WR Corps suffer legitimate depth issues with 2 COVID-19 opt outs

Many of you here didn’t really value the services of one Allen Hurns, and maybe I’m on the side of overrating him, but Hurns was on target to be the starter opposite DeVante Parker at least into training camp. If Preston Williams proved he was healthy and battle ready then it’s possible Hurns slipped down the depth chart as he was replaced by the younger, more explosive Williams. IN any case, Hurns was a veteran receiver with AFC experience and one that thrived playing opposite a very talented receiver in Allen Robinson in Jacksonville. Never as much of a big play threat as Robinson, Hurns was a steady, reliable , professional possession receiver. Albert Wilson looked like he was almost all the way back last season, especially towards the end of the season. The last 3 games he caught 17 passes which is nearly half of his season’s production of 41 receptions. He had the lowest YPC average of his career at 8.1 and only one TD but the hip injury that cut his 2019 season short really took its toll on the receiver as he finally worked his way back. I do recall seeing a couple of plays at the end of the year where his explosiveness resembled the player of 2019 where he was turning nothing into something big routinely.

Before the opt outs, I felt like we had a very strong WR room with serious depth and a nice mix of youth and veterans. Parker is 27, Wilson 28 and Allen Hurns 28, along with young up and comers like Preston Williams (23), Gary Jennings (23), Isaiah Ford (24), Malcolm Perry (23) and Jakeem Grant who is now 27. If Preston Williams is ready he takes Hurns spot on the outside opposite Parker. Which receiver or receivers get to thrive in the slot? Jakeem Grant will be in the running as will Gary Jennings and 7th RD draftee Malcolm Perry. Grant has the speed and explosiveness Wilson had but not the size, Grant (5’6 171) is about 25 lbs lighter and doesn’t have the run power to break tackles like Wilson did. Gary Jennings is a little less speedy and explosive but has good size at 6’1 216. Jennings ran a 4.42 at the combine and put up 20 reps so he has some upper body strength. Malcolm Perry is closest size wise and elusiveness to Wilson but doesn’t have the top speed that Wilson had. Perry ran 4.63 40 at the combine. If you watch Perry play though, he always looks fast enough and is a very slippery runner. The Dolphins signed Colts WR Chester Rogers to a 1YR deal which deepens the depth a little. Rogers caught 53 passes in 2018, just 16 last year playing behind WR Zach Pascal.

The biggest concern I have about our WR’s, or really any unit on our team is the depth. If we’ve learned anything by watching MLB, NBA or NHL in 2020 in the year of COVID-19 is that players drop like flies. One second they’re on the team and the next they’re on COVID-19 protocol. Add in the usual NFL injuries, especially considering this year with a huge lack of practices and no preseason games and you will likely see how important good depth will be. I’d even question whether the league will be able to play a full season. We’re going to have to count on a bunch of our deeper depth players this season and I hope we get them all ready for action. When Chan Gailey was with the Jets in 2015-2016, he utilized Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker mostly, with a decent amount of passing to the RB’s Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell. In 2016 Decker was gone after 3 games and replaced by Quincy Enunwa and the offense didn’t really feature a slot WR much. Robby Anderson provided the deep threat on the outside and again, the RB’s, now Matt Forte and Bilal Powell caught a bunch of passes. Jordan Howard isn’t much of a pass catcher but Matt Breida is a good receiver out of the backfield who was stifled by playing time in a 3 headed attack in SF with Raheem Mostert and Tevin Coleman and also CJ Beathard. Malcolm Perry may also get some use out of the backfield and Kalen Ballage was thought to be a good receiver although he didn’t get to show any of those skills here in MIA. Patrick Laird and Kenyan Drake caught the most passes at RB. In any case, one thing we’ll probably have to get used to in 2020 is NEXT MAN UP . . .

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2,262 Responses to WR Corps suffer legitimate depth issues with 2 COVID-19 opt outs

  1. wyoming85 says:

  2. Ken says:

    Was Albert Wilson still on the roster? I don’t see either of them as a major loss

  3. Ken says:

    Finally got power back today

    • stangerx says:

      Ain’t that a good feeling. You hear something turn on and it’s like Christmas.

    • Mike E. says:

      Glad to hear Ken! Yes, Wilson was in line to be our starting 3rd WR or slot WR. He finally started to look healthy at the end of last season. We’ll see if it’s a loss or not, someone or someone(s) need to step up!

  4. stangerx says:

    Mike E — how different that would have read if your wrote it two weeks ago. Herns and Wilson were 2 of our top 5 WRs.

    Q for you — is Grant really better suited to slot? With his size you’d think so but the coaches have put him out wide maybe even more so in the past. And while the speed is blazing, not as sure about the hands. Like him on the outside when it was either run deep or do the slant in front of the CB who was worried about the deep.

    • Mike E. says:

      It depends on the coverage but if a LB or S tries to cover him they will have a hard time keeping up if he can get off the jam. He’s so damned quick and gets up to speed in a hurry. I mean that’s how we used Wilson, although in Gase’s offense it a 1000 different screens. Still, the idea of getting the ball to him closer to the LOS suits him best because I think his hands and tracking are below average and he’s not going to beat anyone on a 50/50 ball like Parker or Williams.

      • stangerx says:

        For sure he might not be better than Parker or Williams given the height/hands thing. But actually thinking a guy like Perry is a more pure slot guy. Yet maybe Grant with his speed is better over all, but also thinking on a great team he’d be the guy you trot out when you go 3 wide. His speed scares folks.

  5. wyoming85 says:

    Ah Ken get a little AC!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Mike E. says:

    Ken – I figured you guys would have been staying in a hotel with wifi for work.

  7. CavalierKong says:

    Watching the Blues vs Stars and I’ve seen this game before. Blues start off slow in the 1st period take the lead on their 1st shot.

  8. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – If he could be a lesser version of Tyreek Hill that would be great. They throw the ball to him all over the field, especially when a play breaks down he gets open, but I’m not sure Grant has that kind of savvy. My thought was just try to get this kid the ball in space and it’s easier to get a little separation close to the LOS and then if he’s only single covered he may be able to quickly find some room to move. Tyreel is so much better at than Grant getting to the ball deep because his tracking skills are far superior. Hill is also 4″ taller than Grant, he just seems small.

    • stangerx says:

      He’s a always a move away from a TD, but not sure he is the 3rd and 5 guy. But maybe they scheme for his skills.

      • Mike E. says:

        No, right about that. I’d sooner see Gesicki in the slot on 3rd and 5 and have either Durham Smythe inline TE or Adam Shaheen, whomever proves better.

      • stangerx says:

        And with that TE on the line you can have Breida in the the backfield to either take the rush or catch the dump off. He’s got serious jets as well. Not sure how good his blocking is though.

  9. wyoming85 says:

  10. CavalierKong says:

    So this week is the ramp up period of practice, and teams actually start full practice next week. We’ll have only 14 padded practices by the time we play our first game. I really wish they had approved at least 1 preseason game.

    “The August 12-16 period will be the “gradual ramp-up period,” with players limited to a maximum of 3.5 hours on the field each day. The first practice will be a 90-minute session, then 15 minutes will be added each day, up to 120 minutes. The remaining time for each 3.5 hour limit will be conducted during a walk-through. Players can wear helmets and approved protective shirts on August 12 and 13, then helmets and shells in non-contact work on August 14 and 16. August 15th will be an off day.

    Veterans and rookies will moves into the “contact integration period” on August 17, running through September 6. Padded practices area allowed to begin, and the CBA’s limits on contact work still apply. During this period, padded practices will begin at 90 minutes, with 15 minute increases each day, though no increase or decrease will follow an off day. Teams can have a maximum of 14 padded practices in the 21 days of the period.”


    • Mike E. says:

      There’s probably going to be sloppy play from a bunch of teams, but I bet you can count on the teams who have continuity to be much better prepared. Flores and the coaches will have to do a masterful job to get all these new faces working together well with so little time.

  11. CavalierKong says:

    Sheesh, Blues with 6 penalty kills in 2 periods. Way too many mistakes. Even with that, we actually look like the better team for the first time in 3 games, more because Dallas looks terrible though. 3rd period, 1 goal lead, I’m not confident.

  12. wyoming85 says:

  13. The Flying Pig says:

    I’m so out of shape bc of quarantine

    I rode 50 miles today and I almost died
    It fell like 200 miles

  14. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – I can’t recall where I read it, but I believe Breida is pretty stout at pass blocking out of the backfield. I’m trying to think where I saw it but I got nuthin’

  15. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike it’s not stationary

    I rode from my neighborhood in Astoria queens, into Brooklyn (Williamsburgh) then headed to Brighton beach

    Hung out at the beach for an hour

    Then rode from there in queens and back to Astoria

    • Mike E. says:

      Wow, my old neighborhood! Where in BB were you? I lived on Ocean Parkway and Brighton Beach Ave, we walked right across the street to the beach.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I took Bedford Ave all the way down from Williamsburgh

        And then when you get to the water you have to go a short distance on emmons to one of the streets right before Coney Island Avenue

        That area by emmons is beautiful
        It’s a boating community

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Doesn’t really look like what you expect to see in Brooklyn

      • Mike E. says:

        That’s Sheepshead Bay Piggy. I always liked it there, there are some landmark restaurants there. My moms travel business was on Coney Island Ave a few stores away from Brighton Beach Avenue.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        It’s basically very Russian now

  16. CavalierKong says:

    F%^ing Dallas scores with 30 seconds left in the game, smh. 2 of 3 games with a score at the end of the very end.

  17. Mike E. says:

    LOL – I was just scrolling through twitter and I came across this . . .


  18. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – Oh yeah. I remember walking down Brighton Beach Ave when I was probably like 6-8 years old and I noticed all these signs on stores were now in Russian and it was so strange to me. By the time I left Brooklyn in 1991 it was almost entirely Russian, and that spread to Sheepshead Bay too and elsewhere. They called it Odessa By the Sea while I was there. You should have gone to Roll-N-Roaster in Sheepshead bay, got a turkey sandwich with french fries and cheese. Mmm mmm!

  19. stangerx says:

    No wonder Toba hasn’t been around much…. other things to do. 🙂
    “Despite Canada’s reputation for politeness, some American drivers are seeing a different side to their northern neighbors. Vandals have begun targeting cars with US license plates in Canada, keying or otherwise damaging the vehicles and harassing the drivers.

    The hostility against American drivers (or those perceived as such) has been so prevalent that John Horgan, premier of British Columbia, has advised those driving with US license plates to consider changing them or travel by public transit or bicycle instead.”

  20. CavalierKong says:

    My Cards have only played 5 games, the next closest is the Marlins with 10, and everyone else has played at 13-16. The series against the Pirates has been canceled, so that means no games for us until Thursday at the earliest. Assuming we pick up play then, we’ll be about 10-15 games behind everyone else. I don’t think they will be able to make all that up.

    If the Cards end up missing a bunch more time, they should be disqualified from post season contention IMO. They created this mess for themselves by not following protocol and now missed games are stacking up.

    • Mike E. says:

      It’s some crazy shit. I know they (MLB) did NOT expect to end up with a situation like this. I really don’t know how they fix this.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yeah, I don’t know either. They can make up a few games with double headers, and if they can get their season total to within 5 or so of everyone else, then I think that can work, but I’m not sure they’ll be able to do that. I don’t think it’s fair to go by winning percentage for a team with 10-15 fewer games. That’s a quarter of this season.

