This is the last look at free agent offensive linemen. We’ve already covered the tackles and the guards, and now it’s time to look at the centers. This may be an exercise in futility, i get that, but there is always the possibility that we actually move on from C Mike Pouncey, whether it’s due to injury, salary, or a combination of both. So many fans are freaking out because we’re over the cap by $19M, and Mike Pouncey counts $9M against the cap, but this year his dead cap hit is only $2M, so releasing Pouncey for financial reasons is feasible. Can we replace him? I’m here to take a look at whether we can.
Ryan Jensen 6’3 310 26YO
Jensen started all 16 games last season for the Baltimore Ravens. He was drafted by the ravens in the 6th RD of the 2013 draft. He played some at LG and RG before finally becoming the Ravens center last season. He didn’t participate at the combine, but just to compare since the combine is all the rage right now, at his Colorado pro day, Jensen ran a 5.28 40, an 8’2′ broad jump, 25 1/2″ vertical, and put up 30 reps of 225lbs. Once again, I invoke the sentiment that if he can play for the Ravens, he can play for us. Spotrac projects Jensen to be worth around $9M per, so we would have to make his 1st year contract a cap friendly one, which isn’t difficult when you’re doing a long term deal.
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Weston Richburg 6’3 298 26YO
Weston Richburg was drafted in the 2nd RD by the Giants in the 2014 NFL draft. He started 47 of 48 games his first 3 seasons with the Giants. In 2017, Westburg suffered a concussion on Oct 1, (Game 4) and his slow recovery forced the Giants to put him on IR, ending his season. Richburg was a solid, if unspectacular starter for the Giants. The fact that they IRed him in his money year showed they didn’t really have any intention of re-signing him. He’s a young, average to above average NFL center. Missing 12 games in his final year before FA will hurt him salary wise, but how much, I don’t know.
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Russell Bodine 6’3 310 25YO
Now here’s a guy we should be interested in. Only 25 years old, he has started every single game in his 4 years in the NFL with the Bengals. His combine numbers were pretty impressive. 5.18 40, 42 reps of 225lbs, 29; vertical (both his bench press and vertical were tops). Bodine is a powerful guy who moves people and plays with a mean streak. He sounds like a perfect candidate here, but I have no idea what kind of salary he will be looking for.
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Brian Schwenke 6’3 314 27YO
I remember watching Schwenke in the Senior Bowl back in 2013 and being impressed by the kid. Stout powerful, with a chip on his shoulder, he did really in the drills, especially the mano a mano drills. He was drafted in the 4th RD in ’13 by the Titans, but his career never really took off there, starting only 30 games over 5 years. If you go by his combine numbers, he matches up pretty well, running a 4.99 40, putting up 31 reps, running a 7’31 cone drill, but all that hasn’t translated into NFL success. He would be an inexpensive pickup, but to expect him to play up to even an injured 80% Mike Pouncey level of play would be unlikely.
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Travis Swanson 6’5 312 27YO
So we want to replace one puff pastry with another? Travis Swanson seems to me like Mike Pouncey light (very light!). Just about the same size as Pouncey, Swanson is a finesse player, but was also a 2 time captain at Arkansas. Swanson has 42 starts over 4 years for the Detroit Lions, last year starting and playing in only 11 games. He was put on IR for the 2nd time in 2 years due to concussion issues. It’s been heavily rumored we have interest in Swanson, but I don’t get it. Didn’t we learn from Jordan Cameron? Should we replace our C with gossamer hips for a C with scattered grey matter? I’ll take a pass on that one, thank you! LOL – Is it me, or does Swanson even look like he’s trying to figure out what it is he’s doing on the field?
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So this completes the O-line folks. If you have any suggestions of guys I may have missed, feel free to mention them on the blog.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Piggy – Did you really want to just Keep Landry on the tag? To what end? he was NEVER going to sign here, because we were never going to pay him what he wanted.
Not only that, but he would be miserable the entire season, he could smell that money he was getting. Did you see that video of him from last night? He was on cloud 9 because he got his precious.
So here we go…
Once we cut Timmons and J. Thomas, we’ll have roughly $12M in cap space to play with in FA… and the cuts probably won’t stop there. If we sign Nigel Bradham, we won’t have to worry about getting a LB in Tremaine Edmunds or Roquan Smith in the Draft; our starting LBs would be Bradham, Raekwon, and Kiko.
This opens us up to take a top-4 QB or Quenton Nelson, but there’s no guarantee that any of them will be available @ R1P11… I see us making a push to move up. And if we really want to have much of a choice (instead of settling for the last guy available), we’re probably eyeing R1P4 (Cleveland).
I don’t know how to get there without trading current and future Draft capital… other than to trade Suh to Cleveland. And if we trade Suh to Cleveland, we’d better have an answer to replace him.
Edna Kish will replace him!
I’d say Suh to the Browns or one of the other teams that have a good deal of cap space is a pretty good possibility. He’d be a pretty good value for a team looking to get better on the d-line as we’d be eating all the bonus.
Also, don’t rule out a trade of Tannehill. I know Tim and others are sold that he’s our qb this year but I’m not buying it until we actually see him in camp and preseason. He’s another one who’s as good as gone as far as I’m concerned. The cap dump just started. There will be more to come and we’re not restructuring Tannehill because he’s not part of our future plans.
