What will the 2021 Miami Dolphins Defense look like?

Two of our top 4 picks in the 2021 draft were spent on defense. The #18 pick to me was the pivotal pick because I think adding Jaelan Phillips to this defense will energize a pass rush that improved last year with the addition of Emmanuel Ogbah who led the team, and also the emergence of “AVG” Andrew Van Ginkel who really came on last season. Keep in mind Emmanuel Ogbah had 8 sacks through 9 games last season and finished with 9, so 1 sack in the last 7 games. There’s a reason, opposing teams focused on Ogbah because Shaq Lawson wasn’t getting it done. So now we have the young pass rusher we need and in exchange for Shaq Lawson, we received ILB Benardrick McKinney. Don’t underestimate this move. As much as I believe drafting Phillips was so important to our defense, I think trading for Benardrick McKinney was a big step too, though not as much as getting Phillips. Consider that Elandon Roberts is rehabbing from a knee injury very late in the season (Game 16), we needed this. In addition, McKinney will be the perfect inside backer that will continue to allow #55 to be all over the field and we’ll now have a guy who can be productive against the run and can also chase down plays to the sidelines. In round 2 pick #36, the Dolphins took who they believe to be the starting FS opposite SS Eric Rowe, Jevon Holland. Holland will be given every opportunity to win that job as good ole Bobby McCain was let go.

I think our defense already had a very promising trajectory, even before the Lawson/McKinney trade and before the draft. I like our young, strong defensive line with DE’s Christian Wilkins and Emmanuel Ogbah and NT Raekwon Davis. Ogbah is the elder statesman at nearly 28 while Wilkins is nearly 26 and Davis is only 24. AVG will be 26 at season’s start and Jaelan Phillips is 22. These guys are just going to get better, and make no mistake, Jaelan Phillips is going to make this defense better. He will be a guy that must be accounted for and when there are multiple guys on your defense that fit in that category, that’s when defenses feast. I think Phillips is going to have that impact on our defense. If AVG can improve on the good work he did last year, our defense can be a real force. He played in only 46% of the defensive snaps and managed 5.5 sacks and 10 QB hits in addition to nearly 50 tackles. If he can earn more playing time and increase his production accordingly, watch out!

The secondary was already the premier unit of the defense and hopefully Jevon Holland can elevate it even further. Last season Bobby McCain played SS and played the majority of snaps there. This year Rowe will be playing SS and it’s expected that rookie Jevon Holland will play FS. Holland may also play some slot corner and nickel corner, a job Nik Needham handled most of the time last season. With two excellent cover corners in Xavien Howard and Byron Jones, this may be the best CB tandem in the NFL. Howard is the ballhawk and playmaker while Jones is your typical shutdown corner. Howard started and played in all 16 games finishing with an incredible 10 INT’s. Jones started and played 14 games last season and totaled just 2 INT’s, but as I said earlier, he does a great job of shutting down the receiver he is responsible for.

I honestly can’t wait to see this defense on the field. If Phillips lives up to the hype I’m bestowing on him this defense can be something to see. We so desperately need that player that opposing teams must pay extra special attention to and I can’t remember the last time we’ve had that. For some perspective, last season was the first season in which we accumulated more sacks on defense than we allowed in quite some time. We had 41 sacks and allowed only 34. In 2019 we allowed 58 and got only 23 of our own on defense. Still think the O-line didn’t improve??? I had to go all the way back to 2009 to find a comparison even close to last season. In 2009 we had 44 sacks and allowed 34. Our +7 from last season was impressive, imagine if we make that even better this season . . .


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2,674 Responses to What will the 2021 Miami Dolphins Defense look like?

  1. jermaine eluemunor is the newest dolphin, get your jersies now, lol

  2. Ken says:
    June 14, 2021 at 7:02 pm
    But you don’t know if that he underreported. You have no evidence there was tax evasion. You don’t understand what you are saying

    Forbes, dozens of articles, and reports on tax returns said he underreported, i guess they doent know what they are saying either ? i provided the links, i dont see any links from You proving he did not underreport? do you understand what You are saying, good, provide proof please,

    where is your proof he did NOT underreport income, and paid his fair share like the rest of us?
    ill wait for your links, thanks

    • sb7mvp says:

      The proof is in your links David. None of those links say he under reported or did anything illegal. They created a stat for a narrative. I even posted the quote from the article itself that all the articles based their information on. Did you read them or just the sensationalized headline made for clicks?

    • Ken says:

      My proof that he did not underreport is that he was not arrested for tax fraud

      • that is not proof, no evidence, and there are no links provided proving it

        and SB 7, some of what Bezos does is legal wrangling, and some of it is cooking the books to undereport income

        read into it further , like i have

        i will not answer any more questios, until someone provides links that bezos does NOT underreport income, he does not cook the books, and he pays his fair share like the rest of us,

        otherwise, we are beating a dead horse imo, show me he pays his fair share, and for an added bonus, show me that he has never received a subsidy before and we can all
        see i was just mistaken about all of it, thanks

      • Ken says:

        You are talking out of your ass David

      • you are just pissed i busted you with no proof, you have nothing? i thought so

        maybe next time be prepared to back up your bullshit Ken, thanks

      • Ken says:

        David you have no comprehension of what you are saying. It has been widely reported by CNN, MSNBC and Fox that there is no evidence of any illegal conduct on the part of Bezos. He has not been arrested. What has been reported is what the percentage of income represented his tax payment. What no one has seen is how it was calculated and how they arrived at the amount owed but without any evidence you decided there was illegal activity because you have some weird hard on to hate wealthy successful individuals. However you do not grasp a working definition of what tax fraud is

  3. Ken, You believe he does not underreport, and pays his fair share, but have NOTHING to show that? why cant you prove YOUR point?

    the floor is yours to prove Your point, ill wait for the links

  4. ken, that is unnacceptable, you failed to prove your point that Bezos does not underreport and he pays his fair share like the rest of us,

    and you failed to provide a link to back up your point
    that was what i asked for

    i will wait for your proof , or assume you dont have anything to show

    im ready to move on unless you can provide something with a link showing he does not undereport, and pays his fair share like the rest of us

    thats only fair, because im tired of beating a dead horse

    • Ken says:

      I am not the one trying to prove a point you are. You have come to a conclusion that based on what Bezos paid he underreported. That conclusion is both factually and logically unsound

      • already proved my point on the the last page, but for some reason you LIKE beating a dead horse, with no proof on your point? its not just bezos, its the top 1 percent that are scamming the taxpayers and collecting socialist handouts/subsidies too

        $175 billion per year. That’s how much the top 1% of taxpayers contribute to the tax gap—the difference between federal taxes legally owed and those actually collected—each year, according to a March study.
        Forbes and Propolitica

        legally owed, and actually collected, what does that term mean? the rich are paying their fair share or not?

        how can something be legally owed, and not paid, and thats ok?

      • Ken says:

        That is a different issue David. One that has to do with the tax code and not necessarily the wealthy

      • i already proved that Bezos underreports, and showed the links. i dont want to do it again, if you didnt read all the links, so be it

        You did not prove your point that im wrong about bezos, and have nothing to show he reports everything and pays his fair share

        i think i mentioned a few times im ready to move on now, it seems like its time to move on

      • Ken says:

        The links didn’t support what you said

      • last thing, i do agree with you that the last part is where the tax code needs to be fixed, that is yet another issue that has to be dealt with that prevents them from paying their fair share like we have too
        and i had a final point about legally owed, and yet not collected, which is showing that the rich dont pay their fair share like we do, EVEN when its legally owed, SMH

  5. wyoming85 says:

    Well I’ve installed a breathalyzer to my laptop!

    That should take care of any further drunk responses!

  6. if i legally owe the bank for a truck payment, but refuse to pay, what would happen to the truck?

    it gets repossessed, banks dont play that game, they want the $

  7. where are Your links to support what You said?

