One piece of the puzzle was filled yesterday with the Denver Broncos trading for Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco. The Ravens will receive a 2019 4th RD pick from the Broncos in exchange for Joe Flacco. If the Dolphins truly do intend to move on from QB Ryan Tannehill, they will first look to trade him, and now with Flacco traded for a 4th RD pick, the market has been set. The Dolphins probably wouldn’t get a 4th RD pick for the oft injured QB, but a 5th isn’t out of the question.
The bigger question is, what are the Dolphins intentions going into free agency, and then the draft? There are quite a few QB’s available that are average or below average, but there’s only one out there that that’s young-ish, that has potential to be more than average, and that’s 27YO Teddy Bridgewater. Nick Foles is not a FA, and the Eagles still have potential to franchise tag Foles, in order to be able to trade him. There is some controversy regarding that, and it’s understandable. Foles had a buyout clause in his contract, which was a hefty $20 contract, the buyout being Foles would have to pay the Eagles $2M to become a free agent. Considering the fact that the $2M should buy his fredom, it doesn’t seem fair that the Eagles should then be able to restrict his freedom by tagging him. We’ll see how this plays out.
Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum and Josh McCown are all QB’s I’d say for all intents and purposes are about equal to Ryan Tannehill. In my mind, it would make no sense to pay Tannehill $13.24M, and then turn around and give another $8-10M to one of the aforementioned QB’s. The only QB that could make sense is Bridgewater, if the organization felt like they make Bridgewater into a playoff caliber QB, and Bridgewater can make us a playoff caliber team. I don’t think he can, and I wouldn’t go that direction. I don’t think we need a bridge QB, we have 2 young QB’s on the roster, and I hope to have a 3rd after the draft.
Luke Falk, Jake Rudock, and whichever QB we snare in the draft. Let’s face it, we need a great QB here if we want to elevate this team. None of the guys in the previous paragraph are taking us there. Don’t waste time and money, draft the right QB, and run with him! Start the process now! We can draft another QB in 2020 if this QB looks like a dog, but hopefully that’s not the case. How many young QB’s do we see play every season? At least 4 or 5. Let’s be one of those teams. Just because Tannehill didn’t pan out, that’s not a reason to avoid drafting a QB, it’s the biggest reaso to go ahead and do it!
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If the teams plan is to rebuild the right way starting with the trenches then trading up for a QB pretty much slows that process down. That’s putting the cart before the horse. It’s not as if the next two years are the last years that QBs will be available. Definitely bring some QBs in but to sell the farm for one in the first year of a rebuild seems dumb to me.
I don’t necessarily agree with that. I think whenever there’s a QB you deem special enough that you think they can be your QB for a decade or so, you try to make it happen. There’s always a limit as to what you will be willing to give up to get that QB, but no matter what, it’s the most important position on the team. If you hit on the QB, you have the foundation to be competitive for a long time. No DT can do that, no DE can do that, but a QB can. It all depends on where we have to trade up to, and how much we have to give up.
Completely agree with you on this.
A lot of people do it that way, there is no direct path to success with this sort of thing, you just need a plan and to execute it. Taking the QB first and then adding pieces around him either in later rounds or next years draft happens all the time. I personally would add a QB if we have one we feel good about at 13, and then add a couple pieces around him in the draft. A lot depends on re-signing James though as to what our strategy should be, still a lot more to happen before we can really get into what we should or shouldnt do.
Mike E. says:
February 14, 2019 at 8:07 am
M – I’ll bite at your question about Keenum . . . It’s not that Keenum sucks, but Keenum isn’t very good either. We already have that with Tannehil. What would be the point of cutting Tannehill, paying his salary, and then signing another just like him? It doesn’t make any sense. Just go with the QB’s we have and the one we hopefully draft, and whatever happens, happens.
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You would only do that if the outcome was saving money. If they could get Keenum for 7mil to be the bridge guy then your saving 6mil cutting/trading Tanny and adding Keenum. Otherwise you are right, there is no reason to make that move. I personally would only add a guy that 1) saves us money on the deal and 2) offers us something in the way of leadership and mentorship. We arent looking to add a guy who is even a thought of being our next QB long term, so we need to be looking for what guy we can get who can offer something else. I keep pushing for Fitz because he is a good Pro with a lot of time in the league and in different systems, he is the perfect transition guy unless you dont care about menotrship and in that case just roll with one Rudock and Falk.
I don’t think Keenum is going to do any better than Tannehill would have done, and I also doubt he’s only going to get $7M if a team wants him to start. As far as mentorship, I don’t care about that, we have experienced coaches for that.
Agreed, that’s what coaches are for. The mentoring thing is overrated as most guys aren’t in it to do that.
Kareem Hunt at least seems to be acting humble about him getting back into playing football. His contract was a 1.1mil 1 year, no guarantees contract.
What if he’s suspended for a 8 games or more, does he get his full salary?
I think it depends on the suspension but it’s possible
Mike, I think trading up for a QB this year would counter-productive. I build my core team and then add a QB to that. Not the other way around. If one is there at #13 fine. If you like a guy in another round you think can be good that’s fine too. But if you’re talking about a big trade up, I think you’re messing up the build the team the right way. If you’re talking trade up a few spots without giving up multiple picks, okay. But I don’t think any QB in this draft is worth a big trade up. They’re just the best QBs available.
Everyone likes to say blow it up, they just can’t push the button and do it the right way. If rookie QBs can play right away, then you can do that when you have a better team. This is not the only year QBs will be available especially when many say the next two years will be better for QBs.
