dolphins 73By: Randy Campbell (OLD DOLFAN)

 Game 5: MIAMI @ CLEVELAND; October 15, 1973

On Monday Night, October 15, 1973, the Miami Dolphins rolled into Cleveland’s Municipal Stadium as slight favorites to defeat the home standing Cleveland Browns, who were 3-1.  Many wondered aloud if this game would equal the 20-14 1972 playoff classic won by Miami when Jim Kiick scored the go-ahead touchdown in the game’s final, desperate, moments.  It was one of the most exciting games played by Miami during the NFL’s one and only Perfect Season.

The Cleveland Browns were the dominant franchise in the old All-American Football Conference from its inception in 1946 until its demise after the 1949 season.  Led by the legendary Hall of Fame coach Paul Brown and Hall of Fame quarterback Otto

PDHST Plain Dealer Historical Photographic Collection - Cleveland Browns - Hall of Fame - Coach Paul Brown with quarterback Otto Graham in the dressingroom after a game on Nov. 15, 1953, against the San Francisco 49ers. The Browns won 23-21. "Just think it could have been his ankle," Brown quipped. Cleveland News photo by George Hixon, staff photographer

PDHST Plain Dealer Historical Photographic Collection – Cleveland Browns – Hall of Fame – Coach Paul Brown with quarterback Otto Graham in the dressingroom after a game on Nov. 15, 1953, against the San Francisco 49ers. The Browns won 23-21. “Just think it could have been his ankle,” Brown quipped. Cleveland News photo by George Hixon, staff photographer

Graham, the Browns were seldom challenged in the AAFC.

Cleveland won all four league titles, losing only four games over that span.
In 1948, the Browns ran the table undefeated, culminating in a 35-7 win over Buffalo in the AAFC championship game.  (The NFL does NOT give Cleveland credit for a perfect season because these games, mostly against vastly inferior teams, did not take place in the NFL).  When the league folded, the Browns, the 49ers, and the first team known as the Baltimore Colts, were absorbed into the NFL.

Most observors believed the Browns would be over matched by the top teams in the NFL.  But they were proven wrong when Lou Groza’s last minute field goal gave Cleveland a 30-28 victory over the L. A. Rams in the 1950 NFL title game.  Cleveland would make it to the championship game for five more consecutive seasons, winning two more NFL titles in 1954 and 1955, Thus, counting the AAFC title games, from 1946 to 1955 the Browns made it to the Championship game for 10 consecutive seasons, a record that WILL NEVER BE BROKEN!!

In 1964, led by the incomparable running back, Jim Brown, the Browns claimed their fourth NFL championship.  That 1964 title represents the city of Cleveland’s LAST CHAMPIONSHIP IN ANY MAJOR SPORT!!

The Cleveland team in October of 1973 resembled the Cleveland team that nearly upset the Dolphins in the previous playoff season.  Quarterback Mike Phipps was back.  His top receivers, Frank Pitts, Fair Hooker and TE Milt Morin were ready to go.  Running backs Leroy Kelly and Bo Scott were joined by new star Ken Brown.  Future Hall of Famer Gene Hickerson anchored the offensive line.

But Miami’s coaching staff noticed something wasn’t quite right.  Cleveland’s offense had averaged only 11.7 points per game over the last three games.  And the passing shula and arnsbargergame produced only 98 yards per game over that stretch.  (Indeed, Phipps would end the season with only 9 TD passes vs. 20 interceptions).  Both Shula and his outstanding defensive coordinator, Bill Arnsparger, believed the Dolphins’ defense WAS BETTER than any defense had faced in 1973.  They decided that the key to beating the Browns was to contain their running game and maintain good field position.  Sooner or later, Miami’s offense, which had scored 75 points in their last two victories, would produce enough big plays to defeat a very sound Cleveland defense.

Cleveland fans were extremely excited as kickoff neared at 9:05 PM.  Most of them had been drinking for several hours hoping THIS would be the year their beloved Brownies would finally get to their first Super Bowl.  (HINT: as Super Bowl XLVIX phippsapproaches in 2015, Browns’ fans are STILL WAITING for their first Super Bowl appearance!)

It was a damp, dreary, windy night in Cleveland.  Passing the ball would be difficult, especially so for deep passes.  Clearly, the team that ran the ball the best would have a distinct advantage.  Larry Csonka, from nearby Stow, Ohio, was familiar with these conditions.  He reveled in them!  He hoped Bob Griese would give him plenty of carries and plenty of chances to move the chains and score touchdowns.

After a scoreless first quarter, Griese finally got the offense rolling.  Garo Yepremian lined yepremianup a 36 yard field goal attempt.  The winds swirled coming in from Lake Erie.  But Garo’s kick was right down the middle and Miami led 3-0.

Cleveland dominated the rest of the second quarter.  A 30 yard field goal by Don Cockroft tied the score at 3-3.  Then, just before halftime, Cockroft drilled a long 44 yard 3-pointer and the Browns led 6-3 at intermission.

In Miami’s locker room, the coaches decided to forego sweeps and slow-developing morris set upplays in favor of straight ahead quick-hitting plays.  A few minutes into the third quarter Mercury Morris broke a quick-hitter FOR 70 YARDS, all the way down to the Cleveland 9!!  Two Csonka runs moved the ball to the two.  On third down, Csonka bulldozed through Jerry Sherk for the touchdown that put Miami ahead 10-6!  “Now we’ve got a bang-up ball game,” said ABC’s Howard Cosell.  “And it’s the BROWNS who are getting banged-up,” replied Dandy Don Meredith.

Late in the third quarter a Browns’ drive stalled at the Miami 28.  Don Cockroft’s third field goal (a 35 yard effort) narrowed Miami’s lead to 10-9 entering the final quarter.

In last year’s playoff game, QB Mike Phipps was intercepted FIVE TIMES by the Dolphins’ defense.  Midway through the final quarter Phipps launched a long pass toward midfield.  It was PICKED-OFF by Miami’s “Captain Crunch,” linebacker Mike Kolen!  Kolen returned the pick all the way to the Cleveland 18 yard line!

Quarterback Bob Griese knew THIS was the time to turn the game over to Larry Csonka.  The bruising fullback’s first two carries gained only five yards.  on third and five both of Miami’s wide outs drew double coverage (the Warfield Factor).  So Griese simply handed off to Csonka who roared for nine yards and first and goal at the four!  Two carries later, Csonka scored the game clinching touchdown and the Dolphins had defeated Cleveland by a score of 17-9!

On the night, Morris ran 13 times for 94 yards, 70 of them on the biggest play of the night.  Larry Csonka, gained 114 yards (and BOTH touchdowns) on 21 bruising carries.  “Plain and simple, it was too much Larry Csonka tonight,” said Howard Cosell.

Next up for Miami, the 4-1 Buffalo Bills led by O. J. Simpson.  Where else to play this battle for first place than in the historic Orange Bowl?  The 1973 Miami Dolphins were now 4-1.


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  1. Brian in NY says:

    Nice work OD! I have fond memories of watching highlights from the glory years, in particular Csonka’s bruising running style and our ferocious D.

  2. olddolphan says:

    THANKS VERY MUCH, BRIAN! – – Stat freaks like Ken will get a kick out of Bob Griese’s performance this windy, rainy, night at the Mistake By The Lake. –He was 3-11 for 51 yards and two interceptions!! Yet, by the end of the game, Miami had come out on top (my thanks to HERD for providing the stats link). – – THOSE STATS PROVED that, against a pretty good team, Miami could still win on the road due in no small part to what Brian calls “Csonka’s bruising running style and our ferocious D.” – – A TRUE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM should have the ability to win when the quarterback has an off night. IF the 2015 Dolphins win a road game when Tannehill has a truly bad game, then we will know that Miami has taken a big step toward winning its third Super Bowl.–Thanks again to HERD for her help on this article.