I don’t think Tannehill won’t be traded because we love him, I can’t imagine any team would trade for him now, even after a physical, without seeing him in action with his knee injury.
I think there comes a point in time for a team like this when the people running the show says “it’s time to go in another direction because doing what we’ve been doing hasn’t been working” and this is that time.
Tannehill is as good as gone. I’d get used to it now so people don’t have another meltdown like they did with Landry.
I’d take Shelton in a trade for Suh.
I won’t shed a tear if we trade Tannehilll, I’d be fine with it. I certainly won’t melt down. It looks we want to change things, that would be one more step in doing so
I’ve heard Edna Kish makes one hell of a knish.
In fact, I’ve heard that back home she’s known as The Queen of the Knish.
When did Landry become Antonio Brown?
I really liked the guy, but he wanted out. We heard all the rumblings about his running his own routes, his agent bad mouthing players, and who knows what else went on. I’m not happy at all he’s gone, but I’m glad there wasn’t another bad contract. There is a reason only a couple teams were in the running…..
I wish him the best in Cleveland. May he continue the success of all the past Phin WRs there.
I’m right with you on that. Landry is a great slot receiver, but we’ve all seen what happens when you put him on the outside….pretty average. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t get many millions for that, but as he showed exactly how many is debatable.
HULKSTER; I HOPE you are continuing to recover. We sure need your words of wisdom now, more than ever, counselor.
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My recent extended absence from this sight had nothing to do with the continued decline of this franchise. Just after the totally unexpected passing of our beloved Greyhound, I was hit by a truck (actually a serious side-swiping) so hard that it totaled my “Dolphin-mobile.” I was able to save my 1972 NFL CHAMPIONS front license plate, but that was about it. The vehicle was a total loss. A couple of days later, both of my hearing aids malfunctioned (they’re only a few months old). Then my youngest daughter, the one being treated for daily grand mal seizures, unexpectedly had a massive seizure while visiting one of her daughters (our youngest grand daughter) in Virginia. She got her skull stitched-up, her other wounds were treated, and, with a special head wrapping, she was flown back to her home in Tennessee where her husband, a para-medic instructor, is taking care of her. We are extremely upset about this situation. She’s scheduled to see her doctors at Vanderbilt who’ve been treating her for about two decades. It just tears me UP!!
We’ve had a few other, less serious, setbacks, but we SHALL OVERCOME THEM!! – – Thankfully, my job has become ultra-busy, for which I’m very thankful. Not enough hours in the day to handle all this, but I’ll find a way (with Mrs. OD’s invaluable help).
Peace.
Sorry to hear about all of that, but particularly your daughter having trouble again. Was hoping the surgery would do it. Where you OK after the accident? That’s all a lot to go through.
I’m mostly Ok, YS.
Glad to hear it. And if you need some advice on the practical side of the crash aftermath, you know my number. Plus Pig and Ken are lawyers and Ken handles that stuff all the time.
OD, really sorry to hear about some really trying times for you. I hope things start to take a turn for the better!
Sorta amazed at the boiling over reactions to the Landry trade, but guess I shouldn’t since have been on the board after many a loss. I expected him not to be with us, even if thought a long-term re-sign was an outside chance. After the Quinn signing, never thought he’d be playing for us on the franchise amount.
So what happened was already “baked in.” Was no more shocked than would be if another woman comes forward to say Trump cheated on his wife with me.
Seems to be a lot of chatter out there that we’re going to be seeing a ton of stuff from this team over the next few days. Fasten your seatbelts. It’s going to be a wild ride.
Mikey Tradey Pants at his best!
I’m not mad or upset. I chuckle when everybody thinks I am. I actually enjoy watching this sort of stuff happen. Trying to figure out how to build a team is one of the more enjoyable aspects of watching the Dolphins, to me. Thankfully, they’ve been doing it for 25 years now, so i’m enjoying it.
lol. then you’ve been having a blast!!
we could’ve traded Suh to the Browns, got Shelton and probably a pick with it.
Maybe we ARE trading Suh to the Browns. Makes more sense now, doesn’t it?
actually, it does.
MY pre-FA Draft (v4, 3/10/18)
FA: Nigel Bradham, LB; CJ Anderson, RB
*= traded Suh to Cleveland
*R1P4: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
R2P10: Mike Gesicki, TE, PSU
R3P9: Frank Ragnow, C/G, Arkansas
4a: Allen Lazard, WR, Iowa State
4b: Durham Smythe, TE, Notre Dame
6. Toby Weathersby, OT, LSU
7a. Skai Moore, OLB, South Carolina
7b. Christian Campbell, CB, PSU
FA: Dontari Poe, DT
sorry, but yuck on the qb pick. you’re going from tannehill to tannehill’s handicapped brother.
All good, just plug in your pick @ R1P4.
John Dorsey said he was going to bring good veteran players in to get this team going in the right direction. They can easily afford Suh, so why not?
P.S. Edna Kish completely endorses trading Suh
Edna is making her signature knishes for the Phins draft party!!
LOL @ Lou! Not that I agree with that, but it still cracked me up!
So….. did anybody want to pay Landry 16.5M a year and 55M guarantee? Just call me a moron.
Oh hell no ER! I didn’t want to pay him a penny more than the $13.5M million, which i thought was crazy as it was.
how the fuck do they do it!!!?
