I agree McKinney will end up being either another OL or Swift … although there still seems to be quite a few OL coming up soon in rankings of what is left
It’s just preference when you get deep into the first and that will probably continue into the 2nd
It’s possible there might be good prospects into the third that could have went in the first, just bc if team needs and the way most of the talent is similar
Tim that is quite true.. they still refer to us as pitiful defence… even if we don’t add any D in draft we are much more talented than last year already. Nevermind the injured guys that were not on field at years end
Mike, all the pundits do is talk about how we got rid of players and we need a QB and OL and other playmakers because we cleaned house – no mention of what we did in FA. They spend 2 minutes on that while they lap the taint of Brady and Gronk to the point nobody spends that much time on the taint. LOL
I listen to NFL radio and I never hear them talking about us. I try and watch GMFB and other shows on NFL network and I usually catch good stuff on us there. Where are you seeing this negative stuff? ESPN?
Zoom video ? I think would have lasted longer … insults , smart ass remarks , 6 people trying to louder than each other ??? You thought this was a shit show ?? 😀
Wasn’t too bad. Y’all did good. Still faster than actual draft
Tim – You had to bring up GC? Now I can’t stop saying it. BTW I was actually laughing pretty loud when I first saw it. I was afraid I was going to wake up my wife.
Mike, it’s not negative about us. It’s saying whoa Miami has so many picks, what are the possibilities? Then focusing on only QB and a dash of OL. Back in the day coverage in the draft was more in-depth. Now it’s more reality TV. I get it, just disappointed. We do our own research, but the networks give it to us like commercials.
I guess they cover who they think people want to see. We start winning they’ll talk about us more. I do think we need to earn that, we won 5 games last season, and even though we’re on an upswing, it’s still just 5 wins. Win 10 games we’ll be taken more seriously
This draft for me really isn’t about getting 2 great players, it’s about getting a QB, if possible, then 4 or 5 quality potential starters. QB, 2 OTs, S, RB, G/C, and a run stuffing DT in the 5th. As a bonus I like Breeland in the 4th, haven’t looked at any other TEs.
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I’m going smoke screen on the trade up to #3 for an OT, because it accomplishes 2 things, if other teams buy it. First, if L.A. is interested in a QB and want to jump us, it gives them some hesitance of do we really need to move up to get our guy. Second, anyone else looking to move up knows they can’t touch what we have to offer, if we really want to move up.
Us showing interest in moving up would also create a bidding war, and who wants that on a move up?
Im against drafting a short qb who was on an allstar team with weapons all around him. And injury prone. A im really against moving up wasting draft picks to get this guy
If we draft Tua Flores will start him mid season, if he gets hammered by no fault of his own and loses games, the majority here will be moving up next year to get another qb.
Just like they are doing with Rosen.
Or they’re admitting they’re not comfortable with the current QBs. Taking the same approach every time diminishes what you write, positive or negative.
Carrying 3 qbs on the roster is a mistake. Drafting Tua devalues Rosen
So you probably wont be able to trade him you would have to give up a roster spot and carry 3qbs
There is no such thing as a reach, there is when you make your selection based upon the intel you have. If they feel like they want him and he wont make it to 26 then you take him. Josh Jones isnt a reach at 18, not with how the draft fell.
Not a reach. The team selected Jim when they felt like they needed to. Also, when can you call it a reach? In hindsight so was it a reach, you won’t know until several years down the road
The true logic test is you put a true 7th rounder in, in place of your pick, now is that a reach? Or so it’s clear, if you draft the guy rated #100 in punt average and you draft him in the 1st, is that a reach?
I can’t understand trading up to 3, losing our 5, and picking a tackle. The scenario floated yesterday where we trade up, keep our 5, and pick our OT and QB makes a lot of sense, but losing our 5 and another of our 1sts to pick a OT…I think that will be one of the very few scenarios that I would be disappointed with.
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The true logic test is you put a true 7th rounder in, in place of your pick, now is that a reach? Or so it’s clear, if you draft the guy rated #100 in punt average and you draft him in the 1st, is that a reach?
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No thats fucking stupid 🙂
My point is “reach” is subjective, and its subjective based upon the observation from an external person to the selection made internally. So if your opinion is its a reach, doesnt mean its so, it means you feel it is, but the people who have the information, and know their board may not see it as one, and liekly are much better at making that determination than you. They are throwing fucking darts at a board, they know what player they want and when they feel is the right time to select him, therefore nothing they do is a reach, it was done with the decision that, that was necessary.
The only way to truly determine if a pick was a reach would be to know where every other team had that player on their board. Even taking that into consideration, if we have a player higher on our board than other teams, it may still be perceived as a reach but not by the people making the pick. Totally subjective. I think back to where the Giants had the #6 and #17 picks in last years draft. Everyone thought they were crazy that they took Jones at#6, he would definitely have been there at #17 but no one knows that. I think the Giants did the right thing there
D,
You missed my point on Mario williams, although to be fair I didn’t give you much to work with, lol. I was agreeing with you. Everyone bashed the Texans for going williams #1 overall, but years later it proved to be the right choice. At the time, he was a reach, but you really can’t judge picks until years later.
