TE – The position that has been a vacant hole for so many years. One oddity, if you weren’t aware, is that Tight End, besides Kicker and Punter is the only skill position that the Dolphins have NEVER invested in a 1st RD pick for. While I’m not advocating the Dolphins select a TE with the #11 pick, they better make it happen with either the #42 pick, or at the very least, the #73, but preferably the #42 pick. In the meantime, let’s take a look at who’s available at TE in free agency. Last week, we looked at WR, this week, it’s the big fellas, the TE’s.
Jimmy Graham 6’7 260 31YO
A TE can’t really replace Jarvis Landry, or can he? This year, in SEA, in his walk year of free agency, Graham’s stats more resembles Jarvis Landry’s than at any other point of his career. Graham reeled in 10 TD’s this year, his highest total since ’14 (He had 16 TD’s in ’13). Here’s where it even more closely resembles Landry, 57 receptions for 520 yards, for a 9.1 YPR average, the first time in Graham’s career below double digits. Is the big guy slowing down? Eh, probably a little bit, but SEA just didn’t have a great year this year, the run game was a colossal bust. FA Eddie Lacy was a huge disappointment, and the bevy of RB’s behind him were awful, so it all fell on Russell Wilson, who managed to have a phenomenal year, despite the run game woes.
Graham is 31, and will be going into his 9th season. He’s played most games every season, and isn’t really an injury prone player. He’s one of the biggest red zone threats in the game, and if you compare him to what we’ve had here the last decade or so, he’s ALL WORLD! Spotrac has Graham’s market value at $6.7M, and I’m going to say right now, I think they’re low on that. Think of it this way Dolphins fans, if we do lose Landry, which you all know I will hate, Graham would definitely help this team recover from that loss.
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Austin Seferian-Jenkins 6’6 262 25YO
ASJ had a resurrection of his career last season with the rival New York Jets. I know pretty well, I had to pick him up in FF in 2 leagues after I lost my TE to injury. After disappearing from the NFL landscape during 2 forgettable seasons with the Tampa Bay Bucs, the former 2nd RD pick was cut in the middle of his 3rd season after his 2nd DUI arrest since 2013. He got serious about his life, slimmed down 15 lbs, got his mind and body focused on football, and had a nice comeback season. It wasn’t outstanding, but 2 TD’s were overturned by replay, one against the Patriots (Of course!), and one against Seattle. ASJ finished with 50 catches for 357 yards and 3 TD’s. Not eye popping, but he showed a lot of promise after being out of football for a while. A highly touted prospect, ASJ seems to be on the right track, and I’d take a look at him for sure. Spotrac projects his market value at $4.1M, which is a bargain compared to Julius Thomas.
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Benjamin Watson 6’3 255 37YO
Yes, Watson is older than Gase. Not really, but it’s close. It would have to be a short contract, but joking aside, Watson has had 2 very productive seasons his last 2 years, one for the Ravens, the other 2 years ago with the Saints. Players don’t usually get better after 35, but Watson has had his 2 best years of his career. Watson caught 61 passes for 521 yards and 4 TD’s. He’s a smart veteran player with a good work ethic, and looks to be in fantastic physical shape. My thinking would be to sign Watson, but also draft a TE early, and let things happen as they will. At worst, if the rookie struggles, you have a veteran TE who can fill the spot, and also mentor the young TE. Seems logical, especially at the right price, which should be around $2M per.
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Virgil Green 6’3 248 29YO
Yeah, I know, it’s slim pickin’s out there folks. Sure, 7 years ago in the 2011 NFL Draft, both M13 and I were all about Virgil Green, but in 2018, after 7 seasons in the NFL, Green is not a savior. He’s more of a role player, and probably a 2nd TE, which is why I’ll be discussing Anthony Fasano shortly. back to Green, he started all 16 games last season for the Broncos, but had very little on his resume as such. Green finished with 14 receptions for 191 yards and 1 TD. That’s a nice 13.6 YPR, but it’s such a small body of work, it’s hard to get excited about it. He’s an athletic player, definitely undersized at 6’3, but part of the mystique of Green is he played college ball at Nevada, with a certain controversial QB. Ahhh, now you remember who Virgil Green is! Virgil excelled at the combine, running a 4.64, jumped out of the park with a 42.5″ vertical and a 130″ broad jump, a 6.90 cone and 11.63 60 YD shuttle all showed great athleticism and explosiveness, but it just hasn’t translated to the NFL. It happens.
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Anthony Fasano 6’4 255 33YO
We all know Anthony Fasano well, Gigi’s Italian Stallion who came back home last season after a 4 year hiatus. Always a fan favorite. Fasano has that old school grit, and will even make a nice catch here and there when called on. he’s a great in line blocker, but he’s a 2nd TE, not a #1 guy. This seems to be the theme in this year’s free agency, once you get past top 2 or 3. No reason to post his stats, but I will anyway, 12 catches for 107 yards and 1 TD. The stats don’t do Fasano justice, because he’s a great teammate, as I mentioned, a great blocker, and a fan favorite, so his 12 catches don’t portray his story fairly.
