WR Corps suffer legitimate depth issues with 2 COVID-19 opt outs

Many of you here didn’t really value the services of one Allen Hurns, and maybe I’m on the side of overrating him, but Hurns was on target to be the starter opposite DeVante Parker at least into training camp. If Preston Williams proved he was healthy and battle ready then it’s possible Hurns slipped down the depth chart as he was replaced by the younger, more explosive Williams. IN any case, Hurns was a veteran receiver with AFC experience and one that thrived playing opposite a very talented receiver in Allen Robinson in Jacksonville. Never as much of a big play threat as Robinson, Hurns was a steady, reliable , professional possession receiver. Albert Wilson looked like he was almost all the way back last season, especially towards the end of the season. The last 3 games he caught 17 passes which is nearly half of his season’s production of 41 receptions. He had the lowest YPC average of his career at 8.1 and only one TD but the hip injury that cut his 2019 season short really took its toll on the receiver as he finally worked his way back. I do recall seeing a couple of plays at the end of the year where his explosiveness resembled the player of 2019 where he was turning nothing into something big routinely.

Before the opt outs, I felt like we had a very strong WR room with serious depth and a nice mix of youth and veterans. Parker is 27, Wilson 28 and Allen Hurns 28, along with young up and comers like Preston Williams (23), Gary Jennings (23), Isaiah Ford (24), Malcolm Perry (23) and Jakeem Grant who is now 27. If Preston Williams is ready he takes Hurns spot on the outside opposite Parker. Which receiver or receivers get to thrive in the slot? Jakeem Grant will be in the running as will Gary Jennings and 7th RD draftee Malcolm Perry. Grant has the speed and explosiveness Wilson had but not the size, Grant (5’6 171) is about 25 lbs lighter and doesn’t have the run power to break tackles like Wilson did. Gary Jennings is a little less speedy and explosive but has good size at 6’1 216. Jennings ran a 4.42 at the combine and put up 20 reps so he has some upper body strength. Malcolm Perry is closest size wise and elusiveness to Wilson but doesn’t have the top speed that Wilson had. Perry ran 4.63 40 at the combine. If you watch Perry play though, he always looks fast enough and is a very slippery runner. The Dolphins signed Colts WR Chester Rogers to a 1YR deal which deepens the depth a little. Rogers caught 53 passes in 2018, just 16 last year playing behind WR Zach Pascal.

The biggest concern I have about our WR’s, or really any unit on our team is the depth. If we’ve learned anything by watching MLB, NBA or NHL in 2020 in the year of COVID-19 is that players drop like flies. One second they’re on the team and the next they’re on COVID-19 protocol. Add in the usual NFL injuries, especially considering this year with a huge lack of practices and no preseason games and you will likely see how important good depth will be. I’d even question whether the league will be able to play a full season. We’re going to have to count on a bunch of our deeper depth players this season and I hope we get them all ready for action. When Chan Gailey was with the Jets in 2015-2016, he utilized Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker mostly, with a decent amount of passing to the RB’s Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell. In 2016 Decker was gone after 3 games and replaced by Quincy Enunwa and the offense didn’t really feature a slot WR much. Robby Anderson provided the deep threat on the outside and again, the RB’s, now Matt Forte and Bilal Powell caught a bunch of passes. Jordan Howard isn’t much of a pass catcher but Matt Breida is a good receiver out of the backfield who was stifled by playing time in a 3 headed attack in SF with Raheem Mostert and Tevin Coleman and also CJ Beathard. Malcolm Perry may also get some use out of the backfield and Kalen Ballage was thought to be a good receiver although he didn’t get to show any of those skills here in MIA. Patrick Laird and Kenyan Drake caught the most passes at RB. In any case, one thing we’ll probably have to get used to in 2020 is NEXT MAN UP . . .

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2,262 Responses to WR Corps suffer legitimate depth issues with 2 COVID-19 opt outs

  1. wyoming85 says:

    Should have choked that chicken!

  2. D says:

    If thats how yall feel about Kittle, then i guess you should pay him, i just dont see it. I think that offense works just fine with a TE that costs half that. Still i do believe that if you would pay a WR that, and like i said if i had an elite one i might would, you would pay a TE that to bring the same thing to your offense.

    • Mike E. says:

      He’s 1 YPR less than Emmanuel Sander and 1.6 YPR less than Deebo. He blocks on every other play and blocks well and had the most receptions and TD’s on the team. In ’18 he had the highest YPR on the team that had at least 30 receptions at 15.6 YPR. His position really shouldn’t matter. I think he deserves as much as Michael Thomas to be honest, he does as much for his team at least as MT does,

    • stangerx says:

      Ultimately the convo on Kittle’s contract comes down to how good is he and a more general one about the value of TE’s versus WR’s. Or receivers v other positions over all Thinking minds could disagree.

  3. The Flying Pig says:

    There’s no more mail

    • Mike E. says:

      That’s crazy. That’s not cool at all.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Trump said “I can’t keep turnout down by stopping mail in voting? Don’t worry about it. I know a guy.”

      Post Master General…

      • stangerx says:

        Look at you conspiracy theory Chicken Little. My president has told me this about mail-in voting in FLA — ““Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True.”

      • CavalierKong says:

        I’m pretty sure the guy who took my money at the gas station earlier is an illuminati. He kept pushing me to buy premium.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Might have been Priory of Sion. It’s hard to tell…

      • pheloniusphish says:

        The Priory…That’s reaching deep.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yeah, he looked like this

        So i’m thinking Priory…

    • CavalierKong says:

      honestly though, I’m not sure this is anything meaningful.

      I know in CA, where we’ve had absentee voting since 1978, we can drop our envelopes off at polling locations. And even if the mail gets slowed down, it’s still going to get counted so while these kind of shenanigans from the ‘law and order’ side would certainly be shocking 😲 I’m not sure it would really accomplish anything.

      • stangerx says:

        It would delay the result, which will let them strategize about the specifics of how exactly to call the election rigged.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      It’s on the internet. It must be true.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Well it’s a vice story and they site where they get there information

        So take it with a grain of salt, and judge it based on whatever else you can confirm – but I don’t recommend dismissing it bc it’s on the internet

  4. wyoming85 says:

  5. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, that was his brilliant plan, smh.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I bet he gave her some shoulder pads and a helmet to wear into the hotel and still can’t figure out how security was able to identify she wasn’t a player…

  6. pheloniusphish says:

    Kittle says there is no contract agreement yet.

  7. wyoming85 says:

    Phelon
    It’s only “fake” if it’s OANN!
    Or Tucker / Hannity!

    Come-on-Man

    • D says:

      I have no clue on those guys other than to know what side of the fence they are on, but i can tell you that Hannity’s voice grates on me. I have never listened to or even heard more than a little bit of his broadcast, but just like Limbaugh i just hate his voice.

  8. wyoming85 says:

    Krishna You feeling safer yet?

    • CavalierKong says:

      #dearlordpleaserefundthepolice

    • stangerx says:

      Turmoil in The Washington Football Team. Didn’t know Snyder only owned 60% of the team.
      ——————————————
      “The minority partners of Washington’s NFL team are pressuring Dan Snyder to sell the franchise amid a growing fight inside a team facing controversy on multiple fronts.

      Mr. Snyder, the team’s 55-year-old billionaire owner, has no intention to sell his majority stake in the team, the people said. A recent legal filing by Mr. Snyder suggests that at least one of the minority partners has attempted to leak defamatory information against him.

      The team’s minority owners—FedEx Corp. CEO Fred Smith, Black Diamond Capital chairman Robert Rothman and NVR Inc. board chairman Dwight Schar—own approximately 40% of the team and have hired an investment firm to sell their interest in the franchise formerly known as the Redskins. Those same stakes would become more valuable if the entire team, which would likely be worth several billion dollars, were to be sold.”

  9. stangerx says:

    Guess the antifa folks were no better at reserving their domain names than Dan Snyder.
    ———————————-
    “Records for “antifa.com” in the domain name database Whoisology.com show the site was registered in the Russian Federation from 2013 through last July. Starting last November, the site’s registration was moved to Panama, The website has always been anonymously registered and its owners could not be reached for comment. “

  10. CavalierKong says:

    Flippin’ people. Have you guys seen this?

    Some people are so stir crazy they are ordering airline food to be delivered to their home to ‘recapture’ the travel experience.

    Well, I may miss traveling to Mexico, but it doesn’t mean I’m going to have some of their tap water delivered to my house and get some Montezuma’s revenge to ‘recapture’ that travel experience.

  11. Mike E. says:

    LOL Kong – True dat!

  12. CavalierKong says:

    You can stick a fork in the Blackhawks. If they’d pulled off a win today, they might have made it a little interesting, but no way the beat Vegas 4 of the next 5.

  13. ocalarob says:

    first you hear dems want to do away with the electoral college, now they want to have mail in ballets.
    what’s the reasoning behind these proposed changes?

    what they really want is power, they fear what they want doesn’t go hand in hand with what the people want, what the people want doesn’t matter to them.

    why else would they fight for that?
    it’s criminal.

  14. ocalarob says:

    i don;t trust the demorats

  15. Mike E. says:

    Rob – Like this?

  16. wyoming85 says:

  17. wyoming85 says:

    Well they do make a good point!

  18. ocalarob says:

    I just activated my General Contractors License, anyone need a home built in FL, hit me up.
    Rockphin will be my laborer/bitch

  19. The Flying Pig says:

    Senator Susan Collins just wrote a letter to the postmaster general about how his new policies are causing substantial delays in the mail

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I guess it’s fake news though

      You know bc it’s not beneficial to the President….

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Louis DeJoy was appointed in June 2020 by Donald Trump

    • The Flying Pig says:

      But I guess it’s fake news right

      That the mail is slowed down to nearly obsolete very recently, while republicans are arguing that mail in voting will cause delays, undercutting the states abilities to set their own rules, and though it’s keeps elderly and disabled people from getting medicine, and a Republican Senator is writing a letter to repeal DeJoys new polices – that he announced on his website

      But fake news right

      Not the epitome of corruption
      Not the epitome of the swamp Trump claims to fight against

      Fake news

      Don’t research it yourself guys…just rely on what you want to believe or who you want to disagree with…

      • CavalierKong says:

        Trump hasn’t even tried to hide it. He’s blatantly sabotaging our US Postal system for his political gain and to keep his own power, yet it is OK to Trump supporters for him to use political chicanery while talking about the bad things the dems do politically?

        How does a person reconcile that? The mental gymnastics needed must be Olympic in skill and complexity. I don’t get it.

        It’s funny because I agree with a lot of the criticism of the dems, I just don’t agree with the hypocrisy of dems bad, Trump/repubs good, lol.

    • wyoming85 says:

      Just put this on a loop! It will calm you down!

  20. wyoming85 says:

    Piggy
    I don’t know if it’s as lame as blaming the President for your insurance card being late?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Do I really have to explain that elderly and disabled people won’t receive medicine they need

      Or that small businesses are going to get crushed by not receiving payments

      If you take a deep breath and think about it, instead of instantly falling into a defend trump reflex, then you will see that there is no logic to an administration actively hurting the post office bc it’s hurts many Americans

      • wyoming85 says:

        Do you need a paper bag to stop hyperventilating?

        Just because Nancy blew the dog whistle doesn’t mean the elderly all are going to die!

        Orange Man BAD is as good as Defend Trump reflex! 😉

      • The Flying Pig says:

        This is like stomping your feet and pretending a real problem is not a problem

        Believe it or not in this country, we give feedback to our leaders most of the time as criticism

        It’s a false equivalency to treat defending trump to criticism of trump
        If we can’t criticize our leaders, we don’t deserve a first amendment

  21. The Flying Pig says:

    Kong

    he’s openly admitted it
    trumps own supporters don’t even understand what he supports most of the time

    3…..2…..1….. to trump supporters telling me that these new policies are okay now, after arguing it was fake news

  22. D says:

    My cigars have been incredibly delayed arriving to me and now i know why! i tell ya i have been cussing those SOB’s like crazy recently.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I probably order om average 3-5 things a week through Amazon and other companies. The last month or so things have been getting delayed over and over, and I didn’t realize it’s only the stuff coming through USPS until about a week ago.