  3. Tim Knight says:

    So we won again and Griese was 3-11 51 yards and 2 INTs. LOL

    Such a different era that was. No way does a team win today with a QB putting up stats like that.

    • olddolphan says:

      NEVER say “no way” Tim. Last year, during a dreadful weather day, one of the networks listed all the games in the last 5 years won by NFL teams who passed for under 100 yards. It DOES happen, especially if it’s an outdoor game played in foul weather. I happen to believe that the tandem of Miler and Ajayi will be one of the NFL’s best this season. IF our O-line can create a few holes, we SHOULD be able to run the bal in bad weather. Time will tell.

      • Tim Knight says:

        OD, teams still pass in bad weather these days. I’m not saying teams don’t pass for under 100 yards, but do they win the game? 3-11 51 yards and 2 INTs is pretty bad regardless of what era we’re in. I shouldn’t have said never, but I doubt the winning pct. would be very high for a team with QB stats like that.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      The photo of Otto Graham says it all
      Imagine Tom Brady being beat up like that after a game

  4. The Flying Pig says:

    Good stuff OD
    Another win for the ’73 Dolphins

  5. olddolphan says:

    Thanks to Piggy, Tim, and every one of you who take the time to read this article. –Gotta leave for a convention in Orlando. Talk to you wonderful Dolfans in a few days.

  6. son of a son of a shula says:

    I know we win next too, know why?
    Cause Buffalo was 0 for the 70’s against Miami. OD learnt me that.

    OD, with Suh added to our D I like our chances in a close game that as you said where Tannehill may have a bad or off game. Plus with Ajayi joining Miller I like our chances beating someone with our running game.

  7. D says:

    Was a question yesterday about who had the best D-Line in AFC East, of course our guy was like Miami is third at best….lol, but at least the Pats writer seems to give us credit for potential being the best, since as he put it we had best interior DL in the league and one of the best pur edge rushers in the NFL. He showed a lot of respect for Cam Wake.

    What do you guys think, who has the best from 4 on defense in our division?

    I think Buffalo is pretty even with us. I think Wake is pretty even with if not slightly better than Williams, i think Hughes is about even if not slightly better than Vernon. Suh is a good bit better than Dareus, but i think Kyle Williams is better than Mitchell. So all in all its a pretty even wash. Jets i think are slightly behind us but its a little more difficult to compare personnel for a 3-4 and a 4-3. Pats, are pretty significantly behind the rest of the division on D side all together, but loss of Wilfork definitely took the umph from their DL.

    Buffalo may have a slight advantage in the fact i think that Ryan gets the most of out his defensive players and he schemes his defenses better to confuse offenses, so maybe Buffalo does have a slight advantage over us, and may be better overall but its damn close on paper. Im hoping Mitchell and Vernon actually look much better this year due to better opportunities, so maybe at the end of the yer we are the clear front-runners.

  8. Mike E. says:

    When I look at defensive front 7, I think we’re 3rd in the AFC East, with BUF #1, and the NYJ #2. If I look at the entire defense, it’s a toss up between the Jets and Bills, with us 3rd. I Suhpose Son and others will disagree. lol

  9. Rockphin says:

    Hey D!

  10. Tim Knight says:

    D, the Jets are very good and deep at DT but I’m not that impressed with their edge guys. I’d give the edge to the Bills as #1 then us and then the Jets because I do not think our LBs are anywhere near as bad as people make them out to be. In fact I think we could be very good there.

    That said let’s see after they play a few games in 2015 because either way they’re all good.

    Suh makes a huge difference because he’s better than everyone of those DTs on the Bills and Jets.

    • Mike E. says:

      Our LB’s could be good, but they haven’t been good for a few years.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Jenkins was very good last year, Misi was good when not hurt and I love the potential of McCain. Remember it’s not Ellerbe and especially Wheeler anymore. I also think we upgraded our depth in 2015 with the addition of Paysinger, re-signing Sheppard who knows the defense now (he signed in Sept. last year and had to play catchup), and I think Tripp in year 2 will be better as well.

      • D says:

        I was focused on front 4 anyways, if i included LB’ers in the discussion my eval may be different though i too feel we are probably stronger at LB than a lot of people here do. We have one real question mark at LB and at least right now im confident in McCain for stepping up and manning that spot. Misi is only questionable in his ability to stay healthy, but i also feel Sheppard is about as good a backup as you can hope for, he has talent and if Misi goes down im pretty sure there wont be a big drop-off in production, NY may have the better LB’er corp, but i think they are better run stoppers but maybe not overall. We may have the best coverage LB in the AFC East in Jenkins, and he isnt a liability in run protection either as long as the DL is doing their job. A full year at the spot and i think next year he disengages blockers better. Pair that with Suh keeping them off him better and he should really excel this coming season.

        Misi is on par with Harris in being a sure tackler, and he is a better coverage LB’er. If he stays healthy we are as good LB’er wise as NY, Better than Buffalo without Alonso, nd definately better than Pats. So even including the 2nd level guys, we probably as strong or stronger than anyone else in AFC east. It would be a close race with us NY and BUF, if you include the LB’s but i think we might even be best if you added in LB’s. NY’s LB’s arent so much better than ours to make up for how much better our DL is than theirs.

  11. Mike E. says:

    Jenkins was good for a young player, and Misi was OK, but how many game changing plays did you get from that group?

    • D says:

      Jenkins was good for anyone playing that spot. He was one of the most highly ranked OLB’s in the league last year. Misi was good when he was in there and will likely be more so fter knowing his duties at MLB better. Misi is a good player, he just has a hard time staying on the field, but Sheppard will be able to step in if he goes down.

  12. D says:

    To be honest, our potentials at backup LB spots are so good that if any of them go down i dont forsee a big drop off in production. Paysinger is really solid, and if any of the younger guys are good enough to beat him out that in turn says they are pretty solid too. Sheppard is very good, so Misi’s backup is covered. Jenkins is the only one where the backup might be questionable as how close to his ability they are, but Paysinger could probably cover for him as well. Im pretty confidant in that group this year especially since they wont be called on to cover for a weak DL.

  13. Mike E. says:


    Misi isn’t better than David Harris at anything. Harris is a much better LB than Misi, and the guy plays 16 games a season. That statement comes off quite silly to me. Last year Harris had 124 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 2 FF’s. C’mon man, you’re over the top homer on this one.

    • Mike E. says:

      It’s OK, Tim will get over it. Now tell the truth. lol

      • D says:

        I think Misi is comparable. Harris has better instincts for the position, but he also has been and has always played at that position, but Misi is a very sure tackler, he is generally in the right spot and he is definately superior in coverage. Harris is a mediocre coverage LB’er

    • D says:

      So how are you comparing Harris in the 3-4 and a full year of stats to Misi in a 4-3 and a partial year stats? When Misi is on the field and healthy he up our run defense tremendously. Give it a year and see what ya say, i mean i know your a closet Jets fan but id say your too down on our players ability and arent being fair with your eval either lol.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I agree but Misi is just as physical and Harris is playing 3-4 ILB not MLB which is a different dynamic.

      If Misi stays healthy I see him stuffing the run quite a bit this year. He’s also better dropping in coverage than he’s given credit for. People also forget last year was his 1st season playing MLB and on a high ankle sprain all season, where Harris has played inside for 8 years so let’s take that into account too.

      My focus is on the 2015 season not the past because it’s not the same for any of the teams.

  14. D says:

    Id say basing it off stats is very difficult Mike, 3-4 MLB should have more tackles, he has an easier job, flow to ball carrier and tackle him, he doesnt have to be solely responsible for manage the defense, he doesnt have sole middle of the field responsibility in coverage, 4-3 MLB is much tougher job than 3-4. I am factoring in those things, and the fact that a 4-3 LB SHOULDNT have to be the tackler, the DT should eat us a good portion of tackles in the middle.