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Trey Burton 6’3 228 26YO
Burton is an undersized, very undersized TE. He’s one of those tweeners, who BTW, is benefiting hugely by by being on a SB winning team, and being the #2 to one of the best pass catching TE’s in football, Zach Ertz, along with the complete arsenal of weapons such as Alshon Jeffery, Nelson Agholor, Torrey Smith, LeGarrette Blount, Jay Ajayi, etc . . . Burton caught 23 passes for 248 yards and 5 TD’s. I don’t think any NFL team will be looking at Burton as their #1 starting TE, yet for some odd reason, Spotrac has him valued at $7M per season. Burton caught 23 passes for 248 yards and 5 TD’s. As far as I’m concerned, I’d take that $7M and give it to Landry to keep in aqua and orange, but that’s just me. he would have to be a complimentary player, like a slot receiving TE, so forget $7M, maybe at half that, I’d consider him, maybe.
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Ed Dickson 6’4 244 30YO
Dickson has had a decent career with both the Ravens and Panthers. This past season, when starter Greg Olsen went down with a broken leg, Dickson got more of a chance, yet still finished with pedestrian numbers, 30 receptions 437 yards and 1 TD. he had a nice 14.6 YPR, but 1 TD as a starter for 12 games is disappointing. Maybe it’s the QB in Carolina, who knows? (LOL!) Once again, Dickson is not going to be your #1 starting TE, he’s more of a 2nd string guy.
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So there’s your 6, oops SEVEN possibilities at TE for us in 2018. I obviously can’t count! I didn’t forget that Antonio Gates is out there, or Tyler Eifert for that matter. Gates should finish his career as a Charger, and I think he probably will. He’s maintained he doesn’t want to retire, he would like to win a SB. Tyler Eifert eerily reminds me of Jordan Cameron, and I don’t have to remind you how that went down, or how strongly I was against it. He’s a talented player, maybe better than Jordan Cameron, but believe it or not, not as durable. Eifert has managed one season with 15 games played, and then in 4 seasons after that, just 24 games. I wouldn’t even look in his direction, been there, done that. I would have loved to have included former CHI TE Zach Miller, but after that catastrophic leg injury, in which he dislocated his knee, and and actually severed his popliteal artery, and nearly had to have his leg amputated, he may never play football again. The 33 YO TE desires to play again in the NFL, but he has quite the uphill struggle ahead. If there’s any TE you feel was wrongly omitted, let me know.
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February 8, 2018 at 5:37 pm
Or we can draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round and have a true NFL caliber tandem in 2018
Imagine not going into the 2018 season hoping some one will unseat Damien Williams as the #2…
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BINGO. Wouldn’t that be a great feeling?
That is what i am trying to say. RBs get nicked up all the time. If we lose Drake for 2 games, then we will lose those 2 games and then we miss the playoffs.
Philly and NE had 4 and 5 quality RBs each. They come at you in waves. They are fresh all game.
And OL, and TE, and LB and a good QB prospect, and a DE… all of that by day 2. LOL
If I’m GM i’m looking to match BPA to OL, TE and QB first 3 rounds. If I can’t, take the BPA and keep looking. I think we need that more than a high round RB. We don’t need that.
Drake lead all RBs in rushing the last 5 games of the season and will be on the 3rd year of his 4th year rookie 3rd round contract. So we find a great value pick and now we need to find another? You can’t upgrade the areas everyone talks about and have excellent depth at every position. It’s NCPMS, the new crop of prospects madness syndrome. LOL
It’s the most physical position in the NFL Naples
Imo it makes no sense to depend that much on Drake
Philly won the SB with a back-up QB,
but they had TWO pro-bowl RBs (Blount and some British guy) and guys like Clement and Kenjon Barner off the bench and Darren Sproles till he got hurt.
Plus they have Wendell Smallwood (a 5th rounder) and Donnel Pumphrey (a 4th rounder) who are both rising young stars (maybe).
That’s how you roll up the yardage and slow down the pass rush and wear out the DTs and keep the Tom Bradys off the field or trying to win a shoot-out.
You BETTER build a team worrying about injuries or your “next man up” is a nobody.
That’s what happened to us at OG and ILB and we went 6-10. UDFAs are inadequate.
Cast-offs, bargain signings, and journeymen don’t get you to the playoffs.
That’s not what I meant. Injuries happen, you don’t worry about them when building the team because you can’t foresee them. You could be stocked at RB and have few injuries and be in good shape, but you didn’t know you were going to lose 3 WRs and 2 LBs. Every team is in the same boat. You can only be so deep at every position.
If we finally get our O-Line fixed, we could take an undrafted RB like Priest Holmes or Arian Foster and turn that RB into a star. Now, I DO want to draft a RB at some point, but no earlier than the 4th round for me. And y’all know that kills me to say as much with the man crush I have on Rashaad Penny, who will be going in the 2nd round.
And once again Drake is looked at like he didn’t show anything last season and isn’t even on the team. I don’t get it.
Don’t look at it that way, man. According to Gase, he wants to run a tandem system. This keeps everybody fresh. Why not have 2 stud RBs?