I guess mike can oink or himself
But I’m in agreement in terms of the first round in that I don’t want to take a center bc of our signings and dieter
But I do think a guy like cushenberry or biadasz makes a lot of sense In Day 2
I think the thing about drafting a center is you can move the center or even Karras at guard and cover yourself if dieter doesn’t come around or flowers flops
Also – generally the idea of us8ng a lot of these picks to build a dominant OL is appealing to me
I wouldn’t cry about center in the first
I worry that Ruiz is a little overrated and not much better than the other two I mentioned
In fact, with the exception of his injury concerns, I think Biadasz is still the best center
He’s just getting pushed back bc he played with injury this year and people are concerned about his injury
Yeah, in retrospect that was the consensus. But at the time, they were bashed mercilessly. In my mind it is always the Prime example of why teams should ignore outside noise saying ‘this guy is a reach, or that guy is a reach ‘ and just stick to their evaluation.
Some GMs have publicly said all the mocks and rankings that people have out our there have been more wrong than usual
And that most boards deviate a lot from the rankings
You can really see that when you get past the top 15 or so
Some of the guys in the 2nd or 3rd round that get picked tomorrow may have had a shot at being top 20 picks
The draft is unpredictable than ever this year
You add the Tua ambiguity to it and all the smoke being blown up our asses by FO (like our own) and this is the wildcard of all wildcard drafts
I can’t say that any criticism of the players we may select are really justified – this draft is a little more fluid than most
On the other hand if we trade up to 3 by giving up the 5 to take an OT, I don’t get that at all
I hope that is bs
For some GMs to say the mocks are wrong is the smokescreen. They only know what their team is going to do, so by saying the mocks are wrong may just mean someone has revealed what they’re going to do and they’re trying to play it off.
We should all be reminded of how much bs the phrase “reach” really is
Remember the controversy about how could the Texans take Williams over Bush
Reggie Bush would probably be a 2nd rounder if he was a prospect today
The value of that position has changed so much
Bush’s best year with the team that drafted him was his rookie year and that was only bc he had a lot of receiving yards, he actually never rushed for over 600 yards with the saints. They weren’t luck he fell into their lap bc of the Texans “dumb” move as was stated when it happened
And that was just 14 years ago
It wasn’t like there was no internet or advanced scouting
There will be p,Ayers drafted over the next 3 days that may play 14 years
Ranking prospects is not a science
In fact people are saying less so than ever this year
I’m gonna ask this for your consideration.
Do you think Isaiah Simmons (A tweener S/LB) will be a better defender than Josh Jones will be at LT over their career?
If ;your answers no! Then why would one go at #3 and one be a reach at #18?
ocalarob says:
April 23, 2020 at 12:17 pm (Edit)
Why would we trade up to 3 for an offensive tackle when there are 4 of them ranked pretty high you would be sure to get 1 of them
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ocalarob says:
April 23, 2020 at 12:19 pm (Edit)
We could actually trade back a couple of spots in still come away with a very good tackle
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It makes no sense when you can sit at 5 and probably get the 2nd best one who might be 1 on your board anyway
So who is the best OT this year
🤷♂️
So trading up for 5 for one makes little sense
On the other hand trading up to 3 and keeping the 5
Or trading up from 18 to get close to top 10
For something involving an OT
It doesn’t make sense to me, you would probably have to give up or next 4 draft picks to do that #18, #26, & both 2nd rnders. Griers MO has been to acquire picks not give them away.
Ruiz will go 1st RD, I’m willing to bet on that. Second of all, Karras started one season, and that was on the Patriots. No holding calls last year, but this year? He’s on a one year contract. Ruiz is the best center in this draft, go get him for the next 8-10 years. I’d like to take Ruiz with the 253rd pick but fuck guys, he won’t be there! I’m willing to bet he’s gone in RD1. Who wants the action?
Yep, and it wasn’t just Bush that was valued over Williams. Most pundits and fans thought the Texans might take Vince Young (if not Bush) since he was a ‘home town’ boy. I still remember all the talking heads shock when the Williams pick was made. This also kind of leads back to our conversation yesterday too. Gms and talent evaluators shouldn’t be swayed by the outside voices, and if they are, they are doomed to fail. They need to stick to and trust their evaluations.
I look at it like this: If you have a guy projected to be a 5th rd pick, but you think he is a top ten talent ( I know this is extreme), and you take him at #8 overall and he goes on to have a HOF career. Was it a reach?
Talent-wise it wasn’t a reach, so no on that front. Then to address the idea of “well, he would have been there in the 5th rd, why not take him in the 4th?”
OK, but what if another team also realizes he is a top talent, and they also decide to ‘reach’ to get him and you miss out on the player?
It’s a bunch of noise, and I genuinely think most GMs and FOs pay a lot less attention to us and the pundits than we realize. We’re not nearly as important as we think we are, lol.
If the team has that player valued at a certain spot, that is the spot they have him valued at.
What you are saying is a reach is only in the minds of fans and talking heads. The idea of a ‘reach’ is meaningless. It’s just a noise contained in an exhalation of hot air. How the player ends up is exactly what matters, not what we think of when he was taken, lol.
