If you’re a real football fan, you know the schedule comes out this evening at 8PM EST. You also know I ain’t got no details fer ya, because there aren’t any details to give. We know besides our divisional foes that we’ll be hosting the Baltimore Ravens, Los Angeles Chargers, Cincinnati Bengals, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Redskins. We’ll be traveling to play the Cleveland Browns, Dallas Cowboys, Indianapolis Colts, Pittsburgh Steelers and the NY Giants, as well as our divisional foes. All this will take place precisely between September and December, so plan accordingly.
News is very slow at this time of year, and although the NFL Draft is just 8 days away, we know no more about what our plans are or which players we’re really interested. Job well done Miami Dolphins! That’s how it should be. Our local Miami beat reporters must be losing their collective minds. This is business done the way it should be done. Now all they have to do is actually ace every pick in this draft, do the same in 2020, and we’re on our way to championship football, right?
This evening past 8PM EST the first deliberations will begin for the 2019 Fest. The poll will probably go up tomorrow, or maybe the next day, depends on when Counselor Piggy is available. Rock will vote about 20-30 times for a game no one else wants to attend, and make sure to tell us too.
Next week, I’ll reveal my favorite players for this year’s draft (ooooh, I bet you can’t wait!). I may even make up a 7 RD Mock of who I’d like us to take, but don’t count on it. I saw some chatter that we will do a LIVE Mock Draft here this evening at 8PM EST. I encourage you all to participate, the more people in the better it will be. I know we’ll do RD 1, and if you all are enthusiastic enough to keep it going, maybe we’ll do RD 2 and more. So if you can make it, tonight at 8PM EST. LIVE Mock Draft!
Finsmob Unleashed 
There’s still gonna be some descent edge guys in the 3rd too!
Anthony Nelson (DE) Iowa
Ben Banogu (DE) TCU
Austin Bryant (DE) Clemson
Isaiah Buggs (DE/DT) Alabama
I like Buggs… he’d be a very good decision. And don’t sleep on Kingsley Keke, either.
Nelson will be good!
Buggs is growing on me!
If we were going 3-4 I’d push him up to the second!
Keke as a DT, not as a DE… but then again, we’ll be switching people around all the time. Keke would be a KILLER DE in run-sits.
Welcome phinpup to this collection of senior types who…. let’s say have our moments. LOL
thanks tim im aware of them senior moments. my dad has plenty of them!
Gotta run. Peace to Wyoming and Tim!
Night all!
May all your QB dreams be prolific! 😉
Pup what’s up! Look at you blogging on dad’s site!
my site now! us youngsters taking over……where are your sons at!
Awesome! My younger son Lucas is right next to me, Brian is in Asbury Park NJ with his friends.
sign them up! get them on. tell Brian to get on the blog hes cool as shit!
Krishna – Don’t sweat it man, no apology necessary. You and your lovely wife just be happy healthy and that’s good for me.
Just back from Passover Seder and too much of this stuff . . .
I can empty a bottle and call it Passover !! Damn Passover happens a lot at my house 😎👍🐕
It’s that easy! 🙂
Goodnight Pup – I need to get some zzzzzz’s, I have to be at work at 8 AM. See ya at the Fest!
Tim Knight says:
April 19, 2019 at 11:10 pm (Edit)
If Jawaan Taylor is there for us and I don’t think he will be, I think we take him. I think we want to build a team that can run the ball when it wants to and has to. He would help in that vision. Tunsil and Taylor would quality cornerstones at tackle for both run and pass. You don’t have to pay him $50M and I think he’s better than James.
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Yuck! If we draft an OL at #13 I’m going to be very upset. It better either be a DT, DE or QB. It will disgust me to see us throw away another 1st RD pick an the O-line.
Get your QB or DL with the 1st pick, and then get a guy like this in the 2nd or even better the 3rd RD.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/max-scharping?id=32195343-4808-3616-ff9b-04768d49e58e
We can get one of those difficult name to pronounce guys too, like Yodny Cajuste, probably 3rd RD.
Welcome Phinpup
good morning guys, my buddy asked me an interesting question. what should Miami do if Haskins falls to 13?
i said We should go for it, we need a QB , and have only drafted one first round QB since 1983.
matter of fact, we should pick QB several years in a row if need be, and trade the ones we dont want
Dilohins have had one first round qb picked over the last 36 years? thats why we dont have a franchise QB<
we rarely try for it
autocorrect changes Dolphins to Dilohins? lmao
im not sure the NFL has a team called Dilohins, but ill check
We should make a mad dash and get our card in with Haskins name on it and then thank the Football Gods for allowing him to fall to us.
That sum seems it up well 😎
I give up, autocorrect hates me, lol
I’ll try again
That sums it up well
If Haskins is there at 13 it is a no brainer
True, and it’s a very safe pick imo.
who can bitch if Miami lands a potential top ten pick at the number 13 slot?
not many
I would have to take Haskins!
But man someone would probably give up 3 picks for that!!!
Google dilohins and see what comes up. lol
I did!
Dolphins came up, lol. Must be a new nickname?
Strange, right?
Yes, Very strange
T-minus 5 days, 10 hours
Countdown to getting a shiny new 1st RD OL! Throw a fuckin party! LOL
Most definitely!
https://www.imgrumweb.com/hashtag/dilohins
Jaylon Ferguson probably won’t be such a behind the LOS defensive star in the NFL.
Watching his highlights , he benefitted greatly because of piss poor blocking, the NFL has much better blockers. He looks great making plays at the NCAA level, but look closer and You will see QB holding the ball too long, poor blocking, etc.
He also clocked a slow time on the cone drill at the combine, for an edge rusher, that means he doesn’t have the Cam Wake bend like We would want to see in an edge rusher, and his cutbacks aren’t as quick as a top edge rusher should be.
