Will Tua Tagovailoa start in 2020? A look at the last 15 years of the 2nd QB taken tells a story

2019 – Daniel Jones RD1 #6 (Kyler Murray #1)

2018 – Sam Darnold RD1 #3 (Baker Mayfield #1)

2017 – Patrick Mahomes RD1 #10 (Mitchell Trubisky #2)

2016 – Carson Wentz RD1 #2 (Jared Goff #1)

2015 – Marcus Mariota RD1 #2 (Jameis Winston #1)

2014 – Johnny Manziel RD1 #22 (Blake Bortles #3)

2013 – Geno Smith RD2 #22 (E.J. Manuel #16)

2012 – Robert Griffin III #2 (Andrew Luck #1)

2011 – Jake Locker RD1 #8 (Cam Newton #1)

2010 – Tim Tebow RD1 #25 (Sam Bradford #1)

2009 – Mark Sanchez RD1 #5 (Matthew Stafford #1)

2008 – Joe Flacco RD1 #18 (Matt Ryan #3)

2007 – Brady Quinn RD1 #22 (Jamarcus Russell #1)

2006 – Matt Leinart RD#1 #10 (Vince Young #3)

2005 – Aaron Rodgers RD1 #24 (Alex Smith #1)

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So that’s the list of the second QB drafted in each of the last 15 drafts. What’s sometimes more surprising than where they were taken is who was the QB drafted before them and where they were taken. Geno Smith as the second QB taken all the way at pick #54, and E.J. Manuel was the only 1st RD QB in 2013. Patrick Mahomes at #10 8 picks later than Mitch Trubisky eh? There were only 3 years where QB’s went #1 and #2, 2016, 2015 and 2012. Just so you know, I don’t believe this shows any more scientific evidence, but it’s interesting to look at the past, which sometimes reveals the future. I also understand that 15 years ago, the NFL was a different game than the 2020 version but the interesting thing is how much money these first round players were getting paid. We know it all changed after Sam Bradford was drafted #1 in 2010 and signed the most lucrative rookie contract ever in the NFL, 6 YR/$78M with $50M Guaranteed. Aaron Rodgers who slid to #24 in 2005 signed a 5 YR/$7.65M contract.

Let’s start from 2005 and we’ll work our way back to the present. Aaron Rodgers waited 3 full seasons before his 1st start with Brett Favre as the starter. Matt Leinart started after 5 games behind Kurt Warner and finished 4-7. Brady Quinn didn’t start until season 2 and started only 3 games behind Derek Anderson. Joe Flacco started immediately for a stacked Ravens team and went 11-5. Mark Sanchez started immediately for MTP and the Jets and finished 8-7. Tim Tebow started only 3 games but played a fair amount in 9 games although not necessarily as a passer. Jake Locker sat out his entire rookie season. RG III was damn well going to start after they traded a boatload of 1st RD picks for him and he was brilliant until he got injured. The only 2nd RD QB in this group, Geno Smith, started his entire rookie season but Matt Simms was their other QB (who?). Johnny Manziel started only 2 games and was just awful. Marcus Mariota started 12 games and played well but the Titans were pretty bad and they finished 3-9 in his starts. Carson Wentz started immediately and played well although the Iggles went 7-9. Patrick Mahomes started game 16 and won. He’s the guy I consider most similar with Tua. I’ll explain more later. Sam Darnold started 13 games, sat out the first 3 behind Josh McCown. Some may say this is the closest situation to Tua and Fitzpatrick and they might be right. Finally, Daniel Jones started after 4 games and played pretty well despite his 3-9 record.

Why do I think Tua/Fitzpatrick is most similar to Mahomes/Smith? I see 2 veteran QB’s who both have the respect of their HC. Fitzpatrick said it himself, he’ll help Tua in any way he can but Ryan Fitzpatrick wants to be the starting QB this season. Of course mitigating circumstances will no doubt affect how soon Tua starts and I’m not talking about Tua’s health, I’m talking the health of the nation and the Coronavirus pandemic. Having a virtual offseason is not doing Tua any favors. There are rumblings that teams may be able to start OTA’s in June but I fell that unless every single team and their respective states are able to open, that’s not going to happen. Cali is probably the linchpin because they are the least likely to be willing to open up and if they don’t, I don’t see any teams opening because you can’t have some teams working and others not, that takes away the whole parity theme the NFL is built on.

I’ve made it clear (w/o having any actual medical records for Tua) that I feel it would be best to let Ryan Fitzpatrick run this team and if there’s a point of the season where we’re out of it, and Tua is 100%, then I’m fine with giving him the reins, as long as the O-line isn’t a bunch of matadors. On the other hand, I really can’t imagine that he would start immediately, I think that would blow my mind. I want to see what Tua can do, I’m excited that we have arguably the most talented QB in this draft and the most talented QB we’ve had over the last 21 years since Dan Marino left the building. Still, I can’t help but feel that after that devastating hip injury, time will be Tua’s friend. We have so many new faces on our team and we could conceivably have 4-5 new starters on our O-line. Jackson LT, Flowers LG, Karras C, Hunt RG and Davis RT, that’s 4. Plug Kindley in at RG and Hunt at RT that’s 5. Think they might take some time to jell? I don’t want our new QB subjected to that kind of situation, no sir!

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, let em rip!

GO DOLPHINS!!!

#staythecourse

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  1. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    I think this past week is going to determine how things go with crowds. If no spike in cases, then things will open rapidly.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Every team is in the same boat for the most part. What say you about the makeup of the team on paper, currently and potentially?

  2. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    New Age,

    I dig that shirt, man. My wife has a Bob Ross bobble head and a heat sensitive coffee mug, lol. Next time I need a gift idea for her, I’m getting her that shirt or the closest thing to it. Cheers 🙂

  3. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

      Just being a smart ass, but does that mean he sucks because he can’t get separation on his routes? LOL

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        That certainly plays into it, but I’m not sure he really tries that hard to shake his defender in man coverage. I think he focuses more like a basketball player getting position on the low block. In other words he keeps the defender on his hip opposite of where the ball should be thrown, then extends out to get the ball. When there’s 2 or more defenders he elevates and high points the ball.

        A couple of years ago watching Alshon Jeffries destroy us the same way in a preseason game, I thought that style was great, very hard to defend. We all saw the way Parker made Gillmore look our last game.

        It’s hard enough to defend him in double coverage, then throw in Preston who’s doing the same thing. What are you going to do double them both and let Gesicki, Wilson, Hurns, Grant and the RBs run free?