      Do you know how frustrating it is when your toaster cozy is two days later than expected? I was in there using a terry cloth for toaster protection? Terry cloth! What a world, lol.

  23. wyoming85 says:

    • D says:

      Not my experience, unless mail volume being way down means they laid off a fuck ton too many people and now cant get the mail delivered on time. USPS has been WAY slow recently.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        One thing of the new policy is no more overtime

        I don’t think they’ve had substantial layoffs but they cut out overtime substantially

        Also some some down (I know I’m hurting my argument) in March and April was bc we overwhelmed the post office during Covid19

        But there is no question, it’s an active policy by the new appointee to provide less services than before

    • The Flying Pig says:

      This is what DeJoys policy states – he’s claiming for he’s trying to run the post office to make money

      The problem is it’s irrelevant

      The post office is not a business, it’s a publicly funded service

      You wouldn’t say the problem with the fire dept is that putting out fires doesn’t make any money

      Tax payers pay for the postal service
      And bc if it tax payers get a lot of services

      And of course the fact that it’s very recent policy even though mail Dropped usage for decades, in the heart of a national controversy about mail in ballots, after appointment of a guy with no experience to the post office (by trump) who’s a huge trump donor – that’s a bit suspicious

    • D says:

      CavalierKong says:
      August 14, 2020 at 10:51 am

      I probably order om average 3-5 things a week through Amazon and other companies. The last month or so things have been getting delayed over and over, and I didn’t realize it’s only the stuff coming through USPS until about a week ago.

      Do you know how frustrating it is when your toaster cozy is two days later than expected? I was in there using a terry cloth for toaster protection? Terry cloth! What a world, lol.
      ———————————————————–
      See down here Amazon must be using a different service, that shit is arriving before they say it will. We do have a distribution center/warehouse in Mobile so maybe thats part of the reason. I did notice big differences between the cigar shipments though, if it touches just ever so lightly a USPS facility or carrier im fucked, otherwise its been pretty snappy. I guess they are forcing me to pay for their premium service lol.

  24. D says:

    If i dont pay the premium on the shipping it goes UPS with a handoff to USPS at some point. The UPS part, pretty speedy and then it gets to Morrow GA where USPS takes over and thats when the cussing starts. Took three fucking days to be processed at the Morrow GA facility. I could have driven there, picked it up from the facility and driven back in about 9 hours roundtrip.

  25. ocalarob says:

    So why the attack on USPS? who started this issue? Change? mail in ballets?

    you light a match, set something on fire and point your finger elsewhere?

    Oh MY! Look what he’s doing!
    typical DEMS

    • CavalierKong says:

      So you’re saying Trump’s ends justify the means?

      It’s ok for him to sabotage the USPS, which will hurt many Americans because he’s doing it in response to the dems wanting universal mail in voting?

      First off, you could use that argument for everything the dems do. They do it to stop what they perceive to be in response to Trump dismantling our US institutions, etc.

      Second, you do understand that mail in balloting has been a part of this country for decades in a number of states, right?

      Third, how do reconcile that idea the dems are starting a fire with wanting mail in balloting, when Trump himself said it’s ok, just only in Florida where he perceives it helps him? How the heck does that make sense to you?

      • ocalarob says:

        CavalierKong says:
        August 14, 2020 at 11:01 am
        So you’re saying Trump’s ends justify the means?
        _________________________________________

        You’re speculating, i never said that, personally i don’t know a thing about what’s going on with USPS, I just know that at every turn the dems are attacking him.
        why not just focus on the countries problems instead of focusing your political gain at the expense of your opponent?
        _________________________________

        (Second, you do understand that mail in balloting has been a part of this country for decades in a number of states, right?)
        ___________________________________
        the mail in ballets would be nation-wide

        why change anything? why do dems want this change?

        could it be because they think the people will vote Trump back into office if our election system remains the same? if that’s the case they don’t want what the people want.

        the dems don’t elect a pres, the people do!

    • CavalierKong says:

      Fourth, the dems don’t have the power to unilaterally ‘create’ universal mail in balloting. That power rests with the states, and should be up to the states. We’ve had it in California with no restrictions since the 70’s.

      So Trump is attempting to usurp that power by sabotaging something the dems can’t do. What he is in effect trying to do is take that power away from the states. But yes, blame everything on the dems.

      What exactly have the dems done to effect universal mail in balloting that is the fire you are talking about? Other than calling for it?

  26. ocalarob says:

    The Democrats have no credibility, anything said by them is a waste of air.

    I would actually consider their position if they were not so corrupt.

  27. ocalarob says:

    Poor Bill Barr, had to go in front of that Clown act, LOL.

    he’s a great man to be able to hold his composure.

    and some of you would actually vote for those clowns?

  28. D says:

    D says:
    August 14, 2020 at 10:58 am

    CavalierKong says:
    August 14, 2020 at 10:51 am

    I probably order om average 3-5 things a week through Amazon and other companies. The last month or so things have been getting delayed over and over, and I didn’t realize it’s only the stuff coming through USPS until about a week ago.

    Do you know how frustrating it is when your toaster cozy is two days later than expected? I was in there using a terry cloth for toaster protection? Terry cloth! What a world, lol.
    ———————————————————–
    See down here Amazon must be using a different service, that shit is arriving before they say it will. We do have a distribution center/warehouse in Mobile so maybe thats part of the reason. I did notice big differences between the cigar shipments though, if it touches just ever so lightly a USPS facility or carrier im fucked, otherwise its been pretty snappy. I guess they are forcing me to pay for their premium service lol.
    Reply

    • CavalierKong says:

      When it comes through Fed Ex or UPS, I get it very quickly. We have a distribution warehouse in Sacramento, so anything shipped directly from Amazon is very fast. But if it goes through USPS I can expect delays, even though the warehouse is like 10 miles away.

  29. bookman11 says:

    You can actually hate everything the Democrats stand for, without necessarily agreeing with everything Trump does or says. That is where I stand. I am conservative, and always will be, regardless of political affiliation or politicians rhetoric. I just cannot agree with ANYTHING the Democrats stand for, so I basically will do anything I can (voting wise) to remove any Democrat from their seat, or prevent them from getting one.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I very much believe in standing with issues as opposed to political affiliation. In this case I just take your first line and reverse the particulars. You can actually hate everything Trump stands for, without necessarily agreeing with everything the dems do or say.

      I was raised republican and still have a conservative core though I am libertarian now. I think the dems are the epitome of political corruption, but Trump is a dangerous demagogue who divides our country in a way I’ve never seen before, not even with Obama. I still feel he hijacked the GOP, and many republicans are just stuck on the ride. I want him out of office, no matter the alternative, then maybe we can normalize in the 2024 election.

      • ocalarob says:

        wrong, the division is from the dems, whatever happen to after the chips fall everyone get together and support their president?

      • bookman11 says:

        I agree with much of your post, I just cannot ever vote for a Democrat, regardless of the other option, especially now, with some of these radicals on the left. I understand and respect your position, we just approach it in different ways.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I can respect that, Bookman. I can’t stand what the democratic party has become. If it weren’t for the election of Trump, I guarantee you would see me defending the GOP on here instead of the dems. My defense of them is more in relation to my condemnation of Trump than an ideological affiliation.

        I noticed it the other day, I usually seem to be ‘on their side’ in these discussions. I usually feel like showering afterwards, lol. But again it’s more about disagreeing with everything Trump stands for as a person and a political animal, than it is agreeing with what the dems stand for.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Beleive it or not I am registered as an independent and have been my whole life

      I have always hated affiliation with any political party

      But in 2020 I am likely to vote Democrat down ballot, every other election prior to 2016, I voted for many different parties – in 2012 I even voted for the libertarian ticket

      But right now, I think it’s paramount to remove trump and Republican members of Congress who have supported him

  30. wyoming85 says:

    I believe the biggest assumption is President Trump is destroying the UPS for his personal gain!

    Which is the reach that starts this whole conversation!!!!!!!!!!

  31. ocalarob says:

    what has trump done wrong that has to do with running a country?

    that’s what a president does, run a country, he has china in place our economy was thriving until the virus and no one could stop that virus. he has rocket man in place, he’s building the wall, he’s stopping illegal immigrants.

    I know, let’s attack him over a tweet that has nothing to do with nothing.

    these dems want to crucify him over non issues in regards to running a country.

    it’s all BS

    • The Flying Pig says:

      The trade deficit with China is worse than its ever been – and that is a trend that was occurring well before Covid19

      My guess is opting out of the TPP made it worse

      But that’s just scratching the surface

      The real problem with trump is a disinformation campaign that has you arguing we are in a good place with China when we are in the worse place ever

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Bc when I post stuff like this

        Then instantly you guys think
        – look who it’s coming from
        – it’s fake news
        – give him a later bag to hyper ventilate

        It’s the propaganda from trump that’s the real problem

        People have to sift through bullshit to judge him fairly
        And most of you don’t want to judge him fairly, you want to tell his critics they are crazy

      • wyoming85 says:

        Brought to you by the national statistics of china!

      • ocalarob says:

        your chart is really showing mid 2018 the effects of Obama not Trump, change takes time. but nice try

      • The Flying Pig says:

        You see how ignorant this response this

        Instead of caring about the content, you attack the source
        Don’t believe anything and don’t judge trump

        Here’s a bbc chart

      • wyoming85 says:

        It’s still before The President got the trade deal done!

        We don’t even know if it’s valid anymore.

        So it’s not that I don’t think it’s correct!

        I don’t think it’s relevant

      • The Flying Pig says:

        It’s not before the president opted out of the TPP which caused a spike in 2019

  32. steveccnv says:

    I haven’t paid much attention to what’s happening with the USPS thing, except for what’s been written here.

    I think you can research it, listen to both sides and still not be sure who to believe, the same as with covid.

    Someone puts a biased article up, that backs their POV, and says see I was right.

    The only conclusion about anything that has happened since 2016 is what we see with our eyes and what is admitted, everything else is subject to being called BS.

  33. ocalarob says:

    if the Dems had just supported POTUS instead of constantly attacking him, if they just propose their differences in a debate, you could actually have a clear look at both sides and make a decision from that.

    the constant blabbering by them is ridiculous! they lose credibility

    see Bill Barr interrogation.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Thankfully that has never happened to another president, where the opposing party fought him at every turn. LOL

      Trump has a bombastic and combative nature. He fights and attacks everything. Is it any wonder that his tone and nature are now the country’s tone and nature? I mean how can you not hold Trump just as accountable as the dems? And yes, I hold them accountable for their behavior as well. Things like Pelosi ripping up the speech, etc are childish antics, on better than the presidents.

      The president can be abusive and destructive and it’s ok, but when everything else follows suit it is everyone else’s fault and he isn’t at least as responsible?

  34. CavalierKong says:

    ocalarob says:

    You’re speculating, i never said that, personally i don’t know a thing about what’s going on with USPS, I just know that at every turn the dems are attacking him.
    why not just focus on the countries problems instead of focusing your political gain at the expense of your opponent?
    _________________________________

    (Second, you do understand that mail in balloting has been a part of this country for decades in a number of states, right?)
    ___________________________________
    the mail in ballets would be nation-wide

    why change anything? why do dems want this change?

    could it be because they think the people will vote Trump back into office if our election system remains the same? if that’s the case they don’t want what the people want.

    the dems don’t elect a pres, the people do!

    ******************************************************************

    I think your first sentence says it all. You don’t even know what you’re defending. You are just reflexively defending Trump.