This is why evaluations are tough, I see Ferguson all over QB,s. And tackling for losses,
but in the NCAA, not the NFL
I realize it’s a transition for everyone, the NFL is a much tougher playing field. But some make it, others don’t, and I think Ferguson will be a decent NFL player, but not a great one
Buyer beware on him, he’s not a first rounder imo
It’s 6 days 10 hours for that shiny new OL guys
We aren’t taking OL until day 2
Hope you’re right my man, I’m going to be very unhappy if we do.
I think we need OL
But it does feel like an endless cycle after letting James go this offseason
Believe….
I’m still thinking Fitzpatrick won’t benefit from a first round OL.
He can throw interceptions with or without one, better blocking would only mean he has more time to pick out his interception targets, lol
But a first round QB, could be fine behind a second round OL, besides, We already have a first round OL, Tunsil.
While we could certainly use a first round pick at almost every position, QB remains our biggest need at this point
🙂
Interesting , 33 to watch? That’s deep!
That means there should be plenty to pick from in the second round,
There are only 32 picks in the first round, and they won’t all be OL, probably 5-7.
we could get a top ten OL in the second round, there isn’t a pressing need to pick OL in the first
Phinpup was in the House. You’d think one weekend a year hanging with the old farts would be enough. 🙂
Welcome phinpup, You are way cooler than Your father, lol.
Jk phindog😎
Only 6 OT’s are projected starters!
You better get one now that we don’t have a RT!
I don’t like it either!
But there are DE’s to be had later!
And DT all through the draft!
Like I said I REALLY wish we had kept James!
But that’s were we are at!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mixed feelings on James, I think James needs a babysitter, he can’t do it by himself.
It requires a team to always stack a TE on his side, or his flaws will be exposed.
Denver will find this out
My son isn’t really into the Fins like I am.
He will watch a game with Me sometimes, but mainly for the food and beer. Lol
Millennials march to their own beat, he’s a computer nerd
Offensive Tackles
Franchise left / right tackles
1. Jonah Williams, Alabama
2. Dalton Risner, Kansas State
3. Jawaan Taylor, Florida
4. Andre Dillard, Washington State
I’ve firmly been on-board the Jonah Williams train for a long time now — along with basically everyone else. His lack of traditional size and length for the tackle position doesn’t worry me, because he’s so fundamentally sound with all of his position-specific movements. He’s plenty quick in his kick slide, fires his hands at the perfect time on almost every snap, keeps his feet moving once he locks on and is deceptively powerful. He’s an efficient bull dozer as a run blocker too. The only hiccup I’ve noticed with him is “oversetting” to the outside which can leave him susceptible to an explosive inside move.
Risner is kinda/sorta the “lite” version of Williams. Experienced. Mobile. Mean streak. Fundamentals. His anchoring strength isn’t as impressive. Same goes for his athleticism. Taylor, another right tackle, is a dancing panda with immense width, unreal power, and light feet for being 325-plus pounds. His hands get outside in some occasions, but he has the athleticism to recover and never stops his feet.
Dillard is a ridiculous pass protector. He’s seemingly never stressed against speed, and his ability to sit down and anchor against bull rushes is significantly better than many other technicians from Washington State in the Mike Leach era. He reminds me of Terron Armstead. High praise.
Solid starters
5. Greg Little, Ole Miss
6. Yodny Cajuste, West Virginia
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-ranking-all-33-offensive-linemen-to-know-from-jonah-williams-to-michael-deiter/
If We already had a Dan Marino on the roster, I’d say YES, get one of these guys in the first.
But Marino is in the HOF, he doesn’t need blocking anymore, lol
I’m really hoping we get our franchise QB prospect this year, but who knows what the FO will do
I do find it dissapointing most millennials don’t have cars or own houses.
They seem content with UBer or parents to drive them around, and stay with us instead of go make a family., buy a home, etc.
Times are changing,,,,sigh. My son says it’s because they can’t afford those things.
But these aren’t easy to afford for anyone! but we work hard, and smart, , and borrow , steal, pillage what We need, lol.
Chickens coming home to roost maybe? my parents didn’t understand Me either
Most kids these days spend more on internet access than we spent on our first houses!
400$ phones
200$ to 300$ a month on data plans
ETC
Yup
“kids these days” has been going on since some older caveman complained about his son putting too many logs on the fire. My Dad use to biotch about me not turning the lights off when left my bedroom. “If you are going to be gone for more than 20 minutes you turn it off.” He actually had a calculation for how much electricity it takes to turn them on again.
I wasn’t complaining!
I actually laugh at mine for his priority’s
Just the expression on his face when I tell him that if he gave up his phone he could drive a brand new car, is priceless!
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! pick vs multiple picks? when trading back the team that trades back usually gets the better deal.
at this point no player is worth taking at 13 vs trading back for future consideration, i would like to see us trade back and also land a 2020 early pick in the deal.
we need picks, lots of great talent to be had in the latter rounds.
I’m right with you on that ORob unless we have a serious talent faller or a QB. The more cheap contracts the better. And another high first pick busting would set us back.
you eyeball certain players and some of those players you eyeball may be there in the 20s and it wont be a big drop off from the knock down dead talent you could get at 13.
If Haskins is there at 13 there will be teams begging to trade with you to get him, a good QB drives the value of that #13 thru the roof. trade back
He says the millennials want to vote for Bernie, he’s promising government funded health care and education.
I’m not against health care and education, lol. These are very important issues, but I do wonder why no one ever even tries to balance the budget?
I’m certainly not against taxpayers getting representation, but when is the last time We had a balanced budget? Is debt spending substainable forever?
Clinton claimed a balanced budget, but I’m not believing it, he took the social security funds and counted it differently, smoke and mirrors, not balanced budget.
