WR Corps suffer legitimate depth issues with 2 COVID-19 opt outs

Many of you here didn’t really value the services of one Allen Hurns, and maybe I’m on the side of overrating him, but Hurns was on target to be the starter opposite DeVante Parker at least into training camp. If Preston Williams proved he was healthy and battle ready then it’s possible Hurns slipped down the depth chart as he was replaced by the younger, more explosive Williams. IN any case, Hurns was a veteran receiver with AFC experience and one that thrived playing opposite a very talented receiver in Allen Robinson in Jacksonville. Never as much of a big play threat as Robinson, Hurns was a steady, reliable , professional possession receiver. Albert Wilson looked like he was almost all the way back last season, especially towards the end of the season. The last 3 games he caught 17 passes which is nearly half of his season’s production of 41 receptions. He had the lowest YPC average of his career at 8.1 and only one TD but the hip injury that cut his 2019 season short really took its toll on the receiver as he finally worked his way back. I do recall seeing a couple of plays at the end of the year where his explosiveness resembled the player of 2019 where he was turning nothing into something big routinely.

Before the opt outs, I felt like we had a very strong WR room with serious depth and a nice mix of youth and veterans. Parker is 27, Wilson 28 and Allen Hurns 28, along with young up and comers like Preston Williams (23), Gary Jennings (23), Isaiah Ford (24), Malcolm Perry (23) and Jakeem Grant who is now 27. If Preston Williams is ready he takes Hurns spot on the outside opposite Parker. Which receiver or receivers get to thrive in the slot? Jakeem Grant will be in the running as will Gary Jennings and 7th RD draftee Malcolm Perry. Grant has the speed and explosiveness Wilson had but not the size, Grant (5’6 171) is about 25 lbs lighter and doesn’t have the run power to break tackles like Wilson did. Gary Jennings is a little less speedy and explosive but has good size at 6’1 216. Jennings ran a 4.42 at the combine and put up 20 reps so he has some upper body strength. Malcolm Perry is closest size wise and elusiveness to Wilson but doesn’t have the top speed that Wilson had. Perry ran 4.63 40 at the combine. If you watch Perry play though, he always looks fast enough and is a very slippery runner. The Dolphins signed Colts WR Chester Rogers to a 1YR deal which deepens the depth a little. Rogers caught 53 passes in 2018, just 16 last year playing behind WR Zach Pascal.

The biggest concern I have about our WR’s, or really any unit on our team is the depth. If we’ve learned anything by watching MLB, NBA or NHL in 2020 in the year of COVID-19 is that players drop like flies. One second they’re on the team and the next they’re on COVID-19 protocol. Add in the usual NFL injuries, especially considering this year with a huge lack of practices and no preseason games and you will likely see how important good depth will be. I’d even question whether the league will be able to play a full season. We’re going to have to count on a bunch of our deeper depth players this season and I hope we get them all ready for action. When Chan Gailey was with the Jets in 2015-2016, he utilized Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker mostly, with a decent amount of passing to the RB’s Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell. In 2016 Decker was gone after 3 games and replaced by Quincy Enunwa and the offense didn’t really feature a slot WR much. Robby Anderson provided the deep threat on the outside and again, the RB’s, now Matt Forte and Bilal Powell caught a bunch of passes. Jordan Howard isn’t much of a pass catcher but Matt Breida is a good receiver out of the backfield who was stifled by playing time in a 3 headed attack in SF with Raheem Mostert and Tevin Coleman and also CJ Beathard. Malcolm Perry may also get some use out of the backfield and Kalen Ballage was thought to be a good receiver although he didn’t get to show any of those skills here in MIA. Patrick Laird and Kenyan Drake caught the most passes at RB. In any case, one thing we’ll probably have to get used to in 2020 is NEXT MAN UP . . .

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2,262 Responses to WR Corps suffer legitimate depth issues with 2 COVID-19 opt outs

  1. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Should have choked that chicken!

  2. D's avatar D says:

    If thats how yall feel about Kittle, then i guess you should pay him, i just dont see it. I think that offense works just fine with a TE that costs half that. Still i do believe that if you would pay a WR that, and like i said if i had an elite one i might would, you would pay a TE that to bring the same thing to your offense.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      He’s 1 YPR less than Emmanuel Sander and 1.6 YPR less than Deebo. He blocks on every other play and blocks well and had the most receptions and TD’s on the team. In ’18 he had the highest YPR on the team that had at least 30 receptions at 15.6 YPR. His position really shouldn’t matter. I think he deserves as much as Michael Thomas to be honest, he does as much for his team at least as MT does,

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Ultimately the convo on Kittle’s contract comes down to how good is he and a more general one about the value of TE’s versus WR’s. Or receivers v other positions over all Thinking minds could disagree.

  3. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    There’s no more mail

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      That’s crazy. That’s not cool at all.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      Trump said “I can’t keep turnout down by stopping mail in voting? Don’t worry about it. I know a guy.”

      Post Master General…

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Look at you conspiracy theory Chicken Little. My president has told me this about mail-in voting in FLA — ““Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True.”

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        I’m pretty sure the guy who took my money at the gas station earlier is an illuminati. He kept pushing me to buy premium.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Might have been Priory of Sion. It’s hard to tell…

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        The Priory…That’s reaching deep.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Yeah, he looked like this

        So i’m thinking Priory…

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      honestly though, I’m not sure this is anything meaningful.

      I know in CA, where we’ve had absentee voting since 1978, we can drop our envelopes off at polling locations. And even if the mail gets slowed down, it’s still going to get counted so while these kind of shenanigans from the ‘law and order’ side would certainly be shocking 😲 I’m not sure it would really accomplish anything.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        It would delay the result, which will let them strategize about the specifics of how exactly to call the election rigged.

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      It’s on the internet. It must be true.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        Well it’s a vice story and they site where they get there information

        So take it with a grain of salt, and judge it based on whatever else you can confirm – but I don’t recommend dismissing it bc it’s on the internet

  4. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  5. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    LOL, that was his brilliant plan, smh.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      I bet he gave her some shoulder pads and a helmet to wear into the hotel and still can’t figure out how security was able to identify she wasn’t a player…

  6. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Kittle says there is no contract agreement yet.

  7. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Phelon
    It’s only “fake” if it’s OANN!
    Or Tucker / Hannity!

    Come-on-Man

    • D's avatar D says:

      I have no clue on those guys other than to know what side of the fence they are on, but i can tell you that Hannity’s voice grates on me. I have never listened to or even heard more than a little bit of his broadcast, but just like Limbaugh i just hate his voice.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      #dearlordpleaserefundthepolice

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Turmoil in The Washington Football Team. Didn’t know Snyder only owned 60% of the team.
      ——————————————
      “The minority partners of Washington’s NFL team are pressuring Dan Snyder to sell the franchise amid a growing fight inside a team facing controversy on multiple fronts.