        This should be a valuable lesson for the NFL and their players. A chance to say ‘look what happened to them and their season because a few people were selfish and broke the rules.’

      • Mike E. says:

        No doubt. Should be a valuable lesson, but you know these people think they’re invincible. Heck, to be honest with you, when we went on vacation a few weeks ago we were as careless and carefree as can be be. Boom! COVID-19 for everyone! Yay!

  21. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Kong!

    • Mike E. says:

      Can we do that at the bottom too? You want to come into our country you have to cross a moat that’s a mile wide full of crocodiles, alligators and hippos. Hippos are real human killers. Fuck the wall, build the moat!

  22. CavalierKong says:

  23. CavalierKong says:

  24. Rockphin says:

    LOL Guys. You all can kiss my

    Rock Bottom

  25. Rockphin says:


  26. Tim Knight says:

    Good write, Mike. We’ll just have to go with the flow like other teams this year. I think we should be more competitive because I think we have a better roster overall than last year. But we’re just getting started with Phase II in a very strange time. Just keep building the program and becoming a better team.

  27. ocalarob says:

    what about this guy? Miami keeps resigning him.

  28. ocalarob says:

    i don’t think Hurns will be missed as much as Wilson, let;s hope Grant can stay healthy and fill his shoes

  29. wyoming85 says:

    Getting closer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  30. wyoming85 says:

  31. Rockphin says:

    I hadn’t heard this (That we picked him up or that he retired)

    Claimed off waivers last month, defensive tackle Ray Smith is hanging it up; he’s been placed on the reserve/retired list.

  32. steveccnv says:

    Chester Rogers and Ricardo Louis both have a salary cap figure of 750K, so they don’t affect the cap at this time, and are just a couple of guys brought in monetarily, no risk, to be given a chance to earn a job. We may see a revolving door at WR 5 and 6 the first half of the season. Surely we have one and possibly 2 on the PS.

    If you haven’t seen Roger’s highlights he’s a shifty WR with some quickness and flash ability. I’d say Grant will be given every opportunity to be the first slot WR, but if he can’t cut it Rogers can pick up the slack. Likely we’ll see multiple guys lined up there, even if someone establishes themselves. Week to week it may change based on opponent.

    Rogers now makes Grant less of a have to perform player, because of the depth he brings.

    We’ve got plenty of WR options now to get through the season barring a run of injuries.

  33. wyoming85 says:

  34. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      Maybe no momentum, but it energized the rebuild for the team and fans, and setup the appearance of a bright future for FAs, and let everyone know his system works. So it had a huge influence on the organization in general.

    • D says:

      Its the general philosophy in competitive anything, cant live off past success, the time to suceed is now, not then.

  35. wyoming85 says:

  36. D says:

    Right now i cant see Rogers as anything but a camp body, i dont have any expectation for him or Ricardo Lewis, anymore than we can have for the young guys. I think its a lock for maybe 4 spots, i dont think 5-6 are anywhere close to decided. Id prefer it to be Kirk Merritt and Jennings, i think they are young with upside, and Matt Cole could go on the PS if he doesnt beat out Jennings. I am just not a fan if journeyman receivers.

    • steveccnv says:

      I mostly agree on journeyman receivers, but the slot is different, I think lesser talents can excel there, or at least help contribute.

      I think having a couple guys that have some experience in the NFL is important, takes a little time to acclimate, but I’m with you on the guys like Merritt that have a higher ceiling. It’s just safer to bring in Rogers and Louis in at the minimum, instead of depending on rookies. If the rookies look good in camp, you run with them, if not go with vets and let the rooks go to PS.

      Basically these were insurance signings or CYA signings, something we haven’t seen before.

  37. D says:

    Rockphin says:
    August 10, 2020 at 8:37 am

    I hadn’t heard this (That we picked him up or that he retired)

    Claimed off waivers last month, defensive tackle Ray Smith is hanging it up; he’s been placed on the reserve/retired list.
    I had heard we had a DT that the coaches tried talking out of retiring but never found the name of who it was, i guess maybe thats him.

  38. D says:

    wyoming85 says:
    August 9, 2020 at 11:55 am

    Alabama WR 17 Jaylen Waddle is the best run-after-catch weapon in college football. But don’t underestimate him as a vertical route runner. He gives defensive backs fits with his twitchy athleticism. Top-5 WR and 1st rd pick in 2021. pic.twitter.com/WSbWQaK0vT

    — Todd McShay (@McShay13) August 9, 2020
    Thats one of the firsts i would use in the draft….He or his buddy Devonta Smith, who is a lot like Jerry Jeudy. Id rather have Waddle though.

  39. ocalarob says:

    who will gain more yards Brieda or Howard??

  40. Rockphin says:

    I just hope each has more yards than all of our QB’s combined!

  41. Rockphin says:

    Rut Row

    • stangerx says:

      I’m gonna bet the only conference that plays is the SEC.

      • D says:

        In the South, college football, specifically the SEC is HUGE, they may though cancel if they start getting a lot of players opt out or if they basically have to follow the lead of all the other power confrences. You see another one out of the Power 5 drop out, they will probably all drop out.

      • stangerx says:

        Football is like church in the SEC. Thought it a bold guess to say would be them and them alone….. but a guess is all it was.

  42. wyoming85 says:

    The Big 10 and the Pac 12 are supposed to opt out today?

    But I haven’t heard anything other than “From the sources”!

    I can see the Pac12 schools opting out. But I have a hard time with believing Ohio State won’t play?

  43. wyoming85 says:

  44. steveccnv says:

    That’s what happens when you throw politics into sports.

    • D says:

      Seems like politics is in everything these days, probably why everything is so fucked up

    • stangerx says:

      Guess when 160,000 people die it is inevitable that the national health crisis has politicians paying attention. How else could it be?

      • D says:

        Not political like that, being used in a political war. Its not that im saying politicans shouldnt be involved but they should actually be trying to do something instead of just trying to use it to either make themselves look good or the opponent look bad. Who cares about the political gain from this when people are dying and their lives are being completely trashed.

      • stangerx says:

        Hard to not agree with that. Just don’t think University Presidents are thinking about political message so much when it comes to the safety of their students and college sports. But for sure some politicians may use it like masks, but neither those nor college sports are political.

      • D says:

        I think unfortunately its all intertwined as the message we get and a lot of the data is being skewed on both sides, which leads to the universities and state governemnts basing their decisions off of the spun data. Thats what im saying about the world is that politics has become so intertwined with our culture until you have a hard tim sorting the facts from the spin.

      • steveccnv says:

        Lol, College sports couldn’t be any more political.

  45. stangerx says:

    Looks like Dan Patrick agrees with SEC looking to play no matter what.
    Dan Patrick Show@dpshow
    DP was told an hour ago that the Big 10 and Pac 12 will cancel their football seasons tomorrow… The ACC and the Big 12 are on the fence.. And the SEC is trying to get teams to join them for a season.

    • D says:

      Yeah i agree they will hold out as long as possible, they are going to try to play, but they cant stay in there by themselves and those on the fence are gonna flip wihen those other two fall, and then its SEC by itself, and even they know thats an exercise in futility.

      • steveccnv says:

        Why can’t the SEC play against each other?

        Pac12 is mostly dem states, CA dominated, so that one was a no brainer. Big10 and the whackjob Mich gov., so ditto.

      • D says:

        They could but whats the point, i mean yeah you have football but there is no real excitement in just winning the SEC anymore. I mean there is an there isnt because whoever wins the SEC most likely wins it all, but the SEC wants to bring hime the big trophy and the SEC championship is not the big prize. I think the season would be really dull without the culmination of a BCS Championship and you cant really have that without at least most of the power 5 to make it legit.

      • steveccnv says:

        The SEC just want those 4 cupcakes to pad their records🤔

        Southeast Missouri A&I, Northwest Appalachian State, Grambling State…

      • D says:

        Maybe more so they just get a break from haymakering each other. Notice the cupcake games are just before another brutal showdown. Most conferences schedules are cupcake schedules, we have maybe 2 games each year like that. Also those last two ya mentioned arent really cupcakes, they pack some punch even though they come from a smaller school conference, they wouldn’t be at the bottom of some of the other conferences.

  46. wyoming85 says:

  47. stangerx says:

    “Lol, College sports couldn’t be any more political.”

    steve — I played two of them in college and didn’t find any politics. What was I missing?

    • steveccnv says:

      I’m not talking about for players, I’m talking about at the top. Was the subject about players opting out?

      A lot has changed since we were college age too.

      • stangerx says:

        This is really the call of the college presidents. Too big an item not for them to take over from their AD on it. If your point is that the people who fund them get involved in something as big as this… then you are probably right. But then places like Stanford are private.

      • steveccnv says:

        Yes exactly

  48. Mike E. says:

    Jim Harbaugh didn’t want to play, he’s tired of Michigan being OSU’s little bitch. lol

    • D says:

      Michigan has been everybody’s little bitch recently, been a while since they were really relevant and the bad thing is they are second most relevant team in that conference, sorry PSU.

      • steveccnv says:

        Michigan hasn’t been a force, since that dipshit, former Aussie rules football player lost that game for them, when he tried to Garo a bitched punt.

  49. steveccnv says:

    Half Habib says, Miami Dolphins considering option of keeping one quarterback in quarantine. So how exactly would that work? Can you just cheat and put someone that doesn’t have it in quarantine?

  50. D says:

    Damn i just noticed how imbalanced the east is from the west in the Big 10. OSU, Mich, Mich St., PSU, all in the east, and really only team of any relevance in the west is Wisconsin, and thats not saying much.

  51. D says:

    I think what they meant was not around the rest of the players lol. Someone who couldnt catch it with the rest if they had a team outbreak.

    • stangerx says:

      Guess the key reason would be if one of the QBs got it and gave it to the others at QB meetings. Then you’d still have one. Whole team gets it no point.

  52. D says:

    They could put Dr. Rosen Rosen, in a bubble. He doesnt seem like the type to really do anything exciting in his personal life anyways.

  53. wyoming85 says:

  54. steveccnv says:

    Here’s a different approach to white privilege, that I haven’t heard before:

    Makes sense that black disadvantage doesn’t equal white privilege, because whites don’t have that disadvantage.

    • stangerx says:

      Miss O’Reilly…. but then he brought about his own exit from Fox News. There is some “black disadvantage” with some folks at least. But think more about a culture and socio-economic status a lot of them are born in. And if they do well tend to move out…. can’t blame them.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Taken in that context it actually makes sense. If the league will allow that, then every teams should have some back up on the COVID list at a few key positions. It’s just smart.

      • steveccnv says:

        Smart for the team, but the players union has to agree to it. If the choice is we’re going to cut you, but if you’d like we can designate you to this list, that might work. Also 3rd strings QBs don’t have much pull, so…

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yeah, it definitely might be seen as detrimental to the player. A guy could argue he could be playing on another team instead of stuck in limbo on the COVID list, so there are some politics to be worked out.

        Hopefully this possibility has already been addressed and accounted for in the 2020 CBA amendment, but with the lack of foresight we’ve seen time and again from these people maybe not.

  55. wyoming85 says:

  56. CavalierKong says:

    Wyo, don’t get me wrong, I’ll take the rings if that’s the cost, lol.

