2021 Position Outlook – Safety

The Miami Dolphins secondary was the strongest unit on the 2020 roster, but it wasn’t necessarily because of the play of our safeties. I believe Eric Rowe had a strong season, but the strength of the secondary was based on the excellent play of the two corners, Xavien Howard and Byron Jones. Bobby McCain was good, not great, and the younger players showed some promise here and there but failed to make a clear case to be a starter going forward. Clayton Fejedelem who was a free agent pickup and a good one because Fejedelem is a special teams ace.

Young Brandon Jones proved to be a reliable tackler and that’s good, but didn’t show anything special as far as instincts in pass coverage. Jones was seconds in tackles in the secondary behind Eric Rowe with 62 tackles, but his 1 pass defensed and zero interceptions seem to imply he’s better in run support and bringing down receivers than he is in pass coverage. Jones still had a nice rookie season after being drafted in the 3rd RD (#70). Kavon Frazier who came over from Dallas in free agency played in 15 games but he was almost solely on special teams. Good Ole Bobby McCain had somewhat of a bounce back season, but I don’t feel like he did anything that made him indispensable for this coming season. His cap hit versus salary make him a possible cap casualty as they can save about $5.6M if they cut him. This can open up a potential spot for either Brandon Jones or potentially a draft pick or a free agent signing.

In the 2021 draft, S Trevon Moehrig from TCU may be the best prospect for us. Moehrig 6’2 202 has the size and length that we don’t have with Bobby Mac. A former WR and special teams guy Moehrig worked hard to become a very strong defensive player.He has good ball skills with 4 INT’s in his Sophomore year and adding another 2 in a shortened season last year. He possesses good instincts and good long range speed along with a quick burst, ideal for coverage in the NFL where it could be anything from a RB, WR or TE. Jevon Holland is another good safety prospect but he may be similar to Bobby Mac in that he also plays the slot well and may end up a better player at slot CB than safety. This is not a great safety class and it appears as if Moehrig is the cream of the crop.

In free agency, Justin Simmons heads the class. He’s almost certainly out of range as he will garner somewhere around $15M per, so he will not be a Miami Dolphin. Former NY Jet Marcus Maye is also a top FA, but again, he will be out of our range. Former Steeler Sean Davis is a free agent and I liked him in that draft, very explosive and agile, ran a 4.46 40, 3.97 short shuttle which is very fast and a 6.64 3 cone which is elite agility. In the NFL though, Davis has been meh, starting at SS in his first 3 seasons and coming up with 5 INT’s those 3 years. The drafting of Terrell Edmunds (Bills Tremaine Edmunds brother) and then the trade for MFFF no doubt buried him on the depth chart. He may be worth a risk to resurrect his career. I don’t feel like safety is a position where we have to do anything, so it’s possible we just leave well enough alone and let a guy like Brandon Jones develop.


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1,369 Responses to 2021 Position Outlook – Safety

  1. bailbondmike says:

    Nice article! S Trevon Moehrig would be huge in our secondary. Though, I have been focusing on mid to late round safeties. Ones who are solid in all aspects and versatile.

  2. New Age says:

    Good article Mike. I also don’t think safety’s a need but it would be really nice to get some size back there. Bobby is little and it’s pretty easy to find mismatches against him. Damn that MFF!

  3. stangerx says:

    I can’t figure out what scheme we play, and think in large part it is cause we use a bunch of them. Lot of sets though I see one safety way deep, single man with the two corners and a whole bunch of guys up close. To me that says a kick-ass FS would be a real asset. Even if like him, not sure that is Bobby McCain, especially with the money involved.

    So yeah thinking we could draft a FS rover, even in the 2nd round.

  4. bailbondmike says:

    There are some good safeties in this draft, IMO. Quite a few with some versatility Flores likes.

    If we were to get one early, and early, I mean pick 50 or top of 3rd, I would like to get a really good punishing thumper SS type with good cover skills. That guy for me would be Talanoa Hufanga from USC. Dude always seems to play hyped up all the time like the Honey Badger. At 6’1 215 he kind of reminds me of a big Honey Badger or a Polamalu but not as good in coverage as the Badger though.

    From “thedraftnetwork”:
    Talanoa Hufanga was a versatile defender for the Trojans defense. He is a safety by trade but has aligned in multiple places due to his diverse skill set. He is a violent tackler who seems to enjoy the physical aspect of the game. His mental aptitude allows him to easily align in multiple places. He has made strides in the passing game, evidenced by his four interceptions this season. He is an instinctive player who plays the game with a violent edge.

    Ideal Role: Eventual starting safety.

    Scheme Fit: His skill set will allow him the versatility to play in any scheme.

  5. stangerx says:

    PBP’s Joe Schad went through the big mocks and tabulated who they say we will take first.
    1. Ja’Marr Chase, LSU, WR (4 selections: Charley Casserly, Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, Austin Gayle) — Casserly says Chase reminds him of DeAndre Hopkins of the Cardinals. Gayle, of Pro Football Focus, notes Chase was utterly dominant as a 19-year-old true sophomore, when he last played football.

    2. DeVonta Smith, Alabama, WR (3 selections: Mel Kiper, Lance Zierlein, Josh Tolentino) — Kiper wants to see Smith and Tua Tagovailoa reunited. Tolentino of The Athletic notes Smith posted 215 yards and three touchdowns in the last national championship game at Hard Rock Stadium.

    3. Penei Sewell, Oregon, OT (2 selections: Vinnie Iyer, Doug Farrar) — Iyer of the Sporting News suggests Sewell has “smooth agility for pass protection and rock-like stature for the running game.” Farrar of USA Today notes Tagovailoa was weak when pressured: 95 drop backs with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

    4. Jaylen Waddle, Alabama, WR (1 selection: Todd McShay) — In McShay’s scenario, the Dolphins trade down to 8 in a deal with the Panthers. It’s unlikely Miami would select Waddle with the third pick, but there are some draft experts who prefer Waddle over Smith because of Waddle’s blazing speed and sterling yards-after-catch.

    Full that includes same for #18

  6. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – What’s great is we will definitely have our choice of a few players we really want, whether we trade back or not. I have no problem with either Chase, Sewell, Smith or Waddle. One of those guys is going to improve our team. Sewell isn’t a sexy pick but thinking of those mountains (Kindley and Hunt) on the interior of our line along with Jackson and whomever we have at center makes that line very promising indeed. Either WR would be an immediate upgrade to what we have. Get a good RB in this draft and I think this offense is much more formidable.

    • stangerx says:

      How hard is it to get a good player at #3 unless his last name is Jordan? 🙂

      But yeah if we pick there hoping it is Sewell. Buy into your vision. Same time my very best hope is #3 won’t be our slot.

      • Mike E. says:

        Hey, it’s not the worst thing. If the Texans were a better team we might have a pick in the 20’s, so I’d rather have my choice of players at #3 than the 25th pick. It’s a win no matter how you slice it, whether we trade back or not. Extra picks are always great but quality from your picks is priceless.

  7. Tim Knight says:

    It will be interesting to see what we do in FA first. I don’t think we’ll be big players but I wouldn’t be surprised if we sign one big FA meaning an immediate starter.

  8. mf13ss says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    February 27, 2021 at 10:37 pm

    I don’t know who Jason McIntyre is

    But that is unquestionably tampering if true

  9. mf13ss says:


    Tell me what you think of this song… it came out 2 days ago, and kind of goes hand-in-hand with the video Phelon posted the other day. It think it goes with some of the political talk that’s been on this blog lately, but I’m (seriously) NOT trying to get political.

    This guy — Tom MacDonald — is a genius. He’s self-produced, self-written, self-distributed (all just like me), but he’s the #1 artist right now according to many online metrics. I try to stay away from politics in my music… perhaps I should have second thoughts(?)… LOL

    • mf13ss says:

      I think Mike E will love this one… I just hope he doesn’t want to kiss me! JK/LOL, Mike E! 😉

    • Tim Knight says:

      I really like the message but I’m bored with the rap rant. I’m also tired of this topic. I live a different life than what people are telling me it is. As you know I don’t fear the bogeyman. It’s all about individuals. The masses can always control the world rather than the minority elite. They’re just not united… yet.

      • mf13ss says:

        I hear ya, man. And again, I certainly don’t want to get into politics… but this guy has BALLS, and he’s making it work as an indy artist. I suppose what he’s talking about isn’t so controversial as many had previously thought.

        Meaning… he’s not trying to make something popular, rather he’s speaking to popular thought… and he’s addressing both sides of the aisle in the name of peace. I like it.

        However, he’s certainly not my flavor in music. He’s just quite interesting, to say the least!

      • Tim Knight says:

        I agree. He didn’t do anything wrong or anything. I’m just tired of the angst among people. It’s an agenda not the norm in society. At least I don’t live that.

    • i couldnt watch more than a few seconds, the dude looks and sounds bat shit crazy with his creepy haloween costume and fake crayons

      i did google his lyrics to see what he is about, he is clueless as to how the rest of the world works, and seems all butt hurt about losing his white superiority

  10. mf13ss says:

    Mike E,

    Good write on the Safety position. I have a serious feeling that if we don’t make a surprise move in FA to nab a Safety (give me Desmond King), we’re going to make a surprise move in the Draft to nab a Safety. Not saying early, as in day 1 or 2, but early day 3. Just a rumble in my gut. We shall see…

  11. bailbondmike says:

    M13, ever since you posted “Fake Woke” I have been keeping up with Tom McDonald. Dude is so on the money. Thanks!

  12. New Age says:


    A study says the exact opposite. https://freakonomics.com/2011/07/28/minority-rules-why-10-percent-is-all-you-need/

    If you think about it, it’s true. Most people don’t care and just want to do their own thing. 10% push the narrative. When you wonder how things change when most people don’t even seem to support it…it’s this. It’s how the Revolution was won. It’s how most revolutions and changes occur. It’s how the elite rule us. It’s how everything really works.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I wasn’t talking about what is, but what it can be. Individuals change the behavior in society on a daily basis, not the government. We just don’t do it enough. So we listen to the angry narrative about who the next leaders will be. Oh okay, yeah that’s the answer. LOL

  13. agree with ya Tim, i dont fear the bogeyman either, i always hated fearmongering politicians, and dont have much time for people crying chicken little 24/7

    if Your family isnt right, fix it, lol dont need politicians for that

  14. i had a guy tell me to not wear a mask they dont work.
    this guy was weird, had a huge trump face super imposed onto Rockys body, lol
    i guess he never saw an overweitght old man with his shirt off, lol they DONT look like Rocky

    i told them they do work, and i always wear them for my sake and others.

    then he told me how he got the covid, and only had to spend a few days in the hospital, lol

    so the minimum wage fast food worker knows more than the doctors, and knows they dont work, but admitted he got the covid, lol

    i told him, thanks for proving they work, i have never gotten it while wearing a mask, lol

  15. i watched all of the Rocky movies , and Rocky never trained by riding on golf carts, lol

    anyone wearing a tshirt like that is weird, and out of touch with reality IMO

  16. BBM, according to wikipedia, the natives in this county i moved to, have the highest high school dropout in the nation, number 1, SMH lol they are REALLY dumb!

    its not my job to educate the high school dropouts here, just trying to build My country home on affordable property, and runs into town feel like i ran into the cast of deliverance, lol
    i guess if i keep a distance they wont bite often,,,

  17. Mike E. says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    March 1, 2021 at 5:15 am (Edit)

    i couldnt watch more than a few seconds, the dude looks and sounds bat shit crazy with his creepy haloween costume and fake crayons
    LMAO!!! He looks perfect to be appointed for a cabinet spot for Joe Biden.