      Mr. Snyder, the team’s 55-year-old billionaire owner, has no intention to sell his majority stake in the team, the people said. A recent legal filing by Mr. Snyder suggests that at least one of the minority partners has attempted to leak defamatory information against him.

      The team’s minority owners—FedEx Corp. CEO Fred Smith, Black Diamond Capital chairman Robert Rothman and NVR Inc. board chairman Dwight Schar—own approximately 40% of the team and have hired an investment firm to sell their interest in the franchise formerly known as the Redskins. Those same stakes would become more valuable if the entire team, which would likely be worth several billion dollars, were to be sold.”

  8. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Guess the antifa folks were no better at reserving their domain names than Dan Snyder.
    ———————————-
    “Records for “antifa.com” in the domain name database Whoisology.com show the site was registered in the Russian Federation from 2013 through last July. Starting last November, the site’s registration was moved to Panama, The website has always been anonymously registered and its owners could not be reached for comment. “

  9. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Flippin’ people. Have you guys seen this?

    Some people are so stir crazy they are ordering airline food to be delivered to their home to ‘recapture’ the travel experience.

    Well, I may miss traveling to Mexico, but it doesn’t mean I’m going to have some of their tap water delivered to my house and get some Montezuma’s revenge to ‘recapture’ that travel experience.

  10. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    LOL Kong – True dat!

  11. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    You can stick a fork in the Blackhawks. If they’d pulled off a win today, they might have made it a little interesting, but no way the beat Vegas 4 of the next 5.

  12. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    first you hear dems want to do away with the electoral college, now they want to have mail in ballets.
    what’s the reasoning behind these proposed changes?

    what they really want is power, they fear what they want doesn’t go hand in hand with what the people want, what the people want doesn’t matter to them.

    why else would they fight for that?
    it’s criminal.

  13. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    i don;t trust the demorats

  14. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rob – Like this?

  15. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  16. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Well they do make a good point!

  17. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    I just activated my General Contractors License, anyone need a home built in FL, hit me up.
    Rockphin will be my laborer/bitch

  18. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Senator Susan Collins just wrote a letter to the postmaster general about how his new policies are causing substantial delays in the mail

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I guess it’s fake news though

      You know bc it’s not beneficial to the President….

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Louis DeJoy was appointed in June 2020 by Donald Trump

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      But I guess it’s fake news right

      That the mail is slowed down to nearly obsolete very recently, while republicans are arguing that mail in voting will cause delays, undercutting the states abilities to set their own rules, and though it’s keeps elderly and disabled people from getting medicine, and a Republican Senator is writing a letter to repeal DeJoys new polices – that he announced on his website

      But fake news right

      Not the epitome of corruption
      Not the epitome of the swamp Trump claims to fight against

      Fake news

      Don’t research it yourself guys…just rely on what you want to believe or who you want to disagree with…

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Trump hasn’t even tried to hide it. He’s blatantly sabotaging our US Postal system for his political gain and to keep his own power, yet it is OK to Trump supporters for him to use political chicanery while talking about the bad things the dems do politically?

        How does a person reconcile that? The mental gymnastics needed must be Olympic in skill and complexity. I don’t get it.

        It’s funny because I agree with a lot of the criticism of the dems, I just don’t agree with the hypocrisy of dems bad, Trump/repubs good, lol.

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      Just put this on a loop! It will calm you down!

  19. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Piggy
    I don’t know if it’s as lame as blaming the President for your insurance card being late?

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Do I really have to explain that elderly and disabled people won’t receive medicine they need

      Or that small businesses are going to get crushed by not receiving payments

      If you take a deep breath and think about it, instead of instantly falling into a defend trump reflex, then you will see that there is no logic to an administration actively hurting the post office bc it’s hurts many Americans

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        Do you need a paper bag to stop hyperventilating?

        Just because Nancy blew the dog whistle doesn’t mean the elderly all are going to die!

        Orange Man BAD is as good as Defend Trump reflex! 😉

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        This is like stomping your feet and pretending a real problem is not a problem

        Believe it or not in this country, we give feedback to our leaders most of the time as criticism

        It’s a false equivalency to treat defending trump to criticism of trump
        If we can’t criticize our leaders, we don’t deserve a first amendment

  20. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Kong

    he’s openly admitted it
    trumps own supporters don’t even understand what he supports most of the time

    3…..2…..1….. to trump supporters telling me that these new policies are okay now, after arguing it was fake news

  21. D's avatar D says:

    My cigars have been incredibly delayed arriving to me and now i know why! i tell ya i have been cussing those SOB’s like crazy recently.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      I probably order om average 3-5 things a week through Amazon and other companies. The last month or so things have been getting delayed over and over, and I didn’t realize it’s only the stuff coming through USPS until about a week ago.

      Do you know how frustrating it is when your toaster cozy is two days later than expected? I was in there using a terry cloth for toaster protection? Terry cloth! What a world, lol.

  22. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    • D's avatar D says:

      Not my experience, unless mail volume being way down means they laid off a fuck ton too many people and now cant get the mail delivered on time. USPS has been WAY slow recently.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        One thing of the new policy is no more overtime

        I don’t think they’ve had substantial layoffs but they cut out overtime substantially

        Also some some down (I know I’m hurting my argument) in March and April was bc we overwhelmed the post office during Covid19

        But there is no question, it’s an active policy by the new appointee to provide less services than before

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      This is what DeJoys policy states – he’s claiming for he’s trying to run the post office to make money

      The problem is it’s irrelevant

      The post office is not a business, it’s a publicly funded service

      You wouldn’t say the problem with the fire dept is that putting out fires doesn’t make any money

      Tax payers pay for the postal service
      And bc if it tax payers get a lot of services

      And of course the fact that it’s very recent policy even though mail Dropped usage for decades, in the heart of a national controversy about mail in ballots, after appointment of a guy with no experience to the post office (by trump) who’s a huge trump donor – that’s a bit suspicious

    • D's avatar D says:

      CavalierKong says:
      August 14, 2020 at 10:51 am

      I probably order om average 3-5 things a week through Amazon and other companies. The last month or so things have been getting delayed over and over, and I didn’t realize it’s only the stuff coming through USPS until about a week ago.

