One piece of the puzzle was filled yesterday with the Denver Broncos trading for Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco. The Ravens will receive a 2019 4th RD pick from the Broncos in exchange for Joe Flacco. If the Dolphins truly do intend to move on from QB Ryan Tannehill, they will first look to trade him, and now with Flacco traded for a 4th RD pick, the market has been set. The Dolphins probably wouldn’t get a 4th RD pick for the oft injured QB, but a 5th isn’t out of the question.
The bigger question is, what are the Dolphins intentions going into free agency, and then the draft? There are quite a few QB’s available that are average or below average, but there’s only one out there that that’s young-ish, that has potential to be more than average, and that’s 27YO Teddy Bridgewater. Nick Foles is not a FA, and the Eagles still have potential to franchise tag Foles, in order to be able to trade him. There is some controversy regarding that, and it’s understandable. Foles had a buyout clause in his contract, which was a hefty $20 contract, the buyout being Foles would have to pay the Eagles $2M to become a free agent. Considering the fact that the $2M should buy his fredom, it doesn’t seem fair that the Eagles should then be able to restrict his freedom by tagging him. We’ll see how this plays out.
Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum and Josh McCown are all QB’s I’d say for all intents and purposes are about equal to Ryan Tannehill. In my mind, it would make no sense to pay Tannehill $13.24M, and then turn around and give another $8-10M to one of the aforementioned QB’s. The only QB that could make sense is Bridgewater, if the organization felt like they make Bridgewater into a playoff caliber QB, and Bridgewater can make us a playoff caliber team. I don’t think he can, and I wouldn’t go that direction. I don’t think we need a bridge QB, we have 2 young QB’s on the roster, and I hope to have a 3rd after the draft.
Luke Falk, Jake Rudock, and whichever QB we snare in the draft. Let’s face it, we need a great QB here if we want to elevate this team. None of the guys in the previous paragraph are taking us there. Don’t waste time and money, draft the right QB, and run with him! Start the process now! We can draft another QB in 2020 if this QB looks like a dog, but hopefully that’s not the case. How many young QB’s do we see play every season? At least 4 or 5. Let’s be one of those teams. Just because Tannehill didn’t pan out, that’s not a reason to avoid drafting a QB, it’s the biggest reaso to go ahead and do it!
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My favorite California Brewery is still North Coast. Love their Scrimshaw Pils.
WOO HOO….Page turn!
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Somebody please close the coach poll. I cannot help myself. I just voted for Eric Beniemy again. HA!
I wonder how many voted for Brian Flores AFTER he was hired. lol
well, he only got three overall so it could be a large percentage of his votes!
I thought about doing that today. Repeatedly.
ocalarob says:
February 21, 2019 at 8:20 am
i told you tannehill blows chunks
ocalarob says:
February 21, 2019 at 8:28 am
….. i dont think he’s that bad….
Well, which is it? Or is it you told me one thing and thought another?
You know he was the recipient of the 2015 Oinkees Golden Wings Right!!??
when i say he blew chunks i was talking about the dog!
I think he’s a less than middle of the road QB, i do think he was better than Chad Henne though.
Outside of Chad Pennington he has been the best QB since Marino. I dont deny that, he just isn’t good enough.
there probably is only 12 or 13 good QBs in the league, that leaves 20 teams searching and that’s why Tanny will get a job somewhere.
Of course Tanny will get a job. Only Q is whether “best we could come up with,” serious compete, and/or placeholder while some rook develops. But that is sorta where we are now too…..
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Maybe I should give it a rest until after the combine. I seem to be picking the same guys every mock no matter who’s big board I use. (well except for Gary dropping to #13, which wont happen.
Part of your issue is you arent changing your strategy, i know there have been times that you have had a good QB prospect to pick, or a CB or a LB, or a top OT, you seem really locked in to certain positions in certain orders. Try selecting something different withyour first pick and letting the draft kinda fall out on its own, ie roll with the draft and dont try to force the picks.
Sorry i should have said, that seems to be what im seeing with your drafts, so its my opinion thats whats going on.
I think RT was an exactly middle of the road QB. Just no way he was going to routinely carry the team.
Its just like anything, sometimes one part fails and the other has to cover for it, but the problem with the QB position is more often than not, you are the part that has to lift everything else up. To me this is why you cant just settle on a guy who can get you wins in perfect scenarios if the OL holds up, if the running game is working, if the receivers break offf big plays. You need a guy capable of being the guy who creates the big play, is the guy who makes it hard to defend against the run because he is carving up the secondary, if getting the ball out and moving in the pocket well so the OL doesnt have to be perfect and give him all day to make up his flipping mind.
D says:
February 21, 2019 at 2:41 pm (Edit)
Outside of Chad Pennington he has been the best QB since Marino.
That isn’t really saying a lot, considering the abysmal list of QB’s that have been here in that period of time
The thing is he’s probably good enough to win with Support from a great running team and an offensive line however we’ve been in this situation for 7 years and to continue with Thill would not be good to the fans especially if he started playing bad again.
Time to move on but who knows maybe the OC likes him….maybe they really have no one better to replace him….you never know.
Time for me to move on, my golf clubs are calling me.
I was disappointed that RT’s pocket presence never improved. I think it is one of those skills that you have or you don’t. Can’t be taught or learned.
I think you’re right. It’s like some RB’s see the holes, and just run so well in the open field, and others just don’t have the vision.
Mike E
At least QB is one position nobody can say we let that player go and look how good they are!
Tru dat!
You know what, even if Tannehill does great somewhere else, he had every chance to do it here, and he couldn’t get it done. I have no regrets saying sayonara to Tanny
Well Mike if that’s the case then you can put the blame on coaching and scheme which wouldn’t be good especially if we let go a good QB.
Rob – Maybe. I guess you could blame the whole organization for changing regimes so frequently too, never getting to have a complete roster.
