Will Tua Tagovailoa start in 2020? A look at the last 15 years of the 2nd QB taken tells a story

2019 – Daniel Jones RD1 #6 (Kyler Murray #1)

2018 – Sam Darnold RD1 #3 (Baker Mayfield #1)

2017 – Patrick Mahomes RD1 #10 (Mitchell Trubisky #2)

2016 – Carson Wentz RD1 #2 (Jared Goff #1)

2015 – Marcus Mariota RD1 #2 (Jameis Winston #1)

2014 – Johnny Manziel RD1 #22 (Blake Bortles #3)

2013 – Geno Smith RD2 #22 (E.J. Manuel #16)

2012 – Robert Griffin III #2 (Andrew Luck #1)

2011 – Jake Locker RD1 #8 (Cam Newton #1)

2010 – Tim Tebow RD1 #25 (Sam Bradford #1)

2009 – Mark Sanchez RD1 #5 (Matthew Stafford #1)

2008 – Joe Flacco RD1 #18 (Matt Ryan #3)

2007 – Brady Quinn RD1 #22 (Jamarcus Russell #1)

2006 – Matt Leinart RD#1 #10 (Vince Young #3)

2005 – Aaron Rodgers RD1 #24 (Alex Smith #1)


So that’s the list of the second QB drafted in each of the last 15 drafts. What’s sometimes more surprising than where they were taken is who was the QB drafted before them and where they were taken. Geno Smith as the second QB taken all the way at pick #54, and E.J. Manuel was the only 1st RD QB in 2013. Patrick Mahomes at #10 8 picks later than Mitch Trubisky eh? There were only 3 years where QB’s went #1 and #2, 2016, 2015 and 2012. Just so you know, I don’t believe this shows any more scientific evidence, but it’s interesting to look at the past, which sometimes reveals the future. I also understand that 15 years ago, the NFL was a different game than the 2020 version but the interesting thing is how much money these first round players were getting paid. We know it all changed after Sam Bradford was drafted #1 in 2010 and signed the most lucrative rookie contract ever in the NFL, 6 YR/$78M with $50M Guaranteed. Aaron Rodgers who slid to #24 in 2005 signed a 5 YR/$7.65M contract.

Let’s start from 2005 and we’ll work our way back to the present. Aaron Rodgers waited 3 full seasons before his 1st start with Brett Favre as the starter. Matt Leinart started after 5 games behind Kurt Warner and finished 4-7. Brady Quinn didn’t start until season 2 and started only 3 games behind Derek Anderson. Joe Flacco started immediately for a stacked Ravens team and went 11-5. Mark Sanchez started immediately for MTP and the Jets and finished 8-7. Tim Tebow started only 3 games but played a fair amount in 9 games although not necessarily as a passer. Jake Locker sat out his entire rookie season. RG III was damn well going to start after they traded a boatload of 1st RD picks for him and he was brilliant until he got injured. The only 2nd RD QB in this group, Geno Smith, started his entire rookie season but Matt Simms was their other QB (who?). Johnny Manziel started only 2 games and was just awful. Marcus Mariota started 12 games and played well but the Titans were pretty bad and they finished 3-9 in his starts. Carson Wentz started immediately and played well although the Iggles went 7-9. Patrick Mahomes started game 16 and won. He’s the guy I consider most similar with Tua. I’ll explain more later. Sam Darnold started 13 games, sat out the first 3 behind Josh McCown. Some may say this is the closest situation to Tua and Fitzpatrick and they might be right. Finally, Daniel Jones started after 4 games and played pretty well despite his 3-9 record.

Why do I think Tua/Fitzpatrick is most similar to Mahomes/Smith? I see 2 veteran QB’s who both have the respect of their HC. Fitzpatrick said it himself, he’ll help Tua in any way he can but Ryan Fitzpatrick wants to be the starting QB this season. Of course mitigating circumstances will no doubt affect how soon Tua starts and I’m not talking about Tua’s health, I’m talking the health of the nation and the Coronavirus pandemic. Having a virtual offseason is not doing Tua any favors. There are rumblings that teams may be able to start OTA’s in June but I fell that unless every single team and their respective states are able to open, that’s not going to happen. Cali is probably the linchpin because they are the least likely to be willing to open up and if they don’t, I don’t see any teams opening because you can’t have some teams working and others not, that takes away the whole parity theme the NFL is built on.

I’ve made it clear (w/o having any actual medical records for Tua) that I feel it would be best to let Ryan Fitzpatrick run this team and if there’s a point of the season where we’re out of it, and Tua is 100%, then I’m fine with giving him the reins, as long as the O-line isn’t a bunch of matadors. On the other hand, I really can’t imagine that he would start immediately, I think that would blow my mind. I want to see what Tua can do, I’m excited that we have arguably the most talented QB in this draft and the most talented QB we’ve had over the last 21 years since Dan Marino left the building. Still, I can’t help but feel that after that devastating hip injury, time will be Tua’s friend. We have so many new faces on our team and we could conceivably have 4-5 new starters on our O-line. Jackson LT, Flowers LG, Karras C, Hunt RG and Davis RT, that’s 4. Plug Kindley in at RG and Hunt at RT that’s 5. Think they might take some time to jell? I don’t want our new QB subjected to that kind of situation, no sir!

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, let em rip!



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  1. wyoming85 says:

  2. Rockphin says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 8, 2020 at 11:27 am

    He’s too far down the depth chart to have much of a chance, he’ll likely need injuries to get that chance.

    I like Ford, but he’s JAG, similar to Hurns.
    But that is why I picked him. You can’t be a “Sleeper” if you are expected to be a big contributor.

    He is down the depth chart as of last season. I feel he will (FEEL HE WILL) make the most of his chances this season and move up the chart.

  3. wyoming85 says:

    I would have to say

    Matt Breida – I think he could have a great season! Not sure how much of a sleeper he is though?

    Raekwon McMillan – I think with all the pass rushers added he may get more tackles?

  4. pheloniusphish says:

    All I have to say is that Pistachio is green. Algae is green. Anti-freeze is green. Baby shit is green. MARTIANS ARE GREEN!!

  5. Mike E. says:

    Pistachio Pig! LOL, you’re going all out on the pistachio. I like red bean as an alternative for the basic chocolate or vanilla

  6. Mike E. says:

    I’m going with good ole Bobby McCain as my sleeper. Everyone has him written off, I think he plays an important part of our defense this season

    • steveccnv says:

      I’ll counter that with Brandon Jones. It was painful watching Bobby play last year. He reminded me of the pretty sister that always came to ask, if she could help with the dishes, just as they were getting done.

  7. The Flying Pig says:

    When you hit the pistachio hard

  8. The Flying Pig says:

    Michael “Pistachio” Dieter is my sleeper

    Competition gives some guys new life

    • Rockphin says:

      I thought about him too, but then second guessed myself because although he started 15 of 16 last season he played poorly for the most part. I HOPE he does well and somehow rises to the competition to continue starting, but I can as easily see him moved on from.

  9. Rockphin says:

    wyoming85 says:
    June 8, 2020 at 11:43 am

    I would have to say

    Matt Breida – I think he could have a great season! Not sure how much of a sleeper he is though?

    I considered him as well, but passed because it seems like he is part of the “plan” so I don’t see him as a sleeper.

    • ocalarob says:

      1-2 punch, howard for the tough yards, breida the scat back, chan gailey will spread the d and should have an effective running game which will help in all facets of this team.
      a good run game makes everyone shine

  10. Rockphin says:

    Piggy, what the hell is Red Bean? The only place I’ve ever seen it is in Japanese Anime cartoons. Red Bean Buns are very popular in Anime for some reason. (like mentioned way more than you would expect for a snack to be mentioned in multiple different shows)

    • Rockphin says:

      ooops I meant this to Mike E not Piggy.

    • Mike E. says:

      It was me

      • Mike E. says:

        The color really varies though. Most often it’s grayish purple, which I think is pretty wild looking. I’d say it tastes a lot like vanilla, but it’s more fun to look at and the texture is different because of the beans.

      • D says:

        Its also different in the fact that it not only can make lactose intolerant people flatulent but regular folks too.

      • Rockphin says:

        Has Asian writing on it. Must be a Japanese thing. Like I said, I have only ever heard of red bean flavor on Anime cartoons. HUH, something new to try.

  11. D says:

    My sleeper is going to be Noah Igmahogany I think he is going to make an impact pretty much right off, which i dont think most people believe since they see him as our NCB/Slot CB. If im overruled by the left 🙂 then ill take Perry as my sleeper.

  12. D says:

    Chinese cultures use bean paste in a lot of their deserts. Some of the pastries filled with bean paste are delicious.

  13. ocalarob says:

    ive dumped some bean paste just this morn

  14. D says:

    Deiter needed help adjusting to the NFL, most OL coming out of college struggle a little with the speed of the game changes. With a better supporting cast he probably would have been a lot better and would have progressed a lot better, but he didnt have that so this is the year i look for progress and if he does he could be a good one, he is a prototype OG.

  15. Mike E. says:

    Rock – All the hibachi Japanese restaurants around here and probably all over offer red bean ice cream. It’s pretty good, and definitely cool to look at

  16. Rockphin says:

    Well, i am gonna try it. I will keep my eyes open for it on the menu the next time I go for Asian food. (I am not going to run out to see if my local Publics has it though. LOL)

    Last month I got sucked into an Anime fest on Netflix. (watched one and then all the suggestions were other Anime, and since I have almost finished Netflix I watched them) This one was all about a serial killer, but they mentioned Red Bean Buns like 100 times in the show so I became “aware” of a desert based upon beans, which is bizarre in our culture. I liked Garlic Ice Cream so I will give Red Bean a shot too.

    • Mike E. says:

      Don’t be disappointed if it tastes a lot like vanilla. 🙂

      • D says:

        I think you can taste the bean a little, but yeah its pretty much vanilla with a hint of earthiness to it and kind of “a bit nutty”

  17. CavalierKong says:

    We know the truth, Mike.
    You and and your pistachios – gangnam style…

    …Kong gives rich, bellowing liberal laugh…

    • CavalierKong says:

      Two doughty companions hunting down some ice cream

      • D says:

        There is a place near Knoxville TN called Tick Tock and its damn amazing icecream, their Coffee Icecream and Pistachio are something id fight over the last scoop of.

  18. CavalierKong says:

    I’m not much for coffee flavor, but I’d like to try some high end pistachio. I’ve got family NE of Knoxville, I might have to look that place up next time I’m back east.

  19. D says:

    Next time im out that way, im stopping by Asheville NC and seeing if i can catch a contact buzz sampling all the breweries they have around there. Really great beer there.One of my favorite brewries right now is called Wicked Weed, and its based there.

