Tom Brady’s Angel Soft Balls, and Why That’s a Bad Thing . . .

By New Age

We all know what happened in the AFC Championship game. Every single ball they had used (11 of them) was under the specified PSI…every single ball. Now some Pats fans will try to redirect and discuss the Colts balls or even try to use pseudo-science like the Ideal Gas Law. These puny attempts only reinforce the ideas that all homers are blind and that scientists can be easily bought. Even if the science would work out, it was the responsibility of the Patriots to provide legal balls to the game. Like these:

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No Tom! These!

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Tommy Boy did not cooperate with the investigation and some pretty damning texts insinuated that he knew the balls were soft. It would be very hard to believe a guy ,whose only job since college was throwing a pigskin, wouldn’t know anything about how they feel. Especially since he successfully lobbied to have his own people check his game balls every week.  Brady said. “Our equipment guys do a great job with breaking the balls in. They have a process that they go through. When I pick those balls out, at that point to me they are perfect.” His own words on what his expectations were every week.

Now to see why this is a big deal.
http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007
TLDR version- Patriots went from a middle of the road team in fumbles every year to being almost perfect for 8 straight years. They went from middle of the pack in TO differential to a top 5 team four of the past five years. Turnovers win games. Here’s a video from NFL.com to further showcase this:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000305997/Blount-35-yard-TD-run

This is an amazing play. What is even more amazing is that it is pouring rain during this game. Blount who averaged 1 fumble per 49 carries elsewhere carries the ball with very little security in this video. Somehow, he is able to also extend that ball for the TD and hold on in the pouring rain until his falling weight helps knock it out. Is this possible with a properly deflated ball in the hands of a serial fumbler? Sure. Likely? Not at all.

What other benefits does a deflated ball give? It’s is easier to handle in bad weather, and easier to catch. So these benefits can be enormous for a bad weather team like the Patriots. Are these advantages the only reason the Patriots are a good team? No. But in a league of top athletes and parity, every incremental advantage can be the difference. The Patriots used deflated balls against the Ravens and barely won a close game. Would they have won without these advantages? I don’t know and that is the problem.

Does it matter in the long run if he cheats? As a Dolphins fan who watched this:

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I know how refs can influence any game, especially a game full of Pittsburgh refs.

Anyone that watches the NBA knows about the damaging proof that a cheating ref influenced the outcome of games. It damaged the game no matter how much they still bring in. As mentioned several times lately, the refs still influence the outcomes of NBA games. It is not healthy for that sport.

Tom Brady and Bill Belichick have damaged the game with their incessant cheating and the success that has followed. The NFL was wrong in just slapping his wrist for hurting the integrity of the game twice! Don Shula proved that you don’t have to cheat to win. Unfortunately, Roger Kraftell has encouraged the Patriots to cheat their way to the playoffs for years. Eventually, any team can win at that point and they aren’t just any team.

In other news, the Patriots just picked up a FA QB to compete with Jimmy G. His name is:

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352 Responses to Tom Brady’s Angel Soft Balls, and Why That’s a Bad Thing . . .

  1. Mike E. says:

    Kong

    Gotcha – It’s very silly!

  2. Tim Knight says:

    Ken, I don’t consider that lawyer using deflating as a weight losing angle as keen at all. That’s what makes people hate lawyers. They say things everyone knows is BS and somehow the dumb fucking law allows it. Anyone who believes that is an idiot.

  3. CavalierKong says:

    Well, this was fun. Posted to bash the Pets for idiocy and got to argue with lawyers for an hour instead, lol. I’m kind of glad lunch is over. 🙂

    Cheers, fellas.

    • Tim Knight says:

      You went to lunch to get a delicious cheese burger and fries and somehow ended up with a banana and molasses sandwich on Melba toast with a side of bean sprouts. LOL

  4. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Kong! Later bud!

  5. The Flying Pig says:

  6. jahndoh says:

    To the Lawyers on the board: What do you think of the fact that the Wells investigation costed 4 million?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      That firm is a huge white shoe firm
      they bill the shit out of their clients

      I would love to make 4M for a few months of work
      but that is not reality for most of us

      • Mike E. says:

        I think it goes hand in hand with a multi billion dollar corporation such as the NFL is. They have big bucks at stake, and they pay the big bucks to get it right.

