Mike Gesicki – Will he be the Dolphins Franchise All Time Best?

Before this season begins, there are currently 8 TE’s that have more career receiving yards than Mike Gesicki. Of those TE’s, only 5 of them were drafted by the Dolphins. I’m sure you guys know who the leader is, he was the first TE to come to mind when I woke up and decided to write this article. Randy McMichael is the all time leading TE and he was drafted and played 5 seasons for the Dolphins. McMichael totaled 3096 receiving yards on 283 receptions and 18 TD’s. To me, those are very reachable numbers for Gesicki, but only if he gets a new contract. He’s on the last year of his 4 year rookie contract after being drafted #42 in RD 2 in the 2018 NFL Draft.

The other TE’s, if you’re wondering who are at the moment ahead of Mike Gesicki are Bruce Hardy (Drafted by Miami), Anthony Fasano, Keith jackson, Charles Clay (Drafted by Miami), Ferrell Edmunds (Drafted by Miami), Troy Drayton and Joe Rose (Drafted by Miami). Each season, Gesicki has increased his receiving yards and there’s no reason to expect that trend to stop this season. Throw out the rookie season where he was scarcely used, in his 2nd season he was targeted 89 times and had 51 receptions for 570 yards. In his 3rd season Gesicki’s targets went slightly down from 89 to 85 but he had 2 more receptions and 133 more receiving yards. I think a fair expectation for Gesicki this season would be 100 targets, 60 receptions and 800 yards. That would Mike as #3 All Time for the Dolphins. To me, the most important issue is re-signing Gesicki. Dolphins fans talk about how great our depth is at TE with Gesicki, newly drafted Hunter Long, Durham Smythe, Adam Shaheen, Chris Myarick etc., but no other TE is in the class of Gesicki here, not even close. He’s the guy we have waited for, the guy that has the size, speed, leaping ability and catch radius to beat any player trying to cover him.

If you think I’m blowing smoke, let me compare Gesicki to the best of the best. Travis Kelce was targeted 145 times last season, nearly 2 times more than Gesicki (89). Darren Waller was also targeted 145 times. If Gesicki was targeted that many times this season he would easily surpass all the other TE’s on the Dolphins All Time receiving list and would also make it impossible not to re-sign him. I’m not advocating for Gesicki to be targeted as much as those guys but I do think 100 targets wouldn’t be crazy. I would absolutely hate to see Gesicki move on from the Dolphins. I’m hoping we try and get him a new contract early on, because if he plays to his potential and we feed him enough targets, his next contract is going to be a huge one. Even if that’s the case, keep the best players on your team, especially when you draft them.

He’s worked on his blocking, and while he’s not the best in line blocking TE, the best never are. Travis Kelce doesn’t spend much time blocking and either does Darren Waller. The biggest exception to this would San Francisco 49ers TE George Kittle who may be the best all around TE in the NFL. That guy is a tenacious blocker and also has the receiving talent to break a game open. Kittle regularly gets more than 100 targets in a season, and that’s where I feel Gesicki should be as well. I think Gesicki brings the same qualities to the table that Kelce, Waller, Kittle, Pitts, Goedert and Andrews bring. Kyle Pitts was drafted #4, Gesicki #42. Pitts is faster but Gesicki trumps Pitts with his superior vertical ability. I’m looking forward to seeing Gesicki join the ranks of the best this season with more targets and more production. Pay that man his money!

GO DOLPHINS !!

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1,136 Responses to Mike Gesicki – Will he be the Dolphins Franchise All Time Best?

  1. bailbondmike says:

    Yeah, would definitely like to see him get that extension this season.

    Great topic/article Mike.

  2. Rockphin says:

    ………… Did someone mention Goedert?

    Man we should have drafted that guy.

  3. ocalarob says:

    The problem with gesicki is he telegraphs our intentions to the opposing D due to his inability to block, when he’s in there it’s a passing down, the D plays pass

    it’s not a coincidence that miami drafted a TE this year.

    if he doesn’t get traded before the start of the season this will be his last year in miami.

    • Mike E. says:

      Do you watch the games? To say every time Gesicki is on the field we’re throwing is ridiculous. You can do better than that

      • ocalarob says:

        I forgot the number but it’s like 85% pass to run when he’s in the game.
        he gives away our position, it’s no secret, i’m not making this shit up.

    • steveccnv says:

      That stat reflects poorly on him, but maybe we’ll see a bit more 12 personnel at times, when they want to confuse or keep the D guessing.

      Think Gesicki is mostly a luxury player, that we may trade at the trade deadline.

      See Long as a cross between Kelce and Kittle style player, if he can progress before the trade deadline, it could make Gesicki expendable.

      Flores didn’t draft Gesicki, so…

      Gesicki’s biggest assets are big play capability and goal line, in other words money player, so don’t want to say good bye, not sure how Flores feels.

      Deep in the playoffs you need some guys, that can get it done, when the going gets tough.

      We know Parker, Williams, Gesicki, and Fuller can do that, I’d expect Waddle can to, how many do we need?

  4. steveccnv says:

    His floor is 10m, which we can afford right now, if they choose to sign him early.

    Expect it to get done right before the season starts after the cuts.

    Don’t expect his targets to go up, too many other receivers to throw to.

    Don’t think any receiver will get 100 targets, unless Tua has that security blanket, which could be (rookie of the year) Waddle.

    No reason to target 1 guy too often, when you have so many good options

    • Mike E. says:

      100 targets is not a crazy amount for a season, that’s less than 6 per game in a 17 game season.

      • steveccnv says:

        With as many targets as we have, think it depends on how many plays our O gets, and it should be more than last year.

        Also injuries may play a part

  5. steveccnv says:

    Kittle 15m APY
    Kelce 14.3m APY

    Gesicki should be around the 13m APY range

  6. Mike E. says:

    Watch Gaskin’s highlight reel. Gesicki is in on the large majority of runs, probably 70% or higher.

  7. Mike E. says:

    We know Parker, Williams, Gesicki, and Fuller can do that, I’d expect Waddle can to, how many do we need? We also know Parker, Williams and Fuller can’t stay on the field, but yeah sure, let Gesicki go because he’s a luxury.

    • steveccnv says:

      Not saying let him go, there’s an argument both ways.

      Don’t know how Flores feels, personally don’t want any of our very good players to leave.

      Cheats 2019 game 16 were stunned when Gesicki beat them

  8. The Flying Pig says:

    Forming a coalition of Dolfans who believe Gesicki will get 8+ TDs this season

    Who’s in?

  9. The Flying Pig says:

    It’s just TC but

    • steveccnv says:

      Tannehill used to drive me nuts, with his fastball on every throw, Tua shows better touch on all of his passes.

      The deep ball that drops in the bucket wasn’t something he had last year, that trajectory alone will improve his deep ball, let alone actually having a deep receivers not called butter fingers Grant

  10. Mike E. says:

    Steve – Is there really an argument both ways on Gesicki? The only argument is how much you pay him, but who (besides Rob) wouldn’t want Gesicki on the team?

    • steveccnv says:

      The argument against is cost vs production. As a negative he seems to only excel from the slot, when Preston is out, not much of a blocker, and we pass when he’s in a ridiculous % of the time.

      Is that enough to let him go? Flores will have to decide, but don’t act like he doesn’t have some issues

      • Mike E. says:

        Production is there, but once again, it’s targets that are limiting his production. Does anyone on the Chiefs or Raiders worry about if Kelce or Waller are blocking? If Kelce is getting 145 targets every season, he’s not out there blocking. I don’t consider that a shortcoming for Gesicki, any more than I would for Kelce or Waller. He’s a receiving TE, that’s his game. He’s a mismatch nightmare. Throw him the ball more often and his production will be right there with the best.

      • steveccnv says:

        Doesn’t matter what you consider it, you said is there really an argument both ways, just putting out there the other side.

        More targets Doesn’t always equate to the same production multiplied, so the more targets argument doesn’t work, lots of other factors involved

  11. steveccnv says:

    Funny thing on the video Rob posted is the guy was comparing his actual production vs what HE expected for his 6’6″ fast frame, then when it came to YAC he didn’t use the same logic of the expected YAC for a skinny receiver, that isn’t quick or powerful

  12. sb7mvp says:

    Good article Mike and agree. My hope is that the new regime at OC will recognize what we need to do to increase the output of this offense and take advantage of the mismatches that Gesicki creates. Our team was middle of the pack in pass attempts last year with an average of about 35. Even if we stay at that we can still be a successful offense and generate wins. If you’re throwing a lot more than that, it’s more likely because you’re in shootouts or playing from behind.
    Gesicki is arguably the best weapon we have on the field. He received the second most targets on the team last year with Jakeem Grant being the 3rd guy (54). I don’t see any reason we can up his targets of 1 more per game (which would put him at 102), even if Preston plays a full season or Waddle balls out.

  13. steveccnv says:

    Think we’ll have feature receivers this year setup in the gameplan, so changing week to week based on the matchup.

    Against a small non physical set of DBs we may see more Gesicki, Parker, Williams targets, against slower DBs we may see more Fuller, Waddle, Wilson targets.

    Teams with less DB depth we may see more targets to theb3rd and 4th WRs.

    We have at least 2 of each kind of receiver, so we should be able to matchup with anyone

  14. bailbondmike says:

    I think he has gotten better at blocking but is still like 50/50 hit or miss.

  15. sb7mvp says:

    I’ll also just add, that I’d be more than happy for any of the other guys to actually stay on the field and show up while they are there. It still wouldn’t keep Gesicki from getting 100 targets in a season.

  16. Phindog says:

    Nice write Mike E !! Mike Gesicki is an effin stud and will be Tua’s go to. I shared a photo of a Christmas present I got from my son with someone here. I wonder who that was ? He’s gonna have a great season. 🐕

  17. Rockphin says:

  18. bailbondmike says:

    • bailbondmike says:

      Wilson is starting to get me excited. He is connecting with Tua already and you hear someone in the background yelling, they can’t keep up with him. Speed and more speed!

  19. bailbondmike says:

  20. bailbondmike says:

    Not sure if these are from this morning or yesterday, but nice to hear.

    – Tua completed a deep pass down the field to Jakeem Grant then ran down the field and jumped up to chest bump him in celebration

    – Now Jakeem Grant pulls in a 9 route from Tua. Igbinoghene was right there but the ball descends over Jakeem’s shoulder who makes the grab with the traffic and going to the ground. Dolphins QBs are throwing a high percentage on balls traveling 50 yards in the air.

    – Justin Coleman is aggressive. He’s got a veteran savvy with regards to getting hands on guys in the five-yard window.

    – Robert Foster with two deep catches – one each from Tua and Brissett. Taking advantage again of his chances and other receivers out.

    – And now it’s an absolute dime from Tua on a 9 route to Robert Foster — never broke stride, nice move to get behind the defense from the man who caught Tua’s first collegiate completion.