    Your statement about the mail in ballots being nationwide also proves this point. the dems can’t do that. That is the kind of fearmongering Trump does that his followers eat up, just exactly like the dems do. It is the prerogative of the states. That is why we have had numerous states that have had mail in balloting for years while other have not.

    Why change anything? Again, not Trump’s choice. It’s the states.

    The question of why Trump is ok with mail in balloting in Florida and that’s ok, but anywhere it might not help him isn’t ok still hasn’t been addressed.

    • D says:

      Anytime you say, its ok here but not there leads one to think, well whats the ace he has up his sleeve there. Same as the Dems wanting to get rid of the electoral college, i mean there is a reason they want to and i promise you its not so everything can be more fair lol.

    • D says:

      Sooner everyone realizes these two fucking groups arent out for anyone’s betterment except their own the sooner w can get back to fixing problems. As long as you buy their rhetoric, your part of the problem. My personal assessment of the two parties is the Republicans are cold-hearted bastards and the democrats are baldfaced liars.

  35. ocalarob says:

    Piggy,
    wasn’t it Clinton who came up with NAFTA?
    the trade deficit is the amount of trade that comes from china vs the amount that china receives from the us, the reason there’s a deficit is because us companies go there and set up shop due to lower wages and taxes,

    he is combating this issue tariffs and lower taxes to bring these companies back.

    but keep right on posting your disinformation.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Yes it was Clinton who signed nafta into place

      But nafta doesn’t affect trade with China

      Because its the NORTH AMERICAN free trade agreement
      And it governs trade with Mexico and Canada not China

      Unbelievable….Jesus Christ….

      • ocalarob says:

        but you get the jist, dems dont have a clue about fair trade

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I don’t get the jist

        You were flat out wrong and accusing me of disinformation bc you actually don’t know how it works

        If you didn’t have a knee jerk reaction to defending trump bc something negative was being said about him, you wouldn’t have this problem

        NAFTA was actually supported by both parties when it was enacted
        It created bad trade deficits over decades and was due to be revamped
        We will get a boost out of its replacement when it kicks in, but it will go stale eventually too

        You just need to revamp trade agreements every few years, bc ecomonies change and you have to stimulate different industries to stay ahead

        But it’s not like Canada or Mexico don’t get something too
        You give up to get a little something
        It’s take the right combination

        But more importantly it also takes alliances with other countries
        The TPP sought to do this with the pacific and China

        Was it going to work – we will never know

      • ocalarob says:

        free trade to biden is how much his some makes from it

      • stangerx says:

        I don’t NAFTA as a big example of whatever. Trump just re-did it. And the modifications are modest. So if it is a bad idea it is one both parties buy into.

      • ocalarob says:

        it’s disinformation because you are insinuating that Trump is the fault of the trade deficit when in actuality he’s combating it.
        why the tariffs, why is he trying to get back and retain big companies from going overseas, your chart is the repercussions from Obama.

  36. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, fast and furious today. Still, been healthy, and pretty civil. If only our leaders could debate the way we do on this site, fellas.

  37. ocalarob says:

    Cav, the dems are trying to enact nation wide mail in voting, they want to change the rules, try to keep up

    • CavalierKong says:

      And I’m saying, it’s a non-starter. They will never be able to that. Even republicans have said it will never happen, lol.

      • ocalarob says:

        Regardless of whether they can or can’t that’s the issue that Trump is responding to.
        That’s the issue that has derailed that last stimulus deal. the dems are trying to funnel money into USPS to afford nation wide mail in voting.
        Hence Trump is combatting that.

  38. ocalarob says:

    you just cant trust dems who create false narratives and do their best to spin the truth

    • CavalierKong says:

      When the something along the lines of 60% of what the president says is provably untrue, how can you write that with a straight face? lol

      • ocalarob says:

        please be more specific, anyone can say he’s a liar, what has he lied about regarding the running of this coountry.

        liar….liar…pants on fire!

    • CavalierKong says:

      please be more specific, anyone can say they are liars, what has they lied about regarding the running of this country.

      liar….liar…pants on fire!

  39. ocalarob says:

    the dems want to remove all barriers of mail ins.

    That’s the issue

    • stangerx says:

      I get the political gain for them in that, but lots of states have done it that way for years. Why all of a sudden is it wrong?

  40. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, gotta go to a meeting. Cheers 🙂

  41. The Flying Pig says:

    I think Biden is urging for national making in voting
    But I don’t know that he is proposing legalization
    I think what he’s doing is asking Congress to fund states so that they can afford

    As far as I know it’s up tot he states in Biden’s plan

    Since I don’t know everything, please feel free to correct me, without calling it disinformation + bc I admit I don’t know if he is trying to get legislation passed that goes beyond funding to the states

    • ocalarob says:

      the disinformation comment was about you posting a chart and insinuating that the cause is Trumps presidency when in fact he’s doing his best to combat the uneven balance of trade with china.

      • ocalarob says:

        it’s disinformation because you are insinuating that Trump is the fault of the trade deficit when in actuality he’s combating it.
        why the tariffs, why is he trying to get back and retain big companies from going overseas, your chart is the repercussions from Obama.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I’m sure he thinks he is doing his best to combat those things

        I just don’t believe the results show that

    • stangerx says:

      Judging voter issues like this is pretty simple. For decades the Dems have been trying to make it easier to vote and the GOP harder. Both sides it is to the Dems advantage if more people vote.

      Anything else from either side that is said about something like mail-in voting is just window dressing on that one political judgment.

  42. The Flying Pig says:

    stangerx says:
    August 14, 2020 at 12:07 pm (Edit)
    I don’t NAFTA as a big example of whatever. Trump just re-did it. And the modifications are modest. So if it is a bad idea it is one both parties buy into.
    ********

    I could not agree more

    All anyone is doing with trade agreements is picking which industry to stimulate

    It’s just modest changes

    And every time these things are re-vamped, it’s modest changes

    I do believe we will get a little boost by those modest changes
    But let’s not be naive about it

    When you move tariffs around in trade agreements you help one American industry and hurt another
    Bc that’s the trade off – Canada and Mexico get some thing back

  43. ocalarob says:

    where were obamas china tariffs?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Obama sucked at handling this trade deficit

      I’m not arguing he didn’t
      So did his predecessors

      I’m arguing that we aren’t in a better place now and I am predicting that the steps Trump has taken won’t lead to a better palace either

    • stangerx says:

      OR0b — I take it you think tariffs are a good thing. I would agree with you if we could just put them on and the other side didn’t respond with their own…. but they do. Ask a soybean farmer how he liked Trump’s trade war with China.

      • ocalarob says:

        lower soybean supplies, including bad weather and a potential easing of tensions between the US and China will boost their fortunes.

      • stangerx says:

        That will help — but a whole lot of places like Brazil ramped up production and entered supply contracts. Gonna have to be some real bad weather on both continents for supplies to be lower. But then a lot of US farmers probably switched crops.

  44. ocalarob says:

    Dems wear a blindfold and pack their wallets with foreign money, Trump doesn’t need their money, that’s the difference.

    • steveccnv says:

      Whether Trump’s trade deal did a lot of good or just a little, the issue Orob is talking about is the bidens going to China and doing the 1 billion dollar corrupt deal, like he’s done in other places.

      You guys won’t acknowledge that fact, and other presidents did willfully or not similar deals. Carter and his atrocious China deal comes to mind, let alone Clinton’s and Bush’s.

  45. manitobafinfan says:

    ORob : congrats on the Contractor License… if ya need an AC guy in the Orlando area I know someone .. 🤡

  46. The Flying Pig says:

    Okay

    Now I have a headache too

    Thank you for the incitefull, sometimes hostile discussion guys

    even when I disagree, I take time after to think about what was said to me, bc that’s the enitre point of talking about things like this

  47. steveccnv says:

    Amidst all the BS you have to ask yourself what is he trying accomplish? With trade he says he wants to close the deficit with China. Do his words and actions (tariffs) have a chance to accomplish that?

    What were they trying to accomplish with China under the Obama administration? Did you like the deals made?

    • stangerx says:

      We talked about it before. Was a huge fan of TPP, which was really just a Pacific NAFTA after all. And it did not include China. Given that Trump choose to keep a version of NAFTA….. thinking he just didn’t like TPP cause Obama did it and would get the credit. He could have renegotiated.

      • Ken says:

        TPP would have isolated China. Instead a huge trade void opened up which China stepped right into and seized upon to further their Silk Road initiative and greatly expand their influence throughout Asia and Indian Ocean

      • stangerx says:

        And the Aussies were left going WTF?

  48. Ken says:

    There is a reason why I don’t discuss politics on here

  49. ocalarob says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 14, 2020 at 12:47 pm
    Amidst all the BS you have to ask yourself what is he trying accomplish? With trade he says he wants to close the deficit with China. Do his words and actions (tariffs) have a chance to accomplish that?

    What were they trying to accomplish with China under the Obama administration? Did you like the deals made?
    ________________________________________________

    And regarding Piggys chart,
    you have to ask yourself, with the tariffs implemented by trump taken into consideration, wouldn’t more trade coming from china be a good thing for the US?

  50. Ken says:

    The only export to China is whether or not an NFL team goes there

  51. Mike E. says:

    My anti-liberal rant for the day.

    1) In NYC where the worst fucking Mayor in the history of the fine city rules, they will not be able to light the 9/11 memorial lights because apparently it takes 40 people to light them and due to COVID-19 it’s unsafe. He could have 800 people painting BLM on the fucking streets and have thousands of BLM protesters but to light the 9/11 memorial twin beams is unsafe.

    2) Why can’t the mainstream media discuss the murder of 5 year old Cannon Hinant who was shot by a black man, a neighbor. This is what we mean by media bias, there couldn’t be a better example and a shameful truth that because the BLM is so much more popular to talk about, they can’t even think about mentioning this heinous murder because it upsets the BLM apple cart.

    3) This kinda shit happening, despite the fact that I think Trump is a absolute ass will probably have me voting for him once again in November.

    • Ken says:

      I think the difference/distinction in the reporting is that no one is saying that Cannon Hinnant’s life didn’t matter. In fact statistically speaking there is every reason to believe that when African American murders a white person that there will be an arrest and a substantial jail sentence. The issue is when a white person murders an African American person, especially when it is a police involved homicide, the statistics go way down in terms of arrests, prosecution, convictions and sentencing go way down. The death of Cannon Hinnant is a tragedy but it is one that there will be justice for. What BLM seeks is to have that same level of justice apply in the circumstances of the murder of African Americans

      • Mike E. says:

        All agreed and understood. What’s the media’s excuse for not reporting it as tragic story, in fact not even mentioning it? That’s my problem. If it were the other way around, white man killed a 5 year old black boy it would be on every channel 24/7. Tell me I’m wrong

      • Ken says:

        I suppose the only explanation is the murder itself is of limited newsworthy value while the social justice aspect of BLM has much more news appeal. As in any private industry and the media is a private industry it is about what sells and right now social justice sells

  52. stangerx says:

    Starting to think Jones and Howard will clamp down on the two top outside receivers and everything in the middle will be a zone scramble mess.
    ——————————————
    “We both excel at playing man coverage. I think he excels at attacking the ball better than me, so that’s something I’m learning from him.”
    — Byron Jones on X

  53. CavalierKong says:

    Woohoo, meeting over. Mostly done with work for the day.

    https://www.miamidolphins.com/news/the-blitz-there-s-joy-in-hard-work

    This was the only decent Dolphins news I could find. LOL

  54. wyoming85 says:

  55. Mike E. says:

    Ken, that was truly a barristers response. It would hold in court, but doesn’t make it here. It’s garbage that the media is a political tool for the left. Simple as that. You can make fun of the orange asshole but when he talks about fake news and rails against the MSM he’s 100% correct and accurate.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      He’s correct about a lot of things
      Bc it’s impossible not to be if you are pointing out other people’s flaws
      That’s no way to lead though

      If the commander in chief becomes the finger pointer in chief – where is he leading us?