The patriots pick is basically a 4th, because we know they will likely be picking at the end of RD3, and they got the 1st pick of RD 5 this year. They basically swapped a RD of picks, and gave away Shelton
does anyone else find it interesting that not one player from the Phins posted anything wishing Juice well now that he’s leaving?
That is weird. Very interesting
Here comes the Jarvis was a shitty person narrative
I didn’t want to pay Landry that kind of money either, but I do think folks are somewhat underestimating the impact he had on moving the chains and making tannehill’s life a lot easier. I still hope Parker can step up his game, but this receiving Corp as it’s currently made up…scares nobody. Teams are gonna be stacking the box and not worrying about us getting over the top or behind them. Oh wait, that’s how teams have been playing us for 6 years. Lol
yeah, and targeting Landry short as much as we did instead of pushing the ball a bit further up the field more often didn’t scare defenses either. and, let’s be honest. having Tannehill back there at qb didn’t scare defenses either. they knew he wasn’t going to shred anyone.
If losing Landry means no more WR screens than I’m all for it!
fuggin aye right!!!
only thing they’re good for is a higher completion %
Landry ruled the middle for sure and was Tanny’s go to when other routes fell through. That will have to be replaced.
we’re getting ready for it. word out of CLE is they’re about to announce another trade and this one could be the one that sends Suh to CLE.
Lou,
That was kinda my point. Tannehill has always been easy to defend because he’s slow to read defenses and usually preferred to dump it off to Landry. Granted, his OL hasn’t helped, but Tannehill has really never been a QB who can back a team off the LOS. He also doesn’t help himself by being mobile inside the pocket and buying that extra split second to make throws.
^^^
I’ll stop now before the tanneholics come out and start quoting one stat to justify how good he is….even though Cutler had just as good production with a much worse situation. Lol
I think there are plenty of teams out there who would go after Suh, if the Dolphins are truly shopping him. Better for a team to trade and get him than getting into a bidding war when he’s a FA. Now, we may not get what we hope for because it’s a similar situation to Landry, but there will be teams who want a top 3-5 DT. At least that’s what my crystal ball tells me. That fucker is never wrong.
probably the reason why they put it out there they are considering cutting him to see what kind of interest there would be from other teams
Jarvis was definitely a ME player, just like OBJ. Brothers in more way than one
Telling you, he looked like Smeagle last night talking about the trade. He got his precious.
Can’t blame the guy for liking what his pay day will be….probably figures he won the whole thing to get it as well.
I don’t blame him for anything, but I also don’t want to hear that we screwed up, when we didn’t. Dude wanted the money, he got it. Now he’s gone, so fuck ’em!
Stat with Landry
Hey …is this thing on? …Can anybody hear me? ..
Nope, I just hear bat wings fluttering
Stanger
My hope is we get a real TE that owns the middle, and then no one will be thinking about Landry.
Been a lot of our hopes for many a year….but TEs are a quirky bunch. Like WRs and QBs. Never know exactly what you are getting and can take time to develop.
You guys with your smearing of players we trade
It’s just laughable man
Licking their balls is better?
Reconizng their contributions is better
Here is my prediction for 2018
All the same problems with different names
And some new problems too
Get serious – the problem with this team was never landry or Ajayi or whomever is next
If you buy into the idea that we are a better team by getting rid of them, you are a mark and I have a bridge to seek you
That sort of talk is just allowing the coaches one FO to continue toil in mediocrity
It was bad enough with Ajayi , it’s worse with Landry
Fact is when Ajayi was producing on offense we were a better team. When Landry produces on offense we lose more games than we win.
It would be a different story if we were a perennial playoff team and Landry was a huge part of that success but we weren’t. We had losing records the two season he had over 100 catches so he’s been more a part of our sucksess than anything .
https://twitter.com/phinscuseyanks/status/972530489822269440?s=21
How the HELL is everybody? … I have been compelled by blind fury to end my self imposed exile …
I can use some hellfire to help ignite the jerseys I can never wear again
Welcome home Bat. We’ve been missing bloody black fire from the dark side…..oh wait….maybe we haven’t. 🙂
Bat – You mad bro? Do tell . . .
Piggy – So retire his number on the side of the blog. I recognized him plenty when he was here, now he’s gone, and that’s that. Do we need a week of ass kissing to get through it? Also, who said he was a perfect teammate? It’s true, I only saw former teammates now on different teams congratulating him, no one from the current team. Why do you suppose that is? Is it not possible he was selfish?
No he’s not selfish. The guy was a beast of a blocking receiver
It’s really not about him
It’s about the idea that we are getting rid of players bc of their personality.
It’s just mismanagement. People are desperate to justify the moves of the Fo and can’t come to terms with these moves as acts of desperation
So blame the player if you want to, next season you be blaming another player and another one after that
You’re saying i’s about personality, I never said that. He wanted more money than he was worth to us, that’s it.
So we trade our most productive player to the Browns for a 4th round pick, which most likely will produce a less than mediocre player who will languish on the practice squad for a couple of years before either washing out of the league, or becoming a star for the Cheatriots. Plus a valuable 7th round pick next year. Of course, getting Landry’s salary off the books frees up money for Tannenbaum to stock up on brilliant FA acquisitions like Mario Williams, Timmons, Julius Thomas and Maxwell …Seems like the plan is coming together perfectly ..SMH
Tannembaum is basically the most fidgety GM in the NFL
He has to stay busy
So getting rid of the pieces that ring some return back keeps him busy
He’s a disaster
What is Landry’s deal with CLE?