  20. D says:

    Piggy, are they defunding the police in NYC, i heard thats being proposed there, but i dont know if its a full defund like Minny or a cutback on the budgeting.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I doubt it

      But I’ve seen a few versions of what defunding means now…

      It wouldn’t surprise if they really cut their budget….it’s pretty bloated

  21. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike’s new home

  22. The Flying Pig says:

    Not gonna lie

    I love Whoopie Pies

    This looks amazing

  23. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      Well PFF, could you maybe elaborate a little on what that means?

      He’s 3rd in yards on one stat, then the other doesn’t use the same date range. I mean WTF?

      U75 at their finest🤔

      • steveccnv says:

        It’s like saying, there once was this BB player, he was one of the best scorers in the league, but his ability to elude defenders was poor.

        Then let me make up my own definition of elusive. And stats like these are available in our premium subscription package.

        Ok so what’s your point PFF?

  24. steveccnv says:

    Basically RB stats from another team are mostly useless, like scouting a college RB.

  25. steveccnv says:

    And then there’s the brilliant article from the Herald, 2011 lockout offers clues for how the Dolphins will…

    I’m really not putting much stock into what one of our previous coaches did 9 years ago.

  26. wyoming85 says:

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Tua might love his speed

    • steveccnv says:

      All I could think of watching that was oh fuck! Does he come out of the break fast or what?

      I was watching some highlights of a 2019 game recently, and on a 4th and 3, from the slot he ran a drag route and got the 1st down. He looked great on that play, mostly unstoppable.

      He should fit right into Chan’s O. He could be our Tyreek Hill. Wishful thinking, but the only thing that can stop him is himself or injuries.

  27. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      He’s been one of those guys that you watch play and say wow! He’s the best player on the field, even though his measurables don’t match up with other great players.

      He’s too small and slow, but his quickness and elusiveness make his game speed so much faster.

      He’ll be fun to watch in preseason.

  28. steveccnv says:

    I didn’t pay much attention to Rowe last year, but they said he played well, after the move to S, and got a 3 year contract extension.

    What do you guys think of him as an S?

    • Mike E. says:

      I liked Rowe. I thought he did play well when they finally moved him to safety. He seemed to be more confident there.

      • Mike E. says:

        He’s part of the reason why I didn’t understand why everyone thought we had such a huge need at the S position. Between Rowe and either McCain, Colbert, Fejedelem, Parker, Igbinoghene, Brandon Jones and Kevin Frazier, I think we’re pretty good at safety

      • Mike E. says:

        I also think McCain has a bounce back year

      • steveccnv says:

        I’d put Igbinoghene/Jones at FS and McCain at Nickel, then I think we’re strong on the back end, but I really don’t know much about the other 8 guys that can play FS. Flores doesn’t F around, he seems to be into depth galore all over the roster.

  29. wyoming85 says:

    From what I remember he played better at S.
    He was always trailing as a CB, so playing S with CB skills was a good move for him.

    • steveccnv says:

      Another thing Flores brings, move them around until they fit. Other coaches did it too, but his moves seem to work.

  30. steveccnv says:

    Another position we need someone to step up at is RG, yet again Flores has 8 guys that can play the position.

    Camp is going to be a dog fight.

    I expect to see guys like Kindley/Deiter if they don’t make it as a starter play in some unbalanced line packages, instead of having an extra TE on the field to block.

    With depth comes weird formations, sometimes, just to get these guys on the field.

  31. steveccnv says:

    Good SI article on why Dalvin Cook is probably a pipe dream. He’s asking for McCaffrey money at 16M, he’s missed 19 games in 3 years. Last year he played in 14 games, but seemed to wear down the last 8 weeks. They didn’t mention, if the schedule was tougher down the stretch or if he was game planned against…the typical stuff that makes stats mean what you want.

  32. stangerx says:

    Lets see if my new browser lets me past the rope in this place.

  33. stangerx says:

    Bingo — Chrome and Internet Explorer don’t like FU. Hope others aren’t having the same problem… and part of the problem is you can’t say you have a problem.

  34. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – I use chrome at work and it works fine

    • stangerx says:

      2 browser man now….. and Firefox is the 2nd. Can guarantee Chrome does not work for me.

      Weird part about it was just happened one night. And did to Rock as well. You guys talk to Twice and Herd about it?

      • Mike E. says:

        I have not. Only thing that makes sense is that there is WordPress compatibility all of a sudden. I’m able to use Chrome, Firefox and even Safari which is a Mac web browser. I know on my phone occasionally with chrome I have hiccups but I figure it might be an Android issue, not chrome.

      • stangerx says:

        Maybe I’m just using old version Chrome, but it is the most popular out there. Hope hasn’t bothered other folks who stop by.

  35. twicethethe says:

    Ok, so hearing there some technical difficulties…for starters, I temporarily removed to Fest Poll from the sidebar, as that’s the only real (externally pointing) change that’s happened to the site recently. So now that I’ve done that, for those of you having problems try the following (warning these steps will likely cause you to have to log back into ALL your sites you visit and lose ome locally cached info so do at own risk): 1. Clear your cache in Chrome (yes, one more time if already tried before). 2. If that doesn’t work explicitly clear your cookies in Chrome. If that’s too extreme for you, then there is a way to clear or reset cookies for only certain sites in Chrome (for example, finsmobunleashed.com) and leave the rest of your visited sites alone. Follow the steps under “2. How to Clear Cookies for a Site Automatically” at the following link: https://whatvwant.com/chrome-clear-cookies-for-one-site/

    Can’t guarantee any of that will work, but it’s a start. Of course the above will also require you to log in every time you have a new session to post any comments. One other thing to consider – if you keep a session/credentials open to a site for a *long* time, things can go stale and get wacky.So always a good idea to end the session and start a new one once in a while anyway. Let me know if any of that works.

    • stangerx says:

      Thanks Twice. I have things working now and not gonna mess. If it helps you trouble shoot…. rest the web worked just fine for me via Chrome except for here. And was using Chrome with a desk top…. as was Rock (who also downloaded Firefox). Internet Explorer was a no go for me as well.

      Also if it helps on figuring out — whole board is deconstructed before for me via Chrome. And the log ins for twitter, wordpress etc became HUGE. Filled up a screen each. Could have liv ed with it actually (could read posts)….. but no reply button.

      • Rockphin says:

        EXACTLY! I had the same issue on the USA Today dolphins page too. Like all “site formatting” was removed and only text and F’d up huge icons

  36. twicethethe says:

    And forgot to mention I haven’t been able to reproduce the issue on my stuff, but I usually connect in on a laptop not a phone so not sure if its only phone related or not.

  37. son of a son of a shula says:

    My problems were with my phone with Safari. I couldn’t and still can’t log in. Once I put Google Chrome on my phone I’ve stayed logged on. It’s beautiful.
    Maybe it is stale cookies, maybe WordPress made new cookies 🤷‍♂️

  38. The Flying Pig says:

    Thanks Twice
    Thanks Twice

  39. Rockphin says:

    I have no issues posting from Firefox or Safari on my phone. My only issue was from my office with Chrome. Certain sites, here and USA Today both appeared “broken” as Stanger describes perfectly above. I never have any issues with Firefox. Sometimes it makes me give a site special permissions, but it blocks most crap and shows all attacks, etc real time.

  40. twicethethe says:

    There could also be issues with certain Chrome plugins or ad blockers. Tricky to troubleshoot because there could be literally thousands of settings/plugins/blockers (local or on network) where any certain combo can wreak havoc, Sounds like the page isn’t fully loading (or timing out) for you guys having trouble. Could also be javascript being disabled or limited on client. But not sure exactly why. Technology can be like a masseuse massaging your neck, then suddenly turning and karate chopping you in the throat (that’s my day to day job in a nutshell and why I rarely have time to be on here unfortunately).

  41. ElephantRider says:

    I use my phone. Samsung 8. Idk what internet it is, I just use whatever it came with. I will have to hit the refresh a time or 2 in order to post sometimes, but that’s been happening for about a year. LOL

  42. Rockphin says:


    From USA Today. (I am interested if you chrome users can see the article ok. I can from Firefox, but not from chrome)

    • wyoming85 says:

      Ya it comes up.
      Shit ton of pop ups and embedded vid’s on that site!

    • bookman11 says:

      Yeah it comes up on my Iphone OK.

    • steveccnv says:

      It seems to be the logical choice. Cincinnati has very little chance, as does Jax, and LAC. The Redskins haven’t done much, Detroit or Carolina either.

      AZ seems to be the only other team that has done much in the offseason, but they have 2 tough teams at the top, and I believe need help on the back end of the D.

  43. wyoming85 says:

    What a fuckin shit show this whole thing has been!

    • wyoming85 says:

      I don’t remember who mentioned this the other day?
      But kudos to you!!!!!!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      So he used his police power to go after a personal vendetta while three other police officers watched?

      Yes it’s a shit show – it makes the Minneapolis PD look even worse

      FYI – the fact that they worked together has been out there for a few weeks
      It’s probably doesn’t change anyone’s mind

      • wyoming85 says:

        I new they had worked together. But had not seen any proof of relationship until now.

        Was not intended as a political statement as much as informational!!

      • steveccnv says:

        What it does introduce is murder one, at least the idea of it, which I’m all for in this instance.

        Candice Owens says black people are the only race that martyrs a criminal, and she’s not behind this fight. He has a long list of arrests, and the fact that he was part of a gang, that forced their way into a pregnant women’s home and robbed her while one guy held a gun to her.

        She also says, stats show black men are less likely to be killed by the police, than white men.

        We all know this charade is political, but I think the wrong fight is being fought. Black people are profiled by the police much more than white people, that’s what they should fight, but that message doesn’t come across as strong.

        LeBron again doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Or honestly it gives people even more reason to protest…

        I dont think it makes anyone’s reaction to the video a shot show or belittles what people are upset about

        I did a quick google search and CNN reported they worked together almost immediately afterwards. I know that probably stings, but try it. Google it.

        It’s incredible to me that some people spin this fact to mean that race isn’t an issue – but, like I said, this probably doesn’t change anyone’s mind and people desperately want to believ race doesn’t matter….so…

      • steveccnv says:

        Because one guy was black and one white doesn’t make it racial. Maybe it was I don’t know, but to say it was, what proof is there of that?

      • steveccnv says:

        From the little bit of evidence I’ve seen, Floyd was a repeat offender and Derek was a cop that didn’t like criminals, therefore you have natural enemies.

      • steveccnv says:

        I agree it gives people more reason to protest, and I think, if the media makes this common knowledge it will. That’s why the media is not your friend.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Honestly trying to say this nicely – Don’t quote Candace Owens on race. That’s just my suggestion. Don’t take anything she says on the subject seriously.

