First news on the docket is the Miami Dolphins have granted former OC Dowell Loggains permission to seek employment elsewhere. Loggains has all but been named Adam Gase’s OC for the NY Jets. You know it makes me angry typing Gase’s name? I hope he does miserably for the Jets. The biggest news though is the Miami Dolphins have sent Dan Marino to scout the QB’s at the Senior Bowl.
The Dolphins are in obvious need of a QB, especially once they either trade or cut Ryan Tannehill, which would leave Luke Falk and newly acquired Jake Rudock as the only QB’s on the roster. That doesn’t mean we will be drafting a QB in the 1st RD, but it is a legitimate possibility. The North roster has 2 possible 1st RD picks in Drew Lock and Daniel Jones, as well as later picks Ryan Finley and Trace McSorley. The South roster has Will Grier, Gardner Minshew, Jarret Stidham and Tyree Jackson. If you like big QB’s, Tyree Jackson is 6’7 245. Marino should be watching all these QB’s closely, we simply need to add QB talent no matter what.
We all know a lot of the top talent in this draft lies in the defensive line, the defensive ends and tackles. The majority of talent in this draft are Juniors or lower, but there are a handful of talented Seniors as well. At DE there’s Montez Sweat, Zach Allen, Jaylon Ferguson, Carl Granderson and Charles Omenihu, and DT Isaiah Buggs.
Unfortunately, one of our resident scouts here “D” will not be attending the Senior Bowl as he has the last few years, but I will be watching practices and whatever else I can, and I’m sure a few people here will be watching as well, so any info or observations you have, let us know.
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Tim Knight says:
January 24, 2019 at 9:08 pm
I know people say well they’ve never been HC or OC or DC running a team or calling plays etc., but is that really such a foreign thing? They all know how schemes work. It’s not like they just hatched. LOL…
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I agree in principle with what you’re sayin’, but the ‘head cheese’ had better be able to lead the players and the team as a whole. There is a huge difference between ‘X & O guys’ (coordinators and scheme masters), and a true leader.
I just hope we haven’t landed the next Cam Cameron or Adam Gase… but then again, I have no reason to believe so, either.
We’ll see. It’s going to be a different approach.
Indeed! We shall see, and I know that we’re ALL hoping for the very best. It’s time for the sun to shine on us after all these abysmal years.
D-Line, O-Line, and QB… in no particular order this year.
That’s how I see it too. If another position falls take them, but between both FA and the draft this team is going to morph quickly under this new regime. It could be half a roster from 2018 – 19.
My hunch is Grier wants to be more physical and Flores wants to bring discipline. The two are good to me. Speed is always a want but physical and discipline is always paramount.
Go Phins!!!
I’m a day late in posting this after seeing it yesterday…
I always liked Earl. Might be too old for us now though.
Had to take a trip to Ohio. What was supposed to be an 8 hr drive turned into 2 blown tires(different times) a tow truck (because who has 2 spares) and 12.5 hrs. At least the weather was nice! Ugh!
I think we’re looking at a solid 3 yr rebuild here. I think we’re going to need to have patience with this one but, in the end, I think we’re going to be better off as a team. I don’t see any kind of big FA signings like, for instance, Bell says he wants to play in Miami.
I can’t see them going after someone like Bell and paying him the money he wants, especially because Tannenbaum is no longer with the team.
Get that blue chipper in the first rd this year and next, get another solid player in the 2nd rd of each draft in ’19 and ’20 and pick up at least one quarterback this year. I’d like to see them trade Tannehill and Jones and if they can get at least a 3rd for each use both of those picks on qb’s because they’re extra picks. But, that’s JMO.
Anyway, I’m chomping at the bit to see what’s going to happen when we finally have the staff in place and hit FA but especially when we hit the draft. Going to be really interesting to see who gets chopped at the beginning of the league year.
Well……..we shipped our FO to the NY jets and stole our new FO from the Pats,
looks like Flores and O’shea are the next in line.
seems like a good move, O’shea was suppose to be the Pats OC this year until Mcdaniels declined the colts job
Just say no to Le’Veon Bell! Rumors are just rumors, but it is crazy to hear that Miami is his preferred landing spot. (for all the wrong reasons. I.e. he wants to get his rap career going and enjoys the South Beach life style) PASS PLEASE!!
Fucker passed up on 14 million because he wanted 17 million. He is not a team guy at all and fuck paying a RB that kind of stupid money.
There’s no shot he ends up here
He is familiar with Josh Dobbs, just sayin’
What about Bob Dobbs?
Walker?
Walker’s avi is Bob Dobbs
But while you’re at it, what about Walker? Anyone here speak to him?
Sonny – Josh Dobbs ain’t going anywhere, you never know when Ben says he’s had enough. Brissett isn’t either because he’s a solid backup to Luck
I want both – NOW
As Knish said in Rounders . . . “I need a blowjob from Christy Turlington, get the fuck outta here”
Our new coaching staff knows Brissett.
Tannehill and a 5th for Brissett 💥
Bell said he’d like to come to Miami and that’s the only rumor. Not happening! It will be interesting to see what his market is though. Not sure he’s going to get what he’s looking for.
Think he killed his market value bad….. well him and James Conner.
Agreed. He’ll be 27 next month so I can’t see him getting a contract for more than 3-4 years. I think he’s going to get less than what he was offered by the Steelers. We shall see.
One interesting part that came out of Roger Stone getting arrested in Lauderdale is that Ocho Cinco is one of his neighbors…. guess he hasn’t burned through all his money as of yet.
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Chad Johnson@ochocinco
FBI arrested my neighbor Roger before my morning jog, I’ve only seen shit like that in movies, crazy to start to my Friday
5:31 AM – 25 Jan 2019
Yeah Mike E
That pic will forever be Walker to me. Like M is Bess, D is stormtrooper, etc etc…..