    • Ken says:

      I disagree the media is a business and business needs to sell product. Right now attacking Trump sells the product which should lead to the question why? If Trump was so popular do you think private media could sustain attacking him? It is the law of supply and demand

  56. wyoming85 says:

  57. bailbondmike says:

    But right now, I think it’s paramount to remove trump and Republican members of Congress who have supported him.
    ——————————————
    You socialist! 😉

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Lol

      I meant through an election….the old fashioned way

      • stangerx says:

        You are a socialist….lol. I’m a NeverTrumper (actually signed up for the Lincoln Project). But that means we end up with the same goal even if started from different places. 🙂

  58. Mike E. says:

    Controversy sells. The Biden rape accusations were swept under the rug because the left don’t want it out there. If they made more of the rape accusation people would want to see that. Not everyone hates Trump.

    • stangerx says:

      The Biden rape accusations were swept so far under the rug that not even news junky me knows about them. You talking about the smell the hair and too fond of little girls at rallies stuff? Cause never heard about rape.

  59. Mike E. says:

    I don’t know where Trump is leading us but I don’t know where unfit for office Biden or Kamala Harris are leading us either. I’ll take what’s behind door #1 thank you!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      You know where trump is leading us
      We are living through it

      • stangerx says:

        First that is not a rape (which was my real point). But get the accusations were heinous. You read some of the stories about her since? Tara Reade is a nut case. A reason why you haven’t read about her in a while.And for starters she claims it happened in the halls of congress. If Biden did it he is a real real stupid man.

      • stangerx says:

        Pig — that wasn’t for you.

    • Ken says:

      My biggest reason for voting against Trump is not because of my party affiliation and yes I am affiliated with the other party but I believe in the need for 2 strong viable political parties which I think makes the country stronger. But I see Trump as an existential threat to our democratic institutions. He has authoritarian tendencies. He admires dictators, he attempts to limit the press and regardless of what you think about the press it is a necessary check and balance to a democracy, he hates any form of oversight as evidenced by how many inspector generals he has fired, he has instituted nepotism by putting unqualified family members into high government positions. I have no illusions that the Democratic is a dream ticket but I believe our democratic institutions will continue while I don’t feel the same about the current administration

      • CavalierKong says:

        With the exception that I’m not a democrat, I agree very much with this sentiment, and think it is well siad.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        And don’t forget that the post office is in the constitution….lol

  60. Mike E. says:

    🐷 I don’t want to be narrow minded but my life hasn’t changed fir the worse because of Trump, has yours? If so, how?

    • Ken says:

      Well I used to be able to travel outside of the country and to all 50 states and it didn’t have to be this way. Trump is not to blame for the virus but he is to blame for the ineffective response

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Beyond the changes in the day to day rhetoric – Generally no

      But I started my own business in early 2016
      So that’s a major lifestyle change that is independent of politics and happened around the same time

      I don’t like his vision
      I never liked his vision
      At its core, I fundamentally disagree with him about a lot of things that are policy related
      And I don’t like my tax payer dollars used the way he wants tax dollars used

      And that’s how this whole thing is meant to work
      That’s why I hate screaming “fake news” or TDS syndrome or all the things his apologist say – every American should be vocal about the direction they want this country to go it. And trump is the only president I remember in my lifetime who doesn’t appreciate that

      Some of the problems we are having as a country (which have not affected my day to day life) were predictable

      I warned people about giving too much emphasis on record stock days years ago – I’m pretty sure I did that here, The point being that an economy like that is on hangs on a slim thread that a crisis (like a pandemic) can make meaningless

      I am morally opposed to his approach to immigration, it doesn’t affect me directly bc I was born here, but “we are looking birth place citizenship” – Could have

      I fundamentally disagree with him on almost every issue

      But most of my problems are long term policy issues

      You aren’t going to feel trade deficits, or an expanding national debt, or swindling social security returns, or the misuse of tax dollars in your day to day life until it’s too late. I just don’t want to end up there

      So I hear you. I wouldn’t say my life has changed (some of that might be luck) but I have real concerns about where we end up

  61. Mike E. says:

    Thanks for the assist Wyo. It’s just me and the lawyers right now. 😂

    • CavalierKong says:

      He assisted you with wikipedia. That’s like giving someone who needs a drink tap water from Mexico… 😉

    • stangerx says:

      But it was big news for a month or so……turned out not much too it, or at least the woman was a kook.

    • wyoming85 says:

      It’s ok.
      Like I said yesterday. Nobody is changing their mind!

      When the whole conversation starts because of an assumption that President Trump is targeting the UPS for his personal gain.

      Well It’s still just Orange man bad!

      I mean don’t listen to his presser were he stated that if Nancy will pass his Exec. Orders he will agree to the UPS funding!

      I mean helping the American worker? Who the fuck does he think he is!!!!!

      That doesn’t meet the narrative!

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Nobody is changing my mind is right

        But if you are going to paraphrase me I respectfully request you go from ”orange man bad” to “grifting piece of bronzer coated 💩 is disastrous”

  62. CavalierKong says:

    Wins against the Patriots – 1.5
    OVER/UNDER

  63. CavalierKong says:

    Has Biden paid off multiple women for a variety of things? Has Biden been caught on tape actually extolling sexual assault? Has Biden got dementia?

    Only one of these questions can be answered yes, lol.

    • Mike E. says:

      No Kong, but when Trump was accused it was headlines for weeks. When Biden was accused it wasn’t even a blurb and even Stanger can vouch for that, he never even heard it. There’s just a huge difference in airplay when it hurts the right, and no airplay when it hurts the left. That’s dangerous. Thankfully I don’t only rely on the scraps they throw us from the left biased media. What about the ones that do though?

      • stangerx says:

        For the record — had heard of that one, but had been so fully discredited that no longer counted to me. But Reade was big headlines for weeks….. so yeah the media was covering.

  64. Mike E. says:

    LMAO Kong

  65. Mike E. says:

    Ken, I think the 2 party system is the bigger problem. That’s how we ended up with shit or shittier. You have to admit this is easily the worst 2 candidates in history

    • wyoming85 says:

      I don’t know?
      Ford / Carter was a doozy

    • Ken says:

      The 2 parties have lots of problems but 2 viable parties is generally a good thing. It promotes differences and compromise. One major problem I have and it occurred under the Democrats watch was getting rid of the 60 vote minimum in the senate. The 60 vote built compromise but the simple majority vote promotes tribalism which is kind of where we are right now

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I actually think that correct
      Except I think the 2 options in 2016 were worse than the 2 options in 2020

  66. stangerx says:

    What did Trump do? He called for a boycott of the NFL.

    Seems that should be relevant on this board. And no matter what some say now….. no one here did.

    • wyoming85 says:

      I know they talk about dog whistles and blindly following the President.

      But it really doesn’t work that way! 😉

      • stangerx says:

        LO L — well sounds like you are not in the true MAGA base. Cause Trump got some of his folks thinking wearing masks was a political statement against him. Not didn’t need them….. but not the Trump way.

  67. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – Maybe out of context, 2016 was worse, but given the fact that the Democrats had 4 years to find a viable candidate to defeat Trump and all they could come up with is an already checked out Biden is laughable and embarrassing. I mean they have been trying for 4 years to impeach Trump and now this is the guy they manufacture. Remember the video game Punch Out? You guys are putting up Glass Joe.

    • ocalarob says:

      in football terms Joe Biden is a BUST!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m pretty sure what propelled Biden to win the democratic was that he was historically moderate even considered Republican to many people on the left

      And they are trying to win over moderates in swing states by juxtaposing him to some one like trump

      I frankly thought some of the better democrats running never caught much wind

      But I will take Biden any day of the week over Bernie, Bloomberg, or Clinton for that matter

      Take the argument you are making and turn it in it’s head
      The best that the republicans can come up with is trump

      In 2016 it was down to Trump, Cruz and Rubio 🤮

      • Ken says:

        I agree. I think Biden’s nomination was a message to the Bernie/AOC wing of the party that the majority of the party doesn’t want to go that far to the left to which I am thankful for and in agreement with. I would have preferred Buttegig or Klobuchar but it didn’t work out that way

      • Mike E. says:

        Trump wasn’t even backed by the Republicans, he just wiped the floor with everyone leaving them no choice. Now they have to back the incumbent, it’s the way it works. I really liked John Kasich but he never got any traction.

      • Ken says:

        Mike E:
        I really liked Kasich as well. If he was the nominee in 2016 I may very well have voted for him. I also respect the fact that he has endorsed Biden and will speak at the convention. It’s not that he supports my candidate but I respect the fact that he votes his conscience and not the just the party line. It is one of the reasons why I think I would have voted for him

      • stangerx says:

        Mike E — the difference was that the Dems had seen what Trump did out of a small faction. The other candidates laughed at him and stayed and Trump won. Before the South Carolina primary Pete, Amy and all the rest of the band dropped out so Joe could win there and on Super Tuesday. Would have been Bernie otherwise.

    • stangerx says:

      What candidate was better suited to beat Trump? Bernie or Warren would have been a disaster…..they actually are socialists. My fave was Mayor Pete, but the African Americans liked Biden. What you gonna do?

  68. wyoming85 says:

    I’m disappointed in myself!
    I had this in the queue all day, and din’t use it!!!!!!!!!!

  69. ocalarob says:

    Anyone who votes for biden is actually voting for Harris, she will be running the country if the left have their way

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I hope so. She was my favorite….lol

    • stangerx says:

      She’s not that liberal in a Dem sense. You have a problem with her or like the idea?

    • CavalierKong says:

      I agree with you on this. Biden will be asleep in the lounge chair gassing everyone out, lol.

    • ocalarob says:

      what happens when you get assaulted, who are you going to call? Harris has said she wants to defund the police dept

      • The Flying Pig says:

        You can see what she wants to do concerning law enforcement here in this Forbes article

        https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcohen/2020/06/08/ragine-the-police-kamala-harris/#2cf428c95c6d

      • stangerx says:

        I’m not that worried about it. And I favor what Harris has said. Mainly that mental health calls should be handled by specialists in that area. Doesn’t that just make sense…… used to work on programs like that in the past.

      • Ken says:

        Defunding the police is such a misnomer but it has been seized upon by Republicans as a campaign talking point. Harris has a very strong law enforcement background as the Attorney General of California. She was oft criticized by other for being too supportive of police and not instituting any reforms when she was AG

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Ken

        I hear you

        FWIW it’s Democrats fault the defund the police means what it means to some people

        That’s not exactly good branding if it’s actually doesn’t mean to eliminate the police (which it doesn’t to many)

        This is probably one of those self reflection moments
        It would have been much better to to say something like “police reform” as a rallying cry

      • Ken says:

        I totally agree Piggy. That phrase is a self inflicted wound and I knew it was going to be weaponized against the Democrats the moment I heard it being used

  70. ocalarob says:

    oh i cant wait for heads to roll!

  71. The Flying Pig says:

    Look at the states where they are making cuts

  72. CavalierKong says:

    Dude, seriously, this conversation has been hours long with very strongly opposing views with not one blowout and next to no nastiness. Where else in America right now can you find this? We should be governing this country.

    First piece of legislation I call for – Patriots and Jets players have to wear dunce caps and garter belts for the entirety the season for the next decade.

  73. ocalarob says:

    i can’t wait for the Pats game, how great will it be to beat them back to back in their own stadium?

  74. Ken says:

    Work is killing me. I should probably do some before the day ends

  75. CavalierKong says:

    All that really matters to me right now is we’re expecting temps between 102 and 110 for the next 8 days. Blegh, I hate summer.