      Do you know how frustrating it is when your toaster cozy is two days later than expected? I was in there using a terry cloth for toaster protection? Terry cloth! What a world, lol.
      ———————————————————–
      See down here Amazon must be using a different service, that shit is arriving before they say it will. We do have a distribution center/warehouse in Mobile so maybe thats part of the reason. I did notice big differences between the cigar shipments though, if it touches just ever so lightly a USPS facility or carrier im fucked, otherwise its been pretty snappy. I guess they are forcing me to pay for their premium service lol.

  23. D's avatar D says:

    If i dont pay the premium on the shipping it goes UPS with a handoff to USPS at some point. The UPS part, pretty speedy and then it gets to Morrow GA where USPS takes over and thats when the cussing starts. Took three fucking days to be processed at the Morrow GA facility. I could have driven there, picked it up from the facility and driven back in about 9 hours roundtrip.

  24. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    So why the attack on USPS? who started this issue? Change? mail in ballets?

    you light a match, set something on fire and point your finger elsewhere?

    Oh MY! Look what he’s doing!
    typical DEMS

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      So you’re saying Trump’s ends justify the means?

      It’s ok for him to sabotage the USPS, which will hurt many Americans because he’s doing it in response to the dems wanting universal mail in voting?

      First off, you could use that argument for everything the dems do. They do it to stop what they perceive to be in response to Trump dismantling our US institutions, etc.

      Second, you do understand that mail in balloting has been a part of this country for decades in a number of states, right?

      Third, how do reconcile that idea the dems are starting a fire with wanting mail in balloting, when Trump himself said it’s ok, just only in Florida where he perceives it helps him? How the heck does that make sense to you?

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        CavalierKong says:
        August 14, 2020 at 11:01 am
        So you’re saying Trump’s ends justify the means?
        _________________________________________

        You’re speculating, i never said that, personally i don’t know a thing about what’s going on with USPS, I just know that at every turn the dems are attacking him.
        why not just focus on the countries problems instead of focusing your political gain at the expense of your opponent?
        _________________________________

        (Second, you do understand that mail in balloting has been a part of this country for decades in a number of states, right?)
        ___________________________________
        the mail in ballets would be nation-wide

        why change anything? why do dems want this change?

        could it be because they think the people will vote Trump back into office if our election system remains the same? if that’s the case they don’t want what the people want.

        the dems don’t elect a pres, the people do!

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      Fourth, the dems don’t have the power to unilaterally ‘create’ universal mail in balloting. That power rests with the states, and should be up to the states. We’ve had it in California with no restrictions since the 70’s.

      So Trump is attempting to usurp that power by sabotaging something the dems can’t do. What he is in effect trying to do is take that power away from the states. But yes, blame everything on the dems.

      What exactly have the dems done to effect universal mail in balloting that is the fire you are talking about? Other than calling for it?

  25. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    The Democrats have no credibility, anything said by them is a waste of air.

    I would actually consider their position if they were not so corrupt.

  26. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Poor Bill Barr, had to go in front of that Clown act, LOL.

    he’s a great man to be able to hold his composure.

    and some of you would actually vote for those clowns?

  27. D's avatar D says:

    D says:
    August 14, 2020 at 10:58 am

    CavalierKong says:
    August 14, 2020 at 10:51 am

    I probably order om average 3-5 things a week through Amazon and other companies. The last month or so things have been getting delayed over and over, and I didn’t realize it’s only the stuff coming through USPS until about a week ago.

    Do you know how frustrating it is when your toaster cozy is two days later than expected? I was in there using a terry cloth for toaster protection? Terry cloth! What a world, lol.
    ———————————————————–
    See down here Amazon must be using a different service, that shit is arriving before they say it will. We do have a distribution center/warehouse in Mobile so maybe thats part of the reason. I did notice big differences between the cigar shipments though, if it touches just ever so lightly a USPS facility or carrier im fucked, otherwise its been pretty snappy. I guess they are forcing me to pay for their premium service lol.
    Reply

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      When it comes through Fed Ex or UPS, I get it very quickly. We have a distribution warehouse in Sacramento, so anything shipped directly from Amazon is very fast. But if it goes through USPS I can expect delays, even though the warehouse is like 10 miles away.

  28. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    You can actually hate everything the Democrats stand for, without necessarily agreeing with everything Trump does or says. That is where I stand. I am conservative, and always will be, regardless of political affiliation or politicians rhetoric. I just cannot agree with ANYTHING the Democrats stand for, so I basically will do anything I can (voting wise) to remove any Democrat from their seat, or prevent them from getting one.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      I very much believe in standing with issues as opposed to political affiliation. In this case I just take your first line and reverse the particulars. You can actually hate everything Trump stands for, without necessarily agreeing with everything the dems do or say.

      I was raised republican and still have a conservative core though I am libertarian now. I think the dems are the epitome of political corruption, but Trump is a dangerous demagogue who divides our country in a way I’ve never seen before, not even with Obama. I still feel he hijacked the GOP, and many republicans are just stuck on the ride. I want him out of office, no matter the alternative, then maybe we can normalize in the 2024 election.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        wrong, the division is from the dems, whatever happen to after the chips fall everyone get together and support their president?

      • bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

        I agree with much of your post, I just cannot ever vote for a Democrat, regardless of the other option, especially now, with some of these radicals on the left. I understand and respect your position, we just approach it in different ways.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        I can respect that, Bookman. I can’t stand what the democratic party has become. If it weren’t for the election of Trump, I guarantee you would see me defending the GOP on here instead of the dems. My defense of them is more in relation to my condemnation of Trump than an ideological affiliation.

        I noticed it the other day, I usually seem to be ‘on their side’ in these discussions. I usually feel like showering afterwards, lol. But again it’s more about disagreeing with everything Trump stands for as a person and a political animal, than it is agreeing with what the dems stand for.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Beleive it or not I am registered as an independent and have been my whole life

      I have always hated affiliation with any political party

      But in 2020 I am likely to vote Democrat down ballot, every other election prior to 2016, I voted for many different parties – in 2012 I even voted for the libertarian ticket

      But right now, I think it’s paramount to remove trump and Republican members of Congress who have supported him

  29. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    I believe the biggest assumption is President Trump is destroying the UPS for his personal gain!

    Which is the reach that starts this whole conversation!!!!!!!!!!

  30. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    what has trump done wrong that has to do with running a country?

    that’s what a president does, run a country, he has china in place our economy was thriving until the virus and no one could stop that virus. he has rocket man in place, he’s building the wall, he’s stopping illegal immigrants.

