the same stage in his career, and offers everything else that Landry does….his name is Landry and he is going to cost the same as his twin.He is setting the market this year by being the best available WR and since he will be setting it, the others are going to come in at prices relative to the market he just established. A GM that can get a Landry production WR in this market, this year and NOT pay him what Landry is going to get paid, isnt a good GM he is a fucking magician because he made shit happen that ordinarily cant.
Randy says:
January 25, 2018 at 1:47 pm
Piggy,
NE lets good players walk all the time. But, I get your point. Like I said, i’d keep him, but where do you draw the line? Who’s a player you gotta overpay for and who’s not? That is what every team has to decide for themselves…and it doesn’t always come down to just on field production. And, you can’t keep them all. Every team is gonna lose good players in FA.
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You draw the line when its outside your ability to afford them and/or you have options that are cheaper and yet relatively the same production. The ideal situation is having Caroo have been a home-run, that makes Landry expendable or at the very least it really cuts into his leverage with the contract negotiations. Missing with Caroo is what really has us in this quandary, because otherwise its a moot point.
IMO after 3 days of practice, Trayvon Henderson (S) from Hawaii was easily the best DB from the North squad.
Yeah, and i dont know much of anything about him. I just started looking at him after i heard that we interviewed him at senior bowl. Last year was one of the first times in a while that we didn’t draft anyone we interviewed at senior bowl.
I knew nothing about him before this week.
Tim
I’m getting tired – $12-13M is NOT top tier salary. TopWR’s are getting $17M, and I showed you Fitz is getting $16.8M, and he’s putting up Landry numbers. I guess we should just end this, we don’t agree.
I said that awhile ago. LOL
Time for the South 3rd and final practice.
Any WR’s that can replace Landry?
Absolutely love DaeSean Hamilton. After Will Hernandez, he has been the 2nd most impressive North player these last 3 days. …Mike Gesicki has also looked very good.
The Penn kid (Watson) can play too. …Along with Gallup.
Okay I don’t get it and Landry is great because the market is what it is. We’ll see what happens. All I’ve said is I don’t view him on that level and that’s not going to change. I would not pay him in that top range, some of you would. Okay! Like I said either way I have nothing to do with whether we do or don’t pay him what he wants. I’ll root for the team either way. I don’t think we’ll get better by re-signing him and I don’t think we’ll have some major drop off if we don’t. Other players will get the ball instead and it will be more spread around which I would prefer anyway. No reason for me to continue with this subject. I think I’ve made my point.
Poor rgs, he’s trying to talk Senior Bowl and prospects and the blog is all about Landry and contracts. LOL
No Landry is who Landry is because of Landry, the 13mil price tag is because of the market.
Agreed but I don’t think you’ll get the bang for your buck. Just like the Packers probably won’t with Adams. If there was no cap like in some other sports I wouldn’t care what we pay him. But the NFL does have a cap and it effects your overall team. I think WR contracts in general are a bit on the crazy side and over-priced.
The reason they have half the receptions is they are getting open half the amount of times. Wouldnt that mean Landry is helping out our offense because instead of nothing on those plays that he was open and they werent, we got something? Wouldnt the numerous times he has caught the ball and fought for a first, or took the pussy high percentage play Gase called on a 3rd and long and made a first out of it, isnt that helping?
That’s how I see it too. It seems to get lost in translation. He gets punished for making too many receptions. He ain’t throwing the damn football, he’s just catching it!
They run deeper lower pct. routes while Landry runs the highest pct. routes there are. If he was a stud WR who can beat teams down the field and make explosive plays we would have seen it by now. That’s not who he is. I feel his production can be replaced by RBs and TEs. We’ll see what happens.
RG, you are doing a great job with these practice coverage man, i appreciate what you are doing for us.
No problem. There are going to be some really good value guys in the middle rounds. It might not be the best draft, depth wise, but there are definitely guys that can help us sooner rather than later.
rgs – Dasean is 1st or 2nd RD?
Probably more like a 3rd or 4th i think. This whole draft is big bellied. You have a lot of talent clumping in around the middle.
He has definitely moved up these last 2 weeks, but if I had to guess I would probably agree with 3rd round right now. …I think Gesicki is going to move up too.
I think Durham Smythe is underrated too. We know he can block, but he also has good hands and can be a weapon in the red zone. He has showed that this week.
Smythe is a really solid blocking TE, when i was replying to Piggy the other day about doubling up at TE is Fasano retires i mentioned him as a blocking TE replacement. His catching ability is underrated but just off what we know he is good at, he is worth a later round selection.
Gesicki and Smythe combo would definitely make me happy.
The guy I really wanted to see was Goedert.
