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That’s easy for me. No one. I wasn’t a fan in the 70’s.
naplesfan2010 says:
June 27, 2019 at 8:56 am
What if a team lost its DC 2 years in a row?
Wouldn’t that disrupt the pipeline?
What if a team lost its top 2 TEs
AND
its top 2 DEs
AND its top 3 OTs? THREE tackles in a league where the OTs are crucial
and on a team which must protect a 40+ yr-old QB !!!!!
What if a team also lost 2 of its top WRs
AND its entire QB coaching staff?
AND 2 of the 4 defensive postion coaches
in ADDITION to losing its DC?
Throw in losing rotational starter quality at CB and DT.
I just think this is MASSIVE.
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If it was another team other than the Patsies I would agree. With them? Not so much. They have been cycling players through that system for years and not missing a beat. (coaches too, they have been a favorite poaching ground for coaches too)
100%
As far as best player at position #66 in the last one might be the best of all. Larry Little rocked.
Was he your favorite though?
Then it was Griese, but was a total ball watcher then…… not that still aren’t. You do the same in the 80’s and had more textured favorites.
Larry Csonka
Thanks for playing!
Naples – I have to agree with Rock on that one. Until proven otherwise, there’s no reason to doubt that Belichick can handle losing DC’s, OC’s, both, and players too other than TB12. They didn’t miss a beat when Matt Patricia left, so no reason to expect any different with Brian Flores leaving.
Stanger – I’ll do the 80’s next week
Was going to say Jim “Crash” Jensen! 🙂
But he didn’t start until 1981!
Csonka was my favorite. I loved that he just ran people over, carried people, dragged them, whatever he had to do to move ahead. I was too young to appreciate Jim Langer, Larry Little, Dick Anderson, Jake Scott etc . . .
MIke E — loved Csonka, but the day he, Warfield and Kiick went to the WFL was like betraying me. Know we are used to stuff like that now, but for young me was like the day the music died and they meant for it to.
Yeah, that blew for sure. That was very rare for that era, players stayed with their teams forever because there was no free agency
Favorite 70’s player:
Michael Lionel “Mike” Howell
Most underrated Dolphins player ever. No way we stay undefeated in ’72 without good ol’ “Mike”.
Also has to top the lists of best nickname ever. With garishly pompous nicknames such as Terry “The Blonde Bomber” Bradshaw and Jack “The Assassin” Tatum going around, you have to appreciate the simple sturdiness of a sobriquet like Michael Lionel “Mike” Howell.
When remembering Dolphins domination in the 70s, always remember “Mike”.
No way we win that game w/o Mike
He may not have the notoriety, or the stats, or games started, or games played, or even time on the team. But his locker room presence, once he joined the Fins, can never be understated. A true unsung hero for the Miami Dolphins.
I can’t argue that Kong
I don’t think it needs to be said, as I’m pretty sure you get my humor, but just in case; I’m not making fun of your name, but rather the fact when you google this guy it comes up as Michael Lionel “Mike” Howell. Kinda reminds me of this south park episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhHJ1Ns0h2E
Mercury Morris
Kong – I got ya man. I had to look him up in pro-football-reference.com. I figured it was a funny, but I wanted to see if he was a real player or not. 🙂
I think as a kid, it was also fun to the say the name Csonka. Sounds like a football player name
You werent a kid…. ever.
But i do agree with you that if i had to pick a that era player (which i wasn’t around to see), Csonka was my favorite because he was the epitome of football. Reckless abandon, out manning the other player, not a finesse player but just brutish and bullish. I got to play fullback occasionally and i can remember visualizing him and his style of get low, make contact, stand the defender up, and drive through them.
Pigskin was my favorite
I ate him yesterday….
He got clever and was hiding in plain site as chicharrones, but i discovered him and ate him.
sight
Jokes on you D
Expiration date on 🐖 from the 70s was at least a few decades ago
Paul Warfield.
Anyone notice that Griese’s helmet shape is weird? Is it a one-off?
My Dumb ass brother locked his keys in his work truck and had to call AAA. The AAA guy gets there and proceeded to lock HIS keys in his truck so they both had to wait until another AAA guy could get there to unlock both trucks…..
LOL – talk about feeling stupid
I got a text from him while I was at work and started belly laughing so loud that everyone in the office had to hear the story. LOL
LMAO!!!