        It’s outrageous conduct by a police officer
        It’s outrageous conduct by multiple police officers
        It’s outrageous that he was on the police force after the prior complaint history
        It’s outrageous that this happens so much more often to minorities
        I think most reasonable minds agree with those four statements

        I don’t think those messages are hurt by attacking Floyd’s character the way Owens does

        The other rumor is that both Floyd and Chauvin were bouncers in the club and in constant conflict over a Chauvin excessive force – is that true? I don’t know…but the thing is, I don’t care. It doesn’t change the way I feel about it.

        That’s just me though

        It’s not like people are only talking about Floyd. I’ve heard Breonna Taylor mentioned a lot by protestors. She was sleeping when she was shot in her boyfriends bed by police after they entered his home by mistake.

      • steveccnv says:

        Again why use Floyd as the martyr, instead of someone that was really innocent? Because there’s a video and the the police officers actions were as everyone says outrageous.

        Can we all agree, we don’t need anymore protests, looting, rioting, and action needs to start immediately?

  44. steveccnv says:

    The message has been sent, the strong majority of the country wants police reform. More protests, riots, innocent people getting hurt isn’t going to further the cause.

    The country has the protestors attention. It’s time to get down to business and make changes.

  45. steveccnv says:

    Why not quote Candice Owens on race, because she leans to the wrong side?

    • steveccnv says:

      Because they use truth over facts😉

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Bc she’s full of shit and a grifter who is paid by Dennis Prager to say what Pragers audience wants to hear

      Your going to embarrass yourself if you quote Candace Owens to a black person

      Their are plenty of conservative voices of color to listen to that have a lot more credibility than her

      But if you insist on quoting her – you can pretend it’s just political

  46. ocalarob says:

    I doubt the protest is about Floyd, its about getting trump out of office. ive seen cnn reporters instigating riots as if its ok to rob and detroy pers property,

  47. ocalarob says:

    Hear some of these athletes comment on drew breezes comment is laughable, they are mad because drew brees said that he doesn’t want to disrespect the flag.

  48. ocalarob says:

    The flagged in do anything to Floyd, it’s just a way of getting attention, get over it

  49. ocalarob says:

    To sit here and listen how these athletes are appalled at drew breezes comments is very laughable, so we should all just disrespect the flag and to not do so is unreasonable? Is that what they’re getting at

  50. ocalarob says:

    They need to direct their attention and focus on the real problem and stop using the flag as a way to get attention,

  51. stangerx says:

    Please don’t trust One American News. That’s the same place that was saying the 75 year old who got pushed down and knocked cold in Buffalo was trying to somehow block police communications with his cell phone. And it’s like if true how could the pushing cops have known that? And if true after he got knocked cold the cops had all his stuff and did not let it out?

    But guess conspiracy theories are America’s new past time.

  52. ocalarob says:

    It’s unbelievable what the left will resort to to get trump out of office, iguess impeachment didnt work

  53. Mike E. says:

    I’m not on the left, but what I’m seeing today is really something. So we don’t think it’s racial because they knew each other. If you really think about it and you really believe Chauvin would have done that to a white guy, and that 3 other cops would have allowed that to happen, well, I don’t know . . .

    • Mike E. says:

      To add, it doesn’t even matter what we think, there is a racial problem in this country whether this particular incident was racial or not (it was!!!). If this is the platform that launches change then so be it. The change is necessary and that’s what’s important

    • ocalarob says:

      But what can you do about it? there are violent racist people out there do u think rioting will change theirmind

    • steveccnv says:

      There’s no proof either way, if race had anything to do with this, that I’ve heard. I wouldn’t be surprised either way. I just hate that everytime it’s a white man man doing something to a black man, its racist. I think that, because Floyd was high it may have contributed to how long Derek knelt on him.

  54. ocalarob says:

    I don’t watch OAN news it’s too biased, whatever happened to Walter Cronkite?

    • ocalarob says:

      And that’s the way it was!

    • stangerx says:

      I miss those days too. But why do you select CNN rather than say MSNBC? And to me at least One American News is a gossip rag. That thing about the guy knocked cold started with a Russian-born guy in America working for a Russian news source.

      Where today do you get your news?

  55. ocalarob says:

    I totally believe it was racist, but it was 1 man being racist. and maybe the other3 that helped

  56. ocalarob says:

    I doubt this rioting is about Floyd, it’s totally political

    • steveccnv says:

      Of course, right out of the playbook. Don’t let a good tragedy go to waste, they do it over and over.

      • steveccnv says:

        And that’s why I say the left politicians don’t care about American citizens, just about power and money. Does anyone really think hilllary cares about anyone other than herself?

    • stangerx says:

      It’s most distinctly political. Same time I’m cool with some reforms.

      Marcus Allen used to drive around LA with a letter in his car written by the Chief of police: “This is Marcus Allen RB for the Raiders…. yes this Mercedes sports car is his.” He’d been pulled over that many times.

      • steveccnv says:

        Racial profiling, that’s really what the fight should be about, but the left always has to make it about them.

  57. TryPod says:

    That damn Elmo.. is Sesame Street even his target demographic?

  58. Mike E. says:

    Steve – You need proof of racism when a white cop dragged a black man out of his car along with 3 other cops and killed him slowly by kneeling on his neck while 3 other non black cops watched and allowed it to happen? What would it take exactly to prove it? If the cop was wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood? If all of them were? If he said I’m gonna kill you nigger? What?

    • steveccnv says:

      One of the cops was black, but doesn’t change anything.

      How do you go straight from white on black to racism, especially, when they had history?

      Is every white on black or black on white murder racist?

  59. TryPod says:

    I want to, but I just don’t have the energy…

  60. wyoming85 says:

    Didn’t mean to re-start this!
    Just saw an update on information.
    Sorry some of you think the source is shit. Won’t happen again!

    • stangerx says:

      The source is shit man. 🙂

      But wasn’t going after you either. And ORob just put out CNN is the same…… relative views.

  61. bookman11 says:

    I don’t comment on these things on here often because I hate talking politics, and unfortunately this has become political in some ways.

    People who kill others each have their own internal motivation, sometimes it is known, other times it is not. These motivations can differ, but one thing does not differ: it is one human being killing another…and that in its basic form is the problem with the HUMAN race…it is flawed since the days of Adam and Eve, and while we live here, will always be.

    Identify, arrest and prosecute ANY body who takes a human life except in self defense or military action, regardless of motivation, and we take steps forward.

    The human race is a mess and always has been, good luck solving these issues by mixing in politics

    • stangerx says:

      What you so eloquently write is why we will always need police, or something under some name that performs the same function. Seems we can get that function better though.

  62. Randy says:

    Sadly, this is yet another example of our society today. Nobody actually engages in thoughtful and respectful conversation anymore. People shout their opinions…informed or otherwise and demand that everyone agree with them. If they don’t, the dissenters are demonized and marginalized.
    Instead of talking through a subject, we yell and scream at one another until one side or the other is silenced. Unfortunately, it encourages exactly what we say we don’t want. Hatred, resentment and a feeling that we are being silenced and told our beliefs or thoughts….and therefor our person…is not valued or respected. This whole thing saddens and sickens me when I see what we’ve become as a society. We are ALL to blame. It starts at home and in our own life. Hell, we see it here on this very blog day after day. It’s not enough to have a difference of opinion and agree to disagree. We have to shout down and belittle anybody with a dissenting view. This problem is FAR more insidious than a racial issue. I hope we can change things, but I’m not very hopeful.
    But hey….I’m the curmudgeon….maybe I’m just old and out of touch. Go Dolphins!

    • stangerx says:

      This blog is exactly what is like. The screaming is by a few. The middle is what matters most, even if the extremes move it.

  63. The Flying Pig says:

    FWIW Wyoming

    I’m generally very suspicious of OANN but I did NOT find that article to be particularly biased when I read it And I think, no matter the source – it’s worth a read before assuming biases

    You guys are free to post whatever works you want to as far as I am concerned

    But I rarely post CNN as a source for information bc I know it gets under some people’s skin and probably won’t persuade people (I even mentioned that CNN was reporting similar info in reply to your post)

    I’ve probably strayed from this But generally I try to post things like the actual link to the proposed PPE plan or something like that

    I’m pretty sure I’ve never posted an AOC tweet on this blog – I cant even imagine how much steam would come from the collective ears of the blog…lol

    That’s just where we are

    It’s very hard to post anything where some one can argue some kind of political bias but some are a little more likely to get a reaction than others

    So it’s always your call – use your judgment

    I can tell you if you want to know my thoughts on them – OANN doesn’t feel conservative to me
    It’s feels conspiratorial…it feels a little like the National Enquirer of broadcasting

    That doesn’t mean their reporting is wrong per se and it certianly doesn’t mean you aren’t sharing information by posting it…

    • stangerx says:

      “And I think, no matter the source – it’s worth a read before assuming biases”

      You got me on that one. Figured out how to get back on the board but not how to access links like that. Pretty sure about what OAN is like though.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Oh…I agree with you about OAN

        But I read the article and it wasn’t really biased IMO
        Just my .02

  64. Rockphin says:

    Boy you can really watch the puppets dance sometimes. Dance puppet! Dance!

  65. The Flying Pig says:

    Steve and Top

    In terms of Candace Owens. I’ve been in a lot of discussions about race, politics and discrimination in a lot of different crowds and I’ve never heard one black person refer to Candace Owens as a good source of information/perspective. Same with Shaun King actually who’s the opposite politically

    This isn’t exactly a diverse crowd on this blog in terms of backgrounds, so with all due respect to you guys, I don’t go to you to get a pulse of how minorities feel

    You can take that fwiw but I don’t think she’s giving audiences any perspective. She’s just telling her audiences what many of them already believe. It’s a grift. And that’s the feedback I usually receive about her in different more diverse crowds when her name comes up

    She publicly states BLM is a terrorist group funded by white democrats. It’s kind of silly. Things like that are a much easier argument to sell
    for some one who doesn’t have a cousin or a friend they grew up with who may be involved with BLM or believes in what BLM stands for.

    But you guys do what’s right for you and I’ll do what’s right for me. I’m just telling you my experiences – she’s not taken seriously on these topics in most circles that are even a little diverse

  66. Mike E. says:

    Steve – If you think exactly the same thing would have occurred with Chauvin and Floyd and the 3 other cops if they were both white, then I guess you really don’t think it was racist. I can’t for a second believe that it would have/could have played out the same if Floyd were white.

    • steveccnv says:

      I don’t assume racism, the way some people tell it is. I have no idea what occurred between the two.