  15. Mike E. says:

    I think Misi is comparable with Harris in the fact that they both play LB in the NFL. Other than that, Harris, is, and has overwhelmingly been the far better player. It’s really not even close, never has been.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Misi has played one year inside compared to Harris’ 8 years. You can’t discount that. Misi started off as a 3-4 OLB, than a 4-3 OLB, than a 4-3 MLB. Harris has always been a 3-4 ILB.

      I like Harris as a player and don’t think we can compare their careers but I’m talking about the 2015 defense’s potential as a whole not personal careers.

      • Mike E. says:

        I can discount that, because that’s what makes the discussion silly. Misi is always a could be, while Harris has always been a great player. There’s no reason to compare the 2, but D did, so that’s where it started.

  16. Mike E. says:


    YOU compared Misi to Harris, not me. Forget stats, Harris has always been one of the better ILB’s in the NFL. Misi’s name won’t come up anywhere in the world in that discussion except on this blog.

  17. Mike E. says:

    BTW, 3-4 ILB is no easier than 4-3 MLB. In theory, the 4-3 LB should have less interference from OL than in the 3-4. Not sure why you say 3-4 ILB is easier. It’s usually a much more physical job and requires bigger stronger players.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think Misi would be a better 3-4 ILB than a 4-3 MLB. He’s 6-3 250 and plenty big, strong and physical enough for it. 4-3 MLBs have to cover much more ground.

      • Mike E. says:

        Maybe he would. Maybe he should play for the Jets when Harris retires. lol

        Still, I don’t agree that 3-4 ILB is easier than 4-3 MLB, not one bit.

  18. Tim Knight says:

    Mike E, MLB is a different beast. You need to cover more ground, there is no debating that. That’s why 4-3 LBs in general are smaller and faster. 3-4 LBs are bigger and stronger. It’s like comparing a 3-4 NT to a 4-3 DT. Not the same job. I never said one was more difficult, just different.

    • Mike E. says:

      I know you didn’t, that was for D. David Harris is pretty fast, and he always covered ground well, but he adapted well to 3-4 ILB. He ran a 4.59 40, while Misi ran a 4.75. I think Harris is probably still faster than Misi.

  19. stangerx says:

    Nice job OD.

    “That 1964 title represents the city of Cleveland’s LAST CHAMPIONSHIP IN ANY MAJOR SPORT!!”

    Lebron tried to make you change that this year……but it’s good for now.

  20. stangerx says:

    “Andre Johnson still has a lot of love for his hometown of Miami.So much so that the former University of Miami star said he would have loved to play for the Miami Dolphins, but they never called in the offseason.

    “I always had a dream of playing at home. I was a huge Dolphins fan. But they never called.””

    Guess he’s on the downswing compared to where the team is, but still would have been real interesting.

  21. Tim Knight says:

    You may not agree with D’s comparison that Misi is as good as Harris and I’d have to disagree with that too because it’s almost impossible to do based on where they’ve played and the stats. I think his main point was that a healthy Misi in our current defense could have just as much impact as the Jets ILBs in their defense which I think is possible. I really would like to see a healthy Misi in his 2nd season at MLB with this current defense. Let’s hope that happens.

    • Mike E. says:

      I hear that. Hopefully Misi has a great year, with Suh up front, and the rest of the Dolphins defense too. We’ll be the 2nd iteration of the no name defense + Suh

  22. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I swear Misi’s play dropped off last year after him and his wife had a baby. Maybe lack of sleep 🙂

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s possible but he injured his ankle in game one against the Pats and it hampered him all season causing him to miss 4 games and to come out of games.

  23. Tim Knight says:

    Boulder, I don’t think Andre Johnson will be the reason the Colts win the super bowl, it will be their defense that helps them get over the hump. The Colts could already score without him.

    • stangerx says:

      He’s still a heck of target though. Like what I’ve seen from Jennings and Johnson cost more but not the same level.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s been a very good/great player but he’s also getting up there in age turning 34 in a few days. Strange he’s never had double digit TDs in his 12 year career.

        I like our WR group.

      • stangerx says:

        I like our group too, but unless Johnson’s game goes down he’ll still be getting doubled a lot. Only target we have that will get that is (hopefully) Parker. Having two of them is even better. Our redzone should be better already, but Cameron, Parker and Johnson would be hard to matchup with.

  24. D says:

    Mike What i was comparing in terms of LB play is that MIsi and his play in our system is coparable to Harris. Harris as i said earlier has better LB instincts, but he couldnt run our defense any better than Misi. He is unaccustomed to being a 4-3 MLB and his coverage liabilities would kill him as a 4-3 MLB. I said its almost impossible to compare them, i tried, since oyu were including from 7’s and talking about how the Jets lB’ers made their overall front 7 better than us. I didsagree with it, and i tried to related what Harris does for the Jets is equatable to what level of play Misi brings to our, all things considered. They really arent overly comparable but i was trying to make the connection so you would see our defense, including LB group isnt nearly third in this league now, with the changes made.

    As far as your idea that 3-4 MLB isnt easier than 4-3 MLB, thats flat out wrong. MLB in 4-3 have WAY more responsibilities than 3-4, simply because they become almsot completely responsible for the reading of the play prior to snap, calling formation changes, and then reading and reacting to pass/run for the coverage assignments they have that a 3-4 isnt as responsible for. having to guys manning the middle makes their job easier. Its why Ellerbe was successful in 3-4 but not in 4-3, he didnt have what it took to run the defense, he didnt have what it took to be the sole man in the middle.

    I playd in a 4-4 defense in HS, sometimes at MLB, you get an assignment player to watch and key on, you shadow them and flow to the football, you spot pass and watch your guy. 4-3 guy has to watch his zone, keying on a couple differnt players, They have no one to support a HB back dive run with a lead blocker where you are almost guaranteed to have to engage at least the FB by yourself. Im not saying any job in the NFL is easy, but easier….it most definitely is.

  25. D says:

    Also if i got you riled up with the closet jets fan sttement, please refer to the original post where i did put an lol.

  26. D says:

    I think Johnson will mean about as much as Jennings will for ours. They will be pretty much the same role player in each system, though i do think Jennings fits our system better than Johnson does Indy and i think Johnson becomes ofr decoy than target in Indy. He’s the guy that you better respect enough to put your better CB on him, or sommit a safety too because of his craftiness in route running, etc. The real targets are going to be their deep threat guys and getting them single coverage because of the safety commit for Johnson. I expect Dorsett and Hilton to have really good years because of him.

  27. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, in our 3 WR sets with Cameron at TE and one RB, not sure teams will be able to double anyone. You also can’t double two guys in the red zone or someone will be totally free. I also expect Landry to be a more dynamic player this year.

    • stangerx says:

      Wallace got either doubled or if you want had the safety rolling his way. And the fact that you can’t double two guys is exactly why you’d like to have two guys that otherwise would be getting that. Now if Landry moves up to that level……..that would be incredibly nice.

  28. The Flying Pig says:

    I will be okay on not bringing in Johnson no matter the results

    I am pretty sure he will be more productive statistically than Jennings
    and I think the Colts (albeit I think they have some glaring weaknesses) are poised to be the next AFC team up

    I like what we brought in at receiver this offseason
    Jennings might not be Andre Johnson but he is our vet on a group of younger guys – and I like that we have built a unit with young talent.

    The Colts did something similar when they drafted Luck, they took receivers (including TEs) with their next few picks, its a good way to build a stronger passing game IMO

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      I don’t care about money. We could afford to get Johnson. The only way IMO getting jennings is better than getting johnson is if jennings has better production.

  29. The Flying Pig says:


    Did the Colts do anything to address their defense this offseason

    The Cheatriots ran all over them in the AFC Championship game
    And while they brought in quality vets on offense like Johnson and Gore
    I don;t think they did a whole lot to stop the run

  30. The Flying Pig says:

    “That 1964 title represents the city of Cleveland’s LAST CHAMPIONSHIP IN ANY MAJOR SPORT!!”