We haven’t had a balanced budget in almost a half century, and no one is doing anything about it, except adding to it faster and faster.
Im not advocating or rejecting Bernie, I suppose his plans are possible if they were part of a sensible budget. And I see tons of areas we could cut back, but for a different day.
Im not trying to get political, but financial.
this is a financial problem thats gone on for decades.
when do we become financially responsible?
If the plan is never, how long can we substain irresponsible spending? Only one way to find out, smh
we are not ready for our franchise QB yet, no need to select Haskins as we will not be contending for 3 years, no need to waste that rookie contract for that long.
pick a QB in the mid to late rounds…Stidham…mischew….keep doing that until you get it right or 3 years down the road go for the number1 guy.
right now is not the time to spend that pick on a franchise QB, by the time we get good we will be paying him 40 mil a year, if we wait we can allocate that money elsewhere.
Why the change of opinion on Haskins? You were high on him before
Imagine if We ran our families finances like the government, lol
Sorry wifey, we spent too much money on stupid shit, and lost the house and cars, but I mortgaged the kids off and bought an even bigger house, lol
My list of Take / don’t trade down
Dwayne Haskins Soph Ohio St. QB
Ed Oliver Jr Houston DT
Jawaan Taylor Jr Florida OT
Jonah Williams Jr Alabama OT
Josh Allen Sr Kentucky OLB
Nick Bosa Jr Ohio St. DE
Quinnen Williams Soph Alabama DT
Not bad!
Dexter Lawrence DT Clemson is the thirteenth highest rated prospect in the draft, according to cbs sports
Most of his highlights came against double team blocking, very impressive!
I think Dexter Lawrence could be a great player for us, He is 6′ 4″ , 340, and very athletic for such a big guy
Mike, I was just saying what I think we’d do if Taylor or Williams were the best players on the board and the defensive guys and QBs we like are gone.
I think (hope and pray) that scenario is very unlikely. There are enough good defenders and QB’s to make that not an issue
12 guys will be gone before we pick. I don’t think Taylor will be there anyway.
David, our new DL coach Marion Hobby coached all the Clemson DL in this draft so he’ll have good insight for our staff on all of them.
Wow, cool, thanks for that
For the record Mike, I would prefer a defensive player.
That’s a relief. lol
LOL, or if they can’t get a QB they like.
Phelon – For you
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/giants-draft-rumors-josh-rosen-may-be-out-of-reach-at-current-trade-price-qb-in-play-at-no-6/
Would you trade our 2nd rd pick for Rosen?
yes,
if Rosen was in the draft this year, he would be a first rounder
Yeah he went #10 last year. I know he struggled as a rookie but he was also on a bad team as we know, they’re selecting #1 this year. But he also showed some good things as well. He has talent. Concerns with Rosen are attitude and durability. I think his attitude is a little overblown. Durability is the bigger concern.
” the Giants aren’t willing to give up either of their first-round picks, “don’t seem inclined to trade” their second-round pick, and don’t think their third-round pick would get the job done.” And reports before where that someone had offered a 2nd for Rosen. And based on the list of teams interested was probably the one with the lowest one (which was the Pats). Given where the Giants pick…. sounds like our 2nd would get it done.
Larry F on Rosen below. Yeah he is a real good guy, but don’t think he’d make stuff up either.
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“As soon as he stepped on campus, he was pretty mature as a man. He’s got a wide array of interests. He’s really intellectually curious. Just overall a fun guy to be around. Football-wise, he’s got some experience, got a couple of games under his belt, and every single week he’s progressing in the right direction with the reads and accuracy and just his knowledge of the system. He’s only going to continue to get better.”
“We’ve been decimated on the offensive line, so it’s been a struggle for him in that. Besides that, he’s been playing outstanding.”
“Fitzgerald went on to say Rosen has ‘unbelievable arm strength” and can make “tight contested throws under duress.'”
Full: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/larry-fitzgerald-offers-reasons-to-be-optimistic-about-josh-rosens-future-with-cardinals/
Oh, I think even Larry would embellish things a little in order to get his team a better pick. Why wouldn’t he?
Walter football mock Has us selecting a guard in the fourth round to address it,
because Miami has the worst OL in the league, and can’t wait until the fifth round to select an ol,
Lmao huh
If You feel We have the worst OL in the league, a fourth round pick fixes it all? Lmao
Cmon man
If we don’t go OL in the 1st, I can see us taking two between rounds 2-4.
Got tickets for first ever experience at Arlington, TX Stadium for the Miami v Dallas game. Got row 1–Mrs. K is going to love these. Her idea this year to go!!!!
M13’s 2nd 2019 Miami Dolphins’ Draft (to be finalized before the Draft)
R1P13: Jonah Williams, OL, Alabama, or Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson
R2P16: Chase Winovich, DE, Michigan, or Michael Deiter, OG Wisconsin
R3P14: Isaiah Buggs, DT/DE, Alabama, or Kingsley Keke, DT/DE, Texas A&M
R4P14: Max Scharping, OT, NIU
R5P13: Sutton Smith, OLB, NIU
R7P19: Xavier Turner, RB, Tarleton State
R7P20: Stephen Denmark, CB, Valdosta State
UDFA: Dominick Bragalone, RB, Lehigh (assist from Dbolt), Trace McSorley, QB, PSU, more to come…
Not sure about an DL from Houston, second tier and smaller kids. I think you take a Power 5 DL in the first from a good team…..it’s next level baby.
Do like DL as 1st pick if BPA!!!
DL is sexier pick than OL….I want sexier of the two, but would be fine with either if BPA.
Nice draft mf13ss just based on Dolphins’ needs.
Thank ya, sir! I regrettably couldn’t find us a QB, but I firmly DO believe that we’ll be addressing as much early next year.