    • wrong place, lol this was for Ken

      and also, the links i showed, DO list the exact amounts that bezos underpaid, and i mentioned them also

    • Ken says:

      What did I say that needs support? I have been demonstrating the flaws in your logic not really making assertions. You made the assertions you have the burden. You obviously have not done any type of organized debate

      • you have not demonstrated the flaws in my logic, and you have not been able to prove that bezos reports everything and pays his fair share, You failed to provide a link showing that bezos pays his fair share and reports accurately, but want to argue that he does

        MOST people already know it, and dont need David to tell them, its common knowledge that i DONT have to prove, its already been proven

        why should i have to prove whats already been proven? you are stating something that goes against the common thread of factual knowledge of the matter, but have no links to back it up, and we all know why


        most people are aware the top 1 percent are tax deadbeats that get billionaire welfare

  8. ken , for the sake of others, lol lets wrap this up please?

    if You want to believe that bezos reports everything, and pays his fair share like we do, you can think that if you want too, i wont try to change your mind anymore

    ill just read Your links you failed to provide, and research it, promise not to nitpick it tonight, lol

  9. Ken, im done, thats it, You will have to do independent research if You want to learn how Bezos is a tax deadbeat on welfare, im moving on

    does that sound logical? it does to Me
    thanks for the convo

  10. Marinofan13 says:

    Just caught up

    Observation: David has somehow, someway, made left-leaning individuals stick up for capitalism. That’s incredible! But what’s more, I absolutely agree with David regarding these billionaires who get away with (not literal) ‘murder’.

    And here’s another factoid: George Soros (the billionaire liberal ICON) hasn’t paid a penny of taxes since 2016. If that was the case with Donald Trump (it isn’t), leftists would go NUTS!

    I think we’re beginning to build a bridge here, on the FMU… and David isn’t out of his mind, either.

    Stop thinking linear (as in left to right, lib to con), and start thinking circular. The left and right are beginning to understand one another (at least on this blog), meeting at the top (or the bottom) of the said circle.

    • Ken says:

      Because I am a democrat doesn’t I don’t believe in capitalism. David is out right calling for socialism. He wants to redistribute the wealth by means of taxation.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        I don’t disagree with ya, Ken. We’ll have to work on David in that aspect, but I think he’s beginning to understand (no disrespect to you, David).

      • Ken, thanks for talking for Me, but for HOURS, we have talked about bezos not reporting his income, and not paying his fair share..

        that is not asking for taxation to redistribute wealth, its suggesting that ALL of us, even the richest man on earth pays his fair share, like all of us do

        do You agree with socialistic, billionaire welfare/tax subsidies, and tax avoidance from the ultra rich?

        remember many of these are the same people that manipulate the markets and take investors money with falsehoods

        elon musk, buffet, trump and many others have manipulated the markets and basically abuse the markets for their own benefits, guess who loses?

        the rich are NOT our friends, and they get rich from exploiting the masses IMO

      • Tim Knight says:

        That’s the problem, a lot of cons think you’re all socialists. Not true. I know lots of people who are Democrats and socialism is not what they’re about. Just like not all conservatives are Nazis.

        We need to stop the absurdity.

    • whats up MF

      agreed that soros is also guilty of not paying his fair share, hes one of the top 1 percent

      bezos is the number one target, because he treats my friends that works for amazon like shit, and for my above mentioned reasons that i refuse to get back into, lol

  11. pheloniusphish says:

    David – You clearly don’t understand what or who the top one percent is. It is not the super rich like Bezos, Musk and Buffet.

    “Nationwide, it takes an annual income of $538,926 to be among the top 1%. Among the approximately 1.4 million taxpayers who meet this threshold, the average annual income is about $1.7 million – about 20 times the average income of $82,535 among all taxpayers.”

    If you want it by state:

  12. pheloniusphish says:

    Here are the 2021 numbers:
    “An individual in the US needs a net wealth of $4.4 million to be among the richest 1% in the world, according to the Knight Frank 2021 Wealth Report. Compared to the rest of the world, the US has the third-highest wealth threshold to break into the 1%.

    However, the US has the highest number of what Knight Frank calls UHNWI residents — ultra-high net worth individuals. The real-estate consultancy firm defines a UHNWI resident as someone whose net wealth exceeds $30 million.”(https://www.businessinsider.com/net-worth-to-be-in-1-percent-top-richest-wealth-2021-2)

  13. Marinofan13 says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    June 14, 2021 at 9:15 pm
    whats up MF

    agreed that soros is also guilty of not paying his fair share, hes one of the top 1 percent

    bezos is the number one target, because he treats my friends that works for amazon like shit, and for my above mentioned reasons that i refuse to get back into, lol
    Like you, I cannot stand Jeff Bezos, and for the exact same reasons.

    He owns the Washington Post, Amazon (and the media that it provides), and he’s absorbing other corps.

    One of my favorite guys in office is Sen. Josh Hawley, MO. Corporations and mergers are taking over the world, and Hawley rightly states that these conglomerates/mergers/monopolies need to be broken up.

    I won’t tolerate the .01 % of the wealthiest people in the world controlling us… BREAK ‘EM UP! The laws are on the books to prevent this from happening, but our government has turned a blind eye to what’s going on. Why? They’re probably getting paid off by the .01% (globalists) who control the world (NWO).

  14. many of us dont know what the corporations actually are doing, they hide it.

    here is an example of how Morgan Stanley become SO rich, whats the tax rate on cocaine trafficking, lol
    in this example , i dont expect wealth distribution, i would expect prosecution

    The MSC Gayane is operated by the Switzerland-based Mediterranean Shipping Co., but JPMorgan helped finance MSC’s purchase of the ship. The two reportedly structured the purchase so the ship was owned by client assets in a transportation strategy fund run for JPMorgan’s asset-management arm.


  15. Marinofan13 says:

    David, it goes back to pre-WWI, actually. And that’s also why WWIII is inevitable.

    It’s all about $$$.

  16. Marinofan13 says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    June 14, 2021 at 9:58 pm
    rothchilds, rockefellers,
    selfish control freaks that would sell our organs for a nickel if they had the chance
    Yessir! And that’s where you and I absolutely connect. Then, do some research on eugenics and Margaret Sanger (Hillary’s mentor).

    Wealth is good and healthy, but it’s these .01% mofoz who control the whole fucking world that I’ve a problem with.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      The party you’ve been sticking up for (the dems) are demons. NOT saying the reps are any better, but at least they aren’t responsible for the sick, evil BS that dems have done throughout American history… such as the KKK, Jim Crow laws, the Civil War, separate but equal, and the massacres that you’ve spoken of in recent days.

      Great movie: “Rosewood”. Check it out.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        The South (the dems) just would not relinquish their slaves, Brah.

      • i know all about it, we talked about rosewood yesterdat
        and yes, even in the Ocoee massacre, the african americans were attempting to vote republican, and the democrats, also called dixiecrats and KKK
        wanted to prevent it

        but NOW< things are different, its the democrats are more diverse, even put a black female on the ticket

        what are the chances the GOP will put a minority woman up to get elected? slim to none IMO

        they are the party of white superiority now, and the democrats are fighting for civil rights for all

        i dont support the democrats btw, i only voted for biden to get trump the fuck out of office, seriously dont like trump and how he lied to us all the time

        biden is also bought off with corporations though, so i despise him for that

        but we cant get any candidates, in any parties, that wont take corporate bribes, they all take it, but a small handful that will never be allowed to run because they wont accept bribes

    • agreed on the the top .01 being the problem’

      where did we here the saying
      Money is the root of all evil? it is true

      but id like to add to it the LUST of Money is the root of all evil

      such an extreme lust that theft, tax evasion, and even cocaine trafficking is fair game to make more more more more
      one day rockefeller was asked, how much is enough? he said, its always a little more

      insatiable greed drives these freaks to do anything to get the money, even kill for it

  17. Marinofan13 says:


    Our Founding Father’s wisely put in place an apparatus to keep this lust we’re speaking about in check: THE CONSTITUTION.

