Tom Brady’s Angel Soft Balls, and Why That’s a Bad Thing . . .

By New Age

We all know what happened in the AFC Championship game. Every single ball they had used (11 of them) was under the specified PSI…every single ball. Now some Pats fans will try to redirect and discuss the Colts balls or even try to use pseudo-science like the Ideal Gas Law. These puny attempts only reinforce the ideas that all homers are blind and that scientists can be easily bought. Even if the science would work out, it was the responsibility of the Patriots to provide legal balls to the game. Like these:

footblobs

No Tom! These!

cart.
Tommy Boy did not cooperate with the investigation and some pretty damning texts insinuated that he knew the balls were soft. It would be very hard to believe a guy ,whose only job since college was throwing a pigskin, wouldn’t know anything about how they feel. Especially since he successfully lobbied to have his own people check his game balls every week.  Brady said. “Our equipment guys do a great job with breaking the balls in. They have a process that they go through. When I pick those balls out, at that point to me they are perfect.” His own words on what his expectations were every week.

Now to see why this is a big deal.
http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007
TLDR version- Patriots went from a middle of the road team in fumbles every year to being almost perfect for 8 straight years. They went from middle of the pack in TO differential to a top 5 team four of the past five years. Turnovers win games. Here’s a video from NFL.com to further showcase this:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000305997/Blount-35-yard-TD-run

This is an amazing play. What is even more amazing is that it is pouring rain during this game. Blount who averaged 1 fumble per 49 carries elsewhere carries the ball with very little security in this video. Somehow, he is able to also extend that ball for the TD and hold on in the pouring rain until his falling weight helps knock it out. Is this possible with a properly deflated ball in the hands of a serial fumbler? Sure. Likely? Not at all.

What other benefits does a deflated ball give? It’s is easier to handle in bad weather, and easier to catch. So these benefits can be enormous for a bad weather team like the Patriots. Are these advantages the only reason the Patriots are a good team? No. But in a league of top athletes and parity, every incremental advantage can be the difference. The Patriots used deflated balls against the Ravens and barely won a close game. Would they have won without these advantages? I don’t know and that is the problem.

Does it matter in the long run if he cheats? As a Dolphins fan who watched this:

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I know how refs can influence any game, especially a game full of Pittsburgh refs.

Anyone that watches the NBA knows about the damaging proof that a cheating ref influenced the outcome of games. It damaged the game no matter how much they still bring in. As mentioned several times lately, the refs still influence the outcomes of NBA games. It is not healthy for that sport.

Tom Brady and Bill Belichick have damaged the game with their incessant cheating and the success that has followed. The NFL was wrong in just slapping his wrist for hurting the integrity of the game twice! Don Shula proved that you don’t have to cheat to win. Unfortunately, Roger Kraftell has encouraged the Patriots to cheat their way to the playoffs for years. Eventually, any team can win at that point and they aren’t just any team.

In other news, the Patriots just picked up a FA QB to compete with Jimmy G. His name is:

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352 Responses to Tom Brady’s Angel Soft Balls, and Why That’s a Bad Thing . . .

  1. Brian in NY says:

    LMAO @ Jon Grady! Nice job New Age!

  2. Rockphin says:

    New Age, good read man. I had heard about the Patriots fumble rate being less, even significantly less but WOW, just wow. SMH How could it NOT be more than anecdotal?

  3. dcoralsprings says:

    Nice write

  4. Rockphin says:

    FINALLY! Someone on NFLN responded to Brian Baldinger’s comment that Jimmy Garoppolo will be the best QB in the AFCE this year. I don’t know the guy’s name but right after a Baldinger segment he said, “Baldinger said that Garoppolo will be the best QB in the division, I don’t know Miami has a pretty damn good QB down there in Tannehill”

    • The Flying Pig says:

      What a stupid thing for Baldinger to say
      Tanny is almost certaint o be better than Garoppolo

      I bet even Geno Smith (who has flashes) will be better than Garoppolo
      The fact is Garoppolo is inexperienced and I expect it to show

  5. dcoralsprings says:

    Tim
    Places to stay for a game in S. Fl
    Check out the hard rock hotel and casino in Hollywood
    They are about two exits north of the stadium
    Right off of the turnpike ( not to far from beaches etc)
    Large compound type place, full of restaurants, clubs
    really nice pool area, they even have a comedy club out there
    Just trying to help

  6. wyoming85 says:

    Miami Herald Sports ‏@HeraldSports · 7h7 hours ago
    Miami Dolphins’ Finsweekend fishing tournament back for more fun, charity
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  7. The Flying Pig says:

    Good stuff New Age
    Great piece
    I am going to circulate it on twitter in a minute

    I’m a little tired of people downplaying that this was cheating

    it was
    I think its probably comprable to too much pine tar on the bat or a pitcher in baseball rubbing vasoline on the ball

    but its not a severe as steroids

    that doesn’t mean it wasn’t cheating

    I would think we that fans would get to the severity of it, if cheats fans weren’t so busy claiming its a conspiracy
    I end to think the cheats have brought this scandal on themselves in the manner they have handled it

    stepping away from it though – I don’t think the PSI is any different than too much pine tar on the bat like I mentioned above
    I actually think that what the cheats did in the Baltimore game declaring ineligible is a bigger advantage than the low PSIs – but that was legal until this offseason, when the cherats forced the owners to change the rules so that what they did in that game doesn’t happen again

    Now the owners are probably have to look at testing PSIs balls during the game and taking action during the game going forward

    Isn’t weird how the cheats always find themselves in these contraversies?
    I don;t think its a coincidence

  8. Mike E. says:

    Great job New Age!

    The fumble situation largely gets overlooked by the Brady and Patriots apologists all over the radio, especially NFL Radio, where they should be bringing it up every time they discuss this crap. Stop protecting Brady, and the Patriots, who despite being a great team with a great QB, cheat anyway.

  9. The Flying Pig says:

    In case you didn’t see this kiss cam fail that happened yesterday

  10. The Flying Pig says:

    ^
    Performing “Good Ole’ Bobby McCain”

  11. BoulderPhinfan says:

    nice job new age.

  12. dbolt48 says:

    Nice article NA.

  13. dbolt48 says:

    In regards to the Pats Id prefer that drunken idiot Bob Kraft just try and finger a starving crocodile rather than try to convince me of the Pat’s integrity…especially after canning the deflator. This scumbag was the guy banging a 20 something year old chic while his wife was dying and then played up his wife’s death to the public to look like a sympathetic figure oppose to the bumbling incoherent butt Fuck that he is.

  14. Tim Knight says:

    The Pats got caught and now they act like children when they get caught doing something they shouldn’t. Take your medicine and STFU!!!!

    Maybe all teams should start cheating because it doesn’t matter. The sport will be real good then wouldn’t it? SMH

  15. Al in MIA says:

    Michael Irvin was on the Dan LeBatard show yesterday and I heard him trying to downplay Brady’s deflation tactics as nothing more than just what competitive people do (equating it to people doing pass interference or holding and getting away with it in games). Thinks the punishment is more like a misdemeanor instead of a felony in the legal analogy. Anyway, LeBatard was like “cmon Irvin, what if you found out Steve Young was deflating footballs when you guys lost to him” LOL.

  16. wyoming85 says:

    With all the new toys everyone seems to forget Who should Take the NFL by storm in his second year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Tim Knight says:

      I agree. He gets down played because he’s not big and real fast but that guy’s competitive spirit is as high as anyone’s and he works at his craft. I expect him to take his game to another level and do more overall in his game. Not just a short route slot guy. 😉

  17. wyoming85 says:

    Great Write New Age!!!
    Appreciate the article!

  18. wyoming85 says:

    LMAO

  19. wyoming85 says:

    Matty I ‏@TheMattyI · 3h3 hours ago
    Per NFLPA records, looks like the Dolphins currently have $8.067 million in cap space, with another $3M clearing on June 1.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s what happens when you turnover the WR room from over $100M in total contracts to $16Mish.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      We can use that to get a vet OG

      • Tim Knight says:

        If there is one who’s a guaranteed upgrade. I think we’re going to battle with who we have believing the 2nd year in the system and another year experience for some guys will make a difference. I always felt last year would be a difficult situation on the OL with all the turnover in one year – new offense, new blocking scheme and basically all new personnel.

