Since many Dolphins fans seem super concerned with the depth we currently have at the running back position, and since FA precedes the draft, let’s take a look at who is available that can help our team, and make it less urgent to have to draft 1 or 2. Right now we have Kenyan Drake and whatever. No offense to Senorise Perry or De’Veon Smith, but neither of those are likely to be on a 46 man roster on game day next season, unless we have injuries. I think we can all pretty much agree that Adam Gase runs at minimum a 2 back system, and I’d even say he would like 3 backs he can count on.
In Denver as the OC in 2013, he used the trio of Knowshon Moreno, Montee Ball and Ronnie Hillman, basically to 2:1 ratio down the line. Moreno had 241 carries, Ball had 120, and Hillman had 55 carries. The following season, it was C.J. Anderson who was the lead back with 179 carries, then Ronnie Hillman with 106 and Montee Ball with 55. Not quite a 2:1 ratio, but close enough that you know who the featured back is.
In 2015, Gase went to Chicago as OC for the Bears. A similar pattern existed there, with Matt Forte getting the majority of the carries, 218, and then Jeremy Langford a closer 2nd with 148, and then Ka’Deem Carey with 43 rushing attempts. While the top 2 backs shared a little more evenly, it’s obvious who the feature back is, and regardless of how good the 2 backs are, he still likes to use a 3rd back.
As HC with the Dolphins, Gase leaned heavily on his newfound success story, 2015 5th RD draft pick. To be fair, Arian Foster went down early in the season, and Gase was kind of pushed into going with Ajayi. Drake had always been a complimentary back at Alabama. His Freshman season, he was 3rd on the depth chart behind Eddie Lacy and T.J. Yeldon. In 2013, Drake was a distant 2nd to T.J. Yeldon, but far ahead of Derrick Henry. In 2014, due to injuries, it was Yeldon and Henry. In ’15 for Alabama, it was the Derrick Henry show, with a drop of Kenyan Drake sprinkled in, Henry carried 395 times, Drake has a meager 77 carries. In fact, the most carries Drake ever had in college was 92. On the other hand, Ajayi was a workhorse at Boise St. and the only reason he was there for MIA in the 5th RD in 2015 was due to concern on deteriorating knee issues.
So now that I’ve made it clear Gase has never relied solely on one feature running back, and prefers to spread carries around, who’s out there for us? For sake of reason, I’m not including any of the ridiculous salaried players like Le’Veon Bell, but more reasonable alternatives.
Dion Lewis 5’8 195 27YO
Forget that Lewis was a NE Patriot, he’d be a good fit for what we like here. He’s a very good receiver out of the backfield, and he would be a good 2nd option for Drake. He proved he could carry the ball when the pats were beset with injuries to Mike Gillislee, Rex Burkhead and James White, accounting for over 150 multipurpose yards in game 15, and over 130 in the final game. Lewis finished the season with 180 rushes and 896 yards and 6 rushing TD’s. He also caught 32 passes for 214 yards and 3 TD’s, giving him 9 total TD’s. Picking up Lewis also takes a player away from NE, and while we know they will replace him, it still stings for a moment. Oh, and Lewis was born in Brooklyn, he’s my goombah, hey fuggetaboutit! Spotrac says $5M per for Lewis
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Damien Williams 5’11 211 25YO
We all know Damien Williams, he’s a known quantity, playing here in MIA for the last 4 years. We also know Adam Gase likes Damien Williams, and that Damien Williams likes Adam Gase. Regardless of those things, Williams has never had more than 70 touches in a season, last year was his largest total, 46 rushes and 20 receptions. He can also return kicks and punts, and he’s a solid ST’s player, but he’s never been a big part of the offense. That should keep his salary down, which makes him affordable to everyone, and it’s possible if a team was willing to give him an opportunity for playing time, he might take it. My guess is, Damien will come back to MIA as long as we’re fair to him. Even if we do bring Williams back, is anyone here confident going into the draft with just Drake and Williams? Will we still need to spend a 2nd-4th RD pick on a RB? Maybe a 4th, but I believe we won’t need to go any higher.
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Terrance West 5’10 225 27YO
West had a disappointing 2017 season with injuries, none major, but nonetheless was irrelevant to the Ravens, while Alex Collins had a coming out party. in 2016, West was the Ravens leading rusher with 774 yards on 193 carries and 5 TD’s. West also added 34 receptions for 236 yards and 1 TD. West feel out of favor with a nagging calf injury last season, which should lower his value for FA. He’s more of the bowling ball type that some here desire, more of a banger between the tackles, more of a thunder to Drake’s lightning.
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Alfred Morris 5’9 219 29YO
Morris has been the feature back in the past, so when looking at a back to add to your stable, he’s the one guy you can count on to step up and take over as the lead back if necessary. Undrafted out of FAU, Morris was signed by the Redskins in 2012, and had his most impressive season in the NFL. Morris carried 335 times for 1613 yards and 13 TD’s. The thing is, he’s steadily declined since 2012, going to down to a very respectable 1275 yards rushing in ’13, then 1074 yards, then 751 yards, then out of the picture on the Ezekiel Elliott led Cowboys. It’s obvious why Morris has been relegated to watching football from the bench with Ezekiel Elliot as the feature back. The good thing for Morris is he probably has fresh legs after 2 quiet seasons in Dallas, after 4 grueling seasons in Washington. Morris is a scrapper, another wrecking ball that can run in between the tackles. Morris’ last contract with the Cowboys was a 2YR/$3.5M contract. Despite Morris being 29, like I mentioned, he should have fresh legs, so I’d definitely consider Morris. He might make some forget that Ajayi guy.
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Orleans Darkwa 6’0 210 26YO
Another guy Dolphins fan know. Some of us were sorry to see him go, and Darkwa finally got his chance last with the new York Giants last season. Darkwa carried 171 times for 751 yards and 5 TD’s. This was by far his biggest workload, more than quadrupling and other season. Things worked out well for Darkwa last year, the Giants were in a shambles, injuries to Paul Perkins gave him his shot, and he made the most of it, on what was an awful season for the Jints. He should be affordable, despite his breakout season last year, and he proved he can be counted on for significant carries if necessary.
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Jerick McKinnon 5’9 205 25YO
Last, but most definitely NOT least, is Jerick McKinnon. I think McKinnon would be a perfect fit for how we use RB’s, but I do believe McKinnon would like to finally be the feature back, after a couple of years of toiling behind Adrian Peterson, and then last year, initially buried behind by rookie sensation Dalvin Cook and then FA pickup Latavius Murray. McKinnon is a very shifty, quick RB with excellent receiving skills. Last season, McKinnon showed that dual threat ability, rushing 150 times for 570 yards and 3 TD’s, along with 51 receptions for 421 yards and 2 TD’s. Spotrac has McKinnon slated for $4M per year, which is doable. The question is, will he come to MIA without being given a chance to be the starter? I’d feel pretty good with McKinnon in tow before the draft, probably as much with him as Alfred Morris or Dion Lewis. It would definitely push RB back down in priority in a deep draft at RB.
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There are other free agents besides Le’Veon Bell that I don’t believe we can be in the running for, nor should we be such as Carlos Hyde and Isaiah Crowell. I think their salaries will be prohibitive for signing here. Other notable free agent RB’s are LeGarrette Blount, Jamal Charles, C.J. Spiller, Darren Sproles, and Eddie Lacy, all whom are either too old, or just don’t fit. Any suggestions, let me hear it!
Finsmob Unleashed 
“6 million ways to die… choose one”
Naples – Yes, by all means let’s not approach problem solving by introducing actual facts and civil discourse. MUCH better to call everyone who doesn’t agree with you unpatriotic, child-eating monsters and such while whining like a hysterical 13 year old.
I offered a (one) solution to school shooting for discussion, BTW. Deaf ears because it doesn’t involve curing up in a fetal position to wait for the government to come save you? The same government that can’t bass a budget or investigate a threat properly? Man, you are just inadequate.
So what IS the difference between the way kids were raised here in America, from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s?
LIBERALISM.
There’s NOTHING on modern TV, movies, media, etc… that brings the family fabric TOGETHER anymore. Has ANYBODY (seriously!!!) thought about that???
And then we wonder why today’s kids go off the reservation, doing some foul shit like eating “Tide-pods”.
BE A PARENT!!!
Not true but I don’t watch many of the ones that do focus on family because they’re kind of corny. LOL
Yes, it’s true. And if you don’t like “corny”, that’s YOUR opinion.
I’d rather travel back in time where things were FAR safer, before violence was advocated by radical leftists.
And then ya have the VIOLENCE of video games, which our young children have easy access to… coupled with indoctrination via the public schooling system.
Seems our kids don’t have a fair chance to DECIDE for themselves.
There were a lot of liberals in the early half of the 20th century
We were easily more liberal in the 1930s than we are now
I deleted what I wrote already. But my blood is boiling as a parent right now, I’ll tell you that.
It’s liberalism, it’s parenting, it’s video games….
Anything but the guns. Couldn’t be the fucking guns.
Australia got this right. Anyone who cares about our children more then their guns can study up and see it worked.
One and done! Kids before guns.
Signed,
A Father
C’mon John. Many of us are fathers. We just have different world views. The Australian NFA is held up often as what we should do. We’re not Australia. Geography makes it difficult for the weapons that were removed there difficult to replace. Not so here. We can’t stop smugglers from bringing 1,000s of people and tons of drugs in – guns would be easy. So if you can’t stop bad people from getting them, what is the point? And, finally, while gun crime and homicide (to include suicide) has fallen in Australia, overall crime rates have not. Obviously criminals and crazies have found other ways to make it work there.
I here ya Phelonius. And I’m a civil libertarian, so I don’t take it lightly to suggest gun control measures, but the point is (referencing your 3rd to last sentence) TRYING.
I just can’t sit around and say “lets not try it because it might not work” anymore and let things stay exactly the same when mass murder has become an absolute plague on our society and worst of all, those least able to protect themselves…our children.
I have read your POV, and I think you’re a good guy. I’m not looking to defame you or your beliefs in anyway, I respect you. I’m just done thinking about families like mine being destroyed forever while we simply argue and move on without acting every time this happens.