        Also makes for good redzone play, since that style works in a phone booth.

        Throw in a little blocking and you the the makings for an explosive offense, without having to cheat on every big down with the rub routes.

  4. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    The over and under for us this year is 6 games. so what do you have the over or the under?

  5. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    seems to me like we have improved more than one win from last years squad,the thing is all these new parts especially on the ol need time to learn and work as a team, i sure hope we are better than 6-10 this year.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Being one game better doesn’t exactly translate in the W/L column, because the schedule may be harder. Last year we played an easy schedule that fell into place nicely with teams not having there starting QBs like jets and Colts. We also played everyone that drafted top 6 except Detroit and ourselves, NE wasn’t the championship contender week 17 like they had been…

  6. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    I don’t know how many games we’ll win, because there’s too many variables that go into the scheduled games.

    What I can say is we look to be a good 5 games better on paper. In years past we’ve needed 2 OL and that’s how many we added only to see one of them not perform well and 2 or 3 others get hurt. We’re better equipped to handle that this year with all the depth.

    It doesn’t stop there either LB, DL, CB all have more top to bottom depth than I can remember, not sure about safety, since the top depth isn’t there.

    The question will be how long it takes to get the execution we had the last 9 games.

  7. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    The big eye opener last year was the Cin. game, allowing them to come back. You can only go so far with the scheme, at some point you actually need a couple of CBs that can cover.

    NE was also able to go up and down the field on us in the 2nd half, we won, because we basically had the ball last.

  8. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    I guess we’ll find out soon how well the team Zooms.

  9. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Peter King has the Bucs as the #4 team in the NFL, with the Chiefs at #1, Ravens at #2 and the Saints at #3

  10. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    The Bucs are pretty stacked on the offense. If Brady throws 10 less TD’s but has 20 less turnovers than Winston the Bucs win a few more games. Evans, Godwin, Gronk, Howard and Brate.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      You’re assuming Brady is also going to throw for 5K yards? With risk reward follows sometimes as it did with Winston.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Yardage doesn’t mean all that much. If they turn the ball over 20 less times from the QB position they won’t need 5000 yards to win.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        If Brady throws 10 less TD’s but has 20 less turnovers than Winston the Bucs win a few more games.

        This statement to me assumes all else stays the same.

        Brady had a lot of late game comebacks, because of their D. When trailing late they’d go to the cover0, which forced their opponents hand and got lots of 3 and outs.

        I remember many times where the cheats would have 3 possessions in the last like 6 minutes and score finally on the last possession and win. That doesn’t happen without the Belicheat D, which I don’t expect Tampa to use.

  11. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Steve – Winston had 30 INT’s and 9 fumbles lost. That’s outrageous. That might be a single season record for TO’s for a QB

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      I don’t think everything else has to stay the same, I think they will be a methodical and balanced offense, they won’t be throwing the ball all over the place wildly.

  12. olddolphan's avatar olddolphan says:

    JUST RETURNED from taking my wife to a follow-up appointment at the same medical facility where an older patient refused to wear a face mask last week (until I threatened to call the police).
    Today, there were even more patients at this facility. But all of them were wearing masks. “Good news travels fast,” said Mrs. OD!!

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      My initial interpretation of not wearing a mask is fuck you, I could care less, if I give it to you. Now that I’ve been exposed and are likely not able to give it to others, I have a different opinion.

      For those that have been exposed and can’t give it to someone else, I think it’s ok not to wear a mask.

      I still wear a mask, because I’m not positive I can’t spread it, but how do I know there’s not others out there that are sure they can’t spread it? For that reason I won’t pass judgement on those not wearing a mask individually.

      Now, when I go out and 50% of the people aren’t wearing a mask, I’m sure the large % of them fall into the category of FU I don’t care, if I give it to you group.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      LOL OD — you threatened to call the police? Don’t believe it. You are the most mellow guy there is. 🙂

  13. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Dolphins have met with the mayor of Miami and discussed fans at the games.

    One thing that can make things work is the ability to control fans more than they can at a Costco for example.

    What I mean is fans at a game, may only be season ticket holders and/or group ticket sales people, if they don’t follow the social distancing rules they can be ejected and have their season tickets revoked or their group unable to purchase future group tickets (or some other type of punitive action).

    Signs and/or recordings could be all over the stadium. Social distance or else you’re subject to ejection…

    One way aisles where possible. Bathrooms may be a challenge, but not if there’s only 25% or 50% capacity.

  14. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    I was unaware of protests here until I saw something online, but this is a different place for BS like looting, because the cops don’t take any crap here.

    What I mean is this town is run by the casinos, unlike the cities run by politicians, so when rioters go to the strip, they get a stern warning from the cops, then if they don’t back down they’ll be sorry.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      Growing up we were taught in Sac to never take chances with the cops in Nevada because they do not f#$% around.

      As a young adult, anytime we took a trip into Tahoe or Reno we even left the weed at home. I don’t know if the tales were apocryphal or not since I personally never had a run in with one, but because of the stories we’d heard we took that shit to heart, lol.

      • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

        Always stayed on the CA when we went to Tahoe.
        Nevada was off limits! Lol

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Yep, in South Lake Tahoe the border runs literally through the middle of town. When we stayed there we’d always get a cheap hotel on the CA side so we could bring our party favors, lol.

  15. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I can’t believe how high people are on the bucs

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Prediction: They will disappoint

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Might just be wishful thinking on your part and jockstrap carrying stuff from those high on him.

        After Jordan finished playing they showed some footage of referees calling him Mr. Jordan and asking him for swag before his games they were getting ready to referee.

        Could be a similar thing with reporters that may interview him this year, if they don’t kiss his ass now, they may not get the interview during the season.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        He is physically not the same player. It was starting to show last year

  16. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Why is it that there is only ONE news story on any day? I have a vague memory for childhood when there were only three channels that the “news” would have 10 stories and those would change day to day. Now there are 50 “news” channels, but only one story at a time. WTF?

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      All the mainstream media outlets, 6 corporations control the narrative, use the same talking points. It’s no big surprise.