    • lol hes a canadian rapper, that sings about illumanit cloning rappers in a lab.

      interestingly enough, he doesnt have any songs about Canadian politics, but hes a certified whack job for claiming that rappers are cloned by the illuminati, among other weird things about him
      imo, hes not suitable for anything in America, lol hes canadas problem

  18. Mike, ive seen guys like him before, Canadian citizens all worried about US politics, and not a word about Canadian politics.

    maybe they should focus on their country instead of ours, jus sayin

  19. the illimaniti in canada screwed up with this guy imo, lol
    hes living in a socialist nation with free health care pretending to be an American conservative

    they likely have much better clone rappers than him, somebody just demand a full refund of their clone deposit, lol

  20. im gonna google, illuminati clone rappers manufacturing near Me, and see what shows up,,,,,lol

    hopefully they arent too pricy, and have no interest financing, lol

  21. bailbondmike says:

    Man, when someone speaks the truth and wants to open the eyes of people on what is really going on in this country and it is against what the far left wants, David sure goes off on a tangent.

    “i did google his lyrics to see what he is about, he is clueless as to how the rest of the world works,”
    Sounds like a narcissist comment to me. Narcissists spew comments like this and they are really describing themselves.

    David, I feel sorry for you in how blind you really are.

  22. bailbondmike says:

    He was born and raised Canadian but has lived in LA, CA for a long time. You and I were born and raised here with our political system. Sometimes you can get a better view of things by listening to someone from the outside looking in. Companies/Corporations do it all the time.

  23. bailbondmike says:

    What is clueless in these lyrics?

    “They knew that race war would be the game they need to play
    For people to pick teams, they use the media to feed the flame”
    That screams Don Lemon right there all day and almost everyday.

    “There’s a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate”

    “I think Black Lives Matter was the stupidest name
    When the system’s screwin’ everyone exactly the same

    “We got so divided, it’s black and white and political
    Republicans are bigots, libtards if you’re liberal
    There’s riots in our streets, and it’s just gettin’ worse
    Y’all screamin’, “Defund the police”, y’all are genius for sure
    They’re underfunded already, they’re way too busy to work
    Order food and call the cops, see what reaches you first”

    “Segregation ended, that’s a lie in itself
    That was a strategy to make us think they were tryin’ to help
    They knew that racism was hot if they designed it to sell
    We buy up every single box and divide us ourselves”

    “Politicians are for sale and someone always makes the purchase
    But you and I cannot afford it, our democracy is worthless”

    “Instead of asking God for the strength to keep winnin’
    We cheat to get ahead, and then we ask Him for forgiveness”

  24. bailbondmike says:

    That was a different song but this is one M13 posted. These are just some of the lyrics.

    David, what is clueless about these?

    “You worry ’bout leavin’ a better planet for our kids
    How ’bout leavin’ better kids for our planet?”

    “Entire generation offended at everything
    Getting mad that a human thinks all lives matter
    We don’t need black or white, or left or right
    All we need is common sense, we need balance”

    “I believe in two genders, I’m not mad at the rest
    I’m just confused when a dude has a beard and some breasts”

    “I think fighting violence with more violence is what they want
    Viruses and riots, people dying, we won’t stay home
    Black Lives Matter, All Lives Matter, what’s all this division for?
    It’s modern segregation, this is setting up a civil war”

    “When I was a child, the only races that we hated
    Were the ones that we ran and didn’t win
    Then we stopped playing with each other, started hatin’ on each other
    Started noticin’ the color of our skin”

    “I think picking sides divides, it’s probably what has got us here
    United States is great regardless, that’s what we’ve forgotten here
    Black Lives Matter, All Lives Matter, what’s all this division for?
    It’s modern segregation, this is setting up a civil war”

    “This is what they wanted, this is how they planned it
    This is to control everyone on the planet
    Then we put each other in caskets, protest in panic
    And they take advantage to manage the damage
    We won’t always agree, nope, freedom doesn’t come free, nope
    There was people fighting, dyin’ overseas so that you could have freedom and be home”

    “I think the elites are real, but they ain’t drinking babies’ blood
    They’re creating chaos so they have something to save you from
    Black Lives Matter, All Lives Matter, what’s all this division for?
    It’s modern segregation, this is setting up a civil war”

    I know what it was, he had one line with the name Trump in it, “Trump can’t build a wall, why does your house have a fence?”. Then up went “your wall” and your blinders and suddenly he is a clueless Canadian. SMH

  25. bailbondmike says:

    David, here are some more lyrics and a video for you. “No Lives Matter” What is clueless in these lyrics?

    Hip hop died, it’s full of guys who cannot even rap (Facts)
    Media dividing us by colors, white or black (Facts)
    If you believe in Jesus these days Christians get attacked (Facts)
    If you don’t hate police, then everybody thinks you’re wack

    And everything’s so connected
    Black Lives Matter got so aggressive
    White folks who agree can’t support the message
    Both sides go to war ’cause they don’t respect it
    Our social climate from the global tension
    Turned to total violence and a whole depression
    We could unify and then all go against them
    But we let ’em divide us with votes and elections (Ayy)
    The music we bump, all about shootin’ guns and doin’ drugs (Ayy, whoa)
    The things that we want are promoted subliminally through the songs
    Like, “You need a fast car, you need designer clothes, you need a rap star
    To tell you to start poppin’ pills, hit the blunt and go live at the club ’til you’re broke”
    It’s all controlled by the elites
    Put fake news all over our screens
    Convincing the right to go fight with the left
    And distract from the fact it’s each other we need, uh
    Divided by race and religion, segregated into teams, uh
    You a white supremacist, if you not, I guess you’re ANTIFA

    Screaming from the rooftops, beatdown, battered
    Turned us on each other, now no lives matter
    If we do what the news wants, blood gon’ splatter
    Turn us on each other ’til no lives matter

    Freedom’s dead; if you have an opinion, take it back (Facts)
    People hate the president; if you don’t, then you trash (Facts)
    Indoctrinate the nation usin’ news and mainstream rap (Facts)
    The government abuses us, it’s all part of the plan (Facts)

    And it’s so confusing
    Black Lives Matter’s a valuable movement
    But All Lives Matter ain’t racist or stupid
    It’s non-black humans who don’t feel included
    All colors fall under laws that govern
    The whole country and we all suffer
    We’re all broke and nobody recovers
    Until we accept that we’re all brothers (Ayy)
    The music we make, all about big booties and getting paid (Ayy, whoa)
    We watch the news and it fills up our brains with violence and riots and race
    Like, “This is a race war, you need to hate more, get what you came for
    You need some songs about Xanax and violence so you can escape more”
    What a vicious cycle we can’t break away from
    They control the culture, they control the paper
    They’re indoctrinating a whole generation
    ‘Til the patriots start to hate the nation
    The music we love make us dumb and addicted
    The news that we watch is brainwashing the children
    The viruses, riots, and racist conditions
    Ain’t problems, they’re symptoms of life in the system

    Screaming from the rooftops, beatdown, battered
    Turned us on each other, now no lives matter
    If we do what the news wants, blood gon’ splatter
    Turn us on each other ’til no lives matter

    The music’ll make you dumb
    The media makes you hate
    And they control ’em both
    There ain’t no escape
    They put the world in a state of chaos
    Economy crashin’ and massive layoffs
    Black against white or it’s left versus right
    Divide and conquer and control is the payoff

    Screaming from the rooftops, beatdown, battered
    Turned us on each other, now no lives matter
    If we do what the news wants, blood gon’ splatter
    Turn us on each other ’til no lives matter

  26. bailbondmike says:

    Sorry for the long “Cav” posts. I promise I am done! Coming off 2 hours of sleep and too much coffee already this morning. Hate that I may have ruined the “Safety” blog, lol.

    • steveccnv says:

      No problem it was necessary, every word. I think some here have already adapted to this philosophy of we need to stick together no matter the color, party or other. It’s us against the machine.

    • CavalierKong says:

      IMO, Cav like posts should always be welcome, lol. Just make sure you always go full on Kong and have a blonde in at least one hand- style points. 😉

  27. steveccnv says:

    Strangely I agree with this mock and FA signings


    I’ve said I don’t want to make a splash in FA, especially for an RB, but getting Jones and Linsley, then drafting Penei and Pitts would make it a great O.

    Don’t know anything about the S and LB they drafted, but if what they said is true our D would be vastly improved.

    • steveccnv says:

      Another reason for doing it would be to fast forward Tua’s development, if he doesn’t look like a franchise QB in that O, he isn’t a franchise QB.

  28. stangerx says:

    Haven’t seen D in a while. Did I miss him saying he was going on a trip or something?

    • CavalierKong says:

      2 yrs, 31 mil- 23 guaranteed.
      Glad we didn’t pursue that

      • stangerx says:

        That’s about what he was on the books for with Houston.
        I sorta of liked the idea of JJ and TJ crunching a QB together, but maybe Pitt just didn’t need JJ.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I think Pitt has a negative cap right now, they probably couldn’t afford to sign him.

  29. CavalierKong says:


  30. pheloniusphish says:

    Cav – You watched any Strike Back yet?

  31. Mike E. says:

    Didn’t expect Watt to end up in ARZ, although that defense just got better. If he could stay healthy for them he will help that defense.

    • stangerx says:

      Pretty much says his only goal wasn’t a ring. But yeah money counts too. 🙂

      • Mike E. says:

        The Cards have an explosive offense, they need that defense tightened up some. Watt should help

      • stangerx says:

        Watt will help for sure, but if he stays healthy only Q will be if it is $15 mil per year worth of help. A lot for a 31 year-old DE, even if a great one before.

    • steveccnv says:

      I think its great he’s going to AZ. Out of our conference and we played that division last year.

  32. Mike E. says:

    Phelon/Kong – Either of you watch Longmire? Good show. I didn’t have any desire to try it but it’s a good show. The lead character Sheriff Walt Longmire (Robert Taylor) totally reminds me of Adam West. He sounds so much like him.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I’ve heard of Longmire, but never watched it. Pretty hard to imagine an Adam West cowboy type as anything but a comedy, lol.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Haven’t watched it yet. I caught up on Jack Ryan and started over on Strike Back which I’m about 4 seasons behind.

  33. mf13ss says:

    bailbondmike says:
    February 28, 2021 at 10:24 pm
    M13, ever since you posted “Fake Woke” I have been keeping up with Tom McDonald. Dude is so on the money. Thanks!
    You’re most welcome, Brother. I find him to be most intriguing, though his look is a little, shall we say… different, LOL. Yessir, the man speaks truth.

  34. The Flying Pig says:

    Lately I haven’t been agreeing with Armando too much

    But this isn’t a bad idea

    • mf13ss says:

      Like I said to BBM the other day, he finally produced in a contract year. But BBM made the stellar observation that he finally went back to his natty OLB position and actually had a good Defensive coach, which got the best out of him.

      I’d love to have Haason on our team… IF the price is right. I wouldn’t pay him elite money though.

      • CavalierKong says:

        That answers the question I was about to post about why didn’t the Cards sign their young pass rusher instead of signing a highpriced aging vet.

      • stangerx says:

        M13 — seems $12M-15M is elite money.

      • stangerx says:

        My bad — those figures were for the Cards cap space. Looks from a Cardinals site that he might go for $10 mil though. And it was a breakout year (7.5 sacks in the 3 years before). 26 is mighty nice though.

  35. mf13ss says:

    David, why so outraged by Tom MacDonald? He’s all about UNITY… something I thought you were all about.