Or a guy riding an elephant. LOL
Ryan Tannehill career passer rating: 87
Jacoby Brissett career passing rating: 81.6
I mean WTF!
I like that Brisset sounds like BBQ but that’s where it ends
Do you want to trade for a guy that’s you will just be underwhelmed with within a year?
Brisket sucks.
Let’s save our draft picks for building this team
LOL! I don’t get it either, but he’s consistent, so I give him that
First of all brisket doesn’t suck and you should love it, it’s beef.
Second, Tannehill sucks out loud. Brissett went to Indy right before the season started and did pretty well learning a new offense on the fly. We’ll be running the same offense he was drafted into in NE. Good bridge guy who’s young.
But you have to trade for him and then he’ll be a UFA in 2020.
Do we have to be so eager to part ways with tannehill that we accept being slapped in the face by trading picks for underwhelming veterans?
ER – No doubt man, Walker IS Bob Dobbs. I expected him to look like that. lol
Well there you have it. SMH
Piggy, I hope we get somewhere from a 3rd to a 5th for Tannehill. If we get a couple or 3 teams interested, it will be good for us. If not, we’re not getting a good return.
I think he’s worth more than that
the problem is the cap hit
if we take a big cap hit, it really doesn’t make sense to let him go for less value than he is worth
Sure it does. We’re moving on from him no matter what. Take what you get, and move on. I don’t see any scenario where Tannehill is our QB, or even still on the roster after the draft
We’re either paying him $26M or taking on dead cap of $13M. There’s no way around it.
The problem is there aren’t many landing spots for him being that a lot of teams just drafted young QBs and other teams have established QBs. Washington seems like the best spot.
See below, i think Jax too, but Washington is a possibility.
Piggy, I agree trading for a stopgap QB doesn’t make much sense. Just start Jake Rudock who was drafted in 2016 then.
Maybe it’s just us lazy guys that never change their avi
I must have endless energy then
Mike E. says:
January 25, 2019 at 1:36 pm
Piggy, I hope we get somewhere from a 3rd to a 5th for Tannehill. If we get a couple or 3 teams interested, it will be good for us. If not, we’re not getting a good return.
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I can see that happening, well maybe a 5th, and only because the one year rental with only half the cost going to the receiving team. He isnt going to be someone idea of their franchise guy. He might be a guy they put in competition to se if he can be, but i dont see any offers much above a 5th for a guy who most are going to be leaning towards a backup most likely.
Jax would be a good destination for him, stays in the state, will be in competition for the starting spot while they groom a QB. I could see that happening. I can see getting more than a 5th for him though.
Maybe JAX but that is also rumored to be the landing spot for Foles. The problem JAX has is Bortles is on the books for $16.5M in dead cap and trading for Tannehill comes with a contract too. They need to work a lot of stuff out. Washington does too with Alex Smith on the books for a lot of money but insurance might come into to play there.
I thought Bortles was on his 5th year this coming year? they can rescind that.
Tim if we did a post June 1 move we could save more, BUT we wouldnt get the cap relief until after FA, and we wouldnt really save anything more, we would just push some of the cap hit to 2020.
I really hate the post june 1st designation, i never have seen where its a really good benefit to doing it. we were dumb to 1) not even try to trade Suh and 2) to do his cut as post june 1st, because we didnt really need that extra space after june 1st last year and we really could have used that shit done with and not carrying it over until this year.
Im sure there are scenarios where its beneficial or it wouldnt be an option, but i really think us using it was really dumb
I have a feeling we might just release Tannehill get $13M in cap and move on. Then he can look for a team on his own.
Tim Knight says:
January 25, 2019 at 1:39 pm
Piggy, I agree trading for a stopgap QB doesn’t make much sense. Just start Jake Rudock who was drafted in 2016 then.
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Thats what i was thinking too. Why would we trade for one? There are plenty of them available in FA and they wont be that expensive. We could easily pick one up for less than what we are saving by cutting Tanny.
But if you had a guy like Rosen for example that might have a little more potential, some upside to possibly be the franchie guy, i could see making a trade if the price was right. If Arizona dangled Rosen out there for a 2nd or 3rd, i might would bite. Id probably still add another guy for competition and ride with Rose as the assumed starter, maybe Grier with a trade back in the first to recomp some picks, and Falk. Id hold on to all three for 2019 and keep the best two for 2020, trading the third if they had value.
Next year would be a perfect year to have an open QB competition all year long since we are in rebuild mode. Upside would also be if all of them kind look like a whiff, we would be in position to just draft a QB again and take another shot, dropping the weakest link and keeping three in 2020.
I agree
screw it – let some young QBs fight it out
and run the ball a lot
D, JAX gave Bortles an extension.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/blake-bortles-14412/
If they cut him, they would recomp 4.5, which would make taking on Tanny’s contract only leave them 8.5 in the hole. I think Washington’s situation with Smith is much worse, unless of course they can get an injury settlement.
Either way i tend to agree with what ya said earlier. I think they cut him instead of trade him.
LOL @ “I like that Brisset sounds like BBQ…”
New Avatar
Just bc ER thinks it so unusual to change them…lol
Greg Cote wrote an article about how the interest in Bell should be mutual. What an ass hat he is.
You always start a rebuild with an expensive RB. Not!
Asshat sized XXXL
Let’s trade for Antonio Brown too. Yeah that’s the ticket!
Rock – Finished the book. Totally dig it. Looking forward to the next one. Hopefully he’s not like George RR
Here’s a list of FA QBs.