  17. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Piggy – The Bucs were a good team last year but Winston was freaking turnover machine. 39 turnovers from the QB position. How the hell can you win with that? You know historically Brady doesn’t do that, so by that alone they will be better. They have talent on that roster, they just need someone to run that offense more efficiently. Why do you think Brady chose to go there? Think about that

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      Plus, this is not just a little thing, they have 3 damn good TE’s in Gronk, Howard and Brate. They drafted slot receiver Tyler Johnson, added Tristan Wirfs at RT and drafted Ke’Shawn Vaughn at RB. You know Brady will run Arians offense well.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      The Bucs do have a lot of weapons on offense. But Brady struggled throwing the ball down the field last year. Not just because his WRs weren’t that good overall, his passes looked off. We’ll see.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        He’s got those big receivers in Evans and Godwin plus the aforementioned TE’s. He’ll be alright. I hate him, but he’ll run that offense much more carefully and efficiently than Winston did

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        It’s a vertical offense though, not dink and dunk.

      • New Age's avatar New Age says:

        I agree Mike. If Evans could get Johnny drafted in the first round, he can catch slightly off center Brady passes. If they can get on the same page early, they should be a spoiler PO team. Hell, having Gronk is the best safety valve in the NFL bar none.

  18. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I didn’t realize there’s a curfew in nyc tonight

  19. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Been married 29 years today!
    And she hasn’t killed me in my sleep yet! 😉
    Must be true Love????

  20. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Wyo – That’s pretty cool man – My 30th anniversary is Wednesday

    Happy Anniversary!

  21. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Weird how many of us are in this stretch of a few days…my wife and I will have been together 15 years on Thursday.

    Congrats, guys. 🙂

  22. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Congrats Wyo and the rest of you

    We just had our 33rd, and I’m still alive too!

    🍻💪💥

  23. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I’m celebrating too guys

    I’ve been on pornhub for two straight weeks

  24. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    The Dolphins sent the Saints the 48th and 116th overall picks for the 62nd and 202nd picks this year, plus a 2020 second-round pick.

    Miami acquired second-year quarterback Josh Rosen in exchange for a second-round selection, No. 62 overall, and a fifth-round choice next year.

    We basically gave up our 2nd and 4th in 2019 and got Rosen and Raekwon Davis, and some later round picks were exchanged. Seems like a fairly cheap gamble on a QB.

  25. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    what kills me about wearing a mask is you see these people walking around with the mask on their chin, not covering their nose and mouth.
    hell i had seen one guy who looked like he was making a fashion statement wearing his mask hanging off one ear dangling down.

    WTF is the point?

    • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

      I love the one ear mask-wearing fashion statement! Very cool.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Well if you pull it down for a second and pull it up when you are around people – that can work okay

      I see a lot of joggers doing that sort of thing

  26. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    I love the bible-holding photo-op in front of the church after forcing peaceful protesters to clear a path with mounted police, tear gas, and rubber bullets. Just fucking awesome!

    Now, that’s a fashion statement!

    I need to find a bible that I can hang around my neck. So cool.

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      I would suggest not swimming until an hour after you last looted! 😉

      • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

        Is that for me to hang around my neck while swimming? Lol…I’m game.

        To be CLEAR, no one was looting or throwing or being violent. Plenty of tape to show the facts of military-like action taken against peaceful protesters to get a photo-op with a bible in front of church.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      More than anything I’m surprised he didn’t burst into flames while holding the Bible

  27. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Ya’ll should read Flores’ full letter, if you haven’t.

    Leaders lead.

    Good thing Burrows wasn’t our #1 pick.

    Is PTSD the same as TDS?

    My asshole and dick sides are coming out. LOL…time to medicate.

  28. TryPod's avatar TryPod says:

    Because of the crap going on around here, my friend’s husband is now acting police chief of Louisville:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/01/louisville-police-chief-fired/%3FoutputType%3Damp

  29. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Poppovich is on his high horse….oh my.

    And, I’ve started the medication process.

  30. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Happy A Kong and Sonny!

  31. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Nascar and F1 haven’t/might be stepping up.

  32. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Raekwon Davis is a sleeper. Adding him to Godchaux and Wilkins inside, with Ogbah and Lawson on the edges. The vet Van Noy as a versatile LB. Baker as a base/nickel LB. McMillan in the run game. Jones and Howard at corner. Rowe and McCain at safety. We have a lot of competition at safety and oh yeah… DB’s Igbinoghene 1st rd and Jones 3rd round kind of make this defense different. Needham who played well last year will once again have to fight for a role.

    Let’s not kid ourselves, we might be a top defense in 2020. Just saying! That’s who Flores is – you better play defense.

    • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

      I love defense and have sorely missed it as a recent Dolphin fan.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      The Bobby McCain spot is going to be an issue, unless Jones or Igbinoghene can step right in. I prefer Jones, and let Igbinoghene play Nickel and Bobby Dime.

      Jones at S, Igbinoghene at Nickel and Bobby at dime would make this D very solid.

      The only question will be can we create enough pressure on the QB. I see pressure by committee with lots of stunts.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I think in a normal offseason if Igbinoghene and Jones were impressing, we’d trade McCain. It seems like we have an overload in terms of snaps right now in the secondary.

    • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

      I think Flores will help our defense cover its weaknesses and maximize its strengths.

      We absolutely need pressure, up the middle, and edge. Hope the DL can do that this year. If so, I agree with Tim Knight. Not too concerned about the backside.

  33. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    I saw a new power poll out that had us at 23 and the cheats at 25😲

  34. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Another video was ranking the position groups in the AFC East, we were mostly 2nd and the cheats and jets were mostly 3 and 4.

    By talent alone I think the jets are the worst in the division, but tge cheats are giving them a run for their money.

    Belicheat will counter much of tge talent deficit, but not at QB and WR.

  35. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    I think to Tim Knight’s point about Davis, I think, he has some good player role models to help him be the best. Wasn’t it Saban said if his production could match potential? Something like that.

    It could be an awesome line!