Gotta see what they do in FA. Williams almost didn’t come back last year. I expect he will this year again, but you never know. Still leaves a spot…..and I’d rather fill it with a rookie than a free agent or anybody else they already have. Don’t want to spend the money and a rookie should be as good, if not better than what they currently have behind the top 2.
Tim
What do you think – Drake is going to carry the ball 300 times in 2018
You need a stable of RBs
It has nothing to do with Drake
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M13, you talked about turning a UDFA into a star and yes those were two examples I’ve thought about when I mentioned you can find good RBs with UDFAs. But maybe Drake is a star in the making and he showed us why we should think that. His 91-444 last 5 games averages out to be 291-1,421 4.9. Even if it’s not exactly that, what about 250-1,225 4.9? Maybe he is that good.
I’ll say this, he’s one of the fastest players I’ve seen in pads. He can outrun DBs who don’t have an angle. He showed me better stop and go quickness and power than I thought he had. We got to see a bigger workload for him and he delivered. You think maybe he can get better in his 3rd season? 🙂
There’s no reads for Briscoe in his offense. As Mayock is fond of saying, it’s “catch rock and throw”.
Piggy, I don’t think you’re reading what I say. I said Drake 15/3 which would be 240/48, not counting getting banged up and missing some snaps or a game or two, so the numbers could be lower. It happens. 18 touches per game rush/rec.
He had games of 30, 26 and 22 total touches in a game and was productive.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/2979843/kenyan-drake
He’s never done that much
Not even in college
240 carries would be 11th in the nfl in 2017
You are putting a lot on Drake’s shoulders
He was the featured back the last 5 games and he looked like he could carry the load over that stretch
I think you’re de-valuing him big time. You’re ignoring proving it at the NFL level in favor of new prospects because it’s juicy or Guice. LOL
The short time it was Williams and Drake it looked good. Then it was basically on Drake and he lead all rushers the last 5 games. Do I type than in invisible ink? Can we roll with that until we know otherwise? You want rookies to prove something than when they do it’s not 16 games enough. How about how they finish?
I want Drake to get 15-20 carries a game. He seems like the kind of guy that can break a big one at anytime. You have to keep giving him the ball and eventually he is going to pop one
Ken the difference between 5 games and a season at the most physical position in the nfl is pretty huge
I don’t think Drake should be asked to do what he did the last 5 games of the season for 16 games
Also I think gase was a lot of RBs to work with anyway
I disagree. He is not really sleight of build. He weighs like 215. He didn’t show any signs of excessive wear and tear when he was used as the featured back. There is no reason to think he can’ be that. You need depth but Williams is good depth. Would another back in the draft hurt? No but I don’t feel like it is an urgent need
You and I are totally on the same page with RBs.
It would not hurt in the front end of the draft
A good player isn’t going to hurt us
But letting good players slip to other teams does
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Tim Knight says:
February 8, 2018 at 7:44 pm
M13, you talked about turning a UDFA into a star and yes those were two examples I’ve thought about when I mentioned you can find good RBs with UDFAs. But maybe Drake is a star in the making and he showed us why we should think that. His 91-444 last 5 games averages out to be 291-1,421 4.9. Even if it’s not exactly that, what about 250-1,225 4.9? Maybe he is that good.
I’ll say this, he’s one of the fastest players I’ve seen in pads. He can outrun DBs who don’t have an angle. He showed me better stop and go quickness and power than I thought he had. We got to see a bigger workload for him and he delivered. You think maybe he can get better in his 3rd season? 🙂
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I feel that Drake IS a star in the making who’s only going to get better from here on out! HELL YEAH!!!
But the problem is that Gase continues to say that he wants to run by committee. But, he said that last year and just continued to pound the ball with Ajayi all year. We’ll see what happens, but you’ll get zero disagreement from me that Drake is good enough to be a featured back!
I know what Gase said but his history suggests he will use a featured back. He did it in Chicago and he did it in his first season in Miami with Ajayi
100% agreed, Ken. We’ll see what Gase does this year.
Both in a Chicago and Denver, Gase had #2 RB with over 100 carries
He likes using a lot of backs especially bc he needs them in the passing game
Yes, Gase doesn’t want a 25-30 bell cow back. He maybe wants to split it 15/10/5 not counting QB and WR rushes. That might be the goal, but let’s get to 30 rushes per game consistently first and go from there. 🙂
ElephantRider says:
February 8, 2018 at 7:29 pm
Gotta see what they do in FA. Williams almost didn’t come back last year. I expect he will this year again, but you never know. Still leaves a spot…..and I’d rather fill it with a rookie than a free agent or anybody else they already have. Don’t want to spend the money and a rookie should be as good, if not better than what they currently have behind the top 2.
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I like Damien… and it seems Damien loves Gase and Gase loves Damien. I wouldn’t mind seeing him come back, but I think he’s just about reached his ceiling: he’ll be 26 in April, 4 seasons in the NFL, and 3.6 YPC.
I think Damien is lethal as a receiver, and that brings value to him as a 3rd-down back: he has 6 career receiving TDs compared to 3 career rushing TDs.