What if you draft a DT or a DE or an OT, and he doesn’t pan out? Just because you draft the “sensible” position doesn’t mean he’s going to be a successful player. I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think there’s only one way to get it right. Tons of teams get their QB’s, and then build around them. These days it’s easier because of the rookie cap. It used to be much harder.
You’re trying to build the other 52, not just one pick here and there if they don’t pan out. You trade up and give away multiple picks for a QB and that guy doesn’t pan out, now you’ve just set yourself back and prolonged your rebuild. I agree my opinion isn’t the only way, but in our situation I think it’s the best way. I hope Grier and Flores agree.
Like anything else, it just depends on the guy you pick. If you have a big trade up and the guy ends up being Aaron Rodgers, then it wasn’t a mistake and it won’t mess up your rebuild. If he’s RG3, then you set the franchise back years. There isn’t really a right answer here. The right or wrong is in player selection.
If you trade up big, you’d better be right or it’s your job and maybe your GM career(Grier).
Absolutely right Kong. If Dion FF had become Bruce Smith, our team would have been a lot better. Instead, he was just a fuckface, and that set us back, and totally ruined that draft, that had such potential before it started, with a 1, 2,2,3,3,4 and I can’t remember the rest. lol
Yep, and that was the final nail in the long building Jeff Ireland coffin, which was actually a good thing for us, lol.
FWIW – I’m not a fan of trading up, but if Grier feels strongly enough to move up to get a QB, I’d have to trust him that this is the guy. He doesn’t seem like the type of guy prone for a move like that, not like MTP.
I’m not pushing for a trade up, but that’s because I feel there are about 3 different guys worthy of that pick. I think though if we were trading up for a guy to get that guy we probably have to trade into the top 5 if not to number one and that’s going to be too costly for a rebuilding team. If we get lucky though and the guy we like is still out there outside the top 5 where the cost of the trade up is more reasonable, I’d be ok with them making that move to get their guy. If the mess up so be it, it’s not like we went missed on 1st round DEs or WRs or RBs, if you look at our draft history I bet you can find one of every position we have whiffed on and if you have confidence enough to think the would get any position right you should feel even better about QB because the are gonna put even more effort into being right with that choice.
This is why I don’t think Grier will do a big trade up for a QB. He’s been saying this sort of thing the last few years to people. That’s why he got promoted as the top dog.
Omar’s most optimistic year EVER was the year our starting QB was coming back from a knee injury and didn’t even get into the preseason before reinjuring it? lol
Not focused on Omar’s opinion, but what Grier has been saying about building a team the right way.
If anything I could see us trading back if the top guys on our board are gone by the time we pick at #13. Lots of the top defenders are going to go early to the teams who have QBs picking before us. But there are a few teams who could go QB before we pick too. We all know it’s not cheap to trade up from #13 to say #5 with TB or maybe #4 with OAK because they do have David Carr. But they have three 1st rd picks so they can easily stay put and take the BPA.
I don’t think anybody was saying they THINK Grier will make a big move to trade up.
They suggested it if you think that’s your guy.
I saw it more as a discussion of possibilities as opposed to what anybody thinks Grier is going to do.
If we’re talking trade for a QB, I would consider trading out of the 1st rd this year for say a 2nd and 3rd and a 1st and maybe another pick next year. Then in 2020 we have two 1st rd picks as well as all our other picks. Even though there is a rookie cap, they still get a good chunk of change with most of it guaranteed. We could really clear up our cap situation this season with no 1st rd pick, releasing high paid vets and set ourselves up nicely in 2020 with a bunch of draft picks and a good amount of cap space.
Staplers are very underrated. I had a pile of papers, I needed to separate them into 2 sections, voila, 2 quick presses and 2 neat sections. Awesome! lol
It takes QBs longer to develop and grow into their potential. Waiting to pick one after you think you’ve got all your other pieces means you’ll then have to wait another 2 years or more for your QB to get up to speed. There’s no “right” way to do it. Try to make good, value picks. If that’s a QB, so be it.
That hasn’t been the current trend. QBs have had success right away. OL takes longer. We’re talking one player vs. building an entire team. A young QB has a better chance to succeed with a better team around him than one learning on the fly while the rest of the team is still being built.
This debate isn’t about not taking a QB, it’s about trading up and using multiple picks for one as you’re turning over much of the roster.
Assuming you can get a trade back and pick up a first in 2020 Tim. Also, again let’s say you play it out and don’t deliberately tank. You finish 6-10, other teams ahead of you might be looking to draft your guy too, you might get out bid, now what? Two things going on this board right now that seem silly. 1) just discounting the QBs in this draft in favor of the 2020 ones. I think that’s missing by a mile. Secondly just assuming that everything will happy exactly like we want it to in 2020. How, with as many variables that are in play do you expect us to guarantee out shot at these guys. How do you know they won return. How do you know they wont blow out their knees, how do you know we even get a shot at them?
Okay, which team are you trading up with this year, for which QB and what are you giving up?
It’s easy to say just do it, but nobody wants to be honest about how expensive it is to do so. Then how are you building the rest of the team, through FA and with mid rd picks? Because moving up into the top 5 which is what we’d likely have to do, is going to cost us multiple picks this year – our 1st #13, a 2nd, a 3rd and at least a 1st next year and that’s being conservative.
What if 2 of the 3 top QB’s in next years draft suffer serious injuries the pool gets cut down. I don’t know, we need QB’s pretty bad right now what does waiting get us.