This is a preemptive strike by the anit-reachers against the reachers. Tonight, when the Dolphins pick someone much sooner than expected by most pundits boards, we’ll be ahead of the game by already having had this whole conversation….
Ok, now the real world: The truth is, Rich, you’ll get to enjoy this exact conversation in an instant replay, hashed, rehashed, and done all over again in just 12 short hours!!! LMAO
Steve – You’ll never know whether another team may have been interested because they’re not going to come out and tell you. Just because a whole lot of evaluators projected that player to go at pick number 70, that doesn’t mean you wait until then. You get him where YOU have him on your board. End of story. The rest is just sensationalism by pundits, fans etc.
Stanger you’ve been killin’ me lately, you’ll say something and out of the blue I’ll change my mind on what I want. I’ve been firm on no trade ups in the first, but now suddenly I’m ok with 2 picks in the first, trading up, even though you mentioned trading back, that I’ve been ok with.
You did get was including myself in the lesser minds category? Seemed calling us both great minded would be a bit arrogant. Even if we both know it is true. 🙂
Steve the problem isnt Mike “splainin it” like its a real thing, its that some are talking about it like it is a real thing. No overly confidant use of the word and there would be no need to splain it.
I would argue that at #5 a little room on that unless you want a QB. Both #18 and #26 are wide open for a trade down unless they have their eye on a particular guy.
I had, as a fucking joke lol, suggested that when we were all saying trade back with Raiders for 12 and 19 and i said and then trade up to three with 12 and 18 and maybe 39 if needed, move to three trade 3 and 5 to 1 and then have 1 and 26 or trade back with the raiders again from 3 and get our 5 and 18 and 39 back and be back to where we started plu an extra first lol I mean you could go on and on with dumbass possibilities. I bet if i took the time on it i could find a way to get us half the first round.
That’s not realistic, I doubt you will have any kind of trade back from #5 until you are on the clock to see who’s available, so treating out of #5 to get the raiders picks and then coming back to #1 is a very long reach!
All this anticipation, the waiting, the draft will start. First selection. Cincy has traded the #1 pick to the Dolphins for all 3 of their firsts and both their 2nds. And we Dolphins fans have nothing more to look forward to until late Friday, lol.
A reach occurs when a team goes away from their board and where they have guys slotted. If you have a guy valued as a second round guy and you pick him in the first, that’s a reach. It doesn’t mean the dude won’t end up being a good player, but you still reached based on where you had him slotted. How fans or media evaluate a player has nothing to do with it. But, a team can reach based on their own evaluation. It doesn’t mean it’s wrong or a bad idea, but it’s still a reach.
Of course, the next time a team comes out and says, “yeah, we liked this guy in the 4th but accidentally took him in rd 2” then you’ll have been proven indisputably correct. 😉
Thats my problem with your statement as well Randy, how do you know they did that? The reach as it was being used on here was based purely on other peoples opinion of where they should draft a guy. How do we know that Josh Jones is a reach at 18, do you know where they have him slotted?
That depends on how our coaches and FO feel about Rosen. I’m actually fine with that if they feel he has it. I just haven’t seen enough yet to make me feel that he does, but boy, we can really build a team with these picks.
Yeah i mean who wouldnt want a return on that investment, id like him to have his shot, but from all that i have seen, that ship has sailed. We will know in a few hours what that decision is, and like i said im just as happy with you being right on that. Id like to see him turn it around.
From all you seen? He is only played a couple of games, and in those games we had an overwhelming under talented offense of line and running game! Nobody has seen enough of Rosen to make that determination.
Exactly. So thats what im saying. We can judge a trade up as bad, because 1 we dont know who he is trading up for and why. If he trades up to 3 and takes an OT i can tell you with most likelihood its for an OT because they leapfrogged NYG to get the top one. That means either they are fairly sure NYG wont turn around and trade the Chargers pick 4 so they take Tua, or they dont care if they get Tua or Herbert. Which whatever OT was picked at 3 might well let us know which QB they want.
Answer this: What QB in today’s draft would have beat out Fitz last year and how would they have fared under the same situation Rosen found himself in?
So based on , this still have a good shot at Ruiz.
I think Ruiz is gone late 1st RD by us, unless someone takes him first
Don’t expect clubs to be clamoring for y’all gm resume
Your phone will definitely be flooded with calls tho
Oh yeah no doubt
You’re just mad we didn’t get Ruggs
We could easily enough moving to 13, this showed me that
We needed up with Tua, Jones and McKinney
Which is pretty much what a lot of people have been mocking for weeks to us
Once you get past the top 15 of this draft – it’s a crap shoot
I think we might be surprised at some of the names called
I agree McKinney will end up being either another OL or Swift … although there still seems to be quite a few OL coming up soon in rankings of what is left
Delpit
Gross-matos
Winfield
Higgins
Jackson
Taylor
Available
I actually think all those guys might be 2nd rounders
There just not that good
The dofferecd between the 20th ranked prospect and the 50th ranked prospect in this draft is nominal
Swift and Delpit are both almost certainly 1st RD picks, we kinda missed on those 2 guys.