He certainly doesn’t suck, but I would say Damien would be the third head of the ‘hydra’ we may be working to get to: Drake, ________, and then Damien. JMO
Damien has value because he’s a core STs player and RB involved in the game plan. I think he’s earned some stripes and is worthy of a 2 year $6M contract – maybe even guarantee most of it. Gase knows what he’s getting in him and he can play 20 offense and 20 ST’s snaps per game. These are the types of players every great team has. Role players who do a lot of jobs and do them well. They’re not stars. They’re the Mookie Wilson’s’ of the world. They are totally underrated. 😉
MF. Posted this before. Your kind of guy:
He looks fast. How big is he?
Grant is fast.
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Based on need if the choice is between getting an RB or a TE to help the offense I would go TE. Of course the choice is not that simple because you have to factor in BPA
It’s a tough call because once you get beyond Barkley it’s pretty close
I tend to think Guice is much better than the next best RB
yeah but if you’re sitting there later in the first looking at him and one of the TE’s is he the better pick?
Hell yes he’s the better pick
That’s a guy you build an offense around
Guice might go in the top 10 – so I don’t want to get my hopes up
Well you have 5 picks through round 4 unless there are any trades
I have OL/RB/QB/TE/LB as my 5
They can probably take a 2nd OL or a DE and disrupt that 5 but I tend to think those are the 5
And then it’s just about talent on the board
So if there is a RB in the 2nd that should have went in the 1st
And the TEs look a good one will last until round 3
Do you pass on the RB?
I don’t
I think OL and LB are bigger needs. If the elite talent at those positions are not going to be there in roun 3 I pass on RB
They are bigger needs
TE is a bigger need to
But the talent on the board has to be a factor
Prof Lou,
Nyheim Hines, huh? Not too shabby, but I think he’s quicker than he is fast. I see he runs a 4.5 40, he’s a proficient receiver (89 career receptions), and he’s agile enough to have seen action at both kick and punt returns (2 TDs and 1 TD, respectively). Not a bad build at 5’8″, 197, either.
I wish he had afterburners like Dri Archer, but he’s not too shabby. I like the double-spin move he performed on the video. If he lasts to the 4th round, I’d be somewhat interested… but I’d have to put Royce Freeman above him. JMO
I’m looking at udfa here or maybe late. I doubt he’s going in the 4th. I don’t think that 4.5 time is accurate. He was timed at 4.34 in high school
4.34 in high school? DAYUM!!!
If I ranked the RBs now I would have
Barkley
Guice
Michel
Freeman
Chubb
Jones
Kerryonn Johnson
Penny
Balledge
I’m probably missing a couple of good ones – it’s still early
That’s why you can wait. Drake is pretty good and has played at the NFL level. He gets better but let’s stop that and look for someone better from the draft early. LOL
That’s a good list. There’s Wadley, Adams from Notre Dame, and even Scarbrough.
Some say Walton from the U (7.6 y/rush and 13 y/catch) and Williams (5.7 y/rush and 12.2 y/catch) from LSU are high quality sleepers.
Most of that list will be off the board before round 3 is up
I just can’t justify taking a rb when we have no viable receiving threat at the tight end position and there is plenty of TE’s in this draft who we should be able to choose from. We’ll see how the draft plays out and who is there when we pick but I just don’t see the rb’s from the 2nd rd on being the better prospect of the two
I think you must take Nelson, Saquon, Minkah, or DE Chubb in the first if they are there.
If they are all gone, then I’d take Guice or Goedert and Michel or Gesicki in the 1st & 2nd (swapping). Then I’d go the best remaining DE and another TE in the 3rd and 4th with the best remaining QB in the later 4th.with another OL, an ILB, and a FS the rest of the way.
In the 1st it’s highest rated player. Don’t care the position.
I also think we won’t have as many picks as we do now……Tradebaum will be moving…..
Oh and no secondary from Alabama……ever. lol
Take Hurt and Kelce away from KC, are they rockin along like nothing ever happened?
Take away Smith now and who knows what they’ve got
They’re saying it’s their Marino time. Bigger arm and upside than Smith – who never got them over the hump. We’ll see if they were right. Is Mahomes their Marino over Woodley?
I don’t think I’d compare Smith to Woodley nor would I come close to comparing Mahomes to Marino. I get what they’re doing but it’s a big shot in the dark. Smith is a good QB while Reid is a career playoffs choker a modern day Marty Schottenheimer.
Kava… good to the last drop.
I didn’t realize that Ricky was into kava, too!!!
Is it like coffee?
Not at all, Son. It’s not brewed, it’s blended then strained. Serve it at room temperature. It just really relaxes your body… it’s like getting beer buzz without alcohol.
I think it’s some kind of indigenous bark from south america?
Gotcha. No offense but I’ll stick to beer. Mmm beer ( said like Homer)
Jordan Akins from UCF 6’3 265. Good TE, good hands, runs well, big target.
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February 8, 2018 at 9:24 pm
I think it’s some kind of indigenous bark from south america?
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No, Bro. It’s from the kava plant (the roots), which is indigenous in the South Pacific.
*South Pacific islands (Fiji, Hawaii, Indonesia, etc)
I was being a dick!