  18. Marinofan13 says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    June 14, 2021 at 10:12 pm

    …but NOW< things are different, its the democrats are more diverse, even put a black female on the ticket

    what are the chances the GOP will put a minority woman up to get elected? slim to none IMO

    they are the party of white superiority now, and the democrats are fighting for civil rights for all…
    Fact: President Trump put more minorities and women in power than any other administration prior.

    I have NO idea where you get your data from, man. I pray it isn't from CNN.

    There is no "white superiority" going on, and President Trump ENSURED as much by his cabinet, his nominees, and his support of minorities.

    We can always agree to disagree, but I'm sorry… you are DEAD wrong on this accusation.

    • what are the chances the GOP will field a minority woman in the next election?

      i didnt catch your answer on that, thanks

      and i totally disagree with trump, he had extremely few minorities, didnt want to rent to them, hid them in the back when he walks into his properties, charlottesville both sides bullshit, shithole countries, criticizing the sob in the NFL, CRT, on and on and on and on

      im not going to list all of his racist statements and activities, they are too numerous and full of shit

      the white supremacists support trump, but not any of the democrats, because he aligns with their racism,
      and so does the gop who are trying to deny the rights for minorities to vote, the same thing the dixie crats did except the extreme violence

      oh how the times have changed!

  19. Marinofan13 says:

    David, always great talking with ya, man. Hopefully we can find the common ground to necessitate change. And this change should be broadly supported by ALL… not just from one party’s ideology.

    SO much to build upon, what with our commonalities (left AND right)! And infrastructure should be #1, WITHOUT the pork, and WITHOUT the redefining of what is “infrastructure” is, according to the left.

    • trump said he was going to do the infrastructure, if he did what he promised, it would have already been done

      the left is trying to get what trump failed to do, done, and they arent getting much help with it
      pork is in ALL bills, because corporate bribery is bipartisan

  20. Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s “the least racist person.” His history suggests otherwise.

    i know you wont like any source that isnt conservative, however the statements that trump made, are trump, and are racist

    you can like trump if you want too, i dont care one way or the other, but hes qualified to run the KKK imo

  21. take it easy MF< have a good one bud!

  22. Krishna says:

    I’m moving on to shrooms.

  23. Ken says:

    Alternate reality

  24. Mike E. says:

    What are the chances the GOP fields a minority woman as a candidate in the next election?

    Answer: The Democrats sure did, but at what cost? Sure, they won the election but is Kamala, or Biden even close to the best candidates? One isn’t sure why he keeps going to this white house, doesn’t look like the house he vaguely remembers and Cacklepuss looks woefully unqualified.
    I don’t give a rats ass who runs as long as they are better than what either party has put up the last 2 elections. Putting a minority on the ticket just to put a minority on the ticket is so wrong it’s ridiculous

  25. bailbondmike says:

    I made a comment about someone Sunday morning and was asked to show proof. After the last 48 hours, I don’t think I need to.

    Good morning everyone!

  26. Mike E. says:

    Ken – If Rice is the best candidate, sure. If she’s there because she’s black and that’s the flavor of the month, no thanks!

    • Ken says:

      She is a really good candidate and diversity matters to get votes. That is one of the major problems facing the Republican Party is that demographics are that it is becoming primarily a party of older white voters. The party needs to diversify its membership and getting a good viable minority candidate would help

  27. republicans like Marjy taylor greene are promoting anti semitism, she says hateful and false things like jewish lasers starting wildfires, etc

    but republicans want to censure the squad for what they dont like, and have no problem with Greenes blatant racism and hate

    even tucker carlson is talking about white replacement, i never heard of the garbage before, or so i thought, but then remembered the charlottesville neo nazis chanting Jews will not replace us

    they actually are spreading stupid conspiracies of the jews replacing the whites with third world people
    now i know why conservatives are always attacking soros and rothchilds too

    even trump attacked the jews in Hollywood FL, to their faces, and insulted them so bad i wont post it here

    if you want to read it, google it, im not interested in hearing any more conservative hate and lies against anyone non white

  28. Mike E. says:

    Marjory Taylor Greene is an ass. Trump is an ass too. Next!

  29. Mike, do you think Eluwmunor has a chance at sticking, or is he a camp body?

    • i think i misspelled his name, ElueMunor

    • Mike E. says:

      My guess is the latter, I think they’ve drafted and brought in a lot of OL, plus we like our veteran swingman Jesse Davis. We drafted Jackson, Hunt and Kindley last year, Eichenberg and Coleman this year, plus brought in Skura and Fluker. We also drafted Deiter in the 3rd in ’19. I’d think anyone coming into camp right now will face some long odds to make the 53.

  30. bailbondmike says:

    Both parties have nut cases what’s the point here?

    • Ken says:

      Agree and that probably is the point

    • true, only point i really made is greene is antisemitic, and tolerated by the GOP
      and i learned what white replacement theory is, anti semitic lies

      shes not just a nut case, shes a hateful and dangerous racist, her comments against the holocaust , and space lasers starting fires, have no place in US congress IMO

      thats pretty much it

  31. bailbondmike says:

    David, How old was that alligator gar pic? You are correct, if it is a current pic. They are protected here in FL. I believe the only permit for them is for scientific research. Don’t know why someone would go against fishing regs to get one when you could go after the long nosed gar which are much more plentiful, get to to 5′ in length and much more prehistoric looking.

    You may not think they look good to eat but they are. Like mullet they were once considered a trash fish.

    We go bow fishing over in Alabama (Mobile Delta) for long nosed gar. It is a freaking blast! We are allowed to harvest 1 alligator gar per person in Alabama but pass them up cause we know the numbers are limited there also. If we ever come by a trophy 10 footer though, I think all bets are off.

    We put chunks of long nosed gar in a crab boil with shrimp instead of crab. It is almost a flavor match for fresh blue crab. Just make sure you leave out any blood line and only use fresh white meat from the fillet.

    • thanks, very interesting

      i guess im picky, lol i prefer groupers , redfish, etc, marine fish

      freshwater fish just taste fishy to Me, but i havent tried them all, and likely wont, lol

    • sb7mvp says:

      This is what I posted yesterday:

      “I posted the video because it’s of the Ole Alligator Gar. Thought some might get the reference.”
      and also:
      “Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Louisiana allow regulated sport fishing of alligator gar. “

  32. D says:

    Ken says:
    June 15, 2021 at 7:52 am
    Condoleza Rice?
    I actually have been waiting for that. Not because she is black, but because she is a moderate conservative. That’s likely why she wont get a nomination, but i think she would make an excellent candidate.

    • Ken says:

      I tend to agree with you

    • she has ZERO chance IMO

      she might be qualified, but , minority GOP women dont get to run for the presidency, or vice presidency, neither do the men

      GOP did give the women a chance with palin, but it was MCain that picked her, most wouldnt have done it

      but wow she was a poor choice, im not so sure Mcain didnt like her for other reasons, who knows

  33. Rockphin says:

    SBJ!!! David, take a freaking break already! You are dominating this board like Home used to do! FUCK let it go. Ranting for two days about Bezos. FFS!

    I would never tell someone what they can post but you are seriously going to drive at least one poster away. (me) Drop the politics please. there is no need for social justice warriors on this board. It is a football blog.

    • i will talk about what i want, and bezos has not been discussed today

      but thanks for the requests, i wont be around this afternoon and u will have nothing to fear

    • you never bothered to see that i asked several times to move on from bezos, and yet others kept asking questions, so i answered

      ill answer questions when i feel like it, and wont if i am not here, thats what everyone else does
      but ill take all the blame, because i dont really care overall, bigger fish to fry

  34. one thing i would like to ask You Rock’

    for 2 days, you werent even here, how could anything really bother you about it when you werent even here? grow a pair dude, lol SMH

    did you go back and read it all, and just come out to bitch? well, mission accomplished
    have a great day

  35. steveccnv says:

    Rock is right, FFS

    Ken, when was the last time a client hired you to be their att., that wasn’t arrested, to prove a negative?