Public opinion has turned IMO about guns. 2nd ammendment advocates need to own up to responsibilities of checking that civil liberty in the name of public safety. I didn’t say give it up, it just needs some sort of check, and ARs are an obvious place.
Mike – Yeah Woodford is just okay. Same with Maker’s Mark. The round bottle you mentioned must be the Blanton’s (Horse & Jockey on top?). Decent stuff. Four Roses has never appealed to my taste buds, but maybe I’ll try it again. Filibuster is one of the better $40 bourbons that you can get.
Price doesn’t really mean much. I found my sweet spot to be $40-$50 a bottle. But, there are some tasty $30 and > bourbons out there. I’ve got a buddy who’s been collecting bourbon since the 80’s. Over 800 bottles. Not long ago he broke out some Wild Turkey from like 1976. Cost less than 10 bucks back then. Phenomenal.
Lou you idiot I am not actually Caucasian. I am a million percent not racist. I have been speaking out against the gun violence in Chicago on a regular basis. I have been to the church in Charleston that got shot up by that horrible little redneck, and i went there as a good-will ambassador from my church to theirs and helped to form close ties between the black and white churches in Charleston.
And MF I have spoken against the liberal judges who let criminals go with a slap on the wrist, and I am in favor of the death penalty. I oppose bleeding heart liberals excusing poor little Johnny who had a rough childhood. And I’m opposed to Big Government and strongly opposed to government invasion of privacy and vehemently opposed to government intrusion into the private affairs of its citizens and opposed to easy welfare checks to people just scamming the system and opposed to recruiting immigrants from countries who think of America as the enemy and opposed to pouring foreign aid money out of US citizens’ taxes into countries who mock our values and oppose our interests.
And Phish, your character assassination of me instead of actually engaging in dialogue shows your mind is closed on the topic, and you know nothing at all of my life as a fierce US Patriot, as a street fighter against Dictators and for Democracy, and as a man who still works on the urban front lines in the struggle to maintain American values among illegal immigrants while opposing police brutality.
To all of you, i will rescind my labeling you as part of the gun problem if you actually do something to solve it. If you don’t admit we have a gun problem and if you don’t work to fix it, then YOU are the ones hiding your head in the sand and you are part of the problem.
I see that I am disturbing the peace of this blog, so I will desist from further commentary,
no matter what further insults you all hurl at me. I will not respond. Namaste. But…
Your “plan” to just arm everybody and let the good guys kill the bad guys every day throughout our cities is unacceptable to me just because i don’t want an America in which my sweet mom might go to church and not come home, my angel wife might go to the store and not come home, and my fine upstanding US citizen sons might go to a concert and not come home. I already go to work every day with a chance that i won’t come home. But the innocent ones should not have to barricade themselves in their homes, arm themselves to go shopping, and drive in fear of being shot in a road rage incident. Just so the boys can have their toys.
Dude, I tried to engage you in dialogue. I wanted to discuss it in terms of facts and numbers, rather than emotion. Go back and read what you wrote. If there is a closed mind on this, it’s you. And, I’m sorry, what dictator and where are you street fighting?
LOL
So…..?
I don’t know what the answer to all this is. I do know an 18 year old who is a student at the high school my daughter attends posted a photo of guns last night on Snapchat with the statement ‘plenty to go around’. He was arrested today. Heavy police presence at the school today. She didn’t want to go and I didn’t make her. I didn’t think there would be an incident but there’s always that ‘what if ‘ thought.
It shouldn’t be this way. Kids should be able to go to school without police or armed teachers or metal detectors or whatever to keep them safe. The world has gone totally crazy.
I’m not anti gun. Plenty of people hunt in my area and that’s their choice. I’ve taken classes for gun safety and will be getting a gun for my home but I don’t think assault rifles are necessary to be owned by the general public. There’s a balance needed. There needs to be easier access to mental health services. There needs to be respect for others that seems to be missing these days. It all makes me sad.
I share your point of view Herd. I know for those of us with kids (my daughter is 14) this hits pretty close to home. I know the problem isn’t simply ‘guns’ but the 2 things most commonly involved are mental illness and assault rifles.
In February, President Trump repealed a regulation that would have made it easier to block the sale of firearms to people with certain mental illnesses. Lets re-address this.
Assault rifles…I also have hunted, although I’m not active today. I’m sorry for those of you who hunt with assault rifles, but it might be time to suggest you go back to hunting with shotguns and standard rifles so that we can address this assault rifle violence proliferation. I hate suggesting that because I’m a civil libertarian , but the right to bear arms like all civil liberties is not un-fettered. We can not yell fire in a crowded place and assert our freedom of speech because it’s unsafe for the public. Assault rifles can easily be seen the same way.
Bumpstocks STILL not illegal, btw. We argued about it, but it never happened. Vegas seems like a distant memory already, and it shouldn’t be.
Let’s finally act. Too many have died while we argue and do absolutely nothing.
I was going to be one and done because I thought there wouldn’t be civil discussion on this btw, I’m sorry to have underestimated most of you, but I don’t really have anything more to add so I’ll wish you all a good and safe weekend!
To Herd and John – I have a son in high school too. Even scarier, my son has autism, so any prep they might do at school is of limited use for him. I am not against things like universal gun checks, even for family members. It takes minutes and about $30 bucks to get one run. Now…I also don’t think the current check system is particularly efficient because it relies on input, mostly voluntary. Especially when it comes to HIPAA (Jahn – Check Snopes on that repeal: https://www.snopes.com/trump-sign-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-illnesses/) so fixing that would have to be part of the solution. Bumpstocks are just stupid. They’re all about the ego.
Jahn brings up a good point about all talk and no action. I think that’s the case and the point I’ve been trying to make is that when something this traumatic and emotional is politicized before the victims can even be mourned it can and will only lead to inaction or bad decisions. And bad laws are easier to put in place than they are to repeal. Look no further than the Clinton assault rifle ban 10 years of absolutely no impact.
Anyway, enough of this. Jahn – Have a good weekend.
So instead of a gun ban maybe the whole country can go take a psych test and anyone found to be unstable can be locked up? Or have their rights taken away?
We say it’s a mental health issue but nobody has a solution for that that I’ve read?
I’m open ?
anyone?
Well this will piss of someone!
M just got his toothpick out. 🙂
And it’s one hella big toothpick.
Lol
Lol!
I don’t have the answers. It’s clear neither does our government. I am of the thought that they just screw everything up anyway. So that makes it even harder to find what action to take. It’s all about self interest when it comes to our elected officials…..both sides.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 10: Derrius Guice, RB, LSU (A-)
Round 3 Pick 9: Keishawn Bierria, OLB, Washington (A)
Round 4 Pick 11: Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 30: Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 9: Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia (A)
Round 7 Pick 5: Dimitri Flowers, FB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 7 Pick 11: Joe Ostman, DE/OLB, Central Michigan (A)
My heart aches.
We have cars that are capable of going over 100 mph yet we have laws that say we can’t drive that fast for public safety. Is it so far fetched to say you can’t have certain weapons that are designed for mass destruction? I support everyone having all the things they like in their life but if not having assault rifles, having thorough background checks means that children can go to school and not get killed by a psycho then I have to say I’m ok with doing whatever it takes.
I know that most gun owners are responsible. But like everything else, there’s always the assholes that ruin everything for the rest of us.
Any news from Ken? Hoping all is going well.
I tend to agree with Herd and Jahn.
I know I live in Petticoat Junction, but there are a lot of hunters here, and a lot of education and respect for guns. I do have issues however with the need for automatic type guns.
I have no answers, but I am sad that kids have to be afraid to go to school.
I dont think there is a silver bullet, but limiting access to these type of weapons, easier access to help for those who are distressed, background checks and waiting periods, better follow up on tips from citizens…all may help if there was someone, or some people who could put together some kind of plan.
Completely off topic, I am watching Captain Philips, which I recorded…..is it worth watching?
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 10: Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma (A-)
Round 3 Pick 9: Darius Leonard, OLB/ILB, South Carolina State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 11: Tyquan Lewis, DE, Ohio State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 30: Nyheim Hines, RB, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 9: Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia (A)
Round 7 Pick 5: Tre’Quan Smith, WR, Central Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 11: Dimitri Flowers, FB, Oklahoma (A+)
Good call on Ken. With all the other discussions here, has anybody heard anything?
Thanks to both you and Herd thinking of me. Surgery is Monday. I am just laying low getting kind of nervous but just want it over
Great to here from you Ken. I guess I thought it was this week.
Take care, and God be with you my friend.
Thank you my friend
I have heard a lot about mental heath treatment in lieu of gun control from the the right on TV, around town and on here. The problem with the right taking this stance in lieu of sensible gun control leaves them morally bankrupt and complicit in the deaths of 100’s of children. The first thing Congress and the president want to do when the right takes power is cut the “entitlements” that pay for the freakin said mental heath treatment.
There can be sensible solutions but they aren’t going to be one magic fix. Only a multiple prong approach can “solve” the problems our country is having.
Sides. tribal us vs them
we are all US
Government needs to start acting like it.
That is kind of what I was saying.
No silver bullet(no pun or offense intended)
Has to be a combination of things.
We need BOTH better mental health treatment AND better gun control laws. What ever those new laws might be. I don’t know what those laws should be. Or how to pay for the mental health care either. That’s why there has to be discussion.
“Now is not the time to talk about that” is a bullshit cop out.
I am with you Rock, and it is really hard to find the perfect solution
bookman11 says:
February 16, 2018 at 9:33 pm
Completely off topic, I am watching Captain Philips, which I recorded…..is it worth watching?
No
Great, I posted that little Ken an hour to go, and now I have like 45 minutes left…lol
“Like an”…..not little Ken
Hey now
I wish I was younger and oblivious again. I used to never watch the “news” channels and now I can’t stop. I flip back and forth yelling at the egg heads on Fox and then screaming at the pinheads on MSNBC. They are both just such biased spin from the polar sides.
After a while I flip to BBC news because it has an outside slant and their accents are calming. LOL
How does aged beef not go rancid?
Is that what you call him Ken? Little Ken?