ORob,
I’m not really tied in to having to take a QB this year or waiting. But, your idea of waiting to get a QB in 3 years when you’ve built a team ready to compete has issues. First, who says the QB you pick in 3 years will be the “right” one….and then what if he’s not? You’re behind your development even further. Second, most teams prefer to build around their starting QB. It impacts the sorts of players you bring in on offense because you want to fit guys to what your QB does well. Third, rookie QBs rarely come in and take teams deep in the playoffs. They start, but it still takes most guys at least 2-3 years to get up to speed. That means your rebuild has gone from a 2-3 year project to a minimum 4-5 year project.
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I think you gotta evaluate the QBs available in every draft….it doesn’t mean you have to take one. But, waiting and just assuming you’re able to….No. 1 get the guy you want 3 years from now and No. 2 he actually pans out….is a huge leap of faith. It sounds good but is far from a given. In 3 years we could possibly be looking at a 20ish pick too if we start winning. How do you go get a high end QB from there? It’s gonna cost you multiple high picks which, again, stunts your development as a team. Isn’t it better to get one when you’re in the top half of the first?
I didn’t say wait to draft a QB, i said take one in the latter rounds to see if he pans out, Stidham for instance…..or the other guy…..continue doing that while building your team and then if you have to go get your guy like the clemson QB. blowing your load now on the first so called franchise guy that comes along will limit our ability to build this team due to the assets it takes to get him.
I like Haskims, liked him since october but i don’t think we’re in a position to go for him but who knows????
That makes sense.
I think taking a QB in this year’s draft as a first rounder is Tannehill option 2.0. One year wonders…or on a great team.
I absolutely concur, Krishna.
Seems desperate to me.
Krishna,
Ya know it’s funny because those of us who were against picking Tannehill because he wasn’t worth a first round pick….let alone a top 10 pick….were told by those who wanted him that you gotta take a chance when you draft QBs….and we had to make that pick because of our serious need at QB whether or not the value was there. Now, people are saying the exact opposite. Lol
The draftniks all had Tannehill in the 1st round and many of them top 10. No different than this year where some people are not as high on this year’s crop. I knew nothing about Tannehill in 2012 but he was in everyone’s mock drafts anywhere from top 10 to 20. So when we drafted him I was excited based on that alone.
what if we just waited that year traded back and took Russel wilson? 1st rnd picks at QB is risky business.
I’m not saying the opposite…..I questioned it from the beginning and I think I remember mf13ss questioning it to…..but we yielded to the professionals. I watched T-hill as an Aggie and questioned his skills back then…
questioning it too
He had a lot of WTF moments……this was after the huge Manziel fandom….which I thought would end in failure for him. I’m in Big 12 country, with a Longhorn and Aggie divide while being all-in on the SEC from Florida.
Meat and Taters!
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13: Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida (A)
Round 2 Pick 16: Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: Isaiah Buggs, DE/DT, Alabama (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ross Pierschbacher, OG, Alabama (A+)
Round 5 Pick 13: Greg Gaines, DT, Washington (A)
Round 7 Pick 19: Jesse Burkett, C, Stanford (B)
Round 7 Pick 20: Jamal Davis II, DE, Akron (A+)
I like meat and potatoes….as long as it’s filet mignon and baked.
Krishna says:
April 20, 2019 at 4:16 pm
I’m not saying the opposite…..I questioned it from the beginning and I think I remember mf13ss questioning it too…
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I did, in fact, question it too. However, I too, yielded to the professionals… specifically Greg Cosell. I’ll never yield to the professionals again… I now trust my own judgments.
But even with that stated, I was rooting for Tannehill to finally develop into a top-10 QB throughout the years. Sadly, he never did.
Can’t remember the Aggies OC that probably influenced that decision with the Philbin gang. Thought it might work because of that….NOT!
You’re probably thinking of Mike Sherman. He was the Aggies HC, who became OUR OC in Miami.
Stand corrected….thank you.
Everyone misses on prospects, even the professionals.
Yep…..and QB is the worse miss of them all as it take years to recover. Unlike any other position.
The QB situation in this year’s draft seems similar to 2012 draft Tim noted above, to me.
Again, 100% concurred.
Except, no Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson, even worse from this side of the fence.
Indeed!
Just so y’all know, and this is important: Max Scharping has played Right Tackle at NIU. Ya don’t just draft a Tackle for the sake of putting him on whichever side ya want. Muscle memory is important, and he’s a guy with experience at the RT (and even RG) position… and obviously, the LT position.
Thus, he’s a versatile O-Lineman… and his value should increase by teams who realize/desire as much.
David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
April 20, 2019 at 11:59 am
Why the change of opinion on Haskins? You were high on him before
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I like him best out of any QB in this draft, i just don’t think we’re ready to blow #13 on a QB, trade back…get more picks…put your franchise #1 QB on the back burner and draft one in the latter rounds, you never know who will be the next russel wilson or tom brady…
if that doesn’t pan out then go get your guy and get 5 solid years of that guy on a rookie contract playing on a team with some talent instead of getting him now with all of our open festering wounds and wasting that rookie contract.
I think we should trade back for a 1st round pick in 2020, the value of that 1st round pick this year may be worth a late 2nd this year due to the fact that the team we’re trading with is most likely a good team and it will be a late 2020 1st rndr, so we swap with say houston for their number one this year and next, they need OL help and if one of those tackles are there it may be a good possibility, at that point next year we have 2 #1s
1 year of building/retrenching the lines with mostly our existing skill positions ok, I think starts/lays a much better foundation. You build from the bottom up, not top down.
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Yep! Great QBs with poor supporting casts don’t win either.
trading for next years picks is good business because a number 1 pick next year is not as valuable as a number one pick this year, when you do that you have equity to gain and all it cost is time…something we would seem to have plenty of at this point.