If Haskins and Murray are so good, you think they’re available at #13?
I don’t want Murray and he might be there at 13. Haskins will be long gone.
Okay, so it would be for Haskins. How far do we have to move up and at what cost? Other teams who pick earlier than us might want him too so our price will be driven up even more to counter them.
Here’s what it took for the Eagles to trade up for Wentz.
The Eagles get: The No. 2 pick in 2016 and a 2017 fourth-round pick.
The Browns get: The No. 8 pick in 2016, the No. 77 pick (third round) in 2016, the No. 100 pick (fourth round) in 2016, a 2017 first-rounder and a 2018 second-rounder.
That was to go from #8 to #2. #13 to #5 or #4 will be something in the same ballpark. The Eagles also weren’t rebuilding, they had a pretty good team and Wentz helped put them over the top and won the Super Bowl the next season.
And they’re a playoff team since they got him
Yes, but we’re not a QB away from winning anything. We’re starting over. I’m talking about the cost to make a trade like that. Now we have a QB but still have to rebuild the OL and much of the defense. Two different situations. The Eagles already had one of the best O-lines and defenses in the game.
What other QBs besides Haskins in this draft do you like that have the potential to be quality starters someday even if they’re never elite”? And what round?
I didn’t include Murray because most here are not high on him. But the same question if you do like him but he’s gone at #13 and we didn’t trade up.
Tim – I totally understand why you’re against trading up, it really depletes your draft capital. On the other hand, we’ve had plenty of draft capital the last 15 years, and w/o that the special QB, we’ve been anything but special. Assuming that when we trade up we get the right guy, is it worth it to give up 2 first rd picks, and maybe a 2nd this year, and a 3rd next year if you have a top 5 QB for the next 15 years? I think so. Get that right, the other stuff will get done. It’s so much harder to find that special QB, every team is looking for it. I hope whatever happens, we get the QB we want w/o trading up for him, but I won’t go crazy if we do, I’ll be excited as hell.
Understood. I think it’s dangerous though. If you’re looking to get over the hump and be a contender I understand it more. If you miss you missed trying to win and it didn’t work. But if you miss during a rebuild you’re going to be rebuilding for 4-5+ years now because you lost higher draft capital at other positions. Unless you nail the mid rd picks big time and that’s not easy.
If we think Haskins will be long gone, you have to think okay what team drafted him long before us. Start the trade deals there.
Let’s say it’s the Giants. They get wind that we’re looking to jump them at #4 or #5. They can make such a sweet deal without giving up too much because the other teams only move back one or two spots and still get a top 6 player on their board. If we want to jump them our price will be much more expensive. Like a lot! LOL
Tim – It’s dangerous any time you trade up for a player, and our track record is abominable, but of course, not with Grier. Dion FF, DT3, LC3 all hurt the team.
DionFF was the worst by far. We could have overcome DT3 and LC3 but because we still had other holes it made it look more costly.
But our situation is different this year. All those moves were geared towards trying to compete now. We’re redoing how the football team works top to bottom. It’s not about any one position at this time to me. Draft the best players on your board and begin the transition.
Why can’t we make a trade for a QB next year if it’s okay this year? The pool is much deeper. We’ll likely be picking at #10 or less. It would be a better market for us in value and cost.
We can do it next year too, that’s fine. The point is, just find the damn QB. I don’t care if they do it next year, and still take a QB at some point in this draft too.
Agreed. That’s been my approach the entire time. Then if you think he’s got upside moving forward, you don’t HAVE to trade up for a QB next year but could take one if they fall to us. We don’t have to go for the gusto this year is my main point. There is so much other stuff happening within the org. It’s a rebuild with a few other nice parts already on board.
If we were to trade up I think teams would be intrigued by our next years first after all it should be the top pick right?
Grier has been adding nice pieces for a few years now. I don’t buy into this total rebuild crap. We need OL and DL, we have good players everywhere else. Even the o line has Tunsil and possibly James. If Sitton and Kilgore are brought back we’re in decent shape there too.
We need QB help – BAD
You don’t think there is going to be a major roster turnover? New HC, new schemes, new culture etc. I’d be shocked if it didn’t happen.
I can’t figure out who we’re so desperate to get rid of besides Tannehill.
See my reply to Mike a few posts up. The entire football operations are changing top to bottom.
That’s why I asked this earlier an no takers.
Tim Knight says:
February 14, 2019 at 1:19 pm
What other QBs besides Haskins in this draft do you like that have the potential to be quality starters someday even if they’re never elite”? And what round?
I didn’t include Murray because most here are not high on him. But the same question if you do like him but he’s gone at #13 and we didn’t trade up.
Sorry – Missed that – I think Lock can be a starter, maybe Jones too, but how their ceiling is, I don’t know
They’ve already moved into the 1st rd and are expected to seal that during the combine. I would take either of them at #13. One pick for one player that’s a QB. If you think either can be a quality starter, why not at #13? It all depends on what QBs the new regime likes and if it’s at #13. There are some other intriguing prospects. I like Tyree Jackson.
None for me. Get me some Brisket or some corn on the Dobbs.
LOL! Nice – You’re a reverse discriminator!
Everyone is saying Kyler Murray is coming ti Miami, I certainly hope not! 5″9 and 180 lbs…are you kidding me!
they are saying we are favs to land antonio Brown, again i hope not…didn’t we learn with the last pitt rec Wallace?
