(Wedge is crying by a fire)
I can’t believe they would do that to me!
Why!!!!
WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME DOLPHINS!!!
First Ajayi and now Landry…
What is a devastated Alien to do…
…Except talk about other draft prospects like Texas A&M receiver Christian Kirk
The Positives: A lot of experts are calling Kirk the best slot receiver in the draft. He was very productive at Texas A&M in his three years there. He caught over 80 passes in his first two seasons with the Aggies and his final season wasn’t half bad either with 66 catches. Kirk cgained just below 2,800 yards in those three years and caught 26 TDs.
The Texas A&M offense isn’t the most explosive offense – but Kirk was used a lot of different ways. He went deep, ran a ton of bubble screens, was used on reverses (he had 21 total carries for 121 rushing yards) and was a kick returner on special teams.
Kirk has solid hands. Not a lot of bad drops on his tape. His hands measured in at 9 7/8ths at the combine.
But Kirk’s biggest strength like a certain recently departed Dolphins was gaining yards after the catch – YAC! Kirk made a lot of defenders look silly with broken tackles and poor guesses. Kirk is a strong runner and a strong player – he had the 4th best bench press reps among receivers at the combine. So you can see why Kirk as a slot receiver seems like natural fit.
The Negatives: Well the first thing I should point out: WHY DO WE NEED A RECEIVER?!?!? This gripe is not about Kirk as a player, its about the loss of Landry which this alien just can’t get over. I thought I was done begging the Dolphins to draft receivers but….
Kirk isn’t a big receiver (5’10) and while he had a respectable 40 yard dash at 4.47, that does not put him in the class of an elite speed demon. Kirk is notable for his lateral quickness but not his vertical speed. There are some questions as to whether he can stretch the field at the next level.
The Alien Dust: The Dolphins have a lot of needs but drafting a player like Kirk can go a long way in replacing Jarvis Landry. And when push comes to shoe, Kirk might be better at stretching the field than Landry ever once.
The big issue is do the Dolphins spend a high pick on a receiver? Kirk can go anywhere between mid first to early 3rd. If the Dolphins trade down in the first round or Kirk is available into the 2nd round – I think he might be a viable pick (if the Dolphins have not signed another receiver in free agency)
Well it’s not the most devastating weapon – but right now, right now I just need Christian Kirk to be my handkerchief.
(Wedge begins to cry again)
You can watch his highlights here:
Finsmob Unleashed 
If we trade James straight up for Anderson, i’m just gonna go ahead and assume we’re trying yo lose. That would be a shit trade.
I don’t think that would be the case. The scenario I saw was we’d be getting a pick with Anderson because DEN really doesn’t want James to hit the open market.
Without knowing the plan, why? James makes more than Anderson and he’s not better at what he does than Anderson, and Gase the HC actually likes Anderson.
I’m not saying it’s going to happen just throwing options out there. Some of you are too wound up about all this stuff. LOL
Bring back Ginn and Matthews. Championship.
Lou
I actually agree with you! If they are cutting Suh just do it. He will still have 13M dead money next year now.
Update: Ja’Wuan James
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204744839.html
Gotta at least give this option a shot (from FO perspective). But James’ agent (and the % of a FA contract he’d get) will be devil dancing on James’ shoulder …”m-o-n-e-y”
He has to accept the long-term offer or we’re back to where we are now.
Mike Pouncey
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article201119664.html
Randy,
That’s my issue with the FO. They are all over the map with the moves they make. There is no semblance of strategy or plan. The results speak for themselves.
Damn…James has zero eyebrows.
Mike,
Thanks for the responses a while back. I won’t claim to be an expert on Quinn, but hasn’t his production been sub-par the last couple years in addition to injuries? Why do we give up close to a 3rd round value for the right to pay a guy that hasn’t produced relative to his salary?
It’s moves like this that just don’t make sense to me. The Philly trade was another example. You could argue it was to get Kiko, but why not just sign a similar guy once he’s cut or wait for a good value FA? Why sacrifice draft capitol to make a move that isn’t a slam dunk?
Tannenbaum takes all kinds of risks for no apparent reason and it drives me nuts. I think Tim mentioned that we haven’t been a major player in FA the last couple years and he’s right. It’s been the trades that have hurt us lately. Tannenbaum just can’t seem to help himself.
Quinn had 8.5 sacks last year playing 3-4 OLB when he’s a 4-3 edge guy. So he’s back to what he does best. I would think you’d have to be somewhat healthy to do that so let’s hope for the best.
Lots of trades and movement so far throughout the league. Nobody is staying pat. FA hasn’t even officially started and it’s already super active. It’s wild!
I remember all the bitching a few years ago about Miami never making trades or wheeling and dealing. Now when they do….bitching!
It all comes down to wins and losses. Win games, make the playoffs and it’s okay. Until you lose that playoff game. LOL
Oh boy!
They are moving all the way up for QB….here we go
Yep! They still have two 1’s, two 2’s, two 3’s and two 5’s. They’re going up top 3, IMO.
see ya later ndamukong suh, will be cut Miami will save 36 mil over the next 2 years doing so, or at least that’s what they are saying
Tim,
I guess we’ll see. We have Harris already and Wake needs to be on the field in pass rush situations. We still need a DE to set the edge and help our run D.
We lost a draft pick and position and tied up our cap space in hopes that a guy will look like he did 4 seasons ago and be a good fit for the locker room.
I hope it works out, but just seems like an unnecessary for a team like ours to take.
*risk
I see 3 and 4 DE rushes in sub packages. For this to work right the offense has to improve, a lot.
Exactly, and one very expensive DE with questionable value isn’t going to fix that. That’s my point. Why make this move if it isn’t likely to help you immediately. Make moves with a longer range plan in mind.
We always use a 4 man DE rotation. Quinn at his best had a better season than Wake ever had. He’ll be 28 this season. The idea is to have DL playing 40+ snaps. Top dog DL should be in the 30’s. You don’t want sluggish in the 4th quarter. Suh was playing high 40’s even 50’s because we had to with what we were paying him. I think that’s where we’re going in another direction on the DL.