I call mine Hurcules
Ok…ok… I had a typo….smh.
Hercules is puny god compared to Hulk
you know what I find most interesting. the FBI can find a bomb which could be just about anywhere, disarm it, and the threat is done.
but, they have the Orlando nightclub shooter under surveillance for 10 months and then stop right before the shooting. they fail to act on a tip they got on the Parkland shooter despite a clear indication he could be a threat.
they had the shit right in front of them to stop two shooters but they would really, really need to work their asses off to find a frickin bomb. so, they were able to stop a bombing but not the shootings when they had the shooters in clear sight.
I mean, even if you had an idea the city the bomb would be in think about the size of that city and trying to find the bomb before it detonates. But, they’ve done it.
But, they can’t stop two shooters who they knew about.
Do you know about the incidents they DO prevent, or just the ones that fail?
exactly
what does that have to do with anything? how do you find a bomb in a city but have two threats like Orlando and Parkland and have the threats identified beforehand and, yet, you don’t act?
one would have to think it would take a lot more effort to try and figure out where a bomb threat would be located but you’ve actually got two threats staring you in the face, a gift, and you just let it go.
almost like they wanted them to happen.
This debate on mass shootings always goes the same way, nobody budges and I always find myself eventually exhausted by it. I see it here, on the news, and with family and friends.
More time is spent on anger at the shooter and defending weapons than the victims or the potential next victims. People act like new laws and regulations have never happened before. People used to drive with open beers, no seat belts and kids riding in the back of pickup trucks. Can’t do that legally anymore. Public safety.
It’s very clear on why many issues never find any solutions. Nobody is willing to work with each other anymore. That’s the most exhausting part of it.
Hulk’s common sense gun control but still preserve second amendment rights:
1. Require universal background checks.
2. End the gun show loophole.
3. Limit magazine capacity.
4. Eliminate bump stocks.
5. Require mental health professionals to report suspected dangerous individuals to a central database and give them immunity for doing so.
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I guess the best solution without a new approach to mental health and gun control laws not changing, is heightened security in all public schools. Citizens will have to pay for it through new taxes. Private institutions will have to pay for their own but will be mandated to do so, and basically everyone is on lockdown all day. The safety of the students, teachers and staff is the priority. This doesn’t protect anyone off campus like the rest of our daily lives, but at least they will be safe during school hours.
I see the same division on this issue as I do with every other fucking issue in this country. So I don’t see a whole lot being done anytime soon to curtail the shooter’s violent mind or their weapons of choice. Gotta build a fort with armed guards is the only quick solution I see now. Will the people be willing to pay for it? My guess is that will also be a divided debate, not happen across the board, and we’ll find out that we really don’t care about doing anything.
Yeah I’m up late. Met some former colleagues/friends of mine for dinner and not tired yet. LOL
My guess on the new logo/uni is going to be darker blue and closer to the throwbacks without doing it completely. Staying modern with some nostalgic. They call it an evolution not a revolution. LOL
A darker color would be better This version looks so soft…..I guess it’s fitting!
But you got to dress for the job you want right?!
1. Require universal background checks. There are background checks already. If you aren’t already in the system it will take up to 3 days to clear you to by a gun.
2. End the gun show loophole. They call it a “gun show loop hole” but all it is is on person selling there property to someone else? No clue on how you are going to do that unless you make the penalties so stiff people wouldn’t want to do it
3. Limit magazine capacity. You want more? because they have already done that
4. Eliminate bump stocks. someone would make another add on! unless the penalties were severe enough to curtail it.
5. Require mental health professionals to report suspected dangerous individuals to a central database and give them immunity for doing so. Oh I’m not touching that one
Seeings how everyone thinks it’s a right and left argument I’ll tell you what I will give to my country for the betterment of this problem!
You can pass laws that will triple the fines and jail time for breaking any of the aforementioned existing laws!
hell make it 10 times!
I’ll even go so far as to up the background check to whatever you think it needs to be.
Not the time frame but the check itself!
Great news
Tim’s gonna be pissed. lol
Wyo – I don’t know shit about Gun Shows, but there has to be a way to eliminate shady dealers from skirting the rules. Maybe they need to vet these dealers before they allow them to sell at a gun show. It’s not like they’re selling hot dogs or frisbees, they’re weapons, and if they can’t comply with rules, or won’t, they don’t get in.
Wyoming:
Ending the gun show loophole is really not that hard. You can require the promoter of the show to have a service on site to perform background checks. It’s not hard at all. It will cost more and that is why no one wants to do it
If you have a “Dealers” licence you have to preform a background check to sell a gun anywhere!
Including gun shows!
The Loop hole is that the people selling the guns are not “Dealers”
The don’t have to follow the rules for dealers because they are just a guy selling another guy a gun!
If you want to make it were you have to be a dealer to have a booth in a gun show that is fine with me.
Couldn’t care less!
I don’t buy from them anyway.
But you’ll have a hell of a time shutting down Craigs list!
Ok then Wyo, make it so that only legitimate dealers can sell at gun shows. Is that really so impossible?
Not at all!
Like I said then you only have to worry about the newspaper, thrifty nickel, craigs list. ETC.
I’ve been to some pretty big and small gun shows and your talking about maybe 5% of the booths?
You can have on line services available to background check the sale of any gun. It is not hard to do that.
Quenton Nelson was gone already when I picked . . .
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11: Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech (B)
Round 2 Pick 10: Isaiah Wynn, OG, Georgia (A+)
Round 3 Pick 9: Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 11: Frank Ragnow, C/OG, Arkansas (A+)
Round 4 Pick 30: Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 9: Akrum Wadley, RB, Iowa (A+)
Round 7 Pick 5: P. J. Hall, DT, Sam Houston State (A)
Round 7 Pick 11: Fred Warner, OLB, Brigham Young (A+)
It’s good but you waited too long on theRB😁
Wyo – I hear that brother – I think you have to start somewhere, and at least if the gun shows, which may not attract you, it might attract a lot of people who have no business getting a gun in the first place, and if the right people are selling at these shows, that’s one less place you have to worry about. We both know there’s always a place to find something if you really want it, which makes stopping everything illogical, but you have to try.
ElephantRider says:
February 17, 2018 at 2:40 am (Edit)
A darker color would be better This version looks so soft…..I guess it’s fitting!
But you got to dress for the job you want right?!
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Let’s face it, the current colors are weak. Too pastel to be tough!
Also, I want the damn dark orange or coral stripes back on the helmet, surrounding the aqua stripe.
Don’t know how many of you have seen Jordan Chunn yet but I’d like to see him wearing our new uniforms:
Don’t es anyone be buy stuff from car shows, gun shows or boat shows
I always thought that sort of stuff was really for show
Seems like an impulsive buy to me
I can’t magine going to a car show and being like “you know I do need a new car”
People actually do, it shocks me. Obviously, a car show is a lot more expensive product than a gun show, at least as far as the mainstream product is concerned. I’m sure there are pricey guns too, but most guns aren’t going to cost you $15K and up. I know of people that want to have things before anyone else does, so they buy at the show. A lot of times, dealers don’t even have those cars on their lots yet.
I guess if you want to be the first to buy the news ____\ it makes sense
But do they buy a car or a boat in cash or put it on their credit card…lol
I just sort of assumed “shows” were more about advertising than selling
LOL – I think they can finance a car the same way they would at a dealer.
I guess there is no reason you can’t call the bank from the show
I go to car shows for the models. And I am not talking about the cars. I am a bad man
Going to a car show for anything other than the models is like going to hooters for the wings
Exactly
Is this the longest streak WY has ever gone without posting a pic of a cheerleader?
Your right I need to up my game!
There is no reason to not run NICS backgrounds at a gun show. Gun shows are nothing more than a way for people to skirt regulations and avoid taxes. Yeah, some people would resort to trunk sales, but most won’t risk the penalties. Criminals will still get guns, but it might stop some people with mental impairments from getting them. I would even consider a short waiting period, say two weeks, to keep the NICS system from being overwhelmed. But if you are going to do these things, everyone has to share the pain. HIPAA has to be re-written to require mental health professionals to report into NICS. Local and State law enforcement have to be required to report illegal immigrants into the NICS. That includes all those “sanctuary” cities. Everyone is going to give up some privacy.
I would not support a ban on particular weapons or magazine restrictions. As I pointed out last night, we have already tried that and it did absolutely nothing. 10 years, no impact. Zero, nada. So why waste the time pretending that it will work now? It is a panacea, a false sense of safety, a kabuki theater production of pretend action put out to make the uninformed feel like they are doing something. How many of you would support giving the government the power to confiscate those weapon? Think about that – allowing the federal government to confiscate legally-acquired property. That is as un-American as it gets. Telling millions of Americans they had to disarm or be a felon? I think my screen name tells you which I would do. Hard to say how many people own “assault” weapons. Conservative estimate would be 5 million. And most of us own multiple. 5 million mostly well-trained, mostly prior or current military and/or law enforcement, mostly conservative, now pissed off citizens supported by the most of the remaining 95 million gun owners in America. To quote the Beatles, “You say you want a revolution?”
Here’s the thing – criminals ignore laws. That’s what they do, it’s their job and they are good at it. You think these evil pieces of shit who carry out mass murders care about what laws you pass? They go into it knowing they are going to break the law many times over. The only way to stop them, to minimize the loss of innocent lives, is immediate and violent action. They are cowards – that’s why when a good guy with a gun does show up they kill themselves or surrender. If the coach who died shielding students had been allowed and willing to be armed, it would have ended before 17 kids were killed. You might be able to make it a little more difficult for them to get a gun, but you won’t stop them from killing kids as long as you gather all those kids into one, target rich environment and put nothing in place to immediately defend them.
I agree 100% with that last paragraph. Just think if you’re walking thru a mall and half the people are carrying plus half the ppl in the stores are carrying and a gunmen tries to do what he did at that school. How many ppl is he going to take out before he gets shot?
You’re always going to have some casualties but the answer could be to arm more ppl instead of taking their guns away.