I don’t think it’s a case of them not wanting him back. I think it’s a money issue. How much is too much? Obviously they don’t agree on this or it would be done already. I love Landry and hope he stays. I don’t see him giving us a deal either. I do think his value is somewhat distorted being the best player they’ve drafted in however long….doesn’t take much to be that with our history.
I heard Landry is looking for about 14.5, he considers the contract of Devonte Adams to be his marker. If you look at the number Adams has more ability to play on the outside and get deep and Landry is more possession receiver who creates YAC. Still there are comparisons to be made there so i dont think its unfair for Landry to use it as his jumping off point. I think though the number, when all is said an done is going to be a lot close to 13, and i really dont feel thats all that far off. 12 was the number i felt was fair, so 13 when he is asking for 14.5 seems like a pretty fair compromise.
I will tell you, Leonard is a pretty good LB in pass coverage. I like him.
Yeah, like i just said to Mikey, this is a potbellied draft, lots of meat around the middle so later parts of the second all the way to the early 6th is going to be a chunk of talent. Id be ok trading back in the 1st or 2nd to pick up picks in that range to add quantity of quality, of course, only if there wasnt something worth staying put for.
Yea, I would like to pick up a couple more draft picks in the 4th-6th round.
D,
I agree with you except I think they mismanaged both Alonso and Branch. Branch was a huge bust at Jax and we were the only team to offer him just $3 mill in 2016. He has one decent year and we pay him just barely under super productive Wake and in the top 17 for his position. Why?
Alonso wasn’t wanted in either Buff or Philly. He’s on his third team and has had two good years so far in his career. He’s the top 26 paid LBs in the NFL. Does two good years warrant that especially when they aren’t in a row?
NE lets talent go especially in the defense because Belichick can find similar talent. We can’t even get average talent to take a pay cut but we want to undercut our best players. It makes zero sense. Landry does want too much. So did Branch and Alonso. At least Landry is the top slot WR in the NFL. Those other two guys are just JAGs. Average if we are lucky.
Alot of it is because NE gets themselves into good next man up scenarios so they can suffer losing a talented guy, because the guy right behind him can step in and there isnt much drop off. Another reason is because Belichick’s system, is relatively simple and its about being where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be. If you can do what your instructed to do, his system covers the rest. He is really good at getting that out of his players. When we get to that point, ill be in 100% agreement with what you are saying, i just dont think we are even close to being at that spot. Every move we make should be with that intention.
100% agree
Another break-up for Leonard at the goal line.
I think some of the holdup right now is the new coaching staff putting together a plan, researching and evaluating last season and figuring out what they expect out of Landry going forward. Once everything is determined he’ll get signed, I would assume, or not which to me is idiotic.
Thats definitely is true, i keep forgetting we just changed a ton of stuff. I guess when i think about the offense i just think its Gase’s thing to where i neglect the fact that he probably needs input from the rest, but if he wants them to help at all, he does need to allow that evaluation time.
Davenport with 2 sacks in the last 3 plays in 2 minute drill.
Davenport just hit the arm/ball on the next play. …Damn.
Now Griffin from UCF with sack. Lol
South defense is dominating the 2 minute drill.
Griffin again with inside move on Cappa for the sack.
from NFL:
Miami Dolphins receiver Jarvis Landry barrels towards free agency after earning his third Pro Bowl bid in four years and leading the NFL in receptions in 2017.
Normally such highly productive players don’t make it to the open market, but talks between Landry and the Dolphins have yet to find common footing.
After Pro Bowl practice on Thursday, Landry told NFL Network’s Jane Slater negotiations are plodding.
“They’re moving. They’re moving slowly, but they’re moving,” he said. “And again for me, [for] the most part I’ve been out trying to enjoy my time with my family, with these other guys — these talented guys around the league, and just letting the rest take care of itself.”
As he has throughout contract talks, Landry said he wants to remain with the Dolphins.
“I would love to,” he said. “I would love to, but understanding [that] it’s a business — one that I don’t truly understand — but again, I love the game of football and that’s the most important thing to me and if I can do that, that’s all that matters.”
Dolphins executive vice president Mike Tannenbaum was nondescript when discussing Landry’s situation Wednesday.
“We have more time to go before the deadline,” Tannenbaum told Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald. “We’ll see where it goes.”
Landry is reportedly seeking a deal similar to Packers receiver Davante Adams’ four-year, $58 million, with $18 million guaranteed. Landry’s agent, Damarius Bilbo, has been on the record saying the receiver wouldn’t take a discount to remain in Miami
Landry said Thursday he didn’t have a starting contract figure in mind.
“I wish I knew numbers,” he said. “I don’t know numbers and that’s not a conversation that I should have. I leave that to my agent to handle those things, but we’ll see. I think I’m one of the best in the league though so we’ll see.”