Awwww, looks like Bat was smitten with Landry. How adorable!
https://twitter.com/9thwonder/status/972064490605957120
Mike ..LOL . Not quite smitten, but I did appreciate the fact that despite his occasional mental breakdowns, he was one of the few guys who seemed to really give a shit.
been doing taxes for several days and missed the news about the Landry trade. Gotta admit, a 4th rounder was not even close to what I thought we’d get… but it was, afterall, a “salary dump”.
Last week I posed the question about all the D-linemen on the roster if that meant Suh’s salary was going to get dumped. I never came back to see answers….
… but reading through the posts above it seems like many are thinking that this may in fact be the plan.
If so, and if it is the Browns again …. what do we get in return? or do we “dump the salary” along with our R1P11 to go up to pick 4?
What do I know, but think the talk about getting rid of Suh came up cause the whole world knew we had to make some cap moves before start of the league season and some ran with it from there (yeah looking at you ProfLou). With Landry gone that is not much of an issue any more….and guessing the tweets on Suh will die down. For me at least, this team is not going into rebuild.
lol. some real dickery there on your part. yeah, I’m just making shit up as I go along.
Can you guys name Tannebaums best Free Agent acquisitions with the Dolphins?
Cody Parkey? lol
Maybe T.J. McDonald, which is incomplete at this time
Kenny Stills
That may be his best signing
Bushrod?
Regarding Landry:
Thanks for all those first downs!!!!! So many Sundays the last two years where Landry and Ajayi gave me some hope each time the ball was snapped. BUT … there is one thing certain…
… there are very few players in the NFL that are irreplaceable. We will find more talent and at a price that doesn’t inhibit our ability to build the rest of the roster.
Bat – I know Landry gave a shit, no doubt. He was as competitive a player we’ve had in a while. Still, his blowups cost us some drives, because he couldn’t keep himself in check. I swear, I don’t think we’ll miss him at all this season, but I’m going to have to wait until it happens prove it. We bring in a dangerous pass catching TE, we’ll be like Jarvis who? At least I will be, Piggy might be crying by his Landry shrine in his office. lol
My dark lord and master has returned.
Yep — apparently the training on Trump has progressed to the point where he doesn’t feel the need to call each shot any more and has more free time.
Piggy .. “Best” is a misleading word … “Least horrible” is more appropriate IMO
Exactly
How can anyone justify the move based on salary
Do we want tannebaum to have more cap room
He has the toxic touch
Sorry to hear about your accident OD. I know a good lawyer. JK. I hope you are doing okay. My recovery is a mixed bag. I am definitely stronger and in less pain but I have a lot of uncomfortable treatment ahead of me
You eating solid food at this point?
Some. Ground meat and stuff like that.
Maybe they have pills for such these days, but when I was all liquid yogurt with all the good bacteria was key (can make a shake out of it)……gotta keep those critters in your intestines fed too.
Good to see you, Bat!
Ken, my trusted consiglieri and devoted acolyte, .. I will assume that you have kept the fires of Hell stoked in my absence
Always burning my master
Same here Tim ..been too long ..
Mike ..A dangerous pass catching TE? ..Who will identify and acquire such a player? .
Bat – Is it wrong that I picture the Allstate “Mayhem” guy when you popped on today? lol
bat says:
March 10, 2018 at 1:26 pm (Edit)
Mike ..A dangerous pass catching TE? ..Who will identify and acquire such a player? .
Not sure – Hoping maybe Gase, or maybe Edna Kish
Who is Edna Kish?
She is The Queen of the Knish. Do you live under a rock or something?
son of a son of a shula says:
March 10, 2018 at 10:06 am (Edit)
Edna Kish who once had young Gase over to move some boxes to the basement is said to be in line for a position with the Dolphins.
Gase? ..He only likes players from teams he has worked for …Did the Bears have such a player? ..We’ve already tried the Gase/Bronco relationship to fill the TE slot .. How’d that work out?
It’s not just players
It’s coaches too
Wtf is dowell Loggains
THERE’S my man BAT!!! GRAND to see ya, Bro!!!
MF ..Great to see you as well! ..
Every fucking team does the same shit, they all pull former coaches and personnel. It’s hilarious to me that you guys are making such a big deal out of it. To me, it’s funnier than ragging on Landry, who by the way, is a fucking Cleveland Brown.
That’s not true Mike
Sure some go back to the well they know
But some Successful teams hire successful assistant coaches or in some cases coaches who could not make it as head coaches
Jim Schwartz was an important hite for the Eagles last off-season
Gase could have used some vets around him
Instead he went back to a pretty inefficient Bears team out of familiarity
That’s just wrong man…..how the heck late at night when the pizza comes can you not eat it? Box isn’t closed. Getting cold fast.
I traded Suh to CLE for 2-1 and 2-32. Did it with who was available via FIRSTPICK. They are still jacked up and have us with 3 4th’s. So took who was there when CLE picks came up.