  36. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    TRUE:

    • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

      Only meant to post the Reply with the “You can be here”

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        I’m there. I don’t think the police system is any more corrupt than any other government run organization. I’d say our education system is more corrupt than the police system to be honest.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        I think it depends on the jurisdiction, but the problem here is a systematic problem and not a question of one bad apple

        It’s not a great idea to talk about police policies, which vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, in one swoop

        The videos i have seen on twitter over the last few days show a lot of problematic police actions and fundamental problems in how they police, so I think it’s pretty widespread but I do think some jurisdictions have better techniques than others

        It’s not just the murder of one man that requires justice, in my opinion, it’s some wholesale changes to the way policing is done

        It’s hard to be in the middle of you take the position that the Most police systems are structurally corrupt

        So many things flow from that (if you believe it’s the issue)

        Of course looting isn’t going to address that issue and is pointless (not to mention illegal) but…

        I’m pretty confident looters will be prosecuted if they are caught

        I’m not confident that what police have done over the last few days will be

        I have real concerns over how police are responding to legitimate 1st amendment expression. Suppressing that speech is the antithesis of what our country is

        I consider that a much greater priority than call vocalizing how upset I am about looters

        So the fact that I don’t mention looting in the same breathe as I do widespread policing inadequacies doesn’t mean I think it’s okay to loot…lol

        But I think the place we are in now on terms of the police and their practices needs immediate attention

        I really don’t want protests to stop until there are some fundamental changes to policing – and we don’t look close to that even if one officer is tried and convicted for one action

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      I like it!

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Rock you nailed it. It seems like the overwhelming majority of people can be here, the problem is the interest groups. You have the anarchists and left (politicians and MSM) that like the looting and rioting, you have the cops and their cronies that like the good ole boys club that doesn’t prosecute cops, and you have most political leaders that don’t want anything to change. That’s a little rough description, but those in power want status quo.

      The people want change, but since there’s so many different groups pulling people in different directions you end up getting the people distracted from the issue at hand and fighting amongst themselves, causing nothing to get fixed.

      The people need to unite, stop the looting and rioting and get something done to fix this issue once and for all.

      • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

        You lost me as soon as you said “left”. WTF?

        Apparently, you did not understand the diagram.

      • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

        All extremes exist. It’s not right or left. It’s about being HUMAN.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Saying the left, I was referring to Antifa, a paid group brought in to cause destruction and chaos.

  37. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  38. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Is anyone else having problems seeing the blog page properly? Started this morning with the picture being oversized and now the formatting for the site is completely screwed up from my computer no matter which browser I use. I can’t even get to the comments on the computer It had to change to my phone

  39. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rocko – No problem here, I’m on my work PC, it looks normal

  40. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

      Is he a Hall of Famer?
      If he is then Zach is getting totally screwed.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        If Kuechly is in the HOF and Zach isn’t, that would be totally unfair. Zach did it for 13 years at a high level while Kuechly played 8.

  41. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Rock, I’d say clear your browser and restart or perhaps you accidentally zoomed in go back to 100%.

  42. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Krishna – Did you try turning your phone horizontally? You also may be zoomed in too much like Sonny just mentioned.

  43. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    ^now

  44. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Uh oh….chris long just opened his mouth. Yikes.

  45. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Stanger is having problems seeing the blog

  46. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Been wondering when all the white guys would show. I’m fucking ducking. STfU, Krishna!

  47. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I think the issue is with Chrome interacting with some of the sites. I can’t see any articles on USA today’s page either. It’s basically like there is no formatting on the page at all, cut text. I’m at home now and it is fine from Firefox. It is fine from Iphone too. Just had problems with it from Chrome browser today. Hmmmmm

    All good now. (firefox at home)

  48. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    There was an entertaining montage of players mic’d up at the end of today’s NFL Live. The kept showing Jerome Baker (interspersed with other player clips) saying, Where is my Mommy? I been looking for my Momma dis whole game. where is my momma!!? Yeah, I’m looking for my Momma bro, I can’t see her…..I found my Momma. LOL it was a mash up of different games too because his uniform changed. It was funny. They also caught Christian Wilkins talking trash with John Jerry (with Bengals) saying “Oh yeah, you were about to get it” as the play was stopped and Jerry replies “You about to get this” and Wilkins says, acting like a little girl, “NO! Don’t say that!” I’m not scared of you!” with his hands on his hips like a pugnacious little girl. Funny

  49. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    In the Chan Gailey O I hear the FB doesn’t have much of a role. Just watched an Eagles long TD run by Sanders. Guess who his lead blocker was?

    The writing us on the wall Cox.

  50. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I just read an article about how the Eagles are sorry they let Howard go. That play was mentioned.

  51. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    I got an idea?
    Shoot the ones throwing bricks and bottles with florescent pain balls!

    They should be a lot easier to identify!

    • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

      White asshole

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Don’t worry – they just shoot everyone instead and you’ll get a few people who vandalized

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        Did they burn Slattery’s down yet?

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        Nothing is burned down except the brain cells Of the average fox viewer….lol

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        And yet the MSM and their Sheeple have no shame in the looting they’re promoting. And there’s politicians doing the same.

        All the FDup cities in the country are under left leadership, and are under attack, and their leaders are organizing the protests. I get why the left is doing it, but why are the sheeple that aren’t looting doing it. I guess sheeple explains it.

        The people looting, that I’ve seen aren’t organized by a party, they are opportunists that care as much about George as they do about any other person killed on the streets of some of our “finest” cities.

  52. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    (Peeking around the corner of the blog to make sure Wyo isn’t going to kill me)
    It was a joke I forgot the lol

  53. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Krishna, this white guy thing falls on deaf ears for me. I don’t think like that and I’m friendly with anyone. I’m tired of being told how to think and what I don’t understand. I wish I had more melanin. 😉

    Covid threw us all for a loop. The riot shit is nothing new and it’s always been stupid.

  54. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    I guess I can stop yelling at people for not social distancing.
    That’s obviously not a thing anymore.

    • TryPod's avatar TryPod says:

      All you really can do is watch out for yourself. I’m in no hurry to return to restaurants or other gathering places, though I really do miss going out to eat.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Have you seen some of the covid19 fees some of these restaurants are adding to people’s bills?

      • TryPod's avatar TryPod says:

        No sir, I haven’t heard of that- though I did read yesterday that dentists are charging a $10-20 “facility cleaning fee” that insurance is not wanting to cover.

  55. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Ya Piggy! I thought I saw Sean Hannity with some shoe boxes?????????

    Or maybe this is just the norm in NY??????

    • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

      Is that Tucker Carlson smashing the window during this peaceful protest?

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Hannity isn’t the guy who is smashing windows

      He’s just the guy conflating these images with images of peaceful protestors
      So that His audience believe it’s much more severe than it ever was and we can gas peaceful protestors

      Now I have to listen to people who aren’t anywhere near these events tell me “good” when peaceful protestors are gassed and hit with rubber bullets…or they shouldn’t be there…or they should stay home

      Fox eats this stuff up

  56. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    This might be the worst written and most misleading article I’ve ever seen.