    Cleveland also won a trophy for city most like turd

  31. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, not sure who the defensive players were the Colts brought in if anyone. Mike Francesa is a huge fan of Luck but he thinks the Colts are nuts if they think they can keep winning like this without shoring up their OL and their defense. Even though they made it to the AFC championship game, he thinks they’ll get knocked off again if they don’t shore up their weaknesses, that’s if they even get that far this year.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      that is my feeling on the Colts too

      the OL and the D are issues
      especially the D

      they brought in quality vets but ignored their defensive front and I am lost at hopw they did that given how they lost the AFC Championship

      but honestly their OL has performed better than ours the last few years and they haven;t really addressed it at all in that time

      • BoulderPhinfan says:

        You mean Luck has performed better behind his shitty o-line than tanny has behind his. Some QBs make their olines look better than they are with their pocket presence. Just look at manning and brady.

    • Tim Knight says:

      They did add Kendall Langford. LOL

      Not sure about some of their personnel on their 3-4 defense. They’ve got some aging guys starting.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      They’ll go deep in the playoffs because they have Luck. He’s proven that he doesn’t need a great o-line or defense to win.

  32. D says:

    Andre Johnson would have worked for us as well. I pulled for us to get him, i think he’s a great player. He woulda played the same role as we will have Jennings playing though at a cheaper cost and more potential to be here longer. Also getting a guy like Parker in the draft, we pretty much got younger, cheaper and potentially more explosive player anyways.If you look at Parker vs Johnson you see a very similar receiver, same size, same height, same speed, both run good routes and have a large catch radius.

  33. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, Luck takes a lot of hits. He’s been sacked 100 times his first 3 seasons (average) but he also gets hit a lot after he throws. He’s a big, strong guy though.

  34. Brian in NY says:

    Why the change in the font?

  35. Brian in NY says:

    Airfare is $538 for the fest weekend. WTF?

  36. Tim Knight says:

    Boulder, you think A. Johnson is the difference in playoffs or not?

    Based on last year besides the shitty WR room we had, I’d say OL and run defense did us in, not the offense from a skilled perspective.

  37. Tim Knight says:

    Boulder, Luck comes from behind in games because he fucks up at other points in the game and he has a gunslinger mentality. He also plays in a crap division. I’ll give him the edge on Tanny at this time anyway but we didn’t miss the playoffs because of Tanny last year.

  38. The Flying Pig says:


    you are missing my point
    The Colts DRAFTED Fleener, TY Hilton, Dwayne Allen and even Levon Brazil in the draft
    they drafted a lot of young talented receivers
    (they also have Reggie wayne)
    They put themselves in a position to sign (probably overpay) Andre Johnson
    and he might be a different maker for them

    But for us to sign Andre Johnson probably doesn;t make as much sense
    #1 you give up the $ you could have spent elsewhere – but more importantly you want to bring in that young talent on its rookie contract

    I’ve been begging for the Dolphins to do this at the skill position for a few years now
    And finally this offseason we appear close to getting that

    I only see Jennings or Johnson as guys for an immediate impact but I don;t see either as long term solutions
    And I don;t really care which one we brought in
    I don;t think either is a difference maker for us

    given those facts I am probably more inclined to take the cheaper of the two

    IMO the design of the offense is around Parker, Stills and Landry at WR at their production is the key to our success, not whether we had Johnson or Jennings

    that is just not a make or break move IMO

    I don;t know if it the plan pays off at the end of the day
    I’m only judging in terms of if I like the plan
    I’ve never been a huge fan of signing age skill players to big contracts
    As a matter of fact, I really don’t signing guys in their prime at skill positions
    I tend to think the draft is a good place to bring in WRs, RBs, and TEs
    They can have a big impact immediatly and you free up cap space to be spent eleshwere (skill players are often grossly overpaid via FA)

    But I admit, my opinion on this isn’t driven by results so much
    Even if I like what we do, we might be 8-8 again (Piggy Shrugs)

    • Tim Knight says:

      They drafted an OT Mewhort in the 2nd and another WR Moncrief in the 3rd this year. They are all in building around him but he doesn’t need any of them. He can do all by himself. LOL

      • Tim Knight says:

        Sorry that was in 2014, they then added WR Dorsett this year. They drafted a lot of defense this year. The last two seasons they have drafted 3 OL and two WRs high along with who they already had. Luck has a lot of weapons and they’re trying to protect him better at the same time. It’s not a one man show.

  39. Brian in NY says:

    Flights out of NYC should be cheaper, but that’s another half day of travel for me each way. I’d start looking soon.

  40. Al in MIA says:

    I highly recommend using the website
    You can set whatever price you want the website to track.
    The second a fare is announced at the preset price you are looking for, the system sends you a notification.

  41. Al in MIA says:

    Don’t panic with the airline prices as this is the game they like to play (make people feel like prices keep going up as you get closer to departure times).
    For example, I panicked and took a 560$ fare to Punta Cana for a wedding I will attend next week. Purchased it a month ago and for 2 solid months all I saw was fluctuations of 500-650.
    This morning I saw one for 375 on an airline that kept showing nothing lower than 500 the last 2 months.

  42. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I’m just tired of building the team for the future at the expense of winning now. I want to win this year. If getting johnson instead of jennings means we’ll win this year then I’m all for it. Signing johnson instead jennings wouldn’t have stopped us from drafting all those players either. We have the money. I think the FO must have decided that jennings is a better fit in the system we run than johnson or jennings would play nicer with tanny than johnson.

    • D says:

      Yeah but i think Piggy is saying what im saying, Jennings/Johnson….no differnce to our team in what that player represented, he would have just been more expensive. So its like paying 6 bucks for and item that 2 stores down has it for 3 bucks. We pssed on Johnson and signed Jennings. Was a good move imo.

      • BoulderPhinfan says:

        I understand that. All I’m saying is we don’t know if it was a good move until after the upcoming season.

      • D says:

        Dont know it was a bad move either lol…so why worry over it.

      • D says:

        I dont think we are building for teams future bringing in Jennings, i think thats actually showing we are trying to win now. Having NOT brought in a vet receiver would have been a planning on the future move.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Piggy did say he’s been wanting us to do this for years. I think the entire organization expects to win now and for the near future. In no way do I think 8-8 and not making the playoffs will fly this year for anyone.

  43. D says:

    Al in MIA says:
    July 8, 2015 at 4:30 pm
    Don’t panic with the airline prices as this is the game they like to play (make people feel like prices keep going up as you get closer to departure times).
    For example, I panicked and took a 560$ fare to Punta Cana for a wedding I will attend next week. Purchased it a month ago and for 2 solid months all I saw was fluctuations of 500-650.
    This morning I saw one for 375 on an airline that kept showing nothing lower than 500 the last 2 months.
    It can go in either way. It all depends on if they get the flight booked or not. If they come up to a closer time and still have a bunch of seats left they are going to try to get them sold. They want that sardine can fully packed to maximize profits. If the flight is almost filled the price might even go up a little to see if they can capture a desperate traveler making a last minute flight.

    • D says:

      From what i have heard the best way to get the most affordable price is to purchase like a month out, gives time for the prices to settle down. Since its October which isnt a crazy travel month like some times in November are or December, you likely wont have to worry about the flight filling up and can wait until a month out. If this were any time around thanksgiving or Christmas id say go ahead and get them now, cause you may wind up driving if you dont lol.

  44. Mike E. says:


    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s the Ace now, not Harvey. Who’s this Eric Campbell guy hitting a late 2 run homer to give us some breathing room?

      This team has the pitching to be a playoff team but their hitting and questionable defense is likely to cost us.