1 OG Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
2a OLB/ILB Leighton Vander Esch
2b TE Mike Gesicki, Penn State
2c RB Darrius Guice, UGA
3 C/OG Frank Ragnow, Arkansas
4a DT BJ Hill, North Carolina State
4b WR Equanimeous St Brown, Notre Dame
6 TE Durham Smythe, Notre Dame
7a QB Riley Ferguson, Memphis
7b CB Detrich Nichols
Piggy ..Dowell Loggains sounds like a paper goods manufacturing company
That’s probably his calling
Offense doesn’t seem to be
WR’s that should be available in the 4th
102 WR SIMMIE COBBS JR. – INDIANA
119 WR DANTE PETTIS – WASHINGTON
121 WR TRE’QUAN SMITH – UCF
125 WR TREY QUINN – SMU
133 WR D.J. CHARK – LSU
140 WR KEKE COUTEE – TEXAS TECH
141 WR JALEEL SCOTT – NEW MEXICO STATE
149 WR ALLEN LAZARD – IOWA STATE
Not exactly a list of guys I would expect to contribute immediately
But then again, it’s really slot
That pick might be better spent on a TE
Bat!!! Great to see you.
Piggy – where did the great Parcells take loads of coaches, personnel from? Do we not remember that? Parcells walks on water, so how can it be wrong? We had the Dallas pipeline open for business for all things, players, coaches, everything except their best asset, their cheerleaders!
And it failed
I know some coaches do that
At least in parcels case he was expirenced
Gase is hopelessly inexpirenced and could use a vet assistant
It sure did, but I only used it because we’re both familiar with it. Parcells half assed it from the start, he never had his heart in it. Gase cares, and we had one bad season with Gase after his starting QB went down. So now every move he makes is bad? Enjoy feeling that way, it must suck.
Thanks Bookman ..same here .. The Landry trade echoed deep into the great abyss and ignited my wrath …
Even though I am not from the dark side, always appreciate your humor
No Piggy – It IS true – Every team has coaches and players that someone in the organization brought in. That’s what the NFL is, it’s a recycling machine. There’s only so many people out there, so they go with what they know.
I understand that Gase would like to surround himself with people he is comfortable with, but when those people have had little to no success in the league, I fail to see the benefit.
11: R1P11 QB SAM DARNOLD, USC
42: R2P10 G WILL HERNANDEZ, UTEP
73: R3P9 RB RASHAAD PENNY, SAN DIEGO STATE
123: R4P23 , TE TROY FUMAGALLI, WISCONSIN
130: R4P30 LB DORIAN O’DANIEL, CLEMSON
198: R6P24 FB DIMITRI FLOWERS, OKLAHOMA
223: R7P5 WR JAVON WIMS, GEORGIA
229: R7P11 OT ZACHARY CRABTREE, OKLAHOMA STATE
Drop rates of WRs in the ’18 Draft (the lower, the better, of course)…
Trey Quinn: 1.9
Deontay Burnett: 4.0
Dante Pettis: 4.7
DJ Chark: 5.4
Christian Kirk: 6.5
Michael Gallup: 7.1
TreQuan Smith: 7.7
DJ Moore: 8.1
Equanimeous St. Brown: 8.8
Allen Lazard: 9.0
Courtland Sutton: 9.0
James Washington: 9.2
Deon Cain: 9.3
DaeSean Hamilton: 9.8
Calvin Ridley: 10.0
JMon Moore: 10.6
Simmie Cobbs, Jr: 11.3
Anthony Miller: 12.4
I don’t put too much stock in these numbers. It all needs to be put into perspective.
wyoming85 says:
March 10, 2018 at 1:51 pm
WR’s that should be available in the 4th
102 WR SIMMIE COBBS JR. – INDIANA
119 WR DANTE PETTIS – WASHINGTON
121 WR TRE’QUAN SMITH – UCF
125 WR TREY QUINN – SMU
133 WR D.J. CHARK – LSU
140 WR KEKE COUTEE – TEXAS TECH
141 WR JALEEL SCOTT – NEW MEXICO STATE
149 WR ALLEN LAZARD – IOWA STATE
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Wyoming, there is NO WAY that DJ Chark gets past the 2nd round. He might even go in the 1st round, at this point.
He’s fast!
but I didn’t see anything else special about him?
OK .. It was great to touch base with you all ..I intend to visit more often this season ..Take that as a promise or a threat ….Later!
DJ Chark has SO MUCH in common with Randy Moss in terms of size, speed, leap, and attributes, that it’s SCARY!
give me the blue collar route runners any day. had enough of the pretty boys like Parker.
PEACE, Bat! I look forward to your presence more often, Bro!
Later Bat – It was nice to have you back for a bit! Peace and misery sir!
11. MIAMI DOLPHINS: Derwin James, SS, Florida State*
In honor of Bat’s return:
LOL
I tried again:
I traded Suh to CLE for 2-1 and 2-32. Did it with who was available via FIRSTPICK. They are still jacked up and have us with 3 4th’s. So took who was there when CLE picks came up.
1 DT DaRon Payne, Alabama
2a OG Isaiah Wynn, Georgia
2b TE Mike Gesicki, Penn State
2c OLB/ILB Leighton Vander Esch
3 C/OG Frank Ragnow, Arkansas
4a RB Royce Freeman, Oregon
4b WR Equanimeous St Brown, Notre Dame
6 TE Durham Smythe, Notre Dame
7a QB Riley Ferguson, Memphis
7b CB Detrich Nichols
We all knew Landry was getting traded. Oh, now we all didn’t.