I’m not worried about him being great though, it ain’t happening. I just want us to be great, I don’t really care what Tannehill does or doesn’t do
https://twitter.com/GrindingTheTape/status/1098696768957702144
I’d let Sitton play, he’s a good player. I’d make sure I have a good backup though, which won’t be easy because we have lots of holes to fill
His cap isn’t that big of a deal and it’s only for one more year. I think it will depend more on what the coaches think of him as a player or if they want to go younger, not so much the money.
D says:
February 21, 2019 at 3:53 pm
Sorry i should have said, that seems to be what im seeing with your drafts, so its my opinion thats whats going on.
No apologies needed. You may be right. I have certain “Position prejudices” for certain round. (you don’t take a kicker before the 5th and then only if he is the probowl kicker in waiting. You use your #1 on “high paid” positions (QB, DE, DT, CB, OT) etc.
My other issue is I don’t pay attention at all to these kids until after the dolphins are eliminated (Decemberish every year, LOL) I don’t watch college ball.
Tannehill will never be a great QB. His flaws are too significant and haven’t changed in 7 years. The only way he is more successful is if he goes to a really good team with a very good OL, and teams like that usually aren’t looking for starting QBs. He doesn’t make players better. I don’t see many teams getting too excited about him. He’s not the sort of guy who helps a middling or poor team get better. He doesn’t have much equity as a playmaker or guy who makes a difference. And, now he has an injury history that has to be considered. He didn’t look as nimble last year. Maybe that improves with another year of healing….maybe it doesn’t.
I think RT ends up in Washington.
Strong possibility, preferably in a trade.
I don’t know who we’re taking in the 1st
I don’t know if we’re taking a qb this year
But one guy I hope is on the radar is Olamide Zaccheaus, HB, UVA
1st round?
No
What round are you thinking and do you view him as that Dion Lewis/James White type of player?
Exactly. If you watch the way UVA uses him I’m thinking that’s the way you use him in our O.
I’m not sure where he goes. Probably later
I wouldn’t trade future picks to move up for a qb but I would like to have an additional 2nd & 3rd rd pick
Brian Hartline wasn’t a great WR he was good, but his best years were with RT
Devon Bess wasn’t a great WR he was good but his best year was with RT
Charles Clay’s best years were with RT
you know who Mike wallace caught the most TD’s from in a season? It was a tie with Big Rape and RT
Jarvis landry’s best seasons?? Hmmmmm….
Lamar Miller? guess go ahead
Reshard Mathew? Got him some money. Never played better than he did with Tannehill.
Kenny Stills? His stats are better with Tannehill than Brees…..
Jay Ajayi……coincidence his stats have never been as good as with Thilll…
albert wilson through 7 games had better stats than several of his other years.
Nah, Ryan Tannehill is a fucking bum he doesn’t make anyone better. Just all these guys were coincidentally better with him.
That’s right they all made him better. (but couldn’t do it with other QB’s for one reason or other)
more than half the linemen who have blocked for RT are not in the league anymore. For good reason.
Then allow me to ask ya this, man: if we were to trade Tannehill, what round pick do ya believe we could get in exchange? This isn’t a baited question, just asking your opinion, Bro.
I am in full trade down mode this season. I want as many additional pics as possible. Plus the “value” of the positions I would target this season are more aligned for the end of the first round.
Jimmy Johnson recently commented on how Miami should go about their rebuild. He discussed when he became HC that it was impossible to re-sign Troy Vincent and Brian Cox because he had to get the cap in shape and they were both worthy of big contracts. He also talked about trading down and that you don’t go into the draft with that mindset because if there is a player you love you take him. You trade down when that’s not the case.
pheloniusphish says:
February 21, 2019 at 1:44 pm
My favorite California Brewery is still North Coast. Love their Scrimshaw Pils.
Mike E. says:
February 21, 2019 at 1:49 pm
My favorite Cali Brewery is MSpecial!
Ahem. LOL!!!!!! ‘sok Phel, as long as we’re you’re 2nd fav! 😛
Mike gets extra free beer!
I even showed him the bottles I kept of the M Special family when he came to my house.
Certainly my fave Cali beer or any other state.
Phelon wasn’t at the Fest when you sent them.
Jahndoh,
Did you get the chance to hear the Ricky interview I posted last evening? I felt it was really good!
Rockphin says:
February 21, 2019 at 9:45 pm
Brian Hartline wasn’t a great WR he was good, but his best years were with RT
Devon Bess wasn’t a great WR he was good but his best year was with RT
Charles Clay’s best years were with RT
you know who Mike wallace caught the most TD’s from in a season? It was a tie with Big Rape and RT
Jarvis landry’s best seasons?? Hmmmmm….
Lamar Miller? guess go ahead
Reshard Mathew? Got him some money. Never played better than he did with Tannehill.
Kenny Stills? His stats are better with Tannehill than Brees…..
Jay Ajayi……coincidence his stats have never been as good as with Thilll…
albert wilson through 7 games had better stats than several of his other years.
Nah, Ryan Tannehill is a fucking bum he doesn’t make anyone better. Just all these guys were coincidentally better with him.
That’s right they all made him better. (but couldn’t do it with other QB’s for one reason or other)
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I actually love this take. I’m with Mike E in my sentiment: He had plenty of chances/time here and yes, it was not perfect (coaching turnover mainly) but if he goes somewhere else and tears it up, I won’t be disappointed at all. I personally will root for him when he’s gone. He’s a good kid. He’s a good, not great QB. There aren’t many in the world with his skillset, it just happens that those that do have that skillset (or better) are all NFL QBs too.
Yes I did. I love Ricky. I like seeing him doing well, and it seems like he is.
That’s for you M13!
That my dawg!!! 😀
Yeah, man… I feel really good for our guy Ricky!
RIP…Peter Tork
Yes… so very talented. May he RIP with Davy Jones. Very saddening… 😦
Rock,
And what’s your proof it was Tannehill and not how they were used? Scheme? Or something else? And if it was him, why just those few guys out of tons of guys he’s thrown the ball to?