Teddy Bridgewater (26)
Tyrod Taylor (29)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (36)
Brock Osweiler (28)
Robert Griffin III (29)
Trevor Siemian (27)
Brett Hundley (25)
Josh McCown (39)
Geno Smith (28)
Josh Johnson (32)
Ryan Griffin (29)
Tom Savage (28)
Austin Davis (29)
Joe Webb (32)
Derek Anderson (35) – Re-signed 1-year deal with BUF
David Fales (28)
Brandon Weeden (35)
Sean Mannion (26)
Matt Schaub (37)
Matt Cassel (36)
Mark Sanchez (32)
Wow, Brandon Weeden is 35. He was 28 when he was drafted, thought it was crazy to draft him
If don’t stick with Tanny, maybe we give RGIII or Tyrod Taylor a spin.
We don’t need a FA QB. What is the logic in that?
Unless we keep Tanny seems we need someone rather than throw a rook to the wolves if we take one.
Stopgap. Nobody is saying we have to have one but it’s pretty common to have that vet stopgap bridge if you don’t feel the young QBs are ready. But we don’t know who they will be at this time. There is no guarantee Falk or Rudok will make the team.
to quell the mutiny?
meaning, if we go with Rudock and Falk and say a Stidham-level draftee, and they all suck, and it looks like our FO just doesn’t care, then will the young nucleus we have develop a no-care attitude to match the FO’s?
That’s dangerous, because habits of not caring are hard to break, and we can’t afford to annihilate the enthusiasm of our young core.
That would just make the rebuild even longer or more impossible.
If we want to try to gather high picks and build up draft capital, We want to have a bad record. Why not go with a young guy who will make that more likely? Its one of the ways you “tank” without really tanking. We have QBs on the roster we can play. There’s no need to bring in another. Anybody on the roster can be a stopgap QB.
No. Buffalo tried that with Peterman.
What if they had not had Allen?
Their young core would’ve revolted at the QB embarrassing the team week after week.
Right, but it’s not fair to the rest of the team if the QBs we have aren’t worthy. That’s important too. You don’t just throw guys out there who aren’t even serviceable. We don’t know whether they are or not. Hopefully they are.
People can get discouraged if they feel things are hopeless.
Who wants to go out and risk terrible injury when there is no chance of a favorable outcome,
no matter how well you yourself play your position,
because the most important position is manned by a hopeless catastrophe?
“You play to win the game”, said in my best Herm Edwards voice
Didn’t Herm Edwards lose a large amount of games and get run out of the league?
On the other hand, I agree with Randy that Falk and Rudock can play and have shown they deserve a shot at being an NFL starter.
And i agree with Randy that many on that list of FA QBs is uninspiring, and the best of them are not ever going to be our franchise guy, so why waste the money?
None of the FA QBs are going to cost anything that effects our cap short-term or long-term. We have no idea what the new regime thinks of Falk or Rudok.
They’re going to make the decisions about the QBs and every other position anyway so us racking our brains about how to go about it is a waste of time. We’re just talking options and possibilities early in the game.
naples,
Nah, I don’t buy that stuff. If the guy you throw out there sucks ass, throw in another guy. There’s also no guarantee any vet QB you bring in won’t suck too. Then, you’re in the same position. And, if you believe in that, why wouldn’t players become uninspired by bringing in a vet QB everybody knows is a stopgap guy who really isn’t expected to win much? Finally, if they really think the QBs we have on the roster already are that bad, why are they here? Lol
If the guy you throw out there sucks ass, throw in another guy.
(See Cam Cameron that’s why.)
There’s also no guarantee any vet QB you bring in won’t suck too.
(Yes there is. We know Tyrod, Teddy, and RG3 don’t suck.)
why wouldn’t players become uninspired by bringing in a vet QB everybody knows is a stopgap guy who really isn’t expected to win much?
(The difference between a 2-14 disaster and a 8-8 near miss of the playoffs is obvious.)
Finally, if they really think the QBs we have on the roster already are that bad, why are they here?
(The previous HC got Falk because he thought of himself as a QB guru who could coach up a weak arm into a dink and dunk game manager.
We got Rudock off his sofa as a camp arm to split reps to give our DBs and WRs plenty of balls.)
Here’s a list of FA QBs.
that I would consider:
Teddy Bridgewater (26)
Tyrod Taylor (29)
RG3 (29)
Because they seem like good guys that i could root for.
They threaten an opposing defense.
They have won a lot of games in the NFL.
They are veterans who would not need to be taught how to be a pro.
They have an intriguing or at least entertaining skillset.
They would not break the bank to rent for a year or two.
They are not unknown quantities who might be a Nathan Peterman waiting to happen.
In 2 years, they could be a good mentor for the Real Deal.
There’s no reason to waste money on a QB that probably won’t be much better than Tanny. Hell, Tanny’s market is Washington or Jax so the market isn’t exactly a seller’s market. If our version of Peterman sucks and guys don’t want to risk injury? It means we guarantee a high pick next year. If we have the right coaching staff, these guys will learn what it takes to win. We have to keep building up our talent base which Gase did everything possible to destroy. Lots of work to do the next few years but rebounds can be quick.
If you don’t have a QB who can at least be serviceable running the offense how do you develop your OL, TEs, WRs and RBs? Naples example with Nathan Peterson is a good one. That doesn’t help anything other than being so bad you can’t evaluate anyone else. For a high draft pick that is also not a guarantee. I sure hope that’s not how we go about it.
What would be wasting money? What’s your figure?
More than 5-7 mill a year seems wasteful to me.
What if it’s for 2 years as we search for our QB? That’s chump change for a QB and will have no lasting effect on our cap. But what if the QB we sign plays really well, then we already found him. This idea that you shit on the rest of the team because you’ll be in position to draft the Golden One in a year or two is a pretty dangerous. If that guy doesn’t pan out, then what? It was all for naught and we’re still not winning.
Yeah, I’m fine with 2 years. We don’t have to go all in like Indy but if we get a guy for 2 years $12 mill and still lose a lot I won’t be heartbroken. Build from the base.