I seriously thought about Higgins at 26
I don’t think it’s crazy to take a WR at 26
All the safeties, OL, RB and DL at that time might be as good as the guys deep in day 2
Tee-Hee
It would be a lot more fun if the NFL promoted the entire league not the same 5-6 teams and stories over and over. It’s really fuckin lame.
Well at least this year we will be a major part of the storyline
They talk about us like we did nothing in FA and all we did was trade Minkah and Tunsil. It’s amateur tabloid shit.
Seriously, still? I was watching GMFB on NFL and they talked about us a LOT
Thanks for allowing me to play along. Was fun .. frustrating at times but still fun
I’m going to say, a Zoom video conference would have had this done in less than an hour
True
Once you get passed those 4 OT, the top 3 WR, and guys like Chaisson and Kinlaw – it feels like the guy you grab at 18 will probably be there at 26
It’s just preference when you get deep into the first and that will probably continue into the 2nd
It’s possible there might be good prospects into the third that could have went in the first, just bc if team needs and the way most of the talent is similar
Tomorrow we do The Who you want/who we take thing
Burrow/Tua
Chaisson/Jones
Swift/ McKinney
For example – not my real one
Yeah man, sounds good
Grandma Cunt/D’Andre Swift
I missed that
Tim that is quite true.. they still refer to us as pitiful defence… even if we don’t add any D in draft we are much more talented than last year already. Nevermind the injured guys that were not on field at years end
Mike, all the pundits do is talk about how we got rid of players and we need a QB and OL and other playmakers because we cleaned house – no mention of what we did in FA. They spend 2 minutes on that while they lap the taint of Brady and Gronk to the point nobody spends that much time on the taint. LOL
I listen to NFL radio and I never hear them talking about us. I try and watch GMFB and other shows on NFL network and I usually catch good stuff on us there. Where are you seeing this negative stuff? ESPN?
Zoom video ? I think would have lasted longer … insults , smart ass remarks , 6 people trying to louder than each other ??? You thought this was a shit show ?? 😀
Wasn’t too bad. Y’all did good. Still faster than actual draft
Too much typing, and I type slower than Grandma Cunt, so . . .
Lol.
Also true
Tim – You had to bring up GC? Now I can’t stop saying it. BTW I was actually laughing pretty loud when I first saw it. I was afraid I was going to wake up my wife.
Dana: Mike E what ya laffing at hunney??
Mike E : Grandma Cunt dear go back to sleep
LOL
I ordered this years draft hat
It looked pretty bad ass
LOL @ Toba!
I hope next season we change our unis full time to the throwbacks. Get rid of these pussy colors we have now
We’re due for a change, don’t you think?
Would love to see that , especially the actual Helmeted Dolphin
K that did not sound right ….
Mike, it’s not negative about us. It’s saying whoa Miami has so many picks, what are the possibilities? Then focusing on only QB and a dash of OL. Back in the day coverage in the draft was more in-depth. Now it’s more reality TV. I get it, just disappointed. We do our own research, but the networks give it to us like commercials.
OK, I hear ya – I would hope during the draft the coverage will be more extensive
If we draft Tua we’ll be a major story. Other than that it will be meh!
That’s so silly, but I understand what you’re saying.
Mike, it’s not even about us – Phins fans. The NFL networks cover like 6-7 teams and the rest are like “oh… are they there too?” LOL
I guess they cover who they think people want to see. We start winning they’ll talk about us more. I do think we need to earn that, we won 5 games last season, and even though we’re on an upswing, it’s still just 5 wins. Win 10 games we’ll be taken more seriously
In your dreams tonight will be Alexander the Great and his man bro are back in the saddle. LOL
Anybody buying the move up to 3?
Excited for tomorrow. I’ll dvr one of the shitty stations…..then check in here and see if the sky is falling or super bowl bound. Lol
Yeah I think we might move up
I’m not buying we do it for an OT
But I think we might move up to 3
I don’t really want to
It I won’t burn my apt down if we do it
We are super bowl bound anyway…lol
LOL
It would not shock me because it’s so easy for us to do.
I dont think they move up for QB….
Its going to be fun……hopefully
LOL, that was a fun read. Thanks, guys.
Tonight it gets real. Looking forward to it. 🙂
Pig & Mike E
Really I go to sleep and find out you Fornicators picked an Alabama DB?????????
WTF
Wasn’t my choice
Man do spreading shit
Remember they said we might have a shot at Burrow if we got to 3. We’ll see.
A Burrow!

We might have a shot at “A” Burrow!
Tuaday is the day!!!!!!!!
Both Mando and Omar are saying we are moving up to take an OT
From 18 to 12??
I’m all in on that!
This draft for me really isn’t about getting 2 great players, it’s about getting a QB, if possible, then 4 or 5 quality potential starters. QB, 2 OTs, S, RB, G/C, and a run stuffing DT in the 5th. As a bonus I like Breeland in the 4th, haven’t looked at any other TEs.
If we get quality players at these spots, I believe we’ll have very good shot at the playoffs, poor QB play or injuries could derail this though.
Playoffs? We already know who our qb will be. If they draft tua he will be holding a clipboard .
There may be a lot of disappointed Dolphins fans tonight.
I think that is the only certainty tonight.
I’ll be happy with a Safety, NT/DT, and OL help by the end of day 2.
Could be?????????????