      You’re suggesting anytime a killing takes place outside the ordinary we should assume racism. That falls right into we should believe women every time.

      I think people are generally good, until they are poisoned by someone or something.

      Diversity is needed in some form or problems start to occur, when they have to deal with others not like themself.

      I grew up in Miami, my first school was 50-50 white/ Cuban, my next school was 50-50 white/black, my next school was all white, then mix of white/black/Cuban. When I left Miami I didn’t face culture shock, because of the duversity.

  67. The Flying Pig says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 10, 2020 at 12:00 pm (Edit)
    Again why use Floyd as the martyr, instead of someone that was really innocent? Because there’s a video and the the police officers actions were as everyone says outrageous.

    Can we all agree, we don’t need anymore protests, looting, rioting, and action needs to start immediately?


    He’s actually innocent until proven guilty
    But he never got a shot to have his day in court

    The reason some one who’s not perfect makes a good martyr is bc none of us are perfect

    But all of us have basic human rights

    I actually don’t agree that we don’t need anymore protests and I don’t think protests stop action from occurring anyway

    I don’t whether it’s will be effective given where the majority of Americans seems to be. But I suspect the protests will fade in time – people will stop when they don’t think it’s necessary, and not based on how each of us feel about it. People probably have to see results to stop protesting.

  68. stangerx says:

    My take on what happened to Floyd — if I tried to buy a pack of smokes with a bad $20 the cops would ask me where I got the twenty from. Would be different if my wallet or car was filled with them, but assuming if that was the case we would have heard about it by now.

  69. Mike E. says:

    Steve – I’m just going by what I saw, the media isn’t making me think anything I didn’t think when I watched it. I saw that and immediately my mid told me this was a racist/hate incident.

  70. ElephantRider says:

    Tony Timpa

    Nobody has ever heard of this guy from last summer. Why? The cops actually laughing about it while they killed this man same fashion as the guy in MN. All on their bodycams…..

    He’s not the only one. If you think race is a reason cops do this shit, you’re sadly mistaken. Do they profile, hell yes they do. They are a narcissistic egomaniacal bunch of thugs. Plain and simple. There is no accountability and not enough good ones to outweigh the “bad apples”. They don’t need defunding, they need actual policing of themselves.

  71. Randy says:

    To me, it doesn’t really matter what the officer’s motivation was. His actions are what matter. Yes, I know it makes a difference in how you charge him, but it doesn’t change what happened. He killed someone. Whether it was because of race, incompetence or he’s just an evil schmuck. A man is still dead, and that sort of outcome was simply not warranted nor should it go unpunished. I am not a big fan of how cops do their job. I’ve been mistreated by cops on more than one occasion. It’s not a black issue. They kill lots of whites too. Cops need to be held accountable for their actions just like the rest of us when they do something wrong. I understand giving them some limited protection due to the difficulty and dangerousness of their job, but that shouldn’t be used to protect them. These are not simple issues. If these protests bring about a change in how the police do their jobs, then something good will come out of all this….for all of us.

    • ElephantRider says:


    • steveccnv says:

      I think the chances of nothing real coming of this is very slim, there’s too much public outcry. The day, when these bad cops can no longer sweep it under the rug, is fast approaching. It may take a while for some new laws or whatever, but any cop that does something bad will be publically humiliated.

  72. The Flying Pig says:

    What do you do if your order come s back like this?

  73. CavalierKong says:

    The major police reform this country needs is the breaking up of the good ‘ol boy network that persists in law enforcement departments across the country. I use the term loosely to mean a certain code and not to mean racist. Because of the danger inherent in the job, it is natural for a system of ‘got each other’s backs no matter what’ to perpetuate itself. Similar to military units in the sense that everyone stands united in order to survive.

    This system is what allows incidents where one ‘bad apple’ does something horrific and 3 others stand by when simple intervention would have saved a life.

    In the past, not supporting the actions of a fellow officer (right or wrong) has been treated as betraying a code and can ruin careers. Simply put, this is what needs to change. The black community has been railing against this system for decades.

    Prior to civil rights movements which continued the process of moving towards equal treatment for black folk, in many places a cop could do pretty much whatever they wanted to a black person with little to no consequence. We’re not talking the 1800s, we’re talking recent history – 60’s, this lifetime.

    I always find it incredulous to see how some people treat this as if black folk have had it good after the antebellum south and these are ancient issues. Sure, we’ve moved in a direction of equality when compared to that era, but Jim Crow laws were enforced as late as 1965. In other words, many people were still alive who lived with segregation, mistreatment, racism, etc.

    My meandering point is, yes, cops do this shit to white folks and every other race as well, but Incidents like Tony Timpa, while also horrific, are not going to create change. And we white folk, don’t really care about Tony Timpa incidents. Oh, I’m sure everyone here who read about it will say ‘that’s horrible’ and ‘the cop needs to be prosecuted’, but we’re not outraged about a system that allows these incidents to happen. And we will never care enough to change it for ourselves.

    When life is good and the world is your oyster, it’s easy to shrug off these incidents because we don’t really think it will happen to us. But a black person living in America has a very different life. A lot of black people living in America experience racism on some level nearly EVERY SINGLE day of their lives. If you don’t believe that statement, you are ignorant. The black community is fed up with these incidents, and they want a change to the system.

    Blaming the victim as deserving because he had a record, saying ‘it happens to all races, not just blacks’, dismissing it as an isolated incident, blaming the black community because they kill each other more than cops kill them. All of these are the real ‘game’ that take eyes off the actual issue, which is the system needs to be reformed.

    I am staunchly against looting and rioting. And I will NEVER be for defunding police forces, but I am wholeheartedly for an overhaul to the system which will allow cops who see a fellow officer doing something wrong the power to speak up and to act without fear of repercussion.

    • stangerx says:

      NIcely said Cav. Cops are like a football team. A reason for that, but a problem as well.

      • ElephantRider says:

        The reason you have to Google Timpa is because the media chooses what train they are riding. That’s a big underlying problem that needs addressing.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      We might be able to create some sort of affirmative obligation on police to stop other police officers in the act if they are using excessive force

      Right now a big problem is police covering for each other

      I genuinely think the reaction by the police to protests around the country was some sort of suppression of speech as they view the protests as an attack on them (and in some cases, some more direct than others, they are)

      One of the big challenges I think we will have when people are ready to take these things seriously and start acting is that’s there won’t be a uniform policy

      Standards for police vary from city to city and state to state. If some change, some won’t. Hard to get everyone on the same page when law enforcement is local

      But I do think the civil right prong of the DOJ can be used for this oversight of police around the country and can set minimum standards that way. At the end of the day we are talking about basic constitutional rights of American citizens and the fed govt certainly can make sure police are in compliance with conditional standards under the 4th amendment or due process and equal protection under the 5th and 14th…and of course
      Speech and the right to assemble under the 1st amendment
      Protection clause

  74. CavalierKong says:


    A sad end, which we all knew was coming, to this terrible story. I’d happily pull the lever, drop the pellet, or pull the trigger on these two assholes.

  75. wyoming85 says:

  76. CavalierKong says:


    The reason you have to google Tony Timpa is because it was a year ago. At the time it was covered by ‘left, liberal, mainstream’ media (see below). The reason it doesn’t stay a story is because nobody cares about a white dude killed by the cops, especially white people, except for when they can use it as a talking point example to ‘disprove’ racism or prove unfair coverage by the media.

    It has very little to do with the current conversation and serves as nothing more than distraction from the real issue of police reform when his story should actually reinforce the argument reform is needed. Or do you think the black community wouldn’t be upset about Floyd, et al if the media rode the Timpa train for longer last year?

    Don’t get me wrong, I agree our media is as jacked up as we are. It has become completely polarized and biased on both sides, and you really have to understand how to navigate the dissemination of information in order to stay well-informed, which unfortunately most of America cannot do. But media coverage doesn’t change the need for call to reform. The issue with our media is another huge problem on its own IMO.



    • The Flying Pig says:

      The Timpa footage is body cam footage

      No none shot it on their phones So it never went viral
      The footage was released a year ago
      But it actually occurred in 2016

      The Dallas PD suppressed the release of the footage for 3 years
      And they were able to bc it wasn’t some ones phone recording – it was a police body cam recording

      That’s how the Dallas PD avoided media scrutiny

      If it weren’t for a citizen filming Floyd’s death and it was body cam footage – would we know about his death today?

      • CavalierKong says:

        Thank you for the correction and clarification, Piggy. I found the stories and just posted them without reading, which is hilarious when you consider my remarks on disseminating information and navigating etc, lol.

  77. The Flying Pig says:

    I by the way heard about Timpa last year
    But it’s wasn’t on cnn or msnbc or fox

    It was on twitter bc I follow the ACLU and they reported it

  78. CavalierKong says:


    Your response above is exactly the way these conversations should start going IMO. We need to stop pointing fingers and trying to champion ‘our side’. Let’s get past the left vs right, fox vs cnn, black vs white thing, and start having real conversations about what police reform might look like.

    I think most people are entrenched in their own ideas, and par for the course, no one is moving off their spot, but what I am hearing is most people are open to reform.

    As you briefly outlined, the proposition is rife with issues and complexities that will be hard to overcome to implement any real change on a wholesale scale. But it needs to start somewhere.

    • The Flying Pig says:


      I think arguments are part of the process honestly

      • CavalierKong says:

        Differing ideas will usually create conflict and argument is its expression. You can be sure any reform will be fought over and debated. But arguing over entrenched positions that give no path forward or room for compromise is pointless. And right now it seems that is so much of what consumes our discussions.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Oinks to that

  79. The Flying Pig says:

    Also Timpa was a schizophrenic

    People with mental disabilities are among the most vulnerable among us

    I think the general public pays a lot more attention when race is involved but what happened to him is a serious problem and shouldn’t be ignored

    But you guys should be aware, his family had to fight a long legal battle just to have the cam footage released, so that took a lot out of the stories sails IMO

  80. pheloniusphish says:

    It’s like all data. What it says depends on your viewpoint. But what the numbers say is that the bias is individual not systemic and that the system is not racist.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      What I got out of that is that the only data they had through 2015 was fbi data, which was supplied to the fbi by local police voluntarily (which is crazy and bound to be inaccurate unless you think people voluntarily confess to crimes) and that the data they looked at was gathered from different news agencies through FOIL requests and then stored in a database accessible to them

      But that info was missing info the racial background of the officer

      However, they do say an officers race doesn’t indicate how much force he/she uses (which I feel like a lot of us already agree with)

      But does that mean it’s not systematic problem? I don’t think so

      The systematic problem I refer to when I use that word is not that white officers are some how more likely to kill/hurt minority civilians. I don’t think a race is inherently trying to hurt another race. Or that it’s some kind of undercover KKK unit

      I mean that minority civilians are more vulnerable to police abuses bc their communities are often overrun by a police presence. That’s going to increase the likelihood of these sort of things – and that’s just scratching the surface of it

      There is also wholesale lack of accountability by police who commit acts, unless some one catches them in a video

      And then the more complicated part is just things that have been routine but really create something that might escalate – and I would have to write a novel about that part, but in short the demands of what is admirable evidence in a criminal trial create burden for police to find probable cause where it wasn’t ordinary risky visible. And this is a snowballing problem since the 80s bc of the war on drugs.