    • Brian in NY says:

      Dude is a stud. I don’t move any of our young guns for anything less than a star bat.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed. We’re not getting a game changer this year at the plate. See if you can pick up a solid versatile ball player who can hit but I’m not trading top young pitching for solid.

  45. Tim Knight says:

    I think the WR flying under the radar is Stills. He’s got explosive ability and had over 900 yards last year – I know it was all Brees. LOL

    Landry is going to be a go-to-guy and Jennings will be productive too. The guy who takes us to a new level is Parker. We need that rangy WR who can go get it and he can also run after the catch.

    • Brian in NY says:

      Quite a few national guys I’ve read expect him to have a very good year.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Just turned 23 years old in April, has two years under his belt with 133 targets/95 receps 71% for 1,572 yards with a 16.5 YPCA and 8 TD is a pretty nice start to his young career. His best years should be ahead of him.

      • Brian in NY says:

        Agreed, My buddy (Steelers fan) even had to concede when we traded for him he said “Wow, that is a great pick up for you guys”.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Oh my, that’s not good. He likely fucked up his big payday and possibly his career. Having his entire right index finger removed? Ugh!

      • Brian in NY says:

        Yeah, it’s not like Ronnie Lott’s pinkie. He should be RUNNING to sign his contract for this year. The Giants pulled the $60 million offer off the table. At best, he has cost himself millions.

  46. Mike E. says:

    Oh wow, that’s worse than I expected with JPP. That’s a shame.

  47. Brian in NY says:

    Mike, have you checked out flights for the Fest yet?

    • Mike E. says:

      Nope. Have you?

      • Brian in NY says:

        Yes, earlier today: $538 from me to Fort Lauderdale. If it was in the $300’s I was going to just book it. I could make it a little cheaper if I return at 12:30 am, but I don’t feel like doing that.

  48. Mike E. says:

    Really sad. I heard from my friend who’s sick today, I knew he hasn’t been doing well lately, but he ( and I) were hoping he might feel well enough to go up to the mountains this weekend. Not only is he not going to make it, but he was admitted to Sloan Kettering today, and he was told it’s just a matter of time now. So sad, I haven’t seen him in a while, and now I’m not sure I will.

  49. Mike E. says:

    Thanks guys. This vacation is definitely not going to be the same. I know the whole group is hurting. His kids are going, but he and his wife are staying behind.

  50. Tim Knight says:

    Ronnie Lott had the tip of his pinkie removed, not the entire finger. JPP losing his right index finger is a whole different deal. Sorry that happened to him. That’s gonna be a tough battle not having total right hand ability.

  51. Mike E. says:

    I think Staubach also had his part of his pinky finger removed, maybe the entire finger, not sure.

  52. Brian in NY says:

    2 out of my 3 SIL’s have cancer. One, who has had multiple myloma (bone cancer) for almost three years now is going back on a heavy dose of Chemo. Just a matter of time for her from what I’ve been told. I think the average expectancy is 5-8 years after diagnosis. The other was recently diagnosed with breast cnacer, had surgery, and it looks good because they caught it very early, actually during her first exam after she turned 40. It’s a horrible disease.

    • Mike E. says:

      That’s awful, but good news for the one they caught early. Yeah, just a horrible disease, one I think we should have a cure for already.

  53. Tim Knight says:

    Bring Michael Conforto up and see what he can do at the next level. He’s 22 so it’s not like he’s a baby. What’s the worst that can happen, he hits sub .200 for a few weeks? He’ll be right in tune with most of the team. LOL

  54. Ken says:

    Nice job OD and yes I love the inclusion of the stats.

  55. Ken says:

    +++++vibes to Brian and his SILs

  56. Ken says:

    +++++Vibes to Mike E and his friend.

  57. herdfan says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    July 8, 2015 at 9:15 am (Edit)

    The photo of Otto Graham says it all
    Imagine Tom Brady being beat up like that after a game

    Yep, when I saw that one I had to use it. And something about the look in his eyes tells me he probably wouldn’t pass a concussion test by today’s standards.

  58. herdfan says:

    Wow, so sorry to hear about all the sad news with Brian and Mike’s friends and family.

  59. wyoming85 says:

    Sorry to hear everyone’s bad news!
    But the are rainbows sometimes!

    After breast cancer, Chemo, Radiology My wife just had her 4 year check up and came out still cancer free!
    One more year and she gets treated out of the cancer center!

    I’m sorry to hear the bad news, but just wanted ya’ll to know that there can be a rainbow! 😦

  60. D says:

    Sorry to hear about both of you guys and those close to you who have cancer. Brian my dad has multiple myloma depending on the agressi eness they may be able to survive a while with treatme ts. My dad developed it pretty young so both a curse and a blessing because he is physically able to deal with the treatments but bad because of cousre it meabd his life is going to becshortened even more. It is a very hortible disease that has already claimed tge life of my uncle, his was prostate cancer. Hope you SILs respond well to treatment and survive as long as possible. Same with you friend Mike, dont know much about stomach cancer but ive hsard its painful. I hope he at least does not suffer and hopefully treatment gives him at keast a few more years

  61. D says:

    Lol rocki just sawyour youtube post from way earlier….lmao too funny

  62. Rhino says:

    DeAndre Jordan’s relationship with Cuban:

  63. Rhino says:

    and when Jordan won’t take Cuban’s call:

  64. Rockphin says:

    D, I saw your post from yesterday and immediately thought of that scene. I am glad you appreciated it. LOL

  65. Rockphin says:

    Ok, I don’t usually tell jokes like this because most people find them offensive but I thought this one was funny;


  66. Mike E. says:

    That sucks for Wilson. I can’t really kill these guys for playing with fireworks. We all have probably done it at one time or another in our lives. Sucks that bad things happened though. CJ’s injury may hamper him more. Harder to catch the ball with 3 fingers on one hand.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      “Harder to catch the ball with 3 fingers on one hand.”

      Odell Beckham disagrees, says he only needs two, lol

    • Brian in NY says:

      Yeah, especially since he’s a DB too. It will affect his ability to use his hands on the receiver effectively as will. It also decreases his chances of getting a finger on the ball by 40% with that hand.

  67. son of a son of a shula says:

    Chances are that if you play in the NFL you’re making more money than you will at any other point in your life so why mess around with stuff that can physically harm you. Stay away from fireworks, motorcycles, hang gliders, scuba diving… all that stuff for the few years you are in the league.

    • Mike E. says:

      True, but these are kids. You remember when you were 18-24? I thought I was invincible. I drove home drunk from Long Island after going clubbing and drove 30-50 miles too drunk to drive. I didn’t have a $15M contract, but I could have died though.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Kids making big boy money and who have “people”.
        “Who are those people”

    • Brian in NY says:

      I hear you, but I concur with Mike. A simple solution to this is to not do soething with fireworks that we’ve heard a million times: light them off in your hand.

  68. son of a son of a shula says:

    LOL @ Rock, funny

  69. Mike E. says:


    They just want to have fun, that’s why they do these things. How many DUI arrests do you see from NFL players. They could have limo’s take them from place to place, but they’d rather get hammered and then get into their Lambo or Ferrari and drive 200 MPH. It’s just the way it is.

    • Brian in NY says:

      My buddies and I would go to Long Beach, get hammered, and whomever was the least drunk would drive. We would often drive on the bike path next to the Wantagh Parkway for a few miles at 4am. Young and stupid, but fun too!

  70. Tim Knight says:

    Wilson’s career is likely over, he was an undrafted fringe player anyway.

  71. Tim Knight says:

    Back in the late 80s and early 90s before DUI’s were enforced, most people I knew drove drunk. I remember in the 70’s adults drove while drinking.