    • stangerx says:

      Was that $4 mil reported as fact? That’s hefty even by top prices. Thousand an hour is a fairly top price. Obviously others were involved, but even if it was at that top earner amount……turns into 4,000 hours. That’s one hundred regular work weeks.

      • jahndoh says:

        I didn’t fact check it, I just read it somewhere. The Pat’s retort website did cite multiple attorneys from Mr. Well’s firm at each interview and the whole investigation did take some time, so it may pencil out, but I was more wondering if that led to any objectivity doubts your (collective) minds.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Good point
        Its impossible really
        if you worked 16 hours a day you can bill 4000 hours in 250 days

        I guess there could have been a dozen lawyers working on it
        They were probably working on it for about 120 days

      • stangerx says:

        It’s a huge amount (hence the thousand hours at top dollar comment). But if it is was right and the check is coming from the NFL…..surely we have to assume Wells is smart enough to read the signature on the check.

  7. The Flying Pig says:

    Doubts about the merit of the report? No

    Doubts about whether 4M was actually paid? Yes

    Lawyers bill by the hour and it takes a lot to get to 4M

    • jahndoh says:

      Please see my reply to Stanger. The Patriots themselves cited 4 different attorneys in the interview with one of the equipment guys. IF it’s true, (and again as per that post, I didn’t fact check it) then I’m sure it pencils out somehow. But moreover I wondered if it brought credibility of the findings into question for you guys. (again, assuming it’s true).

      Quick google check. Per the Boston Globe:
      “Wells said during the call that his investigation will “no question” cost “in the millions of dollars.” He said that he bills by the hour.”

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Article VIII of the NFL constitution gives the commissioner, and by proxy the league office, “full, complete and final jurisdiction” to resolve disputes. It also gives the commissioner “complete authority” to issue discipline for rules violations. Finally, Article IX expressly prohibits public criticism of the league by member clubs, stating: “All complaints or criticism … shall be made to the Commissioner only and shall not be publicized directly or indirectly.”

      • jahndoh says:

        Take their 2016 2nd and 3rd rounders and their 2017 2nd rounder too. I thought Tom didn’t get enough based on the infraction and his failure to cooperate with the investigation, so what the hell. Throw the book at the club.

  8. getterdone says:

    New York Yankees great Jorge Posada retired after the 2011 season, he recently published his autobiography, and he’s letting his opinions fly in a book tour. If it were up to Posada, the Hall of Fame wouldn’t allow players such as Alex Rodriguez because of performance-enhancing drugs.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25183374/jorge-posada-no-hall-of-fame-for-a-rod-because-of-peds

  9. The Flying Pig says:

    Jahn

    I do think the league has to consider penalizing them a 2nd time now

  10. getterdone says:
  11. getterdone says:

    On Wednesday night, it was announced that Beckham beat out Rob Gronkowski and will be featured on Madden 16’s cover. Without this catch, there’s probably no way he tops Gronk in any kind of vote.

    blob:https%3A//vine.co/df086edb-7aac-435d-b2ae-6a29383eb818

  12. The Flying Pig says:

    Reenactment of Goodell vs Patriots

  13. getterdone says:

    Free agent Steven Jackson wants to continue his playing career, but only for a competitive team.
    “I don’t want to go to a team that is rebuilding and needs me to come on and teach guys how to be professional,” Jackson said. “I want to be part of a winning team because when I do hang up my cleats, I can see a lot of people holding that over my head when a lot of it was out of my control.” Jackson is “fully aware” he might not find a taker. S-Jax has yet to make a visit in free agency, and two months shy of his 32nd birthday, may have played his final down.
    __________________________________
    He’s a beast, 6’2 240. Had 6 TD’s for a poor Falcons team last year. Someone will grab him before pre-season ends.

    • Mike E. says:

      He’s got a lot of wear and tear on that body though.

      • getterdone says:

        But he’s back to being healthy now, and no one would expect him to be a feature 3 down back or lets say get over 12-15 carries a game.
        Imagine having a nice lead late in game. You send him in fresh to wear out a already tired defense and run clock!