    During Super Bowl 54, we saw a Kansas City team lead by 2018 NFL MVP Patrick Mahomes and long time NFL Head coach Andy Reid. When looking at the numbers using PFF, nothing is too exciting about their team grades. Their overall team grade of 84.1 (12 overall) is above average. Their 80.6 Offensive grade (6 overall) is impressive, but their Team Defensive grade of 62.6 (25 overall) cries a need to improve.

    So, what gave Kansas City the edge? In my opinion, faith. Faith in coach and quarterback. There is no better display of this than during the 2019 NFL playoffs when the Texans and Chiefs faced off against the Houston Texans at Arrowhead Stadium. Houston went up 21-0 in the 1st quarter. But a calm Chiefs team had the belief that quarterback and coach were enough to get back in the game. Not only did Kansas City get back in the game but ended up winning by 20 points 51-31.

    This past season, Miami did not wow on the stat sheet. Our leading rusher was Ryan Fitzpatrick, a quarterback not known for being mobile. Our Overall team grade of 59.0 (Dead last), Offensive Grade of 62.5 (30 overall) and defensive grade of 53.8 (Dead last) doesn’t seem like we did anything to build off of to give the team faith in coach Flores. But the 2019 Miami Dolphins did just that.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Besides the obvious Titans/Texans mistake, I’m pretty sure it’s not faith in coach and QB that makes the Chiefs great.

      It’s well known now why our OC was fired, but apparently not for this Fansided hack. The 0-7 start had as much to do with the complicated O as the lack of talent. When a team has a 2nd half like we did, after the worst start in NFL history, only to have some guy promoting some BS theory backed by full season stats…I mean WTF, does he expect anyone to buy this crap?

  57. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    The article keeps giving.

    Their first win against the Colts was a good jumping-off point, But their 2nd win gave the team hope for the future. During the Dolphins week 12 matchup against an Eagles team fighting to stay in the playoff race, a one-win Miami team fought, clawed, and did everything they could to beat the Eagles.

  58. TryPod's avatar TryPod says:

    In other news concerning the NFL:
    https://apple.news/AyMcN0bkgSPCsQ5llUPkugA

  59. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  60. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Ya Fox is the problem?
    I believe a firm distrust for them all is appropriate!

  61. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    Due to COVID-19 we need everyone to riot at home and destroy your own shit!

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      There’s no shit where I AM.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        There was a litter cleanup campaign back in the 70s, and in the commercial the lady says there’s no trash where I AM, meaning she litters in someone else’s space, not her own.

        Same thing here, while it might be in their town, it’s not in their space.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Im not vacuuming in protest

  62. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      They call him an interior DL, yet he played a lot on the outside, but to me anyway you can get pressure from a 3-4 line counts.

      Wait until he gets a little help this year, but I want high team pressures not a few guys getting a lot, and the rest not much. This is how belicheat does it, so it keeps the salaries down (plug and play affect) somewhat. That’s another reason I don’t like Fins to make the PB.

  63. TryPod's avatar TryPod says:

    It’s not just ANTIFA , or the “left”:
    https://apple.news/ACaKa98EmSq2HN-saVX4J1w

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      I mentioned that the other day, but referred to them as anarchists. Not sure what their involvement is in the riots and looting, but I know their leaders like it.

      The difference is the leaders on the right, like Rubio denounce these guys, while those on the left never denounce antifa (who isn’t anti fascist) or any other far left group.

      On MSM they show mostly whites looting, and on Fox News they show mostly blacks looting.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      There’s are lot of that too

      There a clip of police laying bricks out in Boston

      There are a few arrests of white supremecists

      It’s worth mentioning though, that every time I’ve ever been to a protest, fringe groups with their own agenda do show up

      I think there are leftists groups doing it too. A lot of people try to hijack protests
      But it’s exactly why we shouldn’t generalize who is doing what though. Some are just anarchists – and I don’t think anarchy is a legit political side

      More Importantly though, we have laws in place when some one commits a crime against property or a person. People are being arrested and they will have criminal charges to answer to

      So I’m not going to be angry about every crime I see a clip of that some one might have to answer to in court. The punishment is there – there are always idiots and morons, there always will be

      But I don’t think I can say that about wholesale changes to how we police
      That requires policy changes

      And there will be a battle over those changes between politicians

      I’m just saying – keep your eye on the ball if you think what occurred to George Floyd was wrong

  64. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    WY

    If you want to match videos of police brutality with videos of Vandalism
    I’m all for it
    Just say the word

    I think it’s going to pull down the blog to an ugly rabbit hole, but by no means, do I think every video of vandalism deserves to be the focus of America’s attention

    There are a ton of videos available of police attacking peaceful protestors and a ton of accounts of what they did – and I’m taking about after Memorial Day

    Yes Fox News is a problem
    The other news agencies (which you guys will call for fake news unless they flatter your point of view) are acknowledging a looting problem but Fox News and the right is going to weaponize it. It’s this weeks new “Caravans are coming to the border”

    Instead of systematic change to prevent police brutality, the response to protests against police brutality is going to be more police brutality if Fox has its way

    People know the looting exist, it’s not that it’s not occurring or not real. Bit It’s irresponsible for us as Americans to prioritize window smashing over police excessive force

    We have a 1st amendment and an equal protection clause and they are all being usurped before our eyes

    But Fox News is going to tell you NYC is a Warzone and police need to be allowed to do their jobs

    These events should be exposing Americans to systematic problems within the police force and instead people are trying to use it as an excuse to give them more control and less accountability – tucker Carson says in no uncertain words in the clip I posted “no one is going to want to be police” and then lawlessness will come to your town. That’s an agenda driven commentary that says – let the police do their jobs.

    It’s not okay to use tear gas on American citizens. It’s not okay to use rubber bullets. You are going to get nonviolent people caught in the crossfires

    I care more about the lives of people who are at risk and the lives we’ve lost than vandalism
    I care more about our first amendment right to assemble than vandalism
    Those are where my priorities are

    But if you are focusing on vandalism porn, you are going to miss the point of the bigger problem that we have the ability to correct

    The solution to criminals, including looters, is to prosecute them under the law
    If they are catching video of people doing it – it will probably be a huge asset

    Right now it’s, not ideal – bc One problem we have in nyc right now, is that people aren’t reporting it as it occurs bc they can’t
    Bc people aren’t out to dinner like they used to bc of the closings and now there is a curfew too
    That’s making it difficult to catch criminals in the act

    But I do think if they catch people – the system is in place to prosecute them, on the other hand….