    • Brian in NY says:

      True. I was lucky to have never gotten a DUI, or worse for that matter. Definitely did it more than I should have.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Same here, my friend and I were coming back from partying and it was late late, like 4-5 in the morning and I was driving. I woke up with my pickup just kind of passively gliding across lanes on the highway but nobody was on the road and I never hit the divider. Can’t tell you how long that was happening. But I woke my friend up, turned the radio up loud and said start talking. Scary shit.

  72. The Flying Pig says:

    I’m never going to touch fireworks again

    WTF is going on ?!?!

    • Tim Knight says:

      I stopped a long time ago and I was always extra careful because I was afraid of the consequences. I was never cocky with them.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I don;t remember them being so dangerous
        But I haven;t lit one in like a decade

  73. Mike E. says:

    We used to get “pineapples”, “M80’s”, Roman candles. I distinctly remember when I was about 13 or 14 a guy lighting a Roman candle and shooting them at people in the schoolyard, it was one of the bullies.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I remember we lit roman candles and shot them at each other when I was like 12

      it was dumb but but no one ever lost fingers or an eye an anything

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah the same kind of guy who shoots you with a BB gun and laughs. Assholes!!! LOL

  74. The Flying Pig says:

    I remember when I was a kid
    my older brother had a bb gun

    he was a year older and his birthday was in Oct and mine id Dec
    So we had a joint bday party…probably bc my parents were cheap

    and at some point my brother is playing with the bb gun
    and some dumbass kid dares him to shoot him in the foot

    and my dumbass brother pumps the gun like 10 times and shoots the kid point blank in the foot

    Next thing you know the kid is crying his eyes out
    his mother comes to pick him up
    the bday party is totally ruined

    He had a big bb size bruise on the top of his foot
    and bb size hole in his shoe….lol

  75. Tim Knight says:

    On Cabbage Night some kids would put shaving cream cans or rocks in their socks instead of flour. WTF was that all about? It was usually the older idiots and they would prey on the younger kids. We’d get word of it and it would be like Escape from New York. LOL

  76. The Flying Pig says:

    WTF is cabbage night Tim?

  77. The Flying Pig says:

    I remember calling it mischief night
    I never heard cabbage night before

    What was radish night like?

  78. Mike E. says:


    If you’re still lurking, the place I meant was OBI’s, not LBI. Guess I’ve been in Joisey too long. lol

  79. Mike E. says:

    We never got real heavy into mischief night, we just did the shaving cream, and threw eggs.

  80. The Flying Pig says:

    Last night one of my friends organized a law school reunion
    And of course drinks were plentiful
    and I;m hungover today

    But during the event I totally got roped into white water rafting with these two dudes from law school I didn;t know very well

    And now I don;t want to go

    And I need an excuse to email and bail on them

    to make matters worse
    later that night when most people went home and just me and a couple of my closer friends were law school were left
    Some one was talking about how they were pretty sure one of the two guys that roped me in to white water rafting was gay (without knowing that I was invited to do something with him this weekend)

    and now I realize that he is the one that initiated inviting me
    and its like an over night thing

    So my excuse by email has two use the word GIRLFRIEND in caps
    Any ideas?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Say you’re afraid of rock and cock.

    • Mike E. says:

      Dear John

      Just realized that was the weekend that my girlfriend Kim had planned an entire weekend of hetero activities including hours of sexual activity, and therefore will be unavailable to (EVER) go whitewater rafting with you on an overnight.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        That sounds pretty inconspicuous

        I think I should end it with
        “Sincerely and with great love for tits and ass, Piggy”

  81. The Flying Pig says:

    For all I know the term “white water rafting” might be some sort of gay slang term for sex
    I should probably look it up in urban dictionary

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Just looked it up on urban dictionary
      and there are about a half dozen sexual inuendos

      I gotta get that email out to cancel on thsoe guys

      • Tim Knight says:

        There is a basically a sexual reference for anything these days.

        Docking used to be what you did with a boat. LOL

  82. Mike E. says:

    He may want to white water raft on your moustache. lol

  83. Tim Knight says:

    Katrina likes to go white-water rafting on the weekends with the Bee-Gees. LMAO!!!

  84. Mike E. says:


    If you dock your phone, is that phone sex? lol

  85. Ken says:

    Seems to be lots of fireworks injuries this year. At least JPP was not like that dumbass that tried to launch a firework from his head. That guy ain’t with us no more.

  86. son of a son of a shula says:

    Dear John

    Just realized that was the weekend that my girlfriend Kim had planned an entire weekend of hetero activities including hours of sexual activity, and therefore will be unavailable to (EVER) go whitewater rafting with you on an overnight.
    Hey man that’s me and my wife. John and Kim, leave us out of Piggy’s queer water rafting.

  87. Ken says:

    Piggy during white water rafting to his friend:
    “Hey that’s not the paddle”

  88. The Flying Pig says:

    Would you believe urban dictionary also has something for “dirty fireworks”
    its also disgusting

  89. The Flying Pig says:

    I told my coworker friend about the white water rafting invite and he has been making fun of me for the last 20 minutes

  90. son of a son of a shula says:

    Piggs just tell the guy that even though you have a Jeep it doesn’t mean you are the outdoorsy type.

    You better do something cause as it stands now you have a date!

  91. Ken says:

    Why don’t you just tell your friend you are too hungover? Last thing I would want on raft is somebody tossing cookies or salad for that matter.

  92. son of a son of a shula says:

    Send the one and only Colonpokey in your place

  93. The Flying Pig says:

    I mean it could have totally been white water rafting with the guys and not at all gay

    I had to cancel
    its too weird

    I keep thinking how it can be more awkward
    me: “hey what should I bring to the rafting trip?”
    other guy” “lubricant”

  94. The Flying Pig says:

    I just sent an email and cancelled

    And I said that after a few drinks last night I forgot I already had plans with my girlfriend in North Fork
    Its a really bad excuse
    but I don;t care

    The guy also lives in my neighborhood
    with my luck I bump into him when I am by myself and not in North Fork

  95. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    July 9, 2015 at 10:26 am
    Yeah the same kind of guy who shoots you with a BB gun and laughs. Assholes!!! LOL
    By time i was old enough to play those kind of game we has pellet guns, pumped up enough they were about as dangerous as a .22 caliber rifle if you used the pellets. We had two rules, one it was only supposed to be one pump and we only used bb’s. We alsway seemed to follow the pellet rule, but the one pump rule went out the windows almost every time once someone got pissy about getting shot.

    I’ve got two scars on my arm from those days and one on my hand. The first on my arm was a glancing shot that clipped the side of my arm but hit it hard enough to blow a chunk out, and another where i had to get a knife and dig the bb out of my arm, as it had embedded itself about 3/4 of an inch deep. My hand was the scariest and most ainful as it hit me on a knuckle and deep enough to expose bone, im still glad it hit my hand because it was the one thing that kept it from hitting me in the face.

    Sometimes im surprised i survived my childhood, but when your a kid, shit like that doesn’t scare you. You feel 8ft tall and bulletproof. We also shot bottle rockets and roman candles at one another, and threw the spinning ones and black cats at each other. Never threw or shot anything much bigger but those things hurt pretty damn bad too.

  96. Al in MIA says:

    If Tim Bowens could play DT with only 2 toes on his left foot, JPP can play DE with 4 fingers!

  97. D says:

    Piggy….”Deliverance” was white water rafting witht he guys…..just saying, and your already known to make pig noises…soooooooooooo

  98. Al in MIA says:

    This site is no joke, lol.

    • D says:

      So how many times have you gone ….lol 🙂

    • Ken says:

      I am not checking that out from work. LOL.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Ah Ken we’re going to have to ask you to not browse anymore gay rafting trips in the office anymore, not that there’s anything wrong with that…

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Holy shit
      there is a entire site about it
      I can;t believe I was completely oblivious that it was a a gay dude invite

      All I could think about last night was that I wanted to go white water rafting
      I didn’t even think that the guy who invited me was gay

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Today he’s telling everyone that he outed you. They’re saying things like, “We thought there was something about him”

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I am probably going to get a dozen invites to gay spas before the end of the week

  99. Al in MIA says:


    “But Bowens was involved in an altercation in high school that led to him being stabbed with a hunting knife.