Oh, no we all didn’t.
My thought process on the WR position — now that Jarvis is gone — is that we’d probably like to see DeVante show and prove this year. In the event that he lets us down again, it would be wise to draft his potential replacement this year.
So as late to the party as I’ve been on the WR position, I’m putting in work now.
IF we’ve got a suitable slot replacement for Jarvis already in-house (as Prof Lou continues to allude to), it would behoove us to get after the likes of a BIG, boundary WR like DJ Chark, Equanimeous St. Brown, or Allen Lazard. That would cover us against losing DeVante in ’19 (should he flame out this year), and could help Tannehill in ’18. However, I’m not good with drafting a WR early, yet again.
I guess what I’m trying to say is this: do NOT be surprised if we target a WR early, though I’d advise against as much. I’d be happy with Lazard in the 4th, rather than swinging for the fences early with DJ Chark or ESB (Equanimeous St. Brown).
We’ve GOT to get this O-Line fixed and we’ve GOT to get a stud TE!
I don’t see it as replacing Landry. I see it as going in a different direction with the offense. Again, I go back to wk 14 of last yr vs the Pats and look at the offense we put on the field then and how many players we got involved in the passing games and, the plays and the way we were stacking wr’s, etc.
The offense should never be all about one guy and we’ve got enough talent at wr to get it done. We need to add a rb to the stable and get at least one TE who can help us in the passing game. We do that and we won’t miss Landry one bit.
and, yes, get the offensive line fixed once and for all.
Mando was just on NFL radio. Got to hear some Dolphins for a change. basically, he was talking about his article from this morning that trading Landry was not the end, it’s the beginning for the Dolphins.
Yup, that’s what his write from last night was all about.
It surprises me how little the hosts know about certain things. Don;t recall who the hosts were, but after Mando hangs up, he starts talking about the Dolphins, and then Tannehill, and he says about Tannehill “He’s always hurt”. The guy didn’t miss a game his first 4 seasons, he got hurt once, and then because he didn’t get surgery, had the same knee go on him. That’s so far from always hurt though.
It’s crazy what people say without knowing what they’re talking about.
Perception becomes reality
Man I missed Bat. Great to see you Bat.
(He was tepid at best today, and he didn’t even mention Jonelle with more at bats he’ll hit his stride)
Mike, Edna Kish decided against a position with the Dolphins afraid it would exacerbate her fibromyalgia.
Damn, now we’re screwed!
The Fragile Coach Gase
Bat! You’ve dained to raise your flame shrouded head from the murky depths to befoul us with your rancid putrescence. I’ve missed it, brother.
The reality is that if you have a team who’s success is tied to any one player…maybe aside from a truly elite, franchise QB…then you don’t have a good team. Landry was a very good player…would have liked to get a bit more in compensation…but it was close. Not a big fan of the move, but I get it.
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Again, this team will go as the OL goes. The OL sets the tone for your offense. If you can’t win there, you need a great QB, or you’ll struggle. We’ve gotten better in some ways in the last 2 years, but we still need plenty of improvement there. We need better players one way or another.
I LOVE seeing the totality of fans weighing in on a recent and HUGE matter!
Thus, I’m constructing the types of Dolphins fans there are…
A) LOYALTY to the owner
— Because it doesn’t matter how many bad moves s/he makes, you’re a DIE-HARD fan and support this millionaire owner, who is making money off your fandom via merchandise, season tickets, and your blind faith… even after failure after failure. 0-16? NO PROBLEM! Your now faded bumper sticker from a decade(s) ago shows your unwavering support of a team that has sucked for YEARS. The owner is always right because s/he has $$$… and you can’t think for yourself.
B) LOYALTY to the team
— See “A” above, but you’re tired of losing. You want to see your team FINALLY come back to relevancy, but you still tow the company line and bow down to every decision they make with no deference. You think, “maybe next year will be the year!”, but you know deep down that something probably needs to change. You don’t want to make any ripples in the water… after all, you ARE loyal and don’t want to come off as thinking otherwise. Like “A” above, you’ll roll with every decision the franchise makes, for better or worse.
C) LOYALTY to the legacy
— You’ve tasted victory and are a DIE-HARD fan. Unlike “A” and “B”, you KNOW how messed up the franchise has become over the last decade or so, and challenge both the owner and the team with their so-called ‘vision’ for the present and the future… only wanting them to do BETTER than in recent years. Your frustration comes out due to recent failures via the status-quo of the owner and team vision.
D) FRUSTRATED fan
— You’ve invested many, many years of your fandom in a franchise that’s gone nowhere but south. You KNOW where mistakes have been made and wish them to be corrected. You’re a DIE-HARD, but continue to see the results of very bad decision making. You don’t mean to sound negative, but your team’s record speaks for itself in recent years. You want to see positive results to change your attitude about the team you love, but you just know it’s not going to happen.
E) INTELLIGENT/POSITIVE fan
— You are “D” above, and have answers to fix the problems. Your love of the team is so unwavering that you propose intelligent fixes to get the team back to relevancy. But unlike “D” above, all is not lost. There is a way to make it happen to the positive.