  57. ocalarob says:

    actually it will be interesting to see how Howard does on 1st down, 10 yards or less?
    if he avgs over 4yards per carry in that situation i guarantee we make the post season.

    D says:
    August 10, 2020 at 12:49 pm
    Depends if we count more than 10 runs on first down.

    CavalierKong says:
    August 10, 2020 at 1:21 pm
    pheloniusphish says:
    August 10, 2020 at 2:49 pm
    D beat me to it.

  58. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, I can see why you thought I was agreeing with D because my comment followed his, but I was actually agreeing with Wyo’s post.

    wyoming85 says:
    August 10, 2020 at 12:08 pm
    Howard! Just because he will have more carries!

    Brieda will have more yards per carry average!

  59. D says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 10, 2020 at 2:41 pm

    You joke about that, but the country is being hijacked by those that want to use covid as a weapon.
    I was joking, i definitely dont think they would do that but yeah probably isn’t a joking matter. Way i look at it though its out of our control so its joke about it or stew and im a sarcastic ass who likes to poke fun lol.

    • stangerx says:

      Covid is not out of our control though, least collectively. Other countries have tamed it…. heck as of now NY has. They are opening their schools.

      • D says:

        No its outside our control how they use the covid invormation, i have said all along its not a politics thing its an us thing, we have to do our part to get this under control. No president, HoR or Senate can fix this problem, they can only assist us in getting it under control.

  60. ocalarob says:

    This chicago mayor lightfoot is a joke. First she agrees with the rioting and looters now shes outraged by them.

  61. ocalarob says:

    I think breida may be a step up from drake. He runs with more power and is faster than drake

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s hard to tell, until we see him run in Miami. I wouldn’t be surprised, if he’s better all around though.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I’m a big fan of Breida’s, so I think he’ll be an upgrade over Drake as well. I think he’ll be our change of pace guy, and Howard will get more carries. The big thing with both of these guys is whether or not they can stay healthy. If they can, I think both will produce for us.

    • D says:

      It might be splitting hairs but i think Drake was a cut runner and he could accelerate incredibly through the cuts. As far as speed maybe slightly faster, but you dont have to watch many plays with Drake getting loose to know his speed was elite as well. Again, we will see but Drake was a very capable back and with better OL, he could have and was very good with us. Through that last half of the season, without much of an OL, he was the best back in football, more yards and YPC than any other guy. I hope your right because Drake isnt our back any more and Breida is, but like Kong said, its a wait an see thing.

      • D says:

        I like Howard a lot better than Ajayi as far as a power back though. I think he will get ya a good 4YPC punching it up the gut.

  62. The Flying Pig says:

    Think Stanger posted something about this already

    But I reposting

    Never though I would see this in my lifetime

  63. bailbondmike says:

    Lamar Miller expected to sign one-year deal with Patriots

  64. bailbondmike says:

    I would be good with this 2021 first round mock:

    6. Dolphins

    Micah Parsons
    LB, Penn State

    Making it official and throwing his name in the hat of players who have opted out in order to train early for the draft, Parsons is arguably the cleanest defensive prospect in this class. A prototypical MIKE linebacker at 6-foot-3 and 245 pounds, he plays violent and displays plenty of athleticism and awareness.

    While this isn’t an immediate need on the Dolphins roster, the right method should be to continue to take the best players on the board in order to stack talent. Raekwon McMillan has progressed every season to date, but he doesn’t possess the upside of Parsons. Pairing the former All-American alongside Jerome Baker gives the franchise one of the more athletic young duos across the league on the second level.

    9. Dolphins

    Jaylen Waddle
    WR, Alabama

    Miami is once again in a position to continue to add talent to the roster. With there not being much value at their biggest positions of need, the team instead makes a luxury pick with the selection of Waddle. Providing Tua Tagovailoa with a familiar weapon, the Crimson Tide junior receiver provides lots of value to a team that enters the second season of their roster overhaul.

    Essentially the fourth man on the totem pole as a sophomore, he now steps into a bigger role. Despite being down on the chain of command, he managed to shine when he was afforded opportunities. Waddle is a near-perfect complementary piece to a No. 1 receiver like DeVante Parker. Possessing unique run after catch ability, 401 of Waddle’s 552 receiving yards from a year ago came after the catch. He also already has three career touchdowns as a return specialist on his resume.

  65. Mike E. says:

    Funny how all these countries don’t want Americans but SO MANY OF THEIR FUCKING CITIZENS ARE DYING TO COME HERE!!!! Illegally, I might add, and the Democrats are there to welcome them with open arms and a bounty of cash to help them out.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Do you think Canada has citizens lining up to come here?

      • Mike E. says:

        Probably not now, but I’d bet a lot of them come here when they have to wait a year or so to be approved for a surgery and use our healthcare system.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Canada only sends their troubled citizens here like Rockphin and Bryan Adams.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        The answer is NO

        The only people lining up for surgery are people who have resources to pay for it out of their own pocket

        That’s not cheap
        This is from a 2002 study but the rest of the world, doesn’t view our health care system as preferable including Canadians

  66. ocalarob says:

    I stepped upon the platform

    The man gave me the news
    He said you must be joking son
    Where did you get those shoooes
    ……where did you get those shoes…

    Name that tunr

  67. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Kong. Especially Rock!

  68. bailbondmike says:

    Mike E., They are predicting us to be about the same I guess and Houston to be a little worse than last year. I feel like our pick will be later. I think our pick will actually come after the Texans pick.

  69. The Flying Pig says:

    Bryan Adams is not troubled

    Don’t speak like that about him

    Everything he does – he does it for you!

  70. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – I never said it was cheap, but expensive is better than DEAD, right?

  71. son of a son of a shula says:

    Pretzel Logic

    Steeley Dan

  72. son of a son of a shula says:

    Who Saw Morikawa’s tee shot on 16 yesterday?

    One of the best shots ever 🏌️‍♀️

  73. steveccnv says:

    Luckiest guy in the NFL is Breida. Getting outta Pelosi’s district and down to SOBE.

  74. Randy says:

    Frankly, I’m shocked that colleges and conferences would even consider having sports with the current overall situation. But, I would not be surprised that a part of their thought process was being sued by students if they aren’t allowed to opt out without any penalties. This isn’t a privately owned professional league who can do as they like. Our educational institutions should always…always….put student health and safety first. Whether you believe the pandemic is overblown or not, there’s no way colleges should feel comfortable making student athletes comply but are telling other students to stay away.
    I do believe the situation is overblown somewhat….it’s what we do nowadays….nothing new. But, 170K+ dead and still climbing is the harsh reality. Overblown or not…that’s serious….and has to be taken that way by the people in charge. Most of the athletes will be unaffected…we think. They are young, healthy and low risk. But, all those people connected with sports and the many more they come into contact with either doing it or covering it or watching it, they may not be so lucky. Major financial hit for folks…but how do you expect to stem it if you do stuff like this?

    • stangerx says:

      College football is big business for the schools. Hard to get around that factor. They play football and not say women’s soccer and cross country…… no excuse other than the business side.

    • Rockphin says:

      That is the thing, it MAY be overblown, the young MAY recover with no lasting issues but we don’t know. It is a novel virus. Chicken Pox isn’t so bad, but it comes back as shingles. Will Covid come back as complications years later? Hopefully not, but they say prepare for the worse and hope for the best and you will never be disappointed.

    • D says:

      As a fan i want to watch football, but as a human, especially as a parent i wouldn’t want to risk anything with my kids.

      They could bubble them, i mean have ya seen the facilities at colleges these days, especially the ones for the athletes, they are frigging sick decked out. Yeah, no parties, etc, but thats no different than you would have if they weren’t athletes. Classes are no different from being a regular student either, so i mean if they arent shutting down the schools completely, they wouldnt have to worry about anything else a normal student wouldnt, and if the other students can distance learn or whatever, so could the players at their facilities. If all schools do this, and all players are tested regularly, i dont think there would be a significant increase in risk.

      The only thing you have to ask yourself is, is it all worth it? Thats a lot of protocols that have to be obeyed, a lot of constant monitoring, a lot of sacrifice. So, is it possible to play and have little to no additional risk. Certainly, is it feasible, maybe, is it worth it, i just dunno about that one. Like you said, its about money in the end, and if they want to spend a bunch to make even more, they can come up with a safe way to go about this, time to get it done is the only factor in question.

  75. D says:

    So as for the discussion about Canadians coming here for healthcare, i see your pie graph, but at least one hospital i know of on the border between Canada and Maine, it is the case that the hospital is flooded with Canadians who are coming here for healthcare. It could be that this hospital has some deal with them on the rates or it could be that they buy insurance, i dunno, but i have have been there and i have seen it, and before you ask you can tell the Canadians because their heads bobble.Seriously though, while i was up there the hospital admins actually spoke about it quite a bit.

  76. Rockphin says:

    I am tired of watching re-runs of the corn hole championship on TV. Please football come back. Please

  77. wyoming85 says:

  78. Rockphin says:

    This one almost made me piss myself. I just went through this at work today.

  79. CavalierKong says:

    LOL @ the middle finger

  80. steveccnv says:

    The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

    Among wealthy nations Canada ranks last out of 11 in timeliness of care.

    The problem with the US healthcare is its obamacare, if you wanna keep your dr you can…

    • Mike E. says:

      There ya go Steve – Thanks – And agreed on Obamacare – I don’t want the government dictating to me which doctors I can see and which ones I cant. That’s trash!

      • steveccnv says:

        How can we expect the dems to do anything for us when they can’t run one city without rioting issues? They only care about power, everything else they tell us is BS.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        What health care legislation did the republican controlled house and senate pass between 2012 – 2018?

        It’s cute to criticize the ACA
        But it would be nice to offer an alternative

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Health care in the US was dreadful before Obama care
      The reason the ACA passed to begin with was bc it was so bad

      People have been filing for bankruptcy bc of astronomical medical bills pushed by supply and demand costs of medical treatment, there wasn’t pre existing conditions protection before Obamacare, and prices of prescriptions drugs are much higher than the rest of the world

      Not to mention nearly 20% of the us population being uninsured and causing us all to be more likely to be subject to anything contagious

      The American health care system is a travesty but most of our problems are related to money and not access

      American health care just isn’t affordable to the middle class. It’s nearly impossible to purchase it individually on the market (before and after the aca), the costs of prescription drugs go up and up to match demand

      Relying on your employers for health care when we are an employment at Will country isn’t very reliable at all not to mention that it leaves your HR dept with the power to negotaiate.

      When you compare insurance plans, for instance of unions to insurance plans of corporations, most of the time the insurance plan of the union is far superior to that of the Corp., although the biggest the business the more bargaining power they have. But a midsize or small business doesn’t really hold much leverage to get its employees the best coverage in our system

      I don’t know if more Canadians come here than the US bc the other way around. I’ve seen data that suggest that a lot more Americans go there than than them coming here, but you guys can look it up for yourself

      But if you look at the entire world, much more Americans go abroad than people aboard coming here for medical tourism – and that is driven by costs most of the time

      People coming here for treatment have $ to spend
      But people leaving the US for medical treatment have less $

      And that’s a realistic view of it
      It’s not Obama care
      It’s what happens to any industry when the demand is endless and you have 3rd (Ins companies) and 4th parties (employers) negotiating the product delivered

      That increases costs substantially. That’s just the way economics works.