They will never roll up their windows again
Griese’s helmet reminds me of the ones you used to get in the machines by the gumball machines. I used to have a lot of those, lost them over the years.
Mike E as a Baby
Born in 74. Football didn’t come to me until the 80s. Having watched tons of the oldies…..
Csonka
I hear this guy was pretty good
only for the first couple of years, after that not so much… He couldn’t get it done with the best QB of all time.
His loyalty to Tom Olivadotti spoiled any chances of winning in the 80’s & 90’s
He was still a very good coach
We were in the post season a lot
Remember this days
(Piggy sighs)
Piggy – I specified Dolphins player. If I hadn’t, I have a feeling there would be quite a few votes for Shula
Lol Rock 🤣
Mike E as Benjamin Button.
Hard to pick just one so I’d say Csonka, Morris and Warfield.
Favorite player of the 70s, Por Fador. Anyone know what I’m talking about?
Or who in talking about?
Was that Garo?
Csonka, Met him once in 1970
Leave it to Rock to piss in our cornflakes!
The biggest mistake Shula made was attaching himself to Marino and the offense almost exclusively and ignoring the defense. It wasn’t just about sticking with Olivadotti too long, but defensive players getting up there in age and no longer being top shelf defenders – The Killer B’s.
i disagree Timmy, it was the lack of a running game that made winning a title in the 80’s so difficult, no ball control just slinging it, the D was on the field too long, the way we won in miami was with csonka and a ball controlled offense which made the defense look very good.
Disagree Robby baby, that offense could score often but the defense couldn’t stop a damn thing. The defense was old and slow and not good.
Csonka was/is my favorite but Manny Fernandez is way up there too.
Kiick was always a top favorite as well.
The first football game I ever watched was the Dolphins-Niners Super Bowl, so I don’t have a favorite 70s player, except for Michael Lionel “Mike” Howell of course.
That game showed every leak in our defense at that point. Besides not being able to block the 49ers defense either.
We had no answer for their offense or their defense. They were getting to Marino almost every pass play
I was about 8 or 9 and didn’t know football, so I wasn’t able to evaluate it on that level.
I believe my analysis of the game was “Oooh, they have Dolphins, I like that team”.
LOL @ Tim!
What did I say that was so fuckin funny? 😉
By the way the Mets are done. 😦
I was up in VT for that superbowl. I was so drunk by the end I was barely able to stand up.
Rob – If only the Dolphins had Kenyan Drake back then. 😉
they did…sammy smith
Nah, Smith isn’t anything like Drake. Really . . .
Mike E. says:
June 27, 2019 at 3:28 pm (Edit)
Piggy – I specified Dolphins player. If I hadn’t, I have a feeling there would be quite a few votes for Shula
*****
So I can’t pick the coach or the pigskin?
What kind of mean game is this?
Okay here’s my new choice
The Orange Bowl
Tim – If I was in normal Mets fan mode I would have thrown a shit-fit about today’s loss but I’ve become numb to it. I expected when they took the 3-1 lead. As soon as Diaz walked the 1st batter I knew it was trouble
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09/23/antarctic-sea-ice-hit-35-year-record-high-saturday/?utm_term=.21d534aa3e56
Ol @ ORob. If you’re going to be stuck in a decade the 80’s is a good one.
Lol not ol
I loved Csonka…guaranteed 4 yards every carry and Warfield on O; Manny and Jake and Nick on D.
I can’t pick a favorite….lol.
Jim Kiick and Howard Twilley were favorites, too. As was Vern den herder and Foley and Anderson.
Pretty awesome teams in the early 70s.
Loved the OL…all of them.
Larry Little and Bill Stanfill both awesome too
Yep, yep
Every player named made game defining plays, all of them. And those I didn’t mention, like Morris and Briscoe made those plays, too.
I didn’t know the guys like you guys did. Living in NY it was much harder to get info on players and such back then, and I only saw them on TV when they played the Jets.
Football cards
Sports Illustrated
Sport
Sporting News
Local paper
About all there was, in Ct I faced the same issues as you did
If Orob is old enough to have watched Csonka in the OB, I’m pretty sure he had wet dreams back then…..all in fun orob! 😉
i use to pretend i was csonka on my way to school, of course it was in slo-mo…busting thru the line galloping to the end zone… the neighbors thought i was touched!