      I guess if some one said it’s systematic racism of putting people in place who err more prone to dose franchise minorities – I would disagree with that

      But if you said it’s a systematic problem that leads to racial disparities – I would agree with that. And I think that makes it racist

      I guess it’s semantics, but while systematic is synonymous with planned or methodical, it’s also synonymous with routine. I think it’s practices that have to change. It’s not necessarily people. But people who harmed others need to be accountable.

  81. ElephantRider says:


    It’s one of a thousand examples, not a distraction. I agree with you and Pigs. My view is that there is too much of a race bait thru the media. The stats are there and the problem is this has been going on forever no matter what you look like. Why can’t the focus be on that? I think it would be much more successful in changing things if you include all races in the discussion. That’s all I’m getting at. I know minorities are hit the hardest on a daily basis, but the fact is this thing needs to have everyone behind it. Instead of coming together seems they want to tear us apart. Just my viewpoint.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I think we’re probably closer on this subject than we at first appear. I despise what our media has become. The problem is so often the media issue is presented in a logical fallacy, using whataboutism to discredit or distract from a valid argument. Accordingly, I have a tendency to blow off statements about the media, but it doesn’t mean I don’t agree the media is f%^&ed.

      Where we may disagree in part, is I personally think all races ARE more involved in this discussion than at any time in the past. Upheaval can be used to good effect sometimes, and if we get more people behind police reform because of the recent upheaval, then maybe something good can come of it, which is good for all of us in the long run.

      But right now there is too much arguing over the precise degree of racial motivation and racism we need to assign to these events and the problem in general. I wish we could just agree, most of us, there is a problem that needs to be addressed (even if it is 37% racism instead of 74.8%) and move forward. lol

      Anyway, I’m probably done for the night. Agree or disagree, I respect you. Cheers!

  82. Mike E. says:

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll mention it again. The way to handle part of the reform of policing is having people from the community they live in step up and become police. More black cops in black areas would have to help the situation. Incentivize kids by creating a clear career path to becoming a cop. People who are known and respected in the community. That’s a win.

    • steveccnv says:

      Come on, that isn’t going to do anything. Complaints need to be taken more seriously, and maybe even handled by an outside unbiased FIRM, unlike what the American Cancer Society does.

      • Mike E. says:

        That isn’t going to do anything? What makes you say that?

      • steveccnv says:

        Because the police force in big cities is already diverse, these guys of all races are part of the club, adding more diversity isn’t going to affect the bad apples.

  83. Mike E. says:

    The media doesn’t have to explain to me the difference of being white and black with police. I have never feared being dragged out of my car and killed by a cop, because I’m a white dude. I can’t even imagine how black people feel when they see those lights behind them. I always feel like I killed 10 people when I get pulled over, and I’m ready to confess. Thankfully, I haven’t had to deal with cops trying to beat one out of me. It’s just so different, it really is. My wife brought this up to me, that she gets nervous when she’s driving and she gets lost and ends up in a black neighborhood that doesn’t seem like a good area. I suppose you can that racism, and maybe it is., but it exists. I’ve been there too. I remember getting lost coming home from Philly and driving through what seemed like a bad neighborhood and I felt nervous about it.

  84. steveccnv says:

    Systemic racism is just another talking point for police departments, sure there’s racism, but not at the department level. So how would that work, if a police department like Minneapolis, had 50% white 30% black and 20 Hispanic?

    I can possible see it in middle America, but that’s not what is being talked about here.

    You’re always going to have some bias, but that isn’t even the issue being discussed. The police reform is for cops, not white cops. Cops of all races benefit from the good ole boys club, but the ones the media always makes public are white on black, because that’s the narrative they want talked about. Statistics prove this.

    Everything about protests are political, this instance is more political, than ever, if that’s even possible.

    Police gotcha back or good ole boys club is as common and widely known as what was going on in Hollywood with movie producers like Harvey Weinstein.

    I think the time to say no more has finally come to all of these Male chauvanistic pigs (no double pun intended).

  85. steveccnv says:

    I saw an article on QBs ranking their velocity, release, and processing speed. Tua, like I mentioned before the draft had the weakest arm, but quickest release even faster than Marino. Burrow had the quickest processing time, which I think is BS. I can clearly see Tua processing so much faster than anyone in this class.

    It’s all BS anyways, some guy trying to use science to show the strengths and weaknesses of QBs.

    I think he just picked out the QBs he liked the best and backed into the stats🤔

  86. Tim Knight says:

    Hope all is well with everyone. 🙂

    The thing I noticed about Tua is he’s very accurate and mobile enough to extend plays and run it. We might have a left handed Russell Wilson on our hands.😏

    • steveccnv says:

      I’ve thought the same thing, but I don’t any longer. Wilson actually sucks as a pocket passer, he extends plays, then throws up those highly accurate floaters. His strength is his ability to avoid the past rush, then adlib his passes.

      Ok, maybe he doesn’t suck in the pocket, but it’s not a strength.

      Tua has Brady like quickness getting the ball off, and his accuracy might be better, he can also read and move a D like Brady. Where they differ is where he’s similar to Wilson, arm strength and mobility.

      I don’t think Tua is as limited as Wilson is in some areas and I don’t think he has any weaknesses. He has a highly catchable ball, because of his beautiful touch on all passes.

      If there was one semi weakness it would be how far he throws it, only about 55 yards, but not sure how that comes into play. We’ll see how he does in the windy cold northeast/midwest in December.

      I don’t think he’s played too many cold weather windy games coming from Hawaii and Alabama.

  87. pheloniusphish says:

    CNN Headline – “ https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/10/politics/donald-trump-medical-supplies-thrown-out-factory-tour-coronavirus/index.html”

    The story – “ Puritan Medical Products said it had decided ahead of Trump’s visit on Friday to throw away the swabs it produced due to the number of people who would be visiting the facility, including government officials, security personnel and the media.

    “Production was limited on selected machines to a reduced 15-minute demonstration period during which the President was actively touring our manufacturing floor,” the company said in a statement posted on Twitter”

  88. Mike E. says:

    Steve – The police have to root out the bad apples on their own. What I’m suggesting helps limit the unnecessary arrests and hassles that cops from outside the community do. You have guys that know the neighborhood and know the people in the neighborhood, the relationship is way different. Do that significantly in inner cities where the crime levels are out of control and I think over time that will really improve things.

    As far as the bad apples, I’m sure all precincts and stations know who the bad guys are. Have peer reviews which are anonymous and get rid of those fuckers!

    • steveccnv says:

      I don’t agree, and while there isn’t systemic racism running rampant, I do think the good ole boys club breeds these bad apples.

      I don’t think too many of these bad cops started out saying I want to be a cop, because I want to harass black people. They started out with good intentions, then when they saw how things worked and hardened over time they developed a hatred. There’s lots of live police shows out there, it isn’t too hard to see how bad people treat the police. I don’t agree with it, but I can see why cops harden over time. Those stopped by them lie, deny, and flat out disrespect cops.

      Now you’ve got a 15 year veteran officer, that’s seen this BS for a long time, and something happens, maybe he was a little too rough with someone, and it was reported, but nothing happened. That’s how the breeding of hate starts, then it happens again, but maybe with a little more force…

      No different than being a kid and you do something and your parents let you get away with it, before long you’re doing all sorts of shit.

      The problem isn’t just with the officers, it goes up the chain of command.

    • steveccnv says:

      Also not sure you want a cop on his home beat. It breeds corruption. It also has to be tough on the officer. Johnny, how could you arrest Jimmy? He’s your friend or at least he used to be, you sellout.

      Criminals and Petty thieves are ruthless, and when they need to steal for an addiction…

      Something that might work is taking a cop from one hood and have him work in another one, but this problem of treating blacks poorly needs to be solved in all areas, not just in their own neighbirhood.

      • Mike E. says:

        You know what, while that may be true to a point, I think it’s better that what we currently have. At least a mutual respect between police and citizens would be there. If they want to let some things slide, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone in the process, it’s all good. I also agree with you on chain of command and the good ole boys network. No one wants to be the rat, but if they can set up anonymous peer reviews where there are no ramifications for those who weed out the bad ones, that’s progress. Fuck, it’s like teachers in NYC who get tenure. They can be the shittiest teachers on earth and do a lousy, uninspired job but can’t be removed because they’ve taught a certain amount of years. That’s union garbage.

  89. ocalarob says:

    Pre season may be shortened to 2 games

  90. ocalarob says:

    Will miami trade for Dalvin Cook?

    • bookman11 says:

      Has he ever played a full season?

    • steveccnv says:

      Are you giving MN a 1st and 4th, then paying him 16M a year to play 10 games? Only to have him fade as the season goes on.

      • steveccnv says:

        I brought this up 2 days ago, the article on Cook said as he got more carries, the 2nd half of last year, his production went way down and he wasn’t good in the playoffs. They did fail to mention what may have been the reason his stats were down, but they were in the camp of don’t make the trade, so…

    • wyoming85 says:

      Hell No!!!!!!!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      He’s really talented

      But he’s had injuries and hard to give up good value for a RB these days

      I would give up a 4th rounder and make sure I’m not tied to him financially long term

  91. Mike E. says:

    If we wanted a RB that badly we could have drafted Swift, Edwards-Helaire, Taylor or Dobbins. I think we’re content with Howard and Breida

  92. steveccnv says:

    So now the Chris Simms bias comes out, he says Stidham is more talented than Tua.

  93. wyoming85 says:

  94. wyoming85 says:

  95. Rockphin says:


    I can see this and agree with the premise on most EXCEPT for the last one. X is not an option IMO!!

  96. The Flying Pig says:

    I told you guys Chris Simms eats glue!

  97. The Flying Pig says:

  98. Rockphin says:

    So I read today that Florida is / has entered phase 2 reopening…..Bars are allowed to reopen with 50% capacity “with the exception of barstools” WTF does that even mean? You can go to a bar, but you aren’t allowed to sit? You can sit in a chair but not a stool? I cannot find in any of the literature what the “exception of barstools” means. Not at all surprising with Desantis running things..