We have time, we have some good players, let’s fortify the foundation of ANY good football team.
lol…the foundation as it’s the basis of …….
playing the devils advocate I get building the trenches however that’s what we have been doing for the last 20 year…Long…Odrick…Jerry…martin….suh…quinn…phillips..James…tunsil….deon jordan..dallas thomas….vernon..
and that hasn’t seemed to work well.
maybe we should throw caution to the wind and go get Haskins
ORob, the approach wasn’t the problem the talent was. Football is not complicated. Nobody says being sound in the trenches isn’t important. You won’t win anything without it. Doesn’t matter who your QB is. See Dan Marino from 86-89.
Brady stepped into a fine situation….I’ve never seen him run for his life, which is the only way to beat him.
Ryan Fitzpatrick…
Much maligned by most, though he’s never really played for a ‘good team’. Even in Tampa Bay, his O-Line was crude… although he had killer receivers.
If we adequately address the O-Line, I could see our Offense becoming a top-10 team this year under Ryan Fitzpatrick. We’re NOT TANKING, fellaz!
We have too many playmakers to tank. This team isn’t void of talent, it just doesn’t have enough key pieces to contend.
Agreed!
We could be tied in the 4th quarter 17-17 and multiple guys on our team could take one to the house to give us a 7 point lead. Some teams don’t have that option. We’re not lose every game bad.
Tim,
There was plenty of conversation about Tanny bring raw and very inexperienced with 19 starts. As usual, he was pushed up in the draft being a QB, but it was not a concensus that he was a first found talent. Besides, the “experts” were obviously wrong, so it’s really no different than this year with, say, Haskins. Is he really a top 15 pick? Probably not, but it’s very likely he gets drafted there because of the importance placed on getting QBs.
I understand that. That’s basically what I was saying. LOL
Kyler Murray is not universally considered the #1 prospect on big boards. He’s universally considered to be the first prospect taken. There’s a difference. Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck were universally considered the #1 prospect in their collective drafts. Years before they were even eligible.
I’m not sold that last year’s QB crop and this year’s will all pan out. It doesn’t usually happen.
ORob,
95% of the time taking a QB in the third or fourth rounds ends up giving you a backup. Picks like Russell are the exception not the rule. Taking a QB in those rounds are usually a wasted pick unless you’re looking for a backup.
Nothing wrong with that either. That also fits with what he’s saying.
Tim,
I’d probably never draft a QB after the 2nd round. Your chances of getting a starter at the position are thin. Those picks can get you starters at other positions though. If you’re a perennial playoff contender, maybe you spend mid round picks on QBs. With where this team is, I’d rather use those picks to get substantial contributors at other spots….not a guy who will be holding a clipboard.
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I’m not saying this is what the team has to do. Just my thoughts on drafting QBs, which I think is just a different process than drafting other positions. I also doubt we’ll be in a position to actually draft one of the top 1-2 QBs available in 3 years without giving up a lot of picks to do it.
Understood. If finding a top QB was easy every team would have one.
Let’s say we go mid round for a QB this year as we focus on the trenches early. Fitzpatrick is a vet who give us competent QB play. Then we let Rudock, Falk and the rookie compete as the next guy up. Maybe one surprises as a guy you may want to look at as a potential starter, maybe they don’t but one of them is backup worthy. You go from there.
We don’t have to find the QB of the future this year. We do have to start building a solid football team.
Then Seattle would not Russell Wilson, New England wouldn’t have Tom Brady, Dallas would not have Dak Prescott. Drew Brees was a 2nd round pick, Kirk Cousins a 4th rounder. I believe you should always look at QBs even when you have one. I love mid round QB picks because they are guys you can develop and turn them into value. Hell Joe Montana was a 3rd round pick
Tim,
Yeah, I agree. We don’t HAVE to find a starting QB this year. I just think that’s more easily done when you already have a high first round pick b/c that’s where the majority of them are found….not all…but most…and it costs less to move up. After next season, will we be picking in the top half of the first? Hard to say, but I hope not. I’d rather use one pick to get a guy than 3 or 4.
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I think it all comes down to how you view the QBs available. If folks don’t think the guys this year are good, they’re willing to wait. If you like, say, Haskins, you’re thinking take him. It’s the art of drafting….getting it right.
I think the 1st rd QB vs later rd QB while rebuilding argument has merit on both sides. Like anything else, it all depends on the player you end up getting in any given scenario.
If we’re sitting at 13 and pass on, let’s say Haskins, and Haskins turns out to be the next Marino, looking back we’ll have made a huge mistake not selecting him, especially if over the next 5 years we keep trying and missing on QBs. How many teams that passed on Marino in ’83 would have selected him if they had it to do over again? Same question for Rodgers. Not comparing Matt Ryan to Marino, but looking back I sure wish we’d taken Ryan over Long in ’08. We wouldn’t be having this QB conversation.
Conversely, if we pick Haskins, and he doesn’t pan out, then not only have we wasted the pick, but we’ll have likely wasted at least a couple of years on that pick, a la Tannehill.
IMO this whole QB thing is more of a crap shoot than anything else, and there is no right or wrong in these two scenarios. You can find plenty of instances of both approaches working and both approaches failing. I honestly think as fans we overthink these things sometimes. It simply comes down to the quality of the players you select.
If our FO can nail their player selections, we’re going to be ok, if not we’ll continue to wallow in mediocrity like we have for the past 15-20 years regardless of our approach.
Also, it really doesn’t matter which way we go with our 1st rd pick if we can’t hit on more 2-5 rd picks. You can’t rebuild a team with just 1st rd picks.