    I know, let’s attack him over a tweet that has nothing to do with nothing.

    these dems want to crucify him over non issues in regards to running a country.

    it’s all BS

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      The trade deficit with China is worse than its ever been – and that is a trend that was occurring well before Covid19

      My guess is opting out of the TPP made it worse

      But that’s just scratching the surface

      The real problem with trump is a disinformation campaign that has you arguing we are in a good place with China when we are in the worse place ever

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        Bc when I post stuff like this

        Then instantly you guys think
        – look who it’s coming from
        – it’s fake news
        – give him a later bag to hyper ventilate

        It’s the propaganda from trump that’s the real problem

        People have to sift through bullshit to judge him fairly
        And most of you don’t want to judge him fairly, you want to tell his critics they are crazy

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        Brought to you by the national statistics of china!

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        your chart is really showing mid 2018 the effects of Obama not Trump, change takes time. but nice try

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        You see how ignorant this response this

        Instead of caring about the content, you attack the source
        Don’t believe anything and don’t judge trump

        Here’s a bbc chart

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        It’s still before The President got the trade deal done!

        We don’t even know if it’s valid anymore.

        So it’s not that I don’t think it’s correct!

        I don’t think it’s relevant

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        It’s not before the president opted out of the TPP which caused a spike in 2019

  31. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    I haven’t paid much attention to what’s happening with the USPS thing, except for what’s been written here.

    I think you can research it, listen to both sides and still not be sure who to believe, the same as with covid.

    Someone puts a biased article up, that backs their POV, and says see I was right.

    The only conclusion about anything that has happened since 2016 is what we see with our eyes and what is admitted, everything else is subject to being called BS.

  32. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    if the Dems had just supported POTUS instead of constantly attacking him, if they just propose their differences in a debate, you could actually have a clear look at both sides and make a decision from that.

    the constant blabbering by them is ridiculous! they lose credibility

    see Bill Barr interrogation.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      Thankfully that has never happened to another president, where the opposing party fought him at every turn. LOL

      Trump has a bombastic and combative nature. He fights and attacks everything. Is it any wonder that his tone and nature are now the country’s tone and nature? I mean how can you not hold Trump just as accountable as the dems? And yes, I hold them accountable for their behavior as well. Things like Pelosi ripping up the speech, etc are childish antics, on better than the presidents.

      The president can be abusive and destructive and it’s ok, but when everything else follows suit it is everyone else’s fault and he isn’t at least as responsible?

  33. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    ocalarob says:

    You’re speculating, i never said that, personally i don’t know a thing about what’s going on with USPS, I just know that at every turn the dems are attacking him.
    why not just focus on the countries problems instead of focusing your political gain at the expense of your opponent?
    _________________________________

    (Second, you do understand that mail in balloting has been a part of this country for decades in a number of states, right?)
    ___________________________________
    the mail in ballets would be nation-wide

    why change anything? why do dems want this change?

    could it be because they think the people will vote Trump back into office if our election system remains the same? if that’s the case they don’t want what the people want.

    the dems don’t elect a pres, the people do!

    ******************************************************************

    I think your first sentence says it all. You don’t even know what you’re defending. You are just reflexively defending Trump.

    Your statement about the mail in ballots being nationwide also proves this point. the dems can’t do that. That is the kind of fearmongering Trump does that his followers eat up, just exactly like the dems do. It is the prerogative of the states. That is why we have had numerous states that have had mail in balloting for years while other have not.

    Why change anything? Again, not Trump’s choice. It’s the states.

    The question of why Trump is ok with mail in balloting in Florida and that’s ok, but anywhere it might not help him isn’t ok still hasn’t been addressed.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Anytime you say, its ok here but not there leads one to think, well whats the ace he has up his sleeve there. Same as the Dems wanting to get rid of the electoral college, i mean there is a reason they want to and i promise you its not so everything can be more fair lol.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Sooner everyone realizes these two fucking groups arent out for anyone’s betterment except their own the sooner w can get back to fixing problems. As long as you buy their rhetoric, your part of the problem. My personal assessment of the two parties is the Republicans are cold-hearted bastards and the democrats are baldfaced liars.

  34. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Piggy,
    wasn’t it Clinton who came up with NAFTA?
    the trade deficit is the amount of trade that comes from china vs the amount that china receives from the us, the reason there’s a deficit is because us companies go there and set up shop due to lower wages and taxes,

    he is combating this issue tariffs and lower taxes to bring these companies back.

    but keep right on posting your disinformation.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Yes it was Clinton who signed nafta into place

      But nafta doesn’t affect trade with China

      Because its the NORTH AMERICAN free trade agreement
      And it governs trade with Mexico and Canada not China

      Unbelievable….Jesus Christ….

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        but you get the jist, dems dont have a clue about fair trade

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        I don’t get the jist

        You were flat out wrong and accusing me of disinformation bc you actually don’t know how it works

        If you didn’t have a knee jerk reaction to defending trump bc something negative was being said about him, you wouldn’t have this problem

        NAFTA was actually supported by both parties when it was enacted
        It created bad trade deficits over decades and was due to be revamped
        We will get a boost out of its replacement when it kicks in, but it will go stale eventually too

        You just need to revamp trade agreements every few years, bc ecomonies change and you have to stimulate different industries to stay ahead

        But it’s not like Canada or Mexico don’t get something too
        You give up to get a little something
        It’s take the right combination

        But more importantly it also takes alliances with other countries
        The TPP sought to do this with the pacific and China

        Was it going to work – we will never know

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        free trade to biden is how much his some makes from it

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        I don’t NAFTA as a big example of whatever. Trump just re-did it. And the modifications are modest. So if it is a bad idea it is one both parties buy into.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        it’s disinformation because you are insinuating that Trump is the fault of the trade deficit when in actuality he’s combating it.
        why the tariffs, why is he trying to get back and retain big companies from going overseas, your chart is the repercussions from Obama.

  35. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    LOL, fast and furious today. Still, been healthy, and pretty civil. If only our leaders could debate the way we do on this site, fellas.

  36. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Cav, the dems are trying to enact nation wide mail in voting, they want to change the rules, try to keep up

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      And I’m saying, it’s a non-starter. They will never be able to that. Even republicans have said it will never happen, lol.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        Regardless of whether they can or can’t that’s the issue that Trump is responding to.
        That’s the issue that has derailed that last stimulus deal. the dems are trying to funnel money into USPS to afford nation wide mail in voting.
        Hence Trump is combatting that.

  37. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    you just cant trust dems who create false narratives and do their best to spin the truth

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      When the something along the lines of 60% of what the president says is provably untrue, how can you write that with a straight face? lol

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        please be more specific, anyone can say he’s a liar, what has he lied about regarding the running of this coountry.

        liar….liar…pants on fire!

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      please be more specific, anyone can say they are liars, what has they lied about regarding the running of this country.

      liar….liar…pants on fire!

  38. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    the dems want to remove all barriers of mail ins.

    That’s the issue

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      I get the political gain for them in that, but lots of states have done it that way for years. Why all of a sudden is it wrong?