Well if it were up to me, I’d roll with Tannehill, but the fan base would set the stadium on fire if we did that.
It’s not a waste of money to hire a man to do a job, if he can do the job.
We know Tyrod can play QB. He beat us like a drum. Him throwing to our speed guys and handing off to our talent at RB would make his scrambling skills a nightmare for defenses.
Ditto for RG3 and Teddy B, if their injury recoveries are tolerable.
I’d buy tix to go see that, while we secretly rebuild every other position and wait for our franchise QB to graduate.
That would be more fun than watching Falk and Rudock embarrass us on national television for 4 months straight.
I’m not saying it’s a terrible idea to go sign a vet QB. It’s certainly a viable option. I just don’t think it’s a must do, by any means. Just spitballing.
totally agree
What the new guys do will be interesting to watch.
naples,
I don’t want 8-8. It’s just as bad as 2-14 to me. I want the number 1 draft pick if I can get it. I want the best QB I can get because that’s the best chance you got in this league to win championships. No, it’s certainly not a given, but I think it improves your chances. If we are truly trying to rebuild, then you may as well do it all the way. Going 8-8 forever isn’t success to me.
8-8 is 6 games better than 2-14.
8-8 done right (not the Adam Gase way) means you are on the threshold of the playoffs.
8-8 means you beat a couple playoff teams, you might’ve split with the pasties*, you might’ve swept the jills or jests, and you might’ve won the Fest game.
All of those are a source of pleasure for me.
2-14 means even the two wins are no fun, because you can’t go brag at work, and even if one is against bellicheat, everyone will say it’s just a fluke and you can’t deny it.
To me, bringing in a new coach and giving him a completely hopeless QB room means you can’t eval the new HC (and develop Gesicki etc as Tim says above).
It means the new HC can’t do a valid install of his offense, because he has to limit the playbook to keep from losing 50-0 every week.
Again, remember Cam Cameron, Hue Jackson, and the guy at Arizona this year.
No HC wants to be a one and done because the FO sabotaged him at QB.
naplesfan2010 says:
January 25, 2019 at 6:55 pm
If the guy you throw out there sucks ass, throw in another guy.
(See Cam Cameron that’s why.)
There’s also no guarantee any vet QB you bring in won’t suck too.
(Yes there is. We know Tyrod, Teddy, and RG3 don’t suck.)
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Yes they do! 😉
But if you don’t want a rook play Tanny till his contract is out!
Tell him to do whatever it takes to win! change plays! 50 yard bombs every play! Wildcat!
whatever it takes!!!!!
Let the chips fall where they will!
So guys, i do understand what you mean by Suck for Luck works and is a good way to get a franchise QB, but how many Super Bowls has Luck actually won?
It is important to get that guy at QB, but there are other factors.
Team chemistry is actually a huge factor, along with a reliable running game, a stout PHYSICAL defense, and a coach who knows how to exploit the other team’s weaknesses.
I say let’s go get all of those, but there’s no reason to be masochistic in the process.
As far as manipulating your won-loss record into a high draft pick,
I’d rather trade FUTURE number ones for that can’t miss guy.
Then when you get him and rise up the rankings, those #1s you traded are worth less than the #1 pick you would’ve tortured a whole city to suck for.
If we are really going to do the suck for luck thing we should just do it right and trade everybody worth anything who wasn’t drafted in the last two years for future draft picks and trade the ones in the draft for ones in the future. Not thinking we do that, but then not sure Tanny won’t be our QB next year either.
We’ve gone 6-10 and 7-9 with teams who were trying to contend. If we unload highly paid vets who won’t be part of the future as we go younger with some young FAs who aren’t high priced guys but can be part of the future, what makes anyone think we’re going to win too many games?
Build a good core team in all phases as you search for “the guy” at QB. Then when you land him you’re not in need of building around him because it’s already in place. Who knows a guy like Bridgewater might be the guy if we have other parts in place. Look at Nick Foles, he wasn’t a top draft pick. Neither was Brees or Brady for that matter. Sometimes a really good balanced team can win with a solid QB, not the top blue chip prospect.
I want to see the new regime build the trenches from the get go. We’ve got some skill guys on both sides of the ball, but we need to be better up front on both sides of the ball. Year one of a rebuild is the time to get the trenches headed in the right direction. If we do that the first two years, who knows we could be the team that goes all out for the QB in 2021.
Naples,
We don’t have to suck for Luck but this is a building year. Time to get those physical OL and DL we will need to become a regular playoff contender. I don’t care who we get for QB, but I’d like to see the OL and DL finished by 2020. As we’ve seen with Dallas, the Rams, Chicago, Baltimore, Houston, and Carolina and Jax in previous years, a team can get in the playoffs with just average and even inconsistent QB play. If we build from the ground up for the first time in decades, we have a great chance to be like KC, Pittsburgh, etc.
^
I’m not even thinking about tanking the season!
Just play the best guys on your roster and let the chips fall!
If your QB can’t throw 25 yards run the fricken ball!
Sure we’ll have a crap load of three and outs!
but that’s life in the present!!!!!!!!!!!!
New Age says:
January 25, 2019 at 8:12 pm
Yeah, I’m fine with 2 years. We don’t have to go all in like Indy but if we get a guy for 2 years $12 mill and still lose a lot I won’t be heartbroken. Build from the base.
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That’s what I’m saying. Just thinking out loud I think Bridgewater for exactly what you said, Falk, Rudok and a rookie wherever we took him is a good way to start. All of them are trying to prove themselves. The new OC is going to want to be able to execute our offense at least respectable as opposed to a train wreck.
Being really bad isn’t a good building block to me. That has 4-5 years or more written all over it. New coaches don’t get that long being bad.
I think most here agree building the trenches is the way to start this thing.