The idea is to NOT have DL playing 40+ snaps. LOL
You can accomplish that without sacrificing draft picks or cap flexibility. We aren’t getting 2013 Quinn. It’s unlikely we will get production relative to what we gave up in salary/draft picks. You can accomplish the same thing with the late FA period or elevating younger guys.
Timmons cut.
You don’t say…
no … really
Giants trade scenario:
Odell Beckham Jr. to CHI for the #8 – they pay him. I don’t think the Giants are keen on his antics even though he’s one of the most explosive WRs/players in the game.
The Giants then trade with BUF — #2 for #12 and multiple picks.
I think the Giants want to get back to Northeast football.
If the Browns take a QB at #1, wouldn’t drafting Barkley at #2 take them to NE football a lot better than trading the pick away?
If…. I think the Browns are taking Barkley #1. They can still add a QB at #4 because there are 4 consensus 1st rd QBs. Take the BPA and then one of the top QBs. There is no Andrew Luck in this draft.
that message posted above from twitter about investing in young ascending players would be a great message to send
But what part about the Robert Quinn trade is consistent with that
It’s just more bullshit they want us to believe because they have a coach who can’t coach his most talented guys but they don’t want us to know that and they don’t want to put us through another coaching change (bad for business). It’s a shit show and a clusterfuck all rolled into a big mess.
My suggestion- go crawling back to Hickey and let him get us out of this shit.
Tim,
We don’t have a starter quality RT, and you claim our RBs are amazing! So, why would we get rid of James at a huge position of need and sign a guy at a supposed position of strength? And please don’t try to tell me this FO likes guys like Davis to step in and start because that’s ridiculous. Cutler saved our OL a number of sacks last year. With Tannehill back there again, expect the sack rate to go back up.
^^^
And, you keep pumping signing Quinn and his 8.5 sacks at OLB. He hasn’t played well…or even close to a full season at DE in 3 years. Assuming he’ll be able to hold up and actually be productive is a big leap. Plus, how do you develop Harris…who needs to play…when you are playing Quinn? Tbaum tried this with another guy who…oh gee….sucked and isn’t even on the team anymore. I liked Quinn at DE….4 years ago. I’d have preferred drafting a young pass rusher than signing an aging one with back issues, yet again.
Okay, Randy. I’m more into following the moves and how it’s going to shape up rather than debating whether you get the good guy or the suck guy. I don’t view Quinn the way you do. He’ll be 28 this entire season, he’s not 35. He was also my favorite prospect in 2011 for us so I’m bias. LOL
I’m with Randy, Piggy, and Ken. This is the same FO that overpaid for two average LBs and a DE just last year. The same guys who traded for a short rental of Maxwell, overpaid for Suh in the first place, overpaid for Thomas, and overpaid for Cutler. Same guys who want to trade James, don’t want to trade James, maybe want to trade James. Same guys using the ‘locker room cancer’ excuse for removing talent. Same guys who had no clue Tannehill could re-injure a weakened knee.
Sure, these are definitely the guys I trust to draft and hire new talent. The same guys who wasted 3 picks on a guy who’s barely caught a dozen passes. Who can’t find a TE for the past three years or a solid group of OL without wasting first round picks. I’m not sure I could trust these guys to mop a floor much less run this franchise.
That about sums it up
Send Suh and R1P11 for R1P5.
I’ll take a 22oz? 😉
The FO can’t make up its mind about anything
It’s actually not up to him
It’s up to the team to set a value on what he’s worth and make that offer to him
I see many of the people on here that i respect a lot and who have tons of football knowledge are very upset with the FO right now.
But I’m not.
1) I liked Ajayi but he is slow and can be caught. I think Drake is better because if he gets loose, no one can catch him; it’s a TD. And this is a great RB draft class.
2) I liked Landry, but he is slow and short which is not a good combo, and he wanted too much money for a slot WR. And he gets a lot of penalties and fumbled 14 times.
3) Suh is grumpy and arrogant and gave great effort but did not make us have either a great pass rush or a run-stuffing DL. And his salary was Hell. And he gets a lot of penalties.
4) Timmons let me down by changing from Steady and tough to wack and playing in a daze.
5) Julius Thomas went from a basketball player at TE to a Hockey player. And not in the good way.
6) We badly needed more sacks and a viable heir to Wake. Quinn can do that.
So I do see a plan there. It’s “Get rid of complainers and get more speed, more pass rush,
and guys who are more of a fit in the HC’s system.”
All these moves make sense to me.
Gase has hated this offense since he’s been here and the main move on defense is moving on from Suh because the production doesn’t match the contract. The same thing we moved on from with Landry. Maybe we are becoming more fiscal in our approach.
Let it play out. It’s as if after we move on from these players, nobody else gets added. LOL
Suh is the only one that I really don’t get, unless you add in the money. Didn’t get Quinn at first either, but with the moves after makes more sense.
We’re supposed to believe we’re getting better. They said so.
We’re such a great team that we can’t use Suh or Landry.
But we’re entrenched on Tannehill
If they don’t know the divisions when they’re pups…
Could be that Tanny is not even part of the plan, or maybe we roll into camp with one of the top 5 QBs as well. Not sure exactly what is going…..but something different is.
I bet they trade Tannehill
But I think they have to let free agency play out a little to get the best value for him
Tannehill is gone
If he is not – they are even more lost than I thought
And that’s not a smear against Tannehill, that’s just bc it makes no sense to cling to him in light of he other changes
You get rid of your QB because you traded one WR, one RB and released a DT? Not saying we can’t or won’t do that, who knows, but it’s not imperative.
If you are on the roster right now, all these moves have to make you a bit restless until. Think there will be a lot of
I’m not with Randy, Piggy and Ken. I’m waiting to see what other moves we make before I decide that they have no idea what they’re doing. I’m quite aware of Mikey Tradey Pants former failures, but that doesn’t mean the guy can’t improve and get things right at some point too, Look at Spielman in Minnesota, all of a sudden he’s a genius.