I doubt Ross will pay Brown a long term deal. Big Ben is why Brown is so good just like Wallace
Antonio Brown doesn’t fit “team first” which is Flores’ motto and he makes no sense during a rebuild.
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/c7ce27b4-8a92-3035-a3dd-4c59998ef3d2/nfl-trade-rumors-2019%3A-miami.html
Not buying it.
neither am i, doesn’t seem conducive to an organic tank.
according to the draft value board the # 4 pick by Oakland is 1800, #5 TB is 1700, we are at 1150.
that leaves either 650 or 550 points to make, our first or either a late first or 2nd to make up the difference.
next years first this year is like a 2nd rnder.
it’s very realistic that we could do a trade with Oakland as Chucky pooks to want to hoard these 1st rnders.
Rob – The only thing that could make me even think Murray could be a possibility is because Ross wants to make a splash, but if he’s letting his football guys make the decisions, it ain’t happening.
I certainly hope not however the splash zone disagrees with you.
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/98693cfa-0a32-3a65-8dcb-f472925b153f/the-splash-zone-2%2F14%2F19%3A-why.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/50a4060e-c12f-3a43-a300-feb6a45a1471/2019-nfl-mock-draft-database.html
Ross isn’t doing that. It’s the opposite of everything they said they’re doing.
An intriguing thing that’s been said is watch for Murray hand size. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson have big hands. That’s important to scouts.
move up to 4 and get your guy, Haskino
or maybe haskarino
we swap #13 for oaklands #4, give them next years 1st, this years 2nd and we get their 4th this year.
how about that?
doable?????
Unless Oakland likes Haskins themselves…not sure what the Carr situation is in Raider-land now.
somehow we have to land Haskins
Don’t ever get your heart set on one prospect
No way I’m buying a highpriced FA acquisition like Brown or Bell. To me, the sites saying that are clueless (or our organization is if true).
Murray may be a possibility, but I certainly hope not. He came across like a moron to me in the only interview I’ve seen him give, and why did it take him so long to commit to football. Big red flags, just say no.
It’s weak fantasy football type thinking. The team is starting over with some good young talent already on board. Expect a lot of turnover. This isn’t me saying this is what we must do, it’s what I think they’re going to do. Think Jimmy Johnson’s first year.
Yeah, it’s goofy. It goes against everything the FO has stated they want to do, and it would be repeating the mistakes of the past. I guess if we do go out and get one of those guys, we know our FO hasn’t learned squat and us Dolphins fans should take up playing Parcheesi, lol.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/woman-pens-break-up-note-on-foot-before-amputation
LOL
Try to trade any players that aren’t part of your plan or in the next few years. Add draft picks when you can, don’t trade them. Keep a few older vets that you feel will help with the transition. Don’t add aging FAs or cap busting contracts. Get your cap in order moving forward. That’s what I think they’re going to do.
13: R1P13
QB DWAYNE HASKINS
OHIO ST
48: R2P16
G CHRIS LINDSTROM
BOSTON COLLEGE
78: R3P14
OT MICHAEL DEITER
WISCONSIN
116: R4P14
EDGE JALEN JELKS
OREGON
152: R5P13
RB MYLES GASKIN
WASHINGTON
190: R6P15
C LAMONT GAILLARD
GEORGIA
231: R7P15
DL BREIDEN FEHOKO
LSU
Son and ORob would do the blue jumpsuit dance. LOL
he fell to 13
what else was I going to do
Usually I’ve been mocking DL
but once he fell to #13, I took OL with the next couple of picks
BTW the 2nd and 3rdroundOL are very good ones IMO
Wife suggested we go out to dinner tonight and as an ex-waiter said “hell no….. we’ll go tmrw when the limited menus with jacked-up prices are over and get better service.” Only two days will not go out on are Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day. And oddly enough, back in the restaurant Father’s Day was just like any other. 🙂
LOL @ Kong on parcheesi.
Piggy, I expect us to add a few OL and DL in both FA and the draft. QB at some point and probably a couple of LBs that fit new schemes. I think we have some skill on offense at WR, TE and RB. We’ll add more but it doesn’t have to be a priority. Same in the secondary. Plenty to go play with.
Tim,
I don’t think that’s true. Out of the top 4 QBs taken last year. I think the only one you could say had a good year would be Mayfield. Teams may start young QBs right away more often than they used to but that doesn’t mean they’re playing well.
They made progress and last year’s examples are not the only ones in recent times. I’m not making it up, it’s what happened.
It’s much harder to build a sustainable OL than it is to get a rookie QB with talent playing well. It might not happen right away, but rebuilding an OL and defense isn’t either, and there’s more of them you have to bring in and develop. That’s why I wouldn’t sell out for a QB this year, but I’d definitely draft one.
If you truly like a QB, go get him. QB is the one position actually worth spending multiple picks to get. You don’t do it for just any QB but if one really has a high grade in your estimation it’s worth it. Ya better get it right though.
Tim
We’ve been trying to establish a functional OL around here for decades! Lol. Its your opinion. Not fact. Very rarely does a rookie QB come in, start right away and play really good.
Okay so you don’t attempt to ever build an OL again because it didn’t pan out in the past. I’m sure that’s what the new regime is thinking. LOL
The facts disagree with you on QBs in recent times. I guess it comes down to what you mean by really good. I said success which doesn’t mean winning it all even though a few of them went pretty far or got to the big game pretty quickly.
Rob, why are you looking at values to move up in this draft? This is the year of the trade DOWN if anything. We are rebuilding we need MORE picks not less picks for another future bust.