  76. steveccnv says:

    Seriously?🤪

    This guy would be better🤐

  77. stangerx says:

    What Joe Montana says Brady told him. Have to assume “they” is the evil genius.
    ———————————–
    “He (Brady) told me ‘They’d ask me my advice, I would tell them, and they didn’t take it.”

    ” I think he would like a little bit of input and I think Tampa Bay will probably let him have that, especially with the success he’s had.”

  78. steveccnv says:

    stangerx says:
    August 14, 2020 at 12:14 pm
    Judging voter issues like this is pretty simple. For decades the Dems have been trying to make it easier to vote and the GOP harder. Both sides it is to the Dems advantage if more people vote.

    Anything else from either side that is said about something like mail-in voting is just window dressing on that one political judgment.
    ———-

    Have you noticed the dems go after people they deem low hanging fruit, easily manipulated, not savvy to what’s really going on, politically ignorant.

    • stangerx says:

      If it was up to me, in order to vote you’d have to take a test like the one for citizenship in order to be eligible. But it’s not up to me. Just calling how the players on both sides see the political landscape. And as is believe completely up to each state. Funny how the GOP forgets its strong states’ rights stance on this one issue.

    • steveccnv says:

      I’d make it up to you, with that view, but it’ll never happen, because, as Hilllary said in her email we want the people to be uninformed and compliant, in other words we want to tell them what to do, and how to act…

      • steveccnv says:

        Sound a little fascist?

      • stangerx says:

        I understand will never happen, least not now. Remember to start only property owners got to vote and slaves obviously did not. Things change. Couldn’t care less what Hillary had to say. Do you?

      • steveccnv says:

        No, I really don’t care what she has to say, but that wasn’t for me, it was a statement that’s typical lefty. Isn’t that what a socialist would say or a politician that’s pro big govt. or a globalist?

  79. Randy says:

    I’ve done many what we call “well checks” on citizens who are reportedly having a mental health issue of some sort. I’ve done them with and without police. Most of the time, police just stood back and observed while I handled the situation. They were there more as a level of security and if the individual needed to be taken to the hospital or jail or whatever. But, it is very, very dangerous to put mental health workers in situations like that. Cops have body armor, guns, stun guns, and all sorts of training on how to manage a violent situation. Social workers have a notebook and a business card and are trained to be nice. People are way off base if they think “mental health workers” can do what police do. And, they are vastly underestimating the danger those individuals would be put in. Unless you have very competent triage information of the situation, it would be asking a lot of MH workers to do that sort of thing on a regular basis. I wouldn’t want that job unless you’re going to allow me to protect myself somehow.

    • steveccnv says:

      What’s your take on MH case biden?

    • stangerx says:

      Sort of depends on where you draw the line doesn’t it? Would you have a problem responding to possible suicide call? No one is saying MH folks should show up alone to a hostage situation. There already are models for this kind of response to non-dangerous MH situations.

  80. steveccnv says:

    Joe Burrow has some pocket issues

    Watch “Draft Analysis: Joe Burrow, Part 3” on YouTube

  81. CavalierKong says:

    Stang, I’ll take 110 and dry over 95 and humid every time.

    • stangerx says:

      humidity kills. When we moved to FLA were worried about the heat during the summer but turned out no better or worse than in DC. 90 and humid there was same as 98 and not so humid here (we live near the water and get the breeze).

  82. Randy says:

    stanger,
    That’s why I said you need good triage going on. Who decides what calls can be handled by a MH worker and which ones require police involvement? 911 operators are not trained at that level of triage. A call for help can also be very different than the actual situation you’re called into. And, that fairly benign situation can potentially turn very dangerous, very fast. Then what? The MH worker just runs really fast? Cops can defend and/or protect themselves.
    ***
    I went on a call once that was a guy saying he wanted to go to the hospital….not much more info. He met me at the door holding a 9 inch kitchen knife. I’ve had clients rush cops and knock them to the ground holding weapons because they wanted the cops to shoot them. I could go on and on….and I live in a city with a 50K population with very robust MH services. What happens in NYC where there are a whole lot more unstable mentally ill individuals who probably aren’t getting adequate care and are extremely unpredictable?

    • stangerx says:

      Presumably if on any call the MH folks are on turns potentially violent they back off and do call the cops, but doesn’t that go for any in person visit. My wife was a parole officer whose beat was Anacostia. She was knocking on the doors in the “hood” of DC. She knew what to do if didn’t look right.

  83. steveccnv says:

    For decades the Dems have been trying to make it easier to vote and the GOP harder. Both sides it is to the Dems advantage if more people vote.
    —–
    Based on this statement, kind of backed up by each sides stance on the wall, how does each sides stance on abortion logically make sense?

    The right has most of the evangelicals, so I can see that for part of the right, but why is the left for abortion? Wouldn’t you think the left would benefit from more black people, the same as they would for more hispanics?

    • stangerx says:

      Only folks against abortion are the Holly Rollers and they are GOP. Hence the stances on that. No one is thinking about population growth because of it…… and in any event the blacks and hispanics are winning that one. May be the evangelicals are good at birth control.

  84. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, I just caught this. A way better insult than ‘sleepy joe’.
    —————————
    Mike E says:

    You guys are putting up Glass Joe

  85. CavalierKong says:

    LMAO, this is even better. I need to go back through the posts more often to see what I missed.

    The Flying Pig says:

    But if you are going to paraphrase me I respectfully request you go from ”orange man bad” to “grifting piece of bronzer coated 💩 is disastrous”

  86. CavalierKong says:

    Furry balls plopped menacingly on the table

  87. steveccnv says:

    Kong are your boys going to win a restart game at some point?

    • CavalierKong says:

      It’s pretty maddening because going into the end of the season we were playing as well as any team in the league even without Tarasenko. I really liked our chances at a deep run to repeat, even in a stacked Western Conference.

      I think if we lose tonight we can just pack it up.

  88. Randy says:

    stanger,
    Absolutely. There are nonviolent skills and things you can do in any potentially volatile or dangerous situation. They do work….until they don’t. As the old saying goes…..if things turn violent….you’ve probably already screwed up….but then what? If we’re going to start sending MH workers into even more dangerous situations than they already are instead of cops, the risk goes up. I would almost guarantee people will be hurt or killed. I agree that the police are used in situations where they may not be the best fit….but these situations can also be potentially very dangerous. Police are protected. MH workers aren’t. We sometimes joke that we should be issued Kevlar instead of a date book. Social worker is actually already one of the most dangerous jobs and only getting harder. Kudos to your wife. Tough job.

  89. wyoming85 says:

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  93. steveccnv says:

    Shorty Kong, but it really was a 4 on 4, since that’s what was on the ice when the drive started.

  94. bailbondmike says:

    It really cracks me up when people say that Trump is to blame for ineffective response to COVID.

    There is no one alive on earth that has seen a pandemic like this. Not with size of the world population now and the amount of world wide travel there is today. Not to mention the communicability of this virus compared to others.

    Harris tried comparing the handling of this pandemic to Obama/Biden handling of Ebola in 2014. Really! That’s some ridiculous shit right there. They sent the military to West Africa to help them deal with it. They didn’t have to deal with shit in CONUS. That just shows me that Biden/Harris have no clue how they would have handled this pandemic. Biden wants a mandatory, nationwide order for everyone outside to have to wear a mask. Really, that’s all you can come up with Joe?

    When Obama started getting criticism for not doing much he finally listen to his experts and said the best way to stop this disease, the best way to keep Americans safe, is to stop it at its source. Then he sent the military over. BUT, when Trump institutes a travel ban early, he gets called a racist by the Dems and Pelosi calling for a street party in China Town. WTF

    No support from the left half of the government at all during a severe pandemic purposely trying to make Trump look bad and the American People suffer as a result. Refer to all the bullshit they try to pass in these relief bills. The Dems all ready held the American people hostage on the first bill so they could get a 25 mil renovation of a fucking museum or whatever it was. The Dems are so anti Trump they don’t give a rats ass about the American People. A major portion of that party has become anti American.

    How people can say ineffective response like we could have just put superglue on a paper cut.

    Believe what you will though.

    • Ken says:

      So why with only 4% of the world’s population we have over 25% of the world’s Covid cases and related deaths? What are the other countries doing right and we are doing wrong? You think leadership doesn’t matter but it does and our leadership of the which the President is the chief executive of has failed us.

      • ocalarob says:

        Not sure about your stats however the us is 20 times bigger than most those countries. So your prodem stats may be skewed

      • steveccnv says:

        What we’re doing wrong is incentivizing the numbers and testing more, while the rest of the world is undercounting and not testing.

        If you believe the numbers I have a bridge for sale…

      • stangerx says:

        ORob — what does population size have to do with percentages?
        steve — don’t think amount of testing has much to do with death totals. Pretty simple test for death.

  95. son of a son of a shula says:

    El Mago de las Fritas in Miami, I want someone who knows the area to go with me during a Fest weekend to get a Cuban burger they look amazing.
    🐽

  96. son of a son of a shula says:

    I could say “Ride the River” clear out of the blue and my wife would respond dutifully with “in this boat”, it’s awesome

  97. CavalierKong says:

    Help, I’ve fallen, and I can’t get up out of this hippy rabbit hole

  98. CavalierKong says:

    So we’ll like totally get rid of all of society’s rules, man. We just tear down the system and we’ll do things for each other. We’ll install a system of barter, brother, and we’ll totally each do our own thing. Like, we’ll have one guy that makes bread for people, and another will bond with the earth and grow things, and like another guy that totally looks out for other people and their welfare…..

    You mean like a baker, a farmer, and a cop?

  99. steveccnv says:

    The state and local govts have more control of covid, than the WH by design, just like they do for voting, state/local taxes…

  100. steveccnv says:

    The Blues playing like they did early last year. Is it too late, to turn it around?

  101. steveccnv says:

    Wow! Bad, if not border line favouritism officiating. Blues can’t do shit, pick a fight and the Canucks get the double minor so power play Blues and they score.

  102. Tim Knight says:

    Wow the Flyers got dominated 5-0. I did not see that coming. Yikes!

  103. CavalierKong says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 14, 2020 at 7:55 pm
    Come on man
    ————
    What? Too distasteful? He started it. lol
    I’m pretty sure he’s courting me, which is adorable.

  104. manitobafinfan says:

    Wow

  105. manitobafinfan says:

    They need to challenge that , stick not over crossbar

  106. CavalierKong says:

    Woohoo!

  107. manitobafinfan says:

    Wow what a save

  108. manitobafinfan says:

    Oh my , I wish Binnington played like this last year 😊…
    tough loss Cav ..

    • CavalierKong says:

      Yeah, I’m pretty resigned to going out rd 1. We’re just not the same team we were a couple of months ago. It’s all good, I’ll be living off last year for a long time 🙂

  109. CavalierKong says:

    Great, now we have to win at least one on the road…

  110. Mike E. says:

    For the Dems around here . . .

  111. Tim Knight says:

    Anyone else disgusted by the execution death of a 5 year old boy named Cannon Hinnant? But as long as it wasn’t about a white on black crime, crickets! This country has a moral problem well beyond race. This country is fucked in the head, and if you think politics will solve this type of evil you’re fucking evil!

    • steveccnv says:

      Why should anyone that doesn’t know him be disgusted? They said a 25 year old man walked up and shot him in the head. If we knew why he did it and it was something like a game or a gang initiation, then absolutely.

      At this point I’d think the 25 year old had some mental issues, that could happen at any time to anyone. Why should we think it has anything to do with what’s been going on lately?

      Let’s not jump to any conclusions, there’s too much of that these days.

      Bad shit happens all the time, don’t give up hope for man kind, because what else do we have, but hope? It’s ok, come down from the ledge.

      On the lighter side. How will the Flyers react to todays loss?