    Despite the stabbing, despite losing three toes on his left foot because of a lawn mower accident and despite his academic problems, Bowens never stopped playing football. His raw strength, his potential, his size – the Dolphins couldn’t pass them up despite the fact Bowens played only nine games at the NCAA Division I level.”

    • Tim Knight says:

      I remember reading his evaluations coming out of college and one phrase was “he looks like King Kong in shoulder pads”. Not sure that would fly today. LOL

  100. Tim Knight says:

    D, the asshole who shot me with a BB was my friends’ 19 year old cousin when we were 14 and it was a 10 pump pellet gun but he used a BB and one pump at close range. It still stung and hurt like a bitch!

  101. Ken says:

    Piggy is probably sitting in his office chair with his cheeks clenched a little tighter after visiting that site. LOL.

  102. son of a son of a shula says:

  103. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, you’ve determined he was using the gay white water reference?

    Did he say the river was his tub? LOL

  104. Tim Knight says:

    If Ken opened that site at work he’d find a chair like this the next morning.

  105. son of a son of a shula says:

    Words to live by:

    Never go white water rafting with anyone who isn’t family

  106. Ken says:

    It would be really funny now if the team announced as team building exercise it was going white water rafting.

  107. Ken says:

    What if Piggy’s fiend tells him to bring his girlfriend?

  108. The Flying Pig says:

    A tale of Trannies, Rafting and Pork

    • Ken says:

      Sounds like the subject matter of the next porcine odyssey.

    • Al in MIA says:


      I can just see it now.
      The rafting trip from NY to the Poconos with an obligatory stop in Buttzville NJ to eat at Hot Dog Johnny’s.
      Weekend reservations at a local Cock and Bull

  109. The Flying Pig says:

    Colonpokey is certain to make an appearance in that Oddyssey

  110. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, just call the movie White Water Rafting so the outdoor types go to see it and shock them with WTF? LOL

  111. Tim Knight says:

    Supplemental Draft starts soon.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Tampa took Battle in the 4th. They’re rebuilding so not bad for them. He was the only player drafted.

  112. Mike E. says:

    If my kids decided they didn’t want to have a relationship with me I’d just lock them in the basement, I wouldn’t ask a judge to do it. lol

    • Tim Knight says:

      And torture them with singing really bad songs and only feeding them lukewarm water, stale chips and over-cooked meats. LOL

  113. Ken says:

    There are days I wish my kids didn’t want to have lunch with me.

  114. Mike E. says:


    It was the Rams who took Battle, and it was a 5th RD pick

  115. D says:

    Tim, i think visitation laws require them to go, but i don know if the level they went to i have ever heard of. Usually if something impedes visitation one parent pulls the other back into court for the judge to rule on it, so seems to me the mother would have been most at risk of getting in trouble. Dont know that i have ever heard of a kid being punished for visitation refusal.

  116. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    July 9, 2015 at 1:57 pm
    Does she have lady parts? I know Caitlyn still has a salami. lol
    Damn Mike did he come in for the full service eye exam? Is that how you know?

    • Mike E. says:

      No, it was in one of the articles that someone posted here. He basically said he’s still attracted to women, and he wants to be able to please a woman, so he’s keeping his junk. lol

      • D says:

        Strange, i mean i understand transexualism doesnt always equate to being gay, but might be hard for hi to find a woman who wants to have a hetero relationship with a man who is otherwise all woman. Thinking his chances of finding love is pretty small lol.

      • Mike E. says:

        Oh it’s strange alright. I can’t comprehend any of it.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He just feels like a woman inside but likes his penis. LOL

  117. Brian in NY says:

    Tim Knight says:
    July 9, 2015 at 1:35 pm
    Tampa took Battle in the 4th. They’re rebuilding so not bad for them. He was the only player drafted.
    That was a mock draft Tim. The Rams took Battle in the 5th.

  118. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    July 9, 2015 at 3:04 pm
    I saw it reported the Bucs first then saw it was the Rams. Can’t trust the damn internet. LOL
    Very true. I read something the other day that said the Bucs who have first bid put in a 3rd round bid on him, but now im hearing 5th round to the Rams. Thats a pretty big disparity.

  119. Mike E. says:

    Freaking Tim is NO Adam Schefter! lol

  120. Brian in NY says:


    I’ve been to the OBI many times- it’s down Robert Moses Causeway, East of Long Beach. I’ve actually bungee-jumped buzzed off of a crane a bunch of times there!

  121. Mike E. says:

    LMAO @ Tim!

  122. Rockphin says:

    Tim & Brian, I am ashamed to admit this, but my car has driven my drunk ass home way too many times in my 20’s & early 30’s. literally 100’s of times. Thank god I never hurt anyone or got arrested for it!

    I got stopped one night coming home from a party in Ft. Lauderdale (lived in lake worth 30 miles north) and I was plastered. Do not pass go, go directly to jail drunk. The cop came to my window and asked for my license & registration for making an illegal left turn (There was a sign, but the way to the right was totally blocked by construction so you could ONLY go left) as he was walking back to his car to run my info I called my buddy to tell him get ready to bail me out, I’m going to jail.

    Well about the time the cop got back to his car, another guy makes the “illegal left turn” but he clips the center median and side swipes the cop car and tears off down the road. The cop ran back to my car, threw my stuff through my window and yelled “Don’t you go anywhere, you STAY RIGHT HERE” and ran back to his car and chased the other guy.

    I was still on the phone with my buddy and told him what happened and he said “sooooooooo, are you going to ‘stay right there?'”….I was like FUCK NO!

    I hit a u-turn in the middle of the road, jumped the median, took a right down a side street and took “the long way home”

    Funny story because no one was hurt, but TOTALLY ASSHOLEISH on my part.

  123. Rockphin says:

    Tim Knight says:
    July 9, 2015 at 11:00 am
    Say you’re afraid of rock and cock.

    Tim, why would he say that? The guy probably has never heard of me so dropping my name wont mean anything……

  124. Mike E. says:


    Every time I think of Caitlyn Jenner, that Jerky Boys skit with the gay guy runs through my head.

  125. Rockphin says:

    Damn it! I will never get that two minutes 43 seconds of my life back! I went back up the page to find your post about drunk driving, Mike, and you didn’t even tell a story about yourself. You were commenting on how the players can afford limos and such! grrrrrr


    • Mike E. says:

      Mike E. says:

      July 9, 2015 at 9:54 am (Edit)

      True, but these are kids. You remember when you were 18-24? I thought I was invincible. I drove home drunk from Long Island after going clubbing and drove 30-50 miles too drunk to drive. I didn’t have a $15M contract, but I could have died though.

      I did that many times too, just lucky, or a good drunk driver, or maybe both. Probably both

  126. Tim Knight says:

    When I was 17 myself and a few friends of mine drank some rum or gin or whatever, it was fucking disgusting at the time but I got lit. I had my mother’s car and we went for a cruise just locally. I didn’t make a complete stop at a stop sign so I got pulled over. I don’t know how he let me go nor did my friends but he did. Then again this was back when it wasn’t a slam dunk you’re getting a DUI.

    • D says:

      I havent done it much, but one time that i did was a scared straight moment. Lucky for me it happened on a rural road at the time of night no one was there but i literally passed out driving. Car went out of control and i remember waking up mid spin in what turned out to be at least two full 360 degree spins ended up on the side of the road opposite i was driving. Air smelled like friggin burnt rubber but nothing happened to me or the car other than having the shit scared out of me. Very very lucky. The car could have easily went into the culvert and crashed, there were houses in that area so i could have careened into one of them, just all in all very dumb on my part. Was like one of only a couple time i ever drove drunk and was the last time.