When you start seeing game day posts from me that say
“Piggy under the influence of Kava”
Blame M13
South Pacific farts, those are really from down under
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* M. Special *
I prefer mine… EXTRA strong. 🙂
M. Special is Jahndoh beer, amazing beer at that
I’ll have to try it some time.
Damn good stuff
Kava no affect Hulk
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Yea, I really like this guy. I was talking him up during the Senior Bowl.
Darius Rucker is such a baby he cries when the Dolphins lose
I only cry when it’s raining and we are BEATING THE SHIT out of the Texans in the first quarter.
Son, I said KC’s version. It’s not always tit for tat. 🙂
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Serious illness, including liver damage, has occurred even with short-term use of normal doses. The use of kava for as little as one to three months has resulted in the need for liver transplants, and even death. Early symptoms of liver damage include yellowed eyes and skin (jaundice), fatigue, and dark urine.—webmd
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Naples – Maybe Ricky Williams could be the spokesperson for “Quit Kava”
He can say “I thought 392 carries in a season was bad for my body – then I started drinking Kava”
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IN JANUARY OF 1973 I considered driving from Palm Beach County down to Miami for the Perfect Season victory parade (a distance of about 75 miles). But I decided not to do that. The evening celebration after SB VII took a devastating toll on me. And I kept drinking THE NEXT DAY BECAUSE IT WAS MY 26TH BIRTHDAY!! After 2 straight days of celebrating I looked like i’d been run over by Larry Csonka 10 TIMES!!! On the day of the parade, I was still suffering!–So I finally “WISED-UP”, stayed sober, and watched parts of it on TV. That was the LAST TIME I’ve ever been shit-faced for 2 straight days. And I guarantee, it will NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN, especially NOW at my advanced age!!
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Thanks OD!
Piggy, I’m with you on the running back. Why’d you let people straw man what you were saying for half a page though?
Well now I just have to counter with an extreme argument
We draft nothing but running backs in 2018
Racer X has no idea what he’s talking about. If we take a RB in RD1 or RD2, I’m going to eat a bacon sandwich!
Unless it’s Saquon Barkley
Rounds 1 or 2
No! Rounds 1 AND 2!!!
Honestly I hope all the GMS in the nfl agree with this board
If so, we might get a shot at Barkley in the back of the 3rd round
Exactly. Draft an RB In both rounds 1 and 2 because Drake sucks and has proven he can’t carry the load.
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There you go Pigsgerald!
I hope you like your RB he only cost us a Better DE and/or Safety!
RB’s . . . 👎👎👎👎👎
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sun screen for Piggy?
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 10: Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State (A)
Round 3 Pick 9: Darius Leonard, OLB/ILB, South Carolina State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 11: Tyquan Lewis, DE, Ohio State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 30: Royce Freeman, RB, Oregon (A+)
Round 6 Pick 9: P. J. Hall, DT, Sam Houston State (A-)
Round 7 Pick 5: Javon Wims, WR, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 11: Fred Warner, OLB, Brigham Young (A+)
Your 4B is the best pick of this draft
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Hand fart
You forgot to trade away our entire draft for a 5th string wide receiver who doesn’t like to work hard.
Ha – That’s Mike T, not Mike E . . . 🙂
Mike E. says:
February 9, 2018 at 11:22 am
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Hand fart
I laughed out loud at this and got busted being on here at work. ;-(
I’ll say it again. Piggy has lost his mind. Just say no to running backs in the first 3 rounds. Get a good O-line and any RB will look good.
How many of the nfls top rushers last year were picked round 4 or later?
I will give you a hint it’s greater than 1 and less than 3
Top 10 I mean
Just because they weren’t top last year doesn’t mean they won’t be when their teams situation changes. James Conner is behind Le’Veon Bell, Joe Williams had a slow start with Cincy. I know you know this, but wasn’t Ajayi in the top 2 years ago?
Odds are if you draft a RB earlier you get a better RB
It’s no different than any other position
Everyone wants to play the Arian Foster lottery – but most FA RBs aren’t as successful as Foster was
CJ Anderson went undrafted and was in the top 10 last year – but that’s its. The other guy is Jordan howard (a 5th rounder) and for the record I thought Howard should have went much higher that year
The cowboys struggled without Ezekiel Elliot and they have a good OL.
People are just flat out devaluing the position
The real problem with the RB position isn’t that you can do just as well late in the draft as early. That just doesn’t stand up. The problem with drafting RBs is they don’t have long careers
But the best RBs in the nfl are usually high picks
what does the expression “let people straw man what you were saying” mean?
That they changed the argument
I’m not against drafting a RB, I just see bigger needs in other areas. I’d rather build the OL, specifically…and I feel TE is a much greater need than RB, but all I really care about is that they draft good players. We need plenty of help on offense, so just get good players.
Kenyan Drake was tied for 6th in runs of 20+ with his limited playing time. The most was McCoy and Hunt with 12. They both had more than twice the amount of rushes.
He had 7.
Imagine what he can do with 100+ carries if we also give another RB 200+ carries
He had 133 carries. Imagine what he could do with 250. 🙂
Maybe get hurt
Maybe slow down having never been out in that position before
Is it worth taking that risk?