I wasn’t going to say anything (hoping someone else would catch it), but arguably, Davone Bess’ worst season in Miami was with Tannehill at QB.
58.7% catch for Davone in ’12. That’s pretty sad.
Yes He did drop a bunch of balls in 12
But his average per catch with the highest of square and his yardage would have been the highest of his career too
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Meanwhile, Sabres players have to ponder tonight’s flight back home to snowy, sub-freezing, Buffalo where the taxes are high and the temperatures are low.
M13,
I was done with Tannehill years ago. I’ve never seen a guy get so much blind allegiance for so little winning. If we can get a 5th round pick for him, I’ll be happy.
Brother, I had written an article for the F-ME entitled: “Hitting Receivers In-Stride”. Before releasing it (which I never did) back in ’12, I was taking absolute notice of Tanny’s inability to do as much. I’d hinted at my findings, and the blog was absolutely at my neck for coming after Tannehill… WITHOUT ever releasing my write.
Unlike you, I felt Tanny might be able to correct his misgivings if given a great O-Line, a great coaching team, and great weapons.
To be sure, I gave up on him after the ’17 season (after years of making excuses for him). I wanted us so VERY badly to draft a QB last year, but it never happened. We gave him every single excuse in the book to keep him around for 6 years and saw his faults, but the ‘Tanne-lovers’ wanted to see a 7th year of more of the same.
I respect you for keeping it REAL… I KNOW you gave up on Tanny years ago. I think consistency matters, and you have always been consistent. Thus… PROPS to you, sir!
Yes yes yes props props for For judging with emotional blinders
MF13, in an injury shortened year he had the second most yards in a season with the highest average per reception and the most yard per game of his career. All these guys of had their best seasons with Tannehill it must all be anecdotal evidence Or a bunch of haters can’t open their eyes to see
Randy I have no evidence that can’t be argued that it’s not anecdotal but either do the fucking haters no evidence whatsoever
People throw out there that he doesn’t make players around him better I throw out nine or 10 examples of guys who never played better than they did with him and the response is how do I know it’s not scheme how do I know it’s not something else that made them better.
Well I guess I don’t except for those schemes and those coaches have failed and haven’t succeeded since.
I posted 9-10 examples and the stats can be checked
How do you know it’s not him except for having hate blinders on?
If anecdotal evidence cannot be excepted then no one can say that he doesn’t make players around him better because you can’t post any evidence to the contrary
I’m dropping the mic thanks
Here’s some evidence for you
7-9-0
And just for clarity because there is so much negative emotion tied up with the kid I have never once said he is a Great quarterback I’ve only defended him from people who say he sucks
so you agree, he’s a middle of the road QB
Remember the Jacksonvillew game? how about the Cincinatti game? would you call that evidence?
we’re up 17-3 late in the 3rd qter and tannehill decides to give the ball to the Bengals and we get crushed!
You can not continue with this QB if you’re Ross, people will lose interest in your product.
Man, he loves Tannehill.
He’s STUPID and has zero credibility because of it.
I think Lauren may be jealous.
😉
I get Rock’s point. I always supported RT and I think he is a middle of the road QB. But others have been whining about him since his rookie season. There’s the “shoulda picked Wilson” crowd that overlooks the fact that 32 teams passed Wilson over 74 times before he was selected. The only other QB from that class still playing is Luck.
Then there’s the “shoulda drafted so an so in 20xx” crowd. They overlook everything.
2013 – None of the QB picked are still in the league. Maybe Landry…I think he might be 3rd string somewhere.
2014 – Bortles, Bridgewater and , and Garapolo. 1st two are only marginally still in the league. No one knows how Garapolo will turn out, yet.
2015 – Winston is still playing, but he’s been benched for Fitzgerald repeatedly.
2016 – Goff and Wentz off the board with the 1st two picks. I would say the jury is still out on both.
2017 – Trubisky picked at 2, Mahomes and Watson at 10 and 11. Miami selected at 22.
2018 – This would have been the year, but RT was coming off injury after his best season ever and the top 4 QB were off the board when Miami picked. Mayfield was the only one who was worth moving up for and he went number1. The other three had atrocious rookie seasons and may or may not become okay QB.
So basically, middle of the road or not, RT has been better than any QB realistically available since he was drafted. He has hit his ceiling, but with the right team can be successful in a Dilfer kind of way. However, as ORob points out, the fan base in Miami needs some ray of hope – change for change’s sake – a clean slate- new start. So RT has to go.
None of the options this year are particularly good. It’s just whose the best choice among the bad choices. Not that Miami shouldn’t take one of them if the opportunity presents itself and then shoot for another next year as well. But they shouldn’t trade up or pass over a blue chipper for one this year.
And to get it out of the way early today – Fuck Kaepernick and all socialists.
yeah! fuck those evil Canadian bastards!
maybe we take the Alabama Tackle at 13, Williams….With James set to make big $$$ can we afford that and still pay Tunsil when he hits the FA button?
That would seem reasonable and it would probably get us a 3rd round comp pick next year.
Rob – Sure we can pay Tunsil. If we cut all the guys I expect to cut, we should have about $70M in cap space before signing James, which should be a $10-12M per year salary. If we get him for less, we did great.
Pat Flaherty, new OL coach says he’s looking forward to working with james. That doesn’t mean we’re going to sign him, but it might mean we like him more than people think we do.
Rather have a more complete OT and a third comp next year. Going to suck this year regardless.
Out of all the UFA, James has the the most comp pick value. Plus he is 27. By the time Miami hits stride after the rebuild, he will be 30 and starting the downhill of his career. Wake is next, but probably only good for a 5th or 6th comp pick.
MF13, in response to your question of what is Tannehill worth in trade compensation, that is subjective and impossible to say with certainty.
Was A.J. Feeley worth the 2nd round pick the Dolphins sent to Philly? Was Tannehill better than him?
Was Culpepper worth the 2nd round pick the Dolphins used to get him? Did Tannehill play better for Miami than Culpepper?