Supplemental draft?
If there’s no college season why not, but that’s not happening without there being no NFL season.
I’m going smoke screen on the trade up to #3 for an OT, because it accomplishes 2 things, if other teams buy it. First, if L.A. is interested in a QB and want to jump us, it gives them some hesitance of do we really need to move up to get our guy. Second, anyone else looking to move up knows they can’t touch what we have to offer, if we really want to move up.
Us showing interest in moving up would also create a bidding war, and who wants that on a move up?
Im against drafting a short qb who was on an allstar team with weapons all around him. And injury prone. A im really against moving up wasting draft picks to get this guy
If we draft Tua Flores will start him mid season, if he gets hammered by no fault of his own and loses games, the majority here will be moving up next year to get another qb.
Just like they are doing with Rosen.
If Grier and Flores take Tua with the first pick they are admitting they made a mistake last year.
Or they’re admitting they’re not comfortable with the current QBs. Taking the same approach every time diminishes what you write, positive or negative.
Completely disagree.
Josh Jones is a reach at 18
I agree.
Of course, but he has great potential worth the risk, and why I mocked McKinney to us at 18. Also he’s even more of a reach, if we draft Tua.
Yes he is
That is what so many people want to trade up from18 to get an OT
But he is the 5th best OT
First thing I’ve read from Count Chocula that I agree with in a long time.
He’s basically a self-caricature of himself. I just can’t do it anymore.
Forgive the redundancy- and the repeating of myself.
Carrying 3 qbs on the roster is a mistake. Drafting Tua devalues Rosen
So you probably wont be able to trade him you would have to give up a roster spot and carry 3qbs
What about the LT from USC? isnt he better than jones?
He’s young (20) so he has big upside
But he sometimes get dominated on tape
They are actually similar prospects
Who I want/who we take
Burrow/Tua
Ruggs/Ruggs
Swift/Swift
I know no OT but this would be a hell of an arsenal to go forward with. I’m sure we get an OT in there despite my picks.
Tua/Tua
Wirfs/Jones
Jones/McKinney
I actually think we may have nailed our mock on the Dolphins last night
There is no such thing as a reach, there is when you make your selection based upon the intel you have. If they feel like they want him and he wont make it to 26 then you take him. Josh Jones isnt a reach at 18, not with how the draft fell.
Mario Williams comes to mind.
Not a reach. The team selected Jim when they felt like they needed to. Also, when can you call it a reach? In hindsight so was it a reach, you won’t know until several years down the road
The true logic test is you put a true 7th rounder in, in place of your pick, now is that a reach? Or so it’s clear, if you draft the guy rated #100 in punt average and you draft him in the 1st, is that a reach?
I’m pretty sure Miami is trading up to 2 and drafting a kicker.
I can’t understand trading up to 3, losing our 5, and picking a tackle. The scenario floated yesterday where we trade up, keep our 5, and pick our OT and QB makes a lot of sense, but losing our 5 and another of our 1sts to pick a OT…I think that will be one of the very few scenarios that I would be disappointed with.
What an empty headed imbecile
Simmons/Simmons
Becton/Becton
McKinney/ McKinney
Lol I just saw a kid with friggin spinners on his bicycle. WTF.
So today we Tag ourselves to Manti Tu’a. I hope the kid makes it, but I am extremely leery.
steveccnv says:
April 23, 2020 at 11:24 am
The true logic test is you put a true 7th rounder in, in place of your pick, now is that a reach? Or so it’s clear, if you draft the guy rated #100 in punt average and you draft him in the 1st, is that a reach?
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No thats fucking stupid 🙂
That’s the point
My point is “reach” is subjective, and its subjective based upon the observation from an external person to the selection made internally. So if your opinion is its a reach, doesnt mean its so, it means you feel it is, but the people who have the information, and know their board may not see it as one, and liekly are much better at making that determination than you. They are throwing fucking darts at a board, they know what player they want and when they feel is the right time to select him, therefore nothing they do is a reach, it was done with the decision that, that was necessary.
Works both ways. Stating there is no such thing as a reach, is an opinion.
The only way to truly determine if a pick was a reach would be to know where every other team had that player on their board. Even taking that into consideration, if we have a player higher on our board than other teams, it may still be perceived as a reach but not by the people making the pick. Totally subjective. I think back to where the Giants had the #6 and #17 picks in last years draft. Everyone thought they were crazy that they took Jones at#6, he would definitely have been there at #17 but no one knows that. I think the Giants did the right thing there
Whomever we draft, even if we draft Tua, we will come away with a great haul of players in this draft.
As long as we don’t away too many picks.
Give away
Tua/Tua
Chaisson/Jones
Ruiz/Ruiz
D,
You missed my point on Mario williams, although to be fair I didn’t give you much to work with, lol. I was agreeing with you. Everyone bashed the Texans for going williams #1 overall, but years later it proved to be the right choice. At the time, he was a reach, but you really can’t judge picks until years later.
Tua/Tua
McKinney/some OT Tua being left handed throws that off.
Jones/McKinney
Next year we do a zoom conference for the Mock Draft, it would have been done in about an hour. Would be more fun too
I’m not sure anything could be more entertaining than last night., Lol.
