(Wedge is crying by a fire)
I can’t believe they would do that to me!
Why!!!!
WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME DOLPHINS!!!
First Ajayi and now Landry…
What is a devastated Alien to do…
…Except talk about other draft prospects like Texas A&M receiver Christian Kirk
The Positives: A lot of experts are calling Kirk the best slot receiver in the draft. He was very productive at Texas A&M in his three years there. He caught over 80 passes in his first two seasons with the Aggies and his final season wasn’t half bad either with 66 catches. Kirk cgained just below 2,800 yards in those three years and caught 26 TDs.
The Texas A&M offense isn’t the most explosive offense – but Kirk was used a lot of different ways. He went deep, ran a ton of bubble screens, was used on reverses (he had 21 total carries for 121 rushing yards) and was a kick returner on special teams.
Kirk has solid hands. Not a lot of bad drops on his tape. His hands measured in at 9 7/8ths at the combine.
But Kirk’s biggest strength like a certain recently departed Dolphins was gaining yards after the catch – YAC! Kirk made a lot of defenders look silly with broken tackles and poor guesses. Kirk is a strong runner and a strong player – he had the 4th best bench press reps among receivers at the combine. So you can see why Kirk as a slot receiver seems like natural fit.
The Negatives: Well the first thing I should point out: WHY DO WE NEED A RECEIVER?!?!? This gripe is not about Kirk as a player, its about the loss of Landry which this alien just can’t get over. I thought I was done begging the Dolphins to draft receivers but….
Kirk isn’t a big receiver (5’10) and while he had a respectable 40 yard dash at 4.47, that does not put him in the class of an elite speed demon. Kirk is notable for his lateral quickness but not his vertical speed. There are some questions as to whether he can stretch the field at the next level.
The Alien Dust: The Dolphins have a lot of needs but drafting a player like Kirk can go a long way in replacing Jarvis Landry. And when push comes to shoe, Kirk might be better at stretching the field than Landry ever once.
The big issue is do the Dolphins spend a high pick on a receiver? Kirk can go anywhere between mid first to early 3rd. If the Dolphins trade down in the first round or Kirk is available into the 2nd round – I think he might be a viable pick (if the Dolphins have not signed another receiver in free agency)
Well it’s not the most devastating weapon – but right now, right now I just need Christian Kirk to be my handkerchief.
(Wedge begins to cry again)
You can watch his highlights here:
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ElephantRider says:
March 12, 2018 at 9:52 pm
That’s where I’m at. Good answer! Lol
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LOL, Thanks! If Tannehill comes back 100% healthy, I think we’ve got to stick with him. And if that’s the case (or even if not!), it’s IMPERATIVE to get this O-LINE fixed!!!
The Wilson news actually has me somewhat optimistic because it’s showing me a bit of what they would like the offense to become which it what I’ve been saying for the past few years. Spread out the D with your weapons, make it hard to cover everyone and you’ve got guys like Wilson and Grant who could be gone on a slant or go deep. Plus both have pretty damn good verticals.
Wilson should also have a pretty good price tag as well. I like it.
And people wonder why Omar has lost ALL of my respect. He aspires to write for Pravda, for crying out loud. SMMFH 😡
none of what I’m seeing bodes well for Parker. Wilson, although tiny for a wr and probably more of a guy they use in certain situations like Grant, is a football player. Even at his size, he’ll truck you. He loves to play the game. Parker doesn’t fit the mold on offense at this point. I think the team wants guys who are out there giving it up on game day and Parker doesn’t do that.
We’ll see, I guess, but I’m not banking on Parker being here much longer.
Friendly reminder… don’t trust ANYTHING ya hear right now!!! It’s “Smoke Season”…
Isn’t Parker in the same boat in 2019 as James is now in 2018?
Correct
That is, if we want give DeVante his 5th-year option as we’ve extended to James, of course.
I SEE things. It’s not what I’m hearing. It’s what I see and when I SEE the direction the team is going in it makes sense to me. Phins want PLAYERS. They want guys who go out and give it up on game day. They don’t want Prima Donnas out there on the field on offense and they want guys who play for each other and aren’t about themselves.
They add Wilson to the mix and you look at what we’ve got and it puts Parker on the outside looking in and says to me they offense is going to have a completely different look to it this season as far as the plays we see. Short, quick passes to quick, speedy guys who could take it to the house any time they touch the ball, spread out the defense with the speed and then take ’em deep.
Only problem is Tannehill doesn’t fit the mold now either. They need a qb who can get the ball out fast and he just can’t do it. They need a guy who processes quickly and gets it out of his hands quickly. So, who is the guy?
In FA, my money is on Bridgewater. In the draft, it’s on Benkert and Woodside.
He’s the type of guy the Pats target.
Lou, I raise you that Tannehill is our starting QB in 2018 barring injury. Doesn’t mean we won’t draft a QB in any round.
The one thing I think we sometimes forget is this level of sports, these guys compete for their jobs every year throughout their careers. Even Suh who is really good is too expensive. Seems to be the new way. Lots of trades and deals already happening across the league. I’ve never seen this much movement this early before. Welcome to 2018……..