    Marbles need searching for, something must’ve flown over that bird’s nest, the one that has a clock named after it

    • Ken says:

      When you are the defense you don’t have to prove anything. It is a common argument and tactic of defense lawyers to remind the jury of that as often as you can during the course of the trial. To do otherwise is malpractice. Nice try

  36. Rockphin says:

    David, I have”been here” I just didn’t want to engage with you on politics or social justice. You would say you were done and then like Colombo keep writing about it “ahhh, one more thing”. You would show no proof and then demand proof from others. I usually just scroll past most of your posts but you were very HOME like in your psychosis this past few days. My scrolling finger got tired.

    Carry on with your nonsense I am not the blog boss, nor to I want to be. Like you, I will say what want. Right now I want to say FUCK YOU. Have a shitty day!

  37. Rockphin says:

    So, in football, today is the first day of mandatory mini camp and there has been no sign of X Howard. Hold out? My opinion is they made him the highest paid CB in the league when he had only played one complete season. He still has 4 years left on that contract that made him the highest paid CB. He should STFU and play.

    If he becomes a distraction trade him for 2 1st round picks. or a 1st and two 2nds

  38. Rockphin says:

  39. Rockphin says:

    Minicamp will run from Tuesday through Thursday. The team is allowed to hold two practices for a total of 3.5 hours each day of the minicamp, with the second practice limited to a walkthrough. The Dolphins coaches and players are believed to have made a deal this year to slow down some of the workouts during the offseason training program in order to ensure maximized attendance at all the workouts, avoiding some of the skipped practices from players on other teams around the league.

    Falling under the Phase Three rules of the offseason training program, the minicamp can include 7-on-7, 9-on-7, and 11-on-11 drills, but there is no live contact allowed.

    Following the end of the minicamp on Thursday, the Dolphins will break until the start of training camp on July 27. The NFL and Dolphins are planning for fans to be allowed to attend this year’s training camp after COVID-19 prevented that last year.

  40. Rockphin says:

    I keep forgetting about the Benardrick McKinney signing. IMO this is one of the top acquisitions this off season. if he can get back to his 2019 form we are looking much better at LB.

  41. steveccnv says:

    OD, was just talking to a co-worker, she’s a huge hockey fan and works PT for VGK as an usher she said, the TB Lightning are circumventing the rules by putting guys on the injured list, then playing them in the playoffs where the cap doesn’t apply.

    Bolts are 20m over the cap

  42. pheloniusphish says:

    I don’t think Miami will fold to Howard. The precedence set by tearing up a contract after one year because the market moved would be bad.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      And I would happily take two 1st round pick for him.

    • Tim Knight says:

      This would be the 3rd year of his current contract.

      • Rockphin says:

        it is the second year of his 5 year extension.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He signed it in 2019 so he played on it in 2019 and 2020, it’s now the 2021 season. This is the 3rd year.

        I’m not arguing whether he should get a new deal or not, just stating the facts of his current deal.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        From the article

        “Howard has four years remaining on a five-year, $76 million million extension that he signed two years ago.”

        Wasn’t confusing enough.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Maybe he signed it during the 2019 season not at the start. Whatever, I just know 2019 was the year he signed it.

      • pheloniusphish says:


  43. Rockphin says:

    Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa has struggled badly while practicing in heavy rain during the first day of the Miami Dolphins’ mandatory minicamp.

    Tagovailoa threw five interceptions during the first hour of the session.



  44. Rockphin says:

    One other early note from Tuesday’s practice, which will be conducted in helmets: Mike Gesicki, who suffered a pretty ugly shoulder injury late in 2020, wore a red non-contact jersey during practice.

    This is a developing story…

  45. pheloniusphish says:

    Also from the article

    ““X is a unique situation,” Flores said. “He was extended and now we’re talking about a renegotiation of an extension. We’ve had a lot of discussions about that. Very unique situation, talking about a potential renegotiation after one year. Those are longer conversations. We understand that.”

  46. bailbondmike says:

    I want to go bow fishing for tilapia next:

  47. Tim Knight says:

    Okay, Howard signed his extension in May of 2019. So he’s play on it in:
    2021 would be the 3rd year no?

  48. Rockphin says:

    Tim, yes he signed the extension in May before the ’19 season started. He was under contract through the end of the ’19 season so his 5 year extension started in ’20 (year one) now ’24 is the final year of his contract. we haven’t played this year so there are 4 years left on his contract.


    Is this going to turn into it’s year __ of the rebuild conversation? LOL (the tear down year DOES count BTW) 😉

    • Tim Knight says:

      I understand that. But he signed it two years ago. Now he’s seeing other corners making more since then and he thinks he’s the best in the game. That’s all.

      • Rockphin says:

        good, then you understand that this is YEAR TWO of his extension. LOL ’19 already under contract, signed five year extension for 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. This is year TWO.

        that’s all. 😉

      • Tim Knight says:

        You’re not paying attention to Howard’s view on it. He signed the extension 2 years ago and now he’s seeing corners he thinks he better than making more. Forget the terms of the contract, it’s the timeline. I already said earlier maybe 2019 was not the new deal yet and then you pointed out it wasn’t and I also looked it up. But it was two years ago that he signed it and now he thinks that deal is not up to par with his performance whether we agree with it or not. Can we move on already? He’s holding out because of that.

  49. Rockphin says:

    Another good signing
    Finally we are poaching the Pats instead of the other way around!

  50. Rockphin says:

  51. steveccnv says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 15, 2021 at 1:16 pm
    He signed it in 2019 so he played on it in 2019 and 2020, it’s now the 2021 season. This is the 3rd year.

    I’m not arguing whether he should get a new deal or not, just stating the facts of his current deal.

    Just stating the facts, that aren’t the facts😁

    Let’s see Tim get out of this one

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s pretty simple. He signed the extension two years ago. I explained it to Rock above.

      • Rockphin says:

        but you explained it wrong! LOL Tim he signed a 5 year extension for the years 20, 21, 22, 23 & 24. FIVE YEARS. Last year was year one. We have not played this year so he still has not played 2 years of the extension. He has only played one year of the extension.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I know that. I admitted my mistake. But it’s a fact he agreed on the extension two years ago. Is 2019 not two years ago? During that time other corners got paid more. That’s what his beef is. Can we move on? LOL

  52. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ Rock

    The way I look at the blow up/rebuild is 2019 is when Grier became the head of football operations and hired Flores. This is the 3rd season under their leadership, ala PhaseIII. 🙂

  53. Rockphin says:

    Tim, I was just arguing to argue. Yes we can move on now that you have admitted to being wrrrr wrrrrrrr wrrrrrrrrrr……well you know.

  54. stangerx says:

    Was reading over last night and the image of a lawyer in a steamy Southern Court room flashed in my mind. As he paced in front of the jury he raised his hand and loudly proclaimed,

    “And the defense, despite being asked many times, can not prove that Jack Wilson does not beat his cute little dog Snuggles either. That cute sweet dog. Must have been horrible for him if it happened. You Must Convict.”

  55. Rockphin says:

    Posting that meme of the Fonz got me thinking. Did kids back in the ’50s & 60’s really think middle aged Henry Winkler was a cool roll model??? He was the smallest, dorkiest “hoodlem” I have ever encountered in film or real life.

  56. Mike E. says:

    This year 2 of the rebuild

  57. Mike E. says:

    Rock, let’s say you did a demolition and the customer ran out of funds. Would that still be a rebuild?

  58. Mike E. says:

    Ah, I’m just fucking with you guys. It really is year 2 tho.

    • Rockphin says:

      this will be year three of Flores control. Year THREE of the rebuild.
      Before the tear down they hired the contractor (grier & flores) this is year three of their efforts to rebuild the team.

  59. Rockphin says:

    you are god damn right I ordered the code red!!!!

  60. Rockphin says:

    you can’t handle the truth! Son we live in a world with walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? you?

  61. Tim Knight says:

    LOL @ how we get caught up in these cluster fuck conversations. I’ll admit when I make a mistake.

    2019 – we traded our QB of 7 years in Tannehill, moved on from other players and started bringing in the types of players Flores likes.