F) INTELLIGENT/REALIST fan
— You are “E” above, but additionally recognize where the dead-weight lies. Not everything is positive or negative, and you know what must be done to fix the franchise.
G) INTELLIGENT/NEGATIVE fan
— Like “E” and “F” above, you know what’s up. The difference is that you want to destroy EVERYTHING related to recent failures… whether it be a ‘reset’ or ‘reboot’. You feel as though your fandom has been betrayed at the highest of levels, and wish to burn it ALL down to the ground.
As for me? I think I’m a little bit of everything… except for “A” and “B”.
H) general fuckface
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LOL, is he married to grandma cunt?
Earlier today, I talked to somebody who knows exactly NOTHING about the NFL. Now follow me…
I told him that we spent a 2nd rounder on Jarvis Landry in the 2014 Draft. Jarvis then went on to set the now NFL-record of most catches by a receiver in his first 4 years in NFL HISTORY. Not only that, but Jarvis led the NFL in receptions just last year with 112 (9 TDs, to boot).
So I asked him… what would be a fair exchange? He said a 1st rounder, to be sure! When I told him that we got a 4th rounder and 7th rounder instead, he LAUGHED OUT LOUD!!! “That’s your Dolphins!!!”.
Peeps, it doesn’t take a rocket-scientist to realize that we got HOSED on the Jarvis-to-Cleveland deal. BUT… and at the end of the day… it was all about dispatching the $$$ to another team, being we tagged him for $16M.
And some of y’all think that the salary cap doesn’t matter… “it will work itself out”… 😆
Well, you’re seeing the salary cap “work itself out”… thanks to Tannenbaum. Suh is likely next…
You still haven’t accepted that all we wanted was to get something for Landry rather than just letting him become a UFA? That’s all it was. It really is that simple.
What we’re witnessing here as Dolphin fans is the EXACT SAME THING that the stej had to do, under Tannenbaum.
And it was all fun and games when we were able to DISS Tannenbaum for his moves with the stej… but now that he’s with us… OH NO! Don’t talk bad about Tannenbaum!!!
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And don’t talk bad about Ro$$ for moving on from King Carl for Tannenbaum!!!
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It’s not but it’s your right to feel that way.
Meh
Tim Knight says:
March 10, 2018 at 4:38 pm
You still haven’t accepted that all we wanted was to get something for Landry rather than just letting him become a UFA? That’s all it was. It really is that simple.
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Why didn’t we re-sign him?
They tried. He turned down 13.5M
He wants AB money.
If Phins would have severely over paid, guess what? We’d all be here complaining about it
Agreed, but we should have tried to trade him last year. But as Herd wisely reminded us, Jarvis was under investigation for DV up until the trade-deadline last year.
The whole thing just SUCKS.
We’re in cap hell but let’s pay a slot WR like he’s one of the best big play WRs in the game. That all adds up. LOL
Reportedly he balked at our offer and we weren’t going any higher. So we moved on. Just like in FA, you try to sign a guy and another team comes in higher and you don’t land him. There are plenty of people in the biz who understand why it went down the way it did. Then there are the hysteria types who freak out over everything. LOL
Tim Knight says:
March 10, 2018 at 4:42 pm
It’s not but it’s your right to feel that way.
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HUH? You do not feel as though that Tannenbaum has put us in cap HELL, as he did the stej? Please explain.
I’ve already answered this. Wait until after the draft.
It’s a binary question… is Tannenbaum RIGHT or WRONG, for putting us in cap hell?
Not really in cap hell. There are players they are moving on from anyway.
Some pundits out there are even talking how now the Phins are gonna be players in FA
Tim Knight says:
March 10, 2018 at 4:49 pm
We’re in cap hell but let’s pay a slot WR like he’s one of the best big play WRs in the game. That all adds up. LOL
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If we were NOT in cap hell, we could AFFORD Jarvis.
Now, I’m NOT saying that I feel Jarvis was worth what he was asking for, but we’re now ‘penny-pinching’ due to being up against the ALL TOO FAMILIAR Mike Tannenbaum cap problems.
Get that through your skull, Bro! 🙂
We’ll see after the draft.
For the record, I don’t think Landry was worth what we reportedly offered him either. His production doesn’t warrant that kind of money. I’ve said that all along, not just since we traded him.
M
You would of been happy to pay 16+M for Landry?
Who’s that goofy QB from Chicago?
He’s coming here. I guarantee it.
He’ll be happy to leave his nose in Gase’s ass.
Gnome at OC – check
Best player on offense gone – check
Goofy QB kiss ass from Chicago – a few more days
Drake has a chance to be much more of an impact player than Landry ever was. The jury is still out at WR but we need a friggin TE regardless.
ElephantRider says:
March 10, 2018 at 5:04 pm
M
You would of been happy to pay 16+M for Landry?
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NO! I’m just sayin’ that we could have afforded him — if we wanted — had it not for been Tannenbaum spending us into oblivion.
mf13ss says:
March 10, 2018 at 4:53 pm
“…Now, I’m NOT saying that I feel Jarvis was worth what he was asking for…”
You said it…”if they wanted him”
They could have moved plenty of pieces to sign him to HIS number. They chose not to.
Again. I think this ultimately came down to Gase.