Not buying it. With the offense they want to put on the field they need a guy who can run it and see if it’s going to work/how well it’s going to work and Tannehill isn’t capable of running that type of offense. They need a guy who, when he’s walking up to the line, can see the D, see the matchups, know where he’s going with the ball and get the ball out quickly. Tannehill has never shown he can process that quickly. He holds the ball way too long.
Even when you want to stop and take a sip of water, Lou rides by saying take down Tannehill. LOL
Tim and Prof Lou,
Who are YOUR top options to replace Suh… or are they already in-house?
I’d say Dontari Poe, but the more I think about it, Jordan Phillips is ‘supposed to be’ Dontari Poe.
Could be Poe in FA and Vea or Payne in the draft. But, I’m still not convinced we stay with a 4-3 until otherwise proven wrong. Why would we be looking at a NT from Bama? He’s going to back up Phillips on the nose. Phillips played the nose at Oklahoma.
Harris is better suited as a 3-4 pass rushing OLB than a 4-3 DE. Quinn played OLB under Wade Phillips. I don’t think they were looking at him as a 4-3 end. We’re looking at signing a guy who was an ILB in a 3-4 with Tennessee.
We’ll see what happens.
It’s not really about replacing Suh as much as getting good out of all 4 DT’s on the roster when they are called upon. I do think we’re in the mix for Vea and Payne.
Agreed… I DO think we’re in the mix for Vea and Payne at this point.
I’m audi. Let’s all remember — despite our opinions — that we ALL want our Phins to WIN!!!
HELL YEAH!!!
Of course. 🙂
I tend to think if there was decent compensation on the table for Tannehill, the Dolphins will take it
I just hope they have the fortitude to negotiate decent compensation which I think is the biggest problem With their moves recently
It would have to be. They have no reason to let him go…it would have to be worth it. Everyone knew Landry was going….
RT17, I still think is the planned starter. Shop him, but he’s got to show he’s healthy and there has to be someone else to play QB. As of now there isn’t.
Well if they were serious about drafting a qb early they can sign a vet
I don’t know that they see 2018 as a competitive season
Lol
He is much more accurate than I thought initially. I think he’s gone before 11…..let’s see what happens
Piggy
I think they know they have to win this year. I am leaning to they are filling the pieces to be interchangeable. Don’t need a team of superstars if you have a bunch of good players all in and on same page.
Keenum going to the Broncos.
Robinson going to the Bears.
If I were MIA I wouldn’t do the post June 1 designation on Suh. Yeah, you save $17M but it’s not until after June 1 when it’s useless because you’re thru FA and who are you signing at that time? Then you’ve got $13M in dead cap on the books next season so the net effect is the same thing.
It’s an accounting issue more than anything. Take the $3.9M in cap savings and take the hit on the dead cap up front and be done with it this year. Who cares about saving $17M when you’re not going to be able to use it anyway and then when the $13M in dead cap hits you in March of next year you still only end up with $3.9M to use anyway.
Agreed but that assumes Tannebaum can show restraint in March
I mean, does that many good prospects get released in June and July that we’re going to really need that money at that time? Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t see the sense in it.
That’s what I think. Only reason is to sign the rookies and a little insurance nest egg.
I’d rather bite the bullet and get it all done this year too.
Rookies are already covered and they are sitting at 8.4M under cap, not counting anything they might do with Suh.
I agree they may as well take the whole hit this year. Best scenario would be to trade Suh. Still get the hit, but maybe get something back.
If this is a true rebuild then we’ll find out very soon. They will have to cut RT17 and save 15M.
I think it’s a retooling and there’s no reason to think they are tanking the season.
And I see Lou is still vapor locked on Bridgewater.
He’s a player being connected to the team in free agency. It’s not just me
He’s also from South Fla and would probably love to play for Dolphins
If the Dolphins are trading Tannehill and drafting a WB – bridgwater makes sense. But he better be cheap
I think Armando reads us.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204707034.html
The stuff about team culture and team chemistry is ridiculous
The Dolphins have buyers remorse about how much they spent
Today the win blows in this “team culture bs by next week they will Be making the same mistakes
Correcting a mistake – simple as that.
Keep your eyes 👀 open for new mistakes
Notwithstanding Miami’s reasons, culture and chemistry are the foundation of any effective team. An individual, no matter how talented, subtracts from a team’s ability to succeed. You may think the whole thing is jokey, the “There’s no ‘I’ in team.” thing, but it is real. And it’s not the talent part. You can have talent and be a part of the team. You can even be an individual as long as you are willing to put it aside for the better of the team. Some of th highest performing teams I’ve ever built could barely breath the same air outside of work, but when they were working it was all about the mission. That’s what Belichek has achieved in NE.
That’s fine Phish
Except suddenly all the guys Like Suh, Landry and Ajayi are bad for team chemistry and maybe they weren’t so bad and are just being made scapegoats of a 6-10 season where a lot went wrong other than what those players did
Last season a video of our OL coach doing cocaine and pledging love to a hooker before a coaches meeting went viral -to me that’s a pretty good indication that there are deeper problems but I guess in the grand scope of things the most embarrassing thing I’ve ever seen a coach do is not an indication of anything…
Maybe they cleanup up the locker room and will bring in high caliber character players and everything will be fine
But maybe – just maybe that’s bullshit
What are the odds? I think they are stacked against the FO
I think they are seeking us all BS and the real problem with this team isn’t restricted to the lockerroom
Great, so we sign a 32 YO leader, one who’s here for a year or two, and then breaks down, and doesn’t play, and then your leader is gone. I want to sign a younger player, one that can be here a while.