      • Mike E. says:

        You’re not suggesting him for us, are you? I think we have solid depth with Miller, Ajayi and Williams and/or Gillislee or whoever wins the 4th spot, if we carry 4 RB’s

      • getterdone says:

        No, not really suggesting him for us at this time. We’ll see how camp goes, etc.

      • steveccnv says:

        After watching Ajayi vs NV highlights last night, I don’t think he’s a power back, NV keyed on him, but still. With that being said I’d bring in SJ for the rookie min.

  14. finfanrob says:

    jahndoh says:
    May 14, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    To the Lawyers on the board: What do you think of the fact that the Wells investigation costed 4 million?

    i am sure do to the subject matter they………………..inflated their bill.

  15. herdfan says:

    A couple of things about the Wells report.
    1. McNally refers to himself as the deflator in May of 2014 so that implies the deflating was occurring at a minimum during the 2013-14 season.
    2. McNally says he sometimes took the game balls to the field without an official being with him. I believe that is a true statement, it was how he was able to ‘get it done’. I don’t think any official will ever admit they didn’t follow protocol, but I think it’s apparent it’s what happened.
    3. Why aren’t the officials questioned more about their role in the whole thing? They are familiar with how a properly inflated ball would feel. They handle the balls all the time during the course of a game. They were even told before the championship game there were concerns about the Patriot’s game balls. Then, the balls mysteriously ‘disappear’ prior to the game. And it still takes a player from the other team intercepting one of the balls to raise the issue that the balls weren’t properly inflated.

    • steveccnv says:

      The officials probably didn’t think it was a big deal, or they were in on it, you decide.

      • herdfan says:

        They have all these rules about inflating the balls, testing them, moving them to the field. But the balls disappear after they are warned there might be an issue and they don’t think it’s a big deal? Yeah, that makes sense?????

  16. steveccnv says:

    I hope deflategate backfires on the cheats and the league turns on them the way they turned on Al Davis.

  17. steveccnv says:

    Article VIII of the NFL constitution gives the commissioner, and by proxy the league office, “full, complete and final jurisdiction” to resolve disputes. It also gives the commissioner “complete authority” to issue discipline for rules violations. Finally, Article IX expressly prohibits public criticism of the league by member clubs, stating: “All complaints or criticism … shall be made to the Commissioner only and shall not be publicized directly or indirectly.”

    They broke the rules again, give them another loss of draft picks and Belicheat out for the yr.

  18. steveccnv says:

    In this case, however, the agitator is not a longtime anti-establishment activist, as Davis was viewed during most of his tenure. Instead, it was one of the league’s most powerful establishment owners, the one most responsible for the ascension of commissioner Roger Goodell and the chairman of arguably the league’s most important committee (broadcast).

    So Goodell has been paying back the campaign contributions ever since he took office.

  19. CavalierKong says:

    Herd,

    You bring up a great point about the officials actions. The only logical answer IMO is pure incompetence.

    Either the league was “in on it” which doesn’t make sense because it would have been far easier to let the Pets know the gig was up rather than be forced to act after the fact. So if that’s the case – incompetence in their duplicity.

    Or

    There was a “sting” operation in place and the officials went about their business as usual, letting the Pets do what they do to catch them in the act. If that’s the case then they completely botched it because the officials grossly mishandled their end of it by using multiple needles and not keeping good record of their actions (duh, which needle did I use) – incompetence

    Or

    The league was informed and chose to not tell anybody anything and just decided to drop in do a half-assed investigation after/during the game – incompetence

    I’m sure there are a couple of variations I haven’t thought of but I figure no matter which way you look at it the league handled this situation with complete incompetence and the actions of the officials throw that fact into sharp relief.

  20. finfanrob says:

    omg no way, the refs looking the other way when it comes to the pats. no fucking way, who ‘herd’ of such a thing. what next they will be allowing their oline to hold

  21. finfanrob says:

    herdfan says:
    May 14, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    Just the point, why aren’t they asked about it?

    aaahhhh why arent they asked about half the bullshit calls they either give the cheats or the calls they dont make against them.

    (and use the reply again young lady and i am getting my belt out)

  22. jahndoh says:

    Herd/Cav:

    Whether the Patriots broke the rules and whether the Referees broke protocol are two completely separate topics.