  36. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    March 1, 2021 at 2:28 pm
    M13 — seems $12M-15M is elite money.
    Then I wouldn’t sign Haasan (as obviously the Cardinals wouldn’t, as Cav Kong stated above), because he hasn’t shown the ability to be consistent. If I’m Phins GM, I’d sign him to a ‘prove it’ deal at best.

    • stangerx says:

      Just replied above in a way. My guess the kid is going to want long term in his 2nd contract…. so not thinking show me an option. The “flash in the pan” factor might bring his price down.

      • mf13ss says:

        Yes, now you understand. If his price comes down to reality (“if the price is right”), I’d consider him. And I should think a wise GM would consider that “flash in the pan” factor, as well. We’ll see what happens!

  37. steveccnv says:

    JJ was cut, so he’s free to sign with anyone, FAs have to wait until the league year starts. If the Cards still want Hasson, they can work something out, don’t think signing JJ means they’re done with him

  38. mf13ss says:

    Spotrac ‘guestimated’ FA OLB contracts (they are VERY good at this, BTW), w/ age they will be at kickoff 2021…

    OLB Bud Dupree: $18.2M/year (29 years old)
    OLB Von Miller: $10.3M/year (32 years old)
    OLB Matt Judon: $15.6M/year (29 years old)
    OLB Melvin Ingram: $11.4M/year (32 years old)
    OLB Shaquil Barrett: $19.7M/year (28 years old)
    OLB Lavonte David: $12.7M/year (32 years old)
    OLB Haason Reddick: $11.6M/year (27 years old)

    Andrew Van Ginkel and Shaq Lawson are under contract for 2021 @ WLB
    Kyle Van Noy and Sam Eguavoen are under contract for 2021 @ SLB
    There’s no need to overpay via FA to get an OLB at the above going rates. We need a pass-rushing DE on a four-man front (nickel and dime packages) more than anything else on Defense, IMO.

    • mf13ss says:

      I just did the same thing for DEs, and I’d say it’s better to keep in healthy cap shape, and DRAFT our own under solid coaching with Coach Flores.

      Yes, we could really use a great DE in the 2021 Draft.

    • steveccnv says:

      With the cap going down, who knows what any team is willing to pay. The NFPA wants agents to collude amongst themselves, so teams can’t collude effectively.

      We don’t need one of these high salaried old LBs

  39. mf13ss says:

    Pre-FA and pre-Draft, and as currently constituted, we Phins have the 7th easiest schedule in the NFL in ’21, vs a .477 winning percentage of ’20 opponents.

  40. The Flying Pig says:

    This is an interesting story about Ja’Marr Chase being clocked at 4.40 at LSU even though he was clocked much slower going back to high school


    I seriously wish there was a combine this year

    I know sometimes it’s overrated, but this is one of those times when Chase’s 40 time might make the difference in the type of WR we draft (if we are taking one early)

  41. The Flying Pig says:

  42. stangerx says:

    Learned a guy I really liked died today. First knew him in 1996 and up until like 7 years ago. Was a great dude to have a beer with. Funny what comes up after the fact — I would have said he was 70, but nah he was 75. Person who called me explains, “he always said he was 5 years younger than he was.” We all got our quirks….. and loved the guy.

  43. New Age says:


    The things that finally carried me into the Chase camp was his age when he exploded on the scene and stealing the limelight from guys like Jefferson and Marshall. Elite prospect.

  44. pheloniusphish says:

    Sorry to hear that Stanger.

  45. pheloniusphish says:

    Fansided appears to be populated by dopes. Their 7 round draft has Miami taking Sewell at 3 and Pitts at 18. Why would anyone think Miami would waste a pick on. TE after their current TE room set club records last year? And they desperately need WR? And more defense? I also don’t see them taking Sewell after investing so much last year in the OL.

    • mf13ss says:

      +100000 on your use of the word “dopes”!
      Been using that online for sometime, and hoping it gains traction!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah I don’t see us drafting a TE high in the draft. Our group was really productive last year, even under Gailey who doesn’t utilize TEs according to some people. 😉

  46. Krishna says:

    Thanks again, Mike E.

    If we could get a nice one in the draft that upgrades what we have, of course. Not a need position, considering all the holes we still have.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t really think we have a lot of holes. We just need to upgrade some positions and hopefully find a few special talents. We already have a bunch of good players.

      • Krishna says:

        We still have holes….bunch of good players doesn’t fill the holes.

      • Krishna says:

        Defense has holes, offense has more holes. Are you serious?

      • Krishna says:

        How do you define bunch on a football team? 4-5 is a bunch for me. We need at least 4-5 positions to upgrade. That’s a bunch, imo! Out of 22?

  47. CavalierKong says:

    With the NFL moving closer to adding a 17th game, it appears there’s now some clarity on the scheduling formula that will determine what the added games will look like this season.

    For the Miami Dolphins, it’s looking like that will equate to a home game against the New York Giants at Hard Rock Stadium.

    NBC Sports’ Peter King laid out the scenarios for the 17-game season in his weekly Football Morning in America column. According to King, the AFC East will play the NFC East in 2021, with teams playing the corresponding team in the other division based on which place the teams finished in 2020.

    With the Dolphins finishing in second place in the AFC East (10-6) and the Giants (6-10) finishing in second place in the NFC East, they will face each other when the NFL officially schedules the extra game in conjunction with the latest collective bargaining agreement.


    So we play the AFC South, NFC South, and the Giants in a home game.

    • New Age says:

      I told some Boys fans that the AFCE made out like bandits with that schedule. 4 free wins even one for the Jets. How nice of the NFL.

  48. mf13ss says:

    Krishna, from 8:13 PM – 8:20 PM, I saw you accelerate from a decent question, to going into attack mode, regarding your responses to Tim. Brother, slow your roll, man.

    You’re respected, Krishna.

  49. Tim Knight says:

    Krishna, holes mean you don’t have any quality players at positions. We need some special players now – new additions and guys already on the team taking the next step. Example

    Where do you think we have “holes”?

    • Krishna says:

      Oh my….to slow roll it.

      Positions of need in no particular order:


      First two have to do with front 7 improvement. We are terrible here.

      Offense, we need OL, RB, WR or two.

      My bunch should be coorected to 4-6. Sorry.

  50. manitobafinfan says:

    One of the Guys mocking on NFLN has Pitts going to the Eagles which I also found odd, as they have Ertz and JoeDirt at TE and not much at WR… are they thinking Pitts is gonna be a WR in NFL ??

  51. manitobafinfan says:

    Stanger: sorry about your friend. It sux to lose them

  52. pheloniusphish says:

    Canucks checking in.

  53. Tim Knight says:

    Holes and elite are two different things. I said we need more special, but holes means you don’t have anyone who should be a starter or on an NFL roster at positions. The proper word is upgrades. 😉

  54. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – Sorry about your friend

  55. New Age says:


    Missed it earlier but sorry for your loss. Good friends are rare.

  56. Tim Knight says:

    Let me ask all of you, what position needs a player we don’t have? That doesn’t mean we can’t get better. But where is an obvious void/hole that is a must have?

  57. pheloniusphish says:

    Ape…Strike Back is better than Jack Ryan. And I like Jack Ryan. It’s like Lay’s Potato Chips….you can’t watch just one.

  58. Krishna says:

    Tim Knight, not sure why you think we’re only an inch from playoff’s and greatness. Did you watch the last game of the season?
    Do you remember the “team” we put on the field that day?

    I also don’t know why if i disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment as somehow, i’m aggressive.

    Any team can put players on the field. All you need to do is upgrade?

    Our front 7 couldn’t stop any team that wanted to run the ball. We never had a 4 man rush that put pressure on the QB. Holes v upgrades? This article points to a position we should try and upgrade, not seeing holes. Front seven, I see at least 2 to 3 holes.

    On offense, we couldn’t run the ball. No OL push, QB always under pressure, just not good enough up front. We can settle for upgrades, but i think we have at least 1 -2 holes on the line.

    And/or RB position that stays on the field for 3 downs, can run between the tackles, block, and catch the ball. RB position is a hole, not an upgrade, imo. Who is our RB, truly, I can’t remember.

    WR group? 1-2 holes. When some on this board think/believe the position group should be turned over. I would call that holes, not upgrades.

    I’m glad we didn’t make the playoffs. We didn’t deserve to be there and saying we were an inch away is folly-thought. We were miles away from representing as a playoff team, imo.

    Too many holes….

  59. Mike E. says:

    Toba – Supposedly the Eagles and Ertz are parting ways. They’re looking for another dynamic TE to pair with Goedert.

  60. Mike E. says:

    M – I do think Tom MacDonald is in line with Phelon’s guy. I share many of those beliefs.

  61. bailbondmike says:

    Piggy, that is interesting about Chase’s 40 time. I was hearing the same thing about Bateman’s 40 time. Bateman is considered possibly the slowest of the top 10 WR’s in the draft. Now, I hear he is posting low 4.4’s and possibly sub 4.4. I just don’t see that kind of speed on tape. If he does possess that kind of speed with all his other gifts, then he could be a top 15 guy. Pro days start this Friday so we will see.

  62. sb7mvp says:

    Our entire team is basically filled with overachievers. There are very few starting spots on this roster that couldn’t use an upgrade.

    Front 7
    Tua needs to take that next step or he’ll be replaceable too.
    We need to continue to invest in our secondary as well. It’s not immediate, but we are far from stable.

    • Mike E. says:

      I think you have to let the guys on the O-line play. I like what Kindley and Hunt bring to the table. Jackson is young and needs to fill out more and he will also keep getting better. Not sure what we do with center if we draft someone or if maybe they consider spending there in FA. WR, RB absolutely require upgrades. We need another LB with Baker but I like our front 3 with Wilkins, Davis and Ogbah. Maybe Van Ginkel is for real?

      • Tim Knight says:

        Right, not many holes, we need some upgrades. People act like we have nothing and it’s weird.

    • Tim Knight says:

      No team in the league is set at every position. It’s about what do you need to win games. We’re not that far off. And we have huge draft capital coming up.

  63. bailbondmike says:

    M13, If we do do look at a DE for a 4 man front, who would you be looking at. I think they tried to do that last year with the drafting of Jason Strowbridge and the UDFA signing of Nick Coe.

    For a 4 man front I am thinking the bigger/athletic DE’s in the draft. One who would have to be taken probably at #18 is Kwitty Paye, 6’4 277. Don’t know much about him but I think he is almost strictly a hand in dirt DE on a 4 man front and not sure what versatility he would offer us.

    One I like as a 4-3 DE is Carlos Basham, 6’3 281. IMO he would be worth a late second or early 3rd. Again, he may also be strictly a 4-3 DE like Paye.

  64. bailbondmike says:

    With a full off season and TC, I am excited to see how much last years rookies take on that next step. Especially the OLB/Edge defender we stole from Bellicheat in signing the undrafted guys. Remember Tyshun Render? He actually got brought up from the PS a time or 2 last year I think.

  65. bailbondmike says:

    This blog is about safeties. I did not realize we had 7 safeties on the roster right now.

    • bailbondmike says:

      Never mind, the Dolphins still show Kavon Frazier on the roster but he is an UFA. So, I guess we have 6 right now.

      They still show all our free agents still on the roster. Why do they do that?

  66. bailbondmike says:

    So we have Rowe, McCain, Jones and Fejedelem as our most used safeties. Then we have Nate Holley who appeared in a couple games and Brian Cole who did not play in any regular season games.

    I think they try to add better depth in the draft but where is the real question for me. I think it will be later like 4th or later. Though, if someone they like falls a bit, I would not be all surprised if they take that guy at #50 or with our 3rd round pick.