    -5-on-7 — Tua throws deep to a wide open Waddle on a corner route — Waddle would’ve been one on one with the safety with a LOT of green grass around him to force a missed tackle and get to pay dirt.

    • bailbondmike says:

      “high percentage on balls traveling 50 yards in the air”
      —————
      Weak arm???

      • steveccnv says:

        Last time I checked was throwing it 45 in 8th grade, so 50 isn’t saying much, but how many NFL deep balls actually go 60+?

      • steveccnv says:

        Think Russell Wilson has a weak arm, but it doesn’t bother him, think Tua’s is very comparable

      • D says:

        Know some people that had cannons….Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell apparently could throw it 60+ sitting on his knees. Just gonna say, there is a different thing from good arm and cannon, …to me Tua has a good to great arm buit maybe not a cannon. He can make nice deep throws, drops them in perfectly, there is nothing wrong with his arm and its not weak, but yes compared to some of those listed, definitely weaker,,, but remind me some of the labels on some of those cannon armed guys….biggest bust ever, wash out, bad career, and my favorite….who?

  21. Rockphin says:

    I like Travis Wingfield’s “reporting” it is generally team friendly in tone.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      He’s a positive guy

      And beat reporters like Omar and Mando might not like that

      But why be anything but positive during training camp

      I also think he has much better football takes than the local reporters
      He actually breaks down the film and shows it to people

      Yeah it’s a lot of positive things – but it’s still a lot better detailed breakdown of what goes on the field then some of the drama the beat reporters try to create

      • D says:

        You can do honest reporting without seeming like your an enemy of the team and there are times i wonder if Omar doesn’t hate the fucking team. He definitely likes to emphasize the negatives. Mando is a narcissist and while even as one he tends to be a bit more team friendly, he still rails on them when they don’t go in what he feels is the right direction. Its not a bad thing but he leaves no room for their professional decision to trump his outlook. Wingfield is more like the beat reporters from other areas, mostly pro-team, but also reports things that aren’t in the best light of the team.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I think the best reporters are a;ways trying to create drama

        And it makes you wonder

        Why?

        People that follow the Dolphins are following for football. Just give us football. I will never forget that Dawn Aponte tirade Mando unleashed years ago and I still hold thing like hat against him. I know these things aren’t important here, but suggesting just a female exec is cozing up the owner to get ahead in the organization really rubs me the wrong way. She’s now a high ranking nfl official

      • D says:

        Ya mean beat lol, or at least i think it didnt really meld with the rest of your reply. I mean i think its a Miami beat reporter thing. The NO beat reporters are heavily pro team, as are the fans around here, and they are nutty as fuck so maybe its self preservation but they don’t bag on the team like the Miami ones do.

  22. Rockphin says:

    Too early on Friday, I know.

    This goes out to a “special” someone.

    • D says:

      Was one of my fav bands for a while.Sad she had so many issues, it might have made her music better, who knows, but it cut her life short. I also had a SERIOUS crush on her.

  23. Rockphin says:

  24. Rockphin says:

    Howard practiced full participation today according to Rap

    • The Flying Pig says:

      So no more sprained ankle I guess

    • Rockphin says:

      Armondo says Howard didn’t participate in practice at all. So who is lying?

      • steveccnv says:

        Check the date of the tweet

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I didn’t realize that was a tweet from Yesterday

        If I had to pick one who was wrong I would go with Mando

      • steveccnv says:

        The tweet is from Wed Mondos wasnfrom Thurs

      • Rockphin says:

        Ahh, I didn’t notice the tweet was from Wed. It was in the tweet time line from practice today on the Phins.com site (they gather tweets from a bunch of sources and re-post them in a side bar) Mondo’s comments were from his article on today’s practice.

    • steveccnv says:

      Flores also mention Howard was out in the interview above

    • D says:

      If he wants to be traded that’s actually the best move for him. It facilitates that better than doing the opposite.

      Again, i think if there is a team that wants to trade for him its going to be a win now team, which means that first round pick that people keep talking we should get for him is going to be a late round one and im sure that’s not enough in my opinion. If we dont also get a 2nd that same year or an additional first in a future draft we are seriously selling ourselves short. Id take a first and a trade for a top tier player as well. As i have mentioned, Chandler Jones or Danielle Hunter both sound like appealing options, Trade to the Boys for Leighton Vander Esch and a first, let him get back on track with us. With the Eagles for either Derrick Barnett and a first of Brandon Graham and a pick. Plenty of interesting scenarios.

  25. Rockphin says:

  26. Rockphin says:

    From Mondo

    Gesicki has had a good opening to camp. He’s averaged between about three catches per practice in team periods and has become Tagovailoa’s apparent go-to target (aside from running backs on checkdowns).

  27. Rockphin says:

    The Dolphins will go into pads for the first time on Tuesday so it will be intersting to see if Gesicki, who has been a willing but inconsistent blocker in the past, has improved that area of his game.
    Foster makes case for roster spot

    Mondo Misspells Interesting and they publish it anyway…..

  28. steveccnv says:

    Watching Gaskin from 2019 saw nothing to make me think he’s an NFL RB, he sure had that jump in 2020 like we hope Tua has this season

  29. Rockphin says:

    LOL Baker is funny

  30. Rockphin says:

    Is it just me or does Jaelan Phillips look exactly like Sideshow Bob from the Simpsons?

  31. The Flying Pig says:

    Grant is going to try to push to be on this roster

    We have a bunch of receivers

  32. The Flying Pig says:

    I forgot we acquired Duke Riley in March

    I still think Riley has some good football left in him

  33. The Flying Pig says:

    Looking at our depth chart at LB

    I like having Baker, McKinney, Phillips and AVG as starters (I’m 3-4 base)
    With depth like Riley, Beigel, Eguavoen and Elandon Roberts as depth

    That’s pretty deep IMO

  34. The Flying Pig says:

    Does your child suffer from shit-team-itis?

    Is being a milf not enough to get him through school?

    Let’s the professionals at TutorMy12YearOld help

  35. stangerx says:

    Yes Mike Gesicki is a real good player and one who we want to keep on the team.
    Some think he is not worth the money he will get after this last year of his contract.
    Others do.
    Either way we can franchise him…. and that plays into whether to sign long term.
    Franchise number will be $11-some million.
    You think he’s worth more than that….. then it’s a deal.
    You think too expensive… then didn’t want to sign him anyway.

  36. stangerx says:

    “MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. — Miami Dolphins cornerback Xavien Howard, who has requested a trade via Instagram, did not practice Friday because of an undisclosed injury.”
    (ESPN)

  37. pheloniusphish says:

    Think Howard is following Jalen Ramsey’s playbook.

  38. Krishna says:

    Thanks for the write on Gesicki, Mike E.

    When we double-downed on TE in that draft, I thought we were finally going to utilize that position as a potent weapon in our offense.

    It hasn’t been nearly that. I hope H Long adds to that weaponry and we figure out how to make it a strength vs an afterthought (or checkdown).

    I was never impressed with Shaheen and whoever else we have….lol.

    TE should be a position of strength, especially, in an attacking, aggressive offense.

  39. Tim Knight says:

    Good write, Mike! Gesicki is a playmaking TE. The end. 🙂

  40. stangerx says:

    “I understand what he’s trying to do. Obviously we’d love to have him here, but there’s no hard feelings. I’m not scared of facts. The dude is the best, no question about that. Last year we gave him all the hard covers and he showed up. He not only showed up, he excelled at those too. He didn’t get cupcake interceptions. He went and got those, one hand, high-pointing the ball. He made his money. He earned it definitely.”
    — Byron Jones, who doesn’t seem to mind the shade thrown his way, on X. He’s one cool cat.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Byron Jones is a very cool dude. He’s really smart too.

    • Krishna says:

      Funny, I don’t see it as “shade.” You give props to those that deserve props no matter your position, your pay grade or status. That’s classy and professional.

      Why wouldn’t you?

      • stangerx says:

        The shade is what X has been throwing Jones’ way. He could have said he should be the highest paid CB in the NFL but instead over and over went to being paid less than Jones. Jones could have gone “hey I earned my money”….. instead he said X did.

      • Krishna says:

        Got it, sorry. Yeah, X has been a little bitch, imo.

  41. The Flying Pig says:

    Phish

    If it makes you feel better Ramsey actually wasn’t on a contract dispute with the jags

    They picked up the 5th year of his contract and then he had issues in the offseason

    He actually played under the contract with the Rams after he was traded

    And then that contract expired
    And he was a free agent

    And then the Rams made him the highest paid CB in the league

    • Tim Knight says:

      He knew he’d get a new deal when the Rams gave up two 1st round picks and a 4th for him. LOL

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He actually did know he would get a new deal whether he stayed with jags or Rams

        He was in the 5th year of his rookie deal

        So he was going to be an UFA

        Not sure if the Rams signed him before he hit the market

        But he was on his way to being the hugest paid CB one way or another

      • stangerx says:

        And the Rams paid for t he privilege to make him the highest paid CB in the league. Not like they gave up two firsts to make him a one year rental. Have to believe that was understood.

  42. Tim Knight says:

    X is just doing business like NFL teams do when they throw players to the curb after they use them all up.

    • Krishna says:

      When did the Dolphins throw X to the curb? That’s just bullshit, imo, but maybe you know more.

      • Tim Knight says:

        They didn’t to him, but teams do that to players every year. It’s a business. I’m not sure why any of us care what he wants to be paid. He’s an elite player but he’s not going anywhere unless a team makes an offer we can’t refuse.

      • stangerx says:

        Why do any of us care? Cause there is a salary cap. Every dollar he gets above the contract he signed does not go to another player.

  43. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, who are we signing at this point? We’re going to be in really good shape cap wise next year. I’m not worried about the cap. Right now X is our best player. We’re trying to win now, we don’t need more picks. X helps us win games.

    • stangerx says:

      Whether this year or in future ones (you think he doesn’t want more more after this one) the extra we pay him will not go to other players. We roll over the cap every year cause Ross won’t pocket the unused.

      And yes he’s a great player, but that is the trade off.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’d give him what he wants, this is his last big payday. Like you said the other day, he’s 28 and once in their 30’s that’s getting long in the tooth for most corners. Ross wants to win sooner than later and we’re setup to start challenging for a title. Don’t fuck with it!

      • stangerx says:

        So you want the front office to give Howard what he wants. Was just pointing out what that means. And yeah I worry about the cap. My take is different , but may mainly be because think we shouldn’t be in “win now” mode. Think when that time is really here Howard may not be.

  44. mf13ss says:

    Stanger,

    Did you not tell me that you aren’t worried about our salary cap in a discussion we had a couple of weeks ago? Not understanding your change of tune all of the sudden.

    I’m not trying to nitpick you at all, but it warrants a ‘HELLO?’.