    2020 – draft our current QB in Tua and continue to add players Flores likes.

    2021- add playmakers around the young QB and continue to add players Flores likes.

    How is it only Phase II? LOL

    • D says:

      because a lot of those are not roman numeral they ae big letter, decimal numbers and lowercase letters underneath the topic of the phases.

  62. Rockphin says:

    My existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you SAVES facts.

  63. Rockphin says:

    Mike E

  64. stangerx says:

    The date of the start of the new team is the same as the one on Flores’ contract. How could it be any different?

    Break up into subphases however you want.

  65. D says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 15, 2021 at 10:39 am
    Rock is right, FFS

    Ken, when was the last time a client hired you to be their att., that wasn’t arrested, to prove a negative?

    Marbles need searching for, something must’ve flown over that bird’s nest, the one that has a clock named after it

    Ken says:
    June 15, 2021 at 10:53 am
    When you are the defense you don’t have to prove anything. It is a common argument and tactic of defense lawyers to remind the jury of that as often as you can during the course of the trial. To do otherwise is malpractice. Nice try

    Leaving the legal part out of the matter, if you are the one with the statement of record, it being Bezo’s is a crook, you have the onus of validating that statement with facts to back it up, not try to turn the argument on the person that sayd, ok where’s your proof by saying ….”oh i don’t know, where is yours” thats the “i know you are but what am i” response of defending an argument. Basic principals of logical argument says David doesn’t have a good rebuttal so he played the I’m incapable of logical arguments so here’s my crazy defense.

    • stangerx says:

      It’s why the best conspiracy theories can’t be proven wrong. Saying Epstein was killed at the behest of Bill Clinton or the Democratic Machine. That works. Saying Bill Clinton did it himself……. that one folds as soon as someone asking “prove I am wrong” is shown a photo of Clinton somewhere else that day.

  66. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31637088/miami-dolphins-cb-xavien-howard-not-mandatory-minicamp-unique-contract-renegotiation

    its very disappointing Howards a no show at mandatory OTA< SMH

    i was hoping he would show up as a good show of faith, to work towards what he wants in what FLores calls a unique situation

  67. Rockphin says:

    Based on the NFL ruling, players under contract who miss minicamp are subject to a $15,515 fine for the first day, $31,030 for the second and $46,540 for the third.

    He is going to cost himself $93K if he skips all three days. He has already forfeited $25K in workout bonus this season.

    Howard’s salary for this year (2021) is fully guaranteed already minus the bonus he failed to earn and the 93K they will fine him for minicamp.

  68. Ken says:

    For the record I have never owned a Sears sucker suit in my life

  69. Ken says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 15, 2021 at 12:19 pm (Edit)
    That was my point, proof isn’t necessary, maybe should’ve 😉
    Sorry I misinterpreted the post

  70. steveccnv says:

    Phase I teardown
    Phase II step I rebuild
    Phase III 2021 step 2 of rebuild

    There I fixed it, everyone is correct, we’re in Phase III step2 of rebuild

    • Tim Knight says:

      Except the rebuild started right away. But I get why people view it differently. I always go by the new power structure and head coach. That’s the reset unless a new head coach comes in takes over an already made team like in Green Bay with Matt LaFleur.

      Chris Grier was given the keys to tear it down and start over completely and Brian Flores was the guy he wanted to be the head coach of the new team. Here we are in year 3. I posted a couple of weeks ago that we only have 9 players left on the roster from the Gase era. That number might be less on opening day.

  71. Rockphin says:

    Oh, I’m sorry Ken. That was the CREDIBLE HULK. My mistake…..

  72. steveccnv says:

    Tua throwing 5 picks is a good sign that they aren’t holding him back.

    Think trying to win every game in 2020 by not making mistakes wasn’t good for him

  73. nobody wears a suit in south FL , unless its a wedding, funeral, or a wedding/funeral combo, lol

    those are weird, but you can get two uses out of one wearing

    • D says:

      Seersucker is actually pretty cool, damn near as breezy as linen, probably why its most stereotypical for southern lawyers because despite S. Fla heat being legit, i dont think it has anything on New Orleans at the peak of summer.

  74. stangerx says:

    “Defensive end Emmanuel Ogbah — who has been training on his own in recent weeks while many of his teammates worked together at team headquarters — will attend the Dolphins’ mandatory minicamp that runs Tuesday through Thursday this week. We would like to get an extension done,. We’ve approached the Dolphins about that. That’s as much as I can say.”

    — Drew Rosenhaus, who must be a good agent since seems he reps half the best Phins players. They don’t all start with him. Assume the guys talk about such in the locker room.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Ogbah is a force. He’s a really good Edge/DE. Adding Phillips along with guys like Van Ginkel, Biegel etc. I’m liking it.

    • D says:

      He isn’t as athletically gifted as Wake but his motor and just playing through the whistle playstyle is very similar.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s bigger than Wake but not as quick. But I agree on some of the similarities. He’s a gamer. So was Wake.

  75. Rockphin says:

    For Stanger

    • stangerx says:

      There’s a lot of logic in that chart.

      I was thinking of an episode of How I Met Your Mother where they chart a chick Ted is dating over the course of a date night. Apparently not fixed points on this, or at least you learn more (and of course she was real hot).

  76. Rockphin says:

    I love the note on the chart above ” *Every woman is at least a 4 crazy” LOL

  77. Rockphin says:

    there are almost as many hulk images out there as there are pig images…….

  78. Rockphin says:

    Don’t even get me started with Hulk/Pig Pig/Hulk

  79. D says:

    Ken says:
    June 15, 2021 at 3:08 pm
    For the record I have never owned a Sears sucker suit in my life
    Of course you didn’t your not an old southern lawyer, its only appropriate for them and its Seersucker lol

  80. D says:

    That chart should start at 6, not 4. I ventured into that land of danger zone with a few of my past ones, in fact one of those was an upper right corner at 10,10. Spent a year or two as a stripper to make quick cash but her crazy came because she was a fucking purebred Cajun, maybe some creole mixed in too considering she had the ass of at least a mixed black girl. Fucking stupid crazy. Luckily i learned my lesson and stayed more in the 8,X range after. the X has ranged lol, but i haven’t not gone past 8 on the crazy axis since that Cajun.

    • D says:

      Oh and i dont think there is anyone below a 6, maybe they have mellowed in their older age to be less or at least they become a more tolerable 6-8, but there isnt anything below a 6 really.

    • stangerx says:

      A Ten Ten is a scary thing. Shocked she was a stripper at one point. 🙂

  81. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, well it was a lot more fun catching up today than it was yesterday…

    • D says:

      I dunno some of the time those other days are pretty fun to because ya really get to see what the fringes of society looks like without having to get your hands dirty wading around in it.

  82. D says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    June 15, 2021 at 3:23 pm
    Bacardi 151 proof, is proof that proof is important, lol JK
    I still have the record (among my friends/former frat brothers), and unlikely to be beaten record of 6 pint sized mason jars of long island ice teas consumed in one sitting. All of them subbed out the regular rum for 151. I really look back at those times in my life and wonder how any number of those days didn’t put me in the dirt. Not an alcoholic either, just a big partier at the time. Fucking hate that i didn’t get blackouts either, because there are plenty of the shit i did i wish i didnt remember lol.

  83. Tim Knight says:

    If Raekwon Davis ups his game… look out! Not a lot of 6-7 330 dudes in the world who are good athletes and football players walking the planet. He’s not a fat guy, he’s just huge.

    • D says:

      Well he is fast….for a guy that size, he moves like a cat. Even at that size he would/can play 3-4 DE. Look at him in that picture, no gut on that 330, fucking impressive.

      • D says:

        nevermind i see you said not fat, not not fast.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s not in the forefront of this pic but look at the size of his arms. I know he’s chasing Kyler Murray who’s not a big dude but is as quick as it gets. I was very high on Davis in the 2020 draft and think his upside is scary.

      • D says:

        I was too, i was actually surprised he fell that far. I had him going later 1st round.