With sides at an impasse, we could see Landry test the open market. The Dolphins could franchise tag the wideout in hopes of coming to a long-term contract down the road (the window for tags opens Feb. 13). Miami could also try to transition tag Landry, which would allow them to match any offer he receives.
The Dolphins appear reticent to pay top dollar for a slot receiver who piles up catches for short gains (112 receptions for 987 yards in 2017). If Miami holds its ground in negotiations, Landry could see how the market values his skill set.
Antonio Callaway a WR from UF would be a really good draft value if the teams interview evaluation of him fulfilled their concerns with his season long suspension from last year. He had committed credit card fraud, buying items like iPads, etc from the campus bookstore and UF suspended them for the year. Callaway is a insanely talented receiver, but again, he is probably going to wind up a mid to later round guy because of that off-field stuff.
Remember your mom said “don’t play ball in the house”!
Well the Dolphins are playing ball in the house. Get Landry signed already.
His agent is a bit of a dick on his high horse though so there is that too. He aired his grievances about a deal being done publicly based on speculation that the FO tried to lower Landry’s value. Whether they did or not it’s still speculation but the agent did what he did for sure.
Okay so because maybe some other players got overpaid on our team, let’s keep that practice going? Alonso for instance, he makes over 100 tackles every year but some will say yeah after 5 yards down the field etc. But Landry making a boatload of catches behind, at or just beyond the LOS is dynamic?
Both Branch and Alonso have deals under $30M. You just look at the early cap hits and it appears larger than it is. They are not paid anywhere near the top at their positions. Both have easy outs for us after 2 years if we don’t think they’re living up to expectations.
I agree with this. The problem is that is shows they have no clue what they are doing. They overpaid and over-valued two average players. They paid Suh ridiculous numbers. Does this front office know value? It doesn’t look like it. They also have a really, really hard time finding talent to replace lost talent. TE and OL are two of the biggest eye-sores there. I’m not as huge on Landry as I’m leery of our guys having a clue how to build a team.
I just used that as an example, I don’t think Alonso and Branch are overpaid and I think the FO wants to move away from overpaying similar to what you and D were discussing about NE. Why not continue to build through the draft and be fiscally responsible starting now. Most of the team has been built through the draft, UDFAs and mid to lower end FAs the last few years. So it already started.
Griffin is a tight fit in the NFL. It’ll be interesting to see how he gets used. Certainly he’ll be a great ST player.
Yea, they were saying yesterday that at worst you’ll get a stud ST player
His twin brother is the rookie CB on Seattle if you didn’t know that. They’re about the same size.
Yea, I remember them talking about them during the championship game against Memphis. This year was the first time they didn’t play together on the same team. …from peewee to college.
LSU WR Chark looking good today. Some really nice catches and routes.
He is a really good player. Really tall long receiver with a ton of speed and he has some good run after catch ability. He’;s a little thin to me, and he isnt an active blocker so you wouldn’t get that kind of ability out of him, but we dont get any of that from Stills either so maybe its not a big deal in our system.
Id put Chark as a day 2, late second or early third, but could slip into the 4th if his 40 times at the combine isnt as good as expected.
Oh shit the Dolphins cheerleaders are there….uh sorry guys gotsta go, leaving work now lol
There are several good middle round guys at senior bowl out of the WR group. Gallup is there i think, he is a really good looking WR, well rounded skill set. Wieneke is a bigger bodies WR type, who is pretty solid with decent speed for a 6’4 215 sized dude. Lazard who is in the same boat, huge size, 6’5 225, but still has decent speed in the late 4.5’s early 4.6’s. Byron Pringle 6’2 205, pretty good speel, low 4.4′ to earl 4.5’s
Are any of those guy looking good?
Gallup has looked good all week. Lazard had a few really good catches in the red zone drills today. Pringle has shown flashes, but needs to stop dancing at the line of scrimmage.
Is Landry worth it or not is the wrong question to be concerned with. So far the coaching staff hasn’t proven they can get the team to be play at a high level consistently despite being 10-6 last year. They’re still not making the most out of the whole roster, especially offensively and we aren’t disciplined.
I agree and i think worth it is the wrong question, its what helps more, re-signing him or not. I feel having him on the team helps us and losing him hurts us, but i dont know what they have in their minds of what they are wanting to do to improve the team. If it turns out the let Landry walk, but it lets us do other things that help us more im good with that. Landry to me just leaves us with the security of knowing the money went to spending for something we know helps us. Anything else is a question mark so to me its a more secure move.
That will do it. Practice done, Saturday’s game is next.
They still have a lot of interviewing, etc and they have some volunteer work stuff they do on Friday to go along with the meet and greet so tomorrow, even without the practice is a very busy day or the players and the FO people from the different teams.
I mean that’s it for us till Saturday. Lol.