    • stangerx says:

      Have no idea what you are talking about. I always worry about the cap. What did I say?

      • stangerx says:

        Just popped to me what you were talking about. Was saying don’t worry about the current cap number as far as signing a player, doing a restructure etc. Can always push cap hits forward. But play that card often enough and you end up in cap hell, which was what was talking about even if to a lesser extent.

  45. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, what are we waiting for? So we added all these draft picks, made some trades for players and acquired FAs the last few years to rebuild this team so we can compete in 2024? That’s not how it works. Lots of players won’t be here by then.

    Let me ask you, why can’t we compete this year? What are we lacking? I understand we’re very young throughout the roster, but that’s the idea. It’s time for those players to live up to expectations. Unless we want to continue to keep doing this for a decade. September through January is what we should be focused on, not March and April.

    • Krishna says:

      I will interject…lol.

      I don’t see us waiting around. Contrary to popular belief, we are in the 3rd year of a rebuild and haven’t finished the 3rd yr.

      We started with a pile of shit and a nrw coach.

      Should have reached the SB last year, especially this year! Ridiculous expectations, imo.

    • stangerx says:

      Just don’t think we are ready to compete for the ring. Simple as that. Might make the playoffs and win a game though. And we didn’t even make the playoffs last year. Beat one team with a winning record. Putting the future at risk to max out on winning this year just seems foolish to me with a young team.

  46. Krishna says:

    We’re not ready to win now….it’s all paper bullshit.

    Let it play out on the field this year, then reassess.

    I’m in a show me moment this year. We played or won beyond our talent last year. I think last year was more about coaching and culture.

    • Krishna says:

      This year is to me is mostly about filling holes, talent acquisition, and performance. Bring your game and let’s reassess after this year.

    • Tim Knight says:

      We’re not ready to win now, why? Are we waiting to find 5 more all pro players? It’s go time! That doesn’t mean we have to make it to the Super Bowl this year, but what are our expectations, to keep falling short of the playoffs? Get into the tournament and go for it. That’s where we are. If we don’t make the playoffs this year it’s not time to blow it all up again, but it will be a disappointment.

      • Krishna says:

        We have a young team, I guess contextually when I say win I mean to have a shot at winning the SB. I don’t think we have a shot at that, this year.

        This year will give me a clue about next.

        I’m not trashing the team, just trying to be realistic.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      We are ready to win

      we have as much reason to be.wove that as most nfl teams with the exception of KC, Buffalo and TB who have more reason to believe it than anyone else

  47. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    July 30, 2021 at 8:17 pm
    Just popped to me what you were talking about. Was saying don’t worry about the current cap number as far as signing a player, doing a restructure etc. Can always push cap hits forward. But play that card often enough and you end up in cap hell, which was what was talking about even if to a lesser extent.
    ———-
    Exactly, and we’ve not played that card for quite some time… you’ve made my point.

    As far as I’M concerned, X was the NFL DPOY last year. We can make allowances to retain him.

    • mf13ss says:

      I understand precedence… BELIEVE ME. It’s not like we’re trying to set precedence to retain a marginal player. X is eXcellent, and worthy of retaining. We’ll see what happens…

    • stangerx says:

      Wasn’t even arguing against paying X every dollar he wants. Was just putting in perspective what else those dollars could go to.

      Unsure how that makes your point though.

  48. Krishna says:

    We need to establish winning as a culture. One year in football is not an established culture of winning. It’s just not.

  49. Krishna says:

    No one player makes or breaks a team, except when a Brady leaves your team.

    X is not Brady. He’s talented and I would love to keep him. If he’s not part of the team though, then you’re off the team. KISS!

    • stangerx says:

      X is the best player on a good defense. And one whose shelf life is short. Whatever the decision on him has to keep that in mind.

      • Krishna says:

        I do and then I think about the team and the culture and the future. Shula-esk maybe?

      • stangerx says:

        X is definitely clashing with the culture. But then even Shula admitted would cut a player for this or that when would not for a far better one.

    • Tim Knight says:

      You win with good and/or great players, not future draft picks over and over. It’s time to start playing and be a good team. Don’t fuck it up!

  50. stangerx says:

    Vegas has the Dolphins as a 30-1 shot to win the Bowl.
    32 teams in the league.
    Wouldn’t know it on this board. 🙂

  51. bookman11 says:

    I am confused by some of the discussion about X.

    Nobody wants him off the team, and everyone will concede the Dolphins are better with him.

    Is he a FA? No
    Is he under contract? Yes
    Is it a newer contract? Yes
    Was he paid accordingly to his performance at the time 2 years ago? Yes
    Is he still on the team? Yes

    To me, this is not about retaining All pro talent during a FA negotiation, he is under contract and will be playing, what is the issue? He has no leverage.

    • stangerx says:

      He has the have requested a trade combined with the chance of being one disgruntled MOFO who creates a toxic locker room. When you are the best player on the team…. that is leverage.

      • bookman11 says:

        We payed him 2 years ago when we didn’t have to, based on his injury history. We paid him high at the time in good faith because of his talent. He can play or sit and get fined….no leverage because this team is different now. He is the anomaly, not the norm

      • stangerx says:

        You act like leverage knows right and wrong. Dude pulls a gun on me in the street and he has leverage. I’d prefer he gets traded away like Minkah if that helps.

      • bookman11 says:

        I actually have no clue on your stance on this. To me, leverage is that he is under contract and is acting like a spoiled baby in front of his own teammates. When is enough, enough? He plays or doesn’t get paid, or fakes an injury, either way he is the ultimate loser.

      • stangerx says:

        My stance is don’t like him one bit now. Why want him traded away for all the reasons you mention and more unless he just folds and becomes a member of the team again.

      • bookman11 says:

        Ok, sorry, I think we are more on the same page than not. I prefer wait it out and he folds, but I get, the leverage you speak of is him being a “cancer”

      • stangerx says:

        For sure seemed we are on the same page. Was just pointing out that yeah he has that “cancer” leverage. Least I think it is real.

  52. manitobafinfan says:

    NFLN camped out at our practice field today, getting lots of coverage

  53. manitobafinfan says:

    Played last season in Buffalo, and this season somewhere in KS ?? Not sure on this years

  54. manitobafinfan says:

    Good write again Mike E … really hoping we sign Gesiki long term , I consider him top 7-8 TE in the league .. need to keep these guys .. hopefully X as well

  55. New Age says:

    No one ever knows who will be the Super Bowl champ. The Giants were 8-8 the year before they beat the 17-0 Patriots and started the year 0-2 in blowout losses. In fact, they were blown out 5 times that year. The 2011 Giants were 9-7 before they rolled on to beat the Pats again. The 2008 Cards almost won it all after having a 9-7 record. There are more examples.

    We probably won’t win but no one does a good Nostradamus impression every year. There’s just too many unknowns.

    • bookman11 says:

      There is always an “X” factor.
      Sorry

    • stangerx says:

      True, but how many boards of other NFL teams could you put that exact same post on? I’ll take Vegas’ top 6 right now and give you 5-1 odds one of them wins it.

      • New Age says:

        How about 10-1 odds 2 of the 6 meet in the SB?

      • stangerx says:

        If 5-1 was right on the winner 10-1 wouldn’t be right on both teams (two outcomes). There’s no doubt a team could sneak in there. And we are only talking the top 6 now. And not like #8 would be sneaking in. That one might be 5-1 as well.

  56. The Flying Pig says:

  57. bookman11 says:

    Stanger, I am just not sure the “cancer” leverage works anymore on this team, maybe 2 years ago, but not now? Culture is embedded, imho.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t think there’s a threat that a thing one player does affects the lockeroom

      A couple of years again I think we were on the edge of collapse for every little thing

      But honestly it was a fairly uneventful offseason

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed. A guy like X playing at the highest level and wanting to be compensated as such is not a cancer. Isn’t that what we want as fans, really good players?

      If Waddle blows up the league like a Tyreek Hill, you think he might want to be paid in a few years? That’s the NFL business.

    • stangerx says:

      bookman — he’s got four years left on his contract and you, me, Flores and the national media are talking about him right now while he has 4 years left on his contract. He leveraged that somehow. Guess we’ll see what the team does.

  58. Tim Knight says:

    Nobody said win the Super Bowl or it’s a failure. It’s time to start competing and stop thinking about future years over and over. You win with good and great players. It’s go time! That should be the goal.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Speak for yourself Tim!

      I’m going to stomp my feet and be generally irritable if we don’t win a super bowl

      There I said it…

  59. bookman11 says:

    X WAS paid! He was paid a lot of money when his health was in question. Do we just ignore that good faith by the team at that time?

    • stangerx says:

      Guess depends on who you ask.

      “I don’t feel the organization has dealt with me in good faith. I don’t feel valued, or respected by the Dolphins…..That’s why I want to make it clear I’m not happy, and have requested a trade.”

  60. Tim Knight says:

    Go Phins!!!! It could be worse. 😉

  61. bookman11 says:

    Of course we’re going to win the Super Bowl, that is not in dispute, what we need to figure out is if X gets a ring and rides in the parade or not 🤪

  62. The Flying Pig says:

    It really does sound like it’s all about the guarantees bc of the contract he signed coming off an injury

    But I don’t hate the man for trying to get those guarantees now
    As long as he doesn’t hurt the teams performance while he makes that play – I’m okay with it

    • bookman11 says:

      I can agree with this . It is why I say he has no leverage

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think he put it out there to make it real. I also think he’ll play through it. He’s not poor. LOL

      • stangerx says:

        And real he did make it. If I put out the same publicly at my old job the answer would have been swift — the door. But get wasn’t a Pro Bowl corner. He is bashing his employer though. Got think Ross knows that….. and he don’t take shiot.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s not on Ross, it’s on Grier. Right or wrong.

      • stangerx says:

        Sounds like you know more about how and when Ross steps in than I do. Thought he was consulted on big issues like this. But guess was wrong.

  63. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, I know no more than anyone. LOL

  64. twicethethe says:

    With all of todays X talk and the unfortunate passing of Dusty Hill, I can’t believe nobody posted this one…

  65. ocalarob says:

    it’s going to be interesting to see the surprise cuts at WR, we are deep there and most certainly have to let a good one walk.

  66. ocalarob says:

    when buying a cordless drill do you really want to go to harbor freight and buy a chicago brand?
    they just cant hold up, especially to the rigors of new construction.
    you may want to pay more for a dewalt.

    same said with NFL players, these often injured guys through no fault of their own cannot hold up to the rigors of the NFL. you see it all the time, players who are consistently out due to injury.

    Preston Williams, Devante Parker, look at Carson Wentz, he needs surgery and i can’t remember the last time he played a game.

    their bodies can’t hold up to the constant wear and tear, then you have other guys who are never injured.

    injury history should play a huge role in deciding the players on your roster.