Jimmy Garappalo had thrown less than 100 passes and 5 TD’s in his career was he worth a 2nd?
Nick Foles was traded for a 2nd round pick was he worth it? (I say yes)
It is so arbitrary it is hard to say what the value of what two people negotiating over will be.
ocalarob says:
February 22, 2019 at 6:58 am
so you agree, he’s a middle of the road QB
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My opinion is that he has the ability to be better than middle of the road, but I will concede that is what he has been. (slightly better than 1/2 the league)
Phelon – If I had the choice of signing James, or drafting an OT in the 1st RD and then getting a 3rd RD comp pick, I’d rather sign James. We need either a QB, DT, DE or CB in RD 1
ocalarob says:
February 22, 2019 at 6:57 am
Here’s some evidence for you
7-9-0
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LAZY RESPONSE
wins are a team stat
How many times have the dolphins taken the lead in the 4th only to have the other team drive down the field and take the lead back with no problem?
I like the way you deflect certain aspects that do not favor Tannehill as a “Team-Stat”
yeah, like the defense giving up a game winning TD after the offense took the lead?
Son, I hope you realize when I am on you that it is mostly tongue in cheek as if we are standing outside Dave and busters with beers in our hands. Most of my comments to you on here would be followed by an elbow nudge and a wink / smile if we were standing next to each other.
I fully expect the team to move on from Tannehill. The only stupid part of it would be to fire him out of a fit of emotional pique before TRYING to get what ever you can for him. (even if it is only a 7th round pick)
Not that the Devil needs an advocate, but I am always here to be it!
Both Walter and Charlie on walterfootball have us taking Kyler Murray. They just both think Ross is going to influence that pick. That’s presumptuous.
I heard Oakland is taking him #4, i sure hope we don’t take him. I find it hard to believe that these NE coaches would want a 5’9 180 lbs QB, especially at #13.
and the baseball team that drafted him offered to beat any NFL contract he gets, seems risky whomever takes him, he could just go play baseball which would be a smart thing to do. meanwhile the team that drafted him eats that pick.
too small too risky.
I don’t see it either Rob.
I think that is presumptuous too. Ross is on record that he is going to let Grier do his job without interference.
Randy says:
February 21, 2019 at 10:43 pm
Rock,
…….. why just those few guys out of tons of guys he’s thrown the ball to?
The ONLY starter I left off the list (besides those who have never played anywhere else) is Dion Sims. Who also had his best years with RT. Who are these TONS of other guys you speak of?
No doubt Rock, I have elbows too though.
I know. LOL I just always imagine you as we stand outside smoking laughing at each other. (I am ONE YEAR without a cigarette or nicotine replacement today BTW!)
pheloniusphish says:
February 21, 2019 at 4:11 pm
I was disappointed that RT’s pocket presence never improved. I think it is one of those skills that you have or you don’t. Can’t be taught or learned.
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He didn’t have a natural feel for the position. Most of what he did was get by on exceptional athletic ability which even that took hit after the knee injury. Easily the pocket presence and natural feel for how to move in the pocket (he always stepped back as instinct instead of forward or lateral) and that absolutely never improve, even in the slightest.
He didnt throw to a spot he threw to the receiver. His arm strength was good enough to get it there but he was behind the receiver on crossing routes a lot, and that is the worst place to miss on those routes.
He also was not football smart. He would either pick a receiver and wait for him to get open holding on to the ball too long, or he progress to a different receiver and never loop back to his primary read which was getting open. Instead he ran through the progression and hit the end and paniced because nothing was open when he first looked their way.
It all boils down to the guy really was a natural athlete and should have stayed at receiver because i believe he would have been a magnificent one. Now on the flip side, he probably would have never made as much as he has already made int he NFL because he stayed at QB, so financially smart, just career stupid. I personally would rather be remembered for being a top tier receiver than a failed first round QB, btu to each their own.
After my discussion with D yesterday about my drafting tendencies I decided to go 100% BPA. if the player was at the top of list I picked him regardless of my procedures about position value, etc.
THe football gods threw me a bone and I still filled a bunch of needs. (Of course when you need everything that is easy.)
I did trade back with NE in the 2nd to get another 2nd.
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Bosa will not slip to 13. he was ranked #1 on this board, no idea why he slipped to me.
Demarcus Christmas in the 6th is a helluva pick too. Vosean Jospeh was a nice pick in the 3rd.
It’s kinda surprising how much play Tannehill is getting on this station.
That’s like, so last year, man.
We need to catch us a new, groovy tune.
Until he’s traded or cut, the record is still on the turntable. Hopefully that will be that end of it, but don’t count on it! lol
Wasnt for Henne though the record wasnt played as much, so hopefully same with Tanny.
Brian Hartline wasn’t a great WR he was good, but his best years were with RT ***** Hartline didnt have a career after Tanny, he drug out the tail end of his NFL life in a town where they had worse QB’s and a worse overall team.
Devon Bess wasn’t a great WR he was good but his best year was with RT ***** See above but even worse he got into drugs and flamed out faster.
Charles Clay’s best years were with RT ******* See above again, worse QB situation, disaster of a team. He was also a focus of our team the last year before he went on to Buffalo, and in Buffalo the focus of their offense was running game.
you know who Mike wallace caught the most TD’s from in a season? It was a tie with Big Rape and RT ****** He best overall statistical seasons were with Ben, TD’s yeah tie, but we also HAD to throw to him or he made baby sounds and quit playing for the rest of the game.
Jarvis landry’s best seasons?? Hmmmmm…. ****** See above, 1 year with a new QB, a rookie who started with the one’s after the season was already started.
Lamar Miller? guess go ahead ****** Had a bigger role in our offense, has spent most the time hurt since going to the Texans, also has significant talent in depth behind him and because of that is more a rotational back now than a starter.
Reshard Mathew? Got him some money. Never played better than he did with Tannehill. ***** Agreed on him, but again, he only really had success the last year with us, and that year he had become the primary receiver in our offense.