  112. steveccnv says:

    More proof Trump is the bad guy:

  113. Mike E. says:

    The excuses you hear about Cannon Hinnant, even by some of our own here are that while tragic, the perpetrator was found after a manhunt and brought to justice. Nothing to see here, as opposed to the killing of Ahmaud Arbery where it took a month or more to finally bring in the murderer and his assistant in the murder. However, if a white man killed a black boy right now and was found within 10 minutes and executed on the spot, the murder itself would be on the news for a month on every fucking channel. Ken says news is a business, it has to sell. Sorry Hulk, but if that’s how you feel then Orange guy is right every time he mentions fake news and lambasts the mainstream media because they’re sellouts. This is becoming a white hating society and I see self loathing whites all over the place. I hope they’re going to be happy when the tide really turns and they’re not doing it just to be altruistic and impress other people with the verve for this and white becomes the new black. Good luck with that . . .

  114. Mike E. says:

    Here’s a perfect example of what I’m talking about. This is a young white girl who works for my company that posted this

    PEOPLE CRACK ME UP.
    Why isnt this all over the media? Why aren’t people protesting and demanding Justice for cannon?
    Because the little boys murderer was arrested the day of the crime, is behind bars, and being held without Bond on First degree murder charges.
    Will he get a paid vacation? No
    Will he be walking free? No
    Will he be sent to prison where he will go through hell for being a child killer? YES.
    So explain to me what justice, what protest, what media outrage you are looking for?
    Are you comparing this to the numbers of black people killed by cops because if you are,
    Did the cops get a paid vacation? Yes
    Did the cops walk free? Yes
    Did the cops go to prison? 1 so far has and she is appealing her case, which is being done under the radar because if social media knew they would be all over Amber.
    So ask yourself, what justice are you looking for? This man will more than likely die horribly in prison as he should but, How many of those cops wrongfully killed a black child or woman and walked free? Where was YOUR outrage?
    Cannon is already getting his Justice and it will be swift.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    Cannon, a poor 5 year old child is getting his justice. Is that what they call that? Justice? Hopefully nothing like this happens to someone in her family, we’ll see if she feels the same way. People are fucked. If she was in front of me now I’d like to smack her so fucking hard she wouldn’t be able to post shit like this for a week! If this is the generation that will be running this country I don’t want to see it.

  115. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike

    I don’t know if you know this but the boys killer and the father knew each other. They are neighbors. They actually had him over for dinner the night before. Which actually makes it more disgusting.

    But it begs the question, do you think that it was just a random black person that killed a random white child bc of their race? I don’t know if the story is about race at all – if it is, it’s newsworthy, but shooting some one’s child is not the typical hate crime you see perpetuated.

    I do think there are some stories on the subject that should be reported and are not being reported

    There’s gotta be a back story on whatever his motivation is

    Also there are subjects that have national relevance like:

    How did some one like this have a gun?

    Did he have a history before this and did the system fail in punishing him? There are numerous stories about dangerous people with serious mental health issues being out there among us – if he is evidence of that, I think it’s newsworthy and can be something people really care about – if the criminal justice system is for failing (frankly we all know it is)

    There are stories the media doesn’t pay enough attention to and there are stories they repeat to an annoying level. I’ve always been frustrated with that on trivial issues like in sports and serious ones like this one. But honestly I don’t think that’s the sort of thing our leaders should be addressing.

    But that said, I think those of you that bring this up have a good point. There is a story there that would interest people and is important to how we run the world around us. So to that degree, you’ve changed my opinion on the subject by talking about it here. I’m not likely to be as dismissive of the story as I was when it was Initially brought up

    But I dont want the news to be about tragedy porn
    I don’t want the news to report things that are so depressing and outrageous it’s the story for people to just clinch their fists
    And reporting about a child’s random murder is really emotional any way you slice it. I don’t eamt any interviews with crying mothers.

    I dont want them to report a story either and say – look at this “here’s a black guy who killed a white child” like it’s tit for tat either. That’s not appropriate. I dont think the news should force stories about every race killing every race to make every race feel comfortable. Maybe the story is being ignored bc it’s not about a white cop killing a black person – but I think it might be disingenuous to present this as a hate crime (although if some one knows that the murderer said something like that, that changes that) it just doesn’t sound like that to me if there ate dinner together the night before.

    And I don’t think the story is. – look how the media ignores this story either, and that seems to be what a lot of conservative pundits want to make the story about. If Fox does a story on why CNN didn’t cover the story, and then ignores the story of why he was able to buy a gun, if he did it illegally and had a criminal record (those are guesses) I think that’s pretty irresponsible

    There are a lot of things that need national attention and media attention, so yeah I agree it shouldn’t be ignored and it probably is being ignored intentionally by some stations bc it doesn’t fit the topics they like to talk about, which is a good point by those of you I generally disagree with

    but I would be really cautious about two things: reporting it as a crime of a black person killing a white child (like it’s an example of something bigger) or reporting Just the magnitude of the tragedy. I honestly think when the news does that and seeks out crying mothers for interviews it’s gross, it always has been

    I don’t want it sprinkled with sensationalism

    The story really has to be about why did this happen at some level bc maybe it is a look into a bigger issue that affects all of us.

    • ocalarob says:

      Piggy,
      a black man killed a white boy, and while you try to randomize it; which is fair.
      that randomization doesn’t work both ways.

      if it was in reverse the nation would be in an uproar right now, so why are we not in an uproar over that?

  116. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – The last thing I want is tragedy porn news, I feel like it’s pretty close to that already which is why it angers me that this got no coverage. I knew he was a neighbor, I think the kid rode through the the guys yard or something like that. I think the bigger point is I need to take a break from social media. I’m not actively looking for these things but I’m finding them nonetheless. It will still be there even if I’m not looking but I need to chill out, I’m starting to build up anger and it’s not good.

  117. ocalarob says:

    didn’t the cop who killed floyd have a history with him? and was that cop charged with murder?
    another random incident that has set this country in anarchy.

    so what’s the difference?

    i would say killing the boy is more heinous. so why are we not rioting and destroying businesses over that?

  118. The Flying Pig says:

    Orob

    That makes no sense

    Why do you want riots and looters?

    You think bc rioter and looters existed in response to none issue it’s now the new measure of how we should always respond

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If you want to riot and loot bc you are upset about it

      Go for it

      I didn’t riot for anyone for the record….lol

    • ocalarob says:

      I don’t want rioters and looters but it seems that ship has sailed.
      and mostly in democratic run states.

      the Dems have a way of pointing out injustice that serves their purpose yet throwing a blind eye to events that dont.

      you’re outraged by other events yet you randomize the 5 year old boy.

      the golden rule, do unto others as you would have others do unto you

  119. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike

    Social media is not a great forum for reason

    I dont really use Facebook anymore

    I enjoy twitter – but the key is to make quick jabs and smart ass remarks
    When I try to engage with people on twitter (and I always fall down that rabbit hole) it’s a mess

  120. ocalarob says:

    It’s very sad that the Dems are using rioting and killing for political purposes, i don’t recall an election with this much dirty politics in my life.
    it’s down right dirty!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      ORob

      So it’s not about the story being underreported to you – it’s about everything else that is reported?

      What are you going after here?

      I don’t get it

      That’s exactly my earlier point. That child’s death is not a platform to attack important things the media does cover. I get people being upset it’s not covered. I don’t get people telling other people what not to be upset about.

      I don’t care for the double standard angle – bc it doesn’t feel like it has anything to do with the child’s death, reporting the motivation behind it or anything we can do to stop something like that – it just feels like an excuse to criticize what is being reported as if those things aren’t important

      if you want to riot – go riot
      I’m not going to stop you.
      If you get caught on tv I will say the same thing I do about other rioter “well he’s upset”
      I’ll be sympathetic

      I don’t want to riot about anything. That’s my thing. I guess I’m weird that way. I can’t even motivate myself to got to dunkin doughnut and get coffee this morning.

      I don’t think it’s productive for people to challenge why other people are upset about anything. I think it’s productive to demand the story be reported the right way – so that People are aware of it and so it can be prevented from happening .

      Like I said. I agree with others it’s a legitimate story. But it’s not a platform to de-legitimize other stories

  121. ocalarob says:

    it’s been dirty since trump took office, the dems have tried to impeach him, spied on his campaign, attacked him every day. how much money did the impeachment cost? anyone with a brain knew that wouldn’t fly yet they spent your tax dollar for political gain. and couldn’t they come up with a better candidate? biden is the worst choice ever! he’s corrupt!

    meanwhile trump forges ahead running the country.

    it’s beyond me to see how anyone could vote for the left, they have created controversy for political gain and all their minions follow behind it.

  122. canamdolphin says:

    Wikipedia: (Oh oh, fake news, right?)
    During his campaign Trump repeatedly promised “I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.”[146] For the first three years of his presidency he said nothing about cutting Social Security or Medicare. In a January 2020 interview he said he planned to “take a look” at entitlement programs like Medicare,[147] but he then said via Twitter “We will not be touching your Social Security or Medicare in Fiscal 2021 Budget.”[148] His proposed 2021 budget, unveiled in February 2020, included a $45 billion cut to the program within Social Security that supports disabled people,[149] as well as cuts to Medicare and Medicaid.[148] In August 2020, as part of a package of executive orders related to the coronavirus pandemic, he signed an order to postpone the collection of the payroll taxes that support Social Security and Medicare, paid by employees and employers, for the rest of 2020. He also said that if he wins re-election, he will forgive the postponed payroll taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax, saying he would “terminate the tax,” although only Congress can change tax law.[150] Analysts said such an action would threaten Social Security and Medicare by eliminating the dedicated funding which pays for the programs.

    • steveccnv says:

      This part about eliminating pay roll taxes and it threatening SS and Medicare is politically motivated and fake news. He clearly said they would be paid through the general fund. You can debate whether or not his insight about the economy growing like he expects, but to say he lied about cuts due to payroll tax elimination isn’t accurate.

      So to be fair, what you have a problem with is Trump lying about something when campaigning, so how do you feel about anyone on the left saying free, free, free, free free (college tuition, medical insurance, college debt payoff or anything else not likely to happen)?

      • canamdolphin says:

        You’re so full of je ne c’est quoi. Read his “executive orders”, then call it “fake news”.

      • steveccnv says:

        The fake moral outrage isn’t going to fly here.

        Tell me what I wrote that you don’t agree with, then answer the hypocrisy of the left question at the end.

      • canamdolphin says:

        Fake moral outrage? Ha! I’m a lifelong registered Republican and retired law enforcement officer and will not vote for Trump. The “left” isn’t in the WH, so I don’t see your point. General fund? What’s wrong with paying social security and medicare through payroll taxes the way it’s always been before Trump?

    • stangerx says:

      He said he’d reduce the deficit too, but I actually don’t damn him as much for breaking campaign promises….. that’s not new at all. He’s done enough stuff in real time that are under his control. Seen his tax returns lately? No he is not legally obligated to disclose, but he promised he would over and over and over. Then he went all the way to the Supreme Court to not disclose.

  123. Mike E. says:

    Philip- There is no question Trump is a liar and he’s full of shit. I’ve yet to find a politician that is otherwise.

    • canamdolphin says:

      Mike, I detest liars and this same old shit. Want to try a new flavor of shit until that becomes unpalatable. Hope you and yours are well!

    • CavalierKong says:

      It’s on the front page of cnn right now

    • stangerx says:

      There were 16,000 murders in the US last year. Seems everyday there are ones that don’t get much coverage other than in their local area.

    • ocalarob says:

      about time! BTW when do the WLM riots start, i didn’t see it in your links?

      • CavalierKong says:

        Ah, so now it’s being covered so you need to pivot instead of just answering the question? I think it’s a fair question, what is it you want?

        If you think there should be a WLM movement, why don’t you start one?