  127. Rockphin says:

    Hey Piggy, if you went white water rafting / camping with a couple of guys, and woke up after getting trashed drunk, then next morning with lube smeared all over your ass and a pain in your anus, would you tell anyone???

    • Tim Knight says:

      I wouldn’t because I’d soon be hunted down for murder. Why give them anymore clues. LOL

    • New Age says:

      Also, are you planning on bringing cream filled donuts to your adventure? Or just the regular glazed version. Might make a difference in how gentle they are…

  128. Brian in NY says:

    Watch your assets people:
    Breaking News (Yahoo)
    U.S. says hackers stole Social Security numbers from 21.5M

  129. Brian in NY says:

    Someties when I need a good laugh I watch this:

  130. D says:

    An ex GF of mine, who was an alcoholic, got a DUI once. She was driving home from New Orleans when she was like 18 i think and was so dunk she actually drove her car up on one of those concrete dividers you see near overpasses. Car was at like a 45 degree incline and she was still trying to drive down it. Cop pulled over and got her out of the car, and took her down to the police station. When they got there they asked her to take a breathalyzer test and she was so fucking hammered that she thought they had given her a cigarette so she started drawing in air instead of blowing into it. They had to tell her multiple times to blow into it before they finally got a reading on it. I think she blew like .25 or .3 or something insanely high. cost her like 1500 dollars and she had to do several weeks of community service.

  131. D says:

    These fucking shit head celebs with their “right to express themselves” as a way to be rude and not be held accountable for it.

  132. herdfan says:

    Obviously the issue with the white water rafting confusion is the gay community uses everyday terms to mean sex. Unlike the hetero population who uses terms that you KNOW are referring to sex.

  133. Rockphin says:

    Tim Knight says:
    July 9, 2015 at 3:54 pm
    I wouldn’t because I’d soon be hunted down for murder. Why give them anymore clues. LOL

    HA Tim has heard that joke before. “so….you want to go camping”

  134. Rockphin says:

    New Age says:
    July 9, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    Not very nice. Not nice at all.


  135. Tim Knight says:

    We used to party at my one friends house all the time. One night it was summer and still somewhat light out and we hear a loud bang. We all run from the backyard to see what the hell it was. We see this car hit the telephone poll right after his driveway. His car is smoking, the front end is all smashed up and his front wheels are all fucked up. He’s still trying to restart the car and a few of us are like yo man, you’re not going anywhere. Why don’t you just sit down over here and wait for the cops because you’re not getting out of this. Poor dude, he was Asian and didn’t speak good English and he was so drunk we couldn’t understand anything he said. LOL

  136. herdfan says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    July 9, 2015 at 4:22 pm (Edit)
    vulcanize the whoopie stick?

    See….if that guy had asked you on an overnighter to do that there would have been NO confusion. Lol

  137. Ken says:

    Until today I had kind of always wanted to try white water rafting. I don’t think I will ever do that now.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I wanted to do it too

      And just so there is no confusion about this invite
      One day we will place a kayak on water
      and travel over rapids

      but we will never call it white water rafting

  138. Tim Knight says:

    Gay dude: Hey Piggy, want to share our corn dogs some weekend?
    Piggy: Corn dogs, I don’t eat that crap.
    Gay dude: No, you know, our corn dogs?
    Piggy: I don’t have any corn dogs, I just told you I don’t eat that crap.
    Gay dude: Never mind, my god. lol

    Later that night Piggy lying in bed jumps up and yells fuck!!!!, he meant our corn dogs!!! I think he touched my cheek too. Uggghhhhh!!!!

  139. The Flying Pig says:

    Brian in NY says:
    July 9, 2015 at 4:07 pm (Edit)
    Yes. I also think our stadium has sucked in terms of a crowd noise factor. The seats are too far from the field.
    I wonder if the renovations affect that at all and make it better

    • Tim Knight says:

      People will likely want to go to see the new stadium and if the team starts winning it might stick. Let’s hope so.

  140. Rockphin says:

    Stir the up skirt yogurt?? Come on!!!

  141. Rockphin says:

    Brian in NY says:
    July 9, 2015 at 4:28 pm
    What were the results of the telephone poll?

    ZOOOOOMMM right over Tim’s head….

  142. Rockphin says:

    Piggy, yes definitely! They took out a bunch of seats in the upper corners for the future supports of the “roof” but they also added seats in the 100 section and moved them closer to the field.

  143. Rockphin says:

    If I recall correctly the reduced the number of seats overall by like 10K (so we should sell out easier) and moved the bottom level seats much closer to the field. So the reduction of seats will be offset by the closeness to the field (for noise)

  144. Rockphin says:

    Going to make like a leaf now.


  145. Tim Knight says:

    Rock, the telephone poll was a drunk story, not a gay story. LOL

  146. Mike E. says:

    Nogtih Rock!

  147. Mike E. says:


    No doubt. King also didn’t approve of Jack Nicholson, because he had already been crazy in “One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest”. He would have preferred Jon Voight, Christopher Reeves or Michael Moriarty to have played Jack. I suppose if Michael Moriarty played Jack, there would be less star power.

  148. Tim Knight says:

    I never read the book The Shining but I did read that the scene with the guy in the bear suit and the other dude made more sense in the book. It was more obscure in the movie and just strange.

    • Mike E. says:

      My wife and I crack up every time we see that scene with the two guys, but I thought it was a rabbit. lol

      • Tim Knight says:

        Others say it’s a dog as in good little doggy. There is a gay relationship there.

      • Mike E. says:

        I can see that. Freaky as hell no matter what. I was reading about the film, and Shelley Duvall (Wendy) was so stressed out about the constant changes in the scripts and the demands of Kubrick specifically, that her hair started falling out. She didn’t get along with Kubrick at all, and it appears Nicholson didn’t either.

  149. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ Brian on The Shining starring…

  150. Tim Knight says:

    Mike E, I heard that Kubrick wanted to make the owner of the hotel more of a sinister part of it all. They cut out a hospital scene at the end where Wendy and Danny are recovering and the owner of the hotel comes to see them and he tosses Danny the ball that he saw in the hallway. Spooky!

  151. Mike E. says:

    Stephen King admitted to having an alcohol problem of his own at the time he wrote The Shining.

  152. Mike E. says:

    You didn’t by any chance read Dr. Sleep, did you? It’s the sequel to The Shining. Came out late last year. I loved it.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’m not a book reader. I either get distracted or fall asleep and have to keep reading the same few pages over and over again. LOL

      I tried years ago. I did read a book of Stephen King short stories can’t remember the name of it and I enjoyed it and got through it. But big novels, no way. I tried to read Jaws back in the day and almost lost my mind trying to get into it. LOL

  153. Brian in NY says:

    I read one horror book when I was 19- “Pet Semetary”. I was so into that book I called a freind of mine “Gage” (his name is Jay).

    • Brian in NY says:

      Predictably, I was not in a good mental place after I read it. It was a great book, although I’m not sure why I listened to my older brother and read it.

  154. Mike E. says:

    I have a Stephen King library in my house. I’ve read at least 20 of his books.

  155. Mike E. says:


    That’s how I was with schoolbooks. I would read the same damn line over and over again. It was so frustrating.

  156. Brian in NY says:

    RIP Ken Stabler

  157. Mike E. says:

    I was just counting how many books I’ve read by Stephen King, I got to 40 and then got bored. lol

  158. Brian in NY says:

    And for your latest installment of “How bad can the Mets’ luck get”, Stephen Matz is shut down for 3 weeks with a partial lat tear!

  159. Tim Knight says:

    Good guy and QB. RIP The Snake!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yep! Can’t wait for the competition to begin. 🙂

      That said I can wait, I don’t want summer to go by too fast. The winter can do that to you. LOL

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