Just judging the moves we’ve made so far, I have no reason to think we’re heading in the wrong direction. We weren’t paying Landry what he wanted so he’s GONE. We should never have paid Suh what he was making, so he’s GONE. T-Bomb saw a low risk way to get a quality DE here, and I like the move. It’s hard to say that doesn’t fit the plan when you have no idea what the plan is!
Complain all you want ya bunch of pussies, I’ll wait and see how things shake out first. 🙂
Why were you guys yelling “Blow it up” during the season and now are yelling “they’re going crazy” when they start blowing it up?
lol…so true.
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if we trade Suh to move down in the draft
I mean if they are willing to take a huge cap hit to waive a player based on culture…
How do we know we’re entrenched with Tannehill? Because they say they like him? Haven’t they said they LOVE Baker Mayfield?
They love Tannehill.
We will never draft Mayfield. He’s too passionate for Gase.
I see that’s your “theme” now, that Gase is a pussy, and can’t handle willful players. I don’t think that’s the case at all, but I’m not here to talk you out of it.
Piggy:
I agree with you on Tannehill and I am a fan of Tannehill but it makes no sense to hold on to him at this time. We have just started a major rebuild. We are not going to be good for a couple of years minimum. No sense in holding on to a 30 QB in that situation. The problem is we are not in a position to land us on of the franchise caliber QBs in this draft
It’s almost a disservice to Tannehill to make him come back to the 2018 Dolphins
What if you’re drafting a young QB that you want to sit behind a another QB, but possibly take over at some time later in the year? Does it make sense then? Tannehill’s dead cap next season is $2.3M, easy enough to cut.
Maybe, either way he isn’t part of this teams future now
They would probably be better off signing a cheap vet now and drafting that WB
If we are blowing this up I don’t want a development project at QB. I want a franchise caliber and there are only 3 in this draft: Allen, Rozen and Darnold. 4 if you count Mayfield but I think his physical skills fall short of that but in any case I don’t think any of them are on the board at 11
We’ve only “lost” 5 guys! This is not a fire sale.
We got a 4th for Ajayi when he was only a 5th.
We got a 4th for Landry when he was gonna walk for nothing anyway.
Suh underachieved his salary which would’ve continued for tens of millions more dollars.
Timmons … who even cares if he’s gone? No one could’ve predicted he would lose his mind.
Thomas, it was worth a shot so we took the shot. It didn’t work out, so he’s gone after one year.
Big Deal.
We are not cutting our young nucleus. We are shedding big contracts for under performance.
I love these moves.
Please, Landry and Suh underperformed? There’s no way you’re saying that with a straight face.
I did not say Landry underperformed. I said he asked for too much money.
We are going to take a cap hit with Suh whether or not he is here in 2018 or not
If the 💰 is the motivation it’s an even dumber move than I thought
“OF ALL the words of woe,
The worst of these—
I TOLD YOU SO!!”
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Yes, indeed, fans, the cutting of SUH for absolutely NOTHING in return proves that Steve Ross, so far, is, by miles and miles, the worst and most ineffective owner in Dolphins’ history!! We are, officially, the laughingstock of the NFL, even worse than the incredibly inept Brownies who were able to lure Jarvis Landry away from Miami for a 4th round draft choice!!–When the BROWNS are laughing at you, you know you are bad!!!
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This franchise will never get to a Super Bowl as long as he owns the Dolphins. However, we COULD buy tickets to the Super Bowl in 2020, thanks to the one and only Steve Ross!–HOORAY!
Ken? Pig? How is this a major rebuild? 5 guys.
And Landry demanded a king’s salary, so we had to say “no.” Even if we wanted to keep him.
When we hired Gase, we all knew it would take 3 years for him to get a team of mostly his guys.
Well here we are right on schedule.
Parting ties with your best vets is usually a rebuild
You can rationalize whether it’s a good decision or not, but I think it’s still called a rebuild
Best player on offense gone. Best player on defense gone. James who was our best OL last year may likely be gone. Ajayi was sent packing. This is a major blow up
It is not a major rebuild yet….but it could be or it could not be. But whatever it is, not a three-year plan from when Gase was hired any more. Not looking like they are looking to make a push in 2018.
naples,
This HC’s “system” is what, exactly?
Digestive
He’s shitting all over the fanbase
Ken – James was our best OL last year? He wasn’t playing great at all, and then he got hurt, and Sam Young played better at RT. I like James though, and I hope we can keep him, but last year he wasn’t good. In 2016 he played very well. I think because of his injury, his play suffered last year.
Son is Bellicheat a wuss when he cuts guys who don’t follow the Patriot way?
If Gase is to define and develop the new Dolphins Way, he needs to be allowed to say “hey if you do not follow the way, you are gone.”
That’s what Don Shula said and did. He was tough in practice, tough about penalties, and tough about whiners. You guys said we are undisciplined, well then Gase needs to be allowed to discipline guys.
How many temper tantrum penalties did Landry get last year?
And how many fumbles? (3-4 per year)
How many off-sides did Suh get last year? I bet it was more than the number of sacks or close to it.
Shula would not put with any of that.
That’s lofty company with Shula and Bellichick. They take their best guys and win with them. When Gase starts winning it might be a different thing. All I see now is inability.
good call … certainly not saying Gase is in their league … yet. Although Bellicheat was fired in Cleveland for God Sakes and Shula could not win a Super Bowl with Dan Marino.
MikeE,
Sam Young did NOT play better at RT than James did. What makes you say that? James was absolutely our best OL until he got hurt. Now, if they feel his injury situation is a problem then so be it…move on. If not, we do not have a guy on roster who has the same ceiling as James.