    The solution to a police force which is out of control and militarized is much more complicated
    And requires policy changes and advocacy

    So if you think there are injustices by the police or ever were
    My recommendation is to take a break from the vandalism clips and keep your eye on the ball
    People are still demanding change

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      So you’re ok with the BS opportunistic vandalisers, that ruin innocent peoples lives, more than you are with the police using rubber bullets and tear gas, unbelievable.

      The cops should be using more force, than they are. It’s not Ok to burn, riot and loot. It’s also not Ok to use excessive force, but if the looting wasn’t there, there wouldn’t be any excessive force.

      There’s no innocent bystanders in these protests. They’ve said there peace now get off the streets before more lives are ruined.

      Think about the innocent people with stores that may be ready to retire, now their whole life is turned upside down, because of these opportunists.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        I bet you’d change your tune, if your life was turned upside down from the looting.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        What would my tune be? To vent about vandalism on the internet?

        I don’t think so. I would expect the police to take action if they can stop that bc that’s their job. I would expect anyone caught to be prosecuted. And I would sue the individuals and fight with my insurance about converge and try to make sure I end up okay financially when it’s said and done

        My tune is no different

        I wouldn’t conflate vandalism with protests

        There doesn’t have to be a change of tune for anyone in terms of property damage
        It’s already illegal.

        Fox News focusing on things that get an emotional reaction out of people undermines something that people can really change

        Of course I or anyone else would be upset. But I would also be upset if I was tear gassed or shot with a rubber bullet for exercising my first amendment right, or if I was unjustly killed by the police or anyone in my community was bc people continue to avoid taking a look at the problem

        The cops should NOT blakedlly be using more force. You can’t address looting with tear gas. Gas spreads, it’s not going to pick out the looters and only affect them. It’s not a method being employed to stop looting, it’s being used to disperse crowds. They are shooting gas, mace and rubber bullies into crowds of people not specifically looters

  65. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Peter King also has us ahead of the cheats on his power poll 19 vs 21.

  66. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Wilkins 3rd amongst rookies in pressure? why does that not impress me??
    wasn’t he the first rookie taken in that draft at DL?

  67. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Thanks for posting about football guys
    Even though I am one of the culprits of political posts
    I appreciate the escapism that most of us come to this blog for

  68. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I’m going to say this, and I know some aren’t going to like it, but I’m saying it anyway. It’s time for a change. I really don’t want want Biden but this country needs to get rid of the orange man once and for all. I’m over him, he’s sickening. He’s not doing anything to help the problem we have before us, he seems to pour gas on the fire instead of trying to bring the country together.

  69. TryPod's avatar TryPod says:

    I got the email from him about an hour ago:
    https://apple.news/AP5FfV3sBQK-p8JoafbI99Q

  70. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Piggy were good?
    I don’t think we need to take the blogs time to see which is dumber between the fake liberal or the fake conservative news channels!

    It’s all on TV for me!

    I’ve said it over and over.

    If I want to watch something I watch it on CSPAN!

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      CSPAn is the most reliable source is probably the most reliable source for unbiased opinions

      But I don’t think they covering the day to day news at it happens.

  71. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Just an FYI to anyone else who has been having issues seeing the blog. I am SURE now that it is a Google Chrome issue. I installed Firefox on my work computer and everything shows up fine. On Chrome it is still all screwed up.

  72. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Piggy I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say anything about the Floyd case other than it was Murder!

    I don’t think I’ve heard one word about shutting down protests!

    But continue on…..

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      Of course everyone is saying it’s murder
      It’s hard to argue that the sky is not above your head unless you are standing on your hands while doing it

      Who in their right mind will argue that it’s not murder and throw away their credibility while doing it

      “What about the vandalism/looting” is cut from the same cloth as “white lives matter too”

      It’s a red herring and a distraction.

      If people would have focused on systemic change instead of arguments belittling black lives matter, Floyd would be alive today and we wouldn’t have to prosecute what one officer did as three more watched or approach it as an isolated incident – it’s is clearly not an isolated incident

      I’m in nyc. We’ve seen better days but it’s not a warzone. My iced coffee was a little sweeter than I wanted this morning – thanks Antifa!…lol

      Tucker Carlson arguing that we are endanger of having people want to be police officers is an underhanded and dishonest way to say, don’t give them more rules to comply with. I’m sure you guys can see that. That’s his agenda.

      And FYI, I never ask for permission to continue. If I see some one bite into a bullshit sandwich, I oink something

  73. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Your assumption I’m setting around in my whitey tighties cleaning my guns and watching Fox news is reassuring!

    I’m very familiar with the term red herring, If you get my drift??

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I’m assuming bc you keep posting videos of vandalism
      My assumption is based on what I see you post
      I don’t have the ability to take your blood pressure via the internet

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        Both posts were in regards to your posts. Otherwise I wouldn’t have posted either on this site!

        Blood pressure is great! always has been

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        Congrats. Mine isn’t so good. It’s not related to politics. I eat like a 🐷

        I’m sorry if it sounds like I’m assuming something about you.
        I have concerns about the rhetoric (not just here)
        It’s not a character assassination

        I try to avoid inflammatory language like “white” or “racist” or “trump”…lol

        I don’t think it’s enough for us to say that the particular police officer should be prosecuted. I disagree with a lot of people on this, including democrats and liberals.

        It’s very fixable imo if the focus is in the right place

  74. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Steve – It’s more than combating the looters. He really doesn’t seem sincere or bothered at all with what happened to George Floyd and then to exacerbate that, he deals with the protesters like sworn enemies and threatens force with the National Guard. He’s doing a real shit job of handling this crisis, and I think I’m pretty objective.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I can’t believe Mike is agreeing with me….sort of…

      I personally avoiding mentioning Trump at all though
      Bc that opens a whole can of worms up

      I’m just saying, there are legit people who have just had enough
      I hope everyone who loots is prosecuted to the full extent of the law

      I’m just saying – don’t take your eye of the ball

  75. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Here is something to chew on

    The program that allows excess military equipment to be transferred from military to local law enforcement is section 1033 of the 1997 National Defense Authorization Act of 1997

    1997 – during the Clinton Presidency
    It’s been out there through both Democrats and Republicans

    It shouldn’t be political
    It probably is about to become political though bc that is what happens to everything…

    But It’s just something wrong that has been going on for a couple of decades
    Or maybe some people think it’s right – that’s fine, we disagree

    But I think we are seeing the affects of that 1997 and the two decades of it now

    Do you like it or not?
    I’m sure opinions vary on the subject – but I think it’s in our faces now, so we should look at it

  76. Phindog's avatar Phindog says:

    Happy 30th Anniversary to Mike E and Dana. !! 🎉👍

  77. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I ruined the blog

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      No you didn’t. We need balanced perspective, and you bring much needed intelligence to the real issues at hand. If we have to have this conversation on the blog, I very much want to see a razor cut through the rhetoric, and you do that IMO.