        I’m not heading into this year thinking it will be the same this year. That’s the reason I wasn’t sold on us being a playoff team last year, I had us 8-8 to 10-6 – if some things broke right and they didn’t. We lacked enough big plays on both sides of the ball and both lines struggled especially down the stretch. We’ve made quite a few changes. I don’t expect that to happen again. I feel better about this team at this time than I did last year’s team.

  20. Ken says:

    A quick drive by from court to say awesome job New Age

  21. Ken says:

    Dbolt:
    Just to clear the record. Kraft wasn’t banging a 20 something. She was 30

  22. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ Dbolt, reminds of Big Daddy: “Hey! You just made the biggest mistake of your life, baby. I know you’re gunna be missing me when you have that big, white, wrinkly body on you with his loose skin and old balls… gross! Ugh!”

  23. Excellent piece New Age!!!!

  24. The Flying Pig says:

    People need to stop saying Tom Brady does not need to deflate the balls as a defense to what he did

    #1 is irrelevant – its still cheating
    #2 The fact that Brady is so good makes the advantage that much greater to him.

    Take a bat smother it with pine tar (which if you don’t know is illegal) give it to me and I still strike out – bc I suck. Give the same bat to Miguel Cabrera and he doubles his home runs.

    No matter how slight the PSI levels seems to us, a QB, especially a QB like Tom Brady, is able to exploit it

    Don’t argue that Tom Brady is so great he doesn’t need to deflate footballs
    Tell me that Tom Brady is not more likely to take advantage of balls below the threshold b/c he is so great – b/c that is the reality.

    The better a player is, the more advantage altering the equipment is to that player.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The same with steroids. What it did for Barry Bonds was a jump from hitting HRs in the 40s to 73. For you and I we still can’t hit major league pitching.

  25. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    Regarding your 10:48AM comment, what makes you more confident about the O-line this year? I’m actually more nervous this year than last year.

    • Tim Knight says:

      2nd season in the offense and blocking scheme and that the FO appears to be content with who they have. I’m not saying it’s going to be awesome or anything, but continuity at least for some of the guys when it was new to everyone last year is important. People just look at least year when it was a mess and think it will be the same. I don’t agree with that thinking especially because it won’t be the same people starting at the same positions etc.

      • Mike E. says:

        How is it continuity when you have 2 different guards, Pouncey moving back to C from the G position, and possibly a different opening LT if Albert isn’t ready? I’m not trying to give you a hard time, just dealing with the facts as they are or may be.

  26. jahndoh says:

    Nice work New Age.

    Since science is under attack in popular culture I want to make a correction about the Ideal Gas Law (it has many applications in Brewing science believe it or not!) and the Pseudo science that some Pats apologists are trying to turn it into.

    Pay attention as I’m proving the apologists wrong right here. 🙂

    1) Ideal Gas Law (simplified for application specifically to football inflation) says: At a given temperature the pressure inside of a football will be greater or less than at another temperature.

    2) At a lower temperature than baseline the pressure will be lower than the pressure at baseline. At a higher temperature than baseline the pressure will be greater than the pressure at baseline.

    3) The Ideal Gas Law applies to all footballs everywhere. It does not know which team the footballs belong too.

    4) The ideal Gas Law COULD in the singular case of the Patriots’ balls, account for the volume loss seen.

    5) The ideal Gas Law COULD in the singular case of the Colts’ balls, account for the volume of loss seen.

    6) The Ideal Gas Law ABSOLUTELY has to apply to the balls of both teams…and given that both balls underwent substantially the same temperature change has to apply EQUALLY to both balls.

    Now the doozy.

    Cue Bill Belichick citing the Ideal Gas Law and your car tires in a presser trying to explain away the differences in pressure. Cue the apologists parroting this explanation ad nauseum.

    Mr. Wells considered this explanation and wisely consulted with engineers and scientists who explain to him the things I explained to you above. Mr. Wells realized that the Patriots’ Balls underwent GREATER pressure loss than the Colts balls while enduring the exact same gameday conditions.

    There it is. The apologists want to say “Ideal Gas Law explains it away” But the facts say “Ideal Gas Law PROVES THE BALLS WERE TAMPERED WITH”

    Appendix:
    Now, in the name of Science, I should point out that the Ideal Gas Law is a law that combined two other physical laws (they call them laws because they’re immutable by the way). The underlying law that governs pressure and temperature is known as Charles’ Law, and Jaques Charles deserves some credit for coming up with the equation that later would reveal the Patriots to be Cheaters (again).

    Thank you kind sir. No doubt that in our era you’d have been a Fin fan. 🙂

  27. The Flying Pig says:

  28. The Flying Pig says:

    I haven;t read this yet
    Bob Kraft had his attorneys prepare a 500 page document in response to the wells report

    What an idiot

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s all about their legacy at this point. They are known as cheaters across the nation and opposing fans are going to be relentless this season reminding them of it at every road game and on parody shows etc. They want to be exonerated but they won’t be. LOL

  29. Mike E. says:

    I hope they read Kraft’s 500 page dick document and add another 4 games suspension to Brady, and additional $1M fine, and a 2017 1st RD pick taken away.

  30. The Flying Pig says:

    Lmao

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      thats hilarious. The guy with the job to deflate footballs is called the Deflator because he wants to lose weight. Do the pats think the whole world was born yesterday?

  31. jetsssuck says:

    TIM—–Yeah I’m making it a mini-vacation. Will spend the weekend at my in-laws in Jupiter and then drive to the hotel on Monday, get settled in and go to the game that night. Drive back up on Tuesday and fly back that day as well if we can work it out like that.
    ————————————————————————————————
    Tim—–you can visit the SEAL museum in Jupiter which has the actual escape pod from the ship Alabama which was made into a movie I think it was called Captain Phelps.It was about pirates who took the cargo ship hostage.

  32. Rhino says:

    New Age… “Jon Grady”… classic!!!! Then Pats fans go on rampage to “prove” they are not the SAME person. lol

  33. BoulderPhinfan says:

    dbolt well said about kraft. Him and Irsay are the 2 biggest scum bags in the NFL.

  34. The Flying Pig says:

    Tim

    That chick with the hat in the pic you posted is hot
    Can you introduce us?

  35. Tim Knight says:

    Mike E, Pouncey, Albert, James, Thomas, Turner, Fox and Brenner were all there last year learning the offense and Benton’s scheme. It’s not new anymore to them. Last year it was new to everyone. They have a head start this year, more experience for some guys, and some guys looking to take the next step. Very different than last year.

    • Mike E. says:

      They may have learned the offense, but each one of them is playing a different position. I can buy the familiarity aspect, but there really isn’t much continuity at all, especially if ALbert isn’t ready to play. There would basically be a new starter at every position but RT.

      • Tim Knight says:

        You can develop that through camp if they can keep a lineup healthy for awhile and progress as the season goes on. This isn’t brain surgery. If each guy does his job we should be okay. Let the competition begin. Let’s hope Douglas is the next Harry Galbreath who was an 8th rd pick and made the all rookie team. It happens. 🙂

  36. The Flying Pig says:

  37. The Flying Pig says:

    That’s right Patriots, the wells report doesn’t tell me how long it takes to use the bathroom – it’s worthless!
    😉

  38. The Flying Pig says:

  39. dbolt48 says:

    This has been a entertaining day on Twitter. 1st there’s a movement to get that diseased cunt rag Miko Grimes removed WQAM and then we get this brilliant piece provided by the Patriots.

  40. stangerx says:

    You Da Man New Age…..Nicely.

    And for me the most damning thing are those fumble stats. No it does not prove anything in one given game……..but it proves something was going on over a long period. Yeah maybe one great player might not fumble, but it is statistically impossible for a whole team. I’m sure Kraft’s lawyers will just say it was good coaching.

    • Mike E. says:

      You know ALL Patriots fans will say that.

      • Tim Knight says:

        As much as they’re trying to blow this off as nonsense you know deep inside they’re all really bothered by it because their team is being looked at as cheaters and not respected as a dynasty by many NFL fans now.

  41. stangerx says:

    Question for you guys — how much do you think Jim “the needle” McNally could get for a tell interview with TMZ or even NBC?

    However much have to think the Pats have matched it in some way. Dude didn’t spill in the interviews with Wells. Seems he tried to cover it as much as he could, “Tom B and I spent all that time talking in private about how to prepare the games fro the Super Bowl”……..right.