Why are people so hard on Gase for a down year in which he lost his starting QB in TC? Bellicheat did not make the playoffs the year he lost Brady. The Packers did not make the playoffs this year either because they lost Rodgers. Houston lost DeShaun, no playoffs.
And they at least got a bye week to regroup. Gase did not even get a bye at all the whole season!
naples,
And didn’t Gase claim that two of his favorite players were Landry and Ajayi in 2016? The team will shit on players they cut or jettison and give us this whole “culture change” BS excuse. It’s as old as football. You know who’s ultimately responsible for the culture? The head coach, so why was he not fired? Why did he allow these players to create this culture? Is he weak? Is he incapable of inspiring, molding and leading players? I’ve been saying this franchise has a void in leadership for years, but they are just discovering that now?
I don’t actually know of a quote from Gase or the FO that said anything about “culture change.”
But coming from the dank and passive Philbin days, yes we needed a culture change.
How did they shit on Ajayi? They traded him to a SB contender.
How did they shit on Landry? They offered him $16M for one year of football.
How did they shit on Suh. They gave him $60M.
So…if these were all good moves, then why did Tannebaum give Suh that giant contract in the first place? Why did he give Maxwell all that money? Pay so much for Timmons, Thomas, Cutler, Alonso, and Branch? If the best slot WR and best De aren’t worth those contracts, why overpay that long list of losers? If Moore wasn’t good enough, why was he here so long? Name the long list of really good decisions these guys have made so far? Give us reasons why we should believe in their ‘new vision’ for the team? They’ve screwed the pooch for 3 years now, but suddenly Tannebaum has learned something? After 6 years of already screwing the Jets? Seems very similar to me…
We did go 10-6 in ’16, and the roster hasn’t been completely made over. I think cutting Suh is fixing a mistake. Just because you make a mistake, it’s better to own up to it, and correct that mistake, and that’s what he did. Timmons was also a mistake, although how anyone would have an inkling that a solid citizen for 10 years in PIT would all of a sudden lose his shit. Again though, mistake corrected, and c’mon, every team has FA misses, but thankfully, Timmons didn’t cost us anything to cut. Branch had an off year, i think he was hurt, but he had a good year the year before, let’s see if he rebounds. Moore was the backup QB, not sure why you mentioned him. Cutler was a desperate move, and understandable. It didn’t work out. The thing about overpaying for Landry or Suh, so you’re saying if you make mistakes elsewhere, just go ahead and keep making them because you like the players, and you don’t like the others? Sorry New Age, that doesn’t make sense. The Suh signing for that money never should have happened, and Landry simply outpriced himself. I don’t know how many times I have to say it, but paying him $15 or 16M per year is insane for what he gives you. It just is.
It sounds like the team is admitting Suh was a mistake. Not because he’s not a great player and I think he is, but his contract is too much to bear. Which is in agreement with many of you. They’re moving on and hopefully sticking with the draft concept and go young, and stop targeting older stopgaps. Sign solid, young need players in FA who are a good fit. Draft the best players available as they fall.
Gase beat Bill Bellicheck this year.
To me, playoffs one year, beat the patsies the next, we are on the move up.
I hope we do both this year.
We just need a OG, TE, RB, QB, and LB.
Minnesota lost their top 2 QBs and kicked ass…behind a rebuilt OL that dealt with injuries. I’m so damn tired of the excuses. Philadelphia anyone? Behind a backup QB that most thought sucked. Losing Tannehill was not a major blow. Cutler threw just as many TDs and got sacked a lot less. Where we failed miserably was the production from our RBs. That fell off the table…not the QB play. The OL couldn’t run block for shit.
How can you think Foles sucked? He threw 27-2 his only season as a starter before Chip the psycho Kelly messed up his head.
RANDY; WE’RE NOT MINNESOTA. The difference will be readily apparent by the end of this upcoming season when our O-Line STILL WILL SUCK!!
Yeah, they had a great defense, and last time I checked their roster, Suh wasn’t on it. I wanted to say something about your Tannehill comment yesterday, so I will now. You can’t even come close to comparing Tannehill in ’16 to Cutler in ’17. We played terrible the first 5 games in 2016, and Tannehill actually played well in a couple of those losses. Once Gase got the ship right, Tannehill played very well the rest of the season, and the team had a swagger, the team believed in him, and the team played well. That never happend last season with Cutler, he was a rollercoaster, mostly bad in the beginning, sprinkled in with some mediocre and a couple of very good games, but the team never felt confident behind Cutler, because he was so inconsistent. You can say the stats are close, but you know damn well the season and QB play weren’t even close. Tannehill played to over a 100 QBR the last 9 games of that season, and that’s one of the big reasons we went 10-6.
It just won’t be accepted sometimes. Why not roll with what it was and not your perception. Just like this offseason is very unknown at this time, not defined like some are saying. We do not know what this team will look like yet. Let it be…
FA and the draft isn’t over. LOL
https://twitter.com/clairedabear85/status/973318922618527744
So this is from a Bears 85 fan? Isn’t that the year we ruined their run at a perfect season?
Still salty about that one huh?
I don’t really give a flyin fuck what a Bears fan named Claire posts.
naples,
The rhetoric on both Landry and Ajayi was that they were malcontents and bad locker room guys and helped in creating a selfish me-first culture on the team. Where does that come from? That’s what I was referencing.
Where does that come from?
Gase called them both hotheads. Seems to me if your boss calls you out as a hothead, you should know enough to cool it or you just might lose your job. No matter what the industry. “Culture Change” is a term I have not heard any coach or exec use here.
About Minnesota
Zimmer’s a great coach. How old is he? What was his record in 2016? 8-8
in 2014? 7-9
Tim,
Other than maybe Norwell…who’s gonna want a big contract….there’s really nobody available in FA that I really care if we get. Brees, but he ain’t coming here.
I don’t want to sign any FA to a big contract. Sounds like Norwelll to NYG or SF.
Timmons and Thomas were dead men walking. So only thing that really happened today was news that Suh would be released…..and at least some of you’al were encouraging that move given his salary. So not the biggest day ever.