I would love to see us hit on a mid rd oline pick or two this year. We have wasted so many mid rd picks on oline that don’t pan out. Can we select a 2nd or 3rd rd T or G that turns out to be a stud just once this decade? lol
Oh, and hopefully this coach will know how to develop players instead of having talent sit on the bench until an injury forces the coach to play a guy that should have been getting playing time the whole time.
And lastly, let’s make the throwbacks the standard again.
Go Blues.
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It’s about finding good/great players however you acquire them. At the end of the day nobody gives a shit how you found them.
The examples of QBs picked from the 3rd round on who failed is far greater than the exceptions who prevailed. The risk/reward is poor.
Of course but so are players at every position after the 3rd round. Right now you have Russell Wilson with a SB ring and Nick Foles with a SB ring, Dak Prescott as a playoff caliber QB and Kirk Cousins has been to the playoffs. That is 4 current starters who were 3rd rounder or late and all have been to the playoffs, oh and Brady. That’s 5 of 32 starters
You’re missing Case Keenum, Brother. And he was an UDFA. He took the Vikings all the way to the NFC Championship… Kirk Cousins didn’t even come close to that with the Vikings last year.
* NFC Championship game
How can I forget the legend of Case Keenum 😉
The best case scenario is you land a mid round QB who turns out to be really good. That’s why in this case you use a numbers game as opposed to going all in for a top prospect. If the numbers game isn’t working but you have a good team, go all in when you have the chance. There are no guarantees that you become a championship team. You might just be pretty good and make the playoffs 5 out of 7 years but still not reach the pinnacle. 13 NFL teams have never won a Super Bowl.
The best thing as a sports fan is that your team has a chance more often than not. That’s all you can ask for.
Kong. We scored 12 secs in last game and lost … we have you right where we want ya !!!
LOL, I thought the exact same thing, bro.
Ken,
Yeah, I get what you’re saying, but I just think the odds are against you. Dak and Cousins may be starters, but are they anything but mediocre players? I think your chances of getting better than average players in those rounds is better at other positions. I’m not gonna jump off a cliff if they draft a QB in the third round or anything though. Lol
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As Tim said, it’s about finding good players. If they can find a QB who can get us to the playoffs and a chance at winning a championship, I won’t give a damn if it was a third rounders.
Looking at the depth chart we have to take a QB at some point in this draft and I don’t think it is going to be in the first round
M13, the Vikings defense lead them to the NFC Championship game in 2017. They were #1 overall, 2nd rush, 2nd pass and 1st PA.
Keenum was efficient and didn’t fuck it up. Their run game also rushed for just under 2,000 yards. There’s a reason he doesn’t stick with any team for long. I know he’s a favorite of yours and all, but he is what he is. A bridge QB until you find someone better and he’s a quality backup.
I don’t doubt those facts, and I agree. But let’s not pretend that Keenum is chopped liver, either. No, he’s likely never going to be a top-10 QB… but he’s also a ‘steady Eddie’, who always gives a team a chance. I view Ryan Fitzpatrick in the same way.
I gave him props and didn’t call him anything below what he is. He’s a pro QB, not a top tier or franchise QB. That’s all. I agree that’s what Fitz is and now Tannehill. It kind of raps up the QB conversation that has gone on – 1st rd to UDFA and how you find them. 🙂
You’ve got it, buddy! 🙂
There’s many ways to skin a cat. My preference would be to get our QB in this draft and he doesn’t even have to play this season, just learn the offense and maybe at the end of the season get some playing time. In the meantime, if we’re near the top of the draft next season, so many teams will be looking for QB’s and we can really cash in on a trade back, get multiple picks and that will enable to really build our roster, with our QB already in place and ready to start right out of the chute in 2020
What a wonderful preference. LOL
That’s the thing — you can trade both a QB you take/sign or a high draft choice to someone else who wants one. We talk about trading guys on the roster so often these days….. they have value once on it.
Back to the scouting department….is this Grier job’s now? You need to be good here!
Talent acquisition….not grasping, desperate efforts….Can we evaluate talent?
Can we DEVELOP Talent
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Our Goalie is only thing keeping us in this game , yet every time he goes behind the net play the puck , it’s like having Carpenter cone out for a FG… Cringe and hope ..
It’s pretty ugly right now. Only 6 shots on goal for the Jets after 2 periods. Still it was 2-0 going into the 3rd last game too…
A good period and yes we could pull it out … I ain’t seeing signs of that though.. we look DONE
I still don’t understand why some feel that we NEED to draft a QB this year, bypassing better talent in a rebuilding season.
Now if Dwayne Haskins falls in our lap @ R1P13, that’s a different story. But I’m telling y’all, he WON’T!
That’s the ballgame… send Mikey yer PayPal address.
We’re good. You can buy me an extra beer when I get out to a fest. 🙂
Congrats to you and the Blues .. great comeback story of the season .. good luck .. this time I mean it 👍🤡
Lol, cheers, bro. I like our chances against Colorado or Nashville. I hope Nashville takes out Dallas though. They had our number this year.
Getting to the point where I cheer for mostly teams that have never won a cup.. I hate Toronto and Boston .. so Blues , Blue Jackets, Golden Knights maybe Preds
Looking back at Grier’s drafts, he’s found some exceptional talent but he hasn’t found 3 starters per year every year. His best draft was 2016 with Tunsil, Xavien, and Drake as his first three picks. Last year’s will hopefully end up good and 2017 started with Harris, Raekwon, and Tankersley which is pretty terrible. I have hope with all the scouting talent he’s brought in tho.
Hmmm… 2016 and 2017 – revisit the situation. 2018 – Minkah, Gesicki and Baker. Too early to call. All 9 are still on the team and part of the rebuild as of now.
2016 Tunsil, Howard and Drake
2017 Harris, McMillan and Tankersley
2018 Minkah, Gesicki and Baker
Mike E says there are many ways to skin a cat. I always find that bitting them behind the shoulder and shaking them violently is the best way to skin a cat. 🐕
Do you know how to make a Cat sound like a dog ??