Tim,
you know better than that. I’m always the one who’s for drafting offensive lineman! My point was that it’s not as easy as you made it out to be. It’s really not worth arguing about though. We need lots of good players
I never said it was easy. I actually said the opposite of easy. LOL
You have to start it right away though because it takes time.
Its easy guys
you just write the name on the card and hand it up to the commissioner
the commissioner handles all the hugging and kissing
In the big scheme of things Tunsil is probably the only guy part of the long-term plan on the OL. We’re also going to need cap space to extend him probably by next year. Howard might get done during the 2019 season. Drake? Those are really the only three we need to extend anytime soon. All good young players.
I spent a part of this afternoon researching Dwayne Haskins…
Positives: I like his arm-strength and accuracy
Negatives: 1-read passer, terrible mechanics when dropping back, system QB, CMP% is high due to so many short passes (screens and short crossing-routes), pocket presence is negligible, too often throws off his back foot when pressured, YAC is where he gets his passing yardage, and his deep passes are choreographed/dictated by the OC.
Before I did research on Haskins, I had assumed he was the next BIG thing. After I did research on Haskins, I wish he’d stayed in college in order to further develop.
IMO, Haskins is going to have to sit as a pro for a while, in order to soak up the pro game. The worst thing anybody could do would be to force him into action immediately, after being a 1-year starter (see USC QBs, for example).
PRO (not college) comparison: Ryan Tannehill. Like Tannehill, Haskins thrives on short-yardage completions, making his CMP% look remarkable. Like Tannehill, Haskins possesses a cannon arm, which is not so accurate. The comparisons can go on and on, truly. Only, Tannehill is far more athletic than Haskins.
I would not take Haskins, even if he fell to us @ R1P13, at the moment. I do think a QB needy team will take him, though, well before we select @ R1P13. A “QB-whisperer” could possibly turn him into something really nice, but I think we don’t have that luxury at this time. JMO, as always!
It all depends on if you think he has the upside to be your future starting QB. If you do taking him at #13 is not a reach. Trading a lot of draft capital to go get him is a reach if you’re not absolutely sure.
Just for you, Son. Just keep in mind, I don’t trust the source…
When I hear established reporters start reporting this I’ll think there is something to it. Phinsiders are fans acting as glorified reporters.
^^^
However, I wouldn’t mind trading for Jacoby Brissett but at what value? He did get drafted by the team a lot of our new coaches are coming from in the 3rd rd in 2016.
He’s only 26 and has the size and arm strength you look for in a QB. He also moves around well and can run at times despite not being fast. He’s kind of crafty in his overall play.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/jacoby-brissett?id=2555261
He will be a UFA in 2020. He’s had some good coaching his first 3 years. What would the Colts want to part ways with him? They don’t have to because he’s a quality backup QB as they try to make another run in 2019.
M – Tannehill is your pro comparison for Haskins or someone that you’ve read?
My Brother… EVERYTHING that comes out of my mouth (typed on here) is MY comparison/opinion. I’d actually be surprised if there was another evaluator who compares Haskins to Tannehill. I’m an original, man.
If it’s not my opinion, I’m posting another’s opinion with a link.
He’s the OG. LOL
LOL – I was going to say I don’t see it, to be honest. I’ve seen him make some great deep throws, both with some pace, and other with touch, small windows. I don’t know if I could ever say that about Tannehill
I just read an article “Antonio Brown not on Miami radar” and another one “NFL scoop hints maybe Brown to Dolphins.”
Do we want him here?
Rebuilding/team first players = Antonio Brown?
I just saw the second mock draft saying Lock to Miami …
Drew Lock – QB
School: Missouri | Year: Senior
With the (possible) departure of Ryan Tannehill, Miami must address this position. Lock has the quick release everyone is looking for.
This from M. Jones Drew
Drew Lock looks the part to me. Daniel Jones too. They’re not slam dunk type prospects but taking either at #13 won’t kill you. Trading up and missing during a rebuild will. We’re talking #13 here, not top 5.
Meanwhile Draftek has us taking Murray.
One of the most controversial players entering this years’ NFL Draft could very easily wind up finding himself being snared with the 13th overall pick. The Miami Dolphins are at a place right now within the organization where change is needed. That change has already come in the form of basically hiring an entirely new coaching staff. Now it is time to take that second huge leap and draft your Quarterback of the Future. Towards the end of last season, players and members of management stated on multiple occasions that many within the organization have completely lost faith in Ryan Tannehill. Rightfully so, after a dreadful span where Miami fans witnessed Tannehill get six starts after returning from injury, and combine for 1,007 passing yards, 9 touchdowns, 4 interceptions and a fumble lost. The Dolphins lost four out of those six games, proving the point that it is time to make the transition. Throughout his whole career, Tannehill has had a winning season only once, and he didn’t even play in two of those games where they won, so in other words, Ryan Tannehill has never been anything more than a game manager leading his team to a win percentage of at most .500. It is time for some more changes to be made in Miami, people!
I doubt that will happen, I don’t think these NE coaches would want a 5’9″ 180 lbs QB
Some guy nfl.com has us taking Chris Lindstrom in the 2nd.
OG from Boston College 6’4–303 … All ACC 1st team
also impressive is he got quality minutes out of a bunch of nameless guys, the best of which was our 7-11.
And he kept Brady functional past his prime by giving him plenty of targets at places Lady could still hit.
I give the players most of the credit but O’Shea wouldn’t have been in NE for 10 years if he wasn’t a good coach. Who has more experience than him with a revolving door of WRs over that time?