Works for me, just got off of a Zoom meeting.
It ain’t over ’til it’s over
The fat lady has sung and is planning her retirement
That was some avian pig singing in the shower that you heard.
The URL is a little misleading.
Fake news
The seems to be the same process that required joe philbin to take Ryan tannehill, Steven Ross needs to stay out of this deal.
mike why pick ruiz? didnt we just get karras& flowers wealso have dieter anddavis
Karras isn’t a long term option yet. I’d love to get Ruiz at our 1st 2nd.
These guys push oline up the board like they’re quarterbacks
I’m going to have OD drive over and RAP you on the head with his cane! 😉
I guess mike can oink or himself
But I’m in agreement in terms of the first round in that I don’t want to take a center bc of our signings and dieter
But I do think a guy like cushenberry or biadasz makes a lot of sense In Day 2
I think the thing about drafting a center is you can move the center or even Karras at guard and cover yourself if dieter doesn’t come around or flowers flops
Also – generally the idea of us8ng a lot of these picks to build a dominant OL is appealing to me
I wouldn’t cry about center in the first
I worry that Ruiz is a little overrated and not much better than the other two I mentioned
In fact, with the exception of his injury concerns, I think Biadasz is still the best center
He’s just getting pushed back bc he played with injury this year and people are concerned about his injury
cav the texans other choice would’ve been reggie’s bush, ithink they made the right pick
Yeah, in retrospect that was the consensus. But at the time, they were bashed mercilessly. In my mind it is always the Prime example of why teams should ignore outside noise saying ‘this guy is a reach, or that guy is a reach ‘ and just stick to their evaluation.
Some GMs have publicly said all the mocks and rankings that people have out our there have been more wrong than usual
And that most boards deviate a lot from the rankings
You can really see that when you get past the top 15 or so
Some of the guys in the 2nd or 3rd round that get picked tomorrow may have had a shot at being top 20 picks
The draft is unpredictable than ever this year
You add the Tua ambiguity to it and all the smoke being blown up our asses by FO (like our own) and this is the wildcard of all wildcard drafts
I can’t say that any criticism of the players we may select are really justified – this draft is a little more fluid than most
On the other hand if we trade up to 3 by giving up the 5 to take an OT, I don’t get that at all
I hope that is bs
Why would we trade up to 3 for an offensive tackle when there are 4 of them ranked pretty high you would be sure to get 1 of them
We could actually trade back a couple of spots in still come away with a very good tackle
Yah, I’m not buying that. Makes zero sense.
For some GMs to say the mocks are wrong is the smokescreen. They only know what their team is going to do, so by saying the mocks are wrong may just mean someone has revealed what they’re going to do and they’re trying to play it off.
If the player turns out some all=pro years and HOF consideration, then it doesn’t matter if some interweb pundit say’s reach or not!
Since the name Reggie Bush came up
We should all be reminded of how much bs the phrase “reach” really is
Remember the controversy about how could the Texans take Williams over Bush
Reggie Bush would probably be a 2nd rounder if he was a prospect today
The value of that position has changed so much
Bush’s best year with the team that drafted him was his rookie year and that was only bc he had a lot of receiving yards, he actually never rushed for over 600 yards with the saints. They weren’t luck he fell into their lap bc of the Texans “dumb” move as was stated when it happened
And that was just 14 years ago
It wasn’t like there was no internet or advanced scouting
There will be p,Ayers drafted over the next 3 days that may play 14 years
Ranking prospects is not a science
In fact people are saying less so than ever this year
Yeah it does, reach really just means you could’ve taken him later and gotten a better player, than you took with your next pick at this pick.
Doesn’t flores want to build from the back of the defense up, if that’s the case wouldn’t Simmons be the correct pick at #5?
Add to that neither Rosen or fits are chopped liver
I’m gonna ask this for your consideration.
Do you think Isaiah Simmons (A tweener S/LB) will be a better defender than Josh Jones will be at LT over their career?
If ;your answers no! Then why would one go at #3 and one be a reach at #18?
Because someone believes you could get the reach pick later.
I believe you cannot find an Isaiah Simmons talent routinely, there are a lot of josh Jones that can be had.
Then why don’t we have one?
ocalarob says:
April 23, 2020 at 12:17 pm (Edit)
Why would we trade up to 3 for an offensive tackle when there are 4 of them ranked pretty high you would be sure to get 1 of them
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ocalarob says:
April 23, 2020 at 12:19 pm (Edit)
We could actually trade back a couple of spots in still come away with a very good tackle
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It makes no sense when you can sit at 5 and probably get the 2nd best one who might be 1 on your board anyway
So who is the best OT this year
🤷♂️
So trading up for 5 for one makes little sense
On the other hand trading up to 3 and keeping the 5
Or trading up from 18 to get close to top 10
For something involving an OT
That makes a lot of sense to me
It doesn’t make sense to me, you would probably have to give up or next 4 draft picks to do that #18, #26, & both 2nd rnders. Griers MO has been to acquire picks not give them away.