  42. Mike E. says:

    I just posted this on PFT’s article about the Dolphins being cleared about Suh. So many Pats fans posted on that, I felt compelled.
    ___________________________________________

    Mike E. says:May 14, 2015 12:57 PM

    Patriots = A-Rod

    Great team, great player, but both absolutely cheaters. Both have been very successful in their respective sports, but alas, the stink of cheat will always hang on them. Sorry Pats fans, thems is the facts!

    Both may have been great without cheating, but we’ll never know. Ain’t that a shame . . .

  43. wyoming85 says:

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP · 10m10 minutes ago
    The human Barbie, hot or not? I’m going with scary yet intriguing

  44. The Flying Pig says:

  45. wyoming85 says:

    Walker: The first thing that stood out to me at rookie camp was his hunger and sense of urgency. Douglas believes he’s capable of earning a starting job at guard right away despite being a fourth-round pick. That’s the right attitude. On the field, it’s way too early to tell. I saw some good things, such as Douglas holding his ground against big, second-round pick and defensive tackle Jordan Phillips. But Douglas faced rookies last weekend without pads. It’s hard to gauge trench play under those circumstances.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/14904/dolphins-twitter-mailbag-ryan-tannehill-extension-2

  46. getterdone says:

    The Patriots are claiming the term “Deflator” was used to reference Jim McNally losing weight, not deflate footballs.
    The Patriots have launched a website called WellsReportContext (linked below) that responds to the assertions made in the Wells Report. “The conclusions of the Wells Report are, at best, incomplete, incorrect and lack context,” the introduction says. The site goes on to cite a Nobel Prize winner about PSI levels and makes the insulting claim that football handler McNally called himself the “Deflator” because he was trying to shed pounds. We’ve reached new lows in the absurdity of Deflategate.
    Wellsreportcontext.com

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m on a diet
      I need to deflate a few pounds

      Sounds normal right?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Let them keep embarrassing themselves. Nobody is buying it but themselves. Let them have their own private orgy over it, it’s only making it worse. LOL

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Its really unprofessional for Kraft to do this

        He is 1 of 32 owners in the NFL
        He should not be challenging the integrity of a product the NFL puts out

        I bett he other owners are pissed about it

      • getterdone says:

        Good point Piggy…and Tim.

  47. finfanrob says:

    with all the negative news put out it is always nice to read things like this. way to go young man….just way to go.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/high-school-qb-fulfills-seven-year-promise-takes-friend-with-down-syndrome-to-prom/ar-BBjKO0B

    • stangerx says:

      Jeez ffr you do surprise me sometimes. Sounds like a guy you want to be the godfather of your child.

  48. getterdone says:

    Free agent QB Michael Vick is working out with former NFL WR Chris Chambers in hopes of latching on with a team.
    Chambers works with both rookies and veterans, training them for NFL opportunities. “Last two weeks, he has done phenomenal. There are several teams that want him,” Chambers said of Vick. “He wanted to be on a winning team. He wants to play three years. Eventually, he wants to start again.” Vick, who turns 35 in June, has attracted no known interest since free agency opened.
    ___________________________
    No fight left in that dog. Time to hang it up Ron Mexico. Karma bites you!!!

  49. jahndoh says:

    Why do I bother? Not one damn response. SMH…I’ll get over it, but I try to contribute less blather and more topical information on this board as time goes on, but maybe blather and one liners is all that gets read.

    Yep. I’m over it.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I read it and forgot to reply. LOL

      Seriously I did. I got distracted with something else. Good post.

    • jahndoh says:

      Lol..even if that’s a courtesy response Tim, thanks. I appreciate it. I try to be thick skinned, but thin skinned is obviously my natural state. 🙂

    • stangerx says:

      Jahn — it was a great post, but some times they hit and sometimes they don’t. A lot of that has to do with traffic at the time and who is already concentrating on something else, most don’t fill in upstream.

      But I do believe in the deal ideal gas law (if not to explain this). Every first winter cold snap my wife’s “low tire pressure” alert comes up and it is a 911 moment no matter how hard I try to explain what is going on.

      • Tim Knight says:

        LOL, that happens all the time in the winter to me. I stopped paying attention to it and eyeball it now.

    • getterdone says:

      It happens to all of us. I think we do read some things often, take them in, agree, etc, but just get distracted and miss replying. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t read, or was a bad post.
      I read it thru, and agree with the Ideal Gas “law’ as a constant that MUST apply to everyone’s balls in the same test area at the same time.
      Thanks for sharing.

      BTW, my reply up the page earlier was gonna be. Hey Jahn, you should name one version of your craft beers ‘Jacques Charles’ or ‘IGL’ instead of IPA. 🙂

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I read it
      Its a good post
      Don;t beat yourself up over it – its a slow day

      basically you are saying that both team;s footballs would have been affected by Ideal Gas Law and since the Colts were not, that is not a sufficient explanation and the Cheats must have manipulated the balls…correct?

  50. finfanrob says:

    lmao, the local station is talking about the bucs adding doug williams to their ring of honor and all they can talk about is dougs highlights with the redskins. there is a reason the bucs are the losers of the the nfl.

  51. getterdone says:

    Oh, after my long reply to Jahn I look up after hitting send and see he already has lots to people who indulged him in his whine….Kudos Brady, Oops, err Jahn. 😉

  52. The Flying Pig says:

    FYI Jahn
    the Cheats latest response claims that the pressure int he 4 footballs of the Colts was affected to

    And they are correct
    but both reports have the charts and the disparity between the two measurements is pretty large
    the colts were much closer to the required PSI than the Cheats balls

    for science to explain the release of air pressure it affected one team a lot more than the other….lol

  53. finfanrob says:

    BoulderPhinfan says:
    May 14, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    they won a superbowl more recently than us.

    what the heck does that have to do with them putting doug on their ring of honor

  54. getterdone says:

    FFR, great article on the Downs Syndrome girl getting to go to the prom on a promise made years ago in the 4th grade. I sent the article to my Mom.
    My lil sister was born with Downs. They are such sweet loving & often misunderstood kids. She lived a good life and sadly for us, she is now gone, but never forgotten!
    Our lil Angel in heaven.

  55. finfanrob says:

    btw, has anyone seen jahn lately. just curious i dont think he has posted any thing in months

  56. Mike E. says:

    Jahn

    I thought it was a great post, one that didn’t necessarily need a response. If you were looking for an atta-boy, my apologies, it was a very good post, and I read the whole thing.

  57. finfanrob says:

    just to make stanger feel better about me

    http://www.fitstylelife.com/2015/03/50-reasons-why-we-love-yoga-pants-and-leggings/

    check out number 3 i mean 4 or 5 wait 6 i mean 7 errrr 9 sorry 13 of fuck it, check out 1-50

  58. getterdone says:

    Hey, no one’s replying to me…WTF!!!! 👿

  59. finfanrob says:

    getterdone says:
    May 14, 2015 at 2:24 pm

    He must be blathering somewhere else these days.

    yeah most likely, jahns problem is he always just post the one liners and never anything of substance

  60. jahndoh says:

    “Mr. Jastremski would sometimes work out and bulk up — he is a slender guy and his goal was to get to 200 pounds. Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight. “Deflate” was a term they used to refer to losing weight. ”

  61. Tim Knight says:

    Anyone hear about the new diet, The Deflater? It’s the easiest diet yet. Suck the fat away in minutes. Choose any PSI you want to be. All you need is this.

  62. The Flying Pig says:

    Everyone is Bawston refers to dieting as deflating. Are you guys wicked stupid or something?…there is nothing retawded about that…fucking Teddie Wells blasphemy

  63. Ken says:

    I saw the doctor last week. He told me I needed to deflate.

  64. jahndoh says:

    Lol @ some of your responses (especially FFR). Thanks for responding to my response about non-responses. 🙂

    It’s all good. I was over by the time I typed it.

  65. The Flying Pig says:

  66. stangerx says:

    “Anyone hear about the new diet, The Deflater?”

    Tim — don’t know about the diet, but Tom’s Special Deflater Non-Stout might be a great name for Jahn’s new brew.

  67. finfanrob says:

    stanger

    you got to #49? wow i am impressed. no wonder your are still married.