  39. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    LOL, gotta go to a meeting. Cheers 🙂

  40. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I think Biden is urging for national making in voting
    But I don’t know that he is proposing legalization
    I think what he’s doing is asking Congress to fund states so that they can afford

    As far as I know it’s up tot he states in Biden’s plan

    Since I don’t know everything, please feel free to correct me, without calling it disinformation + bc I admit I don’t know if he is trying to get legislation passed that goes beyond funding to the states

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      the disinformation comment was about you posting a chart and insinuating that the cause is Trumps presidency when in fact he’s doing his best to combat the uneven balance of trade with china.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        it’s disinformation because you are insinuating that Trump is the fault of the trade deficit when in actuality he’s combating it.
        why the tariffs, why is he trying to get back and retain big companies from going overseas, your chart is the repercussions from Obama.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        I’m sure he thinks he is doing his best to combat those things

        I just don’t believe the results show that

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Judging voter issues like this is pretty simple. For decades the Dems have been trying to make it easier to vote and the GOP harder. Both sides it is to the Dems advantage if more people vote.

      Anything else from either side that is said about something like mail-in voting is just window dressing on that one political judgment.

  41. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    stangerx says:
    August 14, 2020 at 12:07 pm (Edit)
    I don’t NAFTA as a big example of whatever. Trump just re-did it. And the modifications are modest. So if it is a bad idea it is one both parties buy into.
    ********

    I could not agree more

    All anyone is doing with trade agreements is picking which industry to stimulate

    It’s just modest changes

    And every time these things are re-vamped, it’s modest changes

    I do believe we will get a little boost by those modest changes
    But let’s not be naive about it

    When you move tariffs around in trade agreements you help one American industry and hurt another
    Bc that’s the trade off – Canada and Mexico get some thing back

  42. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    where were obamas china tariffs?

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Obama sucked at handling this trade deficit

      I’m not arguing he didn’t
      So did his predecessors

      I’m arguing that we aren’t in a better place now and I am predicting that the steps Trump has taken won’t lead to a better palace either

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      OR0b — I take it you think tariffs are a good thing. I would agree with you if we could just put them on and the other side didn’t respond with their own…. but they do. Ask a soybean farmer how he liked Trump’s trade war with China.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        lower soybean supplies, including bad weather and a potential easing of tensions between the US and China will boost their fortunes.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        That will help — but a whole lot of places like Brazil ramped up production and entered supply contracts. Gonna have to be some real bad weather on both continents for supplies to be lower. But then a lot of US farmers probably switched crops.

  43. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Dems wear a blindfold and pack their wallets with foreign money, Trump doesn’t need their money, that’s the difference.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Whether Trump’s trade deal did a lot of good or just a little, the issue Orob is talking about is the bidens going to China and doing the 1 billion dollar corrupt deal, like he’s done in other places.

      You guys won’t acknowledge that fact, and other presidents did willfully or not similar deals. Carter and his atrocious China deal comes to mind, let alone Clinton’s and Bush’s.

  44. manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

    ORob : congrats on the Contractor License… if ya need an AC guy in the Orlando area I know someone .. 🤡

  45. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Okay

    Now I have a headache too

    Thank you for the incitefull, sometimes hostile discussion guys

    even when I disagree, I take time after to think about what was said to me, bc that’s the enitre point of talking about things like this

  46. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Amidst all the BS you have to ask yourself what is he trying accomplish? With trade he says he wants to close the deficit with China. Do his words and actions (tariffs) have a chance to accomplish that?

    What were they trying to accomplish with China under the Obama administration? Did you like the deals made?

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      We talked about it before. Was a huge fan of TPP, which was really just a Pacific NAFTA after all. And it did not include China. Given that Trump choose to keep a version of NAFTA….. thinking he just didn’t like TPP cause Obama did it and would get the credit. He could have renegotiated.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        TPP would have isolated China. Instead a huge trade void opened up which China stepped right into and seized upon to further their Silk Road initiative and greatly expand their influence throughout Asia and Indian Ocean

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        And the Aussies were left going WTF?

  47. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    There is a reason why I don’t discuss politics on here

  48. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    steveccnv says:
    August 14, 2020 at 12:47 pm
    Amidst all the BS you have to ask yourself what is he trying accomplish? With trade he says he wants to close the deficit with China. Do his words and actions (tariffs) have a chance to accomplish that?

    What were they trying to accomplish with China under the Obama administration? Did you like the deals made?
    ________________________________________________

    And regarding Piggys chart,
    you have to ask yourself, with the tariffs implemented by trump taken into consideration, wouldn’t more trade coming from china be a good thing for the US?

  49. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    The only export to China is whether or not an NFL team goes there

  50. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    My anti-liberal rant for the day.

    1) In NYC where the worst fucking Mayor in the history of the fine city rules, they will not be able to light the 9/11 memorial lights because apparently it takes 40 people to light them and due to COVID-19 it’s unsafe. He could have 800 people painting BLM on the fucking streets and have thousands of BLM protesters but to light the 9/11 memorial twin beams is unsafe.

    2) Why can’t the mainstream media discuss the murder of 5 year old Cannon Hinant who was shot by a black man, a neighbor. This is what we mean by media bias, there couldn’t be a better example and a shameful truth that because the BLM is so much more popular to talk about, they can’t even think about mentioning this heinous murder because it upsets the BLM apple cart.

    3) This kinda shit happening, despite the fact that I think Trump is a absolute ass will probably have me voting for him once again in November.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      I think the difference/distinction in the reporting is that no one is saying that Cannon Hinnant’s life didn’t matter. In fact statistically speaking there is every reason to believe that when African American murders a white person that there will be an arrest and a substantial jail sentence. The issue is when a white person murders an African American person, especially when it is a police involved homicide, the statistics go way down in terms of arrests, prosecution, convictions and sentencing go way down. The death of Cannon Hinnant is a tragedy but it is one that there will be justice for. What BLM seeks is to have that same level of justice apply in the circumstances of the murder of African Americans

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        All agreed and understood. What’s the media’s excuse for not reporting it as tragic story, in fact not even mentioning it? That’s my problem. If it were the other way around, white man killed a 5 year old black boy it would be on every channel 24/7. Tell me I’m wrong

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        I suppose the only explanation is the murder itself is of limited newsworthy value while the social justice aspect of BLM has much more news appeal. As in any private industry and the media is a private industry it is about what sells and right now social justice sells

  51. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Starting to think Jones and Howard will clamp down on the two top outside receivers and everything in the middle will be a zone scramble mess.
    ——————————————
    “We both excel at playing man coverage. I think he excels at attacking the ball better than me, so that’s something I’m learning from him.”
    — Byron Jones on X

  52. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Woohoo, meeting over. Mostly done with work for the day.

    https://www.miamidolphins.com/news/the-blitz-there-s-joy-in-hard-work

    This was the only decent Dolphins news I could find. LOL

  53. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  54. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Ken, that was truly a barristers response. It would hold in court, but doesn’t make it here. It’s garbage that the media is a political tool for the left. Simple as that. You can make fun of the orange asshole but when he talks about fake news and rails against the MSM he’s 100% correct and accurate.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      He’s correct about a lot of things
      Bc it’s impossible not to be if you are pointing out other people’s flaws
      That’s no way to lead though

      If the commander in chief becomes the finger pointer in chief – where is he leading us?