Also, if you’re going to arm teachers in schools why not meet the threat at the door? Why wait until the gunman is inside the school? Sure you can’t lock down nightclubs or malls or churches but you can do it at schools and it’s already being done. Why not put the security at the door(s) so the gunman can’t get in?
There’s not just one answer to solve the issue; there’s multiple answers. Sure, we need new laws but we also need new levels of safety/security. Plenty of companies have been doing active shooter training at their facilities for years and have instituted security measures limiting access to people with badges or passcodes and installing security cameras and employing guards to stop the threat at the door. They’ve been proactive. They didn’t wait for gun legislation to pass. They saw a threat and they found a way to deal with it and I can tell you I’d feel safer working for one of these companies who have those security measures than I would working for one that doesn’t just because there’s new gun laws in effect.
Gun shows are more like flea markets than car shows. People buy more accessories than guns and the guns tend to be over-priced. As Wyo said, if you are a licensed dealer (have a FFL), then you must run a background (NICS) for gun purchases. It is the “private” sellers that don’t have to run them. I put private in quotes because many of them are guys who go around buying guns in private sales to re-sell at gun shows. That is what needs to stopped.
All NICS checks are run electronically. The database is federal, but system is the responsibility of the individual states. Input into the database by the states is also voluntary, so garbage in garbage out. Most checks are near instantaneous, at least in Virginia. If a check does not come back within 3-days, the law considers the buyer cleared.
The big argument against universal checks is that it would require a background check for family transfers. I don’t know why it is an argument, other than convenience. It’s easy to go to a dealer and have one run for a fee. Unless you are in Washington DC. There is only one licensed dealer in DC and he charges dearly for transfers. He doesn’y Actually sell guns, just transfers.
Rock – The more correct statement is “ Now is not the time to politicize it.” And if all someone is doing is screaming ban, ban, ban you aren’t talking about it or looking for a solution That’s the real cop out.
From a teacher:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/16/florida-teacher-years-gun-violence-post-goes-viral-after-school-shooting.html
Active shooter drills might help. But I can tell you this. When my kids were younger I was a parent volunteer at their school one morning a week. You have no idea what it’s like to see kindergarten children….babies really, crawling under a desk or helping turn tables on their side to hide behind. It might help but it shouldn’t be that way. They should be able to live without these thoughts of some bad person coming into their school to kill them.
You might tell me they could use knives or bombs or whatever else and that’s true. Assault rifles are making it easy. Access is relatively easy. You can say the same of knives but I like the odds better. Someone could likely have stopped this guy before he killed all these people. Even hand guns give you better odds. You have to be able to aim to be effective. It takes more time. Not so with the assault rifle. Just spray it around and you’ve accomplished your goal in a short period of time. Keep your hunting rifles and shotguns if you need them for hunting. I don’t get using an assault rifle for hunting. That’s not a sport. Might as well go to some farm where they have animals contained and shoot them. It’s not a sport at that point. It’s just slaughter.
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then you make it impossible for a guy carrying an assault rifle up the sidewalk to the entrance of the school to get into the building!!!
Lou my kids schools have locks and cameras. They also have windows. I think with repeated shots at the locks or windows from an assault rifle the bad guy is getting in and this isn’t even addressing the fact that budgets are being cut all over for arts and other things in schools. Let’s spend our education money turning schools into fortresses so some idiots who don’t need them can have assault rifles. Yeah. That makes perfect sense.
I don’t feel like the schools my kids attend are fortresses but when I walk in and see an armed police officer and the doors are locked it says to me that by the time the gunman shoots the locks to open the doors the police officer is going to take him down.
does it make sense to protect our children from ppl who would harm them or do we let them sit inside the schools like sitting ducks because we think these security measures are ridiculous.
9 million AR-15’s are out there. it’s not every “idiot” who wants to own one who’s out there shooting up our schools. it’s the mentally deranged person who was allowed access to the weapon that’s doing it. so we take the guns away from our law abiding citizens because the measures we have in place aren’t cutting it.
I don’t even own a gun at this point but if there’s someone who lives in an area where they feel they need to have one to defend themselves and their family against an intruder in their home then they should have every right to do so.
Lol…I’ve never had much luck with the spray and pray method of shooting. You have to aim a rifle to hit your target, just like any other gun. Unless your the good guy in a Hollywood action flick. As for the hunting with one, it’s no different than any other gun. I can’t get more than about two accurate shots off in the brush. The Florida shooter could have done as much damage with a shotgun or a pistol as he did with the AR.
I know you don’t get it, but that’s not a good reason to ban something. I don’t get a lot of things. I don’t get homosexuality, but I don’t want to ban it. I don’t get driving drunk, but I don’t want to ban alcohol. I don’t get horse and dog racing, but I don’t want to ban them.
So you can use another type of gum for hunting. So no need for an assault rifle.
P-Phish — why do you figure the AR-15 is the gun of choice of guys like the ones in the Vegas and the most recent school shootings if a shotgun or pistol would work just as well?
Herd — can pretty much guarantee that whenever an AR-15 owner goes hunting he uses his shotgun or rifle. Seems the only legal point of them is target practice and preparing for government dissolution. Pump shotgun would be a whole lot better for home defense.
That’s not what’s being stated above.
P Phish says that’s what he uses for hunting. So much for your guarantee.
Was just going by what some of the law enforcement guys said on cable news….but maybe P-Phish is an exception to that. Actually have never even touched a gun in my life. Did see the one pointed at my head one time, but never touched it. 🙂
Stanger I was going by what was being said here. And you think P Phish is the only one who does that. Is that another of your guarantees?
Herd — just trying to agree with you. Like I said, know little about guns.
Yet you can make guarantees about the subject?
You weren’t agreeing with me. You were ‘guaranteeing ‘ I didn’t know what I was talking about. 🙄
Already backed off on that. So now fully accept that some people use AR-15s for hunting. BTW — have been in complete agreement with you on all you wrote on the subject. Not sure why seems am in the dog house.
Again Herd — I don’t get using assault rifles for hunting either. Was trying to support you in what I said, but obviously it did not come off that way. Maybe goes back to how little I know about guns.
This Swiss skier should get a Gold Medal just for this stunt. Am thinking there must be a trick to it but can’t for the life of me figure out what it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AocjLoeQHHc
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
February 17, 2018 at 11:37 am (Edit)
I don’t feel like the schools my kids attend are fortresses but when I walk in and see an armed police officer and the doors are locked it says to me that by the time the gunman shoots the locks to open the doors the police officer is going to take him down.
You like the idea of armed guards at schools? You like the idea of spending education dollars on locks and reinforcing doors and paying for all these additional things so that a group of people can have access to weapons that they don’t need? That is idiotic. Did you grow up that way? Did you have to be afraid of being killed at school? We had fire drills. That was the worst thing we had to worry about when I was in school. No wonder kids are so fucked up today. Priorities are so screwed up.
You didn’t have shelter drills, for bombings and those things? I remember having those in elementary school, probably either kindergarten or 1st grade I think.
when we’re dealing with the things we are dealing with in our society today, yes. school shooting are an unfortunate fact of life right now and I feel a lot better that the schools my children attend have the security measures they have rather than worrying about whether or not something like what happened at Parkland could happen at one of my kids schools.
the students are oblivious to the security measures. it’s not like there’s armed guards walking up and down the hallways all day long; doing sweeps of the building and classrooms.
and I didn’t say all people should have access to the weapons. I wholeheartedly support measures that would deny access to those weapons to people who have mental illness.
semi automatic weapons are here to stay. you’re not going to stop homeowners from having access to them for home/personal protection. concealed carry isn’t going away. the semi automatic rifle isn’t going away. so you can do away with all the AR-15’s and you still have semi automatic weapons.
what do you propose?
I have said it many times. I’m not anti gun. I have a concealed carry permit. Get rid of the assault riffles. That’s not home protection. That’s not hunting. It’s insanity.
what do you consider an assault rifle?
You don’t need a gun to protect yourself from an intruder in your home because, as we all know, every dad is like fucking McGuyver. they can just use a can of Lysol and a match. Or maybe they can just use rubber bands and paper clips.
Well at my home it’s just me and an alarm system, locks and a soon to be purchased handgun. I have my opinion. It’s disappointing to know that people will put their rights to have a weapon they don’t need over the right of people to live. Simple as that.
what weapon are you talking about because if you’re like everyone else saying “ban AR-15’s” how does that solve the issue if you still have tons of other semi automatic rifles that do the same thing.
Mike E. says:
February 17, 2018 at 11:54 am (Edit)
You didn’t have shelter drills, for bombings and those things? I remember having those in elementary school, probably either kindergarten or 1st grade I think.
Nope. But I’m older than you. 👵🏻
Lil bit, but I figure you must have done those drills too. No biggie
To say the answer is to not sell these guns to people with mental illness is laughable. They don’t have a stamp on them. They won’t volunteer the information. They loo pretty normal most times. And if you’re trusting all the databases to be updated and functioning to protect you….you’re crazier than I already thought.
So then, you’re answer is to do what? I keep asking but you don’t say anything.
I answered. Ive said it many times, not just today. Sorry you can’t read.
Ken goes in for his surgery on Monday…..so pick on him a lot so the Hulk is the one who walks in. 🙂
Hulk smash puny hospital
LOL…..try to keep it a minimum though. You do live in the area. Feel bad for whoever brings you the wrong favor jello though. 🙂
All will be well as long as they bring Hulk pain meds
Pain meds there will be….and you are gonna be getting the stuff that will make your doc look like Pamela Anderson.
I’m not saying that one particular weapon. I realize there are semi automatic handguns as well as long guns. I’m not completely uninformed.
But hey I get it. Kids and moms should continue to have fundraisers for art and music and playground equipment at school so money can be spent on reinforcing security measures at the buildings so you guys can have your big powerful guns. Makes perfect sense.
Herd — Did you see what the kids at Parkland are speaking out for? My kind of kids. Am not for banning guns, but seems we can at least take some reasonable steps. A couple years ago a guy walked into an Arizona airport with a 100 round mag on a semiauto. Why?….cause it was legal. That is not reasonable to me.
Does everyone know the difference in these 2 firearms?