      • D says:

        Barmore, from this past years draft was a Davis clone, maybe slightly better athlete, but fairly comparable. That’s why i was pushing at one time for us to take him over dome of the true DE’s in this class because he is a perfect hybrid fit, and equally as athletic as any of them, this was a fairly shallow DE class.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I see Barmore more like Christian Wilkins or Quinnen Williams. 6-7 330 is a different beast.

  84. CavalierKong says:

    Who cares about phases, steps, stages, or chapters?

    The rebuild is either in progress or it’s done. 😉

  85. stangerx says:

    Lots of rain at minicamp today. Lots of picks as well. Tua threw 5, which is not his style. But “the emphasis today was to push the ball vertically.” Not his comfort zone.

    • D says:

      I mean it is, but he has to find that comfort zone int he NFL, he had it in college no doubt

    • D says:

      He stretched the field consistently when he was in college because he had the targets that allowed him to. I think as long as he cvan get his chemistry with these new deep threat weapons, he will be able to do it in the NFL, we just haven’t seen it yet because he didnt have many opportunities to last year.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s practice. LOL

      Ask Doggy how many times he fucked up learning songs or playing scales. It’s practice! Not the performance. That’s why you practice. To learn and get better so when you do perform on stage it’s good or great.

      OTA reports are lower than preseason game performances. Once the regular season starts, nobody cares about preseason stats.

      • stangerx says:

        So should we not talk about what happened at minicamp? Nice to have have some football news for me at least.

      • Tim Knight says:

        We’ve been doing this a long time. Nobody cares about OTAs on opening day. 😉

      • stangerx says:

        But I do TIm. Would also care if the reports were that Tua lit it up and was throwing deep for TDs all over the place. Would like that.

  86. CavalierKong says:

    Re: Howard, I read he’s still the #6 paid CB in the league. He really doesn’t have any leverage over us, but the way we handled Minkah F^cktard shows we don’t want to be in a protracted disgruntled player situation, so I expect we’ll either reach an agreement or we’ll see a trade sooner rather than later.

    • stangerx says:

      Seems a time to ask yourself, “how much better is Howard than Iggy” as well as “What can we get for Howard in a trade?” I don’t know what the answers are, but those are the Qs would be asking. Answer might come back give X more money….or not.

    • D says:

      I agree i think its heavy on the Phins side as far as the leverage. There will always be teams that will pay big for a top CB so if we get in a sticky situation we can still trade him. Im hoping not, and the Phins are able to reach a compromise deal, maybe incentive laden changes to his contract that can get him to the money he wants but i also dont want them to sink the team over it.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That was different. Minkah F^cktard wanted to know is he a CB, FS or SS so he could build his body as such. Then his Mom chimed in. Howard most likely via his agent wants to be paid as the #1 CB.

      X was 1st team All-Pro in 2020, 2nd team All-Pro in 2018 and a 2-time Pro Bowler those same years. He and his agent are looking to cash in, nothing more.

      • CavalierKong says:

        So if Howard holds out, do you think the team will react differently and let it be a season long nuisance?

        My point was the team showed a no-nonsense attitude towards Minkah, I think they’ll do the same with Howard and either pay him or move him. Who cares what the player is disgruntled about, my statement was about how the team will handle it.

  87. CavalierKong says:

    Also regarding Howard, when you sign an extension, that usually includes a reworking of the current year. 2019 was reworked as part of the new deal. Howard was paid over 15 mil in 2019, so Tim was sorta right, it was a 5 year extension, but really it was a new 6 year contract. He’s played 2 and is going into year 3 of the new contract.

    • steveccnv says:

      The current contract wasn’t touched, so no free pass for Timmy🤪

    • good point, but its also only 1 year since the renegotiation

      “It’s pretty clear this is a contract situation, which we’ve talked about internally,” Flores said, via ESPN. “X is a little bit of a unique situation. He was extended and now we’re talking about a potential renegotiation after one year. Those turn into longer conversations. We understand that. We’ve obviously had a lot of talks and conversations about that and we’ll continue to have those and keep them internal, but it’s a very unique conversation.”

      Brian Flores

      • CavalierKong says:

        That is a very team friendly way to say it by the coach. The new contract was negotiated in 2019 and Howard got paid out of the new contract in 2019.

  88. he repeated unique, mmmm

    it sounds like hes a little bit pissed off ,that they have to renegotiate again a year later

  89. steveccnv says:

    Typically what happens is some upfront money will be paid in the last year of the old contract, but that doesn’t change the old contract or years of the new contract.

    That’s only true when the old contract is torn up and the new one starts in the current year, that didn’t happen with Howard

    • CavalierKong says:

      It’s a technicality for sure, but the reality is the player is now under contract for 6 years and the total money over those 6 years is also paid out over those 6 years combined.

      • CavalierKong says:

        No matter how you look at it, we got him on a great deal (looking at how the top CB market has jumped). I wish we’d gotten one more year out of him before he decided to push the issue, but he knows he’ll never be hotter than he was last year.

    • stangerx says:

      Maybe you are saying the same , but my impression was old contract same as before but when you sign the extension you get the signing bonus right after your John Hancock. So salary for that year the same but a check for millions.

      • CavalierKong says:

        It’s what he’s saying, and it’s correct.

      • stangerx says:

        Does seem at that point they shouldn’t call it an extension. It’s a new contract. Or maybe a re-sign.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I’m really not disputing anything, you and Steve are right. I’m just showing a different perspective. Part of the reason for the extension is a player has outperformed the old contract (in this case a rookie contract), so you are getting the player money sooner.

  90. i want Howard on the team, hes a turnover machine, but im not happy hes holding out, one year after renegotiating what was a year ago the highest paid CB in the league

    annual raises? wow, imagine if Dan Marino held out after he was destroying the record books

    Howard is a great player, but hes not a NFL record breaker

    most ints in a season is 14

  91. Tim Knight says:

    X was 1st team All-Pro in 2020, 2nd team All-Pro in 2018 and a 2-time Pro Bowler those same years. He and his agent are looking to cash in, nothing more. It’s a business guys.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I’m pretty sure everyone here gets the why of it. The reason most fans (at least on this board) aren’t lining up on his side, is because he just cashed in on a new contract 2 years ago. You know the thing we’ve been taking about, lol.

  92. Lions have expressed some interest in Howard earlier, and the rumours are still out there

    Dan Campbell is, never mind, we know who he is, but because hes a defensive minded coach it could be a good fit for Howard

    he would get all the millions he wants there, guaranteed starter, and be the anchor for a young and unproven secondary in Detroit

    if the fins had to trade him, we should get a first round pick and a second, or no dice, IMO

    there isnt anyone in the draft that has a skill set like Howard, thats rare and at best would need time to develop

    we would need multiple picks/players to get fair value, if a trade was done

    • Tim Knight says:

      Dan Campbell was a TE. Yes he likes physical football but not sure how he’s defensive minded coach.

  93. Tim Knight says:

    I think when you have a talent like Howard you work it out. The Aaron Rodgers situation is different. He’s been there since 2005 as an elite QB, not a 2016 CB.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I think turnover machines are hard to come by, so even though I’m not keen on his pushing for a new contract this year, I’d try to make it happen. If he wants 20 mil per, see ya!

      • CavalierKong says:

        I’d offer a contract just over Jones’, so he’s the highest paid on the team, but that’s me, lol.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Me personally, I’d pay him. It’s not going to be so much more. Our style of defense is built around man coverage and Howard is one of the best. We’re in year 3 of the rebuild (LOL), gearing up to compete now, not in 2-3 years from now.

      • stangerx says:

        The greater people think Howard is….. the greater his trade value is. That is part of the equation.