    I think you will just about be able to find a good versatile safety prospect in almost every round of this draft.

    • steveccnv says:

      I can see McCain getting cut, if we want to be real players in FA at any position, but the group we have now + a draftee is fine.

    • bailbondmike says:

      Actually, let me retract that last sentence. As I am looking guys up, many of the mid to late round safeties I liked are returning to school for one more season lie Quentin Lake. So, if we want a decent prospect, we might have to take one by round 4.

  67. steveccnv says:

    Kiper says, we may trade back and take Waddle, then at 18 take Owusu, but if we want Najee we may trade again, because he may not be there at 36.

    I’m OK with a lot of different scenarios, either Penei at 3 or trade down for top 3 WR. At 18 want an LB Parsons, Owusu or Collins. Not sure I like the trade down at 18.

    Trading 3 to 10 might get us Waddle, 2022 1st and a 2nd this year. I’d be all over that, but if Waddle was gone I might even try to trade again.

  68. steveccnv says:


    Sounds ridiculous to be talking about the 53, but he has rookie or FA inserted in spots, so it’s actually a good read.

    Suggests Bobby go back to nickel, Wilson on roster, Bowden off, Godchaux on

  69. steveccnv says:

    The cheats don’t have a 3rd rd pick, the NFL took it for filming the Bengals, but they’ll get a 3rd back as comp for Brady, and likely 2 4ths for Van Noy and Jamie Collins.

    Every year these Fers get great comp picks, but I believe that’s about to stop, as their roster is depleted.

  70. The Flying Pig says:

    Your daily dose of Chase

  71. The Flying Pig says:

    3: R1 P3 WR Ja’Marr Chase – LSU
    18: R1 P18 DL Christian Barmore – Alabama
    36: R2 P4 EDGE Joseph Ossai – Texas
    50: R2 P18 RB Travis Etienne – Clemson
    81: R3 P17 C Trey Hill – Georgia
    123: R4 P18 RB Stevie Scott III – Indiana
    202: R6 P16 S Christian Uphoff – Illinois State
    256: R7 P30 WR Jalen Camp – Georgia Tech

  72. steveccnv says:

    Looks like we’re going to cut Van Noy.

  73. steveccnv says:

    Wonder if Reddick is the target?

  74. The Flying Pig says:

    Makes no sense

  75. steveccnv says:

    KVN has been notified and sent out a disappointed response

  76. Rhino says:

    WTF with Van Noy??? That was a shocker. Waiting for info from either Van Noy or FO about what the reasoning behind this was.

  77. steveccnv says:

    KVN had his moments, but I think they want a more dynamic pass rusher

  78. stangerx says:

    Thanks the kind words about my friend Gerry’s passing. But he wasn’t a closest bud. Just someone really liked and saw 3-5 times per year for a couple decades. Hadn’t talked to him for like 4 years. Guess just wanted to put out his passing somewhere and talk about what a great dude he was. Spent some time thinking about him and some times we had last night.

  79. Rhino says:

    I hope the Fins aren’t doing a salary dump as move related to making a move for Watson.

  80. The Flying Pig says:

    I’m know capoligist
    But don’t you usually take a cap hit by releasing some one a year into their contract?

  81. steveccnv says:

    Cameron Wolfe thinks it puts AVG into a larger role. Maybe we just draft an LB and add him to the mix

  82. stangerx says:

    In case you were wondering about what happened to that 300 pound Warsaw Grouper. Never seen a fish that big filleted, but turned into two 70lb fillets. First part is cutting up and second is cooking.

  83. The Flying Pig says:

  84. The Flying Pig says:

    According to Jackson, they didn’t even try to restructure KVN

  85. Mike E. says:

    Van Noy seemed like the perfect team guy veteran every team wants. Strange to me that they’d let him go after 1 season. He took a thumb up the ass for the team, now you cut him? Heartless!

  86. stangerx says:

    “I am surprised and disappointed in their decision. As a captain, I gave my all to the team. I fought through a painful injury during the season, including spending a night in the hospital after a game. I was brought there to be a leader and I know my teammates looked up to and respected me. I am looking forward to making an impact on my next team, on and off the field.”
    — Kyle Van Noy…. NFL is a tough business

  87. pheloniusphish says:

    At least they let him go early. He won’t be out of work long.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Some assholes make players wait until the back end of free agency

      The timing is fine

      It’s just kind of a shock

    • stangerx says:

      All about the money, but guess in a salary cap world it has to be….. whether the Phins are right about Van Noy or not. Be interesting to see his next contract.

      • steveccnv says:

        I don’t think it has anything to do with money. You could say to KVN we want you to play for the vet min, but AVG is starting.

        Out of respect they want him to move on, for a better opportunity, that he deserves.

        The team is going in a different direction and he’s not part of that.

      • stangerx says:

        How in the NFL can a cut like this not have to do with money? Clearly Van Noy will play for another team at some price.

  88. pheloniusphish says:

    I think they just didn’t see him as that much money’s worth of an upgrade over Van Ginkle.

  89. pheloniusphish says:

    And wasn’t he the second oldest guy on the team?

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Yeah, he turns 30 this month. Not like he was going to get any better.

      • stangerx says:

        Seems as an edge that still gives you 2-3 years if you are good. I’m back to the money. I’m more with your other comment on Van Ginkle showing it made him being one of the 3 highest paid guys on the team make no sense.

    • Rhino says:

      Took a look, and you are correct. 29 along with Hurns and Jesse Davis they are ‘tied’ for 2nd oldest behind Fitzpatrick.

  90. mf13ss says:

    Cutting KVN makes no sense to me… unless (see Rhino’s 1:49 PM comment above)…

    • steveccnv says:

      You never know, but I be pissed, if that were the case

    • mf13ss says:

      That’s all I’ve got. KVN was a STUD for us, didn’t cost us THAT much, was a team captain, isn’t really that old (relatively speaking), and is a great guy off the field. That even HE’S shocked is telling.

      • mf13ss says:

        In other words, it’s not like we’re trying to get better at SLB by cutting KVN. We’re making even MORE cap space (which we already had a lot of) to bring somebody in who will eat a LOT of cap space.

        Only other thing I can think of would be this… KVN got in trouble off the field and we’re trying to get ahead of the breaking news, but that’s not in KVN’s nature to get in trouble. And I’d think Coach Flores would stand by KVN.

  91. steveccnv says:

    According to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, Miami hopes to find a trade partner for Van Noy, but he will eventually be released if no deal materializes.

    Per ESPN’s Cameron Wolfe, the Dolphins will save $9.75 million against the cap in 2021 if they release him.

  92. steveccnv says:

    Our FO is more stealth, than any other team, except maybe the cheats. They keep us all guessing.

    Same on the field, as trick plays run wild

    • steveccnv says:

      When you have draft capital you have the flexibility to do all the whackjob things other teams only dream of.

      Trade down from 3 and keep it going

  93. mf13ss says:

    Welp, with KVN getting released (or traded), I’m looking at Zaven Collins as his replacement in the Draft.

  94. steveccnv says:

    From Over the Cap, other sites aren’t reporting it correctly

    Contract Notes
    Kyle Van Noy signed a four year, $51 million contract with the Dolphins. $15 million is fully guaranteed at signing including a $5.5 million signing bonus. Another $15 million is guaranteed for injury. If Van Noy is on the roster on the 5th day of the 2021 league year he $12.5 million salary will become guaranteed. If on the roster on the 5th day of the 2022 league year another $2.5 million of salary is guaranteed.

    • stangerx says:

      Sorta makes you wonder if they have Dawn Aponte on a consulting deal. We signed him to a very large contract last year and now get close to $10 mil on the cut. Assume his agent knew that could happen.

  95. CavalierKong says:

    Wow, pretty surprising move on Van Noy. We just signed him to a big 4 yr deal to be our defensive captain and going into the 2nd year we move on? Maybe they anticipate giving Van Ginkel more time which makes Van Noy superfluous. Or maybe they don’t wan to many “vans” on the team, lol.

    After overachieving 2 years in a row, I’m definitely not questioning the way we’re operating. As long as we see results all is good, but if we take a step backward this year, it’s going to be hard not to start wondering at the turnover of key players and coaches.

  96. mf13ss says:

    Spotrac has already updated after the KVN release/trade: we’re now sitting at $37,190,422 under the cap. That is outrageously incredible.

    One does not build a successful team by signing a bunch of stud FAs: we’ve learned that lesson before, and we saw how badly it destroyed the stej. Brian Flores knows this, too, coming from the AFC East rival Patsies*.

    We’re creating space for perhaps ONE big name FA, with enough cap space to re-sign our own next season. I’m sorry, but it SCREAMS Deshaun Watson to me. I hope I’m wrong.

    • steveccnv says:

      Yeah it screams Watson, but only in the cap space available and I highly doubt they trade for him, and keep his current contract. I’m thinking of a restructure that gives us some cap savings this year.

      That’s if you believe Houston will actually trade him and his 20m deadcap.

      Just say no, FU Watson

  97. mf13ss says:

    But Haason has a potential going rate at just under a $1M of what KVN was making, and is not yet proven to be reliable/consistent. KVN is reliable/consistent.

    Risk/reward of Haason Reddick becoming perhaps the 3rd most expensive man on our team per year? Dangerous proposition. These are the mistakes we’ve made in the past.

    • mf13ss says:

      And REMEMBER… Haason feasted on the G-Men last year in a lucky mismatch game situation, where he had 5 sacks in one game.

      • mf13ss says:

        And FURTHER remember what Steve wisely stated yesterday: JJ Watt was cut, so he could sign with whatever team. Haason doesn’t become a FA until the start of the new league year. Cardinals could still re-sign Haason.

      • mf13ss says:

        Conclusion: we didn’t suddenly cut KVN to go after Haason Reddick… who may never become available to us. That would be outright foolishness. We’re making cap space for somebody else… not somebody who ‘might’ hit FA, like a Haason Reddick or a Bud Dupree…

  98. steveccnv says:

    Whatever the FO has up their sleeve I bet none of the U75s have mentioned it yet

  99. steveccnv says:

    If you have a vet and his replacement fits more with the direction you want to go, you get rid of him, if it also saves cap space even better, but it doesn’t mean you made the transaction, because of money.

    I think they went over the tape and feel AVG needs to be on the field more

    • stangerx says:

      Van Ginkel is making under a mil next season. How could that not be a factor? Least one factor.

      • mf13ss says:

        Yet, we were $27M UNDER THE CAP with KVN with us this season. If I recall correctly, that had already ranked us in the top-5 teams under the cap. Was it really that necessary to cut KVN? Strange, is it not?

        Screams to me that we’re creating even more cap space to land Deshaun Watson. I’m just following the money, nothing more.

      • stangerx says:

        Could be Watson cap room, but could also just be they thought Van Noy too pricey given the other option they have. Have a one-on-one at the same position as an option though as a first choice.

    • mf13ss says:

      Being we’re rarely in our base 3-4 D, that would make ‘some’ sense, too. AVG is a rising star in this league and he should be seeing the field more often in nickel and dime sits.

      See my post below… that could make sense, too.

  100. mf13ss says:

    I heard one take on Twitter, and I’ll never claim another’s thought as my own. Dude said that perhaps we’ve vetted Micah Parsons and his situation, and we may be taking him @ R1P3. That would make sense to me, IF we’ve actually vetted Micah.

    Just another thought to be added as to why we may have cut KVN.

    • stangerx says:

      Parsons is not going at #3, but in this draft the chances of going edge are very much increased if don’t get that in FA.