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      I disagree the media is a business and business needs to sell product. Right now attacking Trump sells the product which should lead to the question why? If Trump was so popular do you think private media could sustain attacking him? It is the law of supply and demand

  55. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  56. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    But right now, I think it’s paramount to remove trump and Republican members of Congress who have supported him.
    ——————————————
    You socialist! 😉

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Lol

      I meant through an election….the old fashioned way

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        You are a socialist….lol. I’m a NeverTrumper (actually signed up for the Lincoln Project). But that means we end up with the same goal even if started from different places. 🙂

  57. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Controversy sells. The Biden rape accusations were swept under the rug because the left don’t want it out there. If they made more of the rape accusation people would want to see that. Not everyone hates Trump.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      The Biden rape accusations were swept so far under the rug that not even news junky me knows about them. You talking about the smell the hair and too fond of little girls at rallies stuff? Cause never heard about rape.

  58. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I don’t know where Trump is leading us but I don’t know where unfit for office Biden or Kamala Harris are leading us either. I’ll take what’s behind door #1 thank you!

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      You know where trump is leading us
      We are living through it

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        First that is not a rape (which was my real point). But get the accusations were heinous. You read some of the stories about her since? Tara Reade is a nut case. A reason why you haven’t read about her in a while.And for starters she claims it happened in the halls of congress. If Biden did it he is a real real stupid man.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Pig — that wasn’t for you.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      My biggest reason for voting against Trump is not because of my party affiliation and yes I am affiliated with the other party but I believe in the need for 2 strong viable political parties which I think makes the country stronger. But I see Trump as an existential threat to our democratic institutions. He has authoritarian tendencies. He admires dictators, he attempts to limit the press and regardless of what you think about the press it is a necessary check and balance to a democracy, he hates any form of oversight as evidenced by how many inspector generals he has fired, he has instituted nepotism by putting unqualified family members into high government positions. I have no illusions that the Democratic is a dream ticket but I believe our democratic institutions will continue while I don’t feel the same about the current administration

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        With the exception that I’m not a democrat, I agree very much with this sentiment, and think it is well siad.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        And don’t forget that the post office is in the constitution….lol

  59. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    🐷 I don’t want to be narrow minded but my life hasn’t changed fir the worse because of Trump, has yours? If so, how?

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Well I used to be able to travel outside of the country and to all 50 states and it didn’t have to be this way. Trump is not to blame for the virus but he is to blame for the ineffective response

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Beyond the changes in the day to day rhetoric – Generally no

      But I started my own business in early 2016
      So that’s a major lifestyle change that is independent of politics and happened around the same time

      I don’t like his vision
      I never liked his vision
      At its core, I fundamentally disagree with him about a lot of things that are policy related
      And I don’t like my tax payer dollars used the way he wants tax dollars used

      And that’s how this whole thing is meant to work
      That’s why I hate screaming “fake news” or TDS syndrome or all the things his apologist say – every American should be vocal about the direction they want this country to go it. And trump is the only president I remember in my lifetime who doesn’t appreciate that

      Some of the problems we are having as a country (which have not affected my day to day life) were predictable

      I warned people about giving too much emphasis on record stock days years ago – I’m pretty sure I did that here, The point being that an economy like that is on hangs on a slim thread that a crisis (like a pandemic) can make meaningless

      I am morally opposed to his approach to immigration, it doesn’t affect me directly bc I was born here, but “we are looking birth place citizenship” – Could have

      I fundamentally disagree with him on almost every issue

      But most of my problems are long term policy issues

      You aren’t going to feel trade deficits, or an expanding national debt, or swindling social security returns, or the misuse of tax dollars in your day to day life until it’s too late. I just don’t want to end up there

      So I hear you. I wouldn’t say my life has changed (some of that might be luck) but I have real concerns about where we end up

  60. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Thanks for the assist Wyo. It’s just me and the lawyers right now. 😂

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      He assisted you with wikipedia. That’s like giving someone who needs a drink tap water from Mexico… 😉

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      But it was big news for a month or so……turned out not much too it, or at least the woman was a kook.

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      It’s ok.
      Like I said yesterday. Nobody is changing their mind!

      When the whole conversation starts because of an assumption that President Trump is targeting the UPS for his personal gain.

      Well It’s still just Orange man bad!

      I mean don’t listen to his presser were he stated that if Nancy will pass his Exec. Orders he will agree to the UPS funding!

      I mean helping the American worker? Who the fuck does he think he is!!!!!

      That doesn’t meet the narrative!

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        Nobody is changing my mind is right

        But if you are going to paraphrase me I respectfully request you go from ”orange man bad” to “grifting piece of bronzer coated 💩 is disastrous”

  61. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Wins against the Patriots – 1.5
    OVER/UNDER

  62. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Has Biden paid off multiple women for a variety of things? Has Biden been caught on tape actually extolling sexual assault? Has Biden got dementia?

    Only one of these questions can be answered yes, lol.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      No Kong, but when Trump was accused it was headlines for weeks. When Biden was accused it wasn’t even a blurb and even Stanger can vouch for that, he never even heard it. There’s just a huge difference in airplay when it hurts the right, and no airplay when it hurts the left. That’s dangerous. Thankfully I don’t only rely on the scraps they throw us from the left biased media. What about the ones that do though?

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        For the record — had heard of that one, but had been so fully discredited that no longer counted to me. But Reade was big headlines for weeks….. so yeah the media was covering.

  63. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    LMAO Kong

  64. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Ken, I think the 2 party system is the bigger problem. That’s how we ended up with shit or shittier. You have to admit this is easily the worst 2 candidates in history

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      I don’t know?
      Ford / Carter was a doozy

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      The 2 parties have lots of problems but 2 viable parties is generally a good thing. It promotes differences and compromise. One major problem I have and it occurred under the Democrats watch was getting rid of the 60 vote minimum in the senate. The 60 vote built compromise but the simple majority vote promotes tribalism which is kind of where we are right now

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I actually think that correct
      Except I think the 2 options in 2016 were worse than the 2 options in 2020

  65. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    What did Trump do? He called for a boycott of the NFL.