      • CavalierKong says:

        You know it’s funny, I ask a genuine question, and I asked it respectfully, because I am trying to understand the point of view, but all you come back with is a pivot away from answering (likely because you don’t even know what you want in this case) then you move on to hate. There is no attempt at rational explanation so my attempt to come together or find common ground is dead in the water.

      • ocalarob says:

        Take it easy kong, sorry if i upset you, the hypocrisy of the left is my point, nothing personal. in fear of upsetting you again i’ll refrain my responses to you.

  124. stangerx says:

    “Malcolm Perry of Navy is an intriguing prospect because he can play slot WR, RB and QB.”

    If he can play special teams could Perry be the new Jim Jensen?

  125. ocalarob says:

    canamdolphin says:
    August 15, 2020 at 12:51 pm
    General fund? What’s wrong with paying social security and medicare through payroll taxes the way it’s always been before Trump
    ___________________________________________________

    This is not currently happening anyway, it will only be taken from the general fund if he is re-elected.

    not sure how the change would be a benefit or a disadvantage.

    not sure where lying comes into play here either, it hasn’t happened.

    • stangerx says:

      “not currently happening anyway”? Are you saying that SSI deductions from pay checks and matches by employers are not going to SSI? I understand that the system is such that must be supplemented, but thought at least that was happening.

      • ocalarob says:

        I would assume that’s happening, a 50/50 split employer/employee, what does that have to do with taking SS from the general fund?

      • ocalarob says:

        I think you misinterpreted my post, taking SS from the general fund is not happening currently

      • stangerx says:

        You seemed to say that Phillip said in the quoted out portion was not happening. I thought it was…… least before Trump tried to mess with payroll deductions.

      • stangerx says:

        Think my take was as presented…..but might have missed the theme upstream. So good with “misinterpreted.” But general fund support will be a fact of life for SSI and Medicare going forward no matter who the Pres is. Unless we bring down the deficit. Way it is.

  126. Mike E. says:

    Kong – It didn’t get any TV coverage. Not even a mention. If there was it was just a quick mention, not outrage or vitriol if it were to be the other way around, a white man shooting a black child you know what kind of insane over the top reaction that would get regardless if the killer was arrested and hung immediately. They wouldn’t be so eager to say justice was served as that callous heartless fuckface did in that other comment.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Thanks, Mike. I don’t watch network TV, so I kinda thought that might be what you were talking about. I was wanting to understand where you were coming from.

  127. CavalierKong says:

    Rob,

    I’m not upset. That may have been your goal over the last week or so, but believe me when I say you don’t have that ability, lol. If you poke at me, I’ll poke back. If you answer a real question with an emotional response, I’ll point out how you’re being childish. If you act like an adult, I’ll treat you like an adult. If you continue to act like a teenage girl on her period, I’ll treat you like that too 😉

    • CavalierKong says:

      I’ve got three kids, two girls, one still a teenager, and I had almost 15 years straight of dealing with teenagers. Nothing you throw at me could possibly upset me, lol.

      • stangerx says:

        One of my old buddy’s twitter profiles: ” I have 3 girls, an awesome wife and a dog…she’s a girl too.”

      • CavalierKong says:

        LOL, I can relate. Anyone with kids and difficult teenagers knows exactly what I mean when I laugh about someone trying to troll for anger with juvenile online tactics.

        Nothing you say or do can be meaner than some of things teenage girls say, lol.

  128. ocalarob says:

    I can’t wait for the NE game, when was the last time a team beat the Pats back to back, never mind at their home, I truly believe we will win that game!

  129. ocalarob says:

    I’m new to streaming, is there a way to stream Miami games?

  130. Mike E. says:

    Kong – Like I mentioned it, if the races of the victim and killer were reversed, not only would be there outrage but it would simmer in the news for weeks or months. I guess my feeling is just a quick mention and then bye-bye see-ya doesn’t do it for me. Like I said earlier, social media has really been getting me angry lately, maybe even bottled up rage at some things I see. Sometimes I bite my tongue and move along but lately I’ve been responding to these posts in the hopes that it will stifle my anger. Sometimes it does, and then sometimes even when you spell things out for people they refuse to see it because they don’t like what they see. Ya know, kinda like here. 🙂

    • stangerx says:

      Mike — think we all know that there are hardcore BLM folks out there. I’m thankful for body cams cause otherwise many a police shooting would turn into a national hullabaloo. Same time there are ones to legit protest about….like Floyd.

      Don’t think murders of other kinds should get more attention cause of the races involved though. Where’s the win in that? If that one deserved attention regardless of race…… then it should get it.

  131. CavalierKong says:

    I hear ya, and I can understand that anger. You feel outrage at what you feel is unfair treatment and you’re not alone, but I think in general our white community isn’t outraged by an incident like this and its coverage (or lack of) other than in its tragedy, and that is where the difference lies IMO. If white America was up in arms as a community, then maybe this would get more play, but we don’t come together as a community like that because we don’t have a driving force to bring us together.

    For me your anger perfectly illustrates what I perceive to be the anger in the black community, if you take that anger at years of abuse without ‘coverage’, add it to segregation, Jim Crowe, racism, police brutality, etc all the things that have built up for decades and centuries, and maybe that is a taste of the burning fire that is the black movement in America right now. That is the driving force behind what we’re seeing.

    I’m not trying to minimize what you feel, change your anger, or say you’re wrong about the lack of coverage (which I read as caring). You have every right to be. Reading that story breaks my heart. More so because they had a relationship with the bastard. I think Piggy said it yesterday, there must be some mental health issue, or at least it appears so. And yeah, the media sucks. I don’t know if the media coverage is that way because that is what we force it to be by what we consume, or if it’s that way because that is what they force us to be by what they feed us. I think it’s both, which makes us all culpable IMO.

    Much respect, Brother.

    • CavalierKong says:

      And I am getting the stink eye from the wife. Sorry to post a potential conversation starter then run, but we’re still doing the flooring thing and have to go to the showroom to look at tile. I’ll be back in an hour or two,

      And Steve, we’re so supssoed to reach 115 on Tuesday, so maybe I do live in a fu%^ing desert, lol.

  132. Randy says:

    I have never been a fan of reading/watching/listening to “the news” from any source. It’s not unbiased, fair reporting and hasn’t been for decades. I’m not sure why anyone is shocked or upset by how it’s done these days. It’s yellow journalism and propaganda pure and simple. There may be a very small corner of the media that sill operates with journalistic integrity but good luck finding it. STOP WATCHING! Lol

    • stangerx says:

      But if it is “propaganda” then there is a whole bunch of competing propaganda. Where does one find the truth? Cause a whole bunch of people on both sides claim they know it, but they tend to say it is on whatever source they watch. And oddly enough they watch what gives them what they thought to start with.

  133. wyoming85 says:

    Man, sorry I haven’t been able to contribute this morning!

    They were looking for volunteers down at the suppository factory!

    Sizing division! 😉

  134. ocalarob says:

    you dont have to watch the news to know what’s up between the left and the right, just watch the congress hearings, that says it all.

  135. ocalarob says:

    ocalarob says:
    August 15, 2020 at 1:43 pm
    I can’t wait for the NE game, when was the last time a team beat the Pats back to back, never mind at their home, I truly believe we will win that game!

  136. bailbondmike says:

    I had to destress. No better way to do that (when at work) is a 2021 mock draft. LOL Surtain and Waddle went #5 and #6.

    7 Ja’Marr Chase, WR LSU
    12 Marvin Wilson, IDL Florida State
    39 Walker Little, OT Stanford
    44 Jayson Oweh, EDGE Penn State
    71 Charles Snowden, LB Virginia
    102 Kylin Hill, RB Mississippi State
    134 Quentin Lake, S UCLA
    183 Sam Ehlinger, QB Texas
    187 Matt Bushman, TE BYU

  137. Randy says:

    stanger,
    I never said it was all the same propaganda. Take your pick! There are plenty of “news sources” out there that will reinforce your opinion….whatever it is.
    ****
    It’s kinda like how folks around here like the Dolphins reporters when they report what they believe and hate them when they don’t. Lol

    • stangerx says:

      Yeah — the one that bugs me the most is “Fake News.” Think these days just means “I don’t agree” even if the news actually wasn’t “fake.” Just maybe more to it. Or maybe just doesn’t match up to what the person wants to hear.

  138. son of a son of a shula says:

    75th anniversary of VJ Day

    God bless the great veterans of this country.

  139. bailbondmike says:

    7 Patrick Surtain II, CB Alabama
    12 Marvin Wilson, IDL Florida State
    39 Walker Little, OT Stanford
    44 Najee Harris, RB Alabama
    71 Charles Snowden, LB Virginia
    102 Chris Rumph II, EDGE Duke
    134 Anthony Schwartz, WR Auburn
    183 Sam Ehlinger, QB Texas
    187 Shawn Davis, S Florida

  140. pheloniusphish says:

    “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f–k things up.” – Barack Obama

  141. pheloniusphish says:

    We haven’t had unbiased reporting since the advent of the 24-hour cable news cycle.

  142. wyoming85 says:

  143. CavalierKong says:

    Cards finally back to playing ball. After our win in the first game of a doubleheader we’re sitting in 2nd place in the division at 3-3, lol.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Only 1/2 game back in the WC chase. That ain’t right.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Buzkashi?

    • stangerx says:

      “The Reds became the third Major League Baseball team to have games called off because one of its players tested positive for COVID-19.The last two games of a series between the Reds and Pittsburgh Pirates at Great American Ball Park were postponed Saturday. ” — might give the Redbirds a change to get more wins than the Bucs. 🙂

  144. bailbondmike says:

    After our win in the first game of a doubleheader we’re sitting in 2nd place in the division at 3-3
    —————————————————
    Who’s in 1st? 😉

  145. wyoming85 says:

  146. CavalierKong says:

    Cards are back, won both games of the double header. After the series final tomorrow against the Whitesox, we play the Cubs 5 times from Monday to Wednesday. That is a big opportunity to get right back into it. We’ve got 11 double headers scheduled in the next month and a half.

  147. steveccnv says:

    Anyone seen the Yahoo Fantasy Football commercial, with the 3 snowflakes on a hiking trail, that come across a coyote? make better choices is the slogan. Reminds me of college lefties, they need to make better choices too😉

  148. Tim Knight says:

    I think it’s pretty accurate to say that politics have absorbed people in ways I don’t really remember being the case say may a decade or so ago. It’s bizarre to me.

    • CavalierKong says:

      It’s sad. I don’t know how we find our way back. And I don’t think it matters who wins in November. We already know what it looks like under Trump, and it’s not going to magically get better under a lame duck Biden. There just doesn’t seem to be any way forward to find common ground, and it sure seems like most people don’t even want to.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Sadly I totally agree. That’s why term limits has to become a grass roots movement. Don’t allow politicians to make a multi-decade career out of it. Look at it like a civil service for awhile and move on.

  149. Tim Knight says:

    So any Dolphins news of significance?

  150. Tim Knight says:

    Thinking about how the dynamics have changed with Grier and Flores who are totally on the same page, think about this. The first thing they did was address the QB position. They moved on from Tannehill, brought in the vet in Fitz who has the right mindset to be that transitional guy, traded a 2nd and 5th for a former #10 pick QB in Rosen the year before, and drafted Tua at #5 after the blow it up season. They immediately tried to increase their odds at QB within two years. How else do you do it?

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s it, you must have a QB, or the oddball Ravens or Donkies great D.

      Tua has IT written all over him. You watch his game tape or highlights, it doesn’t matter he’s IT. Watch Burrow or Herbert and they don’t show up on tape.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Burrow had a historic college season, Tua has always had IT – durability is his main con, and Herbert has a big upside. They’re all good QB prospects. Now let’s see how it pans out.