When they did sweeps with a true FB that was going to take you out running full steam (and that was very slow) clearing a path for Morris (who needed to learn patience) and LL, Langer, and Kooch pulling, just a thing of beauty getting around the edge.
I’ll just leave this here
Tom Olividatti
It is, without logical argument, the fault of the piss poor defensive scheme, ignoring aging D players and Olividatti’s inability to even slow down Marv Levi’s offense that cost us the Marino years. 56-55 type scores
the refusal to slow down the game with the run was another factor
coaching
It was Shula’s greatest blind spot. Olivadatti was just awful…..
But that was the 80s.
my blossoming of fanhood. I was born in 69 and went to my first game was when we beat the Bills in December of 81. I wasn’t really a fan or even aware of the Dolphins before that game.
We just lost to the Chargers that year in the playoffs
The next year was the players strike so, with the backlash I didn’t get back into it until they drafted this curly haired coke head a year or so later.
(my Dad was really pissed off by the strike so no NFL on HIS TV that season
My old man was a Giants fan
ONE OF THE MANY GREAT things about the Dolphins of the early ’70’s was the fact that, on any given Sunday, almost any one of them could be the star of the day. This would certainly change during the Dan Marino era but, from 1970 through 1974, the Dolphins really were a TEAM of studs and stars. MY VOTE for my favorite player had to go to ZONK! He was the constant, consummate, brute fullback who could be counted on in key situations o get that first down and keep the drive alive.
WHAT A PLEASURE it was to be a season ticket holder during the glory years of this franchise!! –Their 32-2 record during the ’72 and ’73 seasons is a record that no other franchise will ever top!!
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On photo #9, that young Dolphins QB is none other than George Mira starting his one and only start in 1971 against our favorite patsies of the ’70’s, the BUFFALO BILLS!! George was an alum of “THE U” long before it was known as “THE U!” In his senior season at Miami, Mira and his Hurricanes were picked to win the National Championship by Playboy Magazine. They finished 3-7!! But they WOULD get better over time, as would the Dolphins!
Y’all have a great evening!!
Mike E. says:
June 27, 2019 at 6:06 pm
Nah, Smith isn’t anything like Drake. Really . .
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what they have in common is they both suck
Sonny – In my childhood football took a back seat to baseball. I was consumed with baseball as a kid. I didn’t really get interested in football in earnest until the late 70’s when we were fighting the Colts for division titles.
With an asterisk
Earl Morrall was my fave 70s player.
How about without an asterisk?
Followed shula from the colts, remember Don Knottingham the human bowling ball, he also followed shula from the colts.
10:30 Tee time Ocala National skins game, see ya later.
If i may return please to what I posted at the end of the last blog,
concerning NE’s losses since last season.
It would be naive to write off a Bellichick-Brady team,
as their recovery from previous losses is legendary yet factual,
but this year IS different for several reasons.
They lost their second DC in two years,
and their two main defensive position coaches as well,
so there is no team-trained guy in the pipeline, no “next man up”
and to prove that, there is no replacement being named.
Instead, the oldest coach in the league says he will just work more hours,
but even though he is smart and competent, the 24-hour day is finite.
Those DC hours in the film room must be taken from HC hours.
Billy must now interact first hand with every defensive player,
with no one to filter or shield him from personality conflicts
with guys young enough to be his grandchildren.
He himself must deliver the Patriot Way in every one of
those focused interactions on the practice field.
This might prove to be exhausting and imperfect,
which is especially important to a team where perfection is
expected and necessary for their plans to work and overcome personnel issues.
They had hired Greg Schiano, he took the job, and then he left the job. They may make a similar hire before the season starts. Even if they don’t, it’s hard to doubt Belichick getting it done
another example of the wheels flying off
All of Billy’s plans are blowing up in his face.
Also
We here in Miami are seeing our team picked to finish last or only win 5 games
because we lost our 2 top DEs and our 2nd best OT.
The patsies lost their best THREE OTs and both their top DEs.
And one of the replacement tackles they brought in retired after like 3 days.
We also traded our starting QB, and replaced him with one QB who was 2-5 last season and another who was 3-10
ALSO
piling loss on top of loss
Brady has depended on Gronk. No one can deny that.
No Gronk this year.
And all THREE replacements have become epic fails.
AND Gronk’s back-up
or running mate as a premier blocking TE in the league
is also gone.
Again, if the pat way is “next man up” … Who is that???
a third stringer you cannot even name.