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I’m with you on the priorities and when we draft guys
Makes sense to me to wait until the 2nd for a RB….maybe even the 3rd
But those guys at 1b will probably be all off the board by 18
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Ruiz will go 1st RD, I’m willing to bet on that. Second of all, Karras started one season, and that was on the Patriots. No holding calls last year, but this year? He’s on a one year contract. Ruiz is the best center in this draft, go get him for the next 8-10 years. I’d like to take Ruiz with the 253rd pick but fuck guys, he won’t be there! I’m willing to bet he’s gone in RD1. Who wants the action?
I agree on RUIZ
Had to get the names out there
in some sort of orderly fashion
OR my 2A would have had 20 guys on it,
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Somehow better. All the Tua/Herbert/Love hype and the OL evaluations
I must have missed that Isiah Simmons ran a 4.39 at the combine
That guy is amazing
2 names I see falling from their supposed draft value!
Isaiah Simmons
Mekhi Becton
For us to get either at a discount (meaning not #5)….. would probably mean trade up unless one is really jumping off a cliff.
I hope we don’t draft either one!
I don’t think either one will pan out!
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Who is this guy that said June 21st is the longest day of the year?
Ask for smoke screens I’ve read that Greer doesn’t play that game
LOFL
Piggy,
Yep, and it wasn’t just Bush that was valued over Williams. Most pundits and fans thought the Texans might take Vince Young (if not Bush) since he was a ‘home town’ boy. I still remember all the talking heads shock when the Williams pick was made. This also kind of leads back to our conversation yesterday too. Gms and talent evaluators shouldn’t be swayed by the outside voices, and if they are, they are doomed to fail. They need to stick to and trust their evaluations.
I look at it like this: If you have a guy projected to be a 5th rd pick, but you think he is a top ten talent ( I know this is extreme), and you take him at #8 overall and he goes on to have a HOF career. Was it a reach?
Talent-wise it wasn’t a reach, so no on that front. Then to address the idea of “well, he would have been there in the 5th rd, why not take him in the 4th?”
OK, but what if another team also realizes he is a top talent, and they also decide to ‘reach’ to get him and you miss out on the player?
It’s a bunch of noise, and I genuinely think most GMs and FOs pay a lot less attention to us and the pundits than we realize. We’re not nearly as important as we think we are, lol.
That is the motivation that makes GMs reach. How the guy ended up or how you portrait him doesn’t stop it from being a reach.
If the team has that player valued at a certain spot, that is the spot they have him valued at.
What you are saying is a reach is only in the minds of fans and talking heads. The idea of a ‘reach’ is meaningless. It’s just a noise contained in an exhalation of hot air. How the player ends up is exactly what matters, not what we think of when he was taken, lol.
OMG, I can’t believe how much fuss is being made over the word “reach”. People are only given their opinions on prospects.
I sometimes can’t stand all the bs that goes with the draft.🙄
THIS is the conversation you can’t believe? Are you new here? LOL
This is a preemptive strike by the anit-reachers against the reachers. Tonight, when the Dolphins pick someone much sooner than expected by most pundits boards, we’ll be ahead of the game by already having had this whole conversation….
Ok, now the real world: The truth is, Rich, you’ll get to enjoy this exact conversation in an instant replay, hashed, rehashed, and done all over again in just 12 short hours!!! LMAO
Steve – You’ll never know whether another team may have been interested because they’re not going to come out and tell you. Just because a whole lot of evaluators projected that player to go at pick number 70, that doesn’t mean you wait until then. You get him where YOU have him on your board. End of story. The rest is just sensationalism by pundits, fans etc.
Bingo
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No shit, reach is just a talking point.
LOFL at Mike splainin’ like reach is a factual thing🤔
And I’m guilty of yelling reach, but alas, I do fall into the fan category, so it’s warranted!
I hope we draft a OT, NT/DT, and safety in the 1st round. Have fun with that…
Frankly I just want to be able to scream “told you so” one way or another
And setting up the “no one really knows anything argument” gives me the best odds
As the great Mando once said, something will happen, or something won’t happen…
LOFL.
I’m going to stop using lol when someone says something more than vaguely funny, because it’s over played, so in its place LOF(n)L.
LMAO
Just curious . . . Would a trade up and then a reach at the trade up pick be called a reach around?
When Kraft makes the pick
We call that the “Jorden F&%kface” move! 😉
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Only if he has big hands
Would a trade uo and then a reach followed by the guy being an all pro be a reach around with a happy ending?
Nice! Well done
1992 and 28 years — that’s the last time the Phins took two players in the first round.
Was Troy Vincent (7) and Marco Coleman (12).
I’d actually be OK with taking just two tonight so long as it meant a 1st next year and another 2nd in this one.
That maybe a real possibility, gears history has been to move around in the draft in a choir pics.
I had thought Misi and Odrick were but looks like Misi was just a high 2nd.
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Duh
Knock that shit off Grier, if you wanted the #1 pick you should’ve tanked.
Stanger you’ve been killin’ me lately, you’ll say something and out of the blue I’ll change my mind on what I want. I’ve been firm on no trade ups in the first, but now suddenly I’m ok with 2 picks in the first, trading up, even though you mentioned trading back, that I’ve been ok with.