I got the quote wrong, but close enough! Lol
Actually they added a piece (Quinn) which pretty much guaranteed they moved from him
And that is the problem with the FO
I would have been happy for 1 year
Not for a long term contract
The whole way it was handled didn’t make sense
I think after the Quinn trade they backed themselves in a corner
I’m glad it turned out the way it did and we didn’t overpay because if we had the cap space and we paid him that money I would have been more pissed than the fans who are mad that he’s gone
Piggy
I think the Quinn trade was knowing the Browns trade was happening. They had already moved on.
I can deal with your fury
so long as I am happy I don’t care if you are upset
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Well ER, it pretty much guaranteed it
So yeah – maybe they already knew
Quinn’s cap number is 12.4M
yeah but it won’t be for long. they’ll probably rework that soon enough.
Oh yeah right…
And over the last 3 seasons, Quinn is GROSSLY overpaid. We get better production for cheaper with MR. WAKE at 35-years old.
Quinn’s not overpaid at all. Some of you guys seem to think everyone plays for $6-8M. Look around at what pass rushers make.
Like Lou said, we’ll probably redo his deal anyway.
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Piggy, I don’t think trading for Quinn had anything to do with Landry. Pass rushers are more valuable than slot WRs.
Of course it had to do with Landry
His cap number eliminates the possibility of keeping Landry at the tag price
Once we took on Quinn’s contract it was impossible to not shed salary somewhere or keep Landry at the tag price
Also after watching Landry catch 100 passes a year, break tackles every game, lead our team in stars this year, block downfield and do everything we asked of him – can we stop referring to Landry as just another slot receiver
Every Dolfan who watched him should know he is more than that
Team loyalty shouldn’t mean undermining the guys we parted with
We’re gonna forever regret letting him get away.
Expect his hall of fame speech to say “just a slot receiver” at some point
I never said he’s just another slot WR, he’s a very good one. But sorry, I don’t think what he did had much impact on making us a better team. I think we’re going to be a much more explosive offense this year.
I like Quinn
I like pass rushers
But make no mistake
He is Tannebaums latest shiny object
That’s just a negative way to look at it. You guys act like every acquisition we make is just about Tannenbaum and Grier and Gase have no input. Gase is trying to put a team together he wants. The team’s success or lack thereof is on him. Just remember he’s hated his offense for two years now and thought they put the defense in bad spots. So he’s making changes.
The game plan is to be more explosive, score more points and then play an aggressive attacking style of defense. Can’t do that when you’re trailing all the time and the opponent isn’t worried about you coming back. Too many games like that last year.
Tim
If you don’t think Ajayi and Landry were the catalyst of our 2016 playoff run, then I think you are just reciting the company line
Ajayi was. Tannehill’s improved play was more of a factor than Landry. So was Still’s big play ability. Remember he had a staggering 9 TDs that year. LOL
And Landry had another 100 catches
When Tannehill and stills were not as productive, landry produced
When they were – landry produced
That’s what we need to replace – and there are few players in the nfl who do that
Tannebaum just gave us 10 more years of Culpeeper over Brees or letting Wes Welker go to New England
Horrible mistake
94 catches in 2016 but I agree that was Landry’s best season even with only 4 TDs.
Some of you guys think you are being loyal
Good for you – we’ve seen our FO make mistakes before
We’ve seen our owner stick with guys too long
Personally I think Tamnebaum should be fired before he does more damage to this team
The Dolphins roster is not a toy for him to experiment with
We want a winning team in Miami
And the longer we stick with him the farther away we get from that
I personally think we need to be vocal about it to get Ross to pay attention to him
This is a disaster
And the longer we stick with it the worse it gets
They lost their starting QB and went 6-10. There are moves that are going to be made. It’s not over yet.
Gase has 2 years now, a good one and bad one. I’m letting it play out for year 3. We haven’t seen all the moves and don’t know the results yet.
That philosophy would be fine (and I would be with you) if the gm wasnt playing musical chairs with the roster – but he is
Instead of the Gm letting good players go and trying that
How bout we let the bad GM go and be patient with the roster
He longer we stick with him the more he is going to treat the roster like a kid with a new Christmas toy
Gase factors in too Piggs, seems he can’t reach certain players. What happened to win with and mold around who we have? Every coaches bullshit campaign promise. If you can’t use Landry… I mean come on
I think Gase is shit
I’ve never seen a coach dubbed an offensive guru put out such a pathetic offense
But if these guys weren’t getting rid of their best players I would be a lot more patient with them
Instead they are getting rid of the best pieces while they are he biggest problem
Yup
Stills gets 9 Touchdowns and it’s staggering
Landry gets 9 and gets kicked the hell out
I don’t get it
Landry gets 9 after being criticized as not being a Redzone threat and proving everyone wrong. It’s nust crazy that people don’t recognize how good he is
It was a joke. People made Landry’s 9 TDs out to be 15.
But rest assured we’re fully committed to Ryan Tannehill
I think he may be gone too in the next few weeks
No way. My guess is huge restructuring and cap space. Then sign Glennon.
Forget Baker no way in hell Gase wants him.
Weirdest way to look at it
https://twitter.com/sportstalkjo3/status/972234769223311360?s=21
He’s kissing OBJ’s ass trying to unite the 2
Like we should have been angling for
Sounds like he’s the guy dating the “friend”
Beckham will be looking for over $20M per really soon. The difference is he has over 1,300 yards and double digit TDs every year even on a sub par offense.