I thought Ben Watson came back to the Pats this year. Not that he’s a shell of Gronk, or maybe not even a shell of his former self, but he was pretty good for NO
He’s suspended for the first 4 games (including the game in Miami),
and he was retired from football after FIFTEEN years
when Billy begged him to come back out of desperation.
NE’s QB is over 40 and who is their back-up?
a mediocre journeyman, not some young star being groomed
I would like to point out that our QBs have NEVER lost a Super Bowl,
while NE’s QB has lost THREE Super Bowls.
3 strikes and you’re out, bro.
One last thing is that Brady has lost his QB coach and assistant QB coach
who have been with him for more than a decade.
Who are the replacements? Billy is stretched pretty thin with picking up DC duties.
Will Brady mesh with the new guys? Will he need to train them in his way?
Will they try to change him to their way? Is Brady flexible?
No Gronk, no Amendola, no 7-11 to depend on being there.
I hope you’re right, it would be wonderful to see them crash and burn, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001034666/article/jaire-alexander-among-defensive-backs-ready-to-break-out-in-19
Minkah should’ve been #1 on that list, he’s more valuable to us, because of his flexibility. You’ll see how a real coach uses him this year.
Flexibility is great as long as you’re playing well in each spot. That wasn’t the case last year, so let’s hope we use him in spots where he’s more likely to succeed
You should be right Naples, and I agree this year is different, but I’ve played that game too many times, to fall for it again. So a big ole OD show me is the best I can do.
Mike, Czonka was Mr. Por Fador. It’s from a commercial he did years ago, after his playing days.
Or Larry Csonka…
OK, gotcha. I guess I never saw that
I grew up cheering for Names like Don Jonas, Mack Herron, and watching Record setters like George Reed << O Rob would have loved this guy… and Ron Lancaster.. did not have Cable TV until early 80's, and our networks never broadcast NFL games until the playoffs.. so based on 70's playoffs I only had limited viewage , but would be Csonka, Morris and Griese..
Naples, I’ve been looking/more wondering about the hit Pat’s took this year, too. Every year, I look for the inevitable to be sooner rather than later.
This year might be different. Good job on the research. Belichick cannot do this alone but can is the system greater than him or a function of him. I say the system is greater than him and might not be repairable. Too
many broken parts than have not been replaced with similar quality.
…delete “can”
And, to be clear, Brady is still the best at what he does as a QB. He maximizes the talent around him.
Krishna – He’s got a lot on his plate (Belichick), but man, until he proves he can’t handle it, I see no reason to get excited about their demise. I feel like every few years we do things like this, and then at the end of the season, they’re somewhere between 10-6 and 13-3. Maybe this year is different but truth be told, I don’t want it to be just this year, I want a decade long swoon.
Agreed, until they finally fall then I’ll believe it. If they’re lacking in some areas they’ll change how they play and win in another way. We’ve seen it so many times.
All booked for the Fest! Looking forward to it, but not rushing away the summer!
DILLY DILLY !!
Trying to get my boys to come too but my son feels guilty taking off from work because he’s on a project. I told him he’s a good kid, but take your vacation and enjoy it!
What day you getting in? Goes for Toba too.
pretty sure Wednesday ..
Wed dinner is something to think about. Trying to keep Thurs as rest time though. Man does that weekend tire this old man out. Normally we only have 2 party days a week in us these days.
yep we will talk when closer , always nice to share yer company sir.. maybe even the MRS…
Mike, I still have a gut feeling that Minkah is going to be a special player. Not just because he’s on the Dolphins, I would say the same thing if he was on another team. I believed that about him before he was drafted. He could become the key player in our defense moving forward because he’s so versatile. Not just in coverage but he can also attack the LOS. We might see him do more blitzing in this new defense.
I think he can too. I just don’t think he was anything special last year, except for the fact that he handled a lot of different responsibilities. He was good to very good at some, and average or below average on others.
I think he handled the transitions he was faced with in his first NFL season extremely well and showed why he was a first rounder. Some of the plays he made we nothing short of perennial pro-bowler stuff. There were times when he got jostled around on the defense, as far as what positions they had him shift around to where he he got burned, but then again all rookies do.
I dont think many of the other rookies came into a team and especially a defense that was as big of a mess as ours was. Still he was one of the few highlights on our D. I think if he finally is on a D he is able to find his groove in, you will see some pretty remarkable leaps forward.