Guess a case of “leser minds thinking alike” 🙂
I guess I had that coming. In the past I’ve said why is it always great minds think alike…
You did get was including myself in the lesser minds category? Seemed calling us both great minded would be a bit arrogant. Even if we both know it is true. 🙂
Wasn’t Jeff lageman to the jets a reach?
Nope
How about Tim tebow?
Nope
How about tom Brady?
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Steve the problem isnt Mike “splainin it” like its a real thing, its that some are talking about it like it is a real thing. No overly confidant use of the word and there would be no need to splain it.
The U75s have cornered the reach market.
Is it a reach, if one of them writes a draft theory story, and it doesn’t come true?
You have to consider where the talent drops off and is more similar, why not trade back when that happens and get more for your buck.
They do, when thats how they see it, or at least they attempt to.
I would argue that at #5 a little room on that unless you want a QB. Both #18 and #26 are wide open for a trade down unless they have their eye on a particular guy.
Time seems to be slowing down?
Wait until 8pm, if you think time is slowing down now. I should have already been trying to park near Belagio.
Phelon,
I had, as a fucking joke lol, suggested that when we were all saying trade back with Raiders for 12 and 19 and i said and then trade up to three with 12 and 18 and maybe 39 if needed, move to three trade 3 and 5 to 1 and then have 1 and 26 or trade back with the raiders again from 3 and get our 5 and 18 and 39 back and be back to where we started plu an extra first lol I mean you could go on and on with dumbass possibilities. I bet if i took the time on it i could find a way to get us half the first round.
Prolly
Yeah, some have done it on mocks.
That’s not realistic, I doubt you will have any kind of trade back from #5 until you are on the clock to see who’s available, so treating out of #5 to get the raiders picks and then coming back to #1 is a very long reach!
As i said, it was a joke lol.
All this anticipation, the waiting, the draft will start. First selection. Cincy has traded the #1 pick to the Dolphins for all 3 of their firsts and both their 2nds. And we Dolphins fans have nothing more to look forward to until late Friday, lol.
I know some people will be happy with that. I think I’d be a little crushed and my voice would be really hoarse from screaming REACH! REACH! REACH!
LOL
I would become a Tampa bay buccaneers fan
D says:
April 23, 2020 at 1:25 pm
How much longer before i get to see my enemies crushed before me and hear their womanly lamentations? what 6 and a half hours?
You’ll see them driven before you in 6 1/2 hours
True i kinda messed that up lol
You got the idea across, so it worked. 🙂
Draft Day Is Here,,,,hoping TBPA at 5
So Tua Best Pick Available?
I favor LB Simmons or OT
Good to see you markeyh. And just a day late. You would have had fun with our mock last night.
Would have loved to been here….
A reach occurs when a team goes away from their board and where they have guys slotted. If you have a guy valued as a second round guy and you pick him in the first, that’s a reach. It doesn’t mean the dude won’t end up being a good player, but you still reached based on where you had him slotted. How fans or media evaluate a player has nothing to do with it. But, a team can reach based on their own evaluation. It doesn’t mean it’s wrong or a bad idea, but it’s still a reach.
OK, but how would anyone outside the organization know when that occurred?
I can adjust my opinion to agree with this.
Of course, the next time a team comes out and says, “yeah, we liked this guy in the 4th but accidentally took him in rd 2” then you’ll have been proven indisputably correct. 😉
I agree that is why if Miami grades any of these QB’s high then take him. if not take TBPA!
Thats my problem with your statement as well Randy, how do you know they did that? The reach as it was being used on here was based purely on other peoples opinion of where they should draft a guy. How do we know that Josh Jones is a reach at 18, do you know where they have him slotted?
I agree with D, reach is an English word. What do we know about English words? They have many meanings.
Randy’s point is one we hadn’t rendered yet, so…
I still feel Josh Rosen deserves a fair chance to compete against Fitz this year and next year we draft competition for Rosen
That depends on how our coaches and FO feel about Rosen. I’m actually fine with that if they feel he has it. I just haven’t seen enough yet to make me feel that he does, but boy, we can really build a team with these picks.
That is my point BUILD THE TEAM with these picks TBPA with every one!
So what if Tua is that person?
Yeah i mean who wouldnt want a return on that investment, id like him to have his shot, but from all that i have seen, that ship has sailed. We will know in a few hours what that decision is, and like i said im just as happy with you being right on that. Id like to see him turn it around.
From all you seen? He is only played a couple of games, and in those games we had an overwhelming under talented offense of line and running game! Nobody has seen enough of Rosen to make that determination.
I have Tua ranked 11th on my Big Board and Borrow 9th so the QB is not in my top 10 list
Ok but is your list theirs?
No, I can only say what I will do because no matter what you hear NOBODY knows what GM Chris Grier will do
Exactly. So thats what im saying. We can judge a trade up as bad, because 1 we dont know who he is trading up for and why. If he trades up to 3 and takes an OT i can tell you with most likelihood its for an OT because they leapfrogged NYG to get the top one. That means either they are fairly sure NYG wont turn around and trade the Chargers pick 4 so they take Tua, or they dont care if they get Tua or Herbert. Which whatever OT was picked at 3 might well let us know which QB they want.
Answer this: What QB in today’s draft would have beat out Fitz last year and how would they have fared under the same situation Rosen found himself in?