      • mf13ss says:

        I guess my point is that we’re likely going to pay MORE via FA than it would have been to just keep KVN. Thus, we’re highly likely to take an EDGE guy fairly early in the Draft.

      • mf13ss says:

        Problem: if we are in fact trying to land Deshaun Watson, much of our draft capital will be lost in exchange for him. And that’s exactly why I do NOT want to trade for Deshaun.

      • mf13ss says:

        Conclusion: there was no reason to cut KVN other than to create more cap space. For who… for what?

      • stangerx says:

        If they are willing to pay the price for Watson then they will and then make it work. Highly doubt their off season moves will be with that in mind. Good chance he stays in Houston and best bet he does not end up here if he goes up for bid.

  101. stangerx says:

    And M13 — they don’t need cap space. If Phins are willing to pony up to win the Watson sweepstakes, all they have to do is ask Watson to re-do his contract. Not for less money, just a different structure.

  102. stangerx says:

    “Davon would love to come back and the Dolphins would like for him to come back. The question is can we make it work economically because the Dolphins have invested in three other defensive tackles recently. Davon is one of the most talented defensive tackles, I believe, and the Dolphins would have to be able to compensate him in that capacity. I’m not sure that they will, given the talent they have on the team. We’ll see if the Dolphins are able to step up and be competitive with other teams that may not have as much talent at the defensive tackle position.”
    — Drew Rosenhaus…. sounds like Davon Godchaux is gone.

    • D says:

      I figured he would be. Not that I don’t think he is pretty good but Wilkins, Davis and add a guy like Barmore and you are better and all three roughly the same price as it’s possible Godchaux gets in FA.

      • stangerx says:

        Good to see you D…. been absent for a bit. Where not with you is don’t think they will go big to replace. Maybe 4th or 5th round for next guy in.

  103. D says:

    Collins is a better prospect than Parsons. I don’t see the love for Parsons. He’s good but I don’t see him as worth 3 with Collins also available.

  104. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    March 2, 2021 at 4:57 pm
    And M13 — they don’t need cap space. If Phins are willing to pony up to win the Watson sweepstakes, all they have to do is ask Watson to re-do his contract. Not for less money, just a different structure.
    Then why cut KVN? In case you hadn’t noticed, he quickly became a fan favorite, he’s a leader on and off the field, he’s been stellar on the field for us, he’s a Captain (in his first year with us), and even KVN himself was blindsided by this move. What’s more, he’s a favorite of Coach Flores.

    It doesn’t make sense, as in, any way one looks at it. All it did was free-up even MORE cap space, while putting another hole in our Defense.

  105. manitobafinfan says:

    1st thoughts on KVN news:
    1, no biggie he was hurt bad in last game
    2, oh fuck that was Roberts
    3, that’s weird
    4 must be drafting Parsons

  106. wyoming85 says:

    Van Noy:

    – 61.6 overall grade
    – 811 snaps
    – 31 total pressures
    – 60.4 run d grade
    – 27 stops

    Van Ginkel:

    – 79.3 overall grade
    – 479 snaps
    – 19 total pressures
    – 77.6 run d grade
    – 22 stops

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s easier to get a higher grade, when you play less snaps, even so I think they wanted to get AVG on the field more

  107. steveccnv says:

    These U75s are just that. What kind of a schmuck writes that KVN had a 30m guarantee in his contract, when the dead money is only 4.25m?

    Does anyone think he counted 25.75m against the 2020 cap?

    The second 15m in guaranteed money was, if he was on the team a few days into the league year.

    When it doesn’t make sense it isn’t true

    • steveccnv says:

      Found this, this morning to show how stupid some of these reporters really are.

      Dan Graziano
      A reminder about real NFL contract figures.

      Van Noy signed last year for what was described as 4 years, $51M with $30M guaranteed.

      In reality, $15M was fully guaranteed at signing. The other $15M was guaranteed only for injury.

      Van Noy gets cut after one year, $15M.

      • steveccnv says:

        Yesterday I read this same thing about the 15m injury guarantee and it made sense, the rest of the reports saying 30m was guaranteed didn’t.

        How was it possible for his dead money to be only 4.25m, if 30m really was guaranteed?

        U75s and logic don’t mix well

  108. New Age says:

    I really, really hate to see KVN go. He was a favorite and he did go all in. It may be a business but it feels like a dirty business sometimes. I feel for the guy.

    With that said, he didn’t have the best of years. The Cincy game was by far his best. He got half his sacks, half his tackles for loss, and a third of his QB hits. That’s a lot of his production in one game. He also completely disappeared the last three games of the season.

    It still sucks but I have faith in them to find the next AVG.

  109. Tim Knight says:

    I’m surprised with the release of Van Noy. Thought he’d be here at least another year. The vet who knows how to play multiple on defense and pass it onto the young players especially the LBs. I think re-signing Jerome Baker to a long term deal might be part of this. He had a very good year and is one of the fastest players on our defense, definitely the fastest front 7 player. He’s also a tackling machine.

    Not sure this is about Watson or Haason etc. But we’ll see.

  110. Krishna says:

    LOL…KVN is released “while putting another hole in our Defense” (mf13ss quote), overachieving team by underwhelming talent, upgrades needed everywhere……

    Coaching and culture change began the rebuild. Stay the course.

    I hope we are a strong, solid, young team by the end of this year with few holes. Lol!

  111. Mike E. says:

    I just wonder how the guys on the team react to this. I thought he was one of the good guys, team captain and leader. Cut a guy like that and players sometimes don’t take it well. I don’t think Haason Reddick is coming here. It seems like too much of a lateral move for the team, not an upgrade and the salary will be relatively close. Not to say I don’t like Reddick, I wanted him in that draft but it would be an odd move. Probably have our eye on a couple of guys in this draft that they like better. AVG played the weak side spot and Van Noy played the strong side. Van Ginkel also played a lot less snaps than Van Noy and put up similar production, but we still need to fill that spot, or hole as Krishna puts it. 🙂

    • steveccnv says:

      A hole is like having a Colonblow at RT, or you could even say Needham at Nickel, or at C with Karras an FA.

      RB we need a top line starter, but I wouldn’t call the guys we currently have a hole.

      WR we could use another starting type guy, but again not a hole. With Wilson, Williams and Hurns back we have a good not great group. Injuries and covid opt out did this group in last year.

      No holes on OL or TE.

      DL we have 3 quality guys without Godchaux.

      LB with KVN, Roberts and Biegel seemingly gone I’d say we have a hole here.

      Secondary we have guys, but might want to upgrade at S.

      I see C and LB as th only true holes, but I don’t think there’s a team in the league that has less. It’s the FA era, just the way it goes with expiring contracts.

      I expect to see an LB taken in FA or resign Biegel, then one drafted by the 2nd round. At C I also expect we’ll have it taken care of in FA, likely a resign of Karras, unless they make a splash with Lindley.

      37M over the cap, assuming 180m cap, which I don’t think will be the number says we’ll be players again this year.

      League working on a new TV deal will likely bring up our cap number to 50m, if they can pull it off.

      Bobby moving back to Nickel and Jones into starting S would go along way to tightening up the back end, but I don’t see that happening. Baby might even get cut.

      I can’t believe we’re even talking about our holes, after the mess we’ve had on the field the prior 20 years.

  112. sb7mvp says:

    Moving on from KVN has to be the only really head scratching move this regime has made so I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, for a guy like KVN, it’s not about the stats. The guy is a catalyst. He instantly makes everyone on the team better by his presence. This does not seem like a step forward for the team.

    • steveccnv says:

      I don’t think he does make everyone better. Most of the time it was where is he, then when the team was going good he’d make a play.

      Ray Lewis made that play or speech to get his guys going

  113. steveccnv says:

    I’m as shocked as anyone about KVN, but I can see what makes Flores a great coach, he doesn’t settle

  114. steveccnv says:

    Kadarius Toney, just say no.

    Watched a lot of Gator football, often without Pitts on the field. Their O looked bad early way too often, where was Tony, when he should’ve been the next man up?

    Many games at some point he’d get it going, but it seemed far too often after the team got rolling and not as a result of him stepping up.

  115. steveccnv says:

    Gregory Rousseau is an interesting guy, starting to think maybe he’s the guy at 18, instead of an LB.

    The last 2 years we seemed to be plug and play at LB without missing a beat, maybe a magical trait of Flores, given how he likes to make his players better by keeping the O guessing.

    Rousseau is that talent, that, when the game is on the line and everyone knows the O is going to pass he can pin his ears back and get after the QB. Like a Chris Jones or those 2 LBs for Tampa or even JPP.

    I’d love to have Collins or Owusu at 18, but only if Rousseau is gone.

    Any of the 3 will do, maybe Collins slides to 36, wouldn’t Rousseau and Collins be sweet at 18 and 36, after a WR or Penei with our 1st pick?

  116. steveccnv says:

    It’s pretty hard to screw up this draft, with 4 picks in the top 2 rounds and lots of guys out there at our positions of want

  117. steveccnv says:

    PICK 8
    PICK 39

    PICK 3

    We selected Penei in this Fansided mock at 8. I’d be all in on this trade situation.

    Don’t think it’s likely, but it’s easy to see something close to this happening and why a trade down to a needy team makes more sense, than staying at 3

    • steveccnv says:

      Then at 18 – Waddle, 28 Najee giving up 39, 50 and 114 to Saints, Collins at 36.

      Don’t like the trade up, but taking these 4 players would be a dream draft.

  118. bailbondmike says:

    Ok, here is my Post KVN Release Rockphin Trady Pants Draft!

    Dolphins Received #6, R1 2022, R2 2022, #37, #70, #84
    Eagles Received #3
    Dolphins Received 9, R1 2022, R2 2022, #40, #71
    Broncos Received #6
    Dolphins Received #24, R1 2022, R2 2022, #55, #87
    Steelers Received #18

    #9 DeVonta Smith WR • Alabama
    #24 Zaven Collins LB • Tulsa
    #36 Kadarius Toney WR • Florida
    #37 Wyatt Davis G • Ohio State
    #40 Carlos Basham Jr. ED • Wake Forest
    #50 Javonte Williams HB • North Carolina
    #55 Richie Grant S • UCF
    #70 Najee Harris HB • Alabama
    #71 Creed Humphrey C • Oklahoma
    #81 Jay Tufele DI • USC
    #84 Dayo Odeyingbo ED • Vanderbilt
    #87 Brevin Jordan TE • Miami (FL)
    #123 Cameron McGrone LB • Michigan
    #202 Marquez Stevenson WR • Houston
    #208 Ian Book QB • Notre Dame
    Overall Draft Grade A+

    Man, PFF let me ass rape those teams for picks and I am not an ass rape kind of guy. lol

    12 picks in first 3 rounds!!

    • bailbondmike says:

      Now, we have 4 2022 fist round picks and 4 2022 second round picks.

      Post draft:
      Would you trade Tua and 2 2022 firsts and 2 2022 seconds for Watson?
      Would you keep Tua for backup and trade 3 2022 firsts and 1 2022 second for Watson?

      • bailbondmike says:

        First trade scenario we would have all draft picks above, Watson as our QB, and 2 picks in first and second rounds in 2022.

        Second trade scenario we would have all draft picks above, Watson as our QB with Tua as backup, a 2022 first and 3 2022 second round picks.

      • steveccnv says:

        Holy shit Batman, that’s a lot of picks. Again we all know it’s not likely, but the possibilities are endless once you start trading down, just say YES to trading down

    • bailbondmike says:

      Steve, if you don’t like Toney at #36 then cut and paste WR Terrace Marshall there. He was also available.