We don’t have $ for that type of player
And probably don’t have the picks to address that need and any other needs
Yes
I hope any money spent In FA is spent on the OL
We can identify RB, WRs and TEs that can help into the 4th round
But it seems like pickings her slim on OL after the 2nd round
It’s looking like the Dolphins are keeping James and supriSingly Pouncey
So maybe adding 1 OG In free agency is enough
Teddy hasn’t played an NFL game in 2 years, and yet there’s panic around Tannehill because he didn’t play last year. I find that kind of funny
It’s not panic
It’s just consistent with the moves
By next week I fully expect a bunch of stories about Tannehill being a bad leader and problem in the lockerrooom
Broncos and Keenum (?)…. this means Broncos join 49ers as biggest threat to take Nelson. Very interesting move.
I don’t think Keenim is in their plans to start I stop think they are focused on bringing in a qb
really? That’s interesting. Let’s see what they pay Keenum (cuz obviously you don’t give a big contract to a backup). Also, I can’t see Keenum signing someplace unless he knows he’s gonna start. I don’t think Denver takes QB at #5 and sit him behind Keenum.
Watkins and Chiefs…. man, remember those games vs Miami when he was in Buffalo? He’s still young… if he ever gets back to ‘pre-bone fracture’ form. Even though he had less than 600 yds with Rams he still had 8 TDs. I was kind of hoping Fins would take a chance on him… but no idea what Chiefs are paying him.
Piggy – Cespedes is a great example of a very good player but a clubhouse negative. He carried the team when he first got to NY (something Suh could never do), and the mets almost won the World Series that year. The Mets basically had to re-sign him, the fans were foaming at the mouth, so they signed him. He’s totally a ME person, and he’s a very talented player, but he does nothing good as far as leadership, leading by example, and in fact, is you hope people don’t don’t follow his lead, because he does whatever the hell he wants, rules don’t apply to him. I don’t think it was exactly the same with Suh, but not too different either. They both do their own workouts, come in great shape, but they don’t really inspire anyone else, they just do their thing.
You just wanted to say Cespedes
oh crap… Sammy Watkins 3 yrs / $48 million from Chiefs …. never mind about my above comment. lol
Piggy – I don’t think Keenum would sign with DEN if he wasn’t going to start. I’m sure both he and his agent discussed that. I don’t think DEN is drafting a QB in the 1st RD
Maybe
I don’t know the details of the contract but I think Eleanor wants some one to develop
I didn’t want to sign Watkins anyway, but that contract sounds insane. I wonder how much guaranteed money they’re giving him
Keenum to Broncos doesn’t mean they are not taking a QB. I bet they still take one
Don’t they have Paxton Lynch if they want to develop a QB? No way they draft another 1st RD QB, that just doesn’t make sense
I think they have seen enough to know he is not the answer
Dolphins signing WR Albert Wilson 3/$24
3 YR/$39M – I would LMAO!
are my numbers wrong? or did you think I was predicting? 🙂 This was from NFL Network report (while I work on taxes from home) 😉
I think Mike was referring to the contract that Miami offered Landry – $13M a year. It would have been ironic if they turned around and gave that to another slot receiver.
Already spending that $
wow he’s fast.
small though, like are we getting our own band of smurfs a la Patriots?
ONLY if we have a QB with quick reads 😉
Which, according Garp…I mean Lou…miami does not.
Piggy – I don’t think the big three are being made scapegoats. The team also replaced some coaches too. And it probably wasn’t a sudden thing. They have been the way they are from the beginning. Ajayi was left home the first game of 2016, the locker room hated Suh in 2015, Landry has been throwing flag-drawing temper tantrums since day one. And it was all overlooked – accepted – because they are talented. At some point they became bigger than the team. Once that happens, the only way to deal with it is how the team dealt with it.
That’s the thing Phelon – People here are getting so mad that they are looking at this as if Landry, Suh and Ajayi are being blamed. They’re not. Ajayi wasn’t a fit because he wasn’t doing the job his HC asked him to do. Landry and Suh were $$$ issues.
I think Denver still takes a QB, but not at 5. I think they will wait for one of the second tier QB in the 2nd-3rd round.
When you don’t have a franchise caliber QB and you have a shot to get one in the draft you don’t pass that up. Elway knows the value of a QB. Broncos are going QB at 5
Regardless of locker room antics you don’t pay a DT or WR that kind of money if you hope to build a successful team. Any perceived antics makes the decision to part ways easier.
Albert Wilson. Every thing is better now
Landry with speed at a lower cost.
Not enough remotely close to Landry
Maybe, but maybe he would have been if he had been targeted as much as Landry. Hopefully we will never know. Because, hopefully, Miami will have spread the ball out more going forward.
He’s good at breaking tackles and good at some of the things we like to do like WR screens
But Overall if I gave Landry a A-
I would give Wilson a C
There is quite a disparity between the two players in terms of skill set
Even though Miami can’t use the Suh cap savings directly before June 2, they can use them indirectly. The rookie pool cap hit is just north of $8M. So they can use that $8M now if needed and use the Suh money to sign draftees in June.