    • Mike E. says:

      I guess barstools are so close together so they don’t want that. Tables you can move apart, but people might move barstools close together even if you space them out

      • Rockphin says:


        I am over this whole thing. Just infect me already! (I may have already had it in March, but testing wasn’t available at the time)

      • Mike E. says:

        I hear ya. As busy and crazy as it has been in my place, it’s practically impossible to maintain enough caution. So many times I go from person to person w/o washing my hands in between because it’s so damn busy. I’m just going to have to hope no one coming in either has it or is carrying it. I’d feel safer min a restaurant or a bar. lol

  99. wyoming85 says:

  100. wyoming85 says:

  101. wyoming85 says:

  102. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – Iggy Mahogany

  103. wyoming85 says:

  104. wyoming85 says:

  105. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, I’m going either with Noah or Ig.

  106. CavalierKong says:

    Sheesh, did Tua have carnal relations with Chris Simms’ wife and daughter?

  107. TryPod says:

    I was thinking Igby.. kinda like Mike E.

  108. CavalierKong says:

    So the NFL is considering cutting the preseason this year to 2 games. I don’t see why not. Isn’t next year’s plan to add an extra game to the reg season, add a 2nd bye-week, and cut the preseason down to 2 anyway?

    Although, this will give them fewer games to work out any kinks that arise in whatever measures they put into play for COVID.

  109. CavalierKong says:

    Only 2 of our draft picks are left unsigned now. I don’t know if you can read anything into it about our FO or not, but only 3 of the entire first rd draft class have signed so far, and we have 2 of them.

  110. wyoming85 says:

  111. Randy says:

    I think of him as Noghene. I pronounce it “noggin” in my head.

  112. Rockphin says:

    Not gonna call him Nog-Henne

    Just not gonna do it

    Igbino it is.

  113. Mike E. says:


    Steve – So now what? If Chauvin didn’t know Floyd previously, are we back to it being racist, or is that just my fucked up take on this?

  114. steveccnv says:

    How do you guys feel about CHAZ Seattle?

  115. son of a son of a shula says:

    Some good ones for the rookie, I like Igby the best. But I do like the rhyme with Mahogany.
    Ever work with Mahogany anyone? It’s so beautiful to work with. Soft and easy to work with but so durable and long lasting, the dust is fine and insidious but who cares it’s worth it. Just clear coat it.
    Phin pup is probably the only one who has.

  116. son of a son of a shula says:

    I did 2 whole kitchens in Mahogany back in the day. I bought a whole pallet of 6-7’ S3S boards, the size lended itself perfectly for a kitchen. Planed, jointed, squared every board, which I did with any species, cut, installed, sanded each cabinet piece, raised panel doors. Mahogany is different and special. Rich. It’s gorgeous.

  117. son of a son of a shula says:

    I made a fucking huge detailed gorgeous wall unit for a former MLB pitcher, he was active at the time. Then he moved so I went to the new house to reinstall the unit. I had been after him that I wanted to catch as he warmed up. Well one of times I was there he “finally “ let me. I embarrassed the shit out of myself lol. I threw 2 back that sailed over his head, omg. Then some curvey fucking screwball came, wtf is this, bounces off the heal of the glove and nailed the top of my foot. I was limping for days. Mind you the only mitt he had was an undersized catchers mitt that had Tony Perez and Andre the hawk Dawson real autographs on it, not the imprinted one when you buy one. Still the mitt was no excuse for launching a couple over his head.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I should have mentioned, that MLB pitcher pitches even when he’s just getting loose – COME AT YOU FAST!!!

  118. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stanger or Wyoming might know of him he came up with Pittsburgh and after that he played for a bunch of other teams including Padres, Yankees and Marlins where he was when I met him. He was going back and forth to Cocoa each day in his Dodge Viper for Spring training from Winter Springs about 45 minutes. Dan Miceli.

  119. son of a son of a shula says:

    Want to hear a true story?
    Good. It was for the second Fest we had, maybe third but very early on, I wanted to show you guys what I do(did) sort of. I made this badass box, humidor size, with a nice laquer finish in Mahogany (left over from the kitchens) and I was going to give it away at the tailgate based on who won Howies Pick ‘em. Whoever won got the box, all concealed hardware, magnetic catch, velvet interior. Well I wasn’t happy with the finish necessarily and Howie never showed despite him having walked right by us. Plus the whole thing didn’t unfold really the way I had anticipated so I held off saying anything. The box was in Jim’s truck but I never said anything. I also had a nice Dolphin logo sticker I was going to put on it which was very hard to find. The box never came out at the Fest, the sticker still unstuck never went on anything and the box is now my wife’s jewelry box.

  120. Mike E. says:

    Sonny, mahogany is beautiful wood. I dont do woodwork, I suck at stuff like that. The only woodwork I ever did was sand down all her furniture so she could paint it. It was a lot of work but I did it for a huge bag of weed. lol

  121. son of a son of a shula says:

    After I met Miceli naturally I followed him. He was getting towards the end of his career and started floating around to different teams. I think it was for the Giants in a playoff game he coughed up one , the game/series winner to Todd Zeile that I don’t think has landed yet. Yes I cautiously gave him shit about that several months later.

  122. son of a son of a shula says:

    This is it. Not Zeile it was Edmonds and it was game 6 not the series winner

  123. TOP SECRET says:

    my reply to PIGGY ;

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Google Candace Owens and Degree180 and see what comes up for you

      She was a vocal liberal in 2015

      • steveccnv says:

        She was fed lies by the left for years, she’s come to her senses and switched sides. She believes the govt gives financial support to blacks to keep them in the dem party, not to help them grow and better themselves.

        Do you think Al Sharpton likes blacks dumb and compliant or educated and able to go at life without financial support. I saw an old clip yesterday that showed some left politician saying giving blacks financial support will keep them in the dem party for the next 200 years. Why is that Ok?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        5 years from now, when everything she says is the opposite of what she is saying now, I hope I remember to say I told you so

        She’s just a grifter telling you what you want to hear and making money off it

        I love the story about how she married the son of a British baron after knowing him two weeks via FaceTime….that doesn’t raise an eyebrow or anything….

        Sometimes the last people who realize that a a con is going on are the marks

    • TOP SECRET says:

      the left is attacking her because of “BLEXIT” they don’t want black voters “waking up”.

  124. TOP SECRET says:

    and this ;

  125. TOP SECRET says:

    here’s a couple of black dudes who refer to her as a good source…….. just sayin.

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 10, 2020 at 3:07 pm
    Steve and Top
    In terms of Candace Owens. I’ve been in a lot of discussions about race, politics and discrimination in a lot of different crowds and I’ve never heard one black person refer to Candace Owens as a good source of information/perspective

  126. The Flying Pig says:

    in response to my real experience with real people you post videos of people you’ve never met

    I really hope everything you learn about different people doesn’t come from YouTube

    • wyoming85 says:

      I don’t want to get in the middle of your and Tops discussion!

      But as a side note: I doubt any of the Beer joints I go to have the same views as the establishments you frequent? 😉

  127. ocalarob says:

    I just wonder if tua tagovailoa will start.shouldnt he be able to beat out fitz?

    • steveccnv says:

      Why should a rookie QB be able to beat out a solid vet? Sure Wilson did it, but didn’t have a vet there.

      I want Fitz to start, because it gives us at least 2 chances to get great QB play this year. I want to make the playoffs this year and I think Fitz starting week 1 gives us the best chance to do that. Unless he lights out, which only has about a 30% chance of happening, I expect to see Tua get a real chance before the year us over.

      I don’t want to start the year off in NE and give belicheat a chance to Fup Tua.

  128. ocalarob says:

    It should be easier to make the playoffs this year, they have added 2 more teams to it. Can Miami make the playoffs?

    • steveccnv says:

      Yes, but we have to get off to a fast start, no time to waste on rookie QB growing pains.

      The rookie QBs that get off to fast starts are generally running QBs and u don’t think we want Tua running wild.

  129. steveccnv says:

    Fitz was great his first season in NY, because he had big receivers to throw to, a running game, a good team behind him and Gailey.

    This season is setup perfect for him, just like it was in NY.

  130. wyoming85 says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 12, 2020 at 9:40 am
    At Slatterys?

    What do you think goes on there? lol
    Hopefully Dolphins football?
    But that wasn’t the subject at hand

    • The Flying Pig says:

      The places I go to drink beers are not hotbeds of liberal advocacy. They are just places where people unwind

      In terms of your generalization about ny, it’s just a false equivalency
      We get all types in nyc. We accept all types. A huge chunk of our population is originally from outside of nyc

      I don’t know how to say this delicately, but it’s obvious to me that when a lot of people on this blog talk about issues that affect minorities, they don’t actually know any. And saying to me, well in the places I go, where there are few minorities, everyone agrees with me, doesn’t really flip the tables the way you think it does

      Exposure to other cultures makes a difference. Not lack of exposure.

      • wyoming85 says:

        Are you fucking kidding me???????

        You do remember I work in the Industrial construction industry right?

        I have people I work with from all over the world!

        I have MS13, arien nations, and Bloods on the same crews!

        I have several friends that are members of the Non-Stop Riderz that were in Houston the other day.

        I’m not going to go down this rabbit hole any further! But just suffice it to say I might have some exposure!


  131. wyoming85 says:

    If Tua beats Fitz out he will start!
    I have faith in Flores to play the best available person!

  132. ocalarob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 10, 2020 at 3:07 pm
    I’ve never heard one black person refer to Candace Owens as a good source of information/perspective.

    Sorry Piggy, i totally disagree with your thought process here.

    it’s not about what you think of her, she may be a bad person or not?
    it’s about what you think of her statement? that’s the issue at hand.

    classic leftism.
    a way to cloud the issue at hand and kill the messenger because it isn’t inline with their beliefs.
    there is no regard for the actual truth if it doesn’t support the agenda.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Don’t be sorry about being wrong
      Try to correct it

      My thought process is she is giving people who lack diversity in their lives a person of color to rally behind bc she is selling them what they already believe

      And it sells very well

      • ocalarob says:

        AKA the truth?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        But it’s a false sense of a security

        And in real life, it’s really not a good source of information on how a community feels

        I’m not going to waste more time with it

        The real life exposure is there for you if you want it

        I encourage you guys all to get out there, go interact with community groups in urban settings where there is a heavy population of minorities and see what you think

        I can’t post something here or on social media that’s a substitute for that

      • steveccnv says:

        If that’s true, then you’re saying the left does something for blacks, please tell me what that is that they do.

        My thought process is she is giving people who lack diversity in their lives a person of color to rally behind bc she is selling them what they already believe

        This is exactly what the left has been doing for years, and yet some how, if you believe someone on the right is doing it, it’s a con. Well maybe Candice isn’t a con, because two opposite sides can’t both be in general lying.