  68. jahndoh says:

    “basically you are saying that both team;s footballs would have been affected by Ideal Gas Law and since the Colts were not, that is not a sufficient explanation and the Cheats must have manipulated the balls…correct?”

    Very close Piggy, but more specifically, the Ideal Gas Law DID affect both teams’ balls, but the Pats are claiming it affected theirs differently somehow despite the balls being subjected to the same temperature change/conditions on the field of play.

  69. The Flying Pig says:

    You have to send that meme out on twitter Jahn

  70. Tim Knight says:

    Uhmmmm… guys……. I have found the missing link. Scientists everywhere are going to be very jealous and it was right there under their noses in Massachusetts the whole time.

  71. getterdone says:

    Patriots newest defense,

  72. jahndoh says:

    I’m so remedial when it comes to twitter. LMAO..

  73. dbolt48 says:

    I heard Tom Brady has s tatoo on his lower back that says “Semen Dumpster”. Ironically Omar Kelly has the same one on the inside of his lip.

  74. getterdone says:

    Dbolt, saw you replying on twitter to Ian Wharton’s post, that was replying to Omar. Man, you really tore Omar a new ass….LOL Kudos.

  75. Mike E. says:

    Only Jahn can sound smart when he’s saying he’s stupid. lol

    jahndoh says:
    May 14, 2015 at 2:55 pm (Edit)
    I’m so remedial when it comes to twitter

  76. BoulderPhinfan says:

    ffr,
    You called the bucs loses of the NFL and I just reminded you that they’ve won a superbowl more recently than us. So actually we’re bigger losers than they are.

  77. The Flying Pig says:

    Patriots expert has a bit of a conflict

  78. Ken says:

    If Jastremzski was the Deflator I wonder what Wilfork was?

  79. CavalierKong says:

    Wow, I just can’t believe the Patriots believe anybody is going to fall for the old “he was trying to lose weight and called himself the deflator” routine.

    If I was reviewing the appeal my first order of business regarding that claim would be to make the Pets substantiate it by providing additional texts or emails or some other documentation showing the supposedly “correct” context of “the deflator”.

    If the guy used the term so often as to frivolously name himself that in the texts regarding Brady’s balls then it must have been quite common for him to apply the moniker to himself and it should be very easy for the lying, dirty, stinking, cheating, assclown, bastard Pets to prove their absurd claim .

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Generally on appeal you can only review the record

      I don;t even think the cheats new report will be considered

      that is just for public consumption in an attempt to save Brady’s image

      brady should be telling Kraft he doesn’t need his help

      • CavalierKong says:

        On previous appeals to the NFL office, new evidence is looked at, specifically in the Saints case, but does it really matter? That is far and away beside the point I was making. It would be very easy to substantiate if there was any truth to it.

  80. The Flying Pig says:

    When Time weighs in, you are fucked

  81. getterdone says:

    Newage, meant to say good article today for those who aren’t fully aware of the tainted balls and their perpetrators. 🙂
    Good stuff, thanks. Also this tweet below also sheds some light as well. This screams of not being 1 isolated incident, and for that, yes, the punishment is a mere slap on the wrist!

  82. bat says:

    I must sincerely apologize for my failure to enthusiastically respond to Jahn’s pulse pounding treatise on the “Ideal Gas Law”. The fact that I was not on at the time is clearly no excuse. I look forward to further informative and enlightening posts on the fascinating Jaques Charles. …Could an HBO mini-series be in the works? …lol

  83. Rhino says:

    if Pats lawyer actually said “deflator means weight loss”.. all I can say is THANK YOU for this gift that keeps giving!!!!

    This would be the BEST example of the Pats arrogance (translation… out of touch with reality) and attitude of regal power: “so let it be said… so let it be done!” 🙂

    • jahndoh says:

      Actually cut and pasted. 100% verbatim Go DUBS!!!!!!!!

      “Mr. Jastremski would sometimes work out and bulk up — he is a slender guy and his goal was to get to 200 pounds. Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight. “Deflate” was a term they used to refer to losing weight.”

  84. bat says:

    If the deflated balls are easier to maintain possession of, and it appears that they are, wouldn’t it stand to reason that they would also be easier to catch? ..I would be interested to see the Cheatriots dropped pass stats before and after 2007.

    • jahndoh says:

      Different receivers in those two areas creates too much “noise” to come up with any meaningful conclusions…

  85. Tim Knight says:

    You have to admit, watching New England Nation squirm to exonerate themselves with the most absurd excuses is not only great comedy, but makes it worse at the same time. Now the entire state has declared themselves as scientists when in reality they are confirming they might be the dumbest people on the planet. Who would have thought it could be this good? LOL

    • stangerx says:

      Cool — looks like they popped up the prices for the good seats, but actually lowered them for the Fest nosebleeds.

  86. bat says:

    Jahn … LOL …I’m so glad you took that in the spirit of fun and frivolity with which it was written …

  87. bat says:

    Jahn …That’s a fair point, but it would still be interesting to see if there was a marked difference…

    • jahndoh says:

      True.

      On the above post. I get ya Bat. I get our differences, and I’m cool with that. I think you’re pretty damn funny for the most part.

  88. Ken says:

    CavKong:
    Generally a principle of appellate law is that you are reviewing a closed record. New evidence is generally not considered unless there is a previous request made to the original finder of fact to consider new or additional evidence after the close of the proceedings. Other than that most appeals are limited to the record made during the fact finding proceeding.

    • stangerx says:

      Key part for me is that two games is justified for just no cooperating with the investigation. So I figure that is the least that comes out of this. And I’m thinking the assault by the Pats is going to make Goodell prove who the big dog is.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Ok, lets focus and pick apart that part of my post instead of just taking the post for what it was meant to be:

      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8118763/new-orleans-saints-jonathan-vilma-lawsuit-asks-quick-appeal-ruling

      “In his latest filing, Vilma claims that the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement required Goodell to rule as soon as was practical following a June 18 appeal hearing. Because players, in protest, declined to present new evidence or argue their case in the hearing, Goodell should have been able to rule by June 25, the first business day after the record was closed in the matter, the lawsuit argues.”

      The players “…declined to present new evidence or argue their case in the hearing.”

      Since they declined to present new evidence in the appeal hearing it stands to reason new evidence can and would be looked at yada, yada, yada.

      • Ken says:

        I am not picking apart your post but the ability to look at new evidence is a significant issue because if what is being appealed is limited to the findings of the fact finder then there is a very different standard of law that is applied to the review. It is a generally a principle of appellate law that the findings of fact are given great deference and the appellant must establish that they are clearly errenous in order to reverse the fact finder’s findings. That is a difficult legal standard to sustain the appeal.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Well since I’ve already established above that in an NFL appeal new evidence can be presented and since the findings of the fact finder, in this case the Wells report, substantially uses the term “the deflator”, among other things, as evidence that the Pets cheated then the Patriots providing evidence that the term “the deflator” was misinterpreted and erroneously categorized by the fact finding report would be one of the first orders of business and easily proven if anything they’ve claimed was even approaching the truth.

  89. getterdone says:

    Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
    Ex-Dolphins OL coach Jim Turner says Ted Wells was paid $4 million for Bullygate investigation

  90. Mike E. says:

    Hear new evidence we will not!
    Yoda Yoda Yoda

  91. finfanrob says:

    BoulderPhinfan says:
    May 14, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    ffr,
    You called the bucs loses of the NFL and I just reminded you that they’ve won a superbowl more recently than us. So actually we’re bigger losers than they are.

    boulder, for that matter then only one team isnt a loser and we all know how they won the SB.

    what i was referring to however is the bucs have the worst losing % in nfl history, or so i heard on the radio. i personally didnt look it up.

  92. Tim Knight says:

    We just got tickets in the nose bleeds for $85 each and that’s $10 cheaper for the same seats at Giants Stadium. That said I’m not sure about that, Giants ticket prices may have gone up. I’ll have to check, just saw my wife’s season ticket bill on the desk last night.

  93. CavalierKong says:

    I really should have just posted:

    It would be easy for the Cheats to prove “the deflator” means what they claim it means by providing additional texts and stuff but it’s bullshit so they can’t, lol.

    • Mike E. says:

      Kong

      What about all the texts about the footballs and Tom Brady, like the balloon, the rugby ball etc. etc. How does that tie in with the guy being on a diet?