If you add another RB. Maybe Drake is the starter and carries 250 times in 18. But if he can’t do that (and he never has) you have another option
In fact, you might get a player that can be the feature back and Drake can focus on 100 carries in a season and special teams
Kava is a root. It makes your lips and face kinda numb and has a numbing affect on the nervous system in general. It’s culturally very entrenched in many southern hemisphere oceanic cultures. In Micronesia (which is a “confederated states” nation) on the main island of Pohnepei, the island is essentially run by Fiefdoms. It is said that if you wrong the king of another tribe, and you seek forgiveness, you are required to beg forgiveness over shared Kava (that you bring). If you do not bring Kava, the King will not forgive your wrong, and likely sentence you to a worse fate.
I had it when I visited Micronesia. The local girl who shared it with us got dressed in a formal flowered dress and the ceremony of it kind of took me back. It was a cool experience, but if you want to know the truth…yeah…I’m a beer guy.
Not to compare it to beer really though, it’s totally different.
Thanks for the beer props guys! Lets try to get more out there for the next fest!
Is it the “root” of all evil?
There was a moment when I was reading this that I thought I was about to read a “I got laid in Micronesia” story
The Flying Pig says:
February 9, 2018 at 2:07 pm
How many of the nfls top rushers last year were picked round 4 or later?
Not sure about last year but the year before? a full half of the rushing leaders…..
Well Drake was a 3rd so we’re good. 🙂
Last year it was 2 of 10
Jordan Howard and CJ Anderson
2016 it was 4: Howard again, Blount (who only went underaged bc he punched some one in the face in college) and our 2 former 4th rounders in Ajayi and miller
2015 it was 2: Chris Ivory and Murray
2014 it was 3: Forsett, Foster (the holy grail of delusions that this happens a lot) and Miller again
It’s undeniably not the norm
Ajayi was a 5th round pick.
That’s 9 guys (with a couple appearing twice) in four years
You know what really undermines the argument that these late rounders will be successful as long as the OL is fine?
The fact that 3 of them: Miller, Ajayi & Foster played for us and our shorty OL
Of course only 2 of those seasons were with our OL
But point is – the talent at RB is a difference maker
Oh yeah he was a 5th
Doesn’t matter though
Piggy, I’m not against drafting a RB, I’ve said we should and likely will. But I wouldn’t until the 3rd unless he’s clearly BPA. If I’m GM I’m trying to see if I can match BPA to OL and TE in the first two rounds. Not saying it will be that way, but if it is, those are the two positions I target first.
The point is it’s a good class for RBs
The possibility of a RB being the BPA in the 2nd is higher than usual
It’s deep too so you can probably find a good back later than that. 🙂
Piggy hates Drake. LOL
It’s probably best for him if I never buy his jersey
Please don’t. LOL
Piggy, 250 carries is only 15.6 per game in a 16 game season. You’re making it out to be more than it is.
The point is you need 2 good backs
Drake is 1
Agreed. Nobody is saying not to have two. Gase prefers a committee so we’re going to have two. Who the other guy is we don’t know yet.
It could end up being a 200/175 split or something like that. Then you have some carries from the 3rd back, QB, WRs and a few from Gray. I hope we finish with close to 30 rushes per game. That means we’re having success on the ground, controlling the flow of the game, TOP, sustaining longer drives, setting up play-action and hopefully scoring a decent amount of points.
Mike E. says:
February 9, 2018 at 11:16 am
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 10: Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State (A)
Round 3 Pick 9: Darius Leonard, OLB/ILB, South Carolina State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 11: Tyquan Lewis, DE, Ohio State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 30: Royce Freeman, RB, Oregon (A+)
Round 6 Pick 9: P. J. Hall, DT, Sam Houston State (A-)
Round 7 Pick 5: Javon Wims, WR, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 11: Fred Warner, OLB, Brigham Young (A+)
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OK, Mike and I are on the same exact wavelength on our first 3 picks. They are now set in stone, so let the rest of the teams know not to draft them. LOL
No QB?
Maybe Kyle Lauletta in the 4th…. I would also like to pick up a DE, RB, S, WR, another TE, and another OL. LOL
To add to the Kava discussion going on here, it’s been said that vitamin C causes kidney stones, yet there’s never been one instance where vitamin C had actually caused kidney stones.
There’s been plenty of misinformation about vitamin supplements over the years like “you can overdose if you take too much” but it’s never happened. There’s never been a documented instance where anyone has overdosed on vitamins.
So I’m just wondering if there were actually any true instances where Kava did, in fact, result in those issues or if this was all bs put out there by the pharma industry to discredit it.