MikeE,
Tannehill also played against a much easier schedule in 2016. Cutler came in with almost no prep. His RB production disappeared. His OL fell apart and his WRs seemed to forget how to play. And still…he threw just as many TDs as Tannehill did in his “best” year. Who cares what the QB rating was if the actual production was the same? Does it matter how it gets done? I don’t think Cutler played great. I think people way over value what Tannehill did. And again, Cutler did it in a much worse situation than Tannehill. QB ratings don’t win football games. TDs do.
Because the actual production wasn’t the same. We won 10 games that season, we only won 6 last year. Tannehill also missed the last 3 games, so comparing TD’s isn’t fair, but go ahead if it makes you feel better. Look at the teams we played both of those years, it’s not so different. ’16 SEA, CLE, CIN, TEN, PIT, SD, LAR, SF, BAL, ARZ. In ’17 OAK, BAL, DEN, KC, TEN, LAC, NO, CAR, ATL TB.
Hey now … not having a bye week is not a flimsy excuse. That shit is real.
Losing your starting QB is not a flimsy excuse. That is a serious detriment.
This debate is not worth it. Nobody ever changes their mind. 🙂
stanger,
It’s a cumulative thing for me. I haven’t liked much this FO has done since they got here. I hated the Alonso trade. I disliked the Ajayi trade in terms of compensation….same for Landry. If you’re not gonna commit to Suh long term…and you know what it’s gonna cost you…why sign him in the first place? It goes on and on. So, i’m letting loose my vitriol today. Tomorrow, i’ll be back to my rainbows and unicorns, ultra-positive self. Lol
naples
I prefer a team that overcomes adversity. Ours let it devour them. It is okay to overcome shit.
I agree wholly.
That’s why we need to get rid of some ppl.
And some coaches. Oh wait, we are doing that too.
The problem isn’t one bad trade or roster move, it’s when you add them all up. It depletes a roster of depth and forces a team to make cuts or roster moves they otherwise wouldn’t want to make. It requires a team to hit on every draft pick because the margin for error is so much slimmer.
It seems as though the team has taken an approach with FAs where they set their price and stick to it. That’s great. I hope it continues. Our cap situation and roster will be in good shape for a new coach/GM if that’s what happens. I’d be shocked if we don’t draft a QB this cycle. Tannehill will get the year to show where he’s at and we’ll hopefully have a new guy to take over if he fails.
“Gase, when both players (Jay Ajayi and Jarvis Landry) were on the roster, even lumped the three of them (himself, Ajayi, and Landry) together in terms of needing to all monitor how their emotions can be perceived”
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/03/12/miami-dolphins-whos-the-most-popular-player-left/
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Yes… the three ‘hotheads’ on the team are/were Ajayi, Landry, and GASE… in Gase’s own words.
So now the team is throwing the term “culture-change” around, as we cut/trade our best players… when in reality, Gase can’t handle alpha-male personalities, and Tannenbaum put us in this cap hell to begin with after Dawn Aponte left.
Most of us have seen this movie before and it doesn’t end well.
Cap hell is over in days and months, no? The potential of our cap next year is strong. What is cap hell?
This is going to be fun . . .
I feel like we arrive at this point where the blog is set up into factions just about every season. Some people really seem to thrive on the negativity, doom and gloom. They just jump all in it. Hope to see you back when things shake out.
I’m not sure that some people really seem to thrive on doom and gloom… some people are just very upset about the state of their team.
MikeE,
Tanneholics have been telling me for years that we can’t hang wins and losses on a QB. If both QBs produced the same amount of points that led to those wins, doesn’t that at least suggest that their true, individual production and contribution to the team’s success was similar? Again, I have no problem agreeing that Tannehill played better than Cutler did, but I completely disagree that it was that big of a difference. If folks wanna keep using all these excuses for why we only won 6 games, doesn’t Cutler get that same excuse? It was probably harder on him than any other player given how he came into the season? The dude actually played with bruised or broken ribs/sternum too. Honestly, I expected him to do worse. Lol
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I truly believe it had much more to do with worse OL play and a terrible rushing attack that was pretty good in 2016….and playing tougher opponents, overall. I’m on record as saying I’d keep Tannehill for this season and try to develop a young kid. If Tanny blows it up, sweet! He’s a great professional and a solid veteran. I’ve always given Tannehill props for his work ethic and competitiveness. He plays hard, and I appreciate what he brings. I just don’t think his ceiling is much higher….and I think we can always try to upgrade at the position. I’m very well aware that we have bigger issues to solve.
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Lastly, this has always been predicated on my belief that it’s just easier to win with a top 5 QB. Yes, they are hard to find and you can win with less. But, who doesn’t truly believe that having a great QB just makes it easier to win in this league? Those guys that can get you 4 wins a year simply with his play? That’s huge. If you don’t have one, then you need to build a great defense and/or running game. That always seems harder to me given how most regimes only get about 3 years to develop their teams and with FA. I just don’t think Tannehill will ever be that sort of QB, so we have to build a great defense or running game. We don’t look very close to either.
I absolutely agree with your second and third paragraphs. They should swing for the fence on a young QB and keep RT for the year. Only good can come of it.
Randy, do you go hot and heavy for a QB, stay put if one drops to #11, or look after 1st rd?
Peeps, we can go 6-10 twice in 3 seasons with the current trades, releases and potential releases. Let Gase win or lose with his vision. That’s his job. When you have hundreds of novice GMs chiming in, it clouds everything. That’s what’s happening here. All those mocks are fucked now!!! LOL
You know what you do with hotheads that won’t change when you’re the boss? You fire their asses.
Mike called it right when he said gloom and doom. Seasons over, total rebuild, yada, yada…because we got rid of three talented, fan-fav, malcontents. Oh the horror…
Nevermind that we still have one of the best RB and deepest WR corps in the league, an upper-end-of-the-average-scale QB, a fast-improving secondary, and a rotation of solid DT and DE. And let’s not forget that we signed a DE who assuredly will not be making $11M this year. Or that we are currently $8M under the cap even after the rookie pool allocation and without doing anything with Suh.