      • CavalierKong says:

        Um…it doesn’t? Which is why it’s preposterous to believe if this guy was really called this in regards to losing weight there would only be texts calling him that in relation to Brady, his balls and so on.

      • Tim Knight says:

        LOL, they dig themselves deeper and deeper with every excuse.

    • Ken says:

      Cav:
      I don’t think the arbitrator can look at new evidence. There was probably some specific issue as to why that was allowed in the Bountygate appeal. So pretty much It is a tough road for Brady and the Pats to win on appeal.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      That is true and I tweeted something similar today

      Instead of proving Brady didn’t do it – they picked apart Tedd wells report

      They are trying to create doubt about the conclusion

      but this is what Ken and I were referring to yesterday
      the evidentiary standard is not a criminal standard
      more probably than not/preponderence of the evidence is not about creating doubt

      its about proving your side of the story

      Bob Kraft should ask for his money back from his attorneys…..lol

      • Ken says:

        Bite your tongue Piggy, that was some of the most creative lawyering I have seen in a long time. Who ever came up with deflator = weight loss is entitled to every billable hour he charged.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Absolutely agreed they are just throwing a bunch of shit in the air to cloud it. This has been a concerted attack on very level from Brady’s attorney all the way up to the highest levels of the organization. As I originally stated (and was really the whole point of my post until all this stupid legal wrangling) it would be easy for the Pets to prove “deflator” was misinterpreted if there was any truth to their story because there would be supporting evidence.

        The idea he would only be called that in the context we’ve seen yet we’re supposed to believe this was a common moniker for him is absurd.

    • Ken says:

      The issue of whether or not the term “deflator” was interpreted correctly is something that could be subject to appeal but they would not be allowed to consider other texts that are not part of the record.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Sorry, not taking this on your word. Maybe a court of law is different than an NFL appeal. New evidence can be presented in an NFL appeal so what makes texts and emails evidence that wouldn’t be allowed.

      • Ken says:

        Cav:

        I would have to see the CBA but by and large most appeals are limited to the findings of fact. However, as this collectively bargained and this was the result of an agency investigation and not an adversarial proceeding there may be some provision for allowing the appellant to produce evidence. If there is I would assume it is fairly limited in scope.

      • CavalierKong says:

        ^^ = you may be right but I’ll couch it in lawyer speak so that I don’t have to say that. 😉
        I really do have to go back to work now.
        Cheers, Ken.

  94. finfanrob says:

    so just catching up and noticed. so in NE deflate means to lose weight huh??? so then if i was interested in putting on some weight and sitting at a bar talking to some chick it would be ok to tell her. ‘hey, i am trying to put on some weight, mind helping inflate me……here, just put your mouth around here and blow me’

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s what linemen in the NFL do, they go to whores to put on the weight. No longer are the days when they would drink milkshakes. Now they use inflation techniques. It’s more fun, takes less time and the whore gets a milkshake too. LOL

  95. getterdone says:

    Today’s PSA for the hungry swine loving bloggers here.

  96. Mike E. says:

    Kong

    Gotcha – It’s very silly!

  97. Tim Knight says:

    Ken, I don’t consider that lawyer using deflating as a weight losing angle as keen at all. That’s what makes people hate lawyers. They say things everyone knows is BS and somehow the dumb fucking law allows it. Anyone who believes that is an idiot.

  98. CavalierKong says:

    Well, this was fun. Posted to bash the Pets for idiocy and got to argue with lawyers for an hour instead, lol. I’m kind of glad lunch is over. 🙂

    Cheers, fellas.

    • Tim Knight says:

      You went to lunch to get a delicious cheese burger and fries and somehow ended up with a banana and molasses sandwich on Melba toast with a side of bean sprouts. LOL

  99. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Kong! Later bud!

  100. The Flying Pig says:

  101. jahndoh says:

    To the Lawyers on the board: What do you think of the fact that the Wells investigation costed 4 million?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      That firm is a huge white shoe firm
      they bill the shit out of their clients

      I would love to make 4M for a few months of work
      but that is not reality for most of us

      • Mike E. says:

        I think it goes hand in hand with a multi billion dollar corporation such as the NFL is. They have big bucks at stake, and they pay the big bucks to get it right.

    • stangerx says:

      Was that $4 mil reported as fact? That’s hefty even by top prices. Thousand an hour is a fairly top price. Obviously others were involved, but even if it was at that top earner amount……turns into 4,000 hours. That’s one hundred regular work weeks.

      • jahndoh says:

        I didn’t fact check it, I just read it somewhere. The Pat’s retort website did cite multiple attorneys from Mr. Well’s firm at each interview and the whole investigation did take some time, so it may pencil out, but I was more wondering if that led to any objectivity doubts your (collective) minds.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Good point
        Its impossible really
        if you worked 16 hours a day you can bill 4000 hours in 250 days

        I guess there could have been a dozen lawyers working on it
        They were probably working on it for about 120 days

      • stangerx says:

        It’s a huge amount (hence the thousand hours at top dollar comment). But if it is was right and the check is coming from the NFL…..surely we have to assume Wells is smart enough to read the signature on the check.

  102. The Flying Pig says:

    Doubts about the merit of the report? No

    Doubts about whether 4M was actually paid? Yes

    Lawyers bill by the hour and it takes a lot to get to 4M

    • jahndoh says:

      Please see my reply to Stanger. The Patriots themselves cited 4 different attorneys in the interview with one of the equipment guys. IF it’s true, (and again as per that post, I didn’t fact check it) then I’m sure it pencils out somehow. But moreover I wondered if it brought credibility of the findings into question for you guys. (again, assuming it’s true).

      Quick google check. Per the Boston Globe:
      “Wells said during the call that his investigation will “no question” cost “in the millions of dollars.” He said that he bills by the hour.”

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Article VIII of the NFL constitution gives the commissioner, and by proxy the league office, “full, complete and final jurisdiction” to resolve disputes. It also gives the commissioner “complete authority” to issue discipline for rules violations. Finally, Article IX expressly prohibits public criticism of the league by member clubs, stating: “All complaints or criticism … shall be made to the Commissioner only and shall not be publicized directly or indirectly.”

      • jahndoh says:

        Take their 2016 2nd and 3rd rounders and their 2017 2nd rounder too. I thought Tom didn’t get enough based on the infraction and his failure to cooperate with the investigation, so what the hell. Throw the book at the club.

  103. getterdone says:

    New York Yankees great Jorge Posada retired after the 2011 season, he recently published his autobiography, and he’s letting his opinions fly in a book tour. If it were up to Posada, the Hall of Fame wouldn’t allow players such as Alex Rodriguez because of performance-enhancing drugs.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25183374/jorge-posada-no-hall-of-fame-for-a-rod-because-of-peds

  104. The Flying Pig says:

    Jahn

    I do think the league has to consider penalizing them a 2nd time now

  105. getterdone says:
  106. getterdone says:

    On Wednesday night, it was announced that Beckham beat out Rob Gronkowski and will be featured on Madden 16’s cover. Without this catch, there’s probably no way he tops Gronk in any kind of vote.

    blob:https%3A//vine.co/df086edb-7aac-435d-b2ae-6a29383eb818

  107. The Flying Pig says:

    Reenactment of Goodell vs Patriots

  108. getterdone says:

    Free agent Steven Jackson wants to continue his playing career, but only for a competitive team.
    “I don’t want to go to a team that is rebuilding and needs me to come on and teach guys how to be professional,” Jackson said. “I want to be part of a winning team because when I do hang up my cleats, I can see a lot of people holding that over my head when a lot of it was out of my control.” Jackson is “fully aware” he might not find a taker. S-Jax has yet to make a visit in free agency, and two months shy of his 32nd birthday, may have played his final down.
    __________________________________
    He’s a beast, 6’2 240. Had 6 TD’s for a poor Falcons team last year. Someone will grab him before pre-season ends.

    • Mike E. says:

      He’s got a lot of wear and tear on that body though.

      • getterdone says:

        But he’s back to being healthy now, and no one would expect him to be a feature 3 down back or lets say get over 12-15 carries a game.
        Imagine having a nice lead late in game. You send him in fresh to wear out a already tired defense and run clock!