No the rookie cap is only for rookies
Yes, but it not counted against the cap until June. So they just need to have the money then and they will with the Suh savings.
That makes sense
Ken I think he means the portion you allocate for rookies still goes to total cap
So you’re just don’t sign rookies until after June 1 and you will be under the cap
Ken – I think Elway sees himself as a QB guru and thinks he can find one outside of the first.
Since he has been GM he has focused on the position. He brought in Manning, he drafted Lynch in the first which didn’t work, he is going to sign Keenum. He is very focused on the position. He is supposedly very high on Josh Allen and was personally at Allen’s bowl game where Allen tore it up.
Could be and it wouldn’t surprise me either way.
Ken – You think Lynch paying in 4 games is enough? That’s a bit of a stretch. I’m not saying they’re all in on him, but getting Keenum does give them time to develop him.
I think it was his pre season last year when he failed to beat out Trevor Seimian when they realized he is not the answer
The Wilson signing should also tell you what the Dolphins think of Leonte Carroo.
This was an Adam Beasley tweet, the header didn’t copy
Very true
Could be. I don’t see them as the same kind of player so they could just as well be complimentary.
Yep
Another Tannebauk mistake when it comes down to it
A drive by post, but one of mine should take a month or so to digest.
Landry was a player we should have tried a little harder o maintain, i dont know how much i believe we offered 13.5, but i would agree that was a fair offer. Im not reeling over the loss, but i do believe the Dolphins FO completely misplayed the negotiations. This is what brings my belief on the 13.5 into question, they so badly misplayed the negotiations that they are completely inept, or they had no intentions of re-signing him anyways. If its the latter, which i hope, then im betting its less Landry being greedy than it is the Dolphins being chincey.
This is how they should have played it. First, if Quinn is being sought after and they really wanted him, given our cap situation, you work out a trade that puts us over the cap and with Landry tagged because teams know we cant afford to have him still on the roster March 14th. This gives them complete leverage on the trade, and that resulted in less than fair compensation for the top receiver in this FA period. Had they Cut Timmons and Thomas first, and then Tagged Landry it looks more like we are planning on keeping him, and having the cap space to do it, and we could have leveraged a better deal. Obviously they were willing to give up a 3rd, and i think they would have a second, had we not been in a position where it was obvious we weren’t and couldn’t afford keep him.
Also i think it would have been a smart move to have tried for Kizer as part of the package, he would be a young QB who would get a chance at a new start, with expectations of being a backup or third string option, depending on how we play out this QB situation, which ill get to that in a sec.
As for Suh, its really perplexing, and im still not sure i believe it, but it is probably going down as im typing. The reason i dont get it is 17mil being money we cant use in FA this year. On top of that we are putting off 13mil in dead money hit to next year, so we sign the rookies out of the 17, and have 12 left so next year we are still in the red by 1, but with the increase in cap it is pretty much washed away, but that means we arent carrying anything over to next year, which usually means we are back here in this same place next year determining who we can cannibalize to get under cap. Suh would be better as a straight up cut if thats going to happen and if thats going to happen he is worth trading, because we would have the same cap situation. If we cut/trade him we get a 22mil dead number this year, but we actually still get 4mil back, which almost signs the rookie class, so the end result isnt any worse than it would be as a June 1st designation in the end. We’d also be completely done with it and we move on, and with the possibility of something in return from a trade i cant see why all the focus is on a June 1st designation.
If its a for real thing and they want him gone to change the locker room (more on that as well) ask Suh what team he wants to go to (aside from any AFC East teams), get on the phone, make a deal for something and get this over with, eat the cap hit, make money from somewhere else, move on.
As for QB, I know ill be accused of Tanny bashing, but with all the other shit going on, cutting Tanny loose or trading him for someone else isnt the worst idea. There is a market for QB’s right now, a strong one, and we could capitalize to get picks that allow us to move up and get a guy this year. If we are sold on someone, even if we think they might be a project, lets take our lumps and do this. As i said before, i would have pushed to get Kizer as past of the trade with the Browns, and used him as a backup and competition for whomever we brought in via draft. Its still possible we could Trade Suh to a team and pick up one of their young guys in trade to be our backup and do the same thing.
As for the locker room thing, i believe it. None of this makes any sense if that’s not what it is. Now do i think Gase should be so unable to reach these Alpha Male characters? No because he is supposedly one himself and those guys shouldn’t run from a problem they should face it head on. I agree with Son that Gase is making himself look like a pussy, he should have been able to get those guys back in line.
With what we have left and with expectations that Suh will be let go, this is what id do.
Id contact the Browns who have just traded away one of their starting DT’s and i pitch Suh for pick 123 and Gavin Escobar. Id also reach out to Jax and offer Suh for pick 129 and Duane Smoot. Both teams have the cpa space to eat that hit and both teams immediately upgrade their defense with Suh.