      • steveccnv says:

        I don’t hate Tony, he could still pan out, just not before 50, but with all those other picks in the 2nd how can anyone complain?

      • steveccnv says:

        Also taking Smith at 9 lessons the risk with Tony, because he wouldn’t have to produce right away

  119. steveccnv says:

    First I’m hearing of rumors about both Bobby and Rowe being cap casualties, but if it happens we’d save 11.6 and would need to add one in FA and/or draft.

    I don’t like this big of a tweak, but if Flores makes the move he must have something in mind as a replacement, other than just hoping an S falls to us.

  120. steveccnv says:

    I keep reading Van Noy was a cap casualty, but I don’t agree, unless like was mentioned Watson was coming.

    If they just wanted to go in another direction, then I don’t see the money being an issue, because what he was paid matches his play.

    Replacing him with an FA, that is a playmaker, like Dupree makes sense, but again that’s not a cap casualty, it’s just going in a different direction.

  121. steveccnv says:

    AVG has the most to gain, and likely will be given the first crack at replacing KVN, but if we’ve learned anything from Flores, it’s that there will be competition for him. Biegel is looking more and more like a resign

  122. stangerx says:

    So whether you like the Van Noy cut or not, it both creates a need and gives us money to fill it (or to fill another position and take an edge in the draft).

    We just became players in FA. Before was thinking we had enough for a few middle to good signings…. now we could actually take a stud if willing to go light in other areas. My personal choice remains to grab a real good C, but we can sign a big name edge, WR or RB. All of a sudden say Aaron Jones is looking more likely.

    • steveccnv says:

      The FO has us all guessing/speculating, and not sure how anyone can like or dislike the KVN release until they know what the reacement is or what they have up their sleeve.

      Dupree would surely be an upgrade. He made Pitts D, when teamed with Watt a dynamic passrush. We saw how the Steelers crumbled, after he was out. It affected the entire team.

    • stangerx says:

      A guy like Dupree becomes possible and so does pretty much everyone else you want to name. But only possible. Might just mean more guys instead of a player with biggest price tag.

      • steveccnv says:

        KVN isn’t a typical cap casualty, nor do I even believe he is one.

        His play was close to his salary, so why release him? You’ve got a replacement in house? Maybe, but this leaves us thin at LB.

        They must have some answer, but the reason why he’s being cut now is, because his 15m in guarantees become fully guaranteed 5 days into the league year.

        Is it injury history? Doesn’t seem like it. Half his sacks in 1 game leaving only 3 in 15 games Doesn’t say consistency.

        Maybe they feel they don’t need great LBs, just pretty hood ones.

        Maybe his style of play, no quick twitch, doesn’t fit.

        Maybe there’s several LBs in the draft, that can take his place, with more upside

  123. stangerx says:

    “I like Mac Jones too. I like Mac Jones…just my preference. Both of them are great quarterbacks, but I love Mac. He was a guy that I came in with from Day 1 when we were on the third team together and we worked our way up.”
    — Jaylen Waddle.on Tua or Mac Jones.

    Makes you think he is more worried about Jones’ draft chances than his.

  124. stangerx says:

    Odds on where Watson lands if he gets traded from SportsBetting.com.

    Miami Dolphins +250
    Denver Broncos +300
    New York Jets +300
    Carolina Panthers +600
    Chicago Bears +1200
    Washington Football Team +1200
    Philadelphia Eagles +1200
    San Francisco 49ers +1500

  125. son of a son of a shula says:

    Happy Birthday Tuanigamuolepola Tagovailoa

    • stangerx says:

      Wonder if Waddle and Smith will be hanging with him…… if Mac Jones ain’t busy am sure they will. 🙂

  126. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t think they thought this one through

  127. stangerx says:

    WTF is all I can think of. Dude could get laid any time he wanted.
    A San Diego County judge sentenced former NFL tight end Kellen Winslow II to 14 years in prison Wednesday for multiple rapes and sexual offenses committed against five women in Southern California.

    The sentence was the maximum allowed under a plea arrangement Winslow agreed to in February. Winslow was convicted of forcible rape, rape of an unconscious person, assault with intent to commit rape, indecent exposure and lewd conduct in public.

  128. mf13ss says:

  129. The Flying Pig says:

  130. Krishna says:

    We’ve build upgrading for decades…lol. Because we have so many holes, lmao.

  131. Rockphin says:

    Man, PFF let me ass rape those teams for picks and I am not an ass rape kind of guy. lol

    12 picks in first 3 rounds!!

    Yeah, the drop from 6 to 9 was sandy ass rape
    the drop from 18 to 24 is pure impossible They treated each 1st round trade down with the same value (futre 1 & 2 plus lower round picks) that value is only accurate in top 10.

    LOL at RTP usage.

  132. Rockphin says:

    Team Picks
    11: R1 P11 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    23: R1 P23 RB Najee Harris – Alabama
    34: R2 P2 DL Gregory Rousseau – Miami
    36: R2 P4 WR Rashod Bateman – Minnesota
    50: R2 P18 S Richie Grant – UCF
    76: R3 P12 C Creed Humphrey – Oklahoma
    81: R3 P17 WR Tutu Atwell – Louisville
    123: R4 P18 S Andre Cisco – Syracuse
    198: R6 P12 FB Ben Mason – Michigan
    202: R6 P16 OT Brenden Jaimes – Nebraska
    256: R7 P30 G Tristen Hoge – BYU
    Trade Partner: New York Giants
    Round 1 Pick 3
    Round 1 Pick 11
    Future Round 1 Pick
    Round 3 Pick 12
    Round 6 Pick 12
    Trade Partner: New York Jets
    Round 1 Pick 18
    Round 2 Pick 2
    Round 1 Pick 23

    Anyone have Ross’ e-mail address? I need to get my Resume in front of him.

  133. steveccnv says:

    Chris Simms has Zach Wilson rated ahead of Trevor. I don’t see it, what do you guys think?

    He had great numbers, but because they’re independent they played a lot of shitty teams. Boise State and Houston are the only, what I’d call div 1 teams and Houston stunk.

  134. mf13ss says:

    To Pig’s tweet above regarding Najee Harris via Jim Nagy… I’ve been saying, if we want Najee, we’ve got to pick him before the Stealers* get on the clock @ R1P24.

  135. mf13ss says:

    Krishna says:
    March 3, 2021 at 6:10 am
    LOL…KVN is released “while putting another hole in our Defense” (mf13ss quote), overachieving team by underwhelming talent, upgrades needed everywhere……
    Not sure what this means, to be honest! I know there was some convo about ‘holes vs upgrades’… or something to that effect the other day.

    The way I see it, cutting (or perhaps a trading) of KVN is an unnecessary act… being he’s a pro on-and-off the field. In that sense, yes, we created a void (or a “hole”) in terms of leadership/mentorship/Captainship… not to mention his play on the field: he was hurt for most of last year, but played through it, and changed several games to help us win.

    I sometimes feel I’m taken the wrong way. I’ll try to do better in the future.

  136. mf13ss says:

  137. Tim Knight says:

    At the end of the day whatever moves we make; releases, FA signings and draft, it’s about the 2021 team on the field. This was the year I always felt would be the makeup of the team moving forward. We shall see.

    • mf13ss says:

      You, sir, are the eternal optimist regarding our Phins! And IMO, there’s nothing wrong with that. 😉

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s not really optimistic, it’s more realistic. We as fans have to rely on who is running the team. This is a big year for Grier and Flores. We were 10-6 last year with a new influx of players. Where do we go from here? Not making the playoffs in 2021 would be a negative. There’s no other way around that. You don’t have 4-5 years anymore.

  138. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy posted about Javonte Williams from NC. I like this guy as a RB. He’s reminds me of Chubb at 5-10 220. He’s hard to get down and has enough speed to gain big yards if you don’t get him down. Then Gaskin and Ahmed are nice complements. I like Najee Harris a lot but Williams is my next favorite. We need a bigger back.

    • steveccnv says:

      All personal fouls was something I said should be reviewable several years ago, but I don’t like it now, see PI review, it also gives the ref another out to determine the outcome of a game

  139. pheloniusphish says:

    From the SS:

    Starting linebacker Jerome Baker had the fourth-most snaps defensively (868) for Miami. He finished with seven sacks, seven tackles for loss, 11 quarterback hits, two forced fumbles, three pass deflections, 112 total tackles.

    Van Noy was sixth with 811, finishing with six sacks, 10 tackles for loss, 10 quarterback hits, two forced fumbles, six pass deflections, 69 total tackles.

    Van Ginkel had nearly half at 480 on defense, while leading Miami with 324 snaps on special teams. His defensive stats: 5.5 sacks, seven tackles for loss, 10 quarterback hits, three forced fumbles, four pass deflections, 48 total tackles.

    • Mike E. says:

      I mentioned basically the same thing yesterday about AVG. Still, AVG played weak side and KVN played strong side, so it’s not like AVG replaces KVN. We still have to find someone to replace him, but it does give more of an understanding about production and value.

      • steveccnv says:

        The team never said AVG will replace him, the media assumed that. If we’ve learned anything it’s that we don’t know know anything about their plans until it happens.

    • steveccnv says:

      Everything isn’t about stats, Flores has his own metrics, that he uses to evaluate players.

      The U75s were quick to point out areas of concern after the Buffalo blowout, but I saw the Rams pressure the he’ll out of Allen and he was still able to win on the final drive. Overcoming 3rd and 20+ 3 times

  140. Mike E. says:

    Right Steve – Media and some fans just jumped on that, but it’s not accurate. I’m sure they have plans to fill that spot now, whether it’s in FA or the draft.

    • steveccnv says:

      If last year was any indication, I’d say they’re planning on upgrading KVN, so not a cap casualty.

      We need more pressure on the QB, so my guess would be a dynamic full time pass rusher.

  141. steveccnv says:

    KVN is a Swiss army knife, but maybe more versatile than good

  142. The Flying Pig says:

    It’s all a ploy to draft Ossai

  143. The Flying Pig says:

    Post KVP waiver draft

    3: R1 P3 WR Ja’Marr Chase – LSU
    18: R1 P18 DL Christian Barmore – Alabama
    36: R2 P4 RB Najee Harris – Alabama
    50: R2 P18 LB Zaven Collins – Tulsa
    81: R3 P17 EDGE Quincy Roche – Miami
    123: R4 P18 WR Chatarius Atwell – Louisville
    202: R6 P16 C Trey Hill – Georgia
    256: R7 P30 RB Rakeem Boyd – Arkansas

  144. The Flying Pig says:

    They say Tutu runs a 4.27 40

    Bc he is undersized he might be available in day 3

  145. pheloniusphish says:

    Alright…Got my season tickets for this year. Let’s fest!

  146. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy likes him some Chase.

  147. Mike E. says:

    When does the NFL schedule come out? I want to book my stuff ASAP while prices are way low

    • stangerx says:

      May I think. You planning a Non-Fest game? Cause you know who gets you the lowest price around for that. 🙂

      • Mike E. says:

        No, I want to go to the Fest game, hoping we can choose a game quick in time to still get great pricing on flights etc . . .

      • stangerx says:

        I’m all for choosing the game quick, but is a group effort. Exactly where we sit will have to wait for the seat draft but hotels and flights only need the date.

  148. The Flying Pig says:

    Your daily Ja’Marr Chase image

  149. stangerx says:

    Had a thought last night that I know you guys are gonna hate… lol

    Take either Wilson or Fields in the draft and keep Tua. Could take a season and evaluate which one they want as the QB of the future even if the rook never hits the field (they’ll see him in practice). Once we have chosen THE one can trade the other away. Won’t be for what we paid but what we get back will still be valuable.