Kenny Stills? His stats are better with Tannehill than Brees…..***** Most yardage he ever had was with Brees, the best YPC was with Brees. Most reciving yards per game Brees. This with him being like the 3rd target in that offense. Only stat he had that was better was TD’s with 9, again, because he was our WR1.
Jay Ajayi……coincidence his stats have never been as good as with Thilll… ***** Injuries and rotational back in the Philly system, same as Lamar.
albert wilson through 7 games had better stats than several of his other years ***** Not the primary guy in KC, he was our play-maker, he was their slot guy and gimmic guy.
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Im not saying that you dont have some credibility with your look at things, i like the fact you put those things together, but you know as well as i do, Tanny didnt elevate anyone. The OL definitely didnt help him, specifically OG position has been extremely weak for us his whole career, but the guy didn’t make crucial improvements and just didn’t have the natural instincts for the position. He was a converted WR, an excellent college QB, where athletic ability will make you excel over others, but he is not a NFL QB, or at least not one that should be consider a franchise player.
he WAS NOT a converted WR. He was a QB that played WR his first years in college because he wanted to get on the field and there were established starters in front of him. He was a QB in Peewee, he was a QB in high-school and he attended every QB meeting in college and was on the QB depth chart while starting at WR.
Like i said he was the best athlete on the field which by default is what each of those previous stops had him as the QB, in the NFL is where there becomes more to being a QB than just being a good athlete. In the NFL that makes you a RB or WR.
The way i look at drafting is this. I do carry a little position bias, if the team is in a dire need of a certain position, but like with your draft up there. If Bosa was there for us, i wouldnt have cared what QB was also available, i would have taken Bosa. I dont let the position bias override the value of the pick, i juts let it make a decision for me if i have a bunch of guys on a similar level that i might let that bias be the decision maker. When i find myself with several choices all about the same level and no real tie breaker to use, thats when im thinking trade back and if i have 5-6 different players i like, i feel at least safe enough to trade ack 5-6 spots probably even 9-10 spots. Thats my who pattern for drafting is to keep making the smart decision, and the most valuable for the team at every pick.I do think sometimes there is value in trading up even, and though id be less likely to do so, its not going to be something i ever put aside just because its a rebuilding year or whatever.
Rock do you feel a QB is a wasted pick this year, even a developmental guy?
No, I just don’t think the ones that will be pushed up the boards this year into the top of the first round are sure thing guys. They are like the list of 75% of the first round picks in the last 10 years who didn’t become franchise guys.
If a guy is there who they feel is worth #13 I hope they take him and that it works out. I just don’t think any of them are worth trading up for. (or taking at 13 if the rest are gone. (Ie. Grier / Jackson)
I have taken several QB’s in my mocks so far this year. Even at #13.
Rockphin says:
February 22, 2019 at 10:42 am
I know. LOL I just always imagine you as we stand outside smoking laughing at each other. (I am ONE YEAR without a cigarette or nicotine replacement today BTW!)
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Grats but you know those nicotine butt plugs count too….right?
Hardy har har
I DID say no nicotine replacement.
I think as you are getting rid of your habit i may be picking up one. I have gotten to where i really crave a cigar. Im still not to the point i NEED one, but i have gotten to the point where when im chilling at my house not doing much that i hear that little voice that says “man how relaxing it would be to just go get one of the cigars and sit out there on your deck with a beer”
I am not a fan of the Dophins taking Murray though. No matter what round.
I would take him possibly second but for sure 3rd on. I think he is one of those guy who could be like catching lightning in a bottle, but i just dont think we are one of the teams that can afford to run that risk with our first round selection. Haskins, Jones and Lock are all worth us using 13 on IMO, Grier i could use a first on but i would trade back some.
I really dont think id trade up for any of the QB’s but id take the tree i mentioned at 13, id take Grier with a trade back. After that id probably take any of the following QB’s with a trade back to late second or anytime after: Stidham, Jackson, Shumur, Fitzgerald. After 4th id add in any of these guys: Kempt, McSorley, Minshew, Rypien. Finally as roll the dice guy if i hadnt taken anyone earlier: Stiick, Hansen, or Browning.
well, I’ll defer to you on that. I am on record saying I don’t pay any attention to these guys until the Dolphins are out of the playoff hunt each year. I only watch playoff / bowl games in college. (I don’t have a favorite team and there are just way to freaking many of them)
College football is big with me. I mean i think i just love football because im also really loving the AAFL, but down this way, it can be just the opposite of you, a lot here dont at all keep up with the NFL and only watch college.
Throw away the key! 😂
https://amp.tmz.com/2019/02/22/robert-kraft-named-in-prostitution-sting/
Oh happy day
The only thing that would make it better is if Brady announces his retirement
Wouldn’t him being part of the findings in the investigation be better? The you get to be rid of him and have his legacy tarnished all in one.
Everyone already knows Brady is Krafts bitch
I love the fact it happened in Florida. Maybe Ross finally used some of his NYC business tactics
If he contests….. that would be one fun jury selection.
I would love to be on that trial. Bob Kraft getting a fair jury in Florida
I guess Krafts balls are deflated now
D – I have the same issue with cigars. My wife can’t stand it. I crave a cigar and a glass of bourbon, and she doesn’t mind if I’m with a bunch of people socially and I smoke one, but if I smoke one by myself, she gets angry. I find myself getting to the weekend and I just want to light one up.
Bob Kraft your team just won the Super Bowl, what are you going to do next?
“I’m going to bang some ho’s in Florida”
Ken! How the F are ya?
Good just busy as all hell
Ken says:
February 22, 2019 at 12:28 pm (Edit)
I love the fact it happened in Florida. Maybe Ross finally used some of his NYC business tactics
I was thinking whoever is in charge of this investigation isn’t a Patriots fan. 😂
hah hah hahah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah
Weeee weeee weeee
“Officials say Kraft is accused of soliciting a prostitute on at least 2 separate occasions at a massage parlor in Florida roughly a month ago.” — how stupid is this guy? Or is he just cheap? Clearly he has enough money to figure out something more discrete.