Id shop Ryan Tannehill as well, but im holding out to get what i feel is good compensation. There is no immediate need to trade him, it just makes sense since this feels like a reboot to fully reboot. I also feel it wouldnt be a bad move for Tanny too, he isnt getting younger and his chance to really establish himself with another team is slipping away. My though is i would look to a team like Arizona, Cleveland, maybe even Denver and im shooting for a 2nd and a conditional 2019 2nd. For Any of these teams they get a starting caliber QB, at a cheaper rate than any of the FA’s this year and they still can draft a rookie for the future. If i get that compensation i trade and if not i hold on and do the same thing with Tanny, but ill have to find some other ammunition for my move up to get our guy this year. If i dont Trade Tanny im going to work out a restructure.
If i do Trade Tanny im going to also look to trade or cut Pouncey. Again, this is not a move i make unless im going full rebuild and i think moving on from Tanny is the definitely line in the sand that puts us full rebuild.
Lets say i pull off these changes, id have 4 picks in days 1 and 2, and a future day 2. Id also have picked up a young player either at DE or TE, both positions where we need to get some young talent. I would have created a ton of cap space to fill some holes in FA and we take our lumps next year, going into it knowing that, and hopefully begin to gel and come together as a team from there. I do agree we played a lot more like individuals last year than a team, so in some ways i see what Gase if saying about the players he has jettisoned, but i also think he is a lot more culpable than he is accepting the responsibility for.
Ok so big drive by, i kinda parked and chatted, etc, but drive by over, if you read it thank you for your time.
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You don’t post for a month and then post War and Peace
Fucking stormtroopers are the worst!
Meh I’d rather not sign Wilson!
But it’s a whatever for me!
I think there are comprable options in the draft on day 2
I would rather spend the $ on OL honestly
I think he’s a good player who will produce for us but I think it’s a bad idea
To sign him and generally a bad signing
Sounds like D got hijacked by Prof Lou. lol
If we are going to sign smallish wrs like Wilson, it’s get even more important to get a TE who can be a major part of the offense
I didn’t think we needed to sign a WR, I would have been fine going forward with what we have, and maybe drafting a mid to late RD WR.
There are some decent ones
I’ve recently gotten into both DJ Moore and Christian Kirk
I don’t really like the signing
LMAO!
I come back to Gase wanting to emulate the best: Shula and Bellicheck (just for quick examples)
Shula was a no nonsense guy who would still joke around and was considered a players coach, but he would cut you in a minute if you went off script, fumbled a lot, or whined. (Ajayi, Landry, Suh)
So you think Bellicheck would tolerate Suh saying he has his own off-season workout routine, and he’ll show up whenever he feels like it? That’s what he told the Dolphins.
All 3 of those players were known to freelance on the field and not follow the play sent in from the sideline. You think Andy Reid would allow that? or Zimmer? or either of the Steelers coaches?
That creates havoc, gets your QB hurt, loses yardage, and/or lets loose a 3rd and 12 into a first down, all because some very important player decided to do something for himself instead of the team and Plan B didn’t work out.
Bellicheck cut Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, several recent LBs, Vince Wilfork, Le Garrette Blount twice, once after 18 TDs and Wes Welker was allowed to walk away. He’s cut Martellus Bennett twice. He cut Chris Long after a very good year.
You might say that shit cost him the SB this year, but let’s see if the Eagles go on a 17 yr domination of their division.
Gase is building for the long term with a roster of team players who are replaceable parts, not guys who think they are a clothing store brand name. And he had to start with a bunch of Philbin’s guys.
Nicely put out Naples. And think you are spot on. Gase like “team” guys. Some might read into that ones that don’t challenge his authority…but maybe that just goes with the same. We’ll see if it works out.
Short version of Gase’s plan:
Follow a proven model. (Shula/Bellichick)
quick short passes to fast WRs who can scoot 20 yds or take it to the house..
RBs who are threats in the passing game (see above)
a stable of RBs so your offense always has fresher legs than their defense
no-name defense of role-players who are never out of position
DBs who hold on every pass, usually successfully
BIG TEs who can run and catch and shove to get space in the RZ
HUGE DTs
Let’s watch Gase assemble the above. Should be fun.
People keep saying Gase shoulda coulda woulda been able to reach the “alpha” males. Now I ax each and every one of you say so – How? How do YOU reach that guy who says fuck you, watcha gonna do about it? This isn’t like the Marine Corps where you could step out behind a dumpster for a little one on one counseling to work it out or the rest of the team takes an issue on by having a blanket party. So what shoulda coulda woulda YOU do? Do tell….inquiring minds want to know.
In the interest of pissing off as many of those addressed above as possible, I posit that none you have ever been in the position of dealing with alphas on a team as the boss.
I have. I manager employees and personalities just like there just in a different spectrum. You clip their balls. Whatever it is that makes them feel they are in control you set a boundary to show them they are not. For example he could have put Ajayi on the bench and kept him there. Its detremental to a player to be benched, and yes it is to the team as well, but if its what ya gotta do it what ya do. Landry wants to bitch about getting more throws, put Grant out there more. Suh wants to be responisble for himself only, tell him you are going to judge him and his playing time off the progress of someone that he is supposed to be mentoring. These guys have weaknesses, they have places they dont want to be hit because it hurts and they are vulnerable to it. You as a Marine know this, because they break you of the Me personality by exploiting these same things. You should know best of all of us how this is done.