He said recently a QB who has leadership and accuracy is paramount. That’s where it all starts. That translates into as long as receivers do their job and get open the QB has to get them the ball. But he also needs time.
I find our NE pipeline interesting. It’s not like these coaches were there only 3-4 years, but 6-15 years from all 4 coaches.
HC Brian Flores 15 years
OC Chad O’Shea 10 years
DC Patrick Graham 7 years (09-15)
Asst. QB Jerry Schuplinski 6 years
He also coached Clemson DL to their national championship with DeShaun Watson.
Tim Knight says:
February 14, 2019 at 6:40 pm
He’s the OG. LOL
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RETIRED!!! LOL
nfl.com also rated all the rookie classes.
We got a B+, highest in the AFCE, although all of the four teams got a B or B+.
Rockphin says:
February 14, 2019 at 4:48 pm
Rob, why are you looking at values to move up in this draft? This is the year of the trade DOWN if anything. We are rebuilding we need MORE picks not less picks for another future bust.
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I agree but if you think you have your franchise QB out there you should do what it takes to get him.
Okafor is a FA off the Saints.
Too much like Quinn?
mf13ss says:
February 14, 2019 at 5:40 pm
Negatives: terrible mechanics when dropping back,
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i totally disagree, he has great footwork and that’s the key to playing the position, he also has touch on his passes and he throws a myriad of routes not just a dink and dunk guy. he destroyed #4 michigan.
I never want to trade out of a spot because I always think I’ll feel awful if we trade up and waste it going for FuckFace or miss quality and get Odrick.
But if you REALLY see your franchise QB, then i say trade up.
However, I don’t think that can’t miss guy is there this year, so no trade up for me this year.
Any other position will have another player just as valuable to the team without trading up.
*or trade down and end up with Odrick.*
sorry
who knows what will happen, if we get haskins we get him if we don’t we don’t, but there’s a reason he’ll be the first qb taken in the draft. maybe the Giants feel good with Eli and won’t want to pass up another great player at 6, maybe Jax gets Foles. he then may fall to us at 13.
I wouldn’t hate Lock at 13 I guess, although I’d much rather get Dexter Lawrence there.
(Or another DT or DE we think is better)
I’m just looking hard at Dex because the NE guy is our HC and knows how to use a huge 1Tech DT to choke the rush and get pressure up the middle or eat up a dbl team and let the MLB get the sack.
IF … IF
Grier can promise me he doesn’t leave an all pro on the board when he trades down, then I guess this is a good year to do it and get both a DT and a DE, then use our other 2nd for a OG.
We MUST get a phat edge rusher or figure out how to get Quinn to get more this year.
I think if we had a better interior rush, we might get more production out of our DE.
To me, all of my comments on our needs on defense are confused by how terrible Burke was at coaching up our guys.
It’s hard to get a sack if their QB can glance up at 1.8 seconds and see a free running WR 9 yds downfield on 3rd and 7.
ocalarob says:
February 14, 2019 at 7:01 pm
I totally disagree, he has great footwork and that’s the key to playing the position, he also has touch on his passes and he throws a myriad of routes not just a dink and dunk guy. he destroyed #4 michigan.
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One of the multitude of tapes I put on regarding Dwayne Haskins was his game against Michigan. When evaluating the QB position, one can’t look at box scores… we call that “box-score scouting”, and it’s not accurate.
I’m sorry, but Haskins did in fact “dink-and-dunk” his way to a victory against then #4 Michigan. Can’t look at the box score… evaluate the player.
But to agree with ya, he does have decent footwork. I’m just sayin’, he’s a project at this point with very little track record. I wouldn’t take a project QB in the 1st round, but that’s JMO.
Hey
Did anybody watch the Super Bowl?
Our HC Flores looked awesome, hunh? Beat a team that started 8-0 and 11-1.
That was our new HC calling a defense that gave up no TDs to a high scoring offense, held a #1 draft pick to 50% completion, and stuffed Gurley boy AND CJ who either one has been known to overwhelm a defense.
Gurley caught 1 pass for -1 yards. How did Burke do against RBs on 3rd down?
The Rams got out-coached and played subpar on offense in my view. They missed on quite a few big plays. Goff played a bad game. The Ol struggled. The NE DEF was part of it but also the Rams were not good on offense. Gurley wasn’t right and hadn’t been for a month.
The Rams beat the Saints and Cowboys in the playoffs.
So you don’t think we got a good HC?
So you aren’t happy our HC was the DC that held a team to a historically low point total in the SB? Flores’s D stifled several good offenses in the playoffs.
Would you have preferred we get a DC whose team went 6-10 and gave up 28 ppg?
I’m very happy to get Flores and excited about having a D that won’t give up 1st downs on 3rd and 8s all the time.
Naples, how often do you think a team needs a classic NT in today’s game? 12-15 snaps out of 50+ plays? You want multiple guys who can play everywhere on the DL. A true NT is not 1st rd pick material to me. Once the play is not anywhere near the the middle of the LOS, that player is nullified. You can find a guy like that in many other ways.
For the record, the NFL is dink and dunk a lot of the time. But you need to run the ball and hit on some downfield play-action too. Playing defense and STs always helps. 🙂
Why would we not want to keep Wake? He’s one of the best players at his position.
There ya go Herd!
Tim notice i didn’t say NT. I said 1-technique.
I agree with you no one needs a traditional NT, but traditional most anything is passe.