In the big scheme of things, on the OL Tunsil is the only lock. On defense Godchaux, Taylor and Harris (OLB). We could keep a guy like Spence around or Davis at guard etc., but we need a lot of work on both sides which is also effected by cap $ that we don’t want to pay vets, or stick with some guys like James for $10M per. So we’re going to create voids there. This draft is deep in DL and Edge, also some good OL maybe into the 3rd. But it doesn’t seem to be very deep. Gotta get one early.
I think FA scares people because they just think big cap numbers and overpaying. You don’t have to go about FA that way. We might sign 8-10 mid-tier FAs who are all under 28. They’re not great players but solid pros. They help a new HC get his program running.
naplesfan2010 says:
January 25, 2019 at 7:24 pm
So guys, i do understand what you mean by Suck for Luck works and is a good way to get a franchise QB, but how many Super Bowls has Luck actually won?…
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Naples,
I think that’s very shortsighted of you. Look, Andrew Luck was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame back in 2012; he got in faster than Brett Favre (2016), for crying out loud. What exactly are you talking about?
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And yes, I’m joking around… I 100% agree with ya, man. I feel that Luck still has much to prove, his stats aren’t so different from Tannehill’s, and he hasn’t won anything.
I don’t support ‘sucking’ for anybody.
Nice to see M back! LOL
LOL! I saw your post earlier today and thought I’d bring Davone back!
Cheers!!! 😀
🙂
Piggi
Now I have to read the names, which is much harder than just looking at the pic. Thanks!
Easier to see a Bucket, Bradys hurt vagina, and a monkey to know who they are!
LOL
If you’re GM, who are you looking to trade or release because they won’t be a part of winning anything big for at least two years? Not counting Tannehill. He gets special discussion. LOL
Off the top of my head even though some come with dead cap numbers, the savings is more. But some have no cap hits and I think they’re no-brainers. Not all of these players, but I do think they’re all on the table.
Wake, Quinn, Branch, Alonso, Jones, McDonald, Sitton, Kilgore, Larsen, Stills, Amendola
Some of these guys will have big dead cap numbers this year. But will clear in 2020. We’ll still get cap relief for this year and not being big players in FA it’s not that important. We’re going to be younger than we have been since when Jimmy Johnson took over. That was really the only start over rebuild we’ve gone through. The Parcells era was a mix of vets and young players.
I have no idea what is going to happen. Pretty darn sure younger we will be, but exactly how much not sure. Went away for vacay thinking Tanny was going next year and we’d have those injured guys back and be beefing up out lines and maybe grab a CB in the draft or FA.
Question: what does clearing SO much cap space accomplish? Say we get to $60M under the cap entering the ’19 season with our final-53… it’s not as though we get an additional 1st round pick for being so far under the cap.
The best idea is to have a mix of vets and young players, just as Parcells had originally done for us in ’08.
I think you misread a lot of what I said. When did I say “clearing SO much cap space”?
Good question.
Does nothing for me because it’s not my money. Just use to sign our own and keep rolling until the team is that close, that a couple Nice FA signings puts them over the top I guess.
So basically at QB we are looking for…..
Tim,
That’s my thoughts as well. I like the way Reid has built the Chiefs. I was hoping Gase was building us to be more like them but he just didn’t for whatever reason. Andy went to KC, got a bridge QB who was still very solid and built them very quickly into a great team. Unilke Gase, he sees the value in a running game and his offenses are always good. It definitely doesn’t have to be a road from the very bottom and almost always isn’t.
My favorite move this year has already happened. Getting that Bills draft expert was awesome. I really like the emphasis on drafting a building a team that is being pushed so far. We’ll see how it goes but he’s already started strong.
It’s a true “blow up” in structure. New personnel titles and people, and a new coaching staff. It’s also going to be a part of history in a civil rights type of way. You can’t ignore it, and we shouldn’t. It’s a good thing. Not just to force it, but because it’s working out that way. The coaching trees have expanded.
Tim Knight says:
January 25, 2019 at 9:19 pm
I think you misread a lot of what I said. When did I say “clearing SO much cap space”?
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You didn’t say as much, but I’m saying as much what with the names you mentioned. I mean, I would NEVER even consider cutting or trading some of the names you mentioned… Reshad being one of them.
I’m not taking umbrage to your convo, I’m just sayin’.
Wake, Quinn, Branch, Alonso, Jones, McDonald, Sitton, Kilgore, Larsen, Stills, Amendola
Wake will restructure in a heartbeat (make him a pass-rush specialist), Quinn needs to be cut, Branch should be approached with a restructure, Kiko is a KEY cog on our Defense, Reshad is the best Defensive player we’ve got, McDonald is a STUD, Sitton and Kilgore are still unknown commodities (for better or worse), Larsen is weak, Still is a STUD, and Amendola’s arrow is going southward.
All JMO.
That’s what I was asking for. LOL
If you’re going to do a JJ type rebuild they’re all on the table. But I asked who would you consider? Not a rebuttal about my list. LOL
I suppose what I’m trying to say is that our roster is NICE! I feel like scheme/technique and coaching — in particular — let us down. I’m not sure we need to burn the entire roster to the ground.
What’s NOT nice about our roster? The likes of Robert Quinn’s salary vs his production, a QB in Tannehill who is who he is, and not enough QUALITY depth on our O-Line. And yes… our D-Line needs to be revamped.
Tim Knight says:
January 25, 2019 at 9:41 pm
That’s what I was asking for. LOL
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I know… I should have prefaced my comments with this. My bad. 🙂
Outside the box thinking…
If we sign Teddy Bridgewater and assign him #12, we’ll have our own TB12.
Sorry, it’s a slow sports news day. 🙂
M13, I have a feeling we’re going to see the normal “figured that would happen”, and then whoa… wow… “we did trade or release him.”