    Wells’ job was to determine if any wrongdoing on the part of the Patriots (players or organization) took place and he determined it had. That does not mean no incompetence took place on the part of the refs, but I will say, to defeat the common Patriot apologist’s refrain: The league actually CHANGING it’s protocols because of the complaint would actually VALIDATE the Patriot argument that it was a sting operation.

    On the other topic, is there something funky going on with the refs, I’m leaning toward the fact that typical protocol was to allow teams’ equipment managers to carry the balls to the field (as has been widely reported) and if they took them to the bathroom and deflated them, it was an infraction on the equipment managers’ part. The rules will likely change to prevent those types of infractions, but I don’t personally think the refs did anything out of protocol and I DO think changing protocol after the complain means the Pats’ complaint of a sting operation is legitimized.

    • jahndoh says:

      Translation: What’s justice? The Pats getting punished, or the Pats punishment gets overturned in appeal because the referees were determined to have done something wrong? Choose one.

      I’ll take the Pats getting punished and a protocol change in the handling of balls going forward.

    • herdfan says:

      How the hell can they complain if it were a sting? If you aren’t doing anything wrong, a sting doesn’t work.

  23. naplesfan2010 says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought stings are not illegal.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      There is nothing wrong with a sting as far as I know

      The cheats are using that word bc they feel singled out IMO

    • Ken says:

      A “sting operation” as however that is defined is not necessarily illegal but in terms of criminal investigations it raises the possible issue of entrapment such as the Abscam cases and the like.

  24. The Flying Pig says:

    The league investigating the officials and finding fault by the officials would reflect very bad on the league

    Wells was not hired to investigate the officials

    I’m a little surprised the NFL came down do hard on a marquee player like Brady
    But I think he public demanded it they had no choice

  25. Ken says:

    jahndoh says:
    May 14, 2015 at 5:03 pm (Edit)
    To the Lawyers on the board: What do you think of the fact that the Wells investigation costed 4 million?
    ______________________________________________
    I want to know if Wells has any job openings.

  26. Ken says:

    It was amusing to here today that our former OL coach Turner came out in support of Brady and bashed the Wells report. LMAO.

    • Mike E. says:

      He actually just bashed Wells personally. He said “He’s not a good person”

      • Ken says:

        Says the guy who thought sicking Richie Incognito on Johnathan Martin would be a good way to toughen him up. Yes he knows a lot about what a good person is.

      • Mike E. says:

        Yeah, the bully enabler doesn’t have a leg to stand on. He wasn’t a very good coach besides that.

  27. Mike E. says:

    The only problem with a sting is, the best interests of fair play for both teams should be paramount, so letting one team play with deflated footballs for a half is inexcusable. They should have caught them in the act before the balls hit the field, not after.

    • Ken says:

      There was no sting operation. They only checked on the balls after the int when one of the Colts equipment guys started to complain and that forced the refs to check again.

    • herdfan says:

      Agreed. If the officials were so concerned about the disappearance of the game balls, and in light of the warning about the Pats prior to the game, wouldn’t you think they would have thought, hmmmmm, maybe I should test these balls again? Did the thought never cross their minds? And they were handling them, they surely would have noticed something, just as the player for the Colts did.

  28. naplesfan2010 says:

    Mike E — why would you need to bother about fair play with cheaters?

  29. naplesfan2010 says:

    excuse me please delete the word “use”

  30. Mike E. says:

    Ken

    I understand that, but Herd has a valid point. They were aware something wasn’t right before that, and yet they let the balls go missing, and then don’t test them after that? Why?

    • Ken says:

      Because the refs probably didn’t think it was a big issue. Or possibly they didn’t have time as the have a national tv schedule to comply with as well. Who knows. However, I am not buying the sting operation b.s. that’s a Pats excuse trying to hide the fact that they were cheating.

      • Mike E. says:

        I’m not even sayiong it was a sting. If the refs were warned that the Patriots are altering the balls, it seems irresponsible that they let the patriots take the balls before the game, and then after they took them, not to test them and make sure it wasn’t tampered with

      • Ken says:

        Okay, I get your point. I still think they probably didn’t think too much of it until another complaint was made. It is hard for us to sit here and say what the refs should or should not have done. We don’t really know their routines and what other pressures they are dealing with in terms of tv schedule, league issues and player issues all right before a game starts so while you think there should have been some more control on it I give the refs a pass on it.