The guy I mentioned is mobile and was never listed as a NT and never played in a 3-4 (except when the DL shifted into that to harass the OL).
Do you not agree that NE’s defense is a stifling blend of formations that includes a large immovable guy in the middle and relentelss pressure on the QB, not just from the edge?
We do not have that player on our roster. Getting a 1-dimensional level player who has no other skills would certainly be an error. Like a Day 3 college NT or rotational FA NT. No.
That is not what I proposed.
Naples – You asked why we wouldn’t want to re-sign Wake? This team is rebuilding. I’m sure you’ve seen companies that are restructuring, or merging, there’s always a lot of out with the old, in with the new. This team is not ready to compete for a championship, and probably won’t be for 2-3 years. Realistically, Wake at a high salary makes no sense in that scenario. If he only wants to play here and is willing to play for less, that’s different, but if he wants to get paid, he should look elsewhere. I would love to see him hook up with a playoff team, one that can compete for a Super Bowl
He’s also the perfect example of what teams like Patriots, Steelers and Ravens do. Let him walk now, and assuming we’re not signing high priced FA’s, we should get a nice compensatory pick, maybe a 3rd RD if Wake signs a big contract and plays a lot of snaps this year. That’s the way to rebuild.
HIGH OF 76, low of 60 PREDICTED TODAY FOR TAMPA BAY with more of the same for tomorrow. Early arriving MLB baseball players from Philly, New York, Minnesota and Boston think they’ve died and gone to heaven!!!
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GOTTA WORK this weekend but next weekend I’m off! Y’all have a terrific weekend! Me and Mrs. OD are planning to watch “BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY” on DIRECTV.
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LIGHTNING CRUSHED playoff bound Calgary 6-3 then destroyed another playoff bound team, the Dallas Stars last night, 6-0, to the delight of blood thirsty home fans at Amalie Arena!! This could be the best Lightning team of ALL TIME!!
Hey OD – Enjoy Bohemian Rhapsody! My wife and I really want to see that too, somehow we never found the time to go to the movies to see it. I’m guessing you don’t get Dolphins games in Tampa so that’s why you have DirecTv, correct?
BTW, Patriots have 8 picks, plus they will probably receive FOUR compensatory picks/ Ugh! This is how we do it baby! That’s where we need to be . . .
They’re expected to get TWO 3rd RD picks, and one in the 6th, and one in the 7th.
If Flacco went for a 4th, I can’t see getting more than a 6thfor RT. And Brissett should be available for a 5th at most.
Despite PFF’s grading systemWake made very little impact last year.
Mostly because we had other problems on D, mainly stopping the run, and we weren’t generating any pass rush from the other side. Not Wake’s fault, but you know where I stand on re-signing him, so it’s academic.
I don’t get the love affair with a sub-60% passer in Brisket. Why is he even being considered? Because he was in NE? His ONLY good games were AGAINST the Dolphins.
Yeah thats not the kinda bridge QB im looking for. If we are thinking abotu Brissett then we should just be thinking about Falk.
over his career he has only averaged 150 yards per game at 6.6 yards per completion and could not crack 60% !!???
And you guys that Dog on Tannehill want him???!!!!!???
If it is just to assure that we tank this season, then save the freaking draft pick and go with the youngsters we have on the roster.
Ryan Painter anyone? Maybe we should trade for him? (Being sarcastic)
OD,
The wife and I just watched Bohemian Rhapsody the other night. I have mixed feelings about it. It was a fantastic watch if you want to enjoy the music of Queen. But for some reason, a lot of the events portrayed in the movie are fictional.
It was basically a fictional account of the formation and journey of the band with some of the major themes being based in truth. It was kind of an odd creative choice, especially since Brian May and Roger Taylor were involved in the film.
I would have preferred a more accurate account. Still, there was enough truth for me to learn stuff about the band I didn’t know before, and of course the music rocks. Enjoy the movie!
Did they rock you?
Killer Queen!
I enjoyed it
Mainly bc of the music but I liked it.
I must be really not up to date on the weird shit going on on the internet but do any of you know what ASMR videos are?
I hesitate to ask….lol
Does it involve a hammer and a stick of butter?
you have to freeze the stick of butter first.
freezing the butter makes the goat useless
autonomous sensory meridian response video. Supposedly relaxing by showing relaxing sights and sounds. Like a brain massage.
2 weeks to go until the Combine! CAN’T WAIT!
Sounds interesting
If you haven’t yet heard of ASMR (autonomous sensory meridian response), well, things are about to get weird. Defined as a “calming, pleasurable feeling often accompanied by a tingling sensation”, ASMR occurs in response to certain stimuli and has also been likened to a ‘head orgasm’
Yeah its liek freaky shit that gets a “tingle” for some people. By tingle i have seen indication that it can be anything from a claming sensation ie the brain orgasom or sexually tingly.
Sick paart of it is it has become the haven of the freaks and closte pedophiles because often on youtube they are paying young children to do certain acts. Some of it is as simple (though wierd) like eating foor so they can see and hear it. Some of it it is requests made to separate out skittles into different color bowls and slowly dig their hands around into the separated out colors in a specific color order. Some of it is distubing like asking a young girl to slowly lick a lollipop and suck on the tip of a pickle.
Its very strange and becoming a pretty disturbing trend on YouTube specifically. Kids are actually taking donations to make videos doing these very specific things and labeling it as ASMR as if hiding behind some sorta wall of protection.
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Pretty sad that Kenyan Drake didn’t make this list.
Jeopardy
Q: Adam Gase
A: Who is Kenyan Drake?