      • Mike E. says:

        You’re not suggesting him for us, are you? I think we have solid depth with Miller, Ajayi and Williams and/or Gillislee or whoever wins the 4th spot, if we carry 4 RB’s

      • getterdone says:

        No, not really suggesting him for us at this time. We’ll see how camp goes, etc.

      • steveccnv says:

        After watching Ajayi vs NV highlights last night, I don’t think he’s a power back, NV keyed on him, but still. With that being said I’d bring in SJ for the rookie min.

  109. finfanrob says:

    jahndoh says:
    May 14, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    To the Lawyers on the board: What do you think of the fact that the Wells investigation costed 4 million?

    i am sure do to the subject matter they………………..inflated their bill.

  110. herdfan says:

    A couple of things about the Wells report.
    1. McNally refers to himself as the deflator in May of 2014 so that implies the deflating was occurring at a minimum during the 2013-14 season.
    2. McNally says he sometimes took the game balls to the field without an official being with him. I believe that is a true statement, it was how he was able to ‘get it done’. I don’t think any official will ever admit they didn’t follow protocol, but I think it’s apparent it’s what happened.
    3. Why aren’t the officials questioned more about their role in the whole thing? They are familiar with how a properly inflated ball would feel. They handle the balls all the time during the course of a game. They were even told before the championship game there were concerns about the Patriot’s game balls. Then, the balls mysteriously ‘disappear’ prior to the game. And it still takes a player from the other team intercepting one of the balls to raise the issue that the balls weren’t properly inflated.

    • steveccnv says:

      The officials probably didn’t think it was a big deal, or they were in on it, you decide.

      • herdfan says:

        They have all these rules about inflating the balls, testing them, moving them to the field. But the balls disappear after they are warned there might be an issue and they don’t think it’s a big deal? Yeah, that makes sense?????

  111. steveccnv says:

    I hope deflategate backfires on the cheats and the league turns on them the way they turned on Al Davis.

  112. steveccnv says:

    Article VIII of the NFL constitution gives the commissioner, and by proxy the league office, “full, complete and final jurisdiction” to resolve disputes. It also gives the commissioner “complete authority” to issue discipline for rules violations. Finally, Article IX expressly prohibits public criticism of the league by member clubs, stating: “All complaints or criticism … shall be made to the Commissioner only and shall not be publicized directly or indirectly.”

    They broke the rules again, give them another loss of draft picks and Belicheat out for the yr.

  113. steveccnv says:

    In this case, however, the agitator is not a longtime anti-establishment activist, as Davis was viewed during most of his tenure. Instead, it was one of the league’s most powerful establishment owners, the one most responsible for the ascension of commissioner Roger Goodell and the chairman of arguably the league’s most important committee (broadcast).

    So Goodell has been paying back the campaign contributions ever since he took office.

  114. CavalierKong says:

    Herd,

    You bring up a great point about the officials actions. The only logical answer IMO is pure incompetence.

    Either the league was “in on it” which doesn’t make sense because it would have been far easier to let the Pets know the gig was up rather than be forced to act after the fact. So if that’s the case – incompetence in their duplicity.

    Or

    There was a “sting” operation in place and the officials went about their business as usual, letting the Pets do what they do to catch them in the act. If that’s the case then they completely botched it because the officials grossly mishandled their end of it by using multiple needles and not keeping good record of their actions (duh, which needle did I use) – incompetence

    Or

    The league was informed and chose to not tell anybody anything and just decided to drop in do a half-assed investigation after/during the game – incompetence

    I’m sure there are a couple of variations I haven’t thought of but I figure no matter which way you look at it the league handled this situation with complete incompetence and the actions of the officials throw that fact into sharp relief.

  115. finfanrob says:

    omg no way, the refs looking the other way when it comes to the pats. no fucking way, who ‘herd’ of such a thing. what next they will be allowing their oline to hold

  116. finfanrob says:

    herdfan says:
    May 14, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    Just the point, why aren’t they asked about it?

    aaahhhh why arent they asked about half the bullshit calls they either give the cheats or the calls they dont make against them.

    (and use the reply again young lady and i am getting my belt out)

  117. jahndoh says:

    Herd/Cav:

    Whether the Patriots broke the rules and whether the Referees broke protocol are two completely separate topics.

    Wells’ job was to determine if any wrongdoing on the part of the Patriots (players or organization) took place and he determined it had. That does not mean no incompetence took place on the part of the refs, but I will say, to defeat the common Patriot apologist’s refrain: The league actually CHANGING it’s protocols because of the complaint would actually VALIDATE the Patriot argument that it was a sting operation.

    On the other topic, is there something funky going on with the refs, I’m leaning toward the fact that typical protocol was to allow teams’ equipment managers to carry the balls to the field (as has been widely reported) and if they took them to the bathroom and deflated them, it was an infraction on the equipment managers’ part. The rules will likely change to prevent those types of infractions, but I don’t personally think the refs did anything out of protocol and I DO think changing protocol after the complain means the Pats’ complaint of a sting operation is legitimized.

    • jahndoh says:

      Translation: What’s justice? The Pats getting punished, or the Pats punishment gets overturned in appeal because the referees were determined to have done something wrong? Choose one.

      I’ll take the Pats getting punished and a protocol change in the handling of balls going forward.

    • herdfan says:

      How the hell can they complain if it were a sting? If you aren’t doing anything wrong, a sting doesn’t work.

  118. naplesfan2010 says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought stings are not illegal.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      There is nothing wrong with a sting as far as I know

      The cheats are using that word bc they feel singled out IMO

    • Ken says:

      A “sting operation” as however that is defined is not necessarily illegal but in terms of criminal investigations it raises the possible issue of entrapment such as the Abscam cases and the like.

  119. The Flying Pig says:

    The league investigating the officials and finding fault by the officials would reflect very bad on the league

    Wells was not hired to investigate the officials

    I’m a little surprised the NFL came down do hard on a marquee player like Brady
    But I think he public demanded it they had no choice

  120. Ken says:

    jahndoh says:
    May 14, 2015 at 5:03 pm (Edit)
    To the Lawyers on the board: What do you think of the fact that the Wells investigation costed 4 million?
    ______________________________________________
    I want to know if Wells has any job openings.

  121. Ken says:

    It was amusing to here today that our former OL coach Turner came out in support of Brady and bashed the Wells report. LMAO.

    • Mike E. says:

      He actually just bashed Wells personally. He said “He’s not a good person”

      • Ken says:

        Says the guy who thought sicking Richie Incognito on Johnathan Martin would be a good way to toughen him up. Yes he knows a lot about what a good person is.

      • Mike E. says:

        Yeah, the bully enabler doesn’t have a leg to stand on. He wasn’t a very good coach besides that.

  122. Mike E. says:

    The only problem with a sting is, the best interests of fair play for both teams should be paramount, so letting one team play with deflated footballs for a half is inexcusable. They should have caught them in the act before the balls hit the field, not after.

    • Ken says:

      There was no sting operation. They only checked on the balls after the int when one of the Colts equipment guys started to complain and that forced the refs to check again.

    • herdfan says:

      Agreed. If the officials were so concerned about the disappearance of the game balls, and in light of the warning about the Pats prior to the game, wouldn’t you think they would have thought, hmmmmm, maybe I should test these balls again? Did the thought never cross their minds? And they were handling them, they surely would have noticed something, just as the player for the Colts did.

  123. naplesfan2010 says:

    Mike E — why would you need to bother about fair play with cheaters?

  124. naplesfan2010 says:

    excuse me please delete the word “use”

  125. Mike E. says:

    Ken

    I understand that, but Herd has a valid point. They were aware something wasn’t right before that, and yet they let the balls go missing, and then don’t test them after that? Why?

    • Ken says:

      Because the refs probably didn’t think it was a big issue. Or possibly they didn’t have time as the have a national tv schedule to comply with as well. Who knows. However, I am not buying the sting operation b.s. that’s a Pats excuse trying to hide the fact that they were cheating.

      • Mike E. says:

        I’m not even sayiong it was a sting. If the refs were warned that the Patriots are altering the balls, it seems irresponsible that they let the patriots take the balls before the game, and then after they took them, not to test them and make sure it wasn’t tampered with

      • Ken says:

        Okay, I get your point. I still think they probably didn’t think too much of it until another complaint was made. It is hard for us to sit here and say what the refs should or should not have done. We don’t really know their routines and what other pressures they are dealing with in terms of tv schedule, league issues and player issues all right before a game starts so while you think there should have been some more control on it I give the refs a pass on it.