Maybe he likes the dirty action
Rub & Tug Rob !! Too funny.
I’m so done with Tannehill I can’t even get excited about a thrashing good debate over him. LOL
it will all be over soon and we can start the cycle with the next disappointment.
Police have just released the video evidence in the Kraft case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RnqTTNO3nI
Can’t wait to see the inevitable “2019 Happy Ending for the Patriots?” headlines
It’s going to be bonus footage on the Super Bowl LIII Blue-ray from Sports Illustrated.
Mike E. says:
February 22, 2019 at 12:46 pm
D – I have the same issue with cigars. My wife can’t stand it. I crave a cigar and a glass of bourbon, and she doesn’t mind if I’m with a bunch of people socially and I smoke one, but if I smoke one by myself, she gets angry. I find myself getting to the weekend and I just want to light one up.
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Bourbon is probably my favorite pair with a good cigar, close second being Scotch. These Sour Ales and Lambic ales i have been drinking recently pair really well with them too, especially the infused cigars.
Do you have a favorite cigar label?
Yes I do. Not that I’m the most experienced smoker, but I love Don Pepin Blue Labels, and My Father. I have tried others I like too, but those are the ones I keep buying. A friend of mine who is really into cigars gave me a barbecue flavored cigar, it was so good at first, but then it got kind of old.
I had a Nat Sherman cigar that was good too, but I like the Don Pepin’s the bestest so far. Also have had a couple of Cuban cigars, but I can’t get a hold of those on a regular basis, a friend gave it to me.
Mike E., you have no ideal of how dirty he was doing.
LOL – I’m sure of that PP. 🙂
Phelon — that was your brother’s neck of the woods. Gotta believe are or will be some stories about Kraft at the bars around there that don’t hit the news.
Yep
D – Do you have a favorite cigar, or favorites?
I like most the stuff from Drew Estates, i like their ACID infused lin, and their Naturals line the most, but they have several i like. I like some of the CAO stuff, Romeo and Juliet isnt bad, Punch was the brand i started out with but i haven’t smoked any of their in a long time.
line not lin
Oliva Serie V Melanio or My Father Flor De Las Antilles Maduro. The MaCallan 12 y/o double casked or a Knob Creek Rye Manhattan.
Some combination of one with the other.
Oh yeah i just tried the Oliva ones, they are really good, great tabacco taste and smell. The way i found out about them was i was walking out from picking up a cigar and a dude was smoking one outside and i caught a whiff of it while i was passing and had to ask him what he was smoking and then i went back in and bout a couple to try out. Very nice cigar.
Knob Creek Rye is some strong ass shit. Its a punch in the mouth if you aren’t prepared for it and havent let it breath a little.
Sure- I’m using the 100 proof, but I am cutting 2 ounces with an half ounce of vermouth, so it’s a little less bitey- lol.
They have some burbon infused cigars too, like Makers Mark has its own Cigar that has the burbon infused into it.
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I think the barbecue cigar was acid infused. I couldn’t think of the process, pretty sure that’s it. I may be going to a Cigarfest in Pennsy in May. You get a ton of cigars, samples of different products, but it’s expensive, $275
A lot of times what ill do is go online and buy a sampler from a certain manufacturer to try out a few different ones from them, find my favorite and what ones to re-visit.
TryPod – Yeah, that’s the My Father cigar I smoke, it has what looks like 2 women on the label, one wearing a red dress, one naked? LOL – Not sure.
I’m not sure.. there are several labels and they start to meld into one in my mind.
I like those grape flavored cigars that you can get two in a pack at the gas station
LOL Everyone i know guts those and refills them with something better than tobacco.
Like right now one of the places ill get them from have the Don Pepin Blue 24 7X50 123.00
That’s a good price
My son bought me the Booker bourbon for my birthday, it’s really strong, too strong if you ask me,. It’s 130 proof
Ya need to try the Jefferson’s Ocean. Its expensive but its really worth it.
Is that the one they make on ships? That does look interesting as hell
I’m really fond of the Elmer T Lee, but it’s a small batch and hard to get.
Yeah they sail it back and forth the equator to get the cold to hot to cold process thats needed for aging it and they also say that its somehow exposed to the salty air which does something to it. I have had it, its definately a little different and i like it. Its kind of explensive here, at about 110.00 for a 5th, but most shit is expensive in Alabama. I have seen it online for less though so oyu can probably find it there for slightly under 100
The story about Robert Kraft isn’t just about him being with a prostitute but it was a human trafficking ring.
Well he has nothing to do with the human trafficking part, or at least its not saying he knows about it being human trafficking.
That’s true but human trafficking is a supply and demand trade and many of the demand are very wealthy people. Just like the many wealthy who travel to Thailand.
True, but they would have to prove he knew it was a human trafficking situation, all they have him on right now i think would be prostitution. There are some trafficking things though where the reason these people are clients of that place is they are in on what its all about, if thats the case, he is super fucked.
TryPod loves cigars, but hates Makers Mark infused cigars? It seems like overkill, I’d rather drink it than smoke it.
Yes- not really find of Maker’s Mark, either. Not a true bourbon, technically.
Fond*
I like it better to dip it when it comes to the bourbon infusion. The infusion ones i have have a sweet taste to them that really sets off the tobacco flavor IMO
Mikey, do you have a high count humidor or do you buy and smoke, ie not keep cigars on hand?
Not a high count, I don’t smoke enough to warrant that. Mine holds about 16 cigars
D, human trafficking is one of the most disgusting things humans do to each other and many of the victims are minors. Not saying Kraft knows anything but I would think he’s not that dumb.