      • steveccnv says:

        Fact Obamacare made premiums for health insurance skyrocket.

        Sure there were problems before it that need to be addressed, but Obamacare sent our healthcare system into spiral we still haven’t recovered from.

        To say the Republican led Congress couldn’t fix it when Obama was president is a joke. Under the first 2 years of Trump the reps had control, but the Mccains of Congress wouldn’t allow it.

        The reason Obamacare passed was, because the dems wanted universal healthcare and put Obamacare through to fail, then wanted to act like knights in shining armour and slide thru universal healthcare. Pelosi on tape said she didn’t even read it, and would read it after it passed.

        We have swampy people with lots of power in this country, that are responsible for our healthcare issues, for example the American Cancer Society regulating themselves, which keeps costs high and goes after alternative treatment methods. There’s also the scam between doctors and big pharma, and big pharma in general that have contributed to the skyrocketing costs.

        To say anything good about Obamacare outside of those uninsured it helped is ridiculous.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Of course they are going up now
        Trump is doing everything possible To sabotage the Aca

        Repealing the individual mandate through the tax bill in 2017 cost revenue that led to funding

        Then Trump cut billions of CSRs

        Click to access csr-payment-memo.pdf

        When the administrations sets out to harm the ACA instead of looking out for the American people – costs are going to go up. If they sabotage the market place with policy that’s what happens

        But that’s fine – if there’s a plan

        The elderly in the US are a growing population and the ACA won’t sustain itself if it’s left untouched (but republicans shouldn’t try to sabotage it either)

        But what’s the plan?

        Republicans had control of both bodies of congress from 2011 through 2011 – and passed nothing as an alternative to address rising costs of health care

        And none of that changed with trump – that’s not McCain’s fault, that’s bc there was no alternative plan

        What is Trumps plan? You are more likely to catch a cricket singing opera than see Trump articulate an actual health care plan – his plan is nothing more than repeal the aca, which is nothing more than finger pointing

        Pointing figures isn’t going to make health care better in the US – actually repealing the ACA and taking steps to hurt it, without a backup plan, just makes it worse

        The swampiest persons in office is The President
        In fact, in order to make his case about the ACA, he needs to set out to sabotage it – even though it costs Americans tons of money and coverage

        It would be great if he criticized a policy and offered a better alternative

        Instead Trump criticizes a policy, doesn’t offer an alternative and actively tries to hurt the policy he is criticizing

      • The Flying Pig says:

        And btw premiums will continue to go up without the ACA

        Bc the cost of medical care continues to go up And baby boomers need more and more medical care as they get elderly

        The inherit problems of an employer based system won’t go away by blaming Obamacare

      • steveccnv says:

        You can’t fix anything until UCA goes away. Trump has laid forth a plan, but I agree we aren’t going to see health care go down.

        So Trump is swampier than Obama, because you say he doesn’t have a plan in place to fix the UCA, that the dems pushed through to sabatage healthcare? Brilliant, why didn’t I think of that?

  81. wyoming85 says:

  82. wyoming85 says:

  83. steveccnv says:

    “I don’t think any (momentum carries over), to be honest with you,” Flores said.

    Typical coach talk, take the cheats all those years, so nothing carried over, and every year brady started from scratch? We won’t know going in Fitz and Parker have something special?

  84. steveccnv says:

    If there’s no college football the NFL may change some games to Saturday, giving us more primetime games.

  85. D says:

    They definitely will wanna do that to get more ad dollars to compensate for loss of stadium revenues, but its a balancing act, they cant give away too many games or the Sunday Ticket sales will fall off.

    • steveccnv says:

      I don’t know the specifics of it, but I can’t imagine they make more money from Sunday Ticket, than they do from a primetime game. I know what you’re saying about balancing it to get the best of both worlds, but Sunday Ticket makes their money from fans that don’t live in the area their team is from (out if touch out of towners).

  86. bailbondmike says:

    (re: 2021 draft order). I think they’re probably wrong on both counts.
    I believe they are going by where the teams are with their current roster and 2020 schedule. They may not be far off on Houston picking in top 10. Six of their first 7 games are tough.
    at Chiefs
    at Steelers
    at Titans
    Also, at Browns and home vs Pats.
    They have to face Titans again and Indy twice. I think people are underestimating Indy this year. They are going to be tough. Not because of Rivers but their D. They loaded up like we did and should have a good defense.

  87. stangerx says:

    If they delay College football till the Spring is that a huge negative? If I was a college fan seems I’d like it that way every year. Would have football in two seasons.

    • steveccnv says:

      Then how do you transition from college to NFL? You can’t play back to back seasons.

      • stangerx says:

        They practice to prepare in the fall. College seasons goes Jan-Apr. Hold the draft in May. The kids get May and June to recover before camp. 4 months before first game. It’s not perfect, but the upcoming classes on all teams would face the same.

      • steveccnv says:

        Recovering from Feb to Aug isn’t enough time, how is only 2 months going to work? Its not.

      • stangerx says:

        It’s amazing what a young body can do. Obviously nothing like an NFL player, but I did contact sports pretty much every second I was in college. Rugby ran Spring and Fall and wrestling was in btwn. Gotta think these far better athletes than me could deal with just 2 months off. And if more is needed they could change the rules — say rookies can’t start till game whatever.

      • D says:

        My guess is more will opt out if thats the case, because they really cant risk injury if the season is played right before they would be drafted. People were already opting out of bowl games and those are over in January to avoid a career threatening injury.

      • steveccnv says:

        Haven’t you ever heard of the rookie wall? What do yo think that would look like, after playing spring then fall?

      • stangerx says:

        D — my guess is you are right, but remember what a small percentage of payers actually have hopes of being drafted. The games would still be played.

      • stangerx says:

        steve — so then the rookie wall would be higher. If they don’t play in the Fall would you prefer for them to play in the Spring or not at all?

  88. steveccnv says:

    Is it just me or are the NFL interviews and programs like NFL Live really boring right now?

    Some of that has to do with the awful beat writers questions, but it just seem lame what they’re talking about.

  89. wyoming85 says:

  90. wyoming85 says:

  91. Mike E. says:

    Fuck Ronnie Brown! Patrick Surtain!!! #23

  92. stangerx says:

    Mike E — made a fool of myself at the stadium bar while waiting for OD before a game (so wasn’t even drunk). The Phinsiders do their pre-game there and hear from the audio that Sam Madison is one of the broadcasters. Go up to him during a break and say “Sam you are about the smartest player I ever had the privilege of watching…thanks for the desire.” The 4 broadcasters bust out laughing.

    Break is over right then and I retreat. Becomes clear after that I’d gone up to Surtain. Guess they are interchangeable. 🙂

    • Mike E. says:

      Doh!!! That’s pretty funny Jon, but truth is that was one excellent CB tandem, most likely the teams best ever.

      • stangerx says:

        The best ever in Phins history at least. Just didn’t know Surtain was there….so went to the first guy who looked like a CB. Never saw those guys without helmets on when was watching.

      • steveccnv says:

        Wow! Madison has a pretty distinct look.

      • stangerx says:

        steve — what more than “made a fool of myself” did you need? Sam and Pat at least got a better kick out of it than if had gone up to Madison though.

  93. Mike E. says:

    Minkah FitzFuckFace exposed!!!! He’s a clown and all I hope is that he has the shittiest career from here on.


    • D says:

      Ok so my interpertation of that whole thing. Minkah did not want to wait, be patient, learn to do his job first and let them expand his role on their tiomeline, so he made a little bitch out of himself which alienated the coaches, specifically the HC which comes from a system where the HC doesn’t mind silencing a player like that and making an example of them, see Jamie Collins as an example.

      Looks like he got there to Pittsburgh and probably got a little better reception, they have to make it work because they gave up a lot to get him, he probably also grew up a little because he realized the Phins aren’t the only team to require him to do his job, so as not to seem like a twice failed loser he complies this time.

    • D says:

      I can tell already, re-signing him is going to be tough what they have is a player thats going to likely either make them set the ceiling at his position in a couple years or will walk in FA.

    • steveccnv says:

      Minkah played great last year in his safety role in Pitt, not so much for us.

    • stangerx says:

      From the National Review (used to be a subscriber). And that might be the down side of getting Covid under control. Same time NY does have Covid under control. Opening schools now.

  94. ocalarob says:

    will shaq lawson play LDE or LOLB?

  95. wyoming85 says:

    • D says:

      No clinical trails though, they said they wanted to be the first to get it out there, the world health org’s response was that you should try to be safest, not first, and i aqgree totally with that.

  96. wyoming85 says:

    • wyoming85 says:

      ROSEMONT, Ill. – The Big Ten Conference announced the postponement of the 2020-21 fall sports season, including all regular-season contests and Big Ten Championships and Tournaments, due to ongoing health and safety concerns related to the COVID-19 pandemic.

      • stangerx says:

        So guess the reports from yesterday weren’t false (even if denied). If the others hold up, PAC is next.

  97. The Flying Pig says:

    WY I just realized you changed you avatar

    Why so sad?

  98. The Flying Pig says:


    I dont know about Pilskin

    But me Pigskin is already in nyc representing small business owners in their quest to get back into business

  99. D says:

    ocalarob says:
    August 11, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    will shaq lawson play LDE or LOLB?

  100. The Flying Pig says:


    It’s hard to believe Mr. Fuckface won’t follow the same pattern in Pitt that he did here. Seriously…what a jerk

  101. CavalierKong says:

    There has never been a HoF player who wore 46 for the majority of his career, so good choice on the number change, Noah Imnotgoinatryandspellyourname-a

    Fuck Ronnie Brown? What the hell is wrong with you?

    MJ on the Dolphins? I bet the Dolphins would have at least one NBA title if MJ was on the team.

    Wait, I thought Phel was Snake Pliskin. Oh well, I can live with that disappointing revelation. The Tooth Fairy is still real though, right?

    It’s ok Stang, honest mistake any of us could have made. All those DBs look alike anyway…well maybe not Jason Sehorn.

    guineapiginski – It took Russia longer to name their vaccine than it did to develop it.

  102. wyoming85 says:

  103. wyoming85 says:

  104. stangerx says:

    Biden chose Kamela Harris as his running mate.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Saw that. No surprise. They are perfect together. Neither have ever met a position they weren’t willing to pander to.

      • steveccnv says:

        One is almost dead physically and the other is almost dead politically.

      • stangerx says:

        Take it you guys aren’t a fan of the pick. Who were you rooting for? I was hoping for Susan Rice.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        I didn’t really care one way or the other. Rice or Abrams were both too polarizing and radical for the more mainstream Dems, probably would have kept more people home. Harris was his safest bet, but she’s going to have to answer a lot of questions about years as a draconian prosecutor. Might have been his safest pick, but she won’t excite many.

      • stangerx says:

        Thought Rice smart and presentable. But you bring up Abrams, who would have been my first choice even if didn’t make the short list. She’s got some charisma magic in her.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I love the choice

      But she was my favorite to begin with

      I don’t think the choice though is going to have a huge impact on the race at the end of the day, but if you can get people to focus on policy while Trump slings mud – that’s a good place to be

      People are going to attack her for her action as a prosecutor, and it’s on her to answer that and explain it – whether or not you like her answers it hard for Trump to attack an aggressive prosecutor at of one side of his mouth while claiming to be the law and order President out of the other.