  126. Mike E. says:

    Herd

    Tough to say if the refs would notice the difference in PSI, unless of course they were looking for something, which in retrospect, you would think they would be looking for something, given the fact that they were forewarned.

  127. steveccnv says:

    I don’t even care about the suspension any longer, what I do care about is the cheats getting all the calls, if kraft’s rant turns the NFL against the cheats I’d gladly take that over the suspension.

  128. steveccnv says:

    Yeah, cry brady is the greatest, aided by cheating and getting the calls. How many SBs would he have won without getting favorable calls and cheating maybe one, and the one they should’ve gotten they lost.

  129. finfanrob says:

    so i know we are all up in the ‘sting’ talk and refs looking the other way, but i have an important question

    if you eat the whole watermelon at one sitting that does count as just one serving right?

    • Ken says:

      That reminds me of a friend of mine. His then girlfriend decided he needed a one drink limit. So the next party he went to he took her seriously and brought his one drink. A quarter keg that he carried with him.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      been there done that on a cheese cake, a pizza, and a 5th of Jack Daniels, but never a whole watermelon.

  130. finfanrob says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    May 14, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    excuse me please delete the word “use”

    then all you would have is an ex c. and they suck, i have two of them.

  131. herdfan says:

    So let me get this straight. There are rules that are a big deal and then there are rules that aren’t a big deal?

    • Ken says:

      The issue is whether a team breaks the rule for a competitive advantage and not how the league refs the games. The refs may not have thought of the issue or may not have had the time to deal with the issue but the fact of the matter is that Pats were knowingly trying to gain a competitive advantage by breaking a rule. Whether the refs could have or failed to do something is a totally different issue.

  132. finfanrob says:

    lol ken, i am sure he would have been better off leaving the gf at home and drinking his own limit.

    got to say though, watermelon is one of the best things about summer. dont believe me just look

  133. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    Now those are watermelons I would go through in one sitting.

    ohhhhhh i think i could make those last for at least two sittings. of course both sittings would only last about 8 seconds.

  134. naplesfan2010 says:

    Steve — I actually agree. I am tired of this whole thing already.
    Not tired of having it thrown up in their face every so often whenever the cheatriots go all arrogant. And I do think they have used up pretty much all of their “benefit of the doubt” capital.
    I really can’t see any refs sympathizing with Brady whining any more.

    Just tired of this topic in MY life. I am ready to go back to raving about how this team is the best we’ve had in a long time. I want to whip their ass with Brady on the field. I want to win the division this year with Brady playing QB.

  135. naplesfan2010 says:

    My posts are not making any sense. I’m done.

  136. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    8 seconds? How come you keep me chained to this couch for hours?

    cause you pay me too

  137. jahndoh says:

    Herd, you still need to decide, would you like to see the referee’s punished or the Pats. Because the topic at hand is the Wells report and he was asked to investigate the Pats. If the referees are proven to be involved in wrongdoing, the Pats go scott free.

    Pick one. Who do you want punished?

  138. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    You are such a whore.

    aaahhhhh excuse me counselor but that is offensive. i am not an idiot i dont do it for free. the proper term is paid professional entertainment engineer.

  139. jahndoh says:

    “I’m not even sayiong it was a sting. If the refs were warned that the Patriots are altering the balls, it seems irresponsible that they let the patriots take the balls before the game, and then after they took them, not to test them and make sure it wasn’t tampered with”

    Because changing their protocol would jeopardize bringing justice to the team that perpetrated the cheating. You saw what Kraft did today. Changing protocol on the fly like that would only underline referee incompetence and serve to defeat any attempt at punishing the Pats.

    Choose one, who needs justice more badly? Referees or the Pats?

    Right now I’d have it in for the Pats. At worst their was negligence on the refs part. At worst there was intentional cheating on the Pats part.

  140. finfanrob says:

    herd,

    please answer jahn, if not he will start whining in about an hour how deep his post are and no one listens to him unless he just has one liners that are shallow

  141. jahndoh says:

    Here’s protocol. I think we have a power in our collective voice, but I’d hate to see any blame shifted from the Pats here. They cheated and deserve to be punished.

    “So the competition committee said, ‘We’re going to let the quarterbacks determine which footballs they want, practice with them all week, do what you want with them, as long as the football is not overly scuffed up. Then submit that ball to the officials, and the officials can tell if they’d want to use it for a game, and then they’ll stick a gauge into it and check the weight. Once they do that, that ball has met the requirements, and they put them in a bag, and they stay in that room with them, that locker room, until they leave to go to the field about 10 minutes before kickoff.”

    -Jim Daopoulos, An on-field NFL official from 1989-2000 and the NFL’s supervisor of officials from 2001-12.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/24/expert-explains-protocol-with-nfl-game-balls/fCtQ38pBjBFXId0WJC2wpL/story.html

  142. CavalierKong says:

    Jahn,

    I guess when it comes to the refs I’m thinking of them as being part of the league’s process in determining if there is wrong-doing. I would assume if the league is notified the Pets are cheating they would inform the refs and have them be part of the fist line so to speak…or…at the least make sure the refs follow protocol to the letter for this game so we don’t have something like “I’m not sure which needle I used” happen during an important investigation.

    I completely agree we’re talking about two different things if we’re talking about the refs not following protocol and the Pets cheating but my post was more about the league being incompetent in their handling of the cheating charge to begin with. If the refs weren’t informed that is even a bigger goof in my opinion. How could you not inform your refs of a possible impropriety and let them know “go about your business but be damned sure you take good account of your actions and findings when measuring these balls”.

    IMO the league left too much to chance or flat out handled it wrong. There shouldn’t have been any ambiguity on the part of the refs when it came to the measuring and testing process at halftime.

    • jahndoh says:

      Based on the article I linked above they did follow protocol and the conversation is only serving to deflect blame from the Pats at this point. That’s their goal. Get people talking about a bunch of noise that deflects from the over-arching point. They cheated and deserve to be punished.

    • jahndoh says:

      I’ve been listening to a LOT of NFL Radio this last week. This topic is a company line that Jim Miller has been propagating. It’s about deflecting blame from the Pats. If the investigation was botched from the onset, the punishment can not be valid.

  143. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    So how do you declare that income on your taxes Mr. Engineer?

    Income? do you know how much those whips and chains cost? it is a deductible loss. but so you know in your case, i deduct it as a charitable donation.

  144. The Flying Pig says:

    Agree Jahn
    Classic red herring with pats defense
    They just want everyone to take their eyes of the patriots

  145. Ken says:

    Jahn is correct. The Pats defense is about deflecting blame. No where in the defense do they come out and say we didn’t do this.

  146. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 14, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    The whips and chains don’t bother me but your leather chaps have to go.

    ok, see i told you. just stick with it and one day you will want me totally naked.

  147. herdfan says:

    Jahn:
    I’m not deflecting anything from NE. They cheated and for some time, not just one game. And it seems to me they couldn’t have done that without what I’d call some passive assistance from some game officials.

  148. CavalierKong says:

    Jahn,

    I have no doubt the Pets cheated but this isn’t over because of how the league handled it. This conversation is a continuing one about the way the league handles issues. I don’t see anything in that protocol about how the information is tracked and accounted for but we know the info is tracked yet there are multiple needles, refs unsure of what the did and different results throwing doubt upon the whole process.

    Why didn’t the league have a representative there at halftime to make damned sure to get an accurate accounting? Why weren’t the refs informed to make a detailed accurate accounting of their findings? Did they not take it seriously at first? I don’t know what the answers are but Is this any different than the initial “investigation” over the Ray Rice incident? It was bungled at the start (or brushed under the rug). It just seems it’s starting to become a reoccurring theme.

    • CavalierKong says:

      You can take this back to bountygate too. There were all sorts of inconsistencies in that investigation as well.

    • jahndoh says:

      Cav, actually some of your answers are in the Wells report. In fact, Troy Vincent HIMSELF was present in the locker room at halftime testing the footballs. Only Goodell himself is higher ranking in these matters.