Well i mean if you go to a place for a prostitute you probably arent looking into where they get their girls. I agree its a disguting thing but i dont know if he was there because he knew they were trafficked or underage or whatever, or if he went there looking for a prostitute and the place just happen to use traffic’d girls. Like i said, if he had knowledge thats going to come out and the patriots will be owned by a different guy very soon. It might be anyways, but if its found out he was involved with human trafficking its going to be a immediate thing. NFL cant have that be part of their image. SF’s owner DiBartolo (sp?) did a lot less and lost his franchise because of it.
Human trafficking is one of the reasons prostitution should be legal because the black market is always there to provide and everything is far worse when they control it.
I totally agree with you Tim
I think that’s our liberterian streak
I’m pretty liberal about a lot of issues
but I don’t like gov’t intereference with our bodies is acceptable
add when you get into issues like drugs and sex – I like to keep the govt out
I laugh at Kraft but frankly I think the police doing sting job like this is a waste of tax resources
So what Kraft wanted a rub and tug
Human trafficking is a problem and if you legalize this stuff, you can stop minors and vulnerable people from being exploited
Trypod – Elmer T is good stuff, but hard to find. Haven’t seen any in Virginia for a couple of years. I like Filibuster as a kind of house bourbon, but I usually have a dozen or so on my bar for variety. Blood Oath 4 is really good ($125) as is Wild Turkey Decades ($150). I like pretty much all of the High Prairie stuff. Blade and Bow and Bib and Tucker are both very good.
Most of it runs $40 to $50.
I’m in the learning phase when it comes to bourbon, being primarily a Scotch drinker. I have a friend who works marketing for Beam Suntory, who’s married to a finance (vp?) for Sazerac. I also live in Louisville, so there’s something new I learn daily.
Lucky you. I like Sazerac’s stuff too. The 1792 is really good and only 30 bucks a bttle.
D – I watched this show all about bourbon called Bourbontucky and they explained the whole process of making the Jefferson Ocean. They said it tastes better because the rocking motion of the ships allows the bourbon to take the flavor from the barrels better because of the sloshing around they do as the ships rock back and forth.
Human trafficking and bourbon and cigars on the Dolphins blog! LOVE IT!
LOL @ the comments.
Yeah those are pretty good, BateGate lol
Piggy, agreed with your comments at 3:02. Society via the government makes all kinds of things illegal for moral reasons and we end up with worse than it should be and they still keep it that way. It’s fucked up!
But it won’t stop me from poking fun at Kraft
I truly dont see that the minor stuff would be stopped by legalizing prostitution. I think those are independent of one another. People who go after the minors aren’t doing that because prostitution isnt legal, they are doing it because they have a thing for kids, or are into the forced aspect of the trafficked person. If prostitution is legalized they are going to still be looking for that stuff, so they will still be chancing the legal issues to get their fetish fix.
Legalizing prostitution would remove the pimp aspect of generic prostitution, and some of the violence that comes with pimps and madams. Its not going to affect human trafficking. I see your point about what your saying but i think the link you see between the two isnt there.
Human trafficking can be stopped by two things, eradication of the traffickers or a complete drop off in demand for it. The people who want it are fucked up, so that demand is always going to be there, and im sure you wouldn’t want to legalize children prostituting themselves would you?
I get your fetish points but many prostitutes are forced into it. I’m not saying legalizing prostitution will eliminate sleaze bags but black market circles intertwine and they create multiple types of despair.
I think it might help with some aspects of the violence in the sex trade, but its not going to affect human trafficking, its a different group of people supplying the demand for that than there is in normal prostitution circles. Im not saying its wrong, and if its legal there can be regulations applied and rules, etc. Still to me these are two very different subjects, and its why i was saying Kraft could either get a tarnish to his rep and a slap on the wrist or he may completely lost the team and end up in jail for a very long time, simply by whether his actions crossed that line. There had to be a reason he picked that place, and if the reason was he had knowledge of where those women came from, he is a dead man walking.
It’s he pimps that are controlling the minors
Forget about the motivation of people who seek out minors – those dudes are perverts and a lost cause, it’s about stopping people that profit from it
If you legalize an industry
That industry pays taxes
And subscribed to general govt oversight in everything they do
Including the age of their employees
A employer has payroll taxes
And payroll taxes need social security numbers and employee ID numbers
So you can prevent a legit industry from hiring minors
Just like we prohibit coal mines from hiring minors since we had child labor laws
Once you legitimize an industry, you can regulate it
I do agree with you about eradication of the traffickers
-and I would add to that, that takes global jurisdiction
Not saying Kraft is an active part of it, but if you are going to a massage parlor, there is an extremely high possibility that human trafficking is going on in the place. That particular form of prostitution is a major issue, and by frequenting those places you are contributing to the problem. (I should clarify, I am only speaking with direct knowledge of Northern CA. I can’t speak with authority on the east coast or other parts of the states.)
I used to be part of a unit that dealt with the licensing, regulating, and sting operations for all these places in Sac county. It didn’t matter if it was Asian or Russian, the girls in these places often live in the location, are caged like animals with no rights, and invariably are the only ones that take the rap.
It was a constant battle to implement regulations attempting to punish the actual perpetrators, but the layers of insulation makes the task nearly impossible. And forget getting any of these girls to roll over on the real bad guys. Usually there is leverage in the form of family members back home.
Well if it’s legal, then you can regulate the workplaces and prevent exploitation of vulnerable people
I’m a proponent of legalizing prostitution, but it’s not nearly as simple as that. Legalizing will not solve the issues.
These places bring in so much money, the common tactic was to close shop, and start somewhere new. We created regulations that would not allow a massage parlor to move in were a previous one had been busted for a period of 2 years. That got the landlords involved and on our side instead of being an impediment. The owners of these places then just started closing up shop and reopening at a different location. Then you have jurisdictional BS. We’ll just open up across the street in the city territory, etc.
These same problems would exist even if legal. We already have all the authority we need to enter these places, and search at will. Legalizing would just create different markets.
Ever seen those shows on the cat houses in Nevada? Those women are there by choice. Even if the choice doesn’t always work out like they planned, still their choice. Not sure how all that different from strippers…. even if wouldn’t want my daughter if had one to do that either.