You and “BLL” are getting exactly what you both wished for.
And what is that?
Tim,
I think it depends on what you think of this group of QBs. I think any time you’re around the top 10 you should know if there’s a guy there you like and may want to go get. Hopefully, there is more than one. I’m not looking to draft an average QB in the top 10, so is there a guy or two in this group you feel has the potential to actually be a franchise QB? If so, go get him now if you can do it….as long as it’s not a Herschel Walker trade…that’s just nuts. Lol
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I’m not a big fan of waiting until later rounds to draft QBs unless you’re already pretty solid as a team…and you’re really just strengthening your QB room. There is always the chance he becomes more. If there’s one position i’d take more risk to get, it is QB. There’s always plenty of risk, but you can justify it a bit more for a QB.
Same here.
1. Is there ‘the’ guy?
2. Is it deep enough to take a chance if you have to for a 2nd or 3rd option?
3. Is it overrated and there are QB’s outside the top 4 not far off?
Mike,
I wouldn’t let negative opinions bring you down. We are all fans for life so just do you and ignore the noise. Even though I’m down on the GM and way things are being done, I still appreciate guys that stay positive just like I enjoy wallowing in self pity with the rest. One of these days we will all be celebrating a championship. We might be in our eighties, but it’s going to happen!
LOL
I don’t understand how anyone can be happy about what has transpired with our Phins recently, including today. I don’t think anyone’s ‘fandom’ should be questioned, I just can’t understand what there is to be happy about.
Short and sweet in 2 points…
1) We’ve now dismantled the core of the team that made the playoffs — for the first time in nearly a decade– in 2016. I didn’t realize that Tannehill — and Tannehill alone — was the only reason for that playoff berth.
2) Gase — who can’t deal with alpha-males — is still the HC, while Tannenbaum — the one who put us in cap hell to begin with — is still calling the shots.
What’s to make one think anything is going to change for the better in the immediate future?
Dismantling? Suh, Landry… Timmons and Thomas?
Don’t forget Ajayi.
He had no cap impact.
3 players are not a core.
Landry over priced himself and Suh was finally let go like a lot of people here were saying needs to be done.
How do we know what Gase can deal with? Me first attitudes, stupid penalties, and freelancing assignments seems what got tossed away.
Phins are not in cap hell at all.
I’m not thrilled to see a couple of these guys gone, but it is what it is.
1 – Two players (three if Suh goes) do not make a core, unless they are game changers. Neither were.
2 – Gase dealt with your “alpha males.” He shipped them off. And there is a difference between alpha males and malcontents and prima donnas. Alpha males have the confidence to accept leadership and direction from another; Malcontents and prima donnas publically argue with leadership, commit selfish and childish acts (penalties), and suck the energy out of everyone around them. The team is not in cap “hell.” The team is under the cap.A well managed cap does not necessarily mean being $40M under. A well managed cap can be spending it all as long as you get what you need.
Complaints that Suh is over paid. Complaints they did something about it.
Complaints slot WRs shouldn’t make 16M a year. Complaints they did something about it.
How many comments do you think a post would get if we all just came here and agreed with each other all the time and congratulated each other for what a great team we have? I’m guessing less than 50. Lol
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Now I wonder what NE blogs are like. Must suck.
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YUP!!!
Guys, we’re not in cap-hell NOW because we’re beginning to clean up Tannenbaum’s mistakes… the same mistakes he made with the stej.
Why is he still here?!! What’s to stop him from doing this yet AGAIN?!! C’mon, y’all!!!
And let us not trivialize the dead cap that we’re under with the release of Suh’s Tannenbaum-ratified contract. It’s not like it just magically comes off the books. We’re EATING Tannenbaum’s crap.
You would rather he not face his mistake? Keep paying Suh wads of cash?
TWO WORD ANSWER: Steve Ross.
Oh please…because you have the slightest clue about owning a football team.
Phins had 10M leftover going into last season that unfortunately had to be used. I suspect they will be in same position this year.
You are supposed to spend your money…not go 0-16 and hoard it. Lol
Losing Suh and Landry sucks but looking at the numbers 40 million for a DT and slot rec, i can see why they have to move them.
ElephantRider says:
March 12, 2018 at 8:16 pm
I’m not thrilled to see a couple of these guys gone, but it is what it is.
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And that is as close to a happy face I can come to… it IS what it is, and there’s nothing we can do about it. Time to plug away and draft some STELLAR prospects in order to build this thing the RIGHT way.
Phelon,
Try to keep up! LOL 😉
Really, GM junior? You think you are losing me?
SOMETHING to ponder: In 1972 the Dolphins lost their starting QB early in game 5. Yet back-up Earl Morrall took the Fins to 11 straight victories before turning the reigns back over to Griese at halftime of the AFC Championship Game. Of course the ’72 Dolphins were led by Robbie, Shula and player personnel director Joe Thomas. The 2017-2018 Dolphins have Ross, T-Baum and Gase. It’s a classic case of Hall of Famers vs. “The DOOFUS Brigade.”
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When was the last time the Patriots had to release 3 or 4 of their best players to get under the cap, or trade them for mid-round draft picks??
In 1972:
Average Cost of new house $27,550.00.
Average Income per year $11,800.00.
Average Monthly Rent $165.00.
Cost of a gallon of Gas 55 cents.
Viet Nam was winding down.
Watergate happened
You know what any of that has to do with today? Not a bloody thing.
pheloniusphish says:
March 12, 2018 at 8:24 pm
You would rather he not face his mistake? Keep paying Suh wads of cash?
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Fool me once (Tannenbaum with the stej), shame on me. Fool me twice (Tannenbaum with our Phins)…
I gave him the benefit of the doubt, man. I gave him a clean slate, hoping he’d have learned from his foolishness. EVERYBODY is worth is second chance. Tannenbaum (IMO) has squandered his second chance.