  67. Mike E. says:

    Twice! Good job on ZZ Top! RIP Dusty!

  68. Dusty was a sharp dressed Man, lol

    rip Dusty, and go ZZtop!

  69. Albert Part time Wilson has started 33 games in a 7 year career, thats less than 5 starts per season.

    our postseason chances are suffering, from poor decision making demons of the past

    IMO we wont be winning playoff games, unless this improves

  70. Mike E. says:

    Rob – Yeah, him

  71. reports from day two of camp, Tua to Waddle connection looked real good, and Flores says he is also happy with Jacoby Brissett

    Brissett gives the Dolphins one of the top backup QBs in the league, and can step in without a big drop off in production, if the starter goes down

  72. if the Dolphins lose Howard, here are the teams remaining cornerbacks,
    Jason Mcourty
    Byron Jones
    Nik Needham
    Noah Iggy
    Jamal Perry
    Tril Williams
    Creveon Leblanc
    Tino Ellis
    Terrel Bonds
    Justin Coleman
    Javaris Davis
    Jaytlin Askew

    obviously they all wont make the final 53, just listing the CB that are currently on the Dolphins roster, that are not named Howard

  73. olddolphan says:

    SEEMS LIKE most of you folks are assuming the 2021 season “is on” and is definitely going to happen.

    I MAKE NO SUCH ASSUMPTIONS.

    The Delta variant, combined with the totally insufficient responses to it, tells me that going back into lockdown, full facemasking, and empty seats at sporting events, is a real possibility, if not A PROBABILITY, come October when the full force of this variant will be upon us.

    We WON’T be debating masks or no masks in the public schools. We’ll be debating whether the schools will even be open for business come October, IF THE WORST SCENARIO COMES TRUE.

    NOW I AM NOT saying this will come true. But that possibility certainly exists.

    ONE FINAL NOTE. A U. of ALABAMA alum told me the BEST way to get Alabamans to take the vaccine is to tell them there will be NO FOOTBALL THIS FALL unless that state’s vaccination rate is at least 60% (currently 39%).

    WILL NICK SABAN be on Alabama TV urging citizens to “Get the point??”

    ONE FINAL POINT. There’s no guarantee that fans will be allowed in the stands come this October. Do we need to concoct alternate plans for our get together, just in case??

    • olddolphan says:

      I WONDER IF the Colts’ franchise is secretly hoping the season is delayed so that starting QB Carson Wentz will have more time to get over his possible foot injury??

    • bailbondmike says:

      I hate this shit. There are so many games I could get to this season but have not bought any tickets because of this very question. There will be football, no doubt in my mind but not sure about changes in attendance. I have not gotten vax and not going to. Just talked to my doc this week and he told me I would not need to get it for at least another 6 months at a minimum due to the amount of antibodies that were already in my system. So if the NFL requires a vax, I am screwed.

    • bailbondmike says:

      BTW, one of our friends got both shots this past May and has been sick as hell with COVID for 5 days now. Says she is starting to feel a little better.

    • stangerx says:

      OD — guess an advantage that the Fest is in Florida. Gov Desantis will make sure that Plan B Bokampers or D&B is there. Even if see the chances of not being at Hard Rock remote. Two-thirds of adults are vaccinated.

  74. wyoming85 says:

  75. stangerx says:

    The top-5 ranked Miami Dolphins in ‘Madden 22’:

    No. 1: Cornerback Xavien Howard — 91 overall score.
    No. 2: Cornerback Byron Jones — 88
    No. 3 (tie): Kicker Jason Sanders — 85
    No. 3 (tie) : Tight End Mike Gesicki – 85
    No. 3 (tie): Wide Receiver Will Fuller – 85

  76. olddolphan says:

    YOUNG STANGER; Agree with you that living in Florida raises the chances that fans will be allowed in the stands for NFL football this season. However, I DOUBT Louisiana, home to the Saints , will come anywhere NEAR 50% coverage by the first week of September. And the Titans, Falcons and Charlotte Panthers may all be in the same boat.
    ————————–
    I ALSO BELIEVE that DeSantis’ ban on masking will be tossed out if it is challenged in the Supreme Court. The current court sided with a hospital’s right to DEMAND that its employees get vaccinated or face firing. Doubt that the current court would rule differently on a similar case.

    • stangerx says:

      I just don’t get why DeSantis thinks being against all protective measures against Covid is a huge political sell. Big difference btwn wearing masks and getting vaccinated and closing businesses. But yet his campaign sells “‘Don’t Fauci My Florida” T-shirts.

      And the the legal question on this is not whether requiring masks is legal. It’s whether a Gov can put a ban on that. Big difference. Courts don’t like to tell Governors what they have to do.

  77. pheloniusphish says:

    Governor can certainly ban publicly funded institutions from requiring masks. Can’t stop private entities from requiring. Probably can stop federal mandates simply by refusing to enforce.

    I can understand OD and Ken being afraid of COVID given their age and underlying Heath problems. The rest of you guys need to get off the fear porn. COVID is just the new flu.

  78. sb7mvp says:

    We aren’t deep at receiver. We are wide.

  79. Krishna says:

    I probably should look this up and but it was an interview with Fauci about the statistics or chances of dying from COVID.

    Getting hit by lightning, dying in a plane crash, etc. were far more likely to happen to someone. It was a little shocking to me.

    Fauci did not deny the statistics, just stressed the reason to get vaccinated so the virus has no place to go. Worried about delta mutating to next variant, possibly more contagious and lethal.

    Makes sense as we all know viruses mutate.

    • stangerx says:

      600k+ Americans have died from Covid. How many people die from lightening or in plane crashes? Have to think something missing from that comparison. Young people?

      • Krishna says:

        In a population of 350 million and mostly elderly and health compromised. I’m definitely in a higher risk category based on age alone.

        I trust my body.

        Not going to argue you with about whether one should or should not get the vaccine. To me it’s a personal choice.

      • Krishna says:

        And, my point was addressing and supporting pp’s comment about “fear porn.”

        I get it.

        This whole fucking pandemic has been mismanaged imo.

      • stangerx says:

        It is a personal choice. Just pains me that 99% of the people losing their lives now haven’t gotten their shots. Was their choice for sure, but still find it said. The vaccination is no big deal and free.

      • Krishna says:

        I get your take stangerx, I really do.

        People die and some make choices that hasten that process.

        If it’s any consolation, I have wondered what the difference between the 2 shot v 1 shot. I could probably only do this once and that would be to get to the fest or travel, if required.

    • Krishna says:

      This was addressing pp’s comment about fear porn. The messaging is awful! It’s pretty typical of the medical profession and has been for years.

      For example, my business partner got the shingles vaccine 2 weeks ago. Said he felt like shit for a week, awful the first couple of days. I asked him what was wrong and why he got the vaccine. Because have you seen how bad it could be. I said yeah, so.

      Just don’t believe you walk through life trying to immunize yourself against what might or might not happen. Maybe, COVID is an exception.

  80. stangerx says:

    ” For the fourth day in a row, Michael Deiter is the starting center. To this point, he’s clearly ahead of Matt Skura and Cameron Tom in the battle for a starting job. Good for Deiter, whose attitude, intelligence and work ethic impress the staff.”

    “The rest of the first-team offensive line Saturday: Austin Jackson at left tackle, Liam Eichenberg at left guard, Robert Hunt at right guard and Jesse Davis at right tackle.”

    And more from Barry Jackson (no paywall)
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/lined-first-team-miami-dolphins-202610317.html

  81. Krishna says:

    Let’s talk about the X game….lol.

    My fear, too, about X being leveraging with cancer. Hopefully, he’s not a little bitch.

    The article or interview with Byron Jones I posted, indicated X was engaged and studying film as teammates to get better. So there”s that.

  82. pheloniusphish says:

    600+ people died who had COVID. Not all of them died from COVID. And when you say 99% of the people dying now are unvaccinated, how many people are we talking? 99% of a million is different than 99% of 100. Throwing out percentages like they mean something is exactly the kind of fear porn I am talking about.

    • stangerx says:

      It’s a true stat. And it is 200-300 hundred of deaths that didn’t have to happen yesterday. And happens every day. And if 600k haven’t died from Covid how many have? If it is 400K and the same as how many died in WW2 is the difference significant?

      Just don’t get the backklash from real smart people like you. Country is free and open with a few exceptions. How does people getting vaccinated for Covid (or people encouraging it) impact your life? You clearly feel strongly about it.

  83. stangerx says:

    X spoke to the media today, Answers were pretty darn short except about Jone.
    ——————————————-
    — Asked during a brief interview session if he’s more optimistic or pessimistic that a deal will get done.

    “That’s up to the Dolphins. I’m just here with my teammates.”

    — How can the Dolphins fix it?

    “That’s up to them,”

    Asked if he hopes things get worked out here,.

    “Yeah, I hope so it gets better.”

    — If he doesn’t get traded and don’t get a reworked contract, is he OK with that?

    “I’m here,”

    — Asked if he has spoken with Brian Flores.

    “We talked but didn’t do nowhere.”

    — Howard was asked if he regrets referencing Byron Jones in his Instagram statement asking for a trade.

    “Me and Byron have got a great relationship. I don’t like the media saying what they’re saying about me and Byron. We have a great relationship. … It’s a business. The NFL’s a business. … He’s going to support me. I’m going to support him no matter what.”

    — Asked if he expects to play in preseason.

    “We’ll see when it gets here.”

    Full from Jackson (no paywall)
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/xavien-howard-said-first-interview-222120846.html

  84. Krishna says:

    Would love to see Deiter earn the center position this year and stay for a while…..not sure why, but feels good. Lol!

  85. bailbondmike says:

    It’s early but like what I am hearing about LB Brennan Scarlett. Wasn’t excited about his signing but maybe this defense is a better fit for the big dude.

  86. herdfan says:

    I saw a movie today in a theatre for the first time in over a year. Popcorn and a cherry coke. Nothing better. I was tempted to bring my leftover popcorn home with me.

  87. Phindog says:

    Fuck man , I got both vaccines and still chase parked cars and leave yard cigars in my neighborhood. Nothing has changed butt the drama mama’s pushing an agenda!!🐕

  88. The Flying Pig says:

  89. The Flying Pig says:

    Hearing a lot of positive things about Albert Wilson in training camp

  90. wyoming85 says:

    Oy Ve!

  91. CavalierKong says:

    From the Herald:

    TAGOVAILOA SHINES

    Quarterback Tua Tagovailoa delivered his best practice in the first week of training camp, perhaps his best ever in his two-year NFL career.

    Among the highights: a 63-yard TD pass to Albert Wilson, a deep pass to Adam Shaheen, another deep ball completion to Robert Foster and several strikes over the middle, to Jaylen Waddle (who made a diving catch) and Wilson.