I think Grier was one who lead the charge that we were not building the team the proper way, and that resonated throughout the org, and others in the building including a certain someone we all love agreed with that. That’s why Chris Grier is the head honcho! LOL
Agree. Think that certain someone realized the only one making sense. I’m excited and of course hope Grier knocks this thing out of the park.
No draft or FA frenzy can replace all these guys without spending even more money than they consume:
Wake, Quinn, Branch, Alonso, Jones, McDonald, Sitton, Kilgore, Larsen, Stills, Amendola
Branch gets paid too much but he’s a DE, which is a high ticket position.
We just got Sitton and Kilgore! Let’s enjoy them at least for one season!
If we lose Alonso, Jones, McD, we have destroyed the heart of our defense. For what?
We are not in cap hell. We do not need money to accomplish our objectives.
Stills and Amendola were our top 2 WRs. They are already playing for cheap. And they are solid pros in the locker room.
Larsen can be replaced with a rookie 4th rounder.
Wake can never be replaced. He should get a raise, not cut.
I’m sure you were just having fun knowing of course that the 12 along with the 13 and 39 are retired numbers. 99 next? Possibly…
mf13ss says:
January 25, 2019 at 9:10 pm
Question: what does clearing SO much cap space accomplish? Say we get to $60M under the cap entering the ’19 season with our final-53… it’s not as though we get an additional 1st round pick for being so far under the cap.
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well actually you can get picks for being under the cap, Cleve did it with Osweiler and the Texans taking on his contract for a 2nd rnd pick.
I think you build thru the draft and when you get to a point where you have a lot of holes filled with younger players then you carefully select your FA’s, and having cap space will allow you to do that.
Naples – Heart of the 29th ranked defense? Oh please no!
well it was not those three that let in all those points
I didn’t know our defense had any heart . . .
“I didn’t know our defensive coordinator had any heart …”
There. I fixed it for you.
4,361 yards passing
42 td passes
7 int
1,000 yards ran
12 td’s on the ground
Yup 54 touchdowns
Not saying he’s the one but,,,,,,
Sure not going to be shocked if he’s there at 13
Hey worst case he sucks and we lose a lot of games lol
Never underestimate Miami’s love for a splash
Even in a down year
I’m liking the idea of a quarterback like Brissett being brought in as a starter possibility. It’s something that would be a better solution to the qb situation than drafting one in the first this year just to take one in the first again.
Gives us the ability to go after that blue chip defender without using the pick on a qb and gives us a guy with starter experience who could potentially blossom into a starter. And, we can still go out and get another one maybe in the 3rd rd or 4th rd of this year that we like to either develop behind him as a quality backup or maybe into a starter if Brissett doesn’t work out.
However, what you see of him since he’s come into the league is pretty impressive. It seems like his arm actually got stronger and he’s very poised in the pocket.
So, I’m all for going after him in a trade if we can get it done. That would be awesome IMO.
So Indy traded Dorsett to NE for Brissett. Dorsett was a former 1st rd pick who really didn’t develop into the player Indy wanted and hasn’t done a whole heck of a lot in NE. However, Brissett is a guy who’s worth more now because of his starting experience and has developed some over the time he’s been in the league.
What’s the asking price for Indy to ship him to us? I’m really liking the idea and I don’t look at him as necessarily a bridge to another young qb. IMO he’s good enough to get the job done if we build the team right.
Mike E. says:
January 26, 2019 at 8:12 am
Naples – Heart of the 29th ranked defense? Oh please no!
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a horrible offense leads to a bad defense, run the ball manage and control the game, your defense wont be out there that much and when they are moral will be at its best.
it all starts with running the ball effectively, that has a trickle down affect
best FA option at QB would be either Nick Foles or Derek Carr, both would be win now situations with long term deals. the raiders would want a lot for Carr.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13: Oliver, Ed, DT, Houston (A)
Round 2 Pick 16: Grier, Will, QB, West Virginia (B+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Benzschawel, Beau, OG, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Jelks, Jalen, DE, Oregon (A+)
Round 5 Pick 13: Bradbury, Garrett, C, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 15: Smith , Saivion, CB, Alabama (A+)
Round 7 Pick 17: Boykin, Miles, WR, Notre Dame (A+)
I like that draft
That’s a very fine set BBM
the raiders would save 15 mil on their cap by trading Carr, they are sure to either resign him or look for draft picks for him. he would have 7.5 in dead money. so i’m sure they wont carry on status quo.
Rob – Our defense sucked form the beginning of the game till the end. Sure, if we held the ball more, that helps the defense, but it’s not like they just wore down. Teams ran all over us from the beginning of the game, no offense makes that better.
Naples – My plan wasn’t to haphazardly cut every player to free up cap space. I want to turn our older players into younger players. I want to trade Tannehill, Reshad Jones and maybe recoup a 4th or 5th for Tanny, and a 3rd RD pick for Jones. Sure, one of the by products of trading those players is that it will eventually free up cap space. I would cut Andre Branch because he’s not making our team better. Charles Harris should be further along at this point, let him play, let him start.
There will be three free agent QB to push rookies down in the draft. Flacco and Foles for sure, maybe Carr (but I doubt it).
Mike E,
I like that idea as well. I’d look to trade who I could and cut most of the rest unless their salary was prohibitive. We don’t even know what we have in Harris and he’s a first round pick. This draft is full of good fatties and we need to get a bunch of them.
Yeah, it’s not so we can go on a free agent spending spree, we just need to cut the chaff, trade the older players that bring us back valuable draft capital, and then make some smart FA signings, maybe a good young OL if we can’t address that in the draft, although I hope we get 2 OL in this draft. Sitton isn’t a long term answer, and either is Kilgore, and Davis isn’t a starter, so we really need 2 OL at a minimum.