  31. Mike E. says:

    Herd

    Tough to say if the refs would notice the difference in PSI, unless of course they were looking for something, which in retrospect, you would think they would be looking for something, given the fact that they were forewarned.

  32. steveccnv says:

    I don’t even care about the suspension any longer, what I do care about is the cheats getting all the calls, if kraft’s rant turns the NFL against the cheats I’d gladly take that over the suspension.

  33. steveccnv says:

    Yeah, cry brady is the greatest, aided by cheating and getting the calls. How many SBs would he have won without getting favorable calls and cheating maybe one, and the one they should’ve gotten they lost.

  34. finfanrob says:

    so i know we are all up in the ‘sting’ talk and refs looking the other way, but i have an important question

    if you eat the whole watermelon at one sitting that does count as just one serving right?

    • Ken says:

      That reminds me of a friend of mine. His then girlfriend decided he needed a one drink limit. So the next party he went to he took her seriously and brought his one drink. A quarter keg that he carried with him.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      been there done that on a cheese cake, a pizza, and a 5th of Jack Daniels, but never a whole watermelon.

  35. finfanrob says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    May 14, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    excuse me please delete the word “use”

    then all you would have is an ex c. and they suck, i have two of them.

  36. herdfan says:

    So let me get this straight. There are rules that are a big deal and then there are rules that aren’t a big deal?

    • Ken says:

      The issue is whether a team breaks the rule for a competitive advantage and not how the league refs the games. The refs may not have thought of the issue or may not have had the time to deal with the issue but the fact of the matter is that Pats were knowingly trying to gain a competitive advantage by breaking a rule. Whether the refs could have or failed to do something is a totally different issue.

  37. finfanrob says:

    lol ken, i am sure he would have been better off leaving the gf at home and drinking his own limit.

    got to say though, watermelon is one of the best things about summer. dont believe me just look

  38. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    Now those are watermelons I would go through in one sitting.

    ohhhhhh i think i could make those last for at least two sittings. of course both sittings would only last about 8 seconds.

  39. naplesfan2010 says:

    Steve — I actually agree. I am tired of this whole thing already.
    Not tired of having it thrown up in their face every so often whenever the cheatriots go all arrogant. And I do think they have used up pretty much all of their “benefit of the doubt” capital.
    I really can’t see any refs sympathizing with Brady whining any more.

    Just tired of this topic in MY life. I am ready to go back to raving about how this team is the best we’ve had in a long time. I want to whip their ass with Brady on the field. I want to win the division this year with Brady playing QB.

  40. naplesfan2010 says:

    My posts are not making any sense. I’m done.

  41. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    8 seconds? How come you keep me chained to this couch for hours?

    cause you pay me too

  42. jahndoh says:

    Herd, you still need to decide, would you like to see the referee’s punished or the Pats. Because the topic at hand is the Wells report and he was asked to investigate the Pats. If the referees are proven to be involved in wrongdoing, the Pats go scott free.

    Pick one. Who do you want punished?

  43. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    You are such a whore.

    aaahhhhh excuse me counselor but that is offensive. i am not an idiot i dont do it for free. the proper term is paid professional entertainment engineer.

  44. jahndoh says:

    “I’m not even sayiong it was a sting. If the refs were warned that the Patriots are altering the balls, it seems irresponsible that they let the patriots take the balls before the game, and then after they took them, not to test them and make sure it wasn’t tampered with”

    Because changing their protocol would jeopardize bringing justice to the team that perpetrated the cheating. You saw what Kraft did today. Changing protocol on the fly like that would only underline referee incompetence and serve to defeat any attempt at punishing the Pats.

    Choose one, who needs justice more badly? Referees or the Pats?

    Right now I’d have it in for the Pats. At worst their was negligence on the refs part. At worst there was intentional cheating on the Pats part.

  45. finfanrob says:

    herd,

    please answer jahn, if not he will start whining in about an hour how deep his post are and no one listens to him unless he just has one liners that are shallow

  46. jahndoh says:

    Here’s protocol. I think we have a power in our collective voice, but I’d hate to see any blame shifted from the Pats here. They cheated and deserve to be punished.