Yep, one has a scope, the other one doesn’t. One is brown and black, the other is khaki green. Khaki also appears to have a larger magazine
Do I win?
One is designed for people who want to look like a soldier and the other is designed to look like a hunting rifle
I get that they both fire the same the same caliber bullet and fire at the same rate
But if you design something to look like a weapon used in war, and sell it to a general public – chances are some one from the general public will use it like a war time weapon
You know I would have home schooled mine but my wife wanted him socially adjusted!
I’m not quite sure I wanted him adjusted to the society we have today!
My wife happens to be a teacher at a grade school so I think I have plenty of skin in the game!
My apologize!
Piggy will be pleased. 😉
Lou, Ive said many times I don’t know what the answer to all this is. I’m for common sense. That means that I’m for not having weapons, whatever type or name you want to call them that can cause the loss of life that we see repeated over and over again. I’m for better mental health access. I’m for school security, but building a fortress is not the answer. I’d rather have the fortress not be necessary. I’m not anti gun. I have a conceal carry permit and have been shopping for a gun for my home but I’ve not gotten one yet.
To the rest of you, Sorry for this ongoing argument on the blog. For some reason, this has just been the last straw for me.
Time to rage clean the house. 🙂
yes, but would you agree that until we get to that point you are talking about that we need to secure our schools in a way that makes our children safe while they are inside rather than doing NOTHING about it?
we’re not going to see any significant change in gun laws quickly so while we wait for that to happen it’s better to be proactive and take the steps necessary to ensure the safety of our children in school instead of fighting about what kinds of guns should or should not be available to the general public.
you said you’re not for having the types of weapons that cause the loss of life we see repeated over and over again but the media makes it sound like the AR-15 is the gun of choice in these shootings when, in fact, 68% of all mass shootings involved handguns and not these so-called “assault rifles”.
the answer isn’t cut and dry. we’re not going to ban all semi automatic weapons, whether it be handguns or rifles or both. people should have access to semi automatic handguns for personal security whether it be to carry on them or for home security. some people live in neighborhoods where break ins occur all the time. law enforcement alone isn’t enough to stop it and we can’t say those people don’t have a right to defend themselves in their own homes.
the problem with the whole discussion is thinking that if you ban something like the AR-15 that these mass shootings will magically cease to exist and that’s not necessarily true. and you may not like the idea of providing security at our schools but it’s better than dead children.
none of this is going to be simple. it’s going to take multiple measures and the problem with this country is we are so far gone that we’re never going to get back to the days of Leave It To Beaver. sorry, but we live in a different reality and we don’t have the leadership in this country who could take us where we want to be in this discussion.
Why can’t we take multiple measures and start with the simple ones like banning rifles that are designed like the AR15?
I know it’s a complicated issue but that doesn’t stop anyone from taking steps to resolve it
that’s pretty much every semi automatic rifle out there.
How about we just say mags can be no more than say five shots then? Don’t even have to worry about which weapon they are attached too.
It might not be Lou
You don’t have to ban semi automatic (albeit I admit I don’t have a problem with that)
You just have to ban weapons that are designed like the AR15 rather than for instance a semiautomatic handgun or a semiautomatic hunting rifle
You can treat guns like you treat prescription drugs
Drugs have to get approved by the FDA before they are sol on the market
So you can have an agency who’s purpose is to look at traits of guns that make them more likely to be used in mass shootings and ban those guns
Then you have to concern yourself with the illegal sale of banned guns – but the fact that something is illegal makes it’s easier to prosecute in general
I don’t know what traits make something more like to be used that way – if I had to guess I think a gun you can move with and fire rapidly without aiming much fits that description- but I would leave that to the experts
Mags too stanger
I think it general you look at certain traits and then make a determination rather than saying something like AR15 are banned
The only thing that happens then is the manufacturer figures a way around it to make a profit
Mike E. says:
February 17, 2018 at 12:32 pm (Edit)
Lil bit, but I figure you must have done those drills too. No biggie
Again, no, we didn’t. Maybe because I’m a small town person in a tiny little state. But I do know what we did and didn’t do. I’m not that old yet.
Yeah, I get that after you told me the first time, I was just reiterating that I had thought you would have done those drills, not that I don’t believe you.
The only drills we did in school was when Skylab was falling
I would really rather see us target a LB in the draft than target Zach Brown again. There’s rumors that’s what we’re going to do. Don’t know if they’re true or not but when you look at how he’s getting 1 yr deals from everyone it’s a red flag to me that there’s something up there.
If I had my way we would target all our needs in the draft
But that’s probably not possible
I just hope it’s not RB they use FA for
I’m hearing talking about C.J. Anderson and Dion Lewis and I want to puke
To me it doesn’t matter how you acquire talent if they produce. The goal is to win games and try to win a championship. Not say we won the most draft picks on our team award that didn’t result in anything.
The difference is the $ spent and how much they have left
Imo RBs are the best position to draft and the worst to sign via free agency
They have shorter careers and you generally don’t want to pay them too much
The only way the government takes my weapon of choice is to pry it from my cold dead hands. 🙂
Now gonna wax like my grandfather did, but miss the old days. All us kids got off the bus at like 3:30 and then hung around the neighborhood in pick up games or whatever. All you had to do was be home before dark or for dinner if it was summer.
Letting that happen might for good reason get parents charged with child neglect these days.
herdfan says:
February 17, 2018 at 12:17 pm (Edit)
To say the answer is to not sell these guns to people with mental illness is laughable. They don’t have a stamp on them. They won’t volunteer the information. They loo pretty normal most times. And if you’re trusting all the databases to be updated and functioning to protect you….you’re crazier than I already thought.
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I think that’s spot on and the real problem with focusing too much on mental disabilities
The vast majority of mental disabilities are never diagnosed
Also some one can be healthy when they are 20 and mentally unstable by the time they are 30
But banning people with known mental disabilities (sort of a no fly list) isn’t a bad idea to help reduce the risk of massacres like that
It’s just hard to implement
You take the regulation we mentioned yesterday
After the VT shooting, a database and the ability of federal agencies to share information concerning mental disabilities so the purchase of guns could be blocked was created
That was 2007. In 2016 the social security administration was to begin implantation (I can’t explain the time gap – maybe an amendment) whereas some on who reduced social security based on a disability would have been banned from purchasing
And that was controversial. Both the left and the right had issues with it. And when you hear about a bill trump signed last year which nullified that requirement – that’s what they are talking about. That law is off the books now.
The reality is, it really would have only convered a small % of people with mental disabilities. How do you do something broader, especially given that the very narrow thing couldn’t even pass muster?
I don’t think focusing on mental disabilities will being very productive. But I’m okay with it as one avenue
It seems to me that heightened vigilance throughout our society is probably the best solution. A more serious public watchdog. There’s a lot of technology and communication tools out there. Use them.
I don’t know
People are blaming the fbi right now bc that shooter was reported to them and they didn’t do anything
But really I don’t know what they could have done
He wasn’t doing anything illegal until the day he walked into the school as far as I know – and then it’s too late
Same with the Las Vegas killer. Albeit I bet his ex wife understood he was dangerous, that guy had a clean criminal record until that day
What are we supposed to do ?
Can’t do much on that front if there are no signs. But when there are, don’t ignore them. There have been multiple reports lately of family members reporting their own children and grandchildren who were plotting a massacre. That needs to increase from everyone who is aware of something. I just posted one below. That’s the third one I’ve read the last few days.
I could agree that would be helpful, but considering that people went to the FBI and they whiffed on it, it’s hard to have a lot of confidence in that
That’s sort of what I’m saying
I don’t really blame the fbi though
The other thing is, sometimes, that sort of mental instability goes along with bad parenting – even abusive parenting
Are we really going to count on shitty parents to keep the rest of us safe?
Just kind of caught up the last 5 days. Stayed at the Hard Rock Hotel, Universal Studio’s this past week.
http://wjla.com/news/local/father-turns-in-daughter-after-finding-journal-with-plans-of-mass-shooting-at-md-school
I posted one the other day of a Grandmother doing the same
Yep! I saw that one too.
Yeah but
I’m not sure there is a crime at the end of the day
Still a good thing, get that kid in therapy and keep an eye on them
Probably will avoid a catastrophe
But it’s really not just kids
How old was the Vegas shooter? Over 50 right?
Not just kids. Someone might have an adult brother or uncle etc. who is talking crazy and is known to have weapons. Be more vigilant. It’s just another solution that could save lives.
I’m just trying to be pragmatic about it
Most of us don’t monitor the people around us like we monitor our kids
Some people are aware of people they know might be up to something and do nothing about it. Change that. Like I said it’s one solution. That’s why I said heightened vigilance.
https://twitter.com/PhinsComNews/status/964952255064629251
Suicide kills thousands of teens each year. The last I knew a couple years ago the number was around 3000ish….and it was the second or third highest cause of death for kids. Look it up if you want actual numbers. Yet, we see no public outrage or outcry for something to be done….for laws to be changed or rights to be taken away.
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If you want to save children and actually want to help those afflicted with a mental health issue….then start by helping kids who are struggling with mental health issues. You may help both those who turn their pain inward and kill themselves…and those who turn it outward and kill others. Then, you may actually make a difference.
That will help too
But when that fails and it clearly has at times
Then what? The rest of us pay the price.
I see plenty of outcry for teens committing suicide mostly due to bullying. There is also a lot of discussion about opioid/heroin use being on the rise and too many people/teens overdosing. There are so many issues right now I think everyone is searching for answers. But people have a hard time having rational conversations and they become pissing matches and personal insults rather than solutions.
Exactly.
I’ve watched people try to have this conversation and it doesn’t take long for their political affiliation to come out and start blaming presidents and other pols they don’t like. As if their party is the key to the solution and ignore that the same thing has happened under both parties who are in power. This issue is about more than politicians.
Tim,
I work in the mental health field and watch funding for our services get cut year after year….and I work in one of the most progressive states in the Country with respect to mental health. When it comes down to putting their money where their mouth is, most taxpayers choose to keep their money. They’ll pay for a new football stadium but still have one psychologist serve a whole school district and think that’s okay or good enough.