    ▪ Here was the first team defense: Raekwon Davis, Zach Sieler and Emmanuel Ogbah at defensive end; Jerome Baker and Benadrick McKinney at inside linebacker; Andrew Van Ginkel in an edge/outside linebacker role; Byron Jones and Nik Needham on the boundary at cornerback; Justin Coleman in the slot.

    Eric Rowe and Jason McCourty were the starting safeties.

    It was interesting that Sieler worked ahead of Christian Wilkins on Saturday. And Needham worked ahead of Noah Igbinoghene in the boundary corner role normally filled by Howard. McCourty started ahead of rookie Jevon Holland.

    ▪ Tight end Mike Gesicki did not practice Saturday because of undisclosed medical reasons.

    Receiver Will Fuller and linebacker Jaelan Phillips also were out Saturday, but Brian Flores said their injuries are day to day, not week to week. Phillips was wearing a compression sleeve on his left leg.

    ▪ Drew Rosenhaus, the agent for Ogbah, has said he would like a contract extension for the defensive end. Ogbah will make $7.5 million this season in the second year of a two-year deal.

    “My agent is handling his job and I’m handling mine,” Ogbah said. “I always viewed myself staying here longterm, which is always a goal of mine, but whatever happens I’m going out here and ballling.”

    He said he skipped the voluntary part of the offseason program because “at the end of the day, it’s voluntary, so I didn’t really have to.”

    ▪ Robert Hunt said his move from right tackle to right guard is going well.

    “My reaction [to the switch] is I want to play. Whatever I can do to help this team and play, [I’ll do]. I haven’t played it in a while, but I’m trying to get used to it.”

    • stangerx says:

      “I always viewed myself staying here longterm, which is always a goal of mine, but whatever happens I’m going out here and ballling.”

      Thank you Ogbah for showing how a guy wanting a new contract should behave.

  92. wyoming85 says:

  93. herdfan says:

    bailbondmike says:
    July 31, 2021 at 7:53 pm
    What did you go see?

    Stillwater. Matt Damon in it. I guess it’s supposed to be loosely based on the Amanda Knox saga in Italy although this is set in Marseille. I have no idea how close it is, just that she has spoken out against it.

  94. manitobafinfan says:

    The better chance of being hit by lightning than dying from COVID comment was stated as vaccinated people, not as a whole …

  95. wyoming85 says:

  96. manitobafinfan says:

    Some reason I thought Scarlett was a RB.

  97. CavalierKong says:

    They reinstated the mask mandate here in Sac. With the Delta variant stuff happening, my wife, who takes this stuff more seriously than I do, has proposed we put off our trips this year, so it looks like I’m not going to Miami, Vegas, or Hawaii. And honestly, with the way things are going, Hawaii may end up reinstituting a bunch of requirements anyway if things keep going the way they are going, so screw the hassle anyway.

    So I guess ‘Kong World Tour 2021’ is officially cancelled 😦

    But on a brighter note, my racist mother-in-law will be visiting later this week…yay!

  98. wyoming85 says:

  99. wyoming85 says:

  100. herdfan says:

    I’ll not be attending the fest this year. Flying has become enough of a hassle without having to wear a mask and driving isn’t really an option. I can’t believe this is still going on.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      We have a trip plan for driving down for it via Nashville and back via Chicago, catching 3 games in the process, but Canada US border openings not progressing well. Ack up plan would be fly to Fest , then to Chicago see 9ers there Halloween and fly home from there .. third scenario is stay home and watch all on TV 😡

    • CavalierKong says:

      I was pretty concerned about my capability to wear a mask for 5-6 hrs. I don’t particularly like flying to begin with, but a mask on top of that – ugh.

  101. wyoming85 says:

  102. wyoming85 says:

    Travis Wingfield
    @WingfieldNFL
    ·
    2h
    Christian Wilkins collapses the pocket and rejects the pass from Brissett – nearly found it for an INT as it descended back to the earth
    Travis Wingfield
    @WingfieldNFL
    ·
    2h
    Tyshun Render great effort to retrace a quick-hitter to Grant
    Travis Wingfield
    @WingfieldNFL
    ·
    2h
    Adam Butler crashes in for a pressure as Tua throws over him to Waddle for a chunk gain on a crossing pattern

  103. wyoming85 says:

  104. wyoming85 says:

    I have flown 6 times since the lockdown started.

    Masks are a pain, but NOT living the way you want to is sorta like death already?

    • manitobafinfan says:

      Our fly plan would mean 12 hours of wearing a mask airport/plane/transfer plane … bad enough going that long without a cigarette.. 45 Mins at grocery store with a mask on and I’ve had enough…

    • Ken says:

      Totally agree with Wyoming on this

  105. CavalierKong says:

    I don’t look at not going on a trip this year as ‘death’, lol. But then again I am only in my 40’s, so I’ve likely still got plenty of time 😉

    • manitobafinfan says:

      We look at it as , for the last 18 months we have followed all direction and guidelines, missed having family get togethers, cancelled three planned trips , and a Super Bowl party , got double vaxed as were told , and now ya still ain’t allowing us to go away … never mind the fact that now ya saying cause we got Pfizer and Moderna AS WE WERE TOLD TO because government couldn’t supply enoughPfizer, that some places will not consider us vaxed !!!!

      • CavalierKong says:

        Are you saying you mixed the 1st and 2nd shots with one of each (as were told you could do) and now that may not be considered fully vaxxed? That suuuucks

      • manitobafinfan says:

        Yeah the country south of us says may not count as fully vaxed 😊

  106. CavalierKong says:

    It has been great that Tua hasn’t had a stinker of a practice that the talking heads could jump on. He seems to be having a good camp so far…

    • manitobafinfan says:

      His first day was less than stellar, and they were ALL OVER him … chillax , he got this 🤷‍♂️👍

      • CavalierKong says:

        Oh yeah, the 5 INT day in the monsoon when he was told to force stuff. See, I already forgot about that, lol.

  107. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    July 30, 2021 at 8:53 pm
    Why do you put that out? Almost seems demeaning. If didn’t get your point your chance to explain. No ill will was intended.
    ————
    No ill will on my part either, my friend. Just frustrated that you weren’t seeing the point of what we were talking about, hence the “*sigh*”. All good, new day, and we’re reset.

    I just really don’t want to lose X and feel we can meet halfway with him, man.

  108. manitobafinfan says:

    CavalierKong
    bookman11
    22m ago
    I’m kinda bummed, but I’ll keep working on the house instead. I guess I get that deck and BBQ area in the backyard that I want
    ……………

    Yeah we ordered a new garage and deck project in April thinking not going anywhere May as well make where we stuck nicer.. was to start June 15, surveyor just came last week, still at least three weeks from start… EPIC FAIL

  109. mf13ss says:

    Michael Deiter! So far, so good!

  110. Ken says:

    Don’t mind flying with a mask. Already did it to and from Florida earlier this year. 3 hour flight each way to go tour colleges with my son. Leaving Monday for Aruba. Over a five hour fleet. Is it ideal? No but it beats not being able to go anywhere

  111. CavalierKong says:

    Toba, that shows you how much I’ve been keeping up on this stuff. I had no idea that was a ‘Merica thing, lol.

  112. CavalierKong says:

    Deiter really has a strong following on this board.

  113. CavalierKong says:

    I’ve lost track of all the projects we’ve done on the house during COVID, not the least of which is installed all new flooring and got the exterior painted. We also remodeled the dining and kitchen areas, and I’ve had so much free time, the ‘honeydo’ list got demolished last year. And now I get a new deck, lol.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I also painted the entire interior right before we did the floors. That was fun not worrying about getting paint on the floor- and maybe getting a little bit more on the floor than was necessary…😳

      That was fun and highly recommended if you are ever redoing your floors…

  114. wyoming85 says:

    You mean ya’ll weren’t required to have a mask on all day unless you were eating or smoking?

    That must have been nice!

    • CavalierKong says:

      My employer requires a mask all day too (am assuming that is what you mean), so I have basically have taken the last year+ off. I’ll have to deal with this at some point, though because, like I said they just reinstituted the mask mandate here. :/

      Don’t you do physical work? That must be hell wearing a mask while working…

      • wyoming85 says:

        I don’t know about to much physical work? 😉

        But it’s outside, in the heat!

        Just got lifted 3 or 4 weeks ago. ( for Vaccinated folks )

  115. stangerx says:

    This from Tokyo is new to me…. but guess they have mixed doubles at the US Open.

  116. bailbondmike says:

    Herd – “although this is set in Marseille”
    ———————————-
    Ah Marseille, that is one place I would not mind going back to. That part of southern France was very nice. There is a ton of ancient Roman and Greek ruins in Marseille and cities around Marseille. I believe it is the oldest city in France. It was like 33 years ago when I went but I really liked it there.
    Just don’t go to McDonald’s there and order a beer with a salad. They will look at you crazy! Dude actually told me I could not have a beer with my salad only wine. Told me if I wanted a beer to order a burger. So I did. lol

  117. manitobafinfan says:

    I am an office worker , and thankfully we have not had to wear masks at the office the entire time … they did install shields between our pods , and gave us sanitizer to clean our spaces… sanitizing lasted a week

  118. wyoming85 says:

  119. bookman11 says:

    Is the Fest 10/24?

  120. Tim Knight says:

    Bookman, I apologize to you for that religious discussion we had awhile ago that I was told made you take a break from here. I like and respect you. I should have stopped and let it go but it was something that was irritating me not from anyone on this blog but from the things I saw people I know on Facebook were saying. I try to stay even keel most of the time but sometimes I rant about things when I’d be better off just zipping it. I’m sorry I upset you.

    • bookman11 says:

      Tim,
      We have been on this blog, or versions of it for a long, long time. You were one of the first people to respond to a post of mine years ago.
      We are good. We should all stick to football. If this all was in person it would be different.

      I really hope to meet you at a NE fest some day

      • Tim Knight says:

        Cool man!

        A lot of people here have been advocating for less political, religious or societal issues being discussed. Now that camp has started we should do that. I understand people wanting to discuss current events, but it seems to be a blame game most of the time.

        Go Phins!!!

  121. Tim Knight says:

    Sometimes it’s better to listen to the player than what others are saying.

  122. FLorida is getting its highest number of cases since the pandemic first began, and is leading the nation in the Delta variant
    Fl has consistently lagged the nation in effective treatment, because our governor doesnt care.

    desantis has lied about covid, fumbled the ball on covid, sent FL cops to the Arizona and Texas borders, but later accepted federal help on the sunrise condo collapse, and now wants to defund public schools for enacting safety measures!