  105. Mike E. says:

    Fuck Ronnie Brown was a little harsh. I never really liked him although I know a lot of you did. He was a RB, so no reason to bring him, almost makes as little sense as MJ.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I always enjoyed watching him play. That grin was infectious, you could just see his love of the game. And he was an integral part of the best Dolphins season in the last 15 years and the best asswhooping we’ve ever put on Belicheat. But I guess we all have our favorites and least-liked. 🙂

    • Rockphin says:

      he was a waste of the 2nd overall pick when he was a platooned RB in college with Cadillac Williams and there were better players on the board. Aaron Rogers being one of them.

      I liked him as a person and a player but thought his value was more like a 3rd round pick.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yeah, definitely not worthy of the #2 overall. A lot of teams missed on Rodgers. The top 10 of that draft was a real snooze. We could have had DeMarcus Ware too.

  106. ocalarob says:

    Parker 1200 yards rec?

  107. CavalierKong says:

    I’ve been watching The Umbrella Academy. I swear all these super assassins are worse with their guns than storm troopers are with their blasters.

  108. Rockphin says:

    I hate Nick Saben. We had Gus Frerotte and Sage Resenfels Joey Harrington Cleo Lemon as QB’s and he didn’t even fucking TRY to draft one. He took Brown instead of Aaron Rogers (or even Jason Campbell) and in 2006 he took Jason Allen over 30 probowlers

  109. CavalierKong says:

    Blue Jackets and Lightning going into OT period 3.

  110. D says:

    CavalierKong says:
    August 11, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    I’ve been watching The Umbrella Academy. I swear all these super assassins are worse with their guns than storm troopers are with their blasters.
    Or dirty apes are at swatting down tiny airplanes.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Hey those are two entirely different levels of competency, some of those planes got the shit knocked out of them. No storm trooper with a baster has hit anyone ever. Same with these guys and their guns.

      • CavalierKong says:

        LMAO, I guess storm troopers with basters might hit the occasional turkey or roast chicken…

  111. D says:

    Much more appropriate response on this one

  112. CavalierKong says:

    4th OT between Jackets and Lightning.

  113. The Flying Pig says:


    I watched “the boys” and I loved it

    My brother is trying to sell me on umbrella academy now, so I might check that out

    • Mike E. says:

      I also loved “The Boys”. I haven’t yet watched Umbrella Academy, that’s up next. We’re watching an older show now from Sundance on Netflix called “Rectify”. It’s 4 seasons, pretty interesting, just want to see how it ends.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I actually thought it was really really good

        I was surprised bc I’m a harsh critic

        I actually watched episode 8 first on accident
        And I just thought they were taking the approach that they expected the audience to infer the backstory….lol

        Then I realized I messed up

        But it didn’t ruin it for me

    • CavalierKong says:

      Hell yeah! Season 2 drops Sept-4.

      The Umbrella Academy is ok IMO. It’s got its moments and at times I really like it, but it is painfully obvious in its plot, and its characters are pretty childish in their actions. I find myself rolling my eyes sometimes. Still I think it’s a fun watch.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Same feel as season 1.

  114. The Flying Pig says:

    A draft doesn’t give you Matt Roth

    Matt Roth gives you the only relevant portion when he allows his name to be called

  115. CavalierKong says:

    5th OT, Lightning have 85 shots. Most shots by a team in a single game.

    As of now, it’s the 5th longest NHL game ever.

  116. Mike E. says:

    It’s been almost a year and I still find myself saying “Yeh” the way Billy Butcher says. I freaking love the way he says that!

    • CavalierKong says:

      Butcher says to the priest (about God) – “He’s got a hard-on for mass murder and giving kids cancer, and his big old answer to the existential clusterfuck that is humanity, is to nail his own bleeding son to a plank. That is a c^nt move. Even you got to agree with me there.”

      LOL, that had me weak I was laughing so hard. Such a great show.

      For any of you that like The Boys, if you don’t know the story on Black Noir from the comics, it’s a flippin great storyline. If it matters to you, be careful of spoilers, it’s that good.

  117. Tim Knight says:

    I’ll say this, this is going to be an ugly election. Worse than Trump/Hillary. Really sad. 😦

  118. The Flying Pig says:


    I’m kind of a Frenchie fan

    • CavalierKong says:

      I like them all. I’d say Hughie makes me laugh the most.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Hughie is great

        The neurotic geek archetype is a little overplayed in movies these days for my taste – but I never feel like he’s a cliche.

  119. The Flying Pig says:


    Without googling for help
    Do you know what the actor (Karl Urban) who plays Billy Butcher also was in?

  120. The Flying Pig says:

    Lord of the Rings is the one I was thinking of that took me by surprise

    The first minute I saw him, I remembered him as scourge bc Ragnorak is my favorite mcu movie

    There’s another one (a series) that might surprise you and another smaller movie he did which is kind of fun and violent and weird

    • CavalierKong says:

      The above list taps me out on my off the cuff Karl Urban knowledge, lol. So I’m not sure what the series and movie you are referencing are.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Oh, he was Dr Mccoy in the new Star Trek. I remember that because it’s against type for him.

  121. olddolphan says:

    JUST FINISHED WATCHING one of the most memorable hockey games of all time!! And to think that I missed the first two periods because of a doctor’s appointment!! This FIVE overtime classic gave Lightning fans a measure of revenge after the Blue Jackets eliminated Tampa Bay from the playoffs a year ago.

    Well, gotta walk the dog and get my beauty rest. Hope all of you have a great tomorrow.

  122. The Flying Pig says:

    Yeah add McCoy in the Star Trek

    I didn’t recently realize that until I googled him while watching the series

    I’ve always been a McCoy fan

    This is the other smaller movie I’m thinking of

    He’s got quite the sci-fi fantasy resume actually

  123. Mike E. says:

    My Facebook feed ranges from “You think Biden is creepy, how about what Trump said about Ivanka, how she’s attractive, voluptuous, I would have dated her” and “Trump thought the Great Pandemic of 1921 was after WWII” to “Joe Biden will find out who he picked as VP tonight on the news” and “Kamala Harris is sleeping her way to the top”. It’s fucking ugly, and it’s just starting. The sad think is as much I think Trump is an asshole and we don’t need another 4 years of his shit, I cringe at the thought of even possibly voting for either of the cretins the Dems have offered us, Biden for a month or so until they deem unfit to serve and then Kamala Harris. I don’t know if I can pull that lever man . . .

  124. Mike E. says:

    Urban was great in Almost Human, I really liked that show, was sorry they ditched it.

  125. steveccnv says:

    Vote for Biden, he’s a BLM supporter.

  126. Tim Knight says:

    I’m a supporter of the USA and our melting pot. We’re dealing with a volatile time where people have a difficult time communicating with each other. 😦

    • Mike E. says:

      I think this is a very insightful and accurate statement from George Carlin many years ago after his wife died. It truly applies well right now . . .

      The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness.

      We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.

      We’ve learned how to make a living, but not a life. We’ve added years to life not life to years. We’ve been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbour. We conquered outer space but not inner space.

      We’ve done larger things, but not better things. We’ve cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We’ve conquered the atom, but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We’ve learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.

      These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete.

      Remember, spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever. Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.

      Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn’t cost a cent.

      Remember, to say, “I love you” to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you. Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there again. Give time to love, give time to speak, and give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.

      Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.

  127. wyoming85 says:

  128. Mike E. says:

    I believe that Black Lives Matter but I can’t back a radical group that seems to be much more than just black lives matter

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Its always your business who to support and not support and I respect people for making their own informed decisions and going with what they feel is right for them

      But I’m doing my part if I’m clear that you don’t have to be a radical extremist to support what they stand for

      • Mike E. says:

        That’s fair

      • pheloniusphish says:

        That is the crux of the matter…What do they stand for? Equal treatment or acceptance of aberrant behavior? Personal responsibility or victimhood? Marxism or Americanism? Integration or segregation? Respect for the rule of law or criminal behavior? Ignorance or discourse? Civility or barbarism? Race war or an absence of race?

        BLM is no better than the KKK.

      • ocalarob says:

        nice post phelon

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I think they stand for being more influential in making an impact on the discriminate treatment of minorities by the police in the US than any other organization has Ever been

        Do you remember any other organization having this impact on these issues? I don’t

        You can try to associate them with every negative thing you can think of, but none of it usurps what they have accomplished in mobilizing people to stand up for something that’s very important to me

        And I’m not ashamed or embarrassed about that bc I think it’s a priority for us to stop to live up to our standards that “all men are created equal”

        Wake me up when the KKK starts telling the police they cant kill unarmed minorities – maybe I will start praising them too….lol

      • steveccnv says:

        The problem with BLM is it’s just a slogan, that doesn’t have any value. If black lives matter to them, why are they only interested in the 7 unarmed ones killed by the cops each year? They’re using social justice to push through their anarchy. They’ve duped Americans into thinking they’re fighting for social injustice of blacks.

        Listen to what they say, write and have put on their website and you’ll see who they really are and what they stand for.

        How any American that has a good life can back an anarchist group, that burns, loots, riots and destroys our country is beyond me, but to each is own, so if you feel like this group is doing some good by all means support away, I’ll just never understand.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I don’t think an organziation is required to take on every social injustice in order to fight one particular injustice

        In fact I think that would be very ineffective

        If I have any criticism of BLM. It’s that they leave themselves open to a lot of criticism unrelated to the disparities in the criminal justice system concerning minorities by dabbling in other issues – which leaves them open to the kind of criticism this thread is directing towards them. I would rather they be focused on one particular injustice

        But when it’s said and done their message is going to be whatever the masses interpret their message to be

        I don’t have to go to their website or hear some one else describe them to know what their about

        Bc I’ve been around them In person (albeit I admit not during COVID19 social distancing times)

        I didn’t see anarchy advocacy, Marxism, victimhood or the embrace of criminal behavior – and I’m not the kind of person who won’t bark back when I see behavior I don’t agree with

        I’m not going to change the point of view of you guys on your perception of them – I’m actually not going to try bc it’s your right to feel and think and say the things you do

        But I do think it’s impeotant for you guys to understand, there are normal people who embrace this organizations ability to get effective legislation at least spoken about

        Most of my adult life, going back to my law school days, the Discriminatory disparities People are paying attention to now have been discussed. These things didn’t start this week or during the Trump presidency – they are long term problems that I’ve always wanted to see addressed through our legal system

        And no one was really effective until now

        So I am inclined to support the group that is effective and appears to be poised to be effective in changing these disparities going forward, rather than people denying that those disparities exist or that every other negative thing about the organization takes precedent over the positive things they might achieve

        It’s not that I think any of you should change your personal views

        But I don’t think you should be naive about the support that organization receives from many different people with many different points of view

        And I do my .02 in making that by stating my opinion

  129. wyoming85 says:

  130. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      What I see happening is these players trying to get on an NFL team. The question is will the NFL allow them in without going through some type of supplemental draft?

      What happens, if several NFL players opt out as the year goes on or get covid?