  94. we dont even know what Howard wants, he might want $30 million or more per season

    his new agent is infamous for being very greedy and difficult to work with,
    but players like those kind of agents, so they can hold out, and stick it to the team for more than the team can really afford

  95. interceptions are costly to opponents offenses, and even more costly to the team payroll

    imagine Howard getting 2-3 million, every time he picks a ball off, lol

    we see INTS and think of what they mean to a football game, but it works out to millions of dollars for an interception to the team, WOW

    even worse, if he has a bad season, and has 5 ints, i dont suppose he will return some of the money, team still has to pay big bucks for half as many picks

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s not just about INTs. There are many games where the WR against Howard have games like 2-19, 3-37 etc. He shuts them down. He’s our Revis. Players on the team have said I have no idea why they keep challenging him. 🙂

      • how much is that worth to the team? how much can the fins afford to pay?

        this problem was made much worse for overpaying for Jones IMO

        if we overpay for Howard, whats going to happen next year?

        im feeling the team already has a number, and that number wont get exceeded no matter what,

        because when all is said and done, the team needs to pay the other 52 players that will all be hoping to beat out the Howard contract someday

  96. Howard isnt the NFL s best cover cornerback, hes very good at it, but hes
    more of a lay off the WR a little, trick the QB into thinking he has a open WR, and swoop in for the
    Kill shot INT.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not accurate. Man coverage doesn’t mean press. It means you cover this guy whatever the coverage is. Howard excels in press, man and in trick zones. He’s a great corner and many of you are worried about a few more million dollars.

      Every time we land a great player, let’s become accountants about it. LOL

      We’ll see what happens but I will be majorly bummed if he’s not on our team. You don’t fuck with special unless a player is a malcontent which he is not.

      • im not worried over a few million, but i dont think that is what Howard wants

        we DO want him on the team, we didnt ask him to hold out for more money

        it MIGHT be shocking when some details come out, hope we are sitting down, lol

        its going to be astronomical IMO, but im hoping im wrong and its a number that wont cripple the team

        if we have to gut the team for Howard, we may have to pause, and really think about if that is the best way to rebuild

      • and ill be bummed if hes not on the team too, AGREED

        lets hope this gets worked out

    • i cant believe Jones is number 5, wow

      i dont think he is worth it, but obviously the team did

      the Dolphins will have a secondary not many can afford, lol

      • Tim Knight says:

        Jones is a great corner, just not a ballhawk. He covers his guy and creates lots of incomplete passes. He even admitted that his lack of INTs is ridiculous. Having him and X on boundaries most of the time challenges an offense every week. Improve our pass rush and middle coverage like I think we’re doing, and it gets even tougher. I think we’re building a monster on defense. We just haven’t seen it yet. 🙂

    • CavalierKong says:

      Part of Howard’s problem is he is actually only getting about 12-13 mil per year for the rest of his contract because of the payout in 2019. That knocks him out of the top 10. It kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier.

      Is the team paying him part of that salary in 2019 saying ok, we know you should be getting more this year, or is it just like the contract says- an agreement between the parties that even though he is getting paid in 2019 it is actually for the following years? We have no idea how those negotiations and agreements are settled.

      If he wants to be the highest paid CB, we’re talking about going from a 12+ mil cap hit to a 21+ cap hit per year (obviously subject to how they work a new deal). That is not insignificant, and it’s why that ‘few more million dollars’ does matter.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Clarification- his cap hit will be anywhere from 12-14 mil each of the next 4 years.

  97. if Tua does well and his rookie contract is up, hes going to want a big raise, i mean big, thats how it goes with quarterbacks as we all know

    we all want Tua to improve, and he likely will, but hes a relative bargain for an NFL starting QB, we wont have to give him a big contract until his rookie contract is up

    so the team might feel they can at the very least afford Howards demands, until the Tua signing which gives them a few years to play with, maybe longer if things play out against the cap

    who knows how they are looking at it, but i dont think they are happy with him holding out, he needs to get in by preseason IMO, maybe a signing will come very soon

  98. right now, the holdout is one day of OTA, not really a big deal in the whole scheme of things,

    but think of other holdouts we have witnessed, they tend to get uglier by the day until something breaks

    the team has to be feeling a need to wrap this up and move forward, and not let it dwell into the regular season

  99. stangerx says:

    “I want to play here the rest of my career. I love it here. I love the fans. I love the organization. I love everyone here. I can definitely see myself playing here a long time. … The contract stuff’s the contract stuff. I really don’t care for that right now.”

    — Jerome Backer showing how to be the first player to get a fat new contract from the Phins.

  100. New Age says:


    I have two big problems with Howard. First, we got almost nothing out of his first year of the new contract. 5 games isn’t a lot. Should we then ask him for some of that year’s money back since he really didn’t earn it? Most would say no but his amazing year last year was almost an equalizer for the terrible previous year. 1 int and 4 passes defensed isn’t awesome for even 5 games but he still got paid.

    My second issue is injury. Guy has played 70% of the games he could play. He’s only played 16 full games twice. Should the highest paid player have a better injury history?

    Guy’s getting paid more next year and the year after that is part of the NFL. If he can’t handle it now, will he ever? I think 2-3 years from now…he’ll want another new contract. Amazing player but not always available and can’t always keep getting top dollar. Top teams don’t pay 2 CBs more than everyone else especially once Tua starts wanting to get paid.

    • stangerx says:

      He’s being aggressive about it. He sure wasn’t when had the injuries. 6th best paid CB in the league, best paid when he signed. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s the best player on the team. Yes he’s had some injuries but he played all 16 games last year. 22 INT in 56 games. Not many have ever done that. There are also games you never hear his name because the guy he covers rarely catches the ball. He’s also an exceptional tackler.

      If I’m GM I have to make it work.

  101. IF game one of the regular season starts, and Howard is not suited up, at that point ill be hoping he gets traded
    if we can get him signed and ready to play game one, ill be excited to see him out there, hes a DPOY candidate IMO

    buti dont want him coming in during the season after he shanghaied the team out of money and games played, and there is alot of bad blood going on

    we can sign Howard, but we cant invite division in the house, because division will come in if invited

  102. New Age says:


    To go further, the reality that Howard replicates last year is close to zero. He will probably move back to the very good CB level than continue to push historic levels consistently. I still want him but it’s likely we’d pay too 2 salary for top 10 play instead of the opposite from last year. Not my money tho and he is great

    • Tim Knight says:

      He had 7 INTs in 12 games in 2018. 4 in his 2nd season in 2017. He’s a premier ballhawk. I don’t know what the future will be, but he’s a great player. We’re talking about $5-6 more million per. It’s not a big deal.

  103. this reminds me a little of when the Orlando Magic were struggling to sign Howard, lol

    Dwight Howard

    they didnt

  104. as long as Ross doesnt ask for federal government subsidies to sign Howard, i will be ok with whatever transpires, lol

  105. New Age says:


    I agree. One amazing year that will never likely happen again. Very aggressive when he was given free money in 2019. Not very appreciative and selfish doesn’t seem like traits that will go away after being paid since they didn’t last time lol. It irks me that he asks when he knows our cap is low too. Very selfish dude

  106. stangerx says:

    One thing about X is that he does want to extend his contract and have more years with the Phins. He just wants more money. Not sure ever heard of that before, but might be cause players don’t threaten holdout so early.

  107. D says:

    Want a quick run down of coverages. Man could be called shadow, press could be called assault and zone could be called bubble.

    Man you shadow the man you are assigned to cover. Could start out close or you could play it deep but your focused on one guy and at the point he gets to you you are in their back pocket.

    Press can start out press and fall back into either man or zone, but you basically assault the WR off the line hopefully breaking up his route or at least the timing of the route from that assault. You can then stick to the reviewer making it press-man or fall back to a zone making it press-zone.

    Zone you protect your bubble. You drop back into your bubble as soon as it’s snapped. you are supposed to watch players crossing your zone as well as watch the QB and basically look to jump the route. Really got to be pretty football smart to excel in zone.

    Lots more to these coverages like how ya handle it when a player crossed you zone and then leaves it. Do you stay with them switching to man or fall back into your zone and that’s all communicated among the DBs and LBs in coverage.