    Desantis is doing everything he can, to make sure FLoridians are sick as possible, the sicker the better for him?
    its not better for us. we are paying with our lives for his anti -science fascism for profit schemes, and his tone deaf ignorance and stupidity, are making Florida the laughing stock of America

  123. desantis is bought off by major corporations that like to pollute , and sicken Floridians, and by short fund hedge managers, like the scumbag Ken Griffen, that want to manipulate and steal investors investments for themselves

    we will never have effective government at any levels, if thieves like Griffin, and corrupt corporations control them with their multi millions of support

    desantis IS the reptile in the Florida swamp

    • The Flying Pig says:

      My guess is he’s competing for a spot on special teams

      We are pretty deep at LB IMO

      • pheloniusphish says:

        I agree. Miami is deep at LB and his best shot is special teams. They may have brought him in just as inspiration.

  124. Piggy, did You hear about the new theme park coming in Winter Haven?, Peppa the Pig, lol

    Peppa the Pig will be next door to legoworld

  125. pheloniusphish says:

    stangerx says:
    July 31, 2021 at 7:05 pm
    It’s a true stat. And it is 200-300 hundred of deaths that didn’t have to happen yesterday. And happens every day. And if 600k haven’t died from Covid how many have? If it is 400K and the same as how many died in WW2 is the difference significant?

    Just don’t get the backklash from real smart people like you. Country is free and open with a few exceptions. How does people getting vaccinated for Covid (or people encouraging it) impact your life? You clearly feel strongly about it.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    We will never know how many people died from COVID. It was a bunch, but who knows what the real number was. We use the data that our government puts out. Like this:

    “CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually”

    Those ranges are so big as to mean the CDC has know idea. I, personally, have nothing against vaccination – I got it. Had to if I wanted any peace from my wife. Like Doggie, the military vaccinated me against pretty much every thing known to man. They gave me vaccinations that even they didn’t know what they for. Likewise with masks – My business is aviation security – I never stopped flying and I am in airports all the time where masks are required. I don’t like wearing them, but I do where I have to.

    The backlash is for the continued pushing of fear and the level of harassment that people are getting for not being vaccinated. The fear is not rational, it is not based on science because the science says variants like Delta tend to be more contagious but less severe, that masks do as much harm as good in some groups. People are scared because they are listening to government bureaucrats – people who work for the government because, by and large, they aren’t good enough to be exceptional in their fields. Like Fauci. The level of harassment is also groundless. If someone is unvaccinated and dies from COVID however remote the odds, so what? They made their choice. Vaccinated people who insist everyone get the shot are just making themselves feel better about their decision and about being scared.

    • this kind of misinformation, and attack on science and the medical industry, contributes to the problem

      we dont need more of this to solve the problem, we need less of it, addition by subtraction

      when anti science liars are profiting from attacking scientists, we have to be smart enough to see that their agenda is making money, and they dont care about us

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If you are vaccinated and you wear masks where you have to, you are actively taking measure to stop the spread of it

      Why are you doing that?

      • agreed, i got the moderna jab, and still wear a mask so as to not endanger others, especially children who are experiencing a wave of respiratory illnesses

        because i live in Florida, the worst state in the country for managing covid, i feel that Floridians have no choice but to try to defy desantis, and keep their families alive and safe
        but how to do that when desantis wont allow schools to have safety measures, while profiting from anti fauci shirts and hats?

        its a sick conflict of interest to profit from taxpayers deaths and hospitalizations, and try to drive more to the grave with anti safety measures at the same time

    • New Age says:

      Good post, Phelon. I haven’t seen any responses disputing this. Just people refusing to answer the basic question. If the vaccines are good enough, why are masks still needed? If you are vaccinated, what are the unvaccinated doing to harm you?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        People have answered that question before on this blog and there are plenty of answers to It out there

    • stangerx says:

      Guess this is the crux of your complaint then — “The level of harassment is also groundless.” Guess my take on it is what is the harassment? If one of Biden’s people shows up at your door and trys to talk you into it…. tell them to leave.

      If it is about being inconvenienced by health precautions then that is a different subject to me at least. And not intended against the individual…. so not harassment at all. Not crying a river for people who can’t take the cruise they want cause they refuse to get vaccinated.

      • stangerx says:

        BTW — that quote put out was about the stats for what has happened in flu seasons historically. Varies year to year.

  126. The Flying Pig says:

    If it pans out this way

    And of these guys are the players I think they are

    I’ll be very happy

  127. The Flying Pig says:

    I’m only couple of years removed from cheering about how happy I was when we drafted Deiter

    I wouldn’t call him a let down in his first two years, but I expected more from him

    I’m pretty sure the only reason he was moved to OG at Wisconsin is bc of how well Biadasz was playing as a rookie

    It’s not a new position for him

  128. Howard is now sounding like he wants to remain in Miami, not sure why hes all over the place publicly with this, i would have preferred he handled it differently
    its possible that Howards agent, Canter, is having Howard air his dirty laundry to put more public pressure on the Dolphins

    but i guess we cant rule out the chance that Miami and Howard will come to terms eventually, its still a possibility

  129. In the statement he issued upon reporting to Dolphins camp, cornerback Xavien Howard said he wants a trade and that he showed up to avoid daily fines of $50,000 until the team moves him.

    Howard left practice on Thursday with an ankle injury and it looked like that might be the start of a “hold in” that kept him off the field until the Dolphins granted his request. Howard was back on the practice field Saturday, however, and his comments to reporters later in the day were a bit softer than what he said in the statement.

    Howard referenced his desire for a new contract when he said it is “up to the Dolphins” to find a way to fix the relationship. He also said he’s hopeful that can happen.

    “Sure. I hope it gets better,” Howard said. “It’s a process. I’m hearing this and hearing that but nothing is getting done right now. Right now, I’m just here — out here every day, supporting the team and out here working.”

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/01/xavien-howard-i-hope-it-gets-better-its-up-to-dolphins/

  130. Jakeem Grant has looked good in practice, i wonder if the Dolphins will find a way to retain him?

    he doesnt appear to be needed on paper, the Dolphins are loaded at WR, but on the field?

    Parker, Fuller, and Williams are out with injuries, we dont look so loaded at WR when so many of them arent taking the field

  131. steveccnv says:

    PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA

    Letters
    We should have listened
    By Letters to the Editor
    EDITOR:

    A famous person from the 1960s words speak to the turmoil today in America. I won’t reveal his name until the end for impartiality.

    “The white liberals, who have been posing as our friends, have failed us. The white liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the black man.”

    “White liberals are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the black man as our ‘friend’ to get our sympathy, our allegiance and our minds. The white liberal attempts to use us politically against white conservatives, so that anything the black man does is never for his own good, never for his advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal.”

    “I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make us think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white liberal. The only way that our problems will be solved is when the black man wakes up, cleans himself up, stands on his own two feet, stops begging the white liberal and takes immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white liberal to do for us.”

    “The media’s the most powerful entity on Earth. They have the power to make the innocent look guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the mind of the masses.”

    “The Democrats are playing you for a political chump and if you vote for them, not only are you a chump, you are a traitor to your race.”

    The person who spoke these words was Malcolm-X. He was assassinated two days after expressing the last quote. How ironic. Just saying.

    50+ years later everything he said is still true

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t know why you posted this

      No one was talking about race or Malcolm X

      It’s completely inflammatory to post some white knuckling angry letter to an editor calling white liberals racist

      Please stop posting trash like this

    • ocalarob says:

      Yeah Steve, stop posting this shit, your exposing piggy & giving away his secret agenda, how dare you LOL!

      • The Flying Pig says:

        It would be funny if you guys didn’t actually believe in schizophrenic secret agendas

        Tomorrow if you wake up and David is posting letters to the editor about how racist some one thinks conservatives are, you’ll know why….

        Don’t be turds and post antagonistic shit for the sake of posting antagonistic shit

    • reallly lame stuff steve, SMH

  132. New Age says:

    Tua getting in lots of practice with the deep ball. Not going to lie, I’m disappointed to see Parker and Fuller not practicing. Seems like they are always injured, and the data backs it up.

    • Krishna says:

      Always…..injured….and even when not in pads. Geez, loueez.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Waddle and Wilson might not be a bad starting pair if it comes to it

      But we certainly have a lot of injury stints from out WR core

      On paper it’s deep, if they aren’t out there though – what’s the point

  133. Phindog says:

    On a political point , I can still drop a yard cigar in my neighborhood. And I can fly the American Flag 🇺🇸Without triggering someone. Life is good !!

  134. Phindog says:

    Oh and more importantly my Mom turned 89 today. Happy Birthday to one of the best persons on the planet. You folks would love her if you ever met her.🐕 Some of you know what she has gone through the last couple of years. Happy Birthday Mom!!

  135. Phindog says:

    SBJ !! Is all I can say.🐕

  136. bailbondmike says:

    TDS and DDS are severe mental illnesses.

    DeSantis is a good governor and I odered a T-shirt. lol

  137. pheloniusphish says:

    Well, now we know why they carried 14 WR into camp.

  138. pheloniusphish says:

    Piggy – To answer your question above, I wear a mask where they are required, because I have to. I don’t wear it where they are not.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      That’s generally what I do to

      But there is usually some rhyme or reason to why they are required

      They are required in Nyc on the subway and on buses – guess why? Lol

  139. ocalarob says:

    got news on the building collapse, they added pavers on the concrete pool deck, this included a layer of sand underneath the pavers, that’s a lot of weight, now add the water weight as it is absorbed by the sand underneath, you could see the pool deck was always wet even though it was sloped to a drain, the drain probably came up to the top of the pavers. couldn’t drain the moisture in the sand, with no place to go it permeated the concrete and destroyed the rebar, when the pool deck gave way a structural beam tied to the building sheered away taking with it the support column for the building causing the structure to collapse.
    A chain of events.
    i wouldn’t want to be the contractor who installed the pavers or the people who gave them the ok to do it.

    • Mike E. says:

      Man, that’s just fucking tragic . . .

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Did that structural beam sheer away overnight?

      Or did it occur over weeks, months or years?

      Seems to me that if I happened over time, inspections should have caught it or prevented it from collapsing

  140. Mike E. says:

    With the number of cases soaring lately, it looks like we may be headed back to more mask regulations, limited capacities again in restaurants, and possibly very limited capacities in restaurants. I feel so freaking bad for owners of those restaurants. This sucks!!! Just as they finally were able to make back some of the terrible losses they incurred, they’re gonna get hit again. It looks like the vaccine by itself is not going to be the savior they claimed it would be. No question they made it seem like if we could get 70-80% vaccination rates we’d be fine, and here in NJ we’re about there, but fine we are not! I’m starting to feel like those people that keep screaming “science” can take the “science” and shove it up their ass! When 12 players on the Washington Nationals get COVID-19 and 11 of them were vaccinated, that’s fucked up

    • ocalarob says:

      3000 new cases in the last 2 weeks in Marion County where i live

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I dont think we are heading to where we were before

      But for us here in the northeast, the true test will come when it gets colder

      I don’t expect widespread closures like before
      But maybe more mask mandates again, we will see

      The numbers are relatively low in terms fatality
      And the vaccine is giving us some positive data about both new cases, seriousness of it and fatalities

      The real key is keeping hospitals from being overwhelmed

      In terms of the delta, I tend to think the things we are doing now already are enough without returning to the way it was

      Vaccines, Working from home when possible, outdoor dining – a lot of the things we have done over the last couple of years are helping IMO

      You just gotta play it by ear and get to exercise good judgment along the way

      It will be really tough on the economy to go through another round of closures and there’s room for that to be part of the discussion

      • New Age says:

        I agree that what we’ve already done is working(vaccines). Virus variants are known to be less virulent and more contagious. Does any real data dispute this? Most people are either vaccinated or have had Covid at this point. Going after kids and youth rubs me wrong when the elderly are already mostly vaccinated(their choice at this point). I wear masks at work but only because it’s forced not because of any scientific data that reinforces that it works… because it doesn’t. Vaccination is fine with me(unless you had Covid like me) but I’m tired of this mask stupidity.