From the “as if this could happen file”
YOUR TEAM
MIAMI DOLPHINS
YOUR PICKS
1: R1P11 G QUENTON NELSON NOTRE DAME
2: R2P10 LB ROQUAN SMITH GEORGIA
3: R3P9 TE DALLAS GOEDERT SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
4: R4P11 EDGE OGBONNIA OKORONKWO OKLAHOMA
5: R4P30 QB KURT BENKERT VIRGINIA
6: R6P9 S DAMON WEBB OHIO STATE
7: R7P5 RB JORDAN WILKINS OLE MISS
8: R7P11 CB DEATRICK NICHOLS SOUTH FLORIDA
Okay I gave it a shot. LOL
11: R1P11 G QUENTON NELSON NOTRE DAME
42: R2P10 TE MARK ANDREWS OKLAHOMA
73: R3P9 C WILL CLAPP LSU
113: R4P11 FB JAYLEN SAMUELS NORTH CAROLINA STATE
132: R4P30 LB UCHENNA NWOSU SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
186: R6P9 QB RILEY FERGUSON MEMPHIS
223: R7P5 TE ADAM BRENEMAN MASSACHUSETTS
229: R7P11 RB RASHAAD PENNY SAN DIEGO STATE
Former Dolphin Renaldo Hill hired on by Gase as Asst DB coach
Another Saban connection for Gase.
rgs – Prepare to be disappointed! lol
there is serious concern that kava may cause liver damage. More than 30 cases of liver damage have been reported in Europe. — U of Maryland
I think RB is the position…maybe along with WR…where there are the most examples of finding pretty good players in the middle rounds. And, there are just always a lot of RBs. That said, I think if they really like a guy and he’s sitting there for you when you pick…then take him. I may disagree with it, but I understand sticking to their board/conviction….and my opinion doesn’t matter anyway!
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For me, once you’re into the second and third rounds, the RBs you’re picking from are pretty darn similar…so are you really getting good value if the guys from, say 5-15 or so, are similar players?
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If there was just one way to do the draft, every team would be doing it by now! Lol
In Europe and the US, kava became popular in the 1990s, with the spread of several medicinal products that contained kava extract to treat anxiety. And that’s when problems with kava began. At the end of the ’90s, several people in Germany and Switzerland had to undergo liver transplants after taking medications that contained kava. In the US, one case in 2000 involved a 14-year-old girl who was hospitalized with acute hepatitis after using two kava products for one to four months. She eventually got a liver transplant and survived.–
Some health effects are no secret. Kava can cause dry, itchy, and scaly skin if it’s consumed in large quantities. It’s also linked to nausea and weight loss. (Drinking too much kava is also associated with impotence and loss of sex drive.)
-the verge .com
We finished last. In the NFL.
Our OL finished last in yards before contact.
On the left side we gave our RBs and average of 6 inches before contact.
But on the left we gave our RBs 3 times that much! about 18 inches, while in the middle we gave our RBs about 2 and a half feet.
Yay Pouncey you stud.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/fantasy-football-2017-best-offensive-lines-in-yards-before-contact
Which one is the right side, they both say left.
LOL @ 6 inches before contact. That’s basically nothing.
ooops on the right we gave them 18 inches.
continued
Miami not only finished with the lowest yards-before-contact number in 2017, but the Dolphins also managed to post the lowest number in the PFF era. The offensive line generated essentially no space for their running backs, which makes Kenyan Drake’s performance down the stretch that much more impressive. Drake finished the season with the league’s highest yards after contact per attempt with a massive 4.29 yards. In fact, that’s the highest total in the PFF era, and Drake is the only back to top 4.00 yards after contact per attempt with at least 25 percent of his team’s carries. Drake is likely to open the year as the Dolphins’ lead back, and he’s one of the best bets to break out at the running back position in 2018. — same source
But but but Drake can’t get tough yards…..
I think Drake showed promise but just assuming he is what we saw in a small sample size is a bit of a reach, for me. He looked good, but lots of guys can look good in snap shots. I’d like to see him replicate it next season. If he does that, then i’d feel more confident he can do it consistently. No reason not to be optimistic though. The reality is that guys gotta prove themselves in the league every year. Nobody really cares what you did last year.
Jimmy G just got $27M a year for his snap shot. Lol
Naples,
THANK YOU for posting some of the hazards of taking kava… I appreciate it, my friend.
I did lots of research on it before I ever tried it and there seems to be a LOT of disagreement out there. Proponents say that it’s absolutely harmless over both the short and long-term, while opponents say that it can really mess ya up over both the short and long-term. This doesn’t add up to me and my scientific mind.
As with anything, moderation is probably the key and I’m monitoring myself to be sure I’m not experiencing ANY harmful side effects. I’ve read that if you drink kava daily, take a two week break after drinking it for 3 months.
The one thing that really stuck out to me in my research: do NOT mix kava drinking with alcohol drinking. I presume that THAT is where one can get into liver/pancreatic trouble: it would be akin to drinking while on acetaminophen. One of the fads of ‘millennials’ is to start drinking at the club and then finish up at a kava bar… BAD IDEA. Drink one or the other, NOT BOTH.
I’ll continue to be VERY careful with my kava consumption. And again… THANK YOU for posting the hazards! 🙂
Randy,
I’m hearing quite the buzz about James Daniels, C, Iowa, leading up to the Combine. I haven’t done ANY research on him. Can ya tell me anything about him, man?
M13,
Daniels is a versatile kid who plays tough. He’s a little on the small side, but another 10 pounds and he’ll be okay at C. He’s not great, but I definitely could see him being a solid starter once he sharpens up his technique. The biggest issue with him in a zone scheme is that he’s not a great movement guy….but not terrible. I’m a little pissed he’s leaving early because we’re not deep at Center.