  78. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    I’m just going to leave this hear….

    The first amendment is more important than the 2nd amendment IMO. (Both important, but the first is the first for a reason)

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      Without the 2nd, you won’t keep the first!

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        Not true at all! To this day in history there has NEVER been a situation where you owning a gun has protected your fist amendment rights. NEVER it just hasn’t happened. You have not saved us with your AR-15 from tyranny. My collection of hand guns and riffles hasn’t either.

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        and the US military could squash ANY militia group that we could put together.

      • New Age's avatar New Age says:

        That’s not true. We have spent almost half my lifetime in Afghanistan. In a country no one here lives or wants to be in. That’s when the enemy wasn’t your neighbor, friends, family. Every single country that is unarmed has had their rights taken away. Venezuela is just the easy example. I could give many.

  79. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    And Mike E might be the first person in the entire country who appears to have changed his mind either way about Trump since he was elected, lol.

    • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

      To be fair, Mike as always stated (at least in discussion with me) that he doesn’t like Trumps demeanor, he just supports the conservative agenda that Trump carries the water for. He has agreed from the start that as an individual Trump is an asshat. He likes the policies not the person.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Rock, I’m talking about his vote in the upcoming election. A lot of people I know that support Trump still admit he is a complete jackass…and are still going to vote for him a second term.

      • New Age's avatar New Age says:

        I’m voting for him. Biden is China’s puppet.

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      No…I have to say that if there was a viable opponent, I would vote for them. It’s not that Trump has actually done anything, rather he cannot keep his mouth (or Twitter) shut and it’s always ego and bluster. Unfortunately, Biden is not a choice. You are almost certainly choosing his VP to finish his term and I will never vote for anyone who accepts socialists as partners.

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        but fascists are ok?

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        Do you realize that the UK, France, Canada, and many of our other allies are socialist democracies? Do you even know what socialism is?

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        He’s probably going to take some one like Kamala Harris, Val Demmings, Stacey Abrams or Amy Klobacher

        I don’t think he’ll be running with Sanders or Warren

        I don’t know what counts as socialists to you
        But The only one that states they are a socialist is Sanders

        I don’t really think of Warren as a socialist but I know others do – that’s just my opinion

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        It’s funny, but I voted for Obama when he ran against Mccain for exactly the same reason. There was no way in hell I wanted Sarah Palin just one medical crisis away from being president. Mccain could have picked PeeWee Herman, and I would have voted for him, but Palin? lol, forget about it.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        And actually, Phel, last election was the same thing for me. I can’t stand Hillary. She is the posterchild for corrupt politician, plus she was already president for two terms, but I voted for her solely because of Trump.

        I had to take a scalding hot shower and burn my clothes afterwards…but there it is, lol.

  80. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Rock, none of those countries you mentioned are really socialist nations. They’re more progressive democracies but capitalism is still alive and well in those countries.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      But that’s the model that even the most leftist democratic candidates follow – Bernie Sanders is to the right of a lot of European counties (probably not UK)

      But I tend to think Canada is more left than Sanders politics

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I know. Was just pointing out that there is a lot of confusion on what socialism is.

  81. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Given that both Biden and Trump are closing on on 80
    The VP matters

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      It’s probably going to be either Abrams or Harris. They’ve hinted it will be a woman of color.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Neither one thrills me, and Biden looks like he’s toast, but at least he’s not an asshole. Creepy, but not an asshole.

      • D's avatar D says:

        I dunno he can Bevan asshole just as much as Trump. Trump is antagonistic, Binden is retaliatory. Still choosing Biden to battle Trump is like having your child molester oft drunk uncle fight with your spousal abust and philandering father, who also is often drunk.

  82. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Rock – First, Trump is not a racist. That is just a talking point for dumbass liberal with terminal TDS. Pretty apparent that you are the one that doesn’t know what socialism is. As Tim said, every country you listed are capitalist economies with some socialist public programs. I’ve actually been to and lived in most of our allied countries. And most of our allies have failed or failing economies. You’ve told us how hard you worked to get US citizenship. Why? If you want to be a fucking socialist, pick a socialist country and go. Because while you can be a US citizen and a socialist, you can’t be an American and a socialist. But unlike the USA no one is clamoring to get into a socialist country.

  83. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I love Kamila Harris Mike

    But I know a lot of people that aren’t so Enthusiastic about her
    She comes the closest to my politics than any other candidate

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      She would be perfect for Biden. Neither of them have ever seen a position they wouldn’t support if it got them a few votes or one they wouldn’t dump if it went out of style.

      • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

        I like to say they are open
        But another way to say it is opportunistic

      • New Age's avatar New Age says:

        Definitely perfect for Biden. Give him the best sex ever, wear that old heart and win the presidency. Sounds just like her entire political career.

  84. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Cav – I voted for Obama the first time too. He had a good message, he he just didn’t deliver it. As for Clinton, she is everything that is wrong with our politics. Trump was an outsider and there was some hope he would shake up the system. Which he did and, at least from my perspective a lot of it is good. We need strong borders (sorry Pigs). We needed a better atmosphere for business. I just never could listen to Trump talk. Between his voice, his mannerisms, and that whole New York City bravado bullshit, I would prefer to listen to crying babies and nails on chalkboards.

  85. TryPod's avatar TryPod says:

    My daughter is out in Louisville protesting now. She told me about the Hawaiian shirt wearing guys, which is how I figured out the Boogaloo boys were here.

  86. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    There are so many fucked up fringe groups. Fuck them!

  87. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I think Trump’s major fail in this crisis has been he has showed no empathy to black people, he’s just been adversarial. I don’t understand why. The mainstream would still crucify him regardless, but I’d know he’d have done the right thing. He didn’t. He fucked this big time Who knows, maybe he doesn’t want another term. If anyone that is pro-Trump can explain to me how I’m wrong, I’m listening . . .