    “So the competition committee said, ‘We’re going to let the quarterbacks determine which footballs they want, practice with them all week, do what you want with them, as long as the football is not overly scuffed up. Then submit that ball to the officials, and the officials can tell if they’d want to use it for a game, and then they’ll stick a gauge into it and check the weight. Once they do that, that ball has met the requirements, and they put them in a bag, and they stay in that room with them, that locker room, until they leave to go to the field about 10 minutes before kickoff.”

    -Jim Daopoulos, An on-field NFL official from 1989-2000 and the NFL’s supervisor of officials from 2001-12.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/24/expert-explains-protocol-with-nfl-game-balls/fCtQ38pBjBFXId0WJC2wpL/story.html

  47. CavalierKong says:

    Jahn,

    I guess when it comes to the refs I’m thinking of them as being part of the league’s process in determining if there is wrong-doing. I would assume if the league is notified the Pets are cheating they would inform the refs and have them be part of the fist line so to speak…or…at the least make sure the refs follow protocol to the letter for this game so we don’t have something like “I’m not sure which needle I used” happen during an important investigation.

    I completely agree we’re talking about two different things if we’re talking about the refs not following protocol and the Pets cheating but my post was more about the league being incompetent in their handling of the cheating charge to begin with. If the refs weren’t informed that is even a bigger goof in my opinion. How could you not inform your refs of a possible impropriety and let them know “go about your business but be damned sure you take good account of your actions and findings when measuring these balls”.

    IMO the league left too much to chance or flat out handled it wrong. There shouldn’t have been any ambiguity on the part of the refs when it came to the measuring and testing process at halftime.

    • jahndoh says:

      Based on the article I linked above they did follow protocol and the conversation is only serving to deflect blame from the Pats at this point. That’s their goal. Get people talking about a bunch of noise that deflects from the over-arching point. They cheated and deserve to be punished.

    • jahndoh says:

      I’ve been listening to a LOT of NFL Radio this last week. This topic is a company line that Jim Miller has been propagating. It’s about deflecting blame from the Pats. If the investigation was botched from the onset, the punishment can not be valid.

  48. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    So how do you declare that income on your taxes Mr. Engineer?

    Income? do you know how much those whips and chains cost? it is a deductible loss. but so you know in your case, i deduct it as a charitable donation.

  49. The Flying Pig says:

    Agree Jahn
    Classic red herring with pats defense
    They just want everyone to take their eyes of the patriots

  50. Ken says:

    Jahn is correct. The Pats defense is about deflecting blame. No where in the defense do they come out and say we didn’t do this.

  51. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    The whips and chains don’t bother me but your leather chaps have to go.

    ok, see i told you. just stick with it and one day you will want me totally naked.

  52. herdfan says:

    Jahn:
    I’m not deflecting anything from NE. They cheated and for some time, not just one game. And it seems to me they couldn’t have done that without what I’d call some passive assistance from some game officials.

  53. CavalierKong says:

    Jahn,

    I have no doubt the Pets cheated but this isn’t over because of how the league handled it. This conversation is a continuing one about the way the league handles issues. I don’t see anything in that protocol about how the information is tracked and accounted for but we know the info is tracked yet there are multiple needles, refs unsure of what the did and different results throwing doubt upon the whole process.

    Why didn’t the league have a representative there at halftime to make damned sure to get an accurate accounting? Why weren’t the refs informed to make a detailed accurate accounting of their findings? Did they not take it seriously at first? I don’t know what the answers are but Is this any different than the initial “investigation” over the Ray Rice incident? It was bungled at the start (or brushed under the rug). It just seems it’s starting to become a reoccurring theme.

    • CavalierKong says:

      You can take this back to bountygate too. There were all sorts of inconsistencies in that investigation as well.

    • jahndoh says:

      Cav, actually some of your answers are in the Wells report. In fact, Troy Vincent HIMSELF was present in the locker room at halftime testing the footballs. Only Goodell himself is higher ranking in these matters.