    Seems that should be relevant on this board. And no matter what some say now….. no one here did.

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      I know they talk about dog whistles and blindly following the President.

      But it really doesn’t work that way! 😉

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        LO L — well sounds like you are not in the true MAGA base. Cause Trump got some of his folks thinking wearing masks was a political statement against him. Not didn’t need them….. but not the Trump way.

  66. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Piggy – Maybe out of context, 2016 was worse, but given the fact that the Democrats had 4 years to find a viable candidate to defeat Trump and all they could come up with is an already checked out Biden is laughable and embarrassing. I mean they have been trying for 4 years to impeach Trump and now this is the guy they manufacture. Remember the video game Punch Out? You guys are putting up Glass Joe.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      in football terms Joe Biden is a BUST!

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I’m pretty sure what propelled Biden to win the democratic was that he was historically moderate even considered Republican to many people on the left

      And they are trying to win over moderates in swing states by juxtaposing him to some one like trump

      I frankly thought some of the better democrats running never caught much wind

      But I will take Biden any day of the week over Bernie, Bloomberg, or Clinton for that matter

      Take the argument you are making and turn it in it’s head
      The best that the republicans can come up with is trump

      In 2016 it was down to Trump, Cruz and Rubio 🤮

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        I agree. I think Biden’s nomination was a message to the Bernie/AOC wing of the party that the majority of the party doesn’t want to go that far to the left to which I am thankful for and in agreement with. I would have preferred Buttegig or Klobuchar but it didn’t work out that way

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Trump wasn’t even backed by the Republicans, he just wiped the floor with everyone leaving them no choice. Now they have to back the incumbent, it’s the way it works. I really liked John Kasich but he never got any traction.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Mike E:
        I really liked Kasich as well. If he was the nominee in 2016 I may very well have voted for him. I also respect the fact that he has endorsed Biden and will speak at the convention. It’s not that he supports my candidate but I respect the fact that he votes his conscience and not the just the party line. It is one of the reasons why I think I would have voted for him

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Mike E — the difference was that the Dems had seen what Trump did out of a small faction. The other candidates laughed at him and stayed and Trump won. Before the South Carolina primary Pete, Amy and all the rest of the band dropped out so Joe could win there and on Super Tuesday. Would have been Bernie otherwise.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      What candidate was better suited to beat Trump? Bernie or Warren would have been a disaster…..they actually are socialists. My fave was Mayor Pete, but the African Americans liked Biden. What you gonna do?

  67. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    I’m disappointed in myself!
    I had this in the queue all day, and din’t use it!!!!!!!!!!

  68. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Anyone who votes for biden is actually voting for Harris, she will be running the country if the left have their way

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I hope so. She was my favorite….lol

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      She’s not that liberal in a Dem sense. You have a problem with her or like the idea?

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      I agree with you on this. Biden will be asleep in the lounge chair gassing everyone out, lol.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      what happens when you get assaulted, who are you going to call? Harris has said she wants to defund the police dept

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        You can see what she wants to do concerning law enforcement here in this Forbes article

        https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcohen/2020/06/08/ragine-the-police-kamala-harris/#2cf428c95c6d

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        I’m not that worried about it. And I favor what Harris has said. Mainly that mental health calls should be handled by specialists in that area. Doesn’t that just make sense…… used to work on programs like that in the past.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Defunding the police is such a misnomer but it has been seized upon by Republicans as a campaign talking point. Harris has a very strong law enforcement background as the Attorney General of California. She was oft criticized by other for being too supportive of police and not instituting any reforms when she was AG

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        Ken

        I hear you

        FWIW it’s Democrats fault the defund the police means what it means to some people

        That’s not exactly good branding if it’s actually doesn’t mean to eliminate the police (which it doesn’t to many)

        This is probably one of those self reflection moments
        It would have been much better to to say something like “police reform” as a rallying cry

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        I totally agree Piggy. That phrase is a self inflicted wound and I knew it was going to be weaponized against the Democrats the moment I heard it being used

  69. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    oh i cant wait for heads to roll!

  70. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Look at the states where they are making cuts

  71. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Dude, seriously, this conversation has been hours long with very strongly opposing views with not one blowout and next to no nastiness. Where else in America right now can you find this? We should be governing this country.

    First piece of legislation I call for – Patriots and Jets players have to wear dunce caps and garter belts for the entirety the season for the next decade.

  72. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    i can’t wait for the Pats game, how great will it be to beat them back to back in their own stadium?

  73. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Work is killing me. I should probably do some before the day ends

  74. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    All that really matters to me right now is we’re expecting temps between 102 and 110 for the next 8 days. Blegh, I hate summer.

  75. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Seriously?🤪

    This guy would be better🤐

  76. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    What Joe Montana says Brady told him. Have to assume “they” is the evil genius.
    ———————————–
    “He (Brady) told me ‘They’d ask me my advice, I would tell them, and they didn’t take it.”

    ” I think he would like a little bit of input and I think Tampa Bay will probably let him have that, especially with the success he’s had.”

  77. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    stangerx says:
    August 14, 2020 at 12:14 pm
    Judging voter issues like this is pretty simple. For decades the Dems have been trying to make it easier to vote and the GOP harder. Both sides it is to the Dems advantage if more people vote.

    Anything else from either side that is said about something like mail-in voting is just window dressing on that one political judgment.
    ———-

    Have you noticed the dems go after people they deem low hanging fruit, easily manipulated, not savvy to what’s really going on, politically ignorant.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      If it was up to me, in order to vote you’d have to take a test like the one for citizenship in order to be eligible. But it’s not up to me. Just calling how the players on both sides see the political landscape. And as is believe completely up to each state. Funny how the GOP forgets its strong states’ rights stance on this one issue.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      I’d make it up to you, with that view, but it’ll never happen, because, as Hilllary said in her email we want the people to be uninformed and compliant, in other words we want to tell them what to do, and how to act…

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Sound a little fascist?

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        I understand will never happen, least not now. Remember to start only property owners got to vote and slaves obviously did not. Things change. Couldn’t care less what Hillary had to say. Do you?

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        No, I really don’t care what she has to say, but that wasn’t for me, it was a statement that’s typical lefty. Isn’t that what a socialist would say or a politician that’s pro big govt. or a globalist?