  141. bailbondmike says:

    I read an article done by NBC News yesterday. They did the numbers from 38 states as of 7/26/21 there have been over 126,000 breakthrough infections in people who were fully vaccinated so far. They said it comes out to about 1 out of every 1300 fully vaccinated people are getting sick and testing positive. That is a low %, however, they feel the % is somewhat deflated and is higher in reality because there are many who are asymptomatic and don’t get tested but are carriers of an active virus and can spread it.

    Though, the article went on to say, (to Piggyback what Piggy said above) the number of serious infections remain low.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I dont think delta variant is less dangerous though, for the record

      I just think a lot of the precautions people have taken are working

      • bailbondmike says:

        I can see that, I just hear some of the “experts” may be starting to lean that way. Who freaking really knows though. Not only the precautions but we are better at treating it.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Much better at treating and really preventing it

        The highest fatality rate was when it first hit the US

        The second wave wasn’t nearly as harmful as March through may of 2020

  142. bailbondmike says:

    Hope they don’t get mask crazy. Heading to Gatlinburg tomorrow.

  143. The Flying Pig says:

    Other than the fact the masks making my beard look like shit, I don’t mind them so much

    Biggest setback is I don’t ever know of a pretty woman is smiling back at me or calling me a creeper under her breath – maybe it’s best not to know

  144. The Flying Pig says:

  145. The Flying Pig says:

    Is that a pick?

  146. The Flying Pig says:

    Looks like practice is packed to me

  147. The Flying Pig says:

    The Bills are threatening to leave Buffalo once again

  148. The Flying Pig says:

  149. The Flying Pig says:

  150. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, Wilson has also been lining up outside. I think we’re going to mix and match all of our WRs inside and out.

    • stangerx says:

      Think you are going to see Waddle all over the place. Wilson has that versatility as well. Gonna be those guys that when you see where they are hoping the the opposing D is wondering if they have the right guy covering.

  151. The Flying Pig says:

    Maybe we will run a lot of 4 WR sets with Wilson, Fuller, Parker and Waddle on the field together

    I’m not a huge fan of it but maybe even some empty backfield stuff with Gesicki on the field with those 4 WRs

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think we’ll definitely see some of that. Mainly against teams who aren’t deep in the secondary. Mismatch football.

  152. Mike E. says:

    Piggy, I have to wear a mask every effing day and was hoping if we got things under control, they’d lift the mask requirements in healthcare facilities. It’s more than likely now that it will be extended until further notice. It could be a loooooooong time. I’m so tired of wearing a mask all day long, it’s annoying.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t blame you. I don’t wear one at home (obviously) so when I work for, no,e I don’t

      And in the office I can close my door and take it off even when we have mask restrictions in the building – but rIght now we don’t have mask restrictions

  153. Tim Knight says:

    Based on traded draft picks from the gbnreport, these will be our picks in 2022. We’ll still have extra picks, just not as high as in recent years.
    1, 2, 3a., 3b., 4a., 4b., 5, 6, 7a., 7b.
    https://gbnreport.com/future-traded-picks/

  154. Tim Knight says:

    Having draft capital like that also allows us to trade up for a special player, instead of adding a bunch of rookies. It gives you options.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If we are drafting 32, as I expect, it’s gonna take a lot to get into the top 10

      • Tim Knight says:

        We have the 49ers 1st so it depends on where they finish. I wasn’t saying top 10 though, just that if we wanted to move up even if it’s like 14-16 for a prospect we have high on our board, we have the picks to do something like that.

  155. wyoming85 says:

  156. wyoming85 says:

  157. Krishna says:

    Wow…..how does that happen?

    So rigorous testing and tracing this year to prevent forfeits and losing whole position groups.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I know it’s cautionary but it doesn’t even mean any of these guys are feeling sick. They just tested positive. In the past it was if a player or coach had a bug, they sent them home so not to spread it to the rest of the team. But there are a whole new set of rules these days.

    • stangerx says:

      Sounds like Godsey tested positive and his close contacts were placed on the Covid list. They’ll get tested and if don’t have it will be back in a couple of days. If they do will be longer.

      • Mike E. says:

        Yes, correcto Stanger

      • Tim Knight says:

        This is going to be a problem for the entire league during the season. Being vaccinated doesn’t seem to matter.

        The one thing we learned during the pandemic was that wearing masks, gloves and sanitizing cut down on the common flu and other colds etc. Because let’s be honest, humans are disgusting in general. You go into a grocery store and you have no idea what someone else spread on a door handle, a shopping cart or whatever. Those practices still help in stopping the spread of infectious diseases.

        So many people who got the vaccine are acting like it’s over and we’re good. No you’re obviously not. Continuing to be more sanitary will go along way for all of us.

      • Krishna says:

        “Because let’s be honest, humans are disgusting in general.”

        LOL….pretty much!

      • stangerx says:

        Tim — people who are vaccinated still get Covid, no doubt about that. Less likely than those who haven’t gotten their shots, but yeah the Covid list should have a lot of entries this year. Seems makes health protocols make sense to keep guys on the field.

  158. Tim Knight says:

    Think about when someone gets food poisoning at a restaurant. Why did that happen? The food items weren’t handled properly and/or the conditions in the establishment were unsanitary. Human error. We need to start being cleaner.

  159. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, just like everything else, I think we’re treating COVID in an extreme way rather than rational. Nobody knows how well the vaccine will work, but being sanitary definitely helped and we know that for sure. That practice should remain in many instances. Like public places cleaning at a higher level than the same dirty rag being used on every table as an example. That’s not cleaning, that’s wiping the same dirty rag on everything. Know what I mean?

  160. olddolphan says:

    SCHOOLS OPEN UP in Tampa Bay on August 10. Reports of positve Covid tests currently are at record rates for Florida (over 21,600 yesterday). Positive rates expected to DOUBLE AGAIN by Labor Day. And, still, Gov. De Santis favors banning masks from public schools, even for those kids under 12 for whom NO VACCINE CURRENTLY EXISTS!!!!!
    ——————————–
    LAWSUITS on this issue are a sure thing. Hopefully our governor will find the “on” button for his brain real soon.
    ——————————-
    AS YOU KNOW, my oldest daughter is fighting for her life in North Carolina (leukemia). Fortunately, the Cancer Hospital in Chapel Hill REQUIRES ALL EMPLOYEES to be vaccinated!!
    Meanwhile, over 40% of Florida’s senior care employees ARE NOT VACCINATED!! Don’t send any of your older relatives to such facilities!!

    • Tim Knight says:

      If you really want a vaccine, let the science learn why we have COVID in the first place. Just like everything else, nip it in the bud. Destroy the source.

  161. wyoming85 says:

    So If I forget how I want to live and do what you want me to do, you will be happy?

    If I live my life and you do what you think you need to do, you are pissed off?

    I’m confused??????????

    • stangerx says:

      Far as I am concerned you can live your life exactly how you want and in whatever legal way you want. Have a feeling am missing your point and who you were talking to though.

      • wyoming85 says:

        The board!
        But it seems to be split on the subject??????

      • stangerx says:

        People have strong opinions on the Covid stuff on both sides of it. That just a fact. So yeah seems split to an extent.

  162. wyoming85 says:

    Don’t get me wrong! I hate the “public”!

    I’m the poster child for lockdowns, because I don’t go anywhere anyway!

  163. steveccnv says:

    OD you have personal reasons for wanting everyone to be vaccinated and I can respect that, so this post isn’t for you.

    We know the numbers aren’t accurate, they’ve been manipulated by medical facilities for financial gain.

    We know the delta variant is more contagious, but less deadly, and compares more to the flu, so why the new mask mandates, when we never did it before for the flu?

    Control, these people just want to stay in power.

    When someone is tested several times and tests positive each time, a new count is registered for each test. This isn’t new it’s been happening from the beginning.

    Who are you going to believe, those that have something to gain or those that have something to lose?

  164. steveccnv says:

    IMO they want the illusion of covid to last until the mid-terms in 2022, so they can again manipulate

  165. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    August 1, 2021 at 4:59 pm
    Based on traded draft picks from the gbnreport, these will be our picks in 2022. We’ll still have extra picks, just not as high as in recent years.
    1, 2, 3a., 3b., 4a., 4b., 5, 6, 7a., 7b.
    https://gbnreport.com/future-traded-picks/
    ———————-
    That’s none too shabby and I’ll take that all day and every day! 😀

    Now for entertainment purposes ONLY and being we’re overloaded at the WR position: suppose we stayed @ R1P12, instead of trading back up to R1P6. We’d still have another 1st rounder next year and may have come away with Micah Parsons.

    Coulda, woulda, shoulda behind us… I’m VERY happy to have Jaylen Waddle on our team: he’s going to be a future Pro-Bowler and quite possibly more.

    GO WADDLE!!!
    GO PHINS!!!
    HELL YEAH!!!

  166. steveccnv says:

    If there’s data showing we should be wearing masks, why doesn’t the CDC release it?

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t want to wear a mask all the time either. We’ve lived most of our lives not doing that. But preventing schnoz spraying and coughing spurts is better than the vaccine. Until we figure out how to eliminate this fucker.

  167. wyoming85 says:

    Stanger I was a little tounge in cheek.
    But that seems to be how both arguments go?

    • stangerx says:

      Thing is no one is making anyone do anything. Makes for a good debate though.

      • wyoming85 says:

        Hmmmmmmmmm?
        A mandate isn’t just telling people what to do?
        Even a vote just gets the majority what they want!

      • stangerx says:

        Just haven’t heard about people being strapped down and getting shot with the vax. There’s policy and then there is individual liberty. Think both very important.

      • steveccnv says:

        There’s mandates and there’s poison pills. Is there really that much dufference?

      • steveccnv says:

        Does it really have to be a hard mandate before it takes away from liberties?