    Just think finding that QB important enough to spend some capital on it. And we hopefully won’t be this high up the draft again for a long while.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Not Fields. Can’t like those OSU QBs.

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s what the Chargers did with Brees and Rivers. It isn’t a horrible idea, but I’m ready to challenge now, and taking a QB would basically remove our 1st pick in the draft. I don’t really like Wilson or Fields, so…

      • stangerx says:

        If they don’t like the QB they could take…. yeah that would be the end of that option.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Then there is the old saying if you have two QBs you don’t have one.

      • stangerx says:

        No doubt this would mean QB controversy from day one.

      • steveccnv says:

        Yeah that’s just some BS someone wrote to validate their POV. Did the 9ers not have one, when they had Montana and Young or the Packers with Favre and Rodgers or the Chargers with Brees and Rivers?

      • Tim Knight says:

        Steve, those were different scenarios with the proven vet QB and then the new guy. Tua is just coming off of his rookie season. It’s not the same.

      • stangerx says:

        Tim — but that Tua is not proven was sorta my point here. Wasn’t a great season. And Young, Rodgers and Rivers were unproven as rooks.

      • steveccnv says:

        I was talking about the saying, not our scenario.

        Is it like BLM, where it only applies when they see fit.

  150. pheloniusphish says:

    Colts and Ravens would be good non-division games for the fest. Maybe Carolina. Houston and Atlanta not so much.

  151. pheloniusphish says:

    I wouldn’t mind Agholor as a FA. Won’t be terribly expensive.

  152. pheloniusphish says:


  153. steveccnv says:

    We don’t need WRs, just to bring someone in to fill the position, we’ve already got 8 of those.

    We need a stud or speedster with hands.

  154. bailbondmike says:

    Piggy, Tutu is a burner but he is smaller than grantman weight wise. He is a definitely a playmaker though.

    I have always liked Marquez Stevenson as a later round WR. He is 6’0 190 and runs in the very low 4.3’s and said that he may be able to put up a sub 4.3 at the combine or pro day. He also had a very good week of practice at the senior bowl so his stock may have risen a bit.

    Dude can fly for his size:

  155. stangerx says:

    Big Ben coming back to the Steelers next year. Also sounds like they pushed a lot of his cap hit into 2020.

    • stangerx says:

      Sorry — pushed the hit into 2022

    • steveccnv says:

      M13 and I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and M said they could save 15m on the cap, by reworking his contract.

      It didn’t seem right, so I ran the numbers and it came out the same 15m.

    • steveccnv says:

      Shoddy reporting there Shefty.

      He could’ve said, 14m contract with 4m due this year and 10m next year. In other words 10m in dead money next year, when he’s no longer playing

  156. stangerx says:

    Not sure if the owners would accept, but this is a pretty cool idea.
    Per Pro Football Talk, the Ravens are reportedly planning to introduce an overtime overhaul, a plan with the catchy name of “Spot and Choose.”

    Spot and Choose. What does it mean? In short: one team picks where the ball’s spotted, and the other team gets to decide if it wants to play offense or defense. The coin flip would only determine which role each team plays — “Spot” or “Choose.”

    Team A will pick a SPOT on the field — say, the offense’s 35-yard line. Team B would then get to CHOOSE whether to play offense and try to drive 65 yards for a touchdown OR play defense and hold Team A from driving those 65 yards.

    • steveccnv says:

      The cheats in their heyday could say they want the ball spotted on the 10, and wouldn’t care, if you took the ball or played D, either way they have the advantage. The current way at least you have a 50 50 chance to win the coin toss.

  157. steveccnv says:

    Not enough info, but it sounds too removed from the real game.

    Is there only 1 possession? Or is that just how it starts?

    I don’t like teams that have unstoppable Os proposing new rules that benefit them

    • stangerx says:

      Think assume otherwise would be as current. Interesting twist, but my guess is teams would always pick btwn the 20 and 35. But maybe some high-powered O would go with the 10. That would be an in your face move.

      • steveccnv says:

        Not in your face, just a you can stop us move, so you might want to think about taking the ball.

  158. Tim Knight says:

    The saying is when you don’t have a QB you’re all in on and you have two or or three, you don’t have one. It’s not that complicated.

    Not sure what BLM has to do with anything. LOL

    • steveccnv says:

      Black lives only matter, when it’s white on black.

      If you have 2 QBs you don’t have one, unless you do.

      In both situations they want to choose when it applies, so at face value it means nothing

      • Tim Knight says:

        Okay wasn’t looking for a debate about it. I didn’t make it up and I’ve heard it from multiple football people for years. I happen to agree with it.

      • steveccnv says:

        We’ve all heard it. If they added the word yet, then I’d agree with it.

        If you have 2 QBs you don’t have one established yet, but that’s not how the saying went.

        Us taking Wilson is not a bad idea, if you believe you must find a bona-fide franchise QB before worrying about everything else.

  159. CavalierKong says:

    It makes zero sense to draft another 1st rd QB this year unless we’re intending to move on from Tua.

  160. CavalierKong says:

    And that is a big NO to the new overly complicated weird OT rule proposal. I personally think the OT rules are fine the way they are.

    • steveccnv says:

      I think they suck as they are, 10 minute OT is a huge disadvantage to the team that kicks. You could say the same thing about the old rule.

      Just change it to 15 minutes and leave the rest alone

      • CavalierKong says:

        I wouldn’t be against moving it back to a full 15 minutes. I don’t see it as a huge disadvantage. You still get a chance to possess the ball if your D does its job, but I like the idea of an actual quarter instead of 10 minutes too.

  161. CavalierKong says:

    I’m for trying out the reviewable roughing the passer call for a year, but I think it’ll be the same disaster as the PI review was. The call itself is too subjective and open for interpretation, so how can you have a consistent review on said call.

    • stangerx says:

      Any call will get better if they send it to NY, but then they can do it with all the calls and the games will just get longer.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I’m not trying to be contrary, Stang lol, but I think the PI review was an unmitigated disaster, so I have to disagree with the any call will be better thing. I think some things need to be left as called on the field and we accept a human element.

  162. CavalierKong says:

    And the 2 QB saying is a generally applicable statement, it’s not intended to be an immutable law of physics. It’s like saying “defense wins championships”.

    • steveccnv says:

      If you want to use loose statements as word, then yeah I agree.

      In other words a loose statement is just words without meaning.

      My son puts it in proper perspective by saying, it makes sense, if you don’t think about it🤪

  163. mf13ss says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 4, 2021 at 4:52 pm
    M13 and I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and M said they could save 15m on the cap, by reworking his contract.

    It didn’t seem right, so I ran the numbers and it came out the same 15m.
    THANK you, Steve! I appreciate that, man. Sending you a cyber case of your favorite adult beverage.

  164. mf13ss says:

    It would seem as though the Russell Wilson trade rumors have real legs. We’ll see…

  165. mf13ss says:

    I know some people like Colin Cowherd while others don’t. Regardless, I found this segment from earlier today to be intriguing…

  166. mf13ss says:

    So KVN has not yet been officially released, as we’re still actively trying to trade him. Not sure why the other 31 teams wouldn’t just wait for KVN to be released, and sign him to THEIR $$$ without giving up a draft pick(s). We’re (wisely) trying to get anything we can for KVN, before ultimately releasing him… but it’s probably not going to happen.

    Now KVN has been put into ‘deep freeze’, where he can’t even pick his next team as a FA, being we’re trying to trade him. Why would we do that to one of our team captains, leaders, and while loved/respected by Coach Flores? I think we’re going to need every pick we can get our hands on after we trade for Deshaun Watson.

    Maybe we’re playing poker, maybe we’ve overextended our intentions, perhaps it’s all just an illusion… but I truly feel it’s only a matter of time before we trade for Deshaun. I say BAD IDEA if that’s what we’re intending to do. I’m on the Tua bus, while keeping so many of our early picks for ourselves.

    • steveccnv says:

      The KVN news is a bit skewed, because the team told him they were going to release him and he leaked it.

      Teams will want to trade for him, so they won’t have get into a bidding war

      • mf13ss says:

        Interesting… that KVN ‘leaked it’ (that’s true!): hadn’t thought about it like that. That’s now making sense to me, that we’re playing poker. Good call, man.

  167. New Age says:

    KVN leaking the news is exactly why you never let a player decide things on your team. Watson would never pick the best HC, GM, players, etc for the team overall. He’d pick who he wants to play with, thinks helps him play best or look best. The player’s side is always selfish. The other side at least looks from the lens of what makes the team better so I can keep my job.

    Players always talk about it being a business but they are a huge reason teams don’t tell them anything that is going on. They can’t and won’t keep their mouths shut. Mike Golic always talks about how Miami dumped his ass out of nowhere one day. That’s the best policy honestly. Team decisions are made by team leadership…not prima donna players.

  168. Mike E. says:

    Steve – That doesn’t make sense to me. KVN would prefer to be released so he can choose what team he goes to. If he’s traded, he could end up on a shitty team and he will have no control over that. I don’t understand what you’re saying. I think the odds of him getting traded once he leaked the story are so much more unlikely. Teams will just wait until he gets released. They’re not going to want to pay his contract as it is.

    • steveccnv says:

      He was saying FU to the team, try to trade me after I leak that I’ll be released. Players aren’t always rational towards former team after being told they’ll be released.

      Pros for releasing – revenge, he gets to pick his team, and maybe his salary will be bigger.

      Cons – maybe salary goes down if no bidding war.

      Pros for trade – keeps his salary.

      Cons – can’t pick team

  169. looks like Mcain and Howard will be gone, we will have to either draft some secondary or bring someone in
    hopefully Iggy steps it up in 2021, we need the first rounder to come through in a big way

  170. another player the Steelers’ front office can’t lose in the shuffle is planning for a long future with Minkah Fitzpatrick. Watt is the playmaker upfront, but Fitzpatrick is the centerpiece X-factor of the secondary who can keep the defense together. Chris Carter

    arghhhhhhh, smh
    we have to learn how to draft and RETAIN quality players to advance in the postseason IMO

  171. sb7mvp says:

    When I read Stanger’s proposal about drafting another QB with the 3rd overall this year, I was going to reply that one in in the hand is worth two in the bush, but I don’t think we are allowed to say that phrase anymore after the #metoo movement so I refrained. At least I didn’t say anything controversial like Tim did. I could have been in trouble with the language police.

  172. Krishna says:

    USA Today: OPEC Cartel Leaves Production Cuts In Place:

    “Caution about the pandemic took the upper hand Thursday at a meeting of the OPEC oil cartel and allied countries, as they left most of their production cuts in place amid worry that coronavirus restrictions could still undermine recovering demand for crude. Many analysts had expected a small production increase as the price of oil has risen 30% since the start of the year. Instead, the group opted in favor of restraint sent crude oil prices higher.”

    I believe this was exactly Piggy’s point and has nothing to do with Biden policy. It’s a cartel. This cartel has been doing this for decades.

  173. bailbondmike says:

    Today is the start of pro days. Today it is only Kansas and I can’t think of anyone from that team we (blog) were looking at. None others this weekend then it picks back up Tuesday and gets busy after that.

    • steveccnv says:

      Underwear Olympics replaced by staged Olympics. The 40 times, and maybe some others like 3 cone, bench press are the only drills that matter.