Pro Lou,
I always like your ideas and hate your QBs. No offense intended but you love some terrible QBs. Brissett has never looked like he’s anything more than a backup. That’s why he was traded before Garapollo and wasn’t ever the heir apparent. He’s a decent backup but Indy looked like trash when he ran their offense. Sure, the team wasn’t very good but the only reason I’d want him here is to ensure a very, very high set of draft picks. Benkert sucks too. I’m not saying I don;t have a sweet spot for lovable losers either since I’m a big Minshew fan but at least I know he’s a late round/undrafted extra body instead of thinking he could lead my franchise for a while. As I said, no offense intended but I always laugh when you mention those guys and NFL starter in the same sentence. 🙂
hey, don’t I get to pull shit out of my ass like other people do? lol
Lol, just messing with you. I agree with the ideas, we just like different QBs.
13: R1P13
DL ED OLIVER
HOUSTON
48: R2P16
EDGE CHASE WINOVICH
MICHIGAN
78: R3P14
QB DANIEL JONES
DUKE
116: R4P14
G ROSS PIERSCHBACHER
ALABAMA
152: R5P13
WR ANTHONY JOHNSON
BUFFALO
190: R6P15
C KEEGAN RENDER
IOWA
231: R7P15
G DRU SAMIA
OKLAHOMA
QB is the hardest position to get right, by far. Spending multiple draft picks on the position isn’t a terrible idea. I would prefer not to, but it’s just so damn hard to get the right one. You can get quality DL/OL in every draft if that’s the way you choose to go. I am also not a fan of trying to find a franchise QB outside of the first round. Sure, it happens…but very rarely. I always lean towards BPA in the first, but I’d have no problem with them going after a QB they truly want. Plus, if you don’t take onethis year, then you pretty much have to be t year….and who’s to say he ends up being the right guy? If he’s not, you’re still trying to find the right QB 3 years from now.
I agree that it’s the hardest position to get right but I also think there’s plenty of information out there that shows that taking a qb in the first doesn’t guarantee success.
As I’ve said plenty of times, when a guy is taken in the first they throw all the resources at him to develop him because, well, he’s supposed to be the future of the franchise but if they take a guy in the 3rd they’re not as likely to do so and a lot of people would probably give them hell for doing so.
So, IMO, when a guy is taken after the 1st he’s not as likely to succeed because he’s not getting the time with the coaches and with the 1st team offense that the “anointed” one is going to get so it’s going to be a lot more difficult for him to succeed.
So you can look at guys who were taken, say, in the 3rd or 4th rds who could have been good players for their teams but with so much pressure on coaches and GM’s to deliver winners as quickly as possible and if they don’t get it right they’re sent packing they are going to go with the 1st rd talent. This way if they play him and don’t succeed at least they still played the guy from the 1st rd.
I don’t know if that makes sense but I’d just love for this team to take at least one guy after the first this year whether it be Ta’amu, Blough, Stidham or whomever that they have some conviction in and say “this is our guy”. This is what you’ve got to work with at qb right now. And the reason why I say that is because, if you look at what else is available that “experts” have going in the first rd they really don’t look like they’re all that much better a prospect or that they ARE a better prospect.
Lou,
I like that idea as well. Dallas, Seattle, Denver, and NE have shown that later picked QBs can have success. The Rams, Baltimore, Chicago, and Jax show that teams can succeed even with uneven QB play. If we really like a later pick this year, it would be the perfect time to see how well they adjust. It’s also a perfect time to build the protection all QBs need.
If we’re looking to go young and not sign older FAs, with the idea of building the team the right way, why would keep older players we’re paying quite a bit that are approaching 30 or in their 30’s? If we’re keeping all out vets, why is anyone talking about this tanking thing and starting young QBs or a cheap stopgap?
With a new coaching staff coming in knowing that we’re rebuilding, they’re gonna want to bring in players they like and not keep around high priced vets. Now maybe they will want to keep a few, but there is going to be a purge to get this thing started for the next few years.
With you on we should be consistent on whatever route we go. Seems all starts with the Q of how big of a rebuild is this? And when you answer that you set a goal of a window for when you plan to be a contender. Why keep anyone you think won’t be in it?
Right, also need to know who are system fits and who are not.
lou,
It’s not about guarantees because there are none. Your odds go up significantly if you draft a QB in the first round, so you play the odds. Its why there is a premium on QBs in the NFL. They can make a much bigger impact on your team than any other position because of how the league has set their rules to favor and protect them. This crap about: “You can win with an average QB.” is the exception…not the rule.
But build the team throughout so you can compete until you find your QB that can really put you over the top.
pheloniusphish says:
January 26, 2019 at 10:58 am
There will be three free agent QB to push rookies down in the draft. Flacco and Foles for sure, maybe Carr (but I doubt it).
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I didn’t include Flacco as i think he’s too fragile at age 34 dealing with a hip injury, not a good option IMO
I’m fine with not drafting a 1st RD QB, but if we draft a QB in the 2nd or beyond, give the kid a shot, don’t bring in Fitzpatrick and start him over the kid if the shows any signs that he could play. That’s what will frustrate the shit out of me. Does anyone here want to watch Fitzpatrick get us 6 wins? I know I don’t, so if you take a QB, put him in the mix to start.
I don’t want a QB in his 30’s. That’s why I’ve been mentioning Bridgewater, he’s still young at 26 with experience and a chance for upside. If he never reaches a top level after a couple of seasons, hopefully one of the QBs we drafted can.
bridge water is not good
He’s not bad either and likely better than anyone we’ll have on our roster this year. It’s about having someone competent to run your offense as you develop your team. If you have overmatched QBs you’re not going to be able to develop and evaluate your offense very much.
Tim,
Of course, but really good QBs don’t just fall in your lap. More often than not, teams have to go get them.
Target QBs as they are available while you build the rest of the team. If you hit on a guy along the way great. But say we haven’t the first couple of seasons. Then in 2021 you can go all out to go get one and at least hope they will be that guy.