Thanks, Brother. Some are saying that he could be the second Center taken (after Billy Price) after he jumps out of the stadium at the Combine. And that’s fine by me… so long as that pushes Frank Ragnow down to us.
ER,
So true. I guess you never know.
LOL @ ER – That’s a great point!
I’m pretty surprised that Alabama C Bradley Bozeman wasn’t invited to the combine
M13,
He probably could have benefited from another year at Iowa. People are suggesting he may have decided to come out early to save some wear and tear on his knees because he’s had some injury/health issues. I really haven’t looked at much draft stuff. Right now, i’d say he’s a 3rd round guy, but that usually means he is ranked as a second rounder. Lol
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He’s definitely an athletic kid, but he’s not a standout athlete. I’ve heard he’s smart and knows football. Definitely a solid prospect but not outstanding, to me. I’ll always consider drafting Iowa OL. They are coached right.
Brian Ferentz is highly regarded, to be sure. I’ve no doubt that Daniels is a solid prospect.
son of a son of a shula says:
February 9, 2018 at 5:22 pm
Former Dolphin Renaldo Hill hired on by Gase as Asst DB coach
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I’m not sure I like this…
Those who can do, those who can’t teach
I thought he was a pretty heady player
Why?
Great now Pouncey will have liver and kidney problems from all the kava
M13,
You like Ragnow? At Center?
I said Jeremiah Briscoe
One of the reasons I don’t trust a DB from Saban’s system is due to how it’s run. I don’t like one of Saban’s ‘acolytes’ becoming one of our DB coaches… assistant or not.
Saban’s DB scheme works in college, but not in the pros.
He’ll be running the bearded ones system not Saban’s
What’s his name?
Matt Burke
Pei Mei?
The asst. DB coach doesn’t decide the scheme. LOL
He also played for 4 different NFL teams. Do you think he only knows one way of doing things? I think you’re making too much out of this one, bro.
Randy says:
February 9, 2018 at 8:45 pm
M13,
You like Ragnow? At Center?
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Start him out at RG (which he’s played before), and then he can replace Pouncey once it’s time to move on. YES(!)… I REALLY like Ragnow!
I posted this a month or so ago… FRANK RAGNOW
M13,
Ragnow is a little taller than i’d Like at Center, but you can work around that. I just think he plays too high. He gets away with it in college, but he has got to fix that to be a starter in the pros. He rarely wins the pad level battle….guys get up under him a lot. He can do that in college and still win, but that isn’t gonna happen in the pros. He’ll be pushed around like a rag doll. Technical issue that can be fixed, but he hasn’t yet.
Very well stated! And until he can refine those technical issues, he’d be one HELLUVA RT for us.
Tim Knight says:
February 9, 2018 at 8:56 pm
The asst. DB coach doesn’t decide the scheme. LOL
He also played for 4 different NFL teams. Do you think he only knows one way of doing things? I think you’re making too much out of this one, bro.
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I’m just sayin’… I know he isn’t going to run Saban’s system… nor does he have the power… but still don’t like the hire. Oh well. No biggie, really.
M13,
He moves pretty good for a big kid. I haven’t really been able to see him perform against speed rushes, so I don’t know how he’d play at RT. He gets out on screens and pulls really well though, so it may be possible. He’s a good athlete.
Sorry, man. I meant to type RG, not RT. Ragnow would be a KILLER Right Guard for us.
ElephantRider says:
February 9, 2018 at 7:31 pm
But but but Drake can’t get tough yards…..
Reply
LOL
M13,
Funny trivial tidbit; Ragnow played HS ball at a town an hour from where I live. I dated a gal a few years back from his hometown.
Hi everyone
bookman!!!!!!!
Hi Randy
We need to draft O-linemen
HEY BOOKMAN!! I RETURNED THE TWO TOWERS! CAN YOU CALL OFF YOUR DOGS!!?
I have one word for you… Criminal
…….and a TE
I do NOT want to trade down this year… take the BPA @ R1P11.
HOWEVER… there’s only ONE (1!) scenario by which I might trade down…
IF all of Quenton Nelson, Tremaine Edmunds, and Roquan Smith are off the board… and IF we have no interest in taking a QB @ R1P11… trade down just enough to get an additional 2nd rounder while landing BILLY PRICE in the 1st round (projected mid-late 1st).
By the way… this is GAMBLING… I do NOT recommend doing this!
We need to draft O-linemen……Oh I missed your deep analysis around here Bookman. LOL
Lol, I have never been one to analyze a lot, I prefer to have some fun with it
bookman,
You always were one of the smart ones. Lol
Lol…I knew you would like that. But seriously we need to be able to pound the ball and dominate time of possession. Just like every other team in the NFL wants to LOL
Bookman sighting!!!
Hey Bookman! How you do?
How’s it going Bookman?
Randy says:
February 9, 2018 at 9:15 pm
M13,
Funny trivial tidbit; Ragnow played HS ball at a town an hour from where I live. I dated a gal a few years back from his hometown.
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That’s cool!
Funny trivial tidbit from me: both Jahri Evans and Henry Hynoski have dated women that I’ve dated.
Son, Mike, MF13, I hope you all are well