It’s dramatically underfunded
My dad was a psychiatrist in a mental hospital for the state of fla and he often had to make sure
Here in NY I’m almost certain that the vast majority of homeless people have untreated mental illnesses
I understand. That’s definitely part of the problem and why people say we need to take mental health more seriously. That actually happening is another thing.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 10: Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, OLB, Oklahoma (A)
Round 3 Pick 9: Hayden Hurst, TE, South Carolina (A)
Round 4 Pick 11: Rashaad Penny, RB, San Diego State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 30: Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia (C+)
Round 6 Pick 9: Justin Lawler, DE, Southern Methodist (A+)
Round 7 Pick 5: Jessie Bates III, SS, Wake Forest (A+)
Round 7 Pick 11: Dimitri Flowers, FB, Oklahoma (A+)
The OK LB is probably more of an edge type
He’s pretty incredible
But you need a RB!!!
Jahn/Naples, I understand where you guys are coming from. Unfortunately the system has been lacking for to many decades where any new gun law or tighter restrictions will not work. The are millions upon millions of unregistered guns in this country. They are sold from one buddy who had it registered at one time to another buddy, they are stolen and sold, etc. I personally own 12 guns and only 2 are registered. Nine of them were given to me from my father and father-in-law and are unregistered. The other 3 I bought, 2 of them are registered (a handgun I use for work and a new hunting rifle, the other one at a yard sale (not registered though I did have a buddy run the serial # to make sure it was not reported stolen). I have many friends who own multiple guns and probably 50% or less are registered.
With this in mind, if the government were to actually ban firearms, how many or what % would they actually collect?
Unfortunately, the only solution I see is tighter security/presence at schools. There are many retired military and retired police who wouldn’t mind this type of low salary job to supplement their retirement check. They would also provide more positive role models at the schools. I know I would be interested in it when I am done with this job in about 5 years.
God Bless, y’all !!!
All these unregistered guns is pretty disturbing.
It is Tim, but that is just the way things have gone for decades. Hand-me-downs, sold from one buddy to another, then to another. Not counting the number of guns stolen. Don’t know what the numbers are on stolen firearms but sure it is staggering by itself.
I just called a friend who owns a pawn shop and posed the question about unregistered pawned guns. He said more than half are not registered by the current owner and are still registered to the original purchaser when they are brought in and some not registered to anyone period. He just runs the serial # to make sure they are not reported stolen. He is required of course to screen and register any firearms he sells.
Wyoming, that one is really good though I am more of a homer for Riley Ferguson or Mike White at QB.
BBMike – Those are some staggering numbers on the unregistered guns and it kind of makes me realize how hopeless it would be to ban a specific type of gun. I suppose over time it would probably help, maybe generations, but by then we’ll probably have ray guns that can just turn people to dust.
The Flying Pig says:
February 17, 2018 at 5:11 pm
But you need a RB!!!
You don’t like penny?
Round 4 Pick 11: Rashaad Penny, RB, San Diego State (A+)
I missed that pick
That will work
We who oppose blanket bans often point out that those advocating the ban do not know anything about the weapons they want to ban. And most often the counter argument is that you don’t need to know anything about them to know they are bad. Well I say you do. If you write a law in ignorance, you wind up with an ignorant law.
I think I’ve said half a dozen times now, there was already a 10-year ban on “assault” rifles and high capacity magazines. It was an ignorant law. It accomplished nothing. Those here who keep saying ban is the answer, refuse to address that. Easier to bury your heads in the sand than do the hard work of thinking it through.
And just because you don’t get something, or understand it, or know anything about it doesn’t mean you can or should discount the fact that someone else does when you are calling for taking away a constitutional right. That’s called intolerance in any other circumstances.
And don’t throw out “Oh our children….” either. Your child is far more likely to die in a car accident caused by texting than by being caught in a mass shooting. How many of you have taken your kids phone away and refused to let them in a car with friends if one of the friends had a phone? After all roughly 8 kids are killed and well over 600 injured per day in auto accidents. That’s 3 Florida shootings a week. I don’t get it….how can you let children be killed like this when the solution is so simple? Do I hear your calls for banning cell phones for children or maybe just cars? No…I hear crickets. There are dozens of things multitudes more likely to happen to a kid today than a mass shooting.
Someone asked why AR’s seem to be the weapon of choice. They are not. They may be becoming so because the press and the uninformed focus on them rather than…you know…anything substantive. None used in Columbine (multiple rifles, pistols, shotguns, pipe boobs, but no evil assault rifles)or Virginia Tech (33 dead there with a pistol) or Nickle Mines Amish school (pistol, shotgun, bolt action rifle – shit I HUNT with one of those) or Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church (shotgun) or 2009 and 2014 Fort Hood shooting (nope – both pistols) or 2010 Austin Texas (small plane) or Gabrielle Giffords shooting (pistol) or 2012 Aurora theater shooting (he did have one in the car, but he used a shotgun and a pistol to carry out the shooting) or 2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting (pistol) or Boston Marathon (homemade bombs) or Charleston church shooting (pistol, but Naples went in solidarity and wants to ban “assault” rifles) or Umpqua Community College shooting (whole bunch of pistols. Had an AK clone but didn’t use it.) or 2015 Merced, CA (knife) or 2016 Columbus Ohio (machete) or Saint Cloud, Minnesota mall (knife) or 2016 New York City, New York (bombs) or 2016 East Hartford, Connecticut (another small plane. I don’t get it. We should ban those) or 2016 Ohio State University (car and knife) or 2017 Fort Lauderdale airport shooting (pistol) or 2017 Charlottesville, Virginia (car) or 2017 Burnette Chapel shooting (handgun) or 2017 New York City, New York (vehicle). On the “assault” rifle side of the ledger we have about 6-8 attacks. BTW – some of both were carried out by Islamists, which I don’t get so we should ban Islam. Oh and BLM as well. Let’s just all be simplistic, histrionic, uninformed, and ignore all facts. And let’s make major decision while we are there.
I’m happy to have constructive conversations on this topic with anyone. But I’m done with talking to anyone who is willfully ignorant and close-minded and is basing their opinion on that ignorance. You are the reason nothing can get done. You piss off anyone who is willing to try to find a way that will work, because you only have one argument and it’s not really an argument at all. You don’t want a solution, you want your way.
I said i wouldn’t respond to insults, but this is too important not to.
Are you happy to have a constructive conversation?
Since you are an expert on guns,
Name one thing you are willing to do to end the senseless gun slaughter in America.
Frankly I want a ban on all guns sold – UK style
The only thing that stops me from pushing for that is a general respect for the 2nd amendment and the fact that I think it’s important to try to apply the intent of the forefathers if we want to preserve what we have built
You guys that know guns have to provide information for the rest of us
We should not ban Islam for the same reason. The free exercise (the 1st amendment) protects religion
And we should not ban organizations like BLM (which I think it’s a peaceful organization for the most part) from organizing bc banning assembly also violates the 1st amendment
The idea I don’t think is to ban groups of people in any way. And I don’t think we want to rip culture away from anyone including gun culture – I tend to think we are different than the rest of the world and we need to figure out ways to work together –
But no one ever said that was easy
So people that are informed on the subject really need to be involved or else it’s all just mental masterbation
Piggy – The Islam/BLM lines were throw away sarcasm (although I disagree regarding the nature of BLM).
The UKs ban is not a total ban. You can get licensed to own a gun. Their last mass gun murder was 2010, 12 killed, shotgun.
I thought only 007 was licensed in UK
I figured so much in terms of the sarcasm
I’m just pointing out the broad protections of the constitution and the fact that protection under the constitution has very little to do with public opinion
It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks if something is interpreted to be a consitutiinal protection
I’m a constitutionalist as well. And despite calling you a liberal, a libertarian like you. Only older. And taller.
Mike/Tim – Only a couple of States have actual gun registries (NY, CA). There is no federal registry by law. With that said the ATF requires dealers to permanently maintain the Form 4473 that must be completed in any firearms transfer (sell), so they can trace a gun back to the original purchaser. However, that original purchaser can give or sell the weapon with no paperwork or just say they did. So few guns are actually registered. Unless you have a NFA (National Firearms Act) weapon (machine guns, short barreled rifle or shotgun, suppressors, destructive devices, etc.). For instance, I have a short barreled rifle (SBR) and it is registered with the ATF who can come to my house anytime and ask to see it.
Machine guns are a little different in that the 1986 law that Reagan signed prohibits the sale of any machine gun manufactured after a date in 1986 to a private citizen. So there is a finite number of machine guns out there in private hands. However, if you have a certain category of federal firearms license (FFL) you can manufacture machine guns for military and police use and you can keep some for demonstration purposes. On top of all that, machine guns are easy to make. The estimate is that for every legally-owned and registered machine gun there are at least 12 unregistered, illegal ones. They say Kentucky is the machine gun capitol of the USA.
That 86 law just expanded a 1934
That 80s law just expanded a 1934 so for some time machine guns have been curtailed which leads to less and less of them today
Get the papers
Correct. Until 1986, machine guns were legal to purchase with a NFA tax stamp ($200) and registration with the ATF. You can still buy one legally if it was manufactured before the ’86 law was passed. The idea was to shrink the supply. However, it is estimated that today there are 12 or more unregistered (ergo illegal) machine guns for every legal one.
I don’t read papers anymore. I’m living the digital life.
That was my goodfellas reference
I posted the same thing 2x
Movie reference go as well with me a literary ones do with you.
I told you earlier
I’d be ok with a more stringent background check!
You lawyers will have to fight the Insurance and medical to get them to pony up any pertinent information!
I really want heavier fines and sentences for any gun violations!
You won’t get a fight from the NRA to do that by the way!
Naples – I posted some of the things I thought would help earlier. Universal background checks, even for private sales and family members. That also closes the gun show loopholes. Re-write HIPAA so mental health professionals are required to report certain categories of patient into the NICS system. Require all state and local law enforcement and courts to enter arrest and trial outcomes that would prohibit the purchase of a firearm. Allow any teacher that is willing to take training to carry concealed at work. Put existing bumpstocks on the NFA list prohibit any new manufacture. In other words treat them like machine guns. Strengthen the NICS infrastructure. Create some federal guidelines for states to follow when implementing NICS.