  133. steveccnv says:

    Joe Biden exposed the left for who they really are, when he said you ain’t black, if you support Trump. He proved what I said above, that they take the black vote for granted. Candice Owens says the same thing, please tell me how in 5 years that lie will be exposed?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m 5 years Candace Owens will be selling a whole different can of lies that conflicts with the ones she is saying now

      I’m not telling you that your political leanings are wrong or will be proven wrong
      Or political won’t be just some one opinions and we are all wrong and right at times

      I’m telling you using her quotes to express anything about how a community feels or should feel is wrong. Because she’s a grifter. I’m telling you she’s going to be selling whatever sells in 5 years and it won’t be close to saying what she says now

      Biden was heavenly criticizes by a lot of people for those comments. The guy you mentioned earlier, Sharpton, has actually called on Biden to apologize for quite a few things

    • Mike E. says:

      Or Nancy Pelosi deciding the confederate statues have to come down in NYC now, while she’s been in congress for 30 years, they were fine, but now with an election coming in Nov, think she has a false agenda?

  134. Mike E. says:

    Wyo – NYC is definitely a melting pot of different cultures and different political leanings although when the elections come around, it’s predominantly a liberal group at the polls. That’s not necessarily represented in the bars and clubs though.

    • wyoming85 says:

      I’ll re-post it for you too!

      Are you fucking kidding me???????

      You do remember I work in the Industrial construction industry right?

      I have people I work with from all over the world!

      I have MS13, arien nations, and Bloods on the same crews!

      I have several friends that are members of the Non-Stop Riderz that were in Houston the other day.

      I’m not going to go down this rabbit hole any further! But just suffice it to say I might have some exposure!


    • The Flying Pig says:

      For fucking Christ’s sake! I’m just telling one person is a grifter and not to use her as a source of you want to get perspective of how a community feels

      I feel like I can slap a Trump sticker on turd and get you guys to defend turds

      I have plenty of problems with Democrats and race. There wouldnt be anything worth fighting for if one party one good and the other evil and all that was necessary was waiting for for politics to shift.

      When you protest discrimination, you aren’t protesting a political party or a politcal posture. You are protesting discrimination. It doesn’t matter who aligns themselves with it, whether it’s republicans or democrats

      But Owens saying that BLM is a terrorist group funded by democrats is what people want to beleive that don’t want to support BLM. And the fact that a black woman os saying it is the cherry on top of the bullshit sundae

      It’s a ridiculous thing to beleive that a community has to be politically sponsored terrorist to express discontent with what is going on around them. And you guys would know that if you were actually interacting with the community instead of posting YouTube clips or quoting talking heads.

      I got to say, discussing race on this blog – Maybe the least productive thing I can ever do. You guys just want to argue about stuff you are not actually exposing yourself to

  135. wyoming85 says:

    Telling me I’m to WHITE to understand the issues??????????

    WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s the left’s talking point, it plays right into identity politics, which is the real scam, just to get people to vote for them. Just like open borders. The left politicians don’t give a rat’s ass about any of the people they claim to stand for, nor the parts of the Constitution they are trying to change, the proof is in how they live their lives vs what they tell us we should do and think.

  136. ocalarob says:

    I agree that there is racial injustice in this country, but it comes in all walks. there are black people who kill whites as there are white people who kill blacks.
    Anarchy is not the solution.
    there is no easy solution, you deal with it case by case.

    Floyd was a thug!
    the cop that allegedly killed him; when convicted will be a murderer!

    that’s the truth and the truth shall set you free.

  137. Krishna says:

    “Too” WHITE, for the grammarians.

    I don’t think anyone said that.

    Sensitivity and awareness. Perhaps.

    If you can’t see racism in our country, you ate fucking clueless. That’s what this about. Any white who has had the “talk” is clueless or racist. Period.

    From the ramblings of a histrionic dipshit.

  138. Krishna says:


  139. Mike E. says:

    Wyo – Not sure what you’re shaking your head about. I was referring to your “bar” statement, that you don’t think you’re drinking with the same people Piggy is. That’s about it bud, just explaining who you might find in a NYC bar, nothing more, nothing less. Not sure what got you so excited about it.

    • wyoming85 says:

      Well he’s a single lawyer.
      I’m a married construction worker.

      I don’t see many single lawyers in the bars I go to!

      • Mike E. says:

        OK, that’s fair. I have no idea who goes to the bars you frequent in Texas and wouldn’t even hazard a guess. Do married lawyers drink there? 😉

  140. steveccnv says:

    Changing sides once doesn’t make you a grifter.

    Changing sides on issues after 30 years to fit the current narrative makes you Joe biden.

    Mr tough guy pushup challenger can’t even stand up, let alone do a pushup.

  141. ocalarob says:

    if Biden is elected president he will be impeached by the same method the left tried to use against Trump, The right has already stated this. what the left did at the impeachment trials is a slippery slope.

    in Biden’s case there is rock solid proof unlike the lies they tried against Trump.

    I doubt Biden will get elected, Trump for another 4 years.

    and guess what happens after that?

    our first woman president, she now resides as Senior Advisor to the President,

    That’s right! Ivana in 2024!

    she’s got my vote!

  142. wyoming85 says:

    I don’t know how to say this delicately, but it’s obvious to me that when a lot of people on this blog talk about issues that affect minorities, they don’t actually know any.

    Piggy this is the condescending statement that I took offense too.

    As I told Mike above.

    Your a single lawyer.
    I’m a married construction worker.

    I don’t see many single lawyers in the bars I go to!

  143. ocalarob says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 12, 2020 at 10:19 am
    AKA the truth?

    The Flying Pig says:
    June 12, 2020 at 10:20 am
    But it’s a false sense of a security

    The word “but” at least tells me that in a certain way you think there is truth in what she said.
    baby steps (trotters)

    in a few years you may be wearing a Tua jersey and a MAGA hat

  144. Krishna says:

    LOL, from the histrionic dipshit!

    Prevalent from the people who are oppressed??? WTF are you saying. It sounds racist and ignorant me.

    • steveccnv says:

      Your last 2 words say it all. Ignorant you. White people that come out with this holier than though BS…

    • steveccnv says:

      You sound like a brainwashed product of liberal schooling. No where in the world is this type of shit prevalent, but here, from our great dem party.

      • Krishna says:

        So good at capturing others mistakes, but can’t look in a mirror. You are out of touch, ignorant, and a racist. So obvious.,..

        If don’t think I’m calling you as racist…..you are clueless. Straight up, I am, and you are disgusting to me.

  145. Krishna says:

    I can never follow blogs/discussions as they go to fast for my thumbs. Needless to say there is racism, ignorance, and defense of both on this blog. It’s obvious who you are steveccnv.

  146. wyoming85 says:

    Mike E. says:
    June 12, 2020 at 11:09 am
    OK, that’s fair. I have no idea who goes to the bars you frequent in Texas and wouldn’t even hazard a guess. Do married lawyers drink there? 😉
    Older couples that Like to 2-step

    • wyoming85 says:

      If I go hang out with the guys after work. I can tell you, not many of us white folks in that crowd!

      • Krishna says:

        Go hang out with guys and tell the truth. It’s called xourage.

      • Krishna says:

        Fair enough and as it should be. What a concept of a white guy living amongst “coloreds” when “coloreds” live amongst white guys their whole life. Kudos.

  147. Krishna says:

    ^too. Before I’m corrected by worldly, pseudo intellectual bullshit.

  148. ocalarob says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 12, 2020 at 10:56 am
    No one thinks there isn’t racism in this country, but it’s as prevalent on the black side as it is on the white side.
    i had a guy tell me black people can’t be racist?
    i questioned that? why cant a black person be racist?


  149. Krishna says:


  150. wyoming85 says:

    Krishna says:
    June 12, 2020 at 11:24 am
    Go hang out with guys and tell the truth. It’s called xourage.(I’m assuming you meant courage?)
    I’m not sure what you mean?
    If you think that I don’t go drinking with them your wrong!
    If you think we haven’t had the same discussions that we have on this board your wrong!

    I don’t let anybody pigeon hole me into a label!

    And for Piggy to think because I’m a white conservative that I don’t have friends of all races particularly lite my fuse!

    I don’t categorize anyone until I know them!
    So please don’t categorize me!

    • Krishna says:

      Fair enough, and I am wrong to categorize.

      I have reached out multiple times to connect with you face to face. We are close enough geographically to make that happen, imo.

      • wyoming85 says:

        Don’t get up you way to much.
        going through SA to Junction is about as close as I get.

        Next time your around Houston tell me!
        I’m in Galveston working during the week!

      • Krishna says:

        Is there a Dolphins’ game in Texas this year? If so, let’s do it . Is there something nearby, I’m there too.

      • Krishna says:

        Let me say this more clearly. If there is a Dolphin game you can go to, I can, too.

      • wyoming85 says:

        No game in Houston this year.
        I was thinking of the New Orleans Pre-season game?

        But there is a lot up in the air right now!

      • Krishna says:

        If we can, I want to.

      • wyoming85 says:

        WEEK 4 · Thu 09/03 · 8:00 PM EDT


        New Orleans Saints

  151. wyoming85 says:

    • Krishna says:

      That sounds cool! Let’s do it! Do you want me to try and get tickets? If so where? We can do a sidebar and figure this out.

      • wyoming85 says:

        I think the pre-season games are still up in the air? 2 or 4? Don’t know which ones will get cancelled if any??

        I’m waiting on another person to decide if they are in or not also.

        We at least should wait until the Pre season is locked down?

  152. steveccnv says:

    You’re a typical hardcore leftist, that thinks anyone that doesn’t think like you and is white is a racist, water off of a ducks back.

    What you say hear means nothing, your head is so far up your ass.

    Visit any other country and tell them how you feel about white people in the U.S., excluding globalists, and they’ll laugh in your face, because they know what an idiot you are. Hoodwinked by leftist politicians and somehow believe the BS they’re feeding you. It’s really sad how ignorant someone can be.

    • Krishna says:

      The ignorant displays ignorance…LOL.

      • steveccnv says:

        There’s a Radmussen poll out that asked blacks, whites and Hispanics, if they thought blacks, whites and Hispanics were racist. Blacks were overwhelmingly voted to be the most racist, by each group, including blacks themselves.

      • Krishna says:

        There is prejudice in the entire world. Isn’t that the point of this discussion?

        When will there be 1 love? Oops, sorry for histrionic dipshit comment.

        It starts at home. Look in the mirror.

      • steveccnv says:

        Yes, the world would be a better place, if everyone got along, but that’s never going to happen. Trying to disgrace people, because they don’t want what you want doesn’t help anything.