  131. wyoming85 says:

  132. bailbondmike says:

    I don’t know if this election can be worse than 2016. I mean, look at what Hillary and the media did with the Russian collusion shit. Using the FBI to spy on the Trump campaign and much more. As Biden would say when he looses track of thought, “Come on, Man!”. I see this election as ugly but not as bad as 2016.

    • steveccnv says:

      We’ll see, but the reason 2016 wasn’t worse is, because she thought she was going to win easy, you may see no holds barred this time, and why I don’t want mail in voting for everyone.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      The fbi wasn’t used to spy on the trump campaign

      Fisa warrants issued to wiretap carter page because of Pages dubious links to Russia oligarchs. Page openly admitted to being an advisor to the kremlin in 2013. It’s not exactly a secret


      Being an advisor the the kremlin might be legal. It’s doesn’t exactly assume impropriety, and people shouldn’t assume that just bc some one is an advisor – but it’s certainly worthy of a FISA wiretap by the fbi

      Those warrants and wiretapping issued in 2014, well before Trump was running for president or even employed carter page

      If the Trump campaign just would have been a little more careful when they vetted him then they don’t hire him and none of this comes into play. The reality is the only time the trump campaign was spied on was when they interacted with Page bc Page was already the subject of a long standing investigation that started well before Trump was even the republican nominee – the Mueller Report actually makes that clear

      Carter page was hired by the Trump in March 2016, well after The wiretapping of Page was well underway.

      The fbi actually didn’t know clinton or Trump would be the candidate in 2016 when the wiretapping started in 2014

      The description of what occurred is often misstated by the media on the right and the media on the left doesn’t do a very good job of explaining the details either, instead relying on generalizations

      But if you do the research you will see who was actually wiretapped (not the campaign) and when it started

      If the right is going to talk about victimization
      Then you have to take a long look at the trump campaigns cries about being spied on when the reality is that the campaign hired a foreign advisor who was already being spied and openly admitted to being a kremlin advisor

      • ocalarob says:

        You’re displaying inaccurate information to support your agenda, the steele dossier report written from June to December 2016 containing allegations of misconduct, conspiracy, and co-operation between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the government of Russia paid for by the DNC. This report and the illegal editing of an email was the basis for the FISA warrants done and paid for by the democratic party, whomever was investigating Paige earlier is irrelevant.
        But anyway, let’s try to minimize your parties illegal actions.

      • stangerx says:

        ORob — agree the steele dossier was a something but much of it has been confirmed. And those FISA warrants concerned piddling Trump folks. What’s the big issue? Certainly weren’t an election issue.

      • ocalarob says:

        The huge issue is the corruption by the left! the ones people want to put in power, if you are dealing with a thief are you going to trust him with your money?

      • ocalarob says:

        The left is backing the rioters to cause confusion and then blame it on trump! meanwhile people are dying, all for leftist political gain. is it a coincidence that all the rioting is happening in democratic states?
        it’s a power grab and they don’t care who they hurt to get it.

    • stangerx says:

      There at least wasn’t a lot about collusion in the media before the 2016 election. A whole lot about Access Hollywood and the server, but not that. The media explosion on that came later.

  133. wyoming85 says:

  134. wyoming85 says:

  135. D says:

    Facebook is Candy Land filled with rainbows unicorns and soft fluffy bunnies compared to the shit that’s on damn beat every Twitter thread. I got it for getting sports news an rumors fast, but even sports threads and sporting reporters are neck deep into the divisive language of both extremes. Black vs white, Dem vs Rep Trump lovers vs haters. Fucking cesspool now

    • D says:

      Though on the bright side I do get to have mini conversations with one of my childhood heros, Richmond Webb which is pretty awesome

  136. The Flying Pig says:


    Thanks for keeping us focused on football

    Even when we don’t bite – is appreciated

    I’ll shut down the politics (from myself) for the rest of the day

  137. D says:

    Im with Mike, i agree with the BLM movement and the issues surrounding where it started, but the group, even if they may have not started that way are solidly an anarchist hate group at this point and i cannot support them. They actually started as their own group but the New Black Panther movement which was starting up around the same time, merged with them, under the guise of the BLM group, and since then its a whole different group.

  138. D says:

    What i understand is these players still cannot be drafted or join an NFL team until NFL 2021 draft. So no this isnt a shortcut for them to get to the NFL its just a shortcut as far as getting a jump on preparations for the NFL, where they dont have to risk injury and they get to train with people who can help them test and perform well for prospective teams.

    • wyoming85 says:

      The NFL just needs a draft next week! 😉

    • stangerx says:

      Wonder what the rule is that stops a senior from quitting school and naming himself a FA. That same guy could have declared for the last draft and either been taken or become a FA then. Maybe the CBA only allows NFL eligibility at certain times.

  139. ocalarob says:

    Fitzpatrick leads the team in rushing yards?

  140. D says:

    stangerx says:
    August 12, 2020 at 1:32 pm

    Wonder what the rule is that stops a senior from quitting school and naming himself a FA. That same guy could have declared for the last draft and either been taken or become a FA then. Maybe the CBA only allows NFL eligibility at certain times.
    The only acenue for a guy to do that is to go through the supplemental draft, but they still would have to have completed at least three years of eleigibility anyways. They also only have certain criteria that allows them to do the supp draft, though i dont remember off the top of my head which those are. Some might could qualify, but given the time for the supp draft is already passed and they didnt have one, there is no way to do that now i dont think.

    • D says:

      In other words, no i dont think that would work under current rukles, they would have to make a special modification.

      • stangerx says:

        I agree can’t be done…. was just curious as to what the rules are. We get punters coming in from Aussie Rules and if young enough they have full college eligibility.

  141. steveccnv says:

    BLM may be the only ones to have effectively brought about some issues, but how can you condone the riots, looting, burning of buildings, destroying statues, take over cites, and destroying small businesses?

    There’s ways to get a message across and this ain’t it. They know what they’re doing and it has nothing to do with social justice.

    You choose not to go to their website, because you only want to see what you’re seeing now. Your fight matches their fight at one point doesn’t make what they’re really doing ok.

    • stangerx says:

      Had BLM protests around where I live. The announced ones were pretty peaceful. They started at the park and had a bunch of speakers. What they said was pure first amendment. Then they marched a bit with a few stops and came back to the park. Then the “fun” began. But wasn’t the folks who organized the protests running it then. And they probably hated it. Probably knew it would happen. Same time guess figured the after was not on either them or BLM.

      • steveccnv says:

        How can you say the organizers probably hated the aftermath, when their #1 goal is anarchy.

        Didn’t you see how they reacted to the Chicago incident? Video posted here last night.

        Even the far left mayor of Chicago is now condoning them. I guess it’s kind of what happens when you let someone take the shit to far.

      • stangerx says:

        I say that cause I saw them, both some of them in person and interviewed on TV after. They were basically like “we organized our MLK event and afterwards stuff happened, and stuff broke out….not what we wanted.”

        You seem darn sure….. how do you know what they had in mind was anarchy in Fort Lauderdale?

      • steveccnv says:

        Because it’s why they’re there, it’s what they stand for, and they tell us that.

        So if the kkk was there instead would you still have trouble figuring out their intent?

      • ocalarob says:

        it’s laughable that you have to point out peaceful protest from rioters, how do you know when to separate the two? if your cause has both peaceful and violent actions shouldn’t it all be shut down? shouldn’t the peaceful want to put an end to the violence or should they continue to incite it?

  142. wyoming85 says:

    Rockphin says:
    August 12, 2020 at 1:51 pm
    yup cover your eyes and continue to be willfully ignorant.

    I’ve been trying REALLY hard to stay on point with football!

    I don’t think we need to even talk about “IT’ anymore?
    We know where each of us stand!
    Nobody is changing their mind!
    It’s just pissing everyone off!

    I mean having a difference of opinion is being “willfully ignorant”?

    Thanks for making my point!

    • D says:

      I like hearing peoples thoughts on it, not saying im not strongly attached to my own but i definitely like hearing the other and maybe picking up something else to consider. I can be shaken off my perch with a strong enough argument against my own/

      • wyoming85 says:

        Fair enough!

        Scratch all the we’s to I’s, and the everyone’s to me’s! 😉

      • D says:

        I wouldnt sweat counter opinions, some are a little agressive on here maybe rude too, but its a lot more moderate place than the rest of the internets lol

    • CavalierKong says:

      Not to speak for Rock, and I might be off, but I think your eye covering post might have been seen as calling others willfully ignorant, so he was just turning your bait.

  143. D says:

    stangerx says:
    August 12, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    I agree can’t be done…. was just curious as to what the rules are. We get punters coming in from Aussie Rules and if young enough they have full college eligibility.
    Yeah i dont know the rules on people coming in from other countries, but maybe they came in with 3 years of college eligibility already spent at their colleges in their country, again, thats one of the special cases i have no clue about. Maybe there is something about transferring from another pro spot too, again, deep in the weeds of the rules and i know just the coming from college ones.

  144. CavalierKong says:


    We’ve had dozens if not hundreds of events in Sacramento over the last year or two, and by far the majority of them are peaceful.

    This is the other side of the coin to the ‘main stream media’ attacks that conservatives and trump supporters usually don’t acknowledge. The right wing media plays this stuff up to rile up their base and make it seem like the whole country is on fire when that just isn’t the truth.

    Yes, there are some violent protests, and yes, there are factions which support and approve of these actions, but the vast majority of protests throughout the country are non-violent and non looting.

    That being said, there is truth in the fact that BLM doesn’t strongly condemn the protests that are violent, which I firmly believe they should.

    • D says:

      I think the point at which they fully lost me was after the George Floyd riots and everyone was talking how to move forward, there were police kneeling with the protesters, there were some that marched with the protesters, there we obvious signs of reaching out and BLM as a group made a statement. We dont want to hug the police, we dont want to kneel with the police, we dont want to talk with the police, we want to defund the police. Thats as blatant stating your opinion on something as you can get and this came from their leadership. So i dont think that all people who follow the BLM movement are bad, i think a lot of people who organize things in their name have good intentions, i think they are peaceful and i think they have good intention, but they are quietly being led by an organization that does not at the heart of them, want good thing, equality, or progress, they want destruction, anarchy and to spread hatred.

      • CavalierKong says:

        See, I agreed with you right up until the last bit

        “…led by an organization that does not at the heart of them, want good thing, equality, or progress, they want destruction, anarchy and to spread hatred.”

        The last bit of that is just as much rhetoric as what they are accused of.

        So because their organization thinks the system is corrupt, and they don’t trust anyone involved in that organization, that becomes wanting destruction, anarchy, etc.

        I’ve been on the BLM website and read their mission statement, and the heart of that isn’t anarchy and destruction.

        I agree that they should have welcomed police that wanted to stand with them, but because they don’t they aren’t instantly all that is evil in my eyes. I just don’t think it’s that black and white.

      • CavalierKong says:

        To further my point about not standing with the police. I believe to them it was very much symbolic, not about the individuals in the police force that wanted to stand with them.

      • D says:

        I guess i look at it like this Kong.

        I can look up a profile about you and read everything you say you stand for and i can find out all about your self admitted beliefs, etc, or i can just look at your actions in person. I can look at how you act when you aren’t at your best and weigh it out against other time to not judge you on a bad day or due to a bad time in your life, but you have to show you have some thoughtfulness and caring outside of your own intentions, you have to show me you strive for good, you want to progress, and you push for it. They are on one side of this, and its not rhetoric with me.