Stanger/Toba – We get in on Wednesday
Cool — sounds like Wednesday an option, but like Toba said can set up closer in.
Yup!
FEST — October 13 versus the Redskins
Fest is the Skins game on Oct 13. Pretty good seats for just $55 per and we have the box back or at least a group together.
Sec 320 (like the 30)
Row 8 – Seats 10-19
Row 9 – Seats 10-19
Row 10 – Seats 5-14
Pure fun Groundhog’s Day. Tunes with the Dog on Friday, Dave & Buster’s Sat Nite, and a Chef Warren cooked tailgate.
IN
Hulk
Mike E (+1-3) (flight done)
Pig
Doggy (+2)
Son (+3 – ?) — got a number on that?
stanger (+4)
OD
Toba (+1) (flight done)
Phelon (+2) (own seats)
Rock
POSSIBLE
Brian NY (+1?)
Twice
Naples (+1)
Possibles make yourself a definite (no payment for a bit but need a number). And time for the rest of you “INs” to get your flight reservations (will be cheaper) and hotel books (just ask if you need help). Plenty of seats for those not in before too.
D, I agree on Minkah. He’s instinctive, competitive, student of the game, a very good tackler and he can make plays on the ball. I see him as a guy who will get better and better every year.
Phelon, The ice cap has expanded in Antarctica and scientists can’t figure it out because global temps have risen. Look no further than the aliens and their underground base in the Antarctic. They must be manipulating the winds to help maintain the consistency or expand the ice cap. My guess is they are doing some renovations and/or expanding their underground base and don’t want to be exposed. 😉
I believe in aliens. In this massive universe and “time” there is no way only we live on a planet of life. There may be millions of earth type life but different too.
Mike, at nickel back wasn’t Minkah one of the highest rated players at the position? He did excel in some areas but was also stretched thin at times. Communication was a big problem with our entire defense in recent years – that’s been an issue since Gase with Vance Johnson and Matt Burke. It didn’t work. A HC that avoids one area of the team doesn’t work. I think Flores will be a more hands on HC with the entire team. Let’s hope he’s the right choice. So far so good.
Nickel Back are Fags man 🐕🥃🥃😎🎼🖕
LOL
That era of Creed, Nickel Back and other bands trying to copy the Seattle sound and becoming more and more boring.
How did we get to Nickleback?
We’ve already apologized for Bryan Adams and Justin Bieber, do I have to apologize for Nickel Back too ??
LOL
You always have Rush. 🙂
BBM – Those damn aliens are making ice for drinks. Probably putting ice in their whiskey.
Did you ever think, hey maybe someone just like us is wondering if we’re out there too?
Nope , I think they know where we are already .. just trying to decide if we are worthy of meeting them , or should be eradicated by them 🤔🤯👽
God created Earth and that is it. No proof of anything else, and never will be.
It was pretty awesome of God to make this unbelievably, inconceivably enormous universe just for us. Clearly we’re extremely important. At least we know we got plenty of space to store our shit once we ruin the fuck out of this world, so that’s comforting to know. 😉
The “universe” never created one of anything. That in-and-of-itself should make you think it is extremely unlikely we are a singular instance in the entirety of the cosmos.. or that there is only one omnipresent entity.
Bookman – Why did God create the New England Patriots?
That was a pact with the fallen angel to combat the “chosen” team! 😉
who will win the starting positions?
Fitz or Rosen?
Gaskin, Ballage or Drake?
That was the last 2 articles silly!
Just trying to bring something to the table instead of religion and politics, thanks for killing it!
Phelon, Scientists in Antarctica did discover some ancient hieroglyphs but it turned out to be a prank left by some Spanish explorers. It read “whisky en las rocas”. LOL
our “god” has long died, it was a giant star that exploded 5 billion years ago and emitted dust and gas that formed our sun and the planets that orbit it, we have all the elements created from that star so what we are is stardust.
My wife believes I was created from hot gas since I constantly emanate it. She bought me a bottle of Beano last year. It’s still in the cabinet unopened. I like to fart. It makes most people (I know) laugh.
you may create life forms in the next 5 billion years
Nothing like busting one on a buddies back swing!
Just being sarcastic about aliens. I am a huge believer. I watch all the shows, “Ancient Aliens”, “UFO’s: The Lost Evidence”, “UFO’s Declassified”, and my new favorite that has provided real interesting video evidence and testimony – “Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation”. “Strange Evidence” is an interesting show also.