Those are a few on the gun side. More can be accomplished on the social/cultural side.
So you are not in agreement with me in terms of just banning everything from B.B. guns to cannons ?
😛
Prolly not. I mean, everyone can use a 155mm howitzer for hunting. You just lead them a little more.
I have around 12 guns that were given to me by my father and grandfather that I dought are registered.
I don’t even shoot any of them anymore?
But you’ll play hell getting any of them!!!!!
You’ll play hell trying to load them as well…
What are they muskets?😳
Hey now….I have a musket.
Na
But I do have a Dueling brace of black powder pistols
I figured as old as you are WY, if it was passed downs from your grandfather – it might be a medieval weapon
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No Mid just EVIL!
I keep most of them locked up so they don’t wander around spouting off!
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They have 2 first rounders folks
It they may be looking to get way ahead of us and take a guy like Rosen or Darnold
Could be. That would make some people here happy.
Phish – I notice you did not offer any restriction of the sale of any type or class of gun.
Yet there are laws against dangerous drugs, dangerous vehicles, dangerous poisons, dangerous incendiary devices, etc. even dangerous animals. Why not make laws against dangerous guns?
Concerning your good points:
“Universal background checks, even for private sales and family members.”
Who would be denied gun ownership under the checks? Here’s my list.
perpetrators of violent Domestic abuse
all convicted felons
(at least those using guns in their crimes)
all people convicted of road rage incidents and animal abuse (known precursors)
the mentally ill (of certain types defined by mental health professionals)
everyone under 21
foreign nationals
anyone on the terrorist watch list
anyone posting violent threats on social media (level to be defined)
illegal aliens
tourists on visas, passports, whatever
members of the KKK and the Black Panthers
members of “street gangs”
members of the Nazi Party
members of the Communist Party
etc. (use research to find more groups likely to murder people)
Do you agree?
About half of your list is already on the books!
That is my point about how his proposals are really not proposing anything much at all. Just more talk, no action. Just more of the old cliche, “we already have enough laws, we just need to enforce the ones we have.”
So inadequate.
We certainly should enforce the gun laws, but saying that’s good enough is just dodging away from actually doing anything.
We need to be trying something new, since what we’ve been doing obviously isn’t working.
So you didn’t really want a conversation, because your mind is already closed. You just thought you could play “I knew it games.” to prove a point you already settled on. You are the reason we can’t get anything done.
You’re right that we do need to try something new. And since we already tried banning certain types of weapons to no effect, why would we do it again?
BTW – You never said what dictator you were fighting.
Members of any organization present a problem
The 1st amendment protects the right of assembly
So exclusions members of organization potentially violated both the 1st and 2nd amendment which is probably a record😃
I didn’t say prevent the existence of the organization; i said prevent them from buying any guns so they can carry out their violent intentions.
I’ll start with the 2nd part. I would be fine with all of those, but I think you run into 1st amendment problems if you try to prohibit someone based on their association with a group. KKK, Panthers, other hate groups are shitheads for sure as are political groups like Nazis, communists and socialists, but I don’t think you can prohibit them before they commit a crime. Now, if they were labeled as terrorist groups that might be different. Then they would by definition be illegal. As Wyo said the majority of those are already,on the books.
As for restrictions on sales of certain types of weapons beyond what exist, no. We have tried those and they had no effect. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of regulations relating to guns already. All weapons have the potential to be deadly, but it is the person that is dangerous. And if we really want to achieve something, we have to be realistic about what we can do. Do you really think over 5 million American citizens are going to peacefully surrender their guns? Arbitrary search and seizure by the British was one reasons there was a revolution. So if it’s not feasible, why put it on the table. And it does not ( as proven) make anyone any safer. Kabuki.
Finally, laws are not preventative. They are enforced, but only after they are broken. Law enforcement, as structured here, is reactionary. Criminals and crazies don’t care about laws. That’s why they are criminals and crazy. So passing a law that takes away a right punishes only those who obey the law. Think of it as passing a law that says if you were born in another country, you are now an illegal alien and must surrender yourself for deportation.
For the record phish
I’m fairly liberal wth some Libetetriam tendencies
And yes a constitutional conservative (bc of my love of irony)
As a lawyer in like laws to be interpreted as written rather than to much reading into laws
But I don’t exactly hate regulation like a lot of libertarians and I support a lot of liberal legislation, I’m just a stickler for procedure I guess and I like my laws to say what they mean
So you must hate the NFL rule book. Lol
I would prefer a simplified rule book with limited officiating
You need to tell Naples why half of his list will never make it Mr. Lawyer pants!
Pants?!?!
How dare you!
You wear pants when your lawyering!
I knew it…You can’t even spell Libertarian!
I’m still older than you. And taller.
I can’t spell (or reach) anything
Every once in a while you get the diamond!
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State (A+)
Round 2 Pick 10: Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State (A)
Round 3 Pick 9: Ross Pierschbacher, OG, Alabama (A)
Round 4 Pick 11: Frank Ragnow, C/OG, Arkansas (A)
Round 4 Pick 30: Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia (C+)
Round 6 Pick 9: Skai Moore, OLB, South Carolina (B-)
Round 7 Pick 5: Dimitri Flowers, FB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 7 Pick 11: Van Smith, SS, Clemson (A+)
Skai Moore late is a nice find
If he passes the physical?
There are a bunch of good prospects late with medical red flags!
Glad we don’t have that GM anymore!
But I will be listening for green lights on several players!
So that is exactly my point. You don’t have the guts to challenge these groups. I do.
I’m not afraid of them. If they espouse violence, deny them the means to attack.
If they are in my country illegally or with nefarious intent, I say kick them the hell out and don’t let them have guns while they are here. It amazes me that we allow illegal aliens to live off our tax dollars. Whoever voted that that was ok? Not me. And take away their guns too.
Why give guns to felons? Why give guns to people who have already committed violent crimes against people or pets? Why give guns to people saying they want to shoot up schools on Facebook?
I’m not afraid of teenagers. I say take away their privilege to guns just as we took away their right to get drunk, because they have proved they couldn’t handle the responsibility and don’t deserve the privilege. Too many adults are afraid of teenagers. They don’t want to upset them by going into their rooms. i say go into their rooms and get the guns and go onto social media and find those threatening violence and arrest them and take away their devices.
I don’t know what country you live in, Street Warrior. Here in America, we don’t criminalize association, even if we don’t like it. Here in America, we don’t sell guns to felons and illegal immigrants or those who have committed domestic abuse or other violent crimes.
I went into my kids room. I put keystroke counters on all my computers so that I had all of there usernames and passwords. I grounded my kid for a year, no phone, no computer except for school work, supervised visits from friend. So get off your fucking high horse and get educated.
was kinda trying to agree with you there on that one Phish
Huh…the first sentence didn’t really read that way or, at least, I didn’t interpret it that way. That being the case I apologize. I may be a little jaded from arguing with people that are absolutely closed off.
Phish, were you talking about teens texting while driving or parents/adults doing it with children in the car?
Lots of good info. between you and Piggy. I’m also a constitutionalist as well. We’re moving pretty fast technologically but still struggle with some of our basic human behavior in a civilized nation. I’m not for banning guns or the people’s right to bear arms. But just like certain weapons are not legal to acquire or possess, more can be added to that list. We can disagree on that and I know you would, but I would support that.
Tim the stats don’t break it out, so I assume it is both.
Phish stop attacking me the person and try to actually do something constructive.
You just give up.
You say oh nothing is working, oh poor me, we shouldn’t even try anymore, it’s just too hard to make those bad people stop. I’m not afraid of bad people.
Additionally, i never said go into Wyo’s house and take his grandfather’s heirloom guns. That’s silly.
I don’t even think we need to confiscate your cutting edge slaughter devices. Of course that won’t work well.
Many people would die on both the law enforcement and the gun owner side of that civil war. That’s not necessary.
Let’s start by curtailing the continued development of new and ever more efficient slaughtering machines and the cold-blooded purveying of them to any idiot or insane person who wants one.
Nah…See, you want to play the martyr and throw little passive aggressive jabs out there for a reaction. I like to be more direct. You are all over the place with your posts. I think you are a like the little Antifa fucks, if not one in fact. You probably run around wearing a mask, carrying a can of mace and a pocket knife, thinking you know about violence. You’re a self proclaimed street warrior, resisting the dictator, but you won’t name the dictator. That leads me to to believe you are talking about our duly elected President. You claim to be an ultra patriot, but you want to contravene the very rights that make America what it is. You speak in hyperbole and expect to be taken seriously. You throw out what you think are sly insults, then cry about being insulted.
As I said, I prefer to be more direct. What you are is an ignorant, whining little bitch who is not worth talking to, so going forward I won’t. I may continue to insult you, but that’s not talking. Keep on resisting, Street Warrior.
Short story…
There is a certain person in this world who has helped to reground me in my faith. There was a time in my life where I was ‘dancing with the devil’, pre-September 11th, 2001… I was turning to the Dark Side… and FAST.
So shortly after September, 11th, 2001, I stumbled upon this guy… and he resonated with me fairly quickly. He made me feel a little uncomfortable at first, but I KNEW that he knew what he was talking about. I’d finally found someone who could answer my questions with logical, well-informed answers… not with opinion, conjecture, and political spin.
Moving right along… to listen to this man talk about football was (and still is) like listening to fingernails going down a chalkboard… and he knows it, too. Thus, he doesn’t talk about football very often being it’s not in his wheelhouse and he’s not very interested in it to begin with. He’ll be the first to acknowledge that’s he’s ANYTHING but an expert on the subject (which is all too obvious to begin with, LOL)!
But I ADORE this man for what he DOES know… I LISTEN to him when it comes to what IS in his wheelhouse. I’d rather be educated by an EXPERT than a novice or a blow-hard… I wish more people felt this way about life. If you’re always the ‘smartest person in the room’, you’re probably always in the WRONG room… words to live by. If we can’t LEARN, we can’t GROW.