  174. fear of inflation rocked the markets, and powells speech made things worse

    an economic restoration and opec will cause some inflation, no way around it

    markets hate inflation, and rising treasury bond yields. but the market is booming premarket, maybe i can sell something up today

  175. shorts are getting squeezed hard this morning, lol damn Melvin capitol and the rest of the hurricane looters

  176. bailbondmike says:

    Krishna, you are wrong. It is all Biden’s fault. Everything will be his fault for the next 4 years. Just the way it has to be. When we trade all of our draft capital for the next 2 years plus Tua for Watson, it is going to be Biden’s fault. I think I tore my rotator cuff a couple weeks ago and you know what?
    It’s fucking Biden’s fault dammit! 😉 lol

    • steveccnv says:

      If turnabout is fair play…

      • Krishna says:

        Turnabout is crude and self-demeaning. Tit for tat is for the ignorant, imo. Carry on!

    • bailbondmike says:

      And another thing…I was at the casino last week and was hitting this machine real good. After 4 corona’s I couldn’t wait anymore I had to pee so bad. I left the machine and when I came back someone took the that machine so I sat 2 machines down and that person hit for $2300 on my machine. On top of that, when walking what seemed like a half mile to the bathroom I almost didn’t make it and trickled in my shorts before I got there. IT”S ALL BINDEN’S FUCKING FAULT!

      That’s how this whole thing works ya see.

      • steveccnv says:

        Time is part of the random generator algorithm, that determines what the outcome of any spin is, so unless you pushed the button at exactly the same time, your outcome likely would’ve been different.

      • Krishna says:

        Steveccnv….wtf? Lmao at your nonsense. Good stuff!

      • CavalierKong says:

        LOL, thanks Obama.

    • Krishna says:

      Lmao….now that’s funny!

  177. steveccnv says:

    What if we took Pitts with our 1st pick? I’m in, but not at 3.

    Trade to 8 or 9 and these players will likely be off the board Lawrence, Wilson, Penei, Fields, Smith, Chase, and maybe Farley, Surtain, Lance or Mack Jones, leaving us Pitts or Waddle. Which would you take?

    Remember how hard it was to stop the Raiders Waller? Pitts should be all of that and more

  178. Krishna is correct, he has a good grasp of things, IMO

    google it up, he is correct

  179. steveccnv says:

    That’s like saying I read it on the internet, so it must be true

  180. bailbondmike says:

    HELP, anyone on here ever have to get any kind of memorabilia appraised or know someone that does that kind of thing?

    I am the executor of my father-in-laws estate. Interesting story about him was after WWII while stationed at Camp Pendleton, CA he worked as a military consultant during the filming of the John Wayne movie “Sands of Iwo Jima”. I came across this letter from Republic Productions dated September 12, 1949 to him thanking him for his contributions to the movie. The letter is signed by the Director, Allan Dwan, then signed by John Wayne and lastly signed by the Producer, James Edward Grainger (J.E.Grainger). He even still have the original envelope it was mailed to him in.

    I contacted the John Wayne Birthplace & Museum and they don’t do that sort of thing but referred me to the lady who recently appraised everything in their museum. I contacted her and she told me it would be $500 to appraise a single item. I thought that was a bit much.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    • the bad news is most appraisers/buyers will down play its worth

      , its worth what a person will pay for it

      see if anyone else is trying to sell the same item or similar,,, that might give you an idea on what to ask for it

    • Krishna says:

      Yeah, CA prices, no clue. Last house appraisal in TX was $350 about 5 years ago.

      I’m thinking the memorabilia is priceless. Not my call though.

  181. Krishna says:

    What’s that? You didn’t see the market drop on cartel news? It was all fake?

    Probably didn’t affect you, but it will. Lmao.

  182. the late afternoon selloff was so bad, it almost triggered sec breakers
    the shorters timed their dumps on Powells speech, and late afternoon was blood in the street prices.
    they lost a good chuck of their shorted gains when they got squeezed at buying back higher prices this morning, lol they are manipulators and savages

  183. today is another one of those sell off the peaks , cost average the shorted dips all day, lmao, volatility is insane, just cant panic sell, ever.

    hopefully next week the bulls take over

  184. bailbondmike says:

    The letter is not for sale. There are 3 siblings and one wants to keep it. Therefore, that person needs to pay the other two their 1/3 of what it would go for today. I have seen other signed letters from John Wayne going for $1000 -$1800. This letter is uniquely related to a famous war movie and also signed by the director and producer. Just trying to do things right by the 3 siblings.

    • sb7mvp says:

      Seems like the other two siblings need to just let the other have it. I can’t imagine expecting monetary compensation for something I don’t want.

    • steveccnv says:

      Just give in, it’s not worth it. That 5 or 6 hundred doesn’t really matter.

      Or set a price now and get your 3rd, then if it’s sold later maybe all 3 could share in that profit.

      OD may be able to put you in touch with someone

    • stangerx says:

      BBM — cool item but definitely not worth getting it appraised unless actually want to sell. Keep in mind that what you see things listed for on the internet is the asking or pre-auction price. Would normally go for less. FIguring out the worth of a Wayne autograph should be easy for starters.

      I would find the closest I could to it and set the price from that. Anyone has a problem with that I’d say, “we can put it up for bid btwn you 3.”

  185. steveccnv says:

    Job reports out today, so a market dive is likely. Repercussions of shutting the country down

  186. CavalierKong says:

    I just googled ‘Krishna is correct’ and watched a 2 hour video on Sanskrit and converted to Hinduism.

  187. CavalierKong says:

    BBM, I agree with David. Just go the the priceless letter store and see what rate they are selling their September 12, 1949 letters from Republic Productions Company for.

    Or ask a few people on the street. Someone is bound to be selling the same letter.

  188. stangerx says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 5, 2021 at 9:19 am
    What if we took Pitts with our 1st pick? I’m in, but not at 3.
    I’m intrigued by the thought (but agree not at 3). Could see us go Gesicki and Pits in 2 TE regularly. Think would be a good set-up for Tua. Brings up visions of Gronk and Hernandez. Thing is who is gonna block if that’s almost a base? Gronk can block.

  189. CavalierKong says:

    Looks like the Senate may have agreed on special unemployment benefits being extended until September. The $1.9 googolplex deal should be passing soon.

    I’m hoping they increase the minimum wage to $75. My youngest daughter will be finishing college in the next few years, and I would love for her to start off making close to what they make at McDonalds.

    • bailbondmike says:

      I hate the thought of extending unemployment. Reason being is, around here, there are plenty of jobs/work to be found. Roofers are still backed up 3 months or more from the storms last year. My roofer said he went from one crew to hiring two other crews. However, my drug addict brother-in-law has lived the last year in motel rooms shooting up heroin and meth (he alternates several times a day). He has recently been experimenting mixing the date rape drug with meth and shooting that. This has been 100% on your tax dollar and mine. Says as long as he gets an unemployment check every two weeks he isn’t even going to look for a job. He has even overdosed 3 times in the last year on our dollar.

      I was shocked to hear that him and his drug addict husband together are raking in over $4000 a month in unemployment/COVID relief right now.

      • CavalierKong says:

        For some people the question becomes why go back to work when you can make more on unemployment?

        And the Prez says we’re supposed to have enough vaccine to inoculate all adults by end of May, so why extend the special benefits until September?

      • bailbondmike says:

        Yeah, I don’t get it either. Things around Pensacola have been, more or less, back to normal since last fall. All the restaurants and bars have been open. I have seen some full to capacity.

      • steveccnv says:

        That’s the socialist way

  190. Mike E. says:

    Yeah, let’s just stop producing oil and importing it. Fuck the millions and millions of people who drive cars that aren’t electric. Good thinking . . .

    • Krishna says:

      Who thought that?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I feel like you guys are missing the point

      People aren’t buying crude oil bc people don’t need it like they did pre covid. Travel reduction is a big reason why

      It doesn’t matter whether it’s produced domestically or not. You can’t sell it when the need isn’t there. And that’s why production has dropped and caused prices of crude oil to go up

      It’s not just OPEC that is dropping production. It’s American companies.

      This is from last April

      Obviously you guys aren’t going to accept OPECs historical vice grip on oil prices and historical actions. In fact I’m sure you won’t accept it – Today was the first time I’ve ever heard some one say some one else poked holes in what I said a week before a major American periodical published the identical argument.

      So fine, you are unwilling to accept OPECs influence on the price of oil on the US. I think that’s plausible denial but I don’t want to waste my time on that anymore

      American and Canadian companies also cut production for the same
      Economic reasons opec is cutting production

      Whether or not we import crude oil or not doesn’t affect whether there is some one to sell the crude oil to

      A withdrawal of a license of a pipeline which hasn’t been under construction since 2015, and only issued in 2019 cannot affect a change of oil production in the US from 2020 to 2021 unless some one invests a time machine and brings the oil that would have been produced back to 2021.

      US oil production did not drop bc of the Keystone pipeline which did not exist in 2020. US oil production has been reduced bc of demand.

      I promise you, if you look hard enough, in 2018, you will find a notable conservative voice in Twitter acknowledging OPECs affect on the market in the US.

  191. bailbondmike says:

    sb7mvp, it would be that easy as one sister wants the letter and the other sister is willing to let her have it but it is the drug addict brother who says “Hell no, I want my share of what the letter is worth”. It is because of him, I have painstakingly been inventorying all their fathers belongings, putting it in a spreadsheet and mostly doing my own self-appraisal of everything by looking shit up on line. Luckily, his estate is small with no real estate and does not have to go through probate. This letter seems to be my only obstacle.

    • bailbondmike says:

      There is no money involved either. His monthly checks went into a joint account with my wife and his money market account was also transferrable upon death to my wife. Their father removed the brother from his insurance policy last year because of all the shit he was pulling so my wife and her sister split that. He gave the money market to my wife since he has lived with us the last 6 years and never asked him for anything.

  192. The Flying Pig says:


    The appraisal price of $500 is generally a cost of administrating the estate.

    You can always contact different appraisers and see if you do better. I don’t know the prices on those sort of things and what’s normal.
    but if a museum referred you to her, she’s probably expensive. There might be people willing to do it for free in hopes you sell it to them

    But if left with spending the $500. And it’s worthless. That money comes out of the estates funds, before it’s distributed to beneficiaries. This varies from state to state, but If the $500 was just passed to the beneficiaries from the estate, you guys are just no ping to be taxed on it anyway (with the exception of surviving spouse). It might be worth it to spend the $500 bc you are not quite throwing $500 dollars away, you would be throwing whatever the beneficiaries are left after taxes away.

    And if that memorabilia is worth a lot isn’t that worth the $500 you spent?

    So my suggestion is
    * look for some one cheaper first
    * if they give you a high number for the value, hire the $500 lady

    Whatever you are spending comes out of the estates assets anyway, and you won’t get to keep that all anyway, so it’s worth it to spend money in hopes of getting a professionals opinion. Maybe that $500 lady even will give you some kind of certificate which wil help that value at an auction

    This isn’t legal advice, it’s just what I would do if I were you
    Sometimes you got to spend money to make money

    • bailbondmike says:

      Thanks Piggy, tremendous help! The appraisal lady does estates among other things but her main thing is appraising Rock and Roll memorabilia.

    • bailbondmike says:

      The appraisal price of $500 is generally a cost of administrating the estate.
      That is what I had thought but that was her price for appraising just that letter. I am more intrigued than anything just to see. It’s not like it is going to be some big amount, maybe 2K at most. I am going to follow your suggestion. Thanks again!

  193. stangerx says:

    BBM — in case you missed what I said above — “I would find the closest I could to it and set the price from that. Anyone has a problem with that I’d say, “we can put it up for bid btwn you 3.”

    He would know won’t win that and will probably come in lower. What’s he gonna do contest the estate? He very well may threaten that but have a feeling you would mention that it would delay him getting his money by months.

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