        I’m not in an anti-racist fight like you seem to be, and that’s fine, if that’s what you want to do, just don’t berate me, because of it. I think we need police reform, but not a defunding of the police. I believe in the law and don’t like it when politicians are corrupt or looters take advantage of innocent protestors and the rest of us. I hate media bias, it’s a dangerous thing for this country, as we’re now seeing with what the Obama admin did.

  153. sb7mvp says:

    There are too many old people in this world and not enough adults.

  154. wyoming85 says:

  155. stangerx says:

    Son — “Howie never showed” is right up there with “Scotty doesn’t know.” lol. I’m glad your lovely got the box….. and sounds like an awesome one.

    Has anyone actually met Howie? Cause I’d never even heard he passed by at one of the early Fests. Miss the dude though.

  156. stangerx says:

    After having now read today’s posts — my comment is that you are all good guys. Reminds me of why my parents said never talk politics or religion at a dinner party. Some things even good folks will never agree on….. and gets’em going too if discussed.

    • TOP SECRET says:

      that was before the LEFT “openly” wanted this once great country destroyed ……….. some of us find it difficult to witness the end of America without saying something.

    • stangerx says:

      My best hope is Trump resigns and Pence is the next Pres. Absent that will be voting Biden. We could go into it….. but think about me like one of the NeverTrumpers on the Lincoln Project.

  157. bookman11 says:

    They crossed the line when they pulled “Gone With The Wind” because of racial insensitivities……..where in the world does this shit end?

  158. bookman11 says:

    I read a comment the other day (not on here), that I thought was pretty interesting and funny, given the “I am offended by everything” era we seem to be in. It was something like: “we will know when we are progressing towards people not being offended by anything when “Blazing Saddles” is just thought of as a funny movie.

    I agree with this comment.

  159. bookman11 says:

    Have reruns of All in the Family been pulled from TV yet?……wait for it………..wait for it……

    • stangerx says:

      I don’t even know if they are still out there, but imagine that show on a network today. Would have to include in a science fiction novel.

      • bookman11 says:

        They are still shown on some networks, I watch it from time to time. I have to search Spectrum to find it…..was on a few months ago daily on one of the networks, but who knows now.

      • stangerx says:

        I’m surprised — can’t even find MASH on Uverse. That show and the Jeffersons never really caught on with me though. For whatever reason. Can say cause was young, but not when watch the repeats either. Cheers…. now we are talking (and can’t find that either).

  160. bailbondmike says:

    Go ahead and blow me up but I do think this racial tension is being fueled by the far left. It is a tragedy and the cop deserves max sentence IMO but there are those who are exploiting this incident and making things much worse to make Trump look bad and don’t give a rats ass about George Floyd. In 2016, Trump only captured 8% or so of the black vote. By the end of 2019, Trump was pushing a 34.5 percent approval rating among black voters including a January Gallup poll reporting a 14 percent increase in satisfaction over race relations among Americans. The Dems saw this. First they stirred shit up with how Trump was handling COVID-19 including starting an investigation to how the admin was handling it. Now they jumped on this incident. I was having a beer with my next door neighbor this week who is black. She said she is going to vote for Trump cause she sees what is going on. She was a Democrat her whole life and now feels taken for granted, manipulated, and lied to by Democrats. Says she knows the dems are not going to fix this problem with law enforcement and race relations. Says they are just going to make more false promises and make the president look bad just to grab votes. Her words, not mine. She hopes more black people wake up. I won’t go on about what she said about the rioter and looters. She did say those people don’t give a damn about Floyd and would steal a 100 dollar bill from their own momma given the chance.

    • stangerx says:

      BBM — if I was you wouldn’t even worry about it. Not cause you aren’t a real smart guy but cause your vote doesn’t count. Lived places where it did and where it didn’t. Us FLA folks count….. but also means we are gonna get hit with calls till November real bad.

      But yeah the left sees the whole racial justice angle as an angle. Just like Trump is going with the whole Law & Order thing.

    • bailbondmike says:

      I’m not a smart guy, but I am not stupid either. LOL

      • stangerx says:

        BBM — you are crafty and fun as anything. Sorry if too many negatives and turns on that one (cause didn’t end up with you stupid). But point was sometimes your vote doesn’t count. When live in Washington (NOVA) the GOP didn’t even put up a candidate for congress.

    • bailbondmike says:

      I meant to add to that first post that if my neighbor can change her mind and her views on the Democratic Party then why can’t Candace Owens. Georgia State Rep. Vernon Jones (Democrat) has said the same things as Owens and has endorsed Trump for re-election. I guess he is not allowed to change his views either.

  161. Mike E. says:

    Bookman – Little Rascals can’t be too far behind All in the Family

  162. son of a son of a shula says:

    Howie is the same age as Ken, me and BBM. Howies the youngest, his birthday is 12/1 like Piggs. Me and BBM are 5 days apart (I’m older lol) and Ken’s is Tax day.

  163. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stanger, BBM is in the panhandle his vote counts, need a big turnout from his county.

    • stangerx says:

      My bad — thought he was from MS off the panhandle. Maybe my ego is too big these years on my vote counting. Sure didn’t in CT or Mass.

  164. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stanger, Virginia is a swing state you’re votes mattered for a while but more so down here.

    • stangerx says:

      Didn’t matter when I was there as far as the Pres election went at least. But heck yeah times have changed there.

  165. son of a son of a shula says:

    Bookman, I remember you said you were in Toilet Paper, you don’t by chance work in the fuzzy math department do you?


    Good gig if you are.


  166. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, thank god we have the benevolent, conservative right looking out for us against the malevolent, liberal left and their evil schemes. Muahaha…

    Today’s blog rally brought to you by:

    “Trump 2020 – Despite the constant negative press, covfefe. It’s not a slogan, it’s a lifestyle. Trump 2020 – coming this fall to a kind and white charitable nation near you, there is no escape.”

    • CavalierKong says:

      And just to be clear, I’m making a joke, not solving our national issues with a few well engineered sentences. If I’d desired to be a part of today’s wonderful conversation, I’d have posted something substantive instead of taking pot shots at Trump, lol.

    • stangerx says:

      Cav — what I don’t like is extremists….. left or right. But just you watch — whether if Trump loses this year or retires in 2024….. there will be a third party, a centrist one that I’ll be part of.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I would give my conservative right nut for a true centrist 3rd party that could get itself firmly entrenched into our political system. Ah, to dream…

      • stangerx says:

        Cav — WF Buckley used to come over to my parent’s house for dinner. Think he’d be with you and me on that one.

  167. bailbondmike says:

    Son, There is a large population of retired/former military in Escambia County who are huge Trump supporters. You see quite a few Trump 2020 flags around. Don’t remember seeing any Biden flags. Maybe one Biden bumper sticker. lol The Trump rally’s here in 2016 were massive.

  168. Tim Knight says:

    I’ll be 55 in July if that helps with the age thing.

  169. Mike E. says:

    As you get older, you find most young people are dicks . . . 😛

  170. CavalierKong says:

    Sheesh, no wonder the blog always smells like vitamins, Gold Bond medicated powder, and consists of people who can’t figure out why none of their grandchildren want to mow the lawn for a shiny new nickel. LOL

  171. TryPod says:

    Actually, as I get older, I find most old people are dicks…

  172. TryPod says:

    Finsmob Unleashed- where America goes to get the answers on how all problems could be solved if people would just do what middle aged white guys told them to do, now featuring a discussion on racial inequality, because hey- who knows more about racial inequality than middle-aged, knocking on social security’s door, white guys?

  173. Tim Knight says:

    None of the issues today that we’re all talking about is not about politics. It’s a human condition, not which party you vote for. Humans discriminate all over the world for all sorts of reasons. We just happen to be Americans in the great melting pot experiment. It’s not easy but we’ve come a long way, and yet not so much at the same time. I took a break the last week from blogging and social media because I’m sad and tired of it.

  174. TryPod says:

    I just find it funny that we are supposed to evolve and yet so many people dig their heels in against it.

  175. Randy says:

    Anybody watch The Deuce on HBO? It’s about the prostitution, political, cops, mob situation in the ‘70s in NYC. I like it, but I wonder how accurate it is. I figure one of you know-it-all NYers would know. 😄

  176. bookman11 says:

    I am an old white guy: 57. My vote and opinions still matter, do says the constitution.

  177. bookman11 says:

    Son, I am stupid, I did not get your TP comment

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      The marketing on the packages. There’s a pack of Cottonelle in the house right now that says 12=48 with a small picture of 4 rolls supposedly equals one alleged giant roll. I see it on paper towels too. If they divided that wimpy ass roll into four it would be the tiniest rolls ever.

      • bookman11 says:

        Ahhh, ok. We don’t have shit like that. All of our stuff is away from home…not consumer. Kind of like 70 grit sandpaper… JK….. maybe

  178. TryPod says:

    Not the biggest fan of southern rock, but there are a few from these guys that I’ve always liked:

  179. manitobafinfan says:

  180. son of a son of a shula says:

  181. TryPod says:

    The way things are going right now, this song seems somewhat appropo:

  182. TryPod says:

    Another oldie I’ve always liked:

  183. manitobafinfan says:

  184. CavalierKong says:

    strangelhold ted nugent

  185. CavalierKong says:

    LMAO, I’ve (been drinking since 3 and am goo d and lit. I thought typing the name of song and artist in the post comment box would bring the video up

  186. TryPod says:

    If any of you are fans of double entendre and innuendo:

  187. manitobafinfan says:

  188. ocalarob says:

    All I can say is, just when you thought you had seen everything! chicago is in ruins , walmart there was destroyed,walmart along with other major stores said they wont be reopening there and the dem mayor is cheering these looters on!

  189. ocalarob says:

    What about the people who owned businesses in the CHAZ zone?

  190. ocalarob says:

    Reality is stranger than science fiction

  191. ocalarob says:

    I know for all you muscle head democrats it’s gonna take more than CHAZ to change your mind about current events. What if they turned dolphin stadium into a CHAZ zone, and wouldn’t let the games go on? I’m sure all these muscle head Dems would be in it uproar on this page. reality doesnt hit home unless you have something at stake. no way do i vote left!

  192. ocalarob says:

    I had seen Pelosi take a knee, that is very laughable, she’s just trying to get votes for the left that’s all that’s about. these dems dont give a rats ass about injustice . theyre just using the next crisis to land votes.

  193. ocalarob says:

    Let’s support looting and RIOTING because that will get us votes

  194. Mike E. says:

    LMAO @ Kong goo d and lit .

  195. ocalarob says:

    The democratic party is very apparent, they will stop at nothing to get into office. impeachment didnt work lets try covid and now social injustice.

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