Same here. The Ancient Aliens show is the most telling. How did civilizations thousands of miles from each other and thousands of years ago all build the same type of pyramids and structures pointing to the same constellations with similar sculptures of alien beings?
There are other life forms out there it’s a mathematical certainty, the form they take would have a lot to do with their environment, but we will never see them, space is just too vast.
if we wanted to travel to the nearest star to us and we could travel 67 million miles per hour, it would take 40 years, that’s only 4 light years away and there’s nothing there that could suit us.
the closest start system that could support life is 40 light years away Trappist 1, it would take 400 years to get there at 67 million miles per hour.
so any of you looking for Aliens in the night sky i wouldn’t worry too much in finding them.
They are already here. We could be a species of them, IMO.
I’m pretty much with ORob on this one. Might be a lot of life out there, might even be intelligent life, but not life that could hit this planet except maybe in the send out some probes and seed life kind of way.
But what do I know? Maybe Einstein was wrong and the Millennium Falcon did make the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. 🙂
Not only is space too vast, but time is too long. The universe is nearly 14 billion years old (by best estimates). We have been cognizant for a few thousand years, and capable of looking for life beyond our solar system for 75 years or so. It’s estimated the oldest parts of our universe started forming planets in the neighborhood of 12 billion years ago.
So for us to discover intelligent life outside out solar system and make contact, not only would we have to locate alien life in the ridiculous immensity of space, we would also have to have the extraordinary fortune to exist in the same time frame as that life, that frame being a few thousand years out of billions.
Mike E
Thanks for the great oldies pix.
Great Gallery.
I don’t believe in other planets being inhabited by life forms.
I believe it’s impossible that there aren’t other life forms in the universe.
Do you mean no life on other planets or just that the life forms couldn’t get to ours? Find it hard to believe that in all those galaxies couldn’t be some life. Intelligent life not so sure of.
A 100 billion galaxies that we know of right now, each galaxy with 200-300 billion stars. To believe it’s all made just for us is the epitome of human arrogance IMO. Mathematically there must be other life at some point, in some place.
Even if you subscribe to an earthly religion and a God of man, I’ve always considered, perhaps this entity created the universe so that no intelligent life would be able to interact or contact each other, hence the vastness of space and time.
This was not meant to be a reply.
But yet it was a reply, even agreement. Only way no other life is the “divine spark” theory. But only talking microbial on that.
Unless somewhere else some methane, ammonia, and water got hit by lightning and evolved into SI models.
That I would accept.
(Hopefully girls on those planets are not so mean as ours.)
and beer is free and BJ’s are the most popular female sport! LOL
Think about all the different life forms on our planet both in the sea and land. The problem is we humans tend to think about aliens as little green men and space ships. Other life forms do not necessarily have to resemble anything we’re aware of. But our planet alone has such a vast assortment of life that it should open your mind about the possibilities.
Yep — we keep finding life here were didn’t expect it. Like around lava vents at the bottom of the ocean floor.
This conversation is why it’s difficult to accept the idea of a God entity as many believe. Any God would be just another life form. We humans are already creating life and manipulating it. What if another species that’s been around millions (or whatever) of years before us were evolving and advancing as we are? Remember motor vehicles, planes and rockets etc. are only in existence for a hundred plus years and that’s just a small blip on the screen on time.
It’s interesting, the consideration of God as just another life form. If so, would that by definition just be alien life. Unless this other life form is able to somehow step outside the natural bounds of this universe. Of course that just makes it a multi-dimensional alien, lol.
I’ve often wondered if there is a ‘God’ if it is actually closer in description to a natural force such as gravity, nuclear force, or even space/time itself.
That’s kind of what I was saying. God surely isn’t a man with white hair and beard wearing a robe. Oh right, that’s what wise men looked like thousands of years ago or even today. LOL
Stang,
For me, the “divine spark” has always been a seemingly unnecessary ingredient to the creation theory. We have a universe of immutable natural processes. God could easily create us through these processes. But yes, if there was a “divine spark”, you can discount the mathematical certainty of other life.
Unfortunately this is where the conversation always breaks down as irreducible. You can’t really factor beyond math/science vs belief/leap of faith.
I don’t buy it either Kong. But then if it is needed can’t say it is not either. Only way to disprove is find other life.