Dip it in gasoline lit a match …. WOOF !!!!
Happy Easter!
On the QB talk, get one this year or next…..
Sure wish it was as simple as that lol
How about picking an early and a mid rounder every year until we finally get out of this 20 year long mess?
MF, we Need a QB, because Tannehill is gone, and Fitzpatrick is an interception machine.
There is Nothing worse than a QB that tosses the ball to the wrong team all the time.
Fitzpatrick is a poor excuse of a backup QB, he isn’t a starter.
Fitzpatrick isn’t the answer, and he’s not part of a rebuild. It was just stupid bringing him in, because he’s not what we need, and doesn’t help us rebuild either.
Tannehill was the third best QB Miami ever had, but Fitz won’t crack the top 50 imo
A first round Offensive lineman isn’t needed for interceptions, Fitz can toss picks behind any ole offensive lineman.
But first round QB,s , can win more games for us than first round OL.
Tannehill helped us win a helluva lot more games than Tunsil ever did.
An offensive lineman just blocks, he doesn’t lead the team, doesn’t pass, doesnt handoff, doesn’t win games, doesn’t call plays,
he just blocks,
there is no reason why We can’t address both QB, and OL with our picks.
Take a QB in the first, and a OL in the second, We need both, so problem solved with this approach
We talk of the first round busts at QB, but first round OL busts occur too.
I remember the Dolphins taking Jake Long first pick. We never selected a QB this high in the draft.
He was supposed to be the best LT for a decade or so.
How did that work out? Did he help the team go the playoffs often ,and a super bowl, like The QB we skipped did?
In 2016, Matt Ryan was the NFL MVP, lead the league in passing, put over 500 points in the board, had 4 pro bowls on his resume, and led his team to the Super Bowl.
We will forever be the team that drafted Long, not Ryan.
Btw, in 2016, the year Ryan won the NFL MVP,
We didn’t have Jake Long, the Dolphins had to bring in a FA Brandon Albert, and Sam Young,
and wasted another draft pick on Billy Turner, . SMH
Taking Long instead of Ryan cost us,,,
A franchise QB, and we still have to use more draft picks to get QB, and OL, It basically solved nothing, but cost a lot of time and wasted picks trying to make up for that mistake.
We still haven’t completely recovered from that mistake, we had to use yet another first round pick on Tunsil, and still have no quarterback, which will probably require yet another first round pick
We needed a LT, but severely reached for Long, he shouldn’t have been the first pick when there were better players on the board.
We could have gotten a LT in the second that year that would have fared just as well maybe better, and have Ryan as our franchise QB.
I didn’t even mention that skipping Ryan in the draft forced us to use yet another first round pick on a QB, trying to make up for that mistake, and now RT is gone, so we are basically spinning oir wheels in the mud, and throwing draft picks in the garbage like last years Christmas fruit cakes
I guess it’s pretty lucky we get 1 first round pick every year!
LMAO @ severely reached!
Or maybe I’m getting Dimensia?????
You don’t think We reached for Long, when Ryan was on the board?
Btw we ended up with Chad Henne in the second that year, SMH
When You make a hige mistake,
like skipping a NVL MVP winning super bowl appearance quarterback for a lineman, You have to try and make up for it by selecting Chad Henne, Ryan Tannehill, etc.
We should have taken Ryan, and got the best LT we could in the second round, or in the first round we took Tannehill.
If never works out to skip a potential franchise QB for a lineman, and try to make do with the chad Hennes of the world.
The last time Miami went to a super bowl, we had Dan Marino, that’s what it takes to go to the big dance, a franchise quarterback.
LT will not lead us to our next super bowl
Jake longs first year here Miami won the division and went to the playoffs, I would assume the reason for not picking Ryan was the fact that Parcells was already eyeing his QB in Pennington, an experienced vet over a rookie QB,
you have to protect your QB, Jake Long started day 1, Ryan would have sat for a year. circumstances dictated who we drafted back then.
but as usual hindsight is 20/20
And our foresight was blind, SMH.
Long never was going to be the NFL MVP, nor ever help us go to a super bowl, and that was known beforehand. We reached ,
Many people knew Ryan was the better choice back then, but the Dolphins Fo didn’t
Parcells wanted to trade out of that number 1 pick but had no takers due to the fact there was no rookie scale. I think they had to pay Long 65mil, no team wanted that hitting their cap.
Figured I would do my last “First Pick” mock (maybe, lol) and this is what I am faced with based on who went in the top 12 picks. Sucks! Where do I go? Think I am trading back.
Round 1 Pick 1 (1) Cardinals: Kyler Murray (QB) Oklahoma
Round 1 Pick 2 (2) 49ers: Nick Bosa (DE) Ohio St.
Round 1 Pick 3 (3) Jets: Montez Sweat (DE) Miss. State
Round 1 Pick 4 (4) Raiders: Ed Oliver (DT) Houston
Round 1 Pick 5 (5) Buccaneers: Quinnen Williams (DT) Alabama
Round 1 Pick 6 (6) Giants: Devin White (ILB/OLB) LSU
Round 1 Pick 7 (7) (JAX) Packers: Devin Bush (OLB/ILB) Michigan
Round 1 Pick 8 (8) Lions: Josh Allen (OLB) Kentucky
Round 1 Pick 9 (9) Bills: Clelin Ferrell (DE) Clemson
Round 1 Pick 10 (10) Broncos: Dwayne Haskins (QB) Ohio St.