I do, but with these guys you are limited. You don’t have time in a 16 game season to play the long game, because they are destroying your team unity. The only thing you can do is send them packing.
This whole narrative I’ve been reading from FANS about Gase being a pussy who cannot coach alpha players is bullshit. Where, ANYWHERE!?, is there a quote attributed to the team, the coach or staff saying the release of these TWO Players (Suh, who it is conjecture at this time he will even be released, because the team hasn’t said ANYTHING) or Landry were let go do to “locker room” issues? ONE reported suggested it, another reporter reported that one reporter suggested it and it has run from there.
There has been no quote attributed to anyone in power at the team that has even eluded to they being let go because of attitude problems. You guys are just making up shit at this point. Or running with other guys’ made up shit.
Gase has a “Pussy Plan”. Don’t worry. lol
I used to have one of those. Then I got married. Again. And again.
I don’t put too much stock in the alpha male bs. Just about every player in the league has some alpha male in them or else they would not be playing the game at this’s level. I think the moves are primarily cap driven because Tannenbaum really fucked us on the cap.
The whole conversation is based upon conjecture from one reporter who is well known for making shit up when there is nothing to report. (Armando) Does anyone think it is possible that the following may have occurred?
1. Landry wanted more money than the MAX set out by the team for a slot receiver?
2. The Team reevaluated the production they were getting from the highest paid player on defense and saw that production going DOWN while the pay went up? The team want’s to use the cap space on the other 52 positions?
No, it couldn’t be that! It has to be that the head coach is a pussy and can’t deal with “alphas” ….
SMH
The team cant use the cap space on any other positions. If you break even on the losses, then there is another motivation other than cap space to blame. They can create cap space a bunch of different ways. If Suh is the target, with his contract as it is, then there is a reason he is the target and not a person who has a much better cap saving option, and also isn’t bringing an equal level of production to their salary.
Anyways im getting pulled back in so im going to do like i said and step back again. Have fun with these endless and pointless arguments about things none of you can control.
Was good to see you D. And yeah none of us can control it any more than we can the games. Life of being a fan rather than a player.
Piggy – If we don’t get a very good pass catching TE, this offense is probably not improving much at all. It’s so important
Cespedes!
Keuchel
He’s a great pitcher
What draft picks? The pick from the Landry trade? Is Wilson an upgrade over Landry?
^ Picks
Saves 5 Mil a year!
and picked up a pick or 2 picks
Personally I think D can’t handle the alpha males on this blog, and that’s why he’s leaving again.
This is how I see why they have moved on from Ajayi, Landry in Suh. It’s the one big commonality that’s not being talked about as much (actually I just saw NaplesFan had the same thought in his 11:47 post). Based on past reports, they were each known to ‘freelance’ in games. I think it was stated more than once that Ajayi would try to improvise and would more often lose yards and put the offense in unfavorable down and distance situations, and that the coaches wanted him to stick to the plays as called. Same goes for Suh – complaints of improvising a number of times. I believe there was also talk that Landry would sometimes cut off routes and improvise at times as well.
So it’s not a can’t coach thing (can’t coach if they won’t listen and feel they don’t have to), not an alpha thing (well actualy it is kind of – the front office just showed each of them who the apha is by jettisoning them), and yes of course $$$ was also a major thing (production not equaling projected cost). The reason Tannehill is liked and staying (for now) is that he runs the plays as called and probably always LISTENS AND FOLLOWS ADVISE. Maybe he doesn’t always execute the play as well as we’d all like, but probably the coaches saw some stady improvement from him executing the instructions they gave him. Coachable + upside + realistic salary for positon = stays.
Albert Wilson is 25. So even if the 3 years and $24 mil is a bit steep given his numbers…..we are getting him at career prime time. He’s also used to working the middle with one heck of a good TE. Hope he’ll put that experience to work for us.
Where are the Alpha Males on this blog?
Lurking, always lurking
Twice – I think some of that definitely played into it, but I do think the money is the largest issue with Landry and Suh.
Think he is right on what Gase wants though. Still convinced his coaching idol is the evil genius. Interchangeble parts that follow the brainy game plan he comes up with. And part of that is them actually doing what you tell them. Another is them being scared not too.
Wyo
I don’t think Albert Wilson is an upgrade over Landry. He may be more explosive, and I’m sure his YPC number will be higher, but hard to say he’s an upgrade. I think replacement is a better choice of words, because that doesn’t mean he’s better, he’s just replacing him.
not to sure about that, his speed at 4.3 is a definite upgrade
Mike – Agreed on the money thing – and for those that might point to Ajayi’s contract, I wouldn’t be shocked if he was already complaining behind the scenes about his contract after his big year. But I think the freelancing for all three drove the coaches absolutely crazy. They might have lobbied with the rest of the FO for some of them staying if they were team players. Add the two things together and nobody was lobbying for them to stay at their (in their minds) justified rate of pay.
I hear that. Totally makes sense
I don’t think that’s accurate, Ajayi was complaining to the coaching staff about not getting enough touches after brutal losses, every time he had the carries they had won, after the Ravens game he was livid as were the coaches reeling from a tough loss. I very seriously doubt it had anything to do with money, tempers flared and it became a distraction so they booted him along with their season.