        With my own eyes, and watching their actions across it i have seen too much bad done by the organization. Again, the people involved, i have seen people who do match up like i stated above, but the group is corrupt and they are the definition of wolf in sheep’s clothing. They hide behind a issue thats just and right, but they operate with very devious intentions,. I think you should know me enough by now to know im not a blind follower of political or divisional rhetoric, i am a free thinker at the core of everything i do, and like i said, im willing to see something different if its there, but i havent seen it from them.

        That web page might be the greatest thing on earth, but when the chips are down, they dont condemn the rioting, they dont want a peaceful resolution with the police, they want them gone, they paint anyone thats opposed to them as racist. These aren’t the actions of an ethical organization with good intentions, so BLM as an issue i support but the organization cant take their bullshit and pack it up.

  145. ocalarob says:

    gotta leave this political discussion, i have a much more important call i have to take, it’s from the extended car warranty company!

  146. ocalarob says:


    • CavalierKong says:

      I still think Trump may win, but if so, it will be the same way as last time, he’ll lose the popular vote, and win the electoral. No way he wins a landslide.

      So definitely the under.

    • D says:

      Im going with Under as well. At this point i am not sure he has a shot at winning. Too much turmoil, and 2020 has pretty much done him in.

    • stangerx says:

      By a landslide? Something is really gonna happen for that. He’s way down in the polls…. but people vote for a reason.

  147. CavalierKong says:


    I understand if that is the way you feel, it’s the way you feel.

    I work for the government in my city and we have BLM protests outside our building pretty regularly. On my lunch break sometimes I go out and talk with different people that show up about a range of the issues they are protesting.

    I’ve never seen any violence or disrespectful behavior from these particular groups. They’ve neve3r had to be removed. I often disagree with some of the things they say or want and when we’re done, the discussions always end on a positive note.

    As I said above, we’ve had a couple years of protests. Since the Stephon Clark incident, our city has been embroiled in protests, and again, the vast majority are peaceful.

    So I don’t take my view from the news on either side (not saying you do). My experience with the group and what they stand for, not to mention what we’ve seen in my city, has not been what you see in the news. But if you look up Sacramento and protests I bet you’ll find news to make you think we’re Chicago west.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Now I also recognize that Sacramento isn’t exactly the center of anything.

      We were named a ‘cowtown’ by Phil Jackson in the 90’s (and boy did he regret it. If you don’t know that story look it up, it’s hilarious. He actually had to petition the league to get Sacto fans to stop with the cowbells).

      So maybe we just have a more civilized group of BLMers, lol. The centers of things are the places that will draw the extremist elements.

    • stangerx says:

      Cav — protests can be funny. My old place used to get protested. We held a free admission conference and a number of guys picketed outside the entrance. Talking signs, army jackets and chants.

      Cracked me up to see them taking off their protest gear and putting on jackets and ties before they walked in for the conference…..where they asked “tough” Qs of the speakers. Nothing like a double dip I guess. 🙂

      • CavalierKong says:

        The right to protest really shows the strength of this country. When I found out about the Westboro Baptist Church, I thought there is a perfect example of how great and sh*tty our country can be in one shot. If a group like that can do what they do, this country really is free.

      • stangerx says:

        1st amendment has to apply to all…. otherwise it only applies to those who support whoever decides who it does not apply too.

  148. The Flying Pig says:


    I guess I’m not the only pinko anarchist lunatic in this blog

  149. bailbondmike says:

    Yeah, let’s support what BLM has become. One of the BLM leaders said that this most recent looting in Chicago was not looting but considered it collecting reparations. SMMFH

    • stangerx says:

      Don’t think you’ll find a rioting and looting fan on this board. And would be surprised if you find a BLM one. That’s different than their right to free speech though. Do you support that? I sure do.

    • CavalierKong says:

      A wise man once told me (and I’m paraphrasing here), you have to read between the lines and not take what Trump, I mean they, say literally. It’s all about perception and Trump, I mean they, are just playing that tune…

      And in case it isn’t obvious, I’m baiting ya…and the author of that statement…. 🙂

      I think Wyo said it well. We all pretty much know where each of us stand on most of the controversial issues, and no one is changing their minds.

      For the most part, I’ve stopped trying to argue actual issues and positions, mostly because i find it boring and tiresome. Ramming your head into a wall can be moderately entertaining, but even that becomes monotonous with repetition, lol.

      All jokes aside, what I have discovered in the last 4 years is that I know intelligent people that I very much respect on both sides and in the middle of pretty much everything.

      What I take from that, is that as much as I may think something is obvious, when someone I really respect has an opposing view, it must mean that perspective means a lot, nay everything. With that in mind, it is so much easier for me to have these conversations and not get riled up because we all see things through our own paradigm of experience and bias.

  150. D says:

    I think y’all are still confusing the protesters with the leadership of the organization. The protesters are there to support the issue the organization itself isn’t those people it’s people who are making the comments I’m saying shows that those that lead it have other intentions. Everything I have said gets replied to as if I’m talking about the protesters and I’m not.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I don’t think you can talk about one without the other. Both the leaders and the people on the ground make up the organization. And there are many layers of leadership and many different ways this organization tries to spread their message. All the peaceful events I referenced earlier were organized by leaders of the organization at all different levels.

      I get it that you think the leaders are corrupt and bad, therefore the organization is. I just don’t paint them with that broad a brush.

      I think there are a lot of different people that can be categorized as ‘leadership’ in their organization, and like most organizations I definitely don’t agree with some of what they do and say. As I said before – “…BLM doesn’t strongly condemn the protests that are violent, which I firmly believe they should.” I have no doubt they also argue within the organization about the right and wrong way to do things.

      My experience with the people on the ground and in discussions with them, even when I disagree with them, I wouldn’t categorize them as evil or bad or wanting anarchy or destruction. I’m sure others have had different and varying experience than mine.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Also, I’m not trying to rile you up or be dismissive of your stance. Sorry if it may have come across that way. I was answering honestly and went to what I felt was important.

  151. bookman11 says:

    Book lives matter

  152. bookman11 says:

    RIP Poppy, who was a little sloppy

  153. steveccnv says:

    Defund the police, then select former prosecutor Kamala Harris as VP. What am I missing here?

  154. CavalierKong says:

    Blues and Canucks game one at 7:30. I’m nervous to see how we play. Mostly hoping the Blues were just tuning up and not going full out in the qualifying rd. We need to step up our game if we hope to even get out of the first rd.

  155. Tim Knight says:

    Flyers/Canadians great game! Both teams can fly and the goaltending was exceptional. Love it!

  156. manitobafinfan says:

    Hey people , been a while..

    As Usghe great pieces Mike E …

    On WR ,

    I think Wilson’s production, especially counting his avg games played per year , can hopefully be covered adequately by Grant, Perry and maybe Rogers.. if Williams and Parker are healthy all year we will be okay. Hoping Ricardo Louis is an acorn for us as well .. he did have a few good games in Cleveland with some BAD QBs

    • CavalierKong says:

      Hey Toba, I think there is a good chance you guys get some revenge for last year. We haven’t looked right since the restart.

  157. manitobafinfan says:

    On RB. Very happy with Breida , and Howard… with wife being a 9ers fan saw a lot of Breida , he can and does run between the tackles well and can take it to the house on any given play …hopefully Ballage can improve on last years odd flashes and contribute some as well…

  158. manitobafinfan says:

    On D.

    I believe we will be much improved over the who’s who we finished with playing over their heads end of last season … add talent to the coaching and efforts we saw last year has the ability to be something to smile At weekly

  159. manitobafinfan says:

    Cav: if you are talking hockey( I think you are) , we got eliminated in 4 games… as soon as Sheifle and Laine went down we were toast , I missed all but last 2 periods of game one as we were on a holiday road trip… was surprised we came back to win the one game we did…. I hold no ill will towards yer Blues.. prefer them over Most teams in the West.. likely a toss up between them and Steve’s knights…

    In the East like to see Tampa win or possibly Columbus.. hate les canadiens almost as much as Pats … good luck to ya👍

    • CavalierKong says:

      Doh, my head is in the clouds. You’re a Winnipeg fan, for some reason I thought it was the Canucks in the opening round last year.

      • manitobafinfan says:

        Our road trip was to BC LOL. But no haven’t liked canucks since Tiger Williams played for them

  160. CavalierKong says:

    Flipping blues have 40 penalties already

  161. manitobafinfan says:

    On a Few other random topics , some where my name was brought up ….

    US cars being Keyed, and people being reported for being in Canada

    Stupid behaviour, and not proud that a lot of it being reported is actually in my City of Winnipeg.. one of the Owners of a popular downtown Bar has been in the local papers as stating he is checking IDs at door and reporting US citizens to authorities.. During the COVID shutdown he was very vocal in the papers as well and just left an overall bad taste in my mouth ..

  162. manitobafinfan says:

    Canadians getting Healthcare in US :

    Not 100% sure but , based on personal experiences, we do have very good medical coverage IF YOU CAN FIND a DR, and are willing to wait upwards of 2 years for surgeries that are not life threatening IE knee/shoulder repairs.. thus if we are in a hurry and have the $$ or if we can have it covered by our work benefit programs then yes , I can see the appeal and reasoning behind those #’s
    After my Bells Palsey diagnosis I attempted to find a DR for after care and to get a physical on wife’s demand.. managed to see a Walk-in clinic dr who agreed to do physical, and write a RX for cholesterol meds, but refused to offer advise or even follow up on the BP. I was also told I could not identify him as MY DR… I was to do blood test every 3 months, I adhered to that but ran a bit late on 3rd appt, then COVID hit, so I put off going again for next three months.. went to fill cholesterol RX two weeks ago and pharmacy informed me this dr will no longer renew RX…
    When we hear a DR is taking new patients, we are told to APPLY to become their patient… I don’t need a DR often , but would have liked to have had an option to see someone to assist with the treatment of it.. as it is I still have (18 months later) some issues with watering/droopy eyes and if ya ask my wife 🤔 mumbling/slurring on occasion… wife wants me to find a new dr to look into that and to get my cholesterol checked and reap RX.. she’s also not convinced that it’s BP.. she can be a drama queen worry wart, and thinks a) was misdiagnosed, could have been a stroke , or b) that since then I have had TIAs as my mother had a history of them in her last years … I of course disagree, but am more soured on DRs than before

    Sorry for the long blown story , but in a nutshell: there is some serious deficiencies in our medical system as well.

  163. manitobafinfan says:

    On CDNs wanting into the US :

    HELL YES , count us in the waiting to be allowed queue…
    we had planned a road trip for June to Canton/Cleveland (R&R HOF), through to Niagara Falls… had to scrap that, hopefully next summer… then with the situation in FL and our province requiring 14 day self isolation on return from either US or Ontario , the FEST is looking not too favourable we then decided to take two weeks now and drive west which we do not have to isolate on return…

    Really hoping that this gets under control and a resemblance of Normal Life comes back.

  164. manitobafinfan says:

    On the BLM …

    I am happy with the perceived efforts to recognize and correct racism towards any and all people that have been persecuted and held down due to prejudice whether ethnicity, or religion ..