    • Phindog's avatar Phindog says:

      Enjoy your night with your awesome wife and let this go or you will end up with whiskey dick. 😆

    • Phindog's avatar Phindog says:

      Like shooting pool with a rope. 🐕🥃🥃

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      He’s a horrible statesman, he just is. His election did what was needed to open up the establishment can of worms, and enlighten people. Now the fight for liberty is on once again. Biden and his ilk are not the answer long-term but Trump is bad for the country the next 4 years.

  88. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    I don’t think Trump is a racist. He’s a narcissist and probably believes everyone is “less” than him….or maybe worse he simply doesn’t care about anyone….which would push him more to the psychopathic range of behavior. We don’t really know the “cause” of narcissism, but, sadly, many narcissists are neglected, ignored or verbally diminished children who are compensating for that trauma. Trump’s behavior no longer shocks or surprises me after I researched what was going on around the impeachment, and I do not expect him to change or act differently. This is who he is. If your life is bettered due to things he’s done….that’s great….but Trump didn’t do it for you. He did it to fill his own need. I say sadly again that he’s not all that different than many of our elected officials.

  89. New Age's avatar New Age says:

    Randy is right but what has Trump done that was adversarial? Are we are only talking about the tear gas incident or something else? These riots are a shameful display for our country. Nothing in our constitution talks about needing massive riots with widescale destruction and the peaceful ones always ended close to dusk. I always support peaceful protests.

    This has had almost nothing to do with justice for black, white or brown people. It’s been an excuse to destroy people’s lives under the guise of justice and is utterly disgusting. If this was the least bit for real change, I would support it and I support change. Most of this is lies and optics.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      New Age, I don’t believe I’ve heard Trump once say that this was a terrible incident and and that he feels for black people in any way. He didn’t try in any way to help them have peaceful protests, he instead chose to say when the looting starts the shooting starts. There’s really no sympathy or empathy in that stance. Then that dumbass photo op at the church sealed it for me. I don’t believe for a second that he didn’t how they were going to clear the way for him to take that stupid fucking picture with the bible, for all I know he requested it to be done that way. He hasn’t tried in any way to reach out to the black community to help make this better, he just pulls levers and voices threats. If you have evidence that proves me wrong, I’m more than willing to look at it, but our leader of the entire nation, not just the whiteys needs to lead for everyone. He could have won some voters if he really took the right stance here, people are shook up about all these innocent black people being killed. Maybe he thinks that vote isn’t his anyway so he doesn’t give a fuck. Wouldn’t doubt that.

      • New Age's avatar New Age says:

        Ok, thanks for the response. It was stupid and he does some stupid stuff. Trump was stuck in a bunker all night and responded poorly. He had already offered condolences to the only people who mattered and said that killer would be brought to justice. That should have ended it. This systemic racism is bullshit unless maybe for Dems. New study shows that Dems are more likely to talk down to black people. There’s no real examples of systemic to point to.

        Look at my link to Tucker Carlson below. This should be a effort of solidarity between all people that bad cops must be punished. Are you really seeing that? Look at what happened to Drew Brees. He’s being destroyed because he won’t condone kneeling. Because he doesn’t say EXACTLY what they want said. How in the world would Trump, who is universally disliked by a lot of people, be listened to if he doesn’t like kneeling? If he’s too proud to say EXACTLY what they want? This isn’t about Floyd and that makes me the most angry. It’s about control. Do the better photo ops in the day, show true colors at night. I HATE the kneeling. It was specifically chosen by Kaepernick to dishonor our flag. To dishonor our vets. Listen to him talk about Castro. He’s human feces and that has nothing to do with melanin levels.

        This has nothing to do with the real victims like Floyd, or even worse David Dorn. Look him up. Watch what happened when he tried to defend his people. He’s black btw.

  90. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    I will be voting 3rd party once again this year. I have a long streak going and the big 2 party dipshits still can’t put any candidate I can vote for. It’s really sad. I thought this was going to be my first time voting for a Democrat…..and this is what the put up there? Have they lost what little bit of their minds they had left?
    They could of put any guy they pulled out of the crowd and had a better chance…..ugh.

  91. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    On a positive note, my retirement accounts have made up nearly all the losses incurred with the COVID drop. At the worst, I was down almost 23% in total, now I’m only 3% down.

  92. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    New Age says:
    June 3, 2020 at 11:38 pm
    That’s not true. We have spent almost half my lifetime in Afghanistan. In a country no one here lives or wants to be in. That’s when the enemy wasn’t your neighbor, friends, family. Every single country that is unarmed has had their rights taken away. Venezuela is just the easy example. I could give many

    What does Afghanistan have to do with anything? The Afghanis have many guns. Every teenager who wants one has an AK 47.

    I was specifically talking about the history of the US and how your militia has not saved my first amendment right. But if you want to go international we can do that to the statement is still false. And I can list Australia France United Kingdom and many others.

    I did not wanna re-open a gun rights discussion because I own guns. I was only stating that it’s not necessarily true that the second amendment protects the first amendment.

    • New Age's avatar New Age says:

      Thanks for the response. I’m, sure we could do this all day but I see a lot of instances in the UK where people are arrested for thought crime now. The places with the heaviest citizen gun rates are also the safest today in America. I can’t believe after watching these riots in Minneapolis that anyone would think the state or police will help their citizens. They stood down and allowed unchecked rioting.

  93. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Randy, I don’t think anybody on here has said that Trump is a racist. At least not recently. I certainly haven’t. I’m not sure what Phelan was responding to when he told me that Trump is not a racist because I never posted that he was.

  94. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Rock is correct – He called Trump Fcist, not racist and I meant to say racist.

  95. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I think Trump is “fcist” too

    If it sounds like an insult I’m going to say Trump is one….😃

  96. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Randy – Trump definitely does things for his own edification and sometimes they are good for the country. I would put him more towards sociopathy than psychopathy. For narcissists in general.

  97. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    The UK and France don’t have true freedom of speech anymore. They arrest and charge people for social media posts that are deemed offensive. Ditto for Germany. Don’t know about Australia.

  98. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Pigs – How do you feel about the no bond laws putting looters and rioter back out on the street in a matter of hours?

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t think anyone should be detained without a trial

      Never really liked the idea that some one can buy their way to a release pending trial when everyone should enjoy that ability

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        I agree on the buying their way out part. But I think if you get caught committing a crime you should be held until your trial.

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