Mike E. says:
January 26, 2019 at 10:23 am
Rob – Our defense sucked form the beginning of the game till the end. Sure, if we held the ball more, that helps the defense, but it’s not like they just wore down. Teams ran all over us from the beginning of the game, no offense makes that better.
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has a lot to do with scheme, ever since we’ve been in this wide 9 we’ve been getting gashed, maybe it’s time to go to a skinny 9.
if you consistently use the same scheme over and over teams will locate it’s weaknesses and exploit them
i think our lack of defense had to do more with the coaches than the players
The defense isn’t likely to be the same as it has been the last few years. Flores is likely going to bring his own philosophy with him which based on what the Pats do, it will be very versatile.
Missed first part of game but Grier looked horrible that last series.
Grier is a terrible QB. Lock has looked decent so far.
Bridgewater doesn’t really interest me. What’s so terrible if the QB we draft competes with the 2 we have? No big financial investment, so not much to lose. I don’t know how that hurts the development of the offense. There will be some good games and some bad ones.
Did George Kittle not develop well because the Niners played with CJ Beathard and Nick Mullens? Who has developed with the veteran Tannehill as QB? Anyone??? I don’t buy that Teddy is make that much of a difference over the guys we have or will have.
It’s all hypothetical. I’m talking about playing with the likes of a Ryan Lindley or Nathan Peterman. You’re not going to accomplish much with that level of play. None of us know what Falk or Rudok or a rookie will be. We’ll see where it goes. Again, I’m not pounding the table for Bridgewater, just think he’s the best available FA QB not counting Foles if the new staff wants to bring in a vet.
You’re splitting hairs here, I’m talking about incompetent QB play, not average. There’s a big difference in the two.
Given the FA qb’s that are available I’d rather trade for Beathard. Of course, I’ve said that before but at least he’s played over the past 2 seasons where Bridgewater hasn’t and even if he’s not the guy we decide to move forward with we’ve got ourselves a top shelf backup.
I’m open for all options whoever the new regime wants to roll with. I’m just talking about different options and sure trading for a guy is possible too. What do you think we’d have to give up for Beathard?
I don’t know. He was a 3rd rd pick and I can’t see it being any higher than that. Hell, I’d trade Tannehill straight up for him.
This is not a very impressive Senior Bowl game.
QBs have looked pretty bad. I’m off the Minshew for anything train. I think Stidham was in for the only TD of the game but, as you have mentioned, it’s hard to evaluate people with such bad QB play.
I’m not seeing much impressive in any phase. I guess there’s been some decent defense. Just nobody really standing out. However it is an all-star game where nobody has much experience playing with each other or with these coaches.
Lou, the 49ers aren’t in the QB market. You can’t trade Tannehill to just any team. LOL
There’s a rumor out there that two teams are interested in DeVante Parker. One being the Packers, the other unknown.
Who’s the source? I know the Eagles were rumored to be interested last year but they weren’t on board with the compensation we reportedly were asking which was a 3rd rd pick.
A contributor to the Phinsider, and he won’t say where he got the data from… so take it for what it’s worth.
Anyone get the feeling Rizzi will be back once again being that he didn’t get hired anywhere else?
I hope we keep him.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/20190125/miami-dolphins-cb-xavien-howard-excited-to-play-for-brian-flores
M13, Parker is not an easy trade. He’s in that 5th year option year and will be a UFA next season. So a team wanting to trade for him would have to be all in on him.
I know.
At this point, if we’re moving on from him take any draft pick if a team wants to trade for him. The thing that sucks is he has talent, he just can’t get his career going.
MikeE,
Kittle got good because he’s a Hawkeye! Hockenson is gonna be just like him too.
not having read anything much above from today …
Bucky Brooks has us picking Jaylon Ferguson, an edge rusher from Louisiana Tech, who has the FBS sack record at 45.
Brooks has Ed Oliver going to Houston right behind us and Washington taking new Sr Bowl MVP Dan Jones at pick 15.
A bunch more good players are also available on his board when we pick.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001013277/article/bucky-brooks-2019-nfl-mock-draft-10-pats-among-4-to-pick-qb
Mike E
Bro
“I didn’t know our defensive coordinator had any heart …”
There. I fixed it for you.
Our defense never came together under Burke. Each unit had their moments but all three phases on the same page was more rare than common.
Let’s hope the new staff is better! LOL
Tim Knight says:
January 26, 2019 at 2:52 pm
He’s not bad either and likely better than anyone we’ll have on our roster this year.
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his 85.2 and 88.7 passer ratings in his two years as Minnesota’s starter were pretty pedestrian and well below Tannehill’s
and has thrown three passes (no completions) in the past three seasons, after returning midway through last season from his serious knee injury.
I’m well aware. But if he’s good physically he’s a competent pro QB. Not sure why that keeps getting lost. We’re not talking franchise here. If the new regime wants a vet stopgap as they acquire young QBs and make decisions from there, it’s not uncommon. It’s just an option.
Every offseason teams look at what’s available in both FA and the draft. I’m sure we’ll have an open QB competition this year and that will be different and fun to watch.
I agree with Omar here. A lot of teams are invested in QBs at this time. It sounds like so far pre-combine this QB class is not 1st rd. You’d be pushing it and trying to talk yourself into it. We’ll have a shot at one or maybe even two of them at some point. I see us tapping into the DL/Edge pool early on though.
All the personnel departments know where the depth is in this draft. They’ve been scouting it all season and for years. They know what class is strong and not so much at each position. There will be some exceptions with dramatic rise and fall, but I think NFL teams already have a pretty good idea who’s highly touted. We fans have to wait for all that though because until after the combine and pro days, our intel isn’t as clear.
The big winner after today’s display by Senior Bowl qb’s is David Blough of Purdue who looked pretty polished in the Shrine game