CJ Anderson would be a huge pick up, Drake is not a between the tackles RB IMO.
pheloniusphish says:
March 12, 2018 at 8:32 pm
Really, GM junior? You think you are losing me?
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You aren’t ruffling my feathers, but the snarky name-calling seems JUNIOR, IMO. C’mon, you’re better than that, Bro.
I’m just trying to keep up.
This is totally opinion driven, this Gase can’t deal with Alpha male personalities. Suh was way overpaid. Alpha or not, he was overpaid. Landry wanted to be overpaid, so we chose not to. Ajayi wasn’t about money at all, he wasn’t putting in the work that his coach asked him to, so he fragged his ass, and deservedly so. Maybe Ajayi will be a better man and player for it.
Also, which is it? Is it Gase’s fault because he’s a wuss, or Tannenbaum’s fault because he doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing? Or is it both now, because he wave a numbskull GM and pussified Head Coach? Time to reset again is it? Is that where we’re at? Then you’ll wonder why this happens every 3 years and the team can never finish what it starts
I don’t think losing a DT and Slot rec is a total tear down, Ajayi was the only move i questioned and he was moved due to the fact he was bitching about not getting the ball, I highly doubt his work ethic had anything to do with it
The best I can tell ya is that there is a HUGE disconnect within management. Everything… EVERYTHING points to it, man.
All I know is that Tannenbaum has the ‘Midas-touch’ reversed.
Who is your source on this “disconnect?”
You believe that, but they can very much be on the same page, but just remember, none of us here are privy to their plan or vision, thus, we all just spill out opinions haphazardly, and hit on some, and miss on others, but the truth is, we just don’t know that they’re clueless and ad-libbing every move. I think they have a plan, and I’m willing to be patient and watch it happen. We all may be pleasantly surprised.
Earl Morral had Csonka and Kiick, Miami lost Tannehill then they gave away Ajayi, they could not get the tough yards between the tackles anymore putting them in bad down and distance situations
OD – The Patriots don’t have a position player (other than QB) making anywhere close to what Suh makes, but NE cuts players ll the time, really good players, because they have a system in place, and have a GM that is able to identify players for that system. The Patriots let go a bunch of ProBowl players in the last few years, the list is pretty impressive
LOL New age – That made me chuckle, appreciate that man!
M – What year under Tannebaum were the Jets over the salary cap?
I’d have to look it up… it was the year of their fire-sale. And of course, NO TEAM can play if they are over the salary cap… hence their fire-sale.
With Tannenbaum, it’s wash, rinse, and repeat.
to be honest didn’t the jets go to back to back championship games with Tannenbaum?
Let me help. It was 2013, the year they fired Tannenbaum. And they were able to get under quickly.
You say Tannenbaum doesn’t learn, I say he does and that’s why Suh is going. Because he learned from his Sanchez mistake.
mf13ss says:
March 12, 2018 at 8:34 pm
Tannehill alone — was the only reason for that playoff berth.
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No, the reason we made the playoffs in 2016 was not due to Landry Suh or Tannehill, it was due to our stout running game with Ajayi, That’s why we made the playoffs, and why we didn’t make the playoffs last year
That’s partially true, no question
I KNOW, man!!! 🙂
He was a small part of it. He wasnt THE reason.
Half of his yards in three games. He was not a world beater in the other 13.
Strength of schedule means pretty much nothing in the NFL.
ocalarob says:
March 12, 2018 at 8:48 pm
to be honest didn’t the jets go to back to back championship games with Tannenbaum?
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YUP!!! And then they had to blow it all up due to building a team through high-priced FAs. Sound familiar? 🙂
No, not really. He’s only signed one high-priced free agent in Miami.
MikeE,
I get it, but we aren’t making these choices. If this team has had to reset every 3 years, that’s because the team screwed up and felt they had to. So, it actually validates the opinion that they were fucking up….because that’s actually what is happening. We have been resetting every few years, but it’s not the fans’ fault. Commenting on it and hoping for it are completely different things. I don’t hope for it, but i’ve been seeing it for 2 decades! Lol
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But, we’re all still here…or mostly. 🙂
I’m not blaming the fans at all. I’m just saying it seems like we always want to get the current regime out as soon as they do what some fans deem wrong. Carry on!
Catch you guys tomorrow! Goodnight! Think positive thoughts, we’re turning it around, I feel it
G’night, Mike E! Have a good night, bud.
sb7,
Would you rather play NE every week or Clevelenad? Competition matters. It always matters. If it didn’t, why bother playing the game? I played sports my whole life. I could tell the difference between somebody who was good and somebody who wasn’t. The difference is smaller in the NFL, but it’s still there.
Most teams in the NFL are closer to Cleveland than they are New England so the analogy doesn’t work. The talent difference between teams is so small that games are usually decided by the smallest things or only a few plays. We didn’t have a better season in 2016 vs 2017 because of SOS.
New England also wins because of coaching, something most teams have issues with in this league.
MikeE,
Night. Dream of Super Bowls! I’ll be dreaming of Selma Hayek, hopefully.
Salma
Selma is her ugly aunt and that’s a nightmare
I can’t see Gase hitting the reset button, i think he’s making moves that have to be made due to cap concerns and production, Landry was a great Slot guy but it’s not a move that will kill this team, we still have God, Phillips and Vincent at dt, the move to get Quinn tells me they are getting ready to compete next year.
they need to get a between the tackles RB
Later Mike. Hold the door. I’m right behind you.
If have to go back and look but I’m pretty sure NYJ got into salary cap problems was that they had a talent laden team and they overpaid the guys they had until it bit them, especially that Mark Sanchez contract and I’m also pretty sure Dawn Aponte was there as a capologist when all of that happened.
I am pretty sure Aponte was not there when the Sanchez deal was done
pheloniusphish says:
March 12, 2018 at 8:56 pm
Let me help. It was 2013, the year they fired Tannenbaum. And they were able to get under quickly.