  149. Try Pod says:

    Totally unrelated, but I watched this on the local news last night. I have to admit, it choked me up a little:
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/-fast-food-worker-helps-disabled-patron-in-heartwarming-video-165633994.html

  150. Tim Knight says:

    The Pats are trying to divert attention away from their wrong doings and play the victim to secure their legacy which is already tainted in the eyes of the majority of the NFL community. It’s not going to work. They already fucked this up so bad that more will come out about them, you watch. They have lost a lot of respect. Cheaters!!!!

    • CavalierKong says:

      No matter how the suspension and penalties end up they are toast in most NFL fans eyes. Everything they’ve done up to now just makes them look worse and worse. No more talk of what a “classy” organization they are, lol.

    • Ken says:

      I think the deflation diet was the final nail in the coffin. Any shred of respectability went out the window with that bullshit excuse but it does make for good entertainment.

  151. getterdone says:

    Bills signed No. 155 overall pick RB Karlos Williams to a four-year contract.
    A converted safety, Williams averaged 5.89 yards per carry at Florida State. He also caught 37 passes, and surprisingly flashed 4.48 speed at the Combine. Those are impressive wheels for a 6-foot-1 back who weighs 230 pounds. Williams won’t make a rookie impact behind LeSean McCoy or Fred Jackson, but could make Bryce Brown or Anthony Dixon expendable.

  152. Try Pod says:

    This is the exact opposite of the previous post, and made me ask “how does anybody think this is funny?”
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7274206?ir=Entertainment

  153. CavalierKong says:

    I’m sorry to post and run but my daughter is begging me to play Balderdash since it takes at least 3 to play, lol.

    At the end of the day I hope the cheats get everything that is coming to them.

  154. Tim Knight says:

    Kong, there are reports that other QBs have said in games they played against the Pats years ago they got balls that looked like they were right out of the box where the Pats looked like they were playing with balls from the 1940s. LOL

  155. Ken says:

    Every investigation has flaws and no investigation is perfect. But objectively is there anyone who objectively read the Wells report and does not think the Pats cheated? If you are looking for flaws they are there but so too is a preponderance of the evidence that the Pats and Brady were engaged in an effort to circumvent the rules. That’s the issue and the only issue that the Wells report was concerned with.

  156. Ken says:

    Alright I too must call it a night. FFR has scared me off. LOL. I am out Peace to you all.

  157. Rhino says:

    Jahn, if you are still around… here’s a Warriors video that came out for Curry’s mvl

    • Rhino says:

      ^MVP, not mvl (that’s me… most valuable lounger)

    • jahndoh says:

      It’s amazing how cheezy that song is and how I still got goosebumps. Glad he’s not the kind of kid who lets stuff go to his head. He’d be an ego maniac of titanic proportions. lol…he’s already being talked about as one of the best pure shooters of all time…fastest ever to 1000 3 pointers, fastest ever to 100 post season 3 pointers, and he’s only 27!

      Crazy. What a ride. Glad to be on it with ya Rhino.

  158. jahndoh says:

    Herd,

    In no way shape or form would I ever accuse YOU of intentionally deflecting blame, I just think the fact we’re talking about it is exactly what the Pats want. AFTER they get their asses handed to them on a platter and it’s carried out, I’ll help you to the end of days pick apart what the refs may have done wrong. I don’t play favorites…outside of the Fins and the Sharks, and the A’s and the Warriors, and my family, and my friends, and I think that’s all the exceptions. 🙂

    • herdfan says:

      My point is basically the Pats have been cheating for a long time and they can’t do it without what I’d call some passive help from the officials. That doesn’t lessen what happened. It makes it worse IMO.

      • jahndoh says:

        I think that’s fair. Like I said, if we can get a foothold on that, I’ll work really hard to help you out. For today I’ve been aiming for the Patriots heads specifically. Again, it’s just about the fact that I know the Patriots would rather us talk about the refs then talk about them. Deflection 101, a guilty man’s best defense.

  159. finfanrob says:

    ok i am out for the night….and by out i mean outside of kens window

  160. getterdone says:

    Oops, no one read my post. Guess I should not talk about other teams or players and stay on point with ‘All Things Patriots’ 🙄

  161. Tim Knight says:

    I was thinking about our offense today and comparing it to how much Hickey having a year under his belt as a GM helps him know the team better even with new additions that he brought in, but so does Lazor and his staff. I feel that alone should help the team get better. Lazor knows what some guys do well and don’t and what some knew guys are projected to do well a lot better than when he came in last year and knew nobody really or how this was going to work. I think phase two of this offense with some new talent could take off.

    Not to discount the defense which made some major moves, but that’s a different topic. 🙂

    • jahndoh says:

      I think so too Tim, and I sure hope it comes to fruition this season before our very eyes.

      • Tim Knight says:

        If Parker is the real deal as a rookie we’ll be in the playoffs. His size and skill set was something we did not have. His catch radius and underrated speed 4.45 for a guy 6-3 209 can be very underestimated. Once in stride, hard to catch. Add that to the quality receivers we already had. The RB position could be another key to taking the next step. All our backs can catch the ball and run well.

    • getterdone says:

      Well, so here’s to the continuity thing. Hence retaining Bazooka Joe.
      Year 2 under Lazor, and Benton….should really see some strides made here on Offense.
      Tanny even said it’s like night & day for him going into this season knowing the offense. He feels very comfortable. Now if only the OL can keep him feeling that way! 😉

      On Defense, Year 2 of Hickey reshaping the personnel to fit Coyle’s D. We weren’t far off on this side of the ball. The new adds & developing 2nd-3rd year players should begin to Rock!

      We look very promising on paper right now, on both sides of the ball.

      Go Phins!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Good wrap up, that’s my positive preseason view at this time as well. LOL

      • getterdone says:

        Tim, Thanks bro!
        Yes, I’m excited, and other Phin fans I talk to in my town are as well.
        Suh was the great cog in the wheel that got this promising offseason rolling.
        I like how the rest of it played out like a very well orchestrated plan that us die hards can see.
        The molding going on in key areas is something to be really appreciated and excited about.

  162. getterdone says:

    Here we go. Kraft’s gimp is now activated…SMH!

    Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman reports commissioner Roger Goodell will personally preside over Tom Brady’s appeal of his four-game suspension.
    It’s been confirmed by ESPN’s Ed Werder. Freeman calls the development “huge and unexpected.” The NFLPA had been seeking a neutral arbitrator. With Goodell personally taking responsibility for the case, he’s putting the result squarely on his shoulders. We’d interpret it as the commissioner looking for an out after a week of brutal publicity. It wouldn’t be shocking if Brady’s four-game ban was slashed to 1-2 games.

  163. Tim Knight says:

    Does this ball look right out of the box or preferred? It looks like a baseball bat. LOL
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/

    • Tim Knight says:

      If you didn’t know, that’s the deflater doing that thing he does to lose weight right before our very eyes. LMAO!!!

  164. Tim Knight says:

    GD, so what’s the rule? Can you do that or not? It’s like a broken in baseball glove or bat with pine tar on it. Is that the way the NFL plays its game? I always thought both teams played with NFL balls, not preferences. In baseball the Ump decides the ball.

    Anyone saying a good grip doesn’t matter is forgetting their days playing sports. It always mattered and I know what those slippery out of the box balls felt like. You couldn’t grip them.

    Go ahead… have at the ball gripping thing. You know what I’m saying. LOL

  165. The Flying Pig says:

    Roger Goodell will hear Brady’s appeal

    Lol!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Brady: I never focused on ball inflation or deflation hahahaha!!! But everyone does it. Do you know my ball boy is trying to lose weight? It gets so complicated!
      Goodell: I know, what to do?
      NFL Community:

  166. steveccnv says:

    I don’t know if you guys saw this, but Dansby claims the cheats tampered with their headsets in that snow game cheats 47 vs Cardinals 7.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/browns%e2%80%99-karlos-dansby-thinks-pats-tampered-with-headsets-in-2008/ar-BBjNAC1

    This was the game that came to my mind when I first heard about the 2007 rule change that allowed the visiting teams to use their own balls. The first season the cheats had a huge decline in fumbles per touch.

    This is what I’m talking about, fuck the cry brady suspension, I want to see the roof fall in on those cheating bastards.

    Today was Dansby, yesterday was AJ Feeley, tomorrow… Cheats done did lots of cheating, can’t wait for more to come out.

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