  54. Try Pod says:

    Totally unrelated, but I watched this on the local news last night. I have to admit, it choked me up a little:
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/-fast-food-worker-helps-disabled-patron-in-heartwarming-video-165633994.html

  55. Tim Knight says:

    The Pats are trying to divert attention away from their wrong doings and play the victim to secure their legacy which is already tainted in the eyes of the majority of the NFL community. It’s not going to work. They already fucked this up so bad that more will come out about them, you watch. They have lost a lot of respect. Cheaters!!!!

    • CavalierKong says:

      No matter how the suspension and penalties end up they are toast in most NFL fans eyes. Everything they’ve done up to now just makes them look worse and worse. No more talk of what a “classy” organization they are, lol.

    • Ken says:

      I think the deflation diet was the final nail in the coffin. Any shred of respectability went out the window with that bullshit excuse but it does make for good entertainment.

  56. getterdone says:

    Bills signed No. 155 overall pick RB Karlos Williams to a four-year contract.
    A converted safety, Williams averaged 5.89 yards per carry at Florida State. He also caught 37 passes, and surprisingly flashed 4.48 speed at the Combine. Those are impressive wheels for a 6-foot-1 back who weighs 230 pounds. Williams won’t make a rookie impact behind LeSean McCoy or Fred Jackson, but could make Bryce Brown or Anthony Dixon expendable.

  57. Try Pod says:

    This is the exact opposite of the previous post, and made me ask “how does anybody think this is funny?”
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7274206?ir=Entertainment

  58. CavalierKong says:

    I’m sorry to post and run but my daughter is begging me to play Balderdash since it takes at least 3 to play, lol.

    At the end of the day I hope the cheats get everything that is coming to them.

  59. Tim Knight says:

    Kong, there are reports that other QBs have said in games they played against the Pats years ago they got balls that looked like they were right out of the box where the Pats looked like they were playing with balls from the 1940s. LOL

  60. Ken says:

    Every investigation has flaws and no investigation is perfect. But objectively is there anyone who objectively read the Wells report and does not think the Pats cheated? If you are looking for flaws they are there but so too is a preponderance of the evidence that the Pats and Brady were engaged in an effort to circumvent the rules. That’s the issue and the only issue that the Wells report was concerned with.

  61. Ken says:

    Alright I too must call it a night. FFR has scared me off. LOL. I am out Peace to you all.

  62. Rhino says:

    Jahn, if you are still around… here’s a Warriors video that came out for Curry’s mvl

    • Rhino says:

      ^MVP, not mvl (that’s me… most valuable lounger)

    • jahndoh says:

      It’s amazing how cheezy that song is and how I still got goosebumps. Glad he’s not the kind of kid who lets stuff go to his head. He’d be an ego maniac of titanic proportions. lol…he’s already being talked about as one of the best pure shooters of all time…fastest ever to 1000 3 pointers, fastest ever to 100 post season 3 pointers, and he’s only 27!

      Crazy. What a ride. Glad to be on it with ya Rhino.

  63. jahndoh says:

    Herd,

    In no way shape or form would I ever accuse YOU of intentionally deflecting blame, I just think the fact we’re talking about it is exactly what the Pats want. AFTER they get their asses handed to them on a platter and it’s carried out, I’ll help you to the end of days pick apart what the refs may have done wrong. I don’t play favorites…outside of the Fins and the Sharks, and the A’s and the Warriors, and my family, and my friends, and I think that’s all the exceptions. 🙂

    • herdfan says:

      My point is basically the Pats have been cheating for a long time and they can’t do it without what I’d call some passive help from the officials. That doesn’t lessen what happened. It makes it worse IMO.

      • jahndoh says:

        I think that’s fair. Like I said, if we can get a foothold on that, I’ll work really hard to help you out. For today I’ve been aiming for the Patriots heads specifically. Again, it’s just about the fact that I know the Patriots would rather us talk about the refs then talk about them. Deflection 101, a guilty man’s best defense.

  64. finfanrob says:

    ok i am out for the night….and by out i mean outside of kens window

  65. getterdone says:

    Oops, no one read my post. Guess I should not talk about other teams or players and stay on point with ‘All Things Patriots’ 🙄

  66. Tim Knight says:

    I was thinking about our offense today and comparing it to how much Hickey having a year under his belt as a GM helps him know the team better even with new additions that he brought in, but so does Lazor and his staff. I feel that alone should help the team get better. Lazor knows what some guys do well and don’t and what some knew guys are projected to do well a lot better than when he came in last year and knew nobody really or how this was going to work. I think phase two of this offense with some new talent could take off.