Fair point, I’m merely speculating. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened behind the scenes. Something like “Hey, look what I did, I deserve better.” Which I’m not saying isn’t a wrong thing to say. Maybe because of Drake, they knew they had a fallback, and decided to nip thingsf in the bud.
Are you the Alpha?
That’s a wee little gator.
Sorry Mike E
I don’t think Wilson is an upgrade either!
But it looks like we took some chicken shit and made chicken salad out of it?
And I’m talking we could have let Landry walk for nothing, and got what we could out of it!
Yeah man, agreed on that.
Rob – Did you forget all this stuff?
Gase was clearly tired of Ajayi’s attitude. Let’s not forget the running back was kept behind in Miami before last year’s opener in Seattle because Gase wasn’t happy with the way he reacted to his role
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Now go back to just a few days ago when Gase openly called out his key offensive players and made it no secret he was tired of Ajayi’s act.
On Friday, Gase said, “We gotta stop trying to hit home runs all the time. How about take the 4-5 yards we’re gonna get? Comes down to everyone doing their job. Start doing that. It might help.”
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Ajayi didn’t take to that criticism very well and reportedly had numerous issues and encounters with Gase over the last few weeks.
Guess who won this argument?
Gase made his point. He asked his personnel people to deal Ajayi and they did.
some of what you said may be true and may have lead to the explosion, however i heard differently at the time after the ravens game. going back to the post I doubt it was about $$.
as for who won?? it’s clear Ajayi won, LOL
I keep seeing Wilson has 4.3 speed. Where is that coming from? He ran a 4.43 at the combine
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/albert-wilson?id=2543588
He’s been eating his Wheaties.
look at his first attempt
WTF
Gase can’t even get control of a fuckin kicker? 😉
So much for my possible Parkey jersey. Guess we’ll have to use one of our 4ths on a kicker. 🙂
twicethethe says:
March 13, 2018 at 12:13 pm
Maybe because of Drake, they knew they had a fallback, and decided to nip thingsf in the bud.
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Drake is a great back, however i don’t think he has the skill-set of Ajayi, he’s more of an open space runner where Ajayi was a between the tackles RB, Drake made some great runs but on a lot of occasions he got stuffed at the LOS putting us in long down and distance. I think Gase knows Drakes skill set, that’s why when they booted Ajayi the other RB (forgot his name) was starting and taking the inside carries until he went down with injury.
I hope we can get CJ Anderson or someone like him, that position needs to be addressed IMO
Actually Drake did really well at running in between the tackles and yards after contact. Much better than what Ajayi was doing at the time when he was traded
drake is not as powerful as ajayi was going up against dt’s & lbers, he made some great runs and is a very good back just a different skill set than ajayi, it’s not how many yards you break off in big runs, it’s getting the tough yards consistently in the trenches to put your team in manageable 2nd and 3rd down situations and to bring up the defense to stop the running game thus opening up the field of play for the recs.
JMO
In theory you are correct O Rob but the numbers don’t back it up. Drake was a stud when he finally got the chance to be the featured back
“Former Washington Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins plans to sign a three-year, fully guaranteed $84 million contract with the Minnesota Vikings on Thursday, sources tell ESPN’s Adam Schefter.”
Guess he gave up $mil a year not to play for the Yets….money well spent.
^”$2 mil a year”
“Have fun with these endless and pointless arguments about things none of you can control.”
D, that is the purpose of the board, is it not? LOL We call come on here and argue over things we cannot control, and in most cases know a bare minimum about.
It’s about time!
https://twitter.com/PhinsiderRadio/status/973599497522765824
With Drake, Grant, Stills and now Wilson…..seems we can put out one heck of a speed package.
LOL @ Rob!
WTF???? We don’t have a kicker!???? What is the Duffus brigade up to? SMH
DOOOMED DOOOOOOOOMMMMMMEEEEEDDDD I SAY!
Don’t worry my next 547 drafts will have a kicker in the 7th! 😉
No teammates have said a negative word about Ajayi and Landry. In fact, the only comments we have heard from teammates is that they were surprised to hear such characterizations and said they weren’t cancers in the locker room. Gase himself praised them in 2016….just as many fans did….as great players and leaders. Funny how that changed…for both Gase and some fickle fans….when you win 6 games.
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Gase should have figured it out. That’s…you know…his job. I heard almost every single ex coach on TV who talked about it say he should have figured out a way to keep his high end talent on the team because that’s the head coach’s job. If you’re gonna compare him to bellicheat and Shula, then remember that both of them have coached and kept “problem children” and “alpha males”. Manny Fernandez? Czonka? Morris? Brady? Gronk? They made it work by actually coaching them and not just getting rid of them.
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Throw in the questionable, if not terrible, coaching hires he’s made, and there’s plenty to wonder about. Demonizing ex-players or guys they are jettisoning is what teams do to mollify their fan base. Fans buy it.
but the team isn’t doing this. You and the other bloggers talking about it are. The TEAM, it’s management and it’s coaches HAVE NOT released any statement saying the things attributed to them by beat reporters who sight “sources”. Their source could be “Randy from Finsmobunleashed”
wyoming85 says:
March 13, 2018 at 1:02 pm
Don’t worry my next 547 drafts will have a kicker in the 7th! 😉
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LOL I mocked Caleb Sturgis to the Dolphins in the correct round and everything. I am done mocking kickers!