        Like I’ve said before, if Tua gets it early on and he’s good to go, start him sooner than later. He’s the future.

  151. ocalarob says:

    I doubt Tua will start this year barring injury.
    Chan Gailey likes Fitzpatrick and is one of the considerations for coming out of retirement. I really think Fitz is Gaileys man to run this offense and i doubt that will change in the near future.

    • Ken says:

      I think the plan is start and play Fitz but I expect you will see them work Tua into some time on the field so as to give him some experience

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed. Tua is doing everything anyone else is doing on the field. He’s not in a cast or limping around. The franchise wants to get him going as soon as possible. Tua is supposed to be the face of the franchise in the new era. Everyone knows it!

  152. bailbondmike says:

    It got quiet yesterday evening. I thought the election was over and I missed it. LOL

  153. bailbondmike says:

    I like the addition of Dinson to the Safety group. He actually graded out as the top safety in the SEC last year ahead of McKinney. He is a decent cover safety and a solid tackler. His horrific knee injury in 2016 must have scared a lot of teams. He will have to learn fast if he is going to stick.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yep!

    • steveccnv says:

      Last season’s personnel was the equivalent of Flores and crew making banana bread without the bananas and nuts,

      Omar’s version of chix salad out of chix shit

      which explains why the final product was bad, with the Dolphins finishing 2019 as one of the NFL’s worst run defenses, and the worst pass-rushing unit.

      Omar using stats to back his opinion.

  154. bailbondmike says:

    I was thinking about this yesterday. I think Orob brought it up a few days ago. As we get closer to the start of the season, if X is not ready to go, why not give him a 1 year 10 mil deal? Move McCain back to slot. Or, do you think that would impede development of our new DB draftee’s?

    https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/15/could-dolphins-financially-fit-free-agent-logan-ryan-in-the-picture/

    • Mike E. says:

      Slot should mostly be Iggy Mahogany’s domain, I’d like to see a healthy McCain get another shot at safety. On that note though, I do believe all of those guys are going to get reps at a few positions, FS, SS, NB, slot corner, outside corner etc . . .

    • bailbondmike says:

      I would be against it. Especially since we don’t know where the cap will be next year. I would rather draft and pay a rookie less than take on a vet and a huge contract. I think with what we did this off season and the way they keep churning the bottom half of the roster has put us in a good position to continue building through the draft.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I might be open to the idea of picking up a known olineman this way depending on how our line looks this year, but generally speaking I agree with you. It goes against our philosophy.

        If we really don’t like the way 2021 shapes up draftwise, I think a better plan would be to do our best to trade out on a couple of picks to have a more normal draft and build more capital in 2022.

    • steveccnv says:

      I might think about the Logan Ryan situation from the above article, but I’m not giving up a top 2 round pick and pay a vet big money.

  155. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      He sure looks to be in great shape. His stats last year were impressive for a rookie and he seems to have that drive and love for the game that the greats have.

  156. wyoming85 says:

  157. steveccnv says:

    I could see Wilkins as a break out player this year, but we may not notice it in the stats. This system thrives by everyone doing their job, uses players with multiple skills to confuse the O and spreads the stat wealth.

    Stats on the back end tend to be inflated with ints and even sacks, based on what the front 7 does.

  158. wyoming85 says:

  159. ocalarob says:

    MIA VS PATS, 4 WEEKS TO GO

  160. stangerx says:

    Interesting postscript to a Phinsider article —

    “Site Management Note-If this post goes off in any political direction the offending commentators will be suspended and all comments to this post will be closed.”

    Guess they don’t play as nice over there as we do. 🙂

  161. stangerx says:

    Bryce Sterk was taken by the Bengals and and DB Steven Parker was taken by the Vikes. Glad to see they still have a shot. Also sorta of nice that these days other teams want the guys we cut.

  162. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – Social media has really brought out peoples opinions on politics. Just cruise through FB for about 10 minutes and you will see hundreds of memes from both the left and the right. It’s amazing to me how radical some people are. there are things I see from some coworkers I really wish I could unsee. They are so radical left it’s shocking and appalling. I dislike that as much as I do the radical right. I see so many young white women going so over the top for the BLM that it seems like they want to exterminate the white race entirely. I hope they look in the mirror before they press the button though because they’re going right down with me once they do. The fact that they were sympathetic to the BLM won’t matter, it will all be over.

    • stangerx says:

      Internet let the common folk speak…. now we get to hear what they have to say. But that part been going on for a while. The other is Trump.

      All the other presidents in our lifetime won and then tried to win over the people who didn’t vote for them. Whether how they saw the job or best way to get re-elected…. what they did. Trump stuck with his base, which divided us.

      And those young white girls going BLM are just the canary in the coal mine. Trump base is older, white and rural. All of those dying breeds, least relatively.

  163. Mike E. says:

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

    That’s awesome! Much props to Alex Smith!

  164. olddolphan says:

    THERE WAS A “30 FOR 30” DOCUMENTARY on Alex Smith’s very long and dangerous road to recovery. Terrific film!! But NOT for those who can’t stand to look at a horrific wound. Hats off to Alex for pulling off a recovery most thought (with good reason) was IMPOSSIBLE!!!
    ————
    WELL my recent good luck with medical issues took a not so good turn last week. One of my surgeons told me I needed double hernia surgery ASAP.!! I’m now convalescing at home under the wonderful care of Mrs. OD. I’ll have a post-op meeting with the surgeon sometime this week. He’ll tell me how many weeks I’ll need to take off work, etc., etc. This means, of course, that I’ll get to see as many playoff hockey games as my bleary eyes can stand for a couple of weeks. This procedure was, and IS, a bit more painful than I thought it would be. But, hell, in a few more weeks I’ll be back to my ornery old self, authenticating coins and working long hours and doing my share of paying my taxes!!
    ———–
    NOTED that Colin Cowherd is picking the Patriots for LAST PLACE IN THE AFC EAST this season!! He picks Buffalo to win this division, with Miami second at 7-9. Barring a bad run of injuries, I believe the Dplphins will have a winning season and a REAL SHOT at a playoff spot.

    • Mike E. says:

      Sorry to hear OD – Best wishes to you for a speedy recovery!

      • olddolphan says:

        THANKS, Mike!! – – I hope you and all the folks up your way have their power back and are fully recovered from that nasty tropical storm.

    • stangerx says:

      Getting old sucks OD….. but no one handles it better than you. Double hernia is easier than a Phins owner. 🙂

  165. manitobafinfan says:

    Great story that Smith has recovered to this point..
    OD: glad to hear surgery went well, and Go Lightning !!!

  166. manitobafinfan says:

    Fantasy Football :
    hey people.. i have sent out an email to last years players in FinsMob Unleashed Fantasy League about this years League..please get back to me whether in or out … Thank you for prompt reply Stanger..

    if there is anyone else who would like to play in a bragging rights league, email me at drp667@hotmail.com..
    Go with the FLO !!!

  167. Mike E. says:

    Toba – I’m in, but draft would have to be about 9PM if possible, I work till at least 7PM

  168. Mike E. says:

    Toba – “Going with the Flo” is my team name in 2 different FF leagues

  169. olddolphan says:

    MANITOBA: The two best teams I’ve seen in the Stanley Cup Playoffs so far are Vegas and Philly. But any one of a about 7-8 teams could win it as they are SO EVENLY MATCHED!!
    YOUNG STANGER: One of my surgeons told me my goal of working full time at least until I’m 80 is certainly within my reach. And another of my doctors wants to talk to me about rare coins and bullion!! –Looks like I’m gonna remain busy for quite some time, eh??

  170. wyoming85 says:

    Get better fast OD!!!!!

  171. ocalarob says:

    bailbondmike says:
    August 16, 2020 at 1:57 pm
    Orob, was that directed at you. LOL
    ____________________________________

    Hell Yeah, That dude on phinsider had the nerve to tell me he wasn’t voting for Trump!

  172. manitobafinfan says:

    Gonna be a fight right away in the Mtl/Philly game

  173. steveccnv says:

    VGK loses their first game today. The game winning goal was scored, almost like a corner kick in soccer, when the dumbass goalie tried to save a shot from the corner with his head, resulting in an own goal.

  174. CavalierKong says:

    Blues finally closed out a game. Chance tomorrow to get back to even.

  175. wyoming85 says:

  176. wyoming85 says:

  177. wyoming85 says:

  178. ocalarob says:

    is wilkins a bust?

    • steveccnv says:

      I saw that video he’s basically mocking people for calling DTs a bust after 1 season, when they have no clue how the position works in the NFL.

  179. wyoming85 says:

  180. wyoming85 says:

    • Mike E. says:

      YES!! Start hitting! Need to get those bodies in football shape while you can!

      • D says:

        Actually i see it as the point the body starts to wear down. I mean its good for them to get into the mode where they learn to get the timing down for bracing for contact or rolling with the contact to avoid injury but thats more instinct anyways, not a lot of conditioning needed. IMO the only thing you lose with a no contact PS, is full speed looks, and to me those are very important, the contact really doesn’t do anything for them except put strain on their bodies.

      • D says:

        Trust me, i never thought to myself when i got hurt out there on the field, ya know if i had just got hit like this more in practice id be fine lol.

  181. wyoming85 says:

    • D says:

      The really big thing is to stretch and do a lot of that, especially in the early stages. You are probably not getting a full range of motion on the helmet only and/or the helmet and shoulder-pads stuff. You aren’t going full speed. So what it take to stay limber and not get hurt in that scenario is next to nothing, so it sets up bad limbering habits. I dont think lack of contact does much of anything to keep a person from getting injured, its more lack of the accompanying seriousness put towards the limbering and the training. Like id be doing a walk through, then a mild contact then working way to full contact in every practice just to let the ligaments, etc have a chance to limber up. Even at the expense of the time they have for full contact, staging up would be best.

  182. wyoming85 says:

  183. D says:

    You have to think about the thing thats being injured and how. I ligament doesn’t “strengthen” its not a muscle, so its all about how elastic it is. Yo9u get that from slowly stretching and pushing the limits of that elasticity to make it more elastic.

    Think of it as a brand new rubber band that hasn’t been used before. Its really rigid but as you stretch it to its limits a few time slowly, it begins to become more elastic. If you go straight to hitting its limits from a cold start it snaps. Same deal with those tendons and ligaments. Impact from a hit cant help that because every impact from a hit is the super stretch all at once, so these injuries are prevented before contact, before running plays, etc, its in the stretching, etc.

    Its also likely to happen anyways, no matter the amount of contact, no matter the stretching, sometimes you just exceed the limits of the tendon or its binding to the bone and you get a tear. Contact cant physically help you prepare better, it really only helps you get a fee for full speed and adjustments that are made so you aren’t caught off guard and have a major stretching of those ligaments from not absorbing the impact of a hit.

  184. D says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 17, 2020 at 10:10 am

    I saw that video he’s basically mocking people for calling DTs a bust after 1 season, when they have no clue how the position works in the NFL.
    ———————————————————————-
    I also would say thats true at any year. Watching the stats of a DT is a horrible metric, you have to read between the lines, but if your run defense is good, and you are flushing QB’s to the outside you have a good DT, and a good 3 down DT. He doesnt have to make the sack, but the sack number will probable be pretty good since the cleanest way a QB can escape pressure and not step right into it is stepping forward int he pocket, no place to step forward meas tuck and run or flush right into your DE’s as long as they arent getting blown out by the OT’s.

    DT’s could have low tackle numbers, because they clog up the middle and force the RB to kick it out, or choose another gap where the LB’s are waiting, these are by play design a lot of time. Its nto all a life of shooting the gap and making the play for a good DT, and its unfortunate that a lot of the better DT’s get applauded when a lot of times they can be the cause of a major play breakdown because they were trying to be the play maker and not the support teammate needed on that particular play.

  185. wyoming85 says:

  186. wyoming85 says:

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