    Not to discount the defense which made some major moves, but that’s a different topic. 🙂

    • jahndoh says:

      I think so too Tim, and I sure hope it comes to fruition this season before our very eyes.

      • Tim Knight says:

        If Parker is the real deal as a rookie we’ll be in the playoffs. His size and skill set was something we did not have. His catch radius and underrated speed 4.45 for a guy 6-3 209 can be very underestimated. Once in stride, hard to catch. Add that to the quality receivers we already had. The RB position could be another key to taking the next step. All our backs can catch the ball and run well.

    • getterdone says:

      Well, so here’s to the continuity thing. Hence retaining Bazooka Joe.
      Year 2 under Lazor, and Benton….should really see some strides made here on Offense.
      Tanny even said it’s like night & day for him going into this season knowing the offense. He feels very comfortable. Now if only the OL can keep him feeling that way! 😉

      On Defense, Year 2 of Hickey reshaping the personnel to fit Coyle’s D. We weren’t far off on this side of the ball. The new adds & developing 2nd-3rd year players should begin to Rock!

      We look very promising on paper right now, on both sides of the ball.

      Go Phins!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Good wrap up, that’s my positive preseason view at this time as well. LOL

      • getterdone says:

        Tim, Thanks bro!
        Yes, I’m excited, and other Phin fans I talk to in my town are as well.
        Suh was the great cog in the wheel that got this promising offseason rolling.
        I like how the rest of it played out like a very well orchestrated plan that us die hards can see.
        The molding going on in key areas is something to be really appreciated and excited about.

  67. getterdone says:

    Here we go. Kraft’s gimp is now activated…SMH!

    Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman reports commissioner Roger Goodell will personally preside over Tom Brady’s appeal of his four-game suspension.
    It’s been confirmed by ESPN’s Ed Werder. Freeman calls the development “huge and unexpected.” The NFLPA had been seeking a neutral arbitrator. With Goodell personally taking responsibility for the case, he’s putting the result squarely on his shoulders. We’d interpret it as the commissioner looking for an out after a week of brutal publicity. It wouldn’t be shocking if Brady’s four-game ban was slashed to 1-2 games.

  68. Tim Knight says:

    Does this ball look right out of the box or preferred? It looks like a baseball bat. LOL
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/

    • Tim Knight says:

      If you didn’t know, that’s the deflater doing that thing he does to lose weight right before our very eyes. LMAO!!!

  69. Tim Knight says:

    GD, so what’s the rule? Can you do that or not? It’s like a broken in baseball glove or bat with pine tar on it. Is that the way the NFL plays its game? I always thought both teams played with NFL balls, not preferences. In baseball the Ump decides the ball.

    Anyone saying a good grip doesn’t matter is forgetting their days playing sports. It always mattered and I know what those slippery out of the box balls felt like. You couldn’t grip them.

    Go ahead… have at the ball gripping thing. You know what I’m saying. LOL

  70. The Flying Pig says:

    Roger Goodell will hear Brady’s appeal

    Lol!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Brady: I never focused on ball inflation or deflation hahahaha!!! But everyone does it. Do you know my ball boy is trying to lose weight? It gets so complicated!
      Goodell: I know, what to do?
      NFL Community:

  71. steveccnv says:

    I don’t know if you guys saw this, but Dansby claims the cheats tampered with their headsets in that snow game cheats 47 vs Cardinals 7.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/browns%e2%80%99-karlos-dansby-thinks-pats-tampered-with-headsets-in-2008/ar-BBjNAC1

    This was the game that came to my mind when I first heard about the 2007 rule change that allowed the visiting teams to use their own balls. The first season the cheats had a huge decline in fumbles per touch.

    This is what I’m talking about, fuck the cry brady suspension, I want to see the roof fall in on those cheating bastards.

    Today was Dansby, yesterday was AJ Feeley, tomorrow… Cheats done did lots of cheating, can’t wait for more to come out.

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