Exactly!
LOL this fall in line with my rants against John Denney…..Same amount of supporting evidence
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/child-asmr-video-stars-on-youtube
Here is one report but the more i dug into it the more it got stranger and more deviant. My kids watch a lot of youtube videos, they have become almost addicted to them. I dont believe i have ever seen them watch anything labeled like that but im going to start watching a lot more closely.
Mike, I haven’t seen Bohemian Rhapsody yet either. However it’s already on cable. So you can watch it at home.
Really, it’s not on PPV? Regular scheduled programming?
Oh yes you have to pay for it, just saying you can watch it from home. It’s on On Demand for I think $12.99.
Naples, I said the Pats DEF had something to do with the Rams performance. But Goff also didn’t play well and Gurley was not 100%. I like Flores and hope he has great success in Miami. 🙂
M – How is James Conner not on that PFF list?
Because PFF has a very special grading system that only they know. 😉
They determine if a player does the right thing in the right circumstance on the assumed play-call. Oh and how right they did it, so its speculation inside of an opinion, wrapped in unavoidable human bias.
https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1096495117765148672
Mike E. says:
February 15, 2019 at 2:21 pm
M – How is James Conner not on that PFF list?
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Because that PFF list was about AFC East RBs, man. James Conner plays for the Stealers*, of course.
So the list was limited to AFC East alone and still Drake didnt get any love. Jesus.
You’ve got it. BUT… and as Mike E stated above, it was about Gase not even trying to properly utilize Drake. Seems Gase didn’t even know who Drake was, hence his “Jeopardy!” joke.
Hot damn! I missed that it said AFC East, thought it just said AFC. Doh!
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LOL 😆
Some insight from our new DC.
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article226331830.html
PFF grades have always been subjective. That’s why I ignore them. It’s just somebody else’s opinion based on what they think a player was supposed to do and how they did it compared to others, in supposedly, the same situations….which is an impossibility. Too many variables and too much ambiguity to really mean much of anything.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001018051/article/nfl-kaepernick-reid-decide-to-resolve-pending-grievances
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So they took a payoff to drop the case. Does that means it was always about the money, not the principal?
To clarify, that question is only referring to the collusion case.
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm
Yeppers
Oh, and you’re far better than me with vocabulary and light years better with commas, but it’s “principle”
LOL! Cheers.
I love getting called on a goof like that. I caught my extra ‘s’ on the end of ‘mean’ after the fact, but I didn’t notice my ‘principal’ error.
Even lyrical mother f’ing wordsmiths make mistakes, especially when homophones are involved.
Kong – I knew you wouldn’t take it as douchebaggery, far from it. I figured you would want to know. 🙂
Yah, you pegged me right, lol.
IMO, it’s really only douchebaggery if it’s used to deflect or put someone on the defensive during a debate/argument.
Cheers man!
Did someone mention douchebaggery?
I’d pass, I don’t think we need another TE. Your thoughts?
Me too… I’d pass.
I always was fan of Clay. He just wanted too much money for the production he gave. (ask Buff)
He is a progress stopper at this point. We have plenty of good rising young CHEEP guys right now.
Totally agreed that Clay would be a progress-stopper at this point.
Too bad we didn’t draft the right TE this year and brought in the soft wimp. Gheysucki.
He better be hitting that weight room this off-season!
😉 LOL
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I had the BIGGEST crush on Zelma Davis back then!
Although we did get Smythe so there is that.
Ahh, he’s a trophy TE. LOL
In case y’all didn’t already hear, Colin Kap turned down a chance to play in the AAF. Clearly, he felt it was beneath him to demonstrate his now long-past former skills.
The article I read said he was never actually offered a contract, but he didn’t ask to play either, it just said he was contacted by someone from the league. Maybe there is other info out now?
I almost mentioned that in my post above. He allegedly wanted 20 mil to play in the AAF.
I didn’t hear the exact total as you stated above, but I did hear that he wanted an extravagant amount of $$$. I believe ya, CavKong.
I take the whole thing with a grain of salt, but settling the NFL case definitely lends credence to it IMO.
Agreed.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/colin-kaepernick-wanted-dollar20-million-to-play-for-aaf-per-report/ar-BBTD7gD?li=us%27)%26%24orderby%3d%27_lastPublishedDateTime%27+desc
Jesus, that dude definitely is smoking shit.
LOL, he certainly doesn’t live on planet earth if he thinks anyone will pay him that much to play football. If this report is true, it just confirms he doesn’t really want to play. He wants to be something else.
Personally, I’m just glad his name should be out of NFL headlines now.
Id be ok with Clay returning as long as it was on the cheap. He would fit a patriot type system and how they use TE’s but he will probably get much better offers than i would make to him anyways.
The Miami Dolphins official site has interviews with some of the new coaches. The give some insight into what the plan is. One thing is clear, on both offense and defense we will be “multiple”. Whatever it takes to win that week determines the schemes used. Looking forward to it.
The idea is sound, now they have to execute that. They need to get the right personnel in here,then the coaches have to employ the correct personnel at the correct time. Good luck with that! lol
I read the article about our DC you posted earlier. Every year I at this time I read articles like that one about our new direction. I always say I won’t get dragged back in, and every year I get dragged back in, lol.
Gotta love all the things he said.
I remember Tank when he played at FSU. He was one of the top pass rushers there, and i think was a 2nd round pick. He hasn’t done much with his career but this might signify we are wanting some bigger DE types because he is a big boy.