So why am I typing this? Because I’ll ALWAYS defer to the experts/experienced over my own ignorance. I may know more than the ‘average Joe’ about guns, Second Amendment rights, and this whole gun debate… but y’all had better start listening to Phelon and Wyoming on this subject. Y’all might even get a free education by listening to their knowledge… as I had with the man I referred to in my first few paragraphs of this post.
As y’all know, I no longer come here to get into political debates: I touched the tip of the iceberg yesterday, and it felt COLD to the touch what with the ignoramus and their emotional knee-jerk reactions. RESPECT THE EXPERTS. I don’t go to my dentist in order to repair Slave-1 when it’s running slow, and vice-versa. 😉
Phelon and Wyoming… PROPS to BOTH of y’all for providing the FACTS. MUCH appreciated, gentlemen.
Just remember many people don’t adhere to scripture and documents written hundreds of years ago when much has changed. That’s never going to go away, probably will increase over time. Call it liberalism and make everything about it a dark cloud, but that would be inaccurate on many levels. The idea that everything was hunky dory back in the day is the biggest fallacy out there. Lot’s of violence and inappropriateness that nobody talked about got swept under the rug. But no more. That is also liberalism.
Tim – You should read “In Their Own Words: The Founding Fathers” by TJ Stiles. It’s a collection of their correspondences and journals. I was amazed at how contemporary and relevant to today’s issues their thoughts were. Awesome read.
They are experts at guns. They are also not helping America to get past this gun violence crisis. Because they value their gun ownership more than peace and security and safety in our country. They are playing right into the hands of the Dictators. Mere pawns.
You and i have at times achieved a high degree of empathy which i have treasured and we have found ourselves together on several significant planes of thought, but your continued blanket labeling of everything bad as “liberal” is preventing you from seeing all of the truth. I know many liberals who love America. I know many liberals who are good parents, good family people. I abhor threats to my country and i lament the destruction of our core values, But I disdain the demagogues who incites brother against brother with diatribes of hatred, just as they have turned you against me.
I have never been a registered Democrat. i have been a registered Independent for at least 30 years. But loving guns more than loving people appals me.
Listen to the wee little Antifa Street Warrior. He doesn’t understand the constitution, but he’s a patriot. We mere pawns are at a loss when faced his wisdom.
And saying “let’s arm teachers” is saying you want to go back to the America of the “shoot out at the OK corral” gun battles, but now you want school children as bystanders to turf wars in Algebra classes. And may the quickest draw win, right? Tough luck, teach. Guess ya shoulda spent a few more hours on the shooting range. If ya can’t take the time to learn about guns, you just have to pay for your ignorance.
America saw how bad that life was and began making guys check their 6-shooters at the saloon doors. You want to go back to that “May the best gun win” mentality.
I believe those were those same talking points used when Florida passed the Stand Your Ground Law. And yet, the streets aren’t running with blood. No innocent by standers have been shot. I guess you want your kids to be helpless victims. Because the psycho that went to the school ito kill them is surely going to spare them if no one can shoot back. Makes perfect sense. Don’t let teachers carry in case of psycho school shooters because we would rather thenchildren were killed than be traumatized by living through a shoot out happening to protect them. What a maroon.
Felons can’t legally buy guns already…. I’m confused if it’s thought they could….?? What??
And weapon free zones are a target for a reason….
My point was there was no concession, nothing substantive was proposed, no conversation, just insults to those who hold a different point of view. Just personal attacks.
Passive. Aggressive. Bull. Shit.
Funny how it works, isn’t it?!! ‘Drug-free zones’ are a target for drug-dealers/users and ‘gun-free zones’ are a target for killers.
LAWS DON’T WORK for the non-law-abiding… it only makes matters WORSE.
Are you an ANARCHIST?
My god man, laws are a fundamental and wonderful step of progress in civilization.
Would you have us return to the Dark Ages where the baddest ass marauders stole anyone’s women, anyone’s livestock? And then people had to gang together to defend to the death their women and property on a daily basis? Is that the America you want? Whoever has the most guns gets to do what they want?
Do you want to go back to no laws? And throw away a thousand years of civilizing progress? For what? What is the upside to that?
Well, it would keep the weak from breeding…
naplesfan2010 says:
February 17, 2018 at 8:33 pm
They are experts at guns. They are also not helping America to get past this gun violence crisis. Because they value their gun ownership more than peace and security and safety in our country. They are playing right into the hands of the Dictators…
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Incorrect. The hands of a dictator would disarm it’s citizenry… you need to brush up on your history, my Brother.
The mind of the dictator scares me far more than the hands. The Dictator knows he needs to foment many minds to do his handiwork. No one man can rule without infecting the minds of many to be suspicious and hateful of his fellow citizens until enough are his willing servants that the tipping point is reached, and he can get anything he wants by inciting his minions.
And for that very reason, I find the MSM (mainstream media) to be alarming. They are ALL in bed with the Democrat party.
We agree on this.
naplesfan2010 says:
February 17, 2018 at 8:33 pm
You and i have at times achieved a high degree of empathy which i have treasured and we have found ourselves together on several significant planes of thought…
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For THAT, I THANK YOU!!! 😀
I feel the same way, my man! Remember my mantra… it’s ALWAYS okay to disagree on something. I still VERY MUCH appreciate ya, Naples! I think you’re a VERY good man and that will never change. We just simply disagree on this one given subject. That doesn’t make us enemies, man!
Phelon knows a thing or two or three about security. I imagine prevention would be #1 on the list….
Hope for prevention, plan for response.
Libertarians also have sects.
1. Absolute – the smallest government you’ve ever seen LOL
2. Liberal constitutionalists
3. Libertarian leanings
Much of the libertarian platform is liberal. It’s based on Jefferson’s Democratic-Republican Party. He was very taken by French Libertarianism. The Constitution is liberal. Republicans that followed were the liberal party.
What has happened is Republicans have become a neoconservative with religious lead ideas party, and the Democrats the progressive socialist party.
Real liberalism is our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
You can define/re-define all ya want… it doesn’t matter. What matters is what’s on the table TODAY. I’m not dissin’ ya at all… I’m JUST SAYIN’…
Yes, but you have a bogeyman mentality that I do not agree with so we’ll always have some disagreements on certain aspects of politics. Though I agree with you being against socialism and bleeding heart whiners who want free stuff. LOL
There are some times I can’t take you too seriously, man. This “bogeyman mentality”, for instance. Do you have ANY idea how much intel the NSA is collecting on ALL of us? It’s not to stop a school-shooting, as the FBI FAILED to deliver on as much too many times. It’s to KILL political opposition, and it’s un-Constitutional… FUNK the Bush’s and their NWO.
Have you ever heard of George Soros? He’s tied to EVERYTHING that tries influence elections.
If you TRULY think that nothing nefarious is going on, I don’t know what to tell ya. Even the most STAUNCH liberals feel as though something is going on… and look no further than Hillary hoodwinking Bernie in the Dem primaries, for example.
Bro, this country and it’s very culture is being coerced from the outside. It was stated LONG ago that America will implode from the inside out… not from the outside in. We’re following the model of the Roman Empire. This rash of school-shootings in recent years should tell ya enough to know that our society is no longer what it once was.
I turn on the TV to watch something with my little nephew… NOTHING but violence, murder, BS, and negativity. When I was young, I could watch QUALITY TV programming… that no longer exists.
What happened to the likes of “Family Ties”, “The Cosby Show”,
“Different Strokes”, “Good Times”, etc, etc?
YES… the “bogeyman” has seized control… and we’re becoming a VERY cynical society from birth, Brother. And don’t get me started on these VILE video games, such as “Grand Theft Auto”. NOT COOL! And as you well know, what becomes ‘taboo’ becomes ‘cool’ for kids to check out… we’ve been kids and we KNOW!
That’s an interesting take Tim
I will go with 3 for me
I don’t know I think all people have a lot of different influences
I’ve always registered as an independent and I voted for 3rd party candidates in more than 1 occasion
I’m not a huge fan of labels in general
But are you a fan of pork barrel spending?
OK
I said this the other day and I should have adhered to it. I’m done here.
I know too much.
I am just causing this blog to veer away from fun and pleasure by pointing out the grave danger that has befallen our country. The worship of the gun is but one of the tools in the hands of the Dictator.
I wish you all peace insofar as you wish to do and be the best American you can be. I do think you think you are or want to be, but we are either dangerously close to or have already passed the point of losing this country. It very well may be too late. Freedom isn’t freedom if it’s the freedom to kill.
Why don’t you just pull down those obnoxious red lights? Nobody likes them anyway.
At least i have lived a long time in happiness and gotten to watch a lot of Super Bowls before the collapse of America at the hands of our Great Dictator.
Go Dolphins.
Go Dolphins!!!
🐖🐬🐖🐬🐖🐬
Also guns suck😛
Mine don’t. *Kisses biceps*
Lol
I would quote Curly Bill, but it would be gratuitous. The Great Dictator is only in your mind Sweet Pea.
For the record, I don’t think guns are the real problem. If I did, I’d be for getting rid of all of them. I think access to them is a problem. It’s too easy to get them. I don’t think certain kinds are necessary to be owned by the general public.
Things have gotten completely twisted in the good ol USA if you ask me. We have a generation who feel they should be entertained at every moment or they’re bored. They can’t be disciplined without calling it abuse. They all get a trophy no matter if they win or lose because we don’t want to hurt their feelings. They have no experience in dealing with adversity. They have a sense of entitlement rather than a sense of earning something.
The reason I mention this is it seems a lot of these school shootings are carried out by someone, usually another student, who feels like the world has done them wrong in some way and they want to get even. I won’t even call them mentally ill. They are just pissed off is the best way to characterize it. Our politically correct society has created a total mess. I think that’s the difference between us and other countries and we have done this to ourselves. We like to think we’re the greatest country in the world but it’s not looking like it to me lately.
Guns may not be the cause but access to them by people who have no business having them is a problem. Since we can’t seem to figure out how to identify who these pissed off people are, the next best thing is to limit access. Is that fair to everyone? No, probably isn’t. Lots of things aren’t fair. I can live with that if it keeps these things from happening over and over. So far, the status quo isn’t working so something has to change.