Round 1 Pick 11 (11) Bengals: Jawaan Taylor (OT) Florida
Round 1 Pick 12 (12) (G.B.) Jaguars: Jonah Williams (OT) Alabama
I traded back with the Giants to 17 and gained rd 2 pick 5 but missed out on:
Round 1 Pick 13 (NYG): Drew Lock, QB, Missouri
Round 1 Pick 14 (ATL): Rashan Gary, DE/DT, Michigan
Round 1 Pick 15 (WASH): Daniel Jones, QB, Duke
Round 1 Pick 16 (CAR): Andre Dillard, OT, Washington St.
If Lock goes at 13, but we traded down and missed out,
even God wouldn’t forgive us, lmao
Not seeing anyone I like at 17 except Wilkins. I have only 1 trade offer from Philly for #25, a 2nd and 4th. I might take it but might miss on Wilkins.
Defense won the SB last year…..having a top 10 defense year in and year out will typically get you the playoffs and possibly a SB.
Marino never won a SB.
I took the Philly trade and missed on:
Round 1 Pick 17 (17) (NYG) Eagles: Greedy Williams (CB) LSU
Round 1 Pick 18 (18) Vikings: Cody Ford (OG/OT) Oklahoma
Round 1 Pick 19 (19) (TENN) Chiefs: Brian Burns (DE) Florida St.
Round 1 Pick 20 (20) Steelers: Byron Murphy (CB) Washington
Round 1 Pick 21 (21) Seahawks: Garrett Bradbury (C/OG) NC State
Round 1 Pick 22 (22) Ravens: AJ Brown (WR) Ole Miss
Round 1 Pick 23 (23) Texans: Dalton Risner (OT/OG) Kansas St.
Round 1 Pick 24 (24) (OAK) Jaguars: Noah Fant (TE) Iowa
I took Wilkins at 25. Thinking OL or DE at 5.
rd2 pick 5
I hope you guys know these mock draft sites aren’t showing you what would likely happen so that you are convincing yourselves we can do stuff like trade out if the first and still get an elite level player. Trading back is basically saying I’d rather have quantity over quality. I promise, unless something unpredictable happens the chance we still get a guy we are hot on while trading back is highly unlikly. Staying put should be your planned stance going into the draft. Up or down should be deviations made because what ya were expecting wasn’t there or wasn’t going to be there (in the case of trade up).
It just seems so many follow these mock trade simulators like oh yeah sure we can trade back and still get a bad ass. See I did it right here. It’s not the real draft, it’s not even a really accurate simulator.
BBM not calling you out, just came after your last mock. I see tons of people making the sane assertion and strengthening their trade back resolve. It’s not that straight forward and you are giving up bird in hand for a lot of questions further down the line.
Channeling your inner Tim this morning huh?
D — never hit a mock draft simulator in my life, but do think trade down makes sense for us unless they are hitting on QB they like. And do get that trade down means not as good talent available….. well at least if it is a large drop.
Lets take a look at Ryans Superbowl highlights?
Where is Jake Longs super bowl highlights?
The same year Ryan won the NFL mvp, led the league in passsing, and took his team to the super bowl,
Long started 3 games for the Vikings, and that’s the end of his career
MANITOBA: I was more than a bit surprised when the Jets only got ONE shot on goal during the crucial 2nd period of last night’s crucial game against the Blues. But, as I said earlier, SHIT HAPPENS IN THE NHL PLAYOFFS!! – – And, at least one team I’ve picked to win a series ends up losing in the first round every season. And, although the highest ranked team in the NHL (also known as the President’s Cup winner) has WON MORE STANLEY CUPS than any other team that has made the playoffs since they instituted this format in 1986, being ranked #1 is hardly a lock to make The Finals. SHIT HAPPENS!!
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Some unsophisticated fans here in Tampa Bay want to fire and/or trade just about all the coaches and key players on the Lightning team after the recent debacle. They fail to realize that just about EVERY TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NHL has a losing streak/slump during either the regular season or the playoffs (with the possible exception of Scotty Bowman’s ’76-’77 Montreal Canadiens)! The Bolts just happened to have their ONE AND ONLY SLUMP THIS SEASON in the first round of the playoffs!!—John Cooper didn’t get hockey stupid during the playoffs. Stankos, Kucherov and Braden Point didn’t forget how to play hockey in April. THEY JUST SUCKED at the exact moment the Blue Jackets got RED HOT!!!
Poor timing? – – YES, absolutely!! But SHIT HAPPENS! –Ask the 1980 Soviet Olympic team. NO bona fide hockey expert today will tell you that, man for man, team USA had a better team than did Russia. Indeed, several players from that Russian team are in THE NHL HALL OF FAME OR HAD significant careers in the NHL. Other than defenseman Ken Morrow, I can’t think of any member of that U.S. team who had a long, proserous career in the NHL. However, that said, for one amazing afternoon, Team USA WAS A BETTER TEAM THAN THE RUSSIANS!!
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SHIT HAPPENS!
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MANITOBA; Like you, I’m now rooting for franchises that have never won the Cup.
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ANOTHER STUNNING DAY of good weather in Tampa Bay. High in the’70’s, low near 60. It’s the best run of good weather (Jan. through April) I can ever remember in my many decades of living in the Sunshine State!
All I want for Easter is a QB, 3 new OL, a DT, a DE and another LB is that too much to ask the Easter bunny for?
Hulk smash punny Easter/Draft bunny if he no bring that
Awe shit, something happened and got booted out in 3rd round and it was setting up nice!
1 pick 25 DT WILKINS
2 pick 5 DE Ferguson
2 pick 16 DE Winovich
2 pick 21 OT Cajuste
3 pick 14 OG Deiter
Sucks that happened with 5 picks left (two 4th’s, a 5th and two 7th’s). Probably would have went OL, QB, DB, etc This would have ended up being my last mock. dammit!
Did Goodell suspend you for illegal accumulation of 2nd round picks? 🙂