  78. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    I’ve done many what we call “well checks” on citizens who are reportedly having a mental health issue of some sort. I’ve done them with and without police. Most of the time, police just stood back and observed while I handled the situation. They were there more as a level of security and if the individual needed to be taken to the hospital or jail or whatever. But, it is very, very dangerous to put mental health workers in situations like that. Cops have body armor, guns, stun guns, and all sorts of training on how to manage a violent situation. Social workers have a notebook and a business card and are trained to be nice. People are way off base if they think “mental health workers” can do what police do. And, they are vastly underestimating the danger those individuals would be put in. Unless you have very competent triage information of the situation, it would be asking a lot of MH workers to do that sort of thing on a regular basis. I wouldn’t want that job unless you’re going to allow me to protect myself somehow.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      What’s your take on MH case biden?

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Sort of depends on where you draw the line doesn’t it? Would you have a problem responding to possible suicide call? No one is saying MH folks should show up alone to a hostage situation. There already are models for this kind of response to non-dangerous MH situations.

  79. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Joe Burrow has some pocket issues

    Watch “Draft Analysis: Joe Burrow, Part 3” on YouTube

  80. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Stang, I’ll take 110 and dry over 95 and humid every time.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      humidity kills. When we moved to FLA were worried about the heat during the summer but turned out no better or worse than in DC. 90 and humid there was same as 98 and not so humid here (we live near the water and get the breeze).

  81. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    stanger,
    That’s why I said you need good triage going on. Who decides what calls can be handled by a MH worker and which ones require police involvement? 911 operators are not trained at that level of triage. A call for help can also be very different than the actual situation you’re called into. And, that fairly benign situation can potentially turn very dangerous, very fast. Then what? The MH worker just runs really fast? Cops can defend and/or protect themselves.
    ***
    I went on a call once that was a guy saying he wanted to go to the hospital….not much more info. He met me at the door holding a 9 inch kitchen knife. I’ve had clients rush cops and knock them to the ground holding weapons because they wanted the cops to shoot them. I could go on and on….and I live in a city with a 50K population with very robust MH services. What happens in NYC where there are a whole lot more unstable mentally ill individuals who probably aren’t getting adequate care and are extremely unpredictable?

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Presumably if on any call the MH folks are on turns potentially violent they back off and do call the cops, but doesn’t that go for any in person visit. My wife was a parole officer whose beat was Anacostia. She was knocking on the doors in the “hood” of DC. She knew what to do if didn’t look right.

  82. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    For decades the Dems have been trying to make it easier to vote and the GOP harder. Both sides it is to the Dems advantage if more people vote.
    —–
    Based on this statement, kind of backed up by each sides stance on the wall, how does each sides stance on abortion logically make sense?

    The right has most of the evangelicals, so I can see that for part of the right, but why is the left for abortion? Wouldn’t you think the left would benefit from more black people, the same as they would for more hispanics?

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Only folks against abortion are the Holly Rollers and they are GOP. Hence the stances on that. No one is thinking about population growth because of it…… and in any event the blacks and hispanics are winning that one. May be the evangelicals are good at birth control.

  83. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    LOL, I just caught this. A way better insult than ‘sleepy joe’.
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    Mike E says:

    You guys are putting up Glass Joe

  84. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    LMAO, this is even better. I need to go back through the posts more often to see what I missed.

    The Flying Pig says:

    But if you are going to paraphrase me I respectfully request you go from ”orange man bad” to “grifting piece of bronzer coated 💩 is disastrous”

  85. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Furry balls plopped menacingly on the table

  86. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Kong are your boys going to win a restart game at some point?

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      It’s pretty maddening because going into the end of the season we were playing as well as any team in the league even without Tarasenko. I really liked our chances at a deep run to repeat, even in a stacked Western Conference.

      I think if we lose tonight we can just pack it up.

  87. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    stanger,
    Absolutely. There are nonviolent skills and things you can do in any potentially volatile or dangerous situation. They do work….until they don’t. As the old saying goes…..if things turn violent….you’ve probably already screwed up….but then what? If we’re going to start sending MH workers into even more dangerous situations than they already are instead of cops, the risk goes up. I would almost guarantee people will be hurt or killed. I agree that the police are used in situations where they may not be the best fit….but these situations can also be potentially very dangerous. Police are protected. MH workers aren’t. We sometimes joke that we should be issued Kevlar instead of a date book. Social worker is actually already one of the most dangerous jobs and only getting harder. Kudos to your wife. Tough job.

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  92. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Shorty Kong, but it really was a 4 on 4, since that’s what was on the ice when the drive started.

  93. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    It really cracks me up when people say that Trump is to blame for ineffective response to COVID.

    There is no one alive on earth that has seen a pandemic like this. Not with size of the world population now and the amount of world wide travel there is today. Not to mention the communicability of this virus compared to others.

    Harris tried comparing the handling of this pandemic to Obama/Biden handling of Ebola in 2014. Really! That’s some ridiculous shit right there. They sent the military to West Africa to help them deal with it. They didn’t have to deal with shit in CONUS. That just shows me that Biden/Harris have no clue how they would have handled this pandemic. Biden wants a mandatory, nationwide order for everyone outside to have to wear a mask. Really, that’s all you can come up with Joe?

    When Obama started getting criticism for not doing much he finally listen to his experts and said the best way to stop this disease, the best way to keep Americans safe, is to stop it at its source. Then he sent the military over. BUT, when Trump institutes a travel ban early, he gets called a racist by the Dems and Pelosi calling for a street party in China Town. WTF

    No support from the left half of the government at all during a severe pandemic purposely trying to make Trump look bad and the American People suffer as a result. Refer to all the bullshit they try to pass in these relief bills. The Dems all ready held the American people hostage on the first bill so they could get a 25 mil renovation of a fucking museum or whatever it was. The Dems are so anti Trump they don’t give a rats ass about the American People. A major portion of that party has become anti American.

    How people can say ineffective response like we could have just put superglue on a paper cut.

    Believe what you will though.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      So why with only 4% of the world’s population we have over 25% of the world’s Covid cases and related deaths? What are the other countries doing right and we are doing wrong? You think leadership doesn’t matter but it does and our leadership of the which the President is the chief executive of has failed us.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        Not sure about your stats however the us is 20 times bigger than most those countries. So your prodem stats may be skewed

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        What we’re doing wrong is incentivizing the numbers and testing more, while the rest of the world is undercounting and not testing.

        If you believe the numbers I have a bridge for sale…

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        ORob — what does population size have to do with percentages?
        steve — don’t think amount of testing has much to do with death totals. Pretty simple test for death.

  94. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    El Mago de las Fritas in Miami, I want someone who knows the area to go with me during a Fest weekend to get a Cuban burger they look amazing.
    🐽

  95. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    I could say “Ride the River” clear out of the blue and my wife would respond dutifully with “in this boat”, it’s awesome