    What I have a hard time with is the fact that (pardon me now) All Lives Matter is frowned upon as being racist… we all SHOULD matter, but if a Caucasian utters anything to that point we are called out as being racist… not sure if BIPOC (black, Indigenous , People of Color) is a thing down there or just Canadas version of BLM, but.. in a company wide conference call at wife’s work, one of the Management Team, said they the Company would be looking into their treatment of and any complaints that staff of color had with their work environment, he said “ All Staff Matter” this was on a live conference call with all staff .. he was immediately attacked by 2-3 of staff on the call,and called , along with all upper management as White Supremesists… another staff member launched off on a client she had by calling her a White Privileged/Entitled Red Headed bitch that needed a throatpunch….

    Asking to be treated with respect, and then spouting this crap is just wrong … pick yer battle message .. I want to be treated equal or I want to be above reproach to do and say as I want because I may have been persecuted and or had my PC Feelings hurt….

    Hope I did not offend anyone on the above but Yes all people should and do matter… if you are a douchebag , it’s not because you are not the same color as me, it’s because you are a douchebag

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s a joke that it takes so long to be seen, but I get it. In the US those that don’t pay for insurance seem to go in everytime their nose runs, so it combats that.

      I equate it to waiter service in Denmark. Gratuity is included, so you’ll get what you need, when I feel like it. It’s bad enough in a restaurant, I can’t imagine having to wait for healthcare.

      You should have that spot checked for melanoma right away next year, when next year comes, why didn’t you come in sooner, it’s too late now, you gonna die.

  165. manitobafinfan says:

    Okay, all done… feel free to skip and carry on

    Holy crap I had not realized one month away from Hopefully some REAL Football.

    Go Fins !!!!

  166. The Flying Pig says:

    What do you guys think. Yes or no?

    • CavalierKong says:

      Is it weird that my first thought was to wonder if I could take one of those bars off and use it as a weapon if I had to?

    • pheloniusphish says:

      That’s actually pretty cool until the drunks who won’t sit down (everyone) start falling over those rails.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        It actually wouldn’t bother me, at my age, to sit through a concert

        I love it

        I’m actually dying to see live music again

        At this rate I would watch polka show from across a state boarder

    • wyoming85 says:

      At least they don’t have to have a harness on, and be 100% tied off!

  167. The Flying Pig says:

  168. CavalierKong says:

    Williams looks like his recovery is going well

  169. The Flying Pig says:

    “Play Freebird”

    Um….yeah….just for me I guess….

    • D says:

      Have ya seen how a lot of the bands are performing on stage? They are inside their own plexiglass cubicles separated from the other members. Its really fucking weird looking.

  170. son of a son of a shula says:

    The Dolphins will wear a patch honoring Coach Shula
    It will say Shula with 347 below it

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      It should stay on the jersey permanently if you ask me

      • D says:

        Yeah thats what i said back when he passed. To me, as big a deal as he is for our team, he needs a permanent honoring. Hell i wouldnt mind them renaming the field too, Don Shula Field @ HardRock Stadium. I mean Florida did it for Spurrier, thats about the least they can do is a permanent marker on the jersey and renaming the field.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        I’m in for renaming the stadium

      • D says:

        I’m sure they have sponsorship agreements that wont allow for the stadium, but the field is a different story.

  171. ocalarob says:

    We should be having our first preseason game today

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Oh what a bummer, I’d love to see all these new guys playing

    • D says:

      would say close your eyes and envision it happening, and then recant it to us so we can enjoy but i think i can imagine how it would go…..

      First and 10, I formation, hand off to Howard, up the gut, 4 yards.
      Second and 6, I formation, hand off to Howard, up the gut, 4 yards.
      Third and 2, I formation, hand off to Howard, up the gut, 4 yards, first down.
      First and 10, I formation, hand off to Howard, up the gut, 4 yards.
      Second and 6, I formation, hand off to Howard, up the gut, 4 yards.
      Third and 2, I formation, hand off to Howard, up the gut, 4 yards, first down.

    • steveccnv says:

      And all we get is a report of some cherry picked plays from no pads practice, but at least NHL is there to pick up the slack.

  172. Mike E. says:

    Can’t rename the stadium like D said, but he’s right, they can call it Don Shula field at Hard Rock Stadium. They have an 18 year lease they signed in 2016 so they still have 14 more years. I like it, it’s a solid name and adds a cool vibe to the stadium.

  173. CavalierKong says:

    This is amazing, like something out of a movie. Just happened yesterday in Lodi (right outside Sacramento). Guy stuck in a wheelchair on a train track, and a LEO saves him literally just as the train comes through and smashes his chair.

    • steveccnv says:

      Coming from Lodi I was expecting a sky diving video.

      • CavalierKong says:

        You know about that? That shows you are hip to NorCal. Nobody from the area skydives there now, only out of towners who don’t know any better. I’m pretty sure the last one landed on a big rig right on I-5.

        The city tagline – “Lodi, only 15 skydiving deaths in 15 years. And we think that ain’t half bad.” lol

      • steveccnv says:

        A guy I worked with at Caesar’s Tahoe in the early 90’s went there for his first jump and the chute didn’t open. The reserve did, but the instructor was 275 and he was about 230, so his ass hurt for a month or so, after coming in hot.

    • Mike E. says:

      Holy fuck! That’s crazy! What an unbelievable thing to see

  174. D says:

    Looks like the train got his leg a little as well. Damn.

  175. bailbondmike says:

    She doesn’t believe in defunding the police
    Then why did she go on GMA and applaud the LA Mayor for cutting 150 mil from their police budget even after the CA governor had to call in the National Guard to help curb rioting and looting in LA?

    She approves redirection of money to other related programs. That defunds the police. She says police departments nationwide should be “reimagined”, what ever that means.

    IMO, the intentions are good but think they are jumping the gun without a true plan. It is something that may work in the long run but to immediately cut large portions of the police budget is going to make things worse right now.

    You can blast me now but I feel like this is just a ploy to appease young voters and feel not much will be done after the election either way.

    You like Harris but I feel they could have picked a much better VP candidate. She is too much of a hypocrite for me. She wouldn’t support 2015 legislation when she was attorney general that would’ve required her to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate police deadly force incidents. Now saying the opposite.

    I could be wrong, but I feel like she is a younger version of Hillary Clinton. She changes her stance on anything if it means more power. I mean, suddenly in a matter of months, she no longer feels Biden is a racist. As Joe would say, Come on, man!

    • Mike E. says:

      A younger, darker version. Truth is, that was one of her most important qualifications as it is. No denying that fact.

  176. D says:

    Lol i searched for Lodi Skydiver and one of the first things that came up was Lodi Skydiver 737…. i was like oh i gotta check this out, and apparently there was a dude dragged by a 737 for over 200 miles after his rig got caught on the nose of the plane. He eventually cut himself free but by then he was over another state LOL. “it was a bit disporienting at first, but i cured that by cranking up my Van Halen” he opened his reserve chute and coasted into a Pizza restaurant parking lot and he just took off his gear and went in and had a pizza lol….

  177. Mike E. says:


    Disappointed – I liked Steven Parker.

    • D says:

      Yeah i just found that, see below lol.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Ah, that’s why i haven’t heard about it, lol.

      The Lodi skydiving deaths are true though. They’ve had somewhere between 15-20 in the last 20 years, including the one who’s chute didn’t open and landed on a big rig on the highway. That happened a year or two ago.

      • D says:

        Yeah I saw that one. Was a woman diver, supposedly very experienced. They said she might have been trying to glide just above the vehicles and went too low

  178. D says:

    Looks like the article might have been from a Satire site, Snopes says was not an actual event. I guess when i saw Lodi and the skydiving fail after Cav said they have had so many issues, i jumped to a conclusion. Still entertaining story lol.

  179. wyoming85 says:

    Well there’s something you don’t see everyday!

  180. D says:

    Sterk was the dude they were expirementing with switching him from DE to TE wasn’t he?

    • stangerx says:

      Yep — I put up an interview with him like a week ago. Seemed like a good guy…. but then you don’t make teams cause you are nice.

  181. wyoming85 says:

  182. wyoming85 says:

  183. D says:

    They said the dive place in Lodi is right by the hwy and for the divers to make their approach they have two cross the hwy twice the second pass being the landing one and they have to come in kinda low to the hwy though the one that hit the semi was extremely low. Not a lot of margin for error

    • CavalierKong says:

      Yeah, the town isn’t very big and is basically built around HW99 and sandwiched on the other side by I-5. Our two big North/South Highways in the valley.

  184. The Flying Pig says:

    UGA Wants their students to Choke the chicken to combat COVID19


  185. Mike E. says:


    • stangerx says:

      $15 mil per year is huge, but still not top 10 WR money. Even if close….. won’t be in 2 or 3 years though.

      • steveccnv says:

        Its huge for a TE, but we’ve seen this story before, it means nothing until we see the numbers broken down.

      • stangerx says:

        Not too much the contract structure could take from him if over half guaranteed. Maybe a blown up cut year at the end but that’s about it.

  186. steveccnv says:

    Still not getting why these teams continue to offer these massive contracts, when the cap will likely go down for the foreseeable future.

    • stangerx says:

      Good point, but the teams know more than we do about the future of the cap. Might be that the contracts would have been even more.

      • steveccnv says:

        I don’t see how they could. The future cap will be based off of revenue from this year. They can’t see the future.

      • stangerx says:

        Every year when it budgets, AT&T projects it’s next sales earni9ngs and profits. Doesn’t mean the company gets it right but at assume in a better position to do that than me. In this case….. I don’t even know when the next TV contract is up. Assume the NFL GMs know a lot more about it than that.

      • steveccnv says:

        And I don’t necessarily think someone knows more than someone else about a subject, because of their job title. For example how many times have we seen a guy that’s the designated clock management guy fuck it up?

      • stangerx says:

        Like I said steve, it was a good point to bring up. Would like to know what their thinking is. But also thinking they have more info than me. Though obviously if the salary cap crashes some team moves will end up right and some wrong in light of that.

  187. ocalarob says:

    speaking of parachuters, remember the dude who parachuted into the riddick bowe evander holyfield fight? crazy!

    • D says:

      You get some do that into the baseball fields from time to time as well. Still a prize fight thats unique for sure.

    • steveccnv says:

      Lol, that was at Caesar’s Palace.

      Not sure which one of Bowe’s Holyfield fights it was, but he trained at Caesar’s Tahoe, where I was working in 93 or 94, they said he was going to continue to train there, if he won, but he lost.

      So I’m working in room service, and Bowe had one of the suites. Every night during training he ordered several bowls of orange sherbert for his crew, and every night they were playing cards in their boxers.

  188. D says:

    Not that Kittle isnt a good TE, but thats way too much for TE. I mean if you are trying to budget for a whole team, you have to have money spots reserved for guys that just arent easy to replace, for me thats a stud DL guy, DE, probably CB, maybe S, and your OL. Im not spending big money on WR (maybe one if they are execptional), TE, RB, or LB, im saving that money for the other spots. LB, maybe one of them, as the leader of the D, but im not going crazy with the money there either. In essence they have just set themselves up to have to get skimpy elsewhere and i dont think that Kittle brings enough to the table as a TE to justify hurting yourself in other spots.

    • Mike E. says:

      He’s probably the most impactful player on that team. He’s great inline blocking and no one does more with the ball in his hands than him on that offense, it’s not even close. Who cares what position he plays? No one makes that offense go like he does.

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