Yeah and they aren’t minors either …far from it
Kong
I see your point
But if every juridction is bound by the same standards? You can’t just close shop and pop up somewhere else to benefit from jurisdictional limitations
My thing is this, yes contributing to the exploitation of another human being is in essence condoning it and being a part of the fabric of it.
Say though you are a college kid and your buddies and you are out at night getting drunk, and a buddy says, some dude told me that place was a rub and tug, why dont we stop off for a “massage”. You dont know that this place is a sex trafficking front, you just know your drunk and you wanna get jerked off.
Thats a whole lot different than you are a business man and a contact you have gives you a special invite card to visit the place and tells you, these are some girls they brought in straight from Russia, they dont even speak english and im pretty sure most of them aren’t over 14.
You go there because thats what you are looking for, is intent to contribute to the trafficking, where as the first group, yeah they knew they were breaking the law getting a prostitute but they didnt know any of the rest of that shit. I just see those as different things.
I’m not disagreeing that they are are two different things.
I think your average citizen has no concept of how these girls are treated and the conditions in which they live. If they did, maybe they wouldn’t go get jerked off at that place, and instead would drive the 2 hours to NV were it’s legal, or maybe not.
I bring it back to what Phelon said about cocaine. Your average party user is just a person having some fun, not trying to hurt anyone, but trace that coke back far enough and it’s being made by people being exploited in the worst way, and no matter ho you slice it, by using your contributing, ignorance or no.
Way I figure it trying to stop prostitution is like trying to stop people from using drugs. And we all saw how prohibition worked out outlawing my drug of choice that have shared with more than a few of with you guys at the Fest. Gonna be there no matter what you do. So then Q is what is best case scenario on it. Smoke a lot of illegal pot back in the day, but now legal in many states.
Its a damned if you do damned if you dont scenario. Even with the drug discussion, legalizing Marijuana doesnt curb the drug trade, it makes it not profitable to deal in pot. There are still drugs like Heroin etc. There is still a market for it, and the drug dealer will shift their product lines. You curbed SOME of the drug things, but you didnt stop anything. So you say well then make Heroin legal, and then Coke and whatever else. The same argument can be applied here. You want to kill trafficking you have to make it so any man or woman can get whatever they want whenever they want so that means opening it up to children, etc, because a man who wants to be with a 10 year old girl isnt going to go, oh well now that prostitution is legal now i want older women. He is still gonna want the 10 year old girl and he is still going to go through illegal channels to get it. You dont change that aspect of prostitution by legalizing it unless you are really talking about ALL prostitution including the disgusting stuff.
Can’t stop the dude that wants little girls only, but legalizing for adults would cut down on the human trafficking stuff you and Cav talked about, even if flip side like legalized pot might be increase demand for that as well.
The Patriots still cannot finish in Miami
I think they finished Kraft off
Best day ever
Nothing is ever perfect but you can make things better by eliminating as much black market as possible. People knowing they can legally get something without fear of prosecution will dwindle the black market options. Why risk it if you don’t have to.
Because it’s cheaper. Look at what happened to the cost of pot in CA after legalization. I think the black market is actually stronger now because it’s legal.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. Like I said, I am a proponent of legalization. But it is only a first step.
You could also argue is that the thing that keeps some people from doing it is the fact its illegal, so in essence the laws are probably as effective as legalization at stopping some people from being involved. There are a lot of ways to attack a problem and none of them are actually going to be as effective as anyone wants. Anyone that is concerned about all of this wants to to be gone, but its not going to be because humans are dirty disgusting selfish things.
Honestly I think they way you stop an activity is to crack down on that activity directly
rather than cracking down on things you think are related to that activity
so if you want to sop human trafficking, zero in on that, not prostitution
if you want to stop meth, zero in on that
not marijuana
I don’t understand criminalization of generilzations rather than criminalization of a specific act.
I can go on and on this subject, but some is more controversial than others so I will stop
Pig,
Jurisdictional standard consistency is a pipe dream. The whole idea of states, counties, and cities, is so you can create regulations that work for your citizens. By definition there are going to be convoluted differences all over the place.
Sorry to post and run in the middle of a good convo, but I have to get back to work.
Cheers!
Oh, and good to see ya on the board, Ken!
I don’t really think its a pipe dream
Yeah different areas have different morals
and each area has to represent its own residents and interests
but in some cases, depending on the activity, there is uniformity
its illegal to suppress speech in every jurisdiction, bc we have a 1st amendment that prevents it
Not that I think this is the right place for a constitutional amendment – just saying, there are ways to make sure multiple jurisdictions are on the same page to crack down on the same conduct
Wouldn’t eliminating a lot of black markets allow law enforcement to focus on the few that are still operating? Now they have to target all of it and that’s a lot of resources.
Yes
Not really any differently no, because just like with the drug stuff, they have task forces for major things like trafficking or cocaine running, vs simple prostitution and a dude who sells dime bags at the kwick stop. Most the time the cops dont target those guy or those women, they actually use them to bust the bigger fish and they hope those fish lead to bigger ones etc etc.
cops target small fish all the time
some times its just easier
it shouldn’t be discretionary
You guys want for the right thing and i applaud your optimism, but its not that simple. I do agree that it would help eliminate the market for some things, but the truly dangerous stuff, the truly gortesque things that are going on, you arent going to touch that shit. How far are ya willing to go, how many drugs should be made legal? how many sex crimes should? Where is the end of that slippery slope?
I don’t think its just optimism
its effective in some places
you will never eliminate it – but you can combat it by focusing on it instead of addressing it with a broad stroke
The slippery slope question is applicable to every judgment call
and its still a judgment call at the end of the day
you just have to apply your judgment and pick and choose what is legal and what’s not – no one said its easy or there are simple answers for it or that everyone will agree
but, its unavoidable that a slippery slope exists on every judgment call anyone ever makes