Kong, I agree with your view on this. We humans say God created us in his image. I think it’s quite clear that it’s the other way around. Everything points to that being the case.
Yeah, I think we have very similar views on this. Probably could down some drinks and converse on this subject for awhile.
Like now. LOL
LOL
Aren’t we just germs in the bloodstream of a large host being? Like she thinks of us as a cancer or virus or the proteins she is working on to get abs.
Or is she no more aware of us than we are of the microbes in our gut.
Maybe that is the Theory of Relativity.
We are gut microbes in the gut of a large being who is a gut microbe in the gut of a huge being who is a gut microbe in a giant, and gut microbes are in our gut and gut microbes are in the gut of our gut microbes, which have gut microbes in theirs.etc ad infinitum both ways.
I’ve always enjoyed this idea, being smaller parts of a larger whole, and this expanding inward and outward in perpetuity. Each individual piece also making up the entirety of the whole.
It’s a fractal concept that appeals to my sense of symmetry. When you look at certain system formations on a macro and micro scale, such as the atom and the solar system, you find this symmetry. It might be coincidental, but I love the idea of infinite fractal existence, lol.
God was described as the unmoved first mover. I think that is naive and a cop-out.
In time, what came before the first thing? At what moment was there zero after which in the next moment there was something?
In space, what is outside the universe? If the universe is a thing, what is its husk or capsule or “skin”? OK, so what is just outside that?
That’s the great debate. Can there be nothing without it being something?
I think holes are the answer.
Read an article years ago which brought up an interesting point. The earth has been putting out an electromagnetic signal for a century now. Talking radio, TV…. heck even purposefully with SETI.
Been way to short for our stuff to hit other planets, but our detection is good enough that would have caught similar from other worlds even if from millions of years in the past. Lots of different theories on why not, but one is that when a civilization hits the level to put such out that it doesn’t have long to last because will also have ability to destroy itself.
How’s that for the happy though of the day. 🙂
Stephen Hawking always said we may be better off not looking for alien life. Because in our own human history, advanced civilizations finding less advanced civilizations didn’t go so well for them.
And that is true. But when it takes 4 million years for light to hit the closest star…… seems we don’t have much to worry about at this point at least.
Hey, we should be thanking Jupiter, without that planet’s gravity keeping comets and asteroids from hitting earth we wouldn’t be here. Jupiter is two and a half times the size of all the planets in our solar system combined.
You guys are right.
It has been said, Stang, that we will not be able to define life until we discover life somewhere else.
They say we only have one example of “life,” earthly life, and one sample of anything is considered too small to draw conclusions.
What if you had seen only one movie or one rock or one dog or one romantic relationship?
Could you imagine a giraffe if you had only ever seen a rat?
So I am agreeing with you all that I just have no imagination. That’s why I cannot conceive of any other life anywhere.
It’s so big, it technically doesn’t orbit the sun. It’s barycenter is a location something like 30,000 miles outside the surface of the sun, so technically the sun and Jupiter orbit this location.
No planet orbits the exact center of the sun, but their barycenters are still located within it.
LOL, I’m having reply problems today. This was supposed to be reply to Tim’s Jupiter comment (obviously).
Naples — but we have plenty examples of life on this planet. But for sure there could be other kinds. My guess is if those UFO’s have visited is cause of more of a Terminator kind of evolution. The time scales are just too beyond life.
Of course I just reply that you are using your imagination to think that there are other life forms, and I believe people are smart enough to make up anything, even theories of other life forms, even where there is no basis of fact, such as imagining musical talent for Justin Bieber.
It’s not really imagination, it’s more scientific than that. Earth is tiny in the big scheme of things. To think that only this one tiny dot in the vast universe is the only dot with life is basically impossible mathematically. The Justin Beiber comment was funny though. LOL
Kong
I love symmetry. Such a beautiful thing.
And yet I also love chaos. Such a powerful thing.
Yin and yang, symmetry and asymmetry, fractal order and nihilistic chaos.
btw
Fractal symmetry is the inverse of holes.
Is DNA not defined as much by the spaces in its grid as the data on its matrix?
They are just as certain and well ordered and necessary?
I still think holes solves everything.
For true symmetry chaos must balance out the order, so I love the idea of chaos as well. The yin/yang is a great concept and metaphor for existence. Nihilistic chaos continually forming and creating the fractal symmetry of the universe, ever expanding.