      • stangerx says:

        Least makes a difference to me steve. Really pisses me off when the snowflake liberals talk about this and that rights that really aren’t. People need to man up.

  168. Tim Knight says:

    M13, we wanted a more pure edge guy like Phillips over Parsons. I know Parsons went before him but we passed on him at #6. We have Baker, McKinney and Van Ginkel who can play inside and out. When we passed on certain guys and positions it told us we’re cool with some guys we have already. We shall see. This is Grier and Flores’ team.

    • mf13ss says:

      Tim Knight says:
      August 1, 2021 at 8:14 pm
      Move on brother, we loved Waddle. It’s not about depth, it’s about what kind of player he is.
      —————–
      I agree with absolutely EVERYTHING you said here, and @ 8:31 PM.

      Just trying to stir some football convo, nothing more! 😉

  169. Tim Knight says:

    I love reading our local reporters saying so and so was working with the 2nd and 3rd teams not the starters. How many years do we have to go through this? All teams want to see how different combinations work together. This isn’t a digital robot situation, it’s about versatility and depth. On game day you need players who can do more than one thing. This goes on every year. LOL

    • mf13ss says:

      It’s all good, so long as we football minds understand the charade (and we DO!). Yessir, this happens every single year!

  170. mf13ss says:

    Saw a video earlier today, ranking the NFL’s Defenses going into 2021. We came in at #18. Rationale? We lost Shaq Lawson and KVN, plus X isn’t going to be here.

    Woah, slow your roll, video creator! We likely upgraded with McKinney and Phillips, plus X’s situation could very well be smoothed over before it’s all said and done. What’s more, Iggy’s coming on strong even IF X isn’t here.

    Quite honestly and barring injury, I think we’re going to have a top-8 Defense… maybe even top-5 this year. And the Jevon Holland pick just might be the one that puts us over the top.

    • mf13ss says:

      Yes, I wanted Richie Grant BADLY! But I’ve really come around on why we picked Jevon Holland. I dare any team to sleep on our Defense.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think top 5 is possible based on how Flores and Co. view playing matchup defense. It’s just a stat though. The main stat is points allowed no matter how you pull it off and win games. You need to be plus points as opposed to against. Turnovers are huge in those stats. That’s it!

      That and Tua. We all know Tua being what he was once projected to be is key. He was known for more big plays and positives than negatives. That’s it!

  171. mf13ss says:

    For those that didn’t already hear, Belicheat* announced that Cam Newton is the starter for the Patsies*.

  172. Tim Knight says:

    M13, I know we open with the Pats in NE. If we lose that game I’ll be totally bummed. We have more talent than them. I’m not sold on their FA spending spree with TEs. Really, nobody can cover Smith and Henry? Who are their WRs? Our defense needs to destroy the backfield. They’re not that good.

    • mf13ss says:

      It will be a STATEMENT VICTORY should we win week 1 against the Patsies*, and I believe we can do it, and for the reasons you state.

      Me too… I’ll be bummed if we lose that one.

  173. mf13ss says:

    To y’all who are talking politics, don’t let anyone stop ya. Just know that I back Steve 100% if and when I join in… but I’d rather not join in with football season nearly here.

    I’m READY for football!

  174. Tim Knight says:

    Asking an honest question. How much confidence do you have in Tua? I feel 70-30. Something like that. I think his intangibles are better than pure physical skill. But he has a mix of both. That’s my feeling about him. I could be wrong. LOL

    • bailbondmike says:

      I am there now Tim. After you posted that video of his presser. IMO, it was a totally different guy speaking up there. You can see the confidence.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I’m giving it roughly even odds.

      I’m feeling 51.47% he’ll make great strides this year, 47.41% he won’t make a big enough leap, and 1.12% that he’ll retire and start a traveling theatre troupe as the musical star playing a young, lonely chimney sweep with a heart of gold who just can’t seem to avoid the hijinks and escapades that keep his life in a constant state of turmoil.

      I could be wrong too, lol.

  175. ocalarob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    August 1, 2021 at 2:03 pm
    Did that structural beam sheer away overnight?

    Or did it occur over weeks, months or years?

    Seems to me that if I happened over time, inspections should have caught it or prevented it from collapsing
    ___________________________________________________

    No, it happened when the pool deck collapsed

    there was one beam that tied the pool deck and the parking lot below the pool deck together with the main structure, it was an odd ball beam, (lower than the rest), over a period of time the sand underneath the pavers absorbed the rain water, it had no place to go other than through the porous concrete, that exposure caused the concrete and steel supporting the pool deck to fail, right below the pool deck was the parking on the ground floor.
    the slab punched through the columns at the pool deck causing it to collapse, when it collapsed it drug everything with it including the one odd ball beam, that beam was tied to a column supporting the main structure.
    like dominoes when that beam was dragged away from the structure it took an underneath column supporting the building with it. that cascaded into total failure.
    if the beam hadn’t been there just the pool deck would have collapsed on the underneath cars.
    like that game where you take the blocks out one by one until the pile collapses. the column that was pulled away caused the structure to collapse.

  176. ocalarob says:

    there was no way to know the pool deck was deteriorating other than the pealing paint that was shown in pics from below in the parking garage, the fault was hidden underneath the pavers.
    still, no one could predict total failure in that circumstance.

    the fault lies with whomever decided to put pavers on the pool deck, it’s very obvious as you can see on a bright sunny day through realtor pics the pavers were always damp.

    a two fold deal,
    1. the enormous weight of the pavers, sand & rain water on the pool deck
    2. the weakening of the pool deck by the standing water in the sand.

    caused the failure.

  177. olddolphan says:
    August 1, 2021 at 7:18 pm
    SCHOOLS OPEN UP in Tampa Bay on August 10. Reports of positve Covid tests currently are at record rates for Florida (over 21,600 yesterday). Positive rates expected to DOUBLE AGAIN by Labor Day. And, still, Gov. De Santis favors banning masks from public schools, even for those kids under 12 for whom NO VACCINE CURRENTLY EXISTS!!!!!
    ——————————–
    LAWSUITS on this issue are a sure thing. Hopefully our governor will find the “on” button for his brain real soon.

    __________________

    not gonna happen OD< Desantis has found a way to profit from Floridians deaths, he got what he wanted,
    his lies have endangered human lives but enriched his bank account.

    hes all about himself, and his thievery contributors like ken Griffen
    he made a big deal about Foreign labor at the border, but corporations, and billionaires like trump, LOVE to hire hundreds of foreign employees every year, when those jobs could be filled by Americans

    desantis is alot like trump, hypocritical liar that profits from American demise

    trump is the leader of making deaths and safety political, he admitted lying about it to downplay it, and went out of his way to make things confusing for some, so they can become vulnerable sheep to control

    its impossible to make it non political now, the trumptards enjoy losing so much, they want others to lose too

    the unvaccinated hypocrites, have set the country up for a big fail, they wear a seat belt when the government tells them too, but wont keep their children safe from diseases

    do they really need the government to tell them to keep their children safe? shouldnt the default already be set at keeping our children safe?

    any political party , or governor, that endangers children for profit, is a total shitshow

  178. https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/08/deshaun-watson-25/

    lol NFL news is getting weirder,,,,

    watson told the masseuse, dont be afraid to go inside his butt

  179. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Kong!! That’s great

  180. sb7mvp says:

    At this point, I’m about 60/40 in confidence on Tua alone. His surrounding cast really worries me though. A lot of things need to happen and come together to get this O in the right direction.

  181. bailbondmike says:

    Maybe our great Governor is FOLLOWING THE SCIENCE based on CDC numbers where 0.04% of COVID deaths over the last 18 months were in children between ages of 0 to 18 years old. It’s not even a half of a tenth of a percent. The world wide numbers in child deaths are even lower at 0.03%.

    One third of those US child deaths had underlying conditions.

    During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, 358 pediatric flu-related deaths were reported to CDC from April 2009 to September 2010. That is very close to the number of deaths over the same number of months as COVID. A normal influenza season kills about 200 children a year.

    Maybe he is just following the science and letting parents decide what PPE they want their children to use instead of the government deciding for them.

  182. Mike E. says:

    I feel confident that Tua is doing everything he can to be the best player he can be. As far as how that translates to his game play, that remains to be seen. He’s been working hard, that’s all you can ask from a player.

    • steveccnv says:

      I agree, and based on what I knew of his past work ethic, it was a given its what he’d do.

      If he used those examples, when he interviewed with our FO, they should have the same thoughts and likely a reason he was our pick

    • steveccnv says:

      Before the draft it was mentioned by most on here, that the only issue they had were his injuries, and don’t remember anyone having an issue with his ability.

      After his rookie season some don’t feel the same way, but is that warranted?

  183. steveccnv says:

    Thursday is the HOF game Pitt vs Dallas

  184. steveccnv says:

    In retrospect, some people view Wilkins as a poor draft selection. They’re getting similar production from Zach Sieler and didn’t use a first round draft choice on him. Wilkins has the potential to turn that narrative around and so far he looks determined to do that in 2021.

    Typical U75 comment, if you want to say he hasn’t performed up to draft status OK, but to compare him to a vet, that has vastly outperformed his draft status makes no sense.

    Tua is a bust, because Romo wasn’t drafted and played much better

    • steveccnv says:

      I call bs. I bet nothing has changed.

      When you sign a guy early, in Xs case with 1 year left on his current contract, you receive $ from the new contract and insurance from injury in a year you normally would still be making rookie $.

      His avg per year is 15m, because some of that money was paid out in 2019, he’s not actually getting paid 15m in any of the years following.

      Think that’s what his problem is and why I say he wants to have his cake…

  185. ocalarob says:

    did i mention tua sucks?

  186. ocalarob says:

    gaskin will have to line up in the backfield with a step ladder, when tua drops back he can step up on it and finally see his recs

  187. The Flying Pig says:

    ORob

    We are having a cake made for you in September, so you can at least enjoy putting your foot in your mouth about Tua

  188. steveccnv says:

    Just read an ask… column. The guy with his brother each put in 10k to buy a house, but he moved out and left the state a year later.

    8 years later his brother wants to sell and just give him his 10k back.

    The expert from the column says his brother should deduct any fixes on the property and taxes from his share.

    Are people really that clueless?

    If his brother deducts the taxes and maintenance costs from his share, then he’d be paying all the maintenance and taxes.

    What he’s supposed to do is take half of the amount out, so each would be paying half the taxes and half the expenses.

    An ex tried to pull something similar with me, when we sold our house

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m just trying to figure out how it only costs 20k for a house

    • CavalierKong says:

      What about equity based on value? 8 years after purchase the value of the house likely would have increased which should mean his 10k investment also increased.

      If you and I put 10k each on a house valued at 100k, and you want to sell for 200k eight years later, you should still get the lions share assuming you are paying the mortgage increasing your own stake, but my 10k is worth more too.

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