You say Tannenbaum doesn’t learn, I say he does and that’s why Suh is going. Because he learned from his Sanchez mistake.
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Then why did Tannenbaum sign Suh in the first place, and for MAD $$$? You’re right that THAT is the reason we’re cutting Suh only now… AFTER the mistake.
You may recall that I’ve stated (MANY times!!!) that we can only go so long paying two players ‘QB $$$’: today was the day of reckoning for those failures. What’s more, the restructuring of Suh — even once — was enough to kick the $$$ can down the road to the point of cap JEOPARDY.
Now if we can grow our own Draft picks (and quickly), we’ll be alright… but we’ve made a lot of positional coaching changes, so we’ll have to wait and see how it all gels in both the short and long terms.
ORob,
All your RBs aren’t going anywhere until they get this OL right.
what ever it takes to run the damn ball!
pheloniusphish says:
March 12, 2018 at 8:58 pm
Half of his yards in three games. He was not a world beater in the other 13.
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he only played 15 games, and it wasn’t the amount of yards he gained in each game, it was the tough yards he got to put us in easy down and distance situations to pick up the first and the fact that teams had to game plan for him bringing dbs in the box opening up passing lanes for other players
pheloniusphish says:
March 12, 2018 at 8:59 pm
No, not really. He’s only signed one high-priced free agent in Miami.
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You are forgetting about the myriad of medium-priced FAs he’s signed, not to mention the big $$$ extensions he’s signed.
When you looked at our $$$ owed, exiting the ’17 season, it was absolutely unsustainable. It’s quite difficult to build cohesion when ya must cut “x” many NICE players just to fit under the salary cap. We had one of the most top-heavy $$$ rosters in the league, thanks to Tannenbaum. And guess what… we still went 6-10.
So now with the bad deals Tannenbaum had signed and now cutting/trading those players, we’re throwing away good money after bad what with DEAD CAP $$$. The stej had to do the EXACT same thing.
Isn’t everybody calling for keeping our own players which means you have to pay the money the keep them?
Only bad deal was Suh. That’s over now.
I’m with ya… but I’m not happy that it seems we’re gutting our best players. That’s what happens when one is put in “CAP-HELL”. Thank you, Mike Tannenbaum! SMH
In Tanenbaums Defense I can see where the chance to land a whale like Ndamukong Suh at the time was to good to pass up whatever the cost,
I don’t disagree at first glance, but we moved MOUNTAINS to get the cap space to land Suh… which we didn’t have enough of to begin with. So we essentially sacrificed continuity (cuts) in order to make space for Suh.
sb7,
If it doesn’t matter then why do they do seedlings for the playoffs? Why do they have the last team in a conference play the easiest schedule the next year…and the best play the toughest? Why bother if every team is basically the same? I do agree there is more parity in the league nowadays, but there is still a diffference between teams. They’re not all the same., and it’s always easier to beat the bad teams than the good ones.
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Our opponent’s record that year was 88-119-3. A .426 win %. And, we still managed to win only 10 games.
I am litterally laughing out loud reading the doooooooooom DOOOOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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M
The only gutting I see is Suh.
Did you want to pay Landry 16M?
Did you want to keep Timmons and Thomas?
James is still up in the air. My hopes is that he, like Stills did, takes the fair deal and stays.
Nah… I hear ya, man. I’m not ready to jump off the ledge like others, but that doesn’t mean that I approve of Tannenbaum.
I’m going to tell ya something I said a couple of months ago… there WILL be a fan-backlash over these moves. I KNOW that both Son and Pig remember me saying as much.
They’ll forget if team starts winning
He should be cheap….2-3M
Had a good year, big last game and averages 12 yd a catch.
5’9″, but 4.38 speed.
Probably sufficient to handle slot duties
But not exactly what we used to have 😩
M
What do you do with RT17?
Thank you for asking my opinion! Man, I’m STICKING with him. However, that comes with a caveat: we’ve GOT to draft his backup/replacement this year, and that player MUST be far better than Matt Moore.
I consider myself to be rather “Steady-Eddie” when it comes to Tannehill (I’m neither hater nor lover)… he can get it done… IF he’s healthy… and that’s the $19M question for this season.
The possibility is certainly out there that we could trade him… but like many think (such as Mike E and I), there’s no way to gauge his value until we see him in live action action… as in, a meaningful, regular season game.
IF we trade him, I think it would happen after the regular season begins (to prove himself) and before the trade deadline. And the only way I’d cut or trade him is if he’s either sucking badly (poor trade value)… or playing lights out, with the condition we landed ourselves a top-4 QB in this Draft that we’re SOLD on.
Short answer… YES, I’m sticking with Tannehill.
That’s where I’m at. Good answer! Lol
Man, everyone knew last year when the Dolphins picked up Jame’s 5th year option that they would try to renegotiate it at some point before he played on it in ’18. Now there are rumors and DOOOOOOOM
DOOOOOOOOMED
For so many reasons. DOOOOOOMED!
If the only thing that happened was dumping Thomas and Timmons (add Pouncey to that) I doubt anyone would say a thing
But parting ways with Landry, Suh and Ajayi over the last few months is a lot to ask fans to swallow
I think if the compensation was better, it would be a little easier to digest a purge
Actually it would be exciting if we were looking at multiple 1-3 rounders to build our team. But that’s not what’s happening
Ajayi doesn’t bother me after I saw Drake.
I wanted Landry to stay, but he chose money. I thought 13.5M was a very good deal. But apparently not. So, if Phins did layout the big bucks there’d be more laughing at us about overspending on a slot guy.
Suh….I thought would be cut next year. Oh well. The defense hasn’t been good enough to keep him I guess.
5-6 key new players will be added, some depth at a clip of 12 or so and then the young guys already into 2-3 years or more on the team taking the next step. None of this is catastrophic. It will be different but not irreplaceable.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?