I agree
https://twitter.com/JerseyFinFan/status/973601092633317376
Dilly Dilly!
Me too – Randy doesn’t, I’ll speak for him, because I know what his grouchy ass will say. lol
Randy – It’s very common for teammates to tweet congratulations when a teammate leaves and gets a new deal somewhere else. I don’t believe Landry got one from any of his Dolphins teammates. Think that means something?
Oh, MikeE…..Speculation on speculation? Is that like a forth wall break inside a forth wall break??
This is silly speculation at best, but Randy doesn’t know that!
Mando – It’s Walt Aikens! C’mon bro!
Rock,
Not true. There were any number of “reports” that Ajayi was a malcontent. Where did that information come from? Now, if you wanna say that we should just ignore any “report” put out there, I can get on board with that. But, are you so naive as to think that teams don’t know how to get information into the media without making actual quotes? Why do you think reports constantly use “sources” for the information they put out? It’s usually stuff they are told by a team official but not something that person actually wants attributed to them….but they do want some narrative or information put out there.
MikeE,
I’m not sure what you I will be grumpy about. I have been saying our player talent has been below average or barely average for years! I also think the word “rebuild” is just a word. What does it mean? Teams should try to win every year, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t rebuilding the roster to some extent. I just have a hard time reconciling getting rid of your two best offensive players and your top defensive player and think that everything is just status quo. This team had very little high end talent to begin with, and they just got rid of most of it this last year. Just my opinion, but it doesn’t mean they are rebuilding.
That talent wasn’t making enough of an impact though. You have to admit, when we signed Suh, you thought the defense would be better, and it wasn’t. Despite all of Landry’s catches and even 9 TD’s this season, we weren’t better. It doesn’t matter to me what term anyone uses as far as what we’re doing to the roster, it’s not finished yet, so I’m not going to get upset until I see the finished product, and then see how the finished product plays.
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MikeE,
I know nothing about tweets and what players do with them. All I know is that when reporters asked players about issues in the locker room and the team letting guys go players said they were shocked to hear it. I’m not giving direct quotes because I don’t remember. But, as always, i’m perfectly fine with folks not believing a word anybody on the team says! Lol
Sometimes it’s not what they say, but what they don’t say. Most teammates aren’t going to call out another teammate, but the fact that not one of them went out and congratulated him makes you wonder how well liked he really is.
MikeE,
That’s fine. We all have our opinions. As I said in my first rant, it’s been more a cumulative thing for me. I have never liked how Tbaum does things, and he’s done nothing to change my thinking thus far.
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Back to work. Have a good one.
I’ve never been a huge T-Bomb fan either, mostly the opposite. Still, I’m not going to condemn him for his past mistakes and just assume everything he does is wrong, I’m willing to wait and see.
Nice piece by Jason Lieser. Guess it is a hit back on the culture articles yesterday. Agree with him mostly, but also thinks he puts too much on what Gase has said in press conferences.
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Miami Dolphins’ Landry, Suh, Timmons moves about cost, not culture
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/03/13/miami-dolphins-landry-suh-timmons-moves-about-cost-not-culture/
Walt Aikens is a core STs player and emergency DB. Glad he’s back.
So we did sign Albert Wilson? He ran a 4.43 at the combine in 2014 so he gives us more speed in the slot.
Read the comments for a good time?
Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero 4h4 hours ago
Miami Dolphins showing interest in TE Ed Dickson, per @flasportsbuzz. Who catches TD passes in the red zone?
Stopgap TE who can block and catch a few passes here and there.
As long as he’s exactly that, a depth TE because we drafted a superstar TE that’s going to wreak havoc on the NFL
I read last week he is known to be a good blocker. ATL is also interested in him.
I forgot the WTF?????????
Get out!
Maybe we want to be able to attack teams with smaller quick pests like NE does to everyone.
Maybe, but we better get the Gronk part of that equation, and maybe Bill Belichick too
Yeah we have to draft one for sure and they should be available to us.
Oh and if you think the comments were funny on the other tweet your going to love this one!
So Bradford is going to ARZ. As long as he doesn’t get hurt he should do well there.
BIG if – He’s played 80 games out of a possible 128. Odds are against him
Carroo’s head must be spinning!
Well he needs to step it up and earn some playing time in the rotation on the outside. We have our little gnats inside now. Wilson and Grant can also stretch the field.
Amendola? Are you fucking kidding me?
Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero 3m3 minutes ago
I can confirm Dolphins will be signing WR Danny Amendola.
LOL – Hulk sound angry! Amendola looked great last season, especially at crunch time during the playoffs and in the SB
We signed aWR who is even slower than Landry
Wilson is much faster though. Amendola is sneaky fast. Come on, you’ve seen his game. He finds ways to get open. I doubt he’ll have big numbers with us, more leadership in the WR rotation.
Wilson maybe fast but he is nothing special at WR. Amendola is Landry lite. If Landry played with Brady he would have ridiculous numbers
Ken, Wilson will be a role player in our WR rotation and gives us another element of speed.
Yeah he did. Besides his own production he could help with the young WRs.