  108. CavalierKong says:

    We may still be trying to extend Ogbah and Gesicki this offseason as well. Not saying it has to be this way, but if reworking Howard’s deal means you have to let one of those two walk, which is it? (I understand that we could still potentially keep all 3)

    Instead of complicating it, open question: If you can keep 2 of those 3 players, which two do you keep?

    • D says:

      Howard and Gesicki unless Igmahogany really steps up then I trade Howard while the value is there and resign Ogbah which would likely come a much closer to value cost.

  109. Marinofan13 says:

    The only thing Xavien Howard doesn’t have going for him are his knees. New Age alluded to it above with his injuries/playing time. It’s no secret that his knees have been an issue in the past, so he may be trying to cash in one last time before he really loses his edge.

    • Tim Knight says:

      16 games and 16 starts last year. Nobody lasts forever. There are no guaranteed contracts in the NFL either. If you can’t play the capologist’s always find a way. 😉

      • Marinofan13 says:

        I don’t disagree, just stating a fact about X’s knees. Few casual fans realize that about him.

        For whatever it’s worth, I don’t want to part ways with X, either. This is going to be a sticky situation.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think the fans and media make it even more stickier. Sound familiar? LOL

  110. i think the Jones contract made it more stickier than the fans or media

    he just cant keep his eyes off of it, lol

    its just out there, Howard is the second most paid cornerback on his team, it has to be eating at him that hes by far a better CB than Jones

  111. Marinofan13 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 15, 2021 at 7:43 pm
    I think the fans and media make it even more stickier. Sound familiar? LOL
    I hear ya! The media is horrible.

    • we cant blame the media for the howard holdout and contract, thats not the main problem imo

      its the fact Jones makes MORE, and Howard and his greedy new agent want more

      the media could eat shit and die, and Howard wouldnt sign for less at their funeral, lol

      Howard WANTS the big money, period hes holding out for more money, not less media

  112. pheloniusphish says:

    Damn…Tim throwing $5 mil a year like it’s chump change!

  113. pheloniusphish says:

    The Patriot way would be to trade him. Remember Richard Seymour?

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I hate to say it, but I could really see that happening with X. And should that come to fruition, I’d totally understand it. Football is a biz.

  114. pheloniusphish says:

    Can’t hamstring the team for one player.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Only if he’s an elite QB. Otherwise, absolutely correct.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        And if ya want to get out from under that elite, diva player, ya draft his replacement (see Jordan Love in Green Bay as it pertains to A-Rod).

        In the case of X, much is contingent upon the growth of Iggy. Generally speaking, it takes a couple/few years for CBs to get up to snuff.

  115. Tim Knight says:

    Tua and other 1st round picks/top players will not be up for big contracts in the next couple of years.

    Paying X upwards of $20M does not bother me.

    • i dont think thats enough, Ramsey is going to make 21 million

      i would expect Howard to ask for anywhere from 25-30 million, and yes, that is shocking, but since Howard wants to renegotiate so soon, he obviously has already done everything he can , so far, to maximize his salary, the final part will be the signing of the gigantic contract

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Honestly, it doesn’t bother me either. However, I don’t want to see a MEGA, long-term contract. If X isn’t happy with his 5-year contract, then sign him to a 3-year, front-loaded contract that we can get away from in year 3 (making it easier to trade him if he fails us).

  116. you guys are hilarious blaming the media

    is howard holding out for less media? lol no,

    he wants big time money, the most on the team. the most in the NFL is what he wants and the team will have to work it out

  117. wyoming85 says:

    Candace Owens

  118. wyoming85 says:

  119. Marinofan13 says:

    It’s going to be interesting…


    • Marinofan13 says:

      Personally, I think EVERYTHING hinges upon the growth of Noah Igbinoghene. If Iggy emerges between now and the beginning of the regular season, I foresee a trade of either X or Byron.

      X and Byron, combined, are eating WAY too much cap space… and we drafted Iggy in the 1st round last year.

      What’s more, we’re trying to re-sign Gesicki and Ogbah.

  120. wyoming85 says:

    Make X an offer of what he’s worth!
    If he turns it down, trade him to the fricken Stej! and let him die on the vine!

  121. Krishna says:

    I wonder how much the NEW defense X played in in 2020 contributed to his stats/success?

    It’s never about one player in a team sport.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      The Boyer Defense probably helped X a lot… and he’s returning to it, with another EDGE in the fold with Jaelan Phillips to rush the passer.

      There is the potential for X to repeat his performance of last year, though QBs would be really stupid to throw it to his half of the field.

      See, X is so great in zone-coverage that he becomes a ‘center-fielder’. He’s worth it IMO, just not a long-term contract, being he wants to play hardball.

      3-year contract, front-loaded, with an out in the 3rd year.

      If he won’t honor his 5-year contract, give him a 3-year contract.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        I highly doubt X’s knees last past a 3-year contract.

      • Krishna says:

        And to press the point, it’s been a long time since I’ve seen an aggressive, where the fuck are they coming from, in your face defense from the Dolphins until last year.

        I loved the effort, but still not enough talent. The D scheme maximized everyone’s play/success on the field.

        It wasn’t just X doing his thing. It was the team D/effort that allowed him to thrive.

  122. CavalierKong says:

    Lightning in control in the 3rd period, will tie the series up.

    • steveccnv says:

      Teams around the league bitching about the Lightning being 20m over the cap. They’re using the injured list as a way to circumvent the cap, by putting guys on it during the year, then bringing them back for the playoffs, when the cap doesn’t count

      • CavalierKong says:

        I saw something about that, either up the board or a headline, but I haven’t looked into any details. It seems like that’s a pretty big loophole if it’s true at face value.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I mean, the cap is like 80 mil, that’s an extra 25%, which is kinda crazy.

      • steveccnv says:

        They asked the Carolina coach after their series and he said something to the affect of hard to beat a team that’s 20m over the cap

      • steveccnv says:

        2 years in a row they’ve done it, basically loopholed their way to a title last year.

        They’ve been cleared of it, but people want to close the loophole as it goes against the integrity of the game

  123. Tim Knight says:

    X 4 and 7 INT seasons before Flores. Man you guys can’t even appreciate how good the guy is. SMH

    A lot of you are taking the side of big biz. I’m for the individual. Just saying. 😉

    • Krishna says:

      Not true….and think I support you in agreeing he has talent.

      I don’t recall much of 2018 and I’m not sure it’s relevant today. The defense I saw last year contributed to his success and his talent contributed to the Ds success.

      The D has filled several holes this year, I hope. So, what happens if no one throws against him or can and he has 5 ints?

      I agree with David, I think he’s the better CB on the team and is tweaked he’s not being paid more than Jones. The Dolphins need to make this right in that regard, imo.

  124. CavalierKong says:

    Marlins and Cards locked up in a matchup of two teams near or at the bottom of their divisions- the ol’ moveable object vs the stoppable force, lol.

    • CavalierKong says:

      sigh, Cards really blew it in the 8th

      We start off with two singles, first and second, no outs. We bring in a pitcher to pinch hit. He must be a really good bunter if you’re bringing in a pitcher. He promptly bunts into a double play, and Marlins get out of the inning unscathed.

  125. steveccnv says:

    Marinofan13 says:
    June 15, 2021 at 9:45 pm
    For those who don’t know, if we trade a player, we don’t eat DEAD $$$.

    We do eat dead money, and as the article you provided shows its due against the cap at the time of the trade

    • steveccnv says:

      In a trade in the NFL all signing bonus money accelerates onto the cap of the team trading the player, just like as if the player was cut.

      There’s no dead money carryover, because it’s already paid when the trade is made

      • CavalierKong says:

        So if I’m reading that right, the unpaid portion of the signing bonus counts towards the current year of the team trading the player. We’ve paid about 3.5 of his 7 mil signing bonus, so if we trade him this year, he counts as 3.5 against our 2021 cap, right?

      • steveccnv says:

        Correct, if you’re using paid to mean paid against the cap.

        Haven’t looked at Xs contract, but in general, if you have a 4 year contract with a 20m signing bonus 5m against the cap per year, so if you trade him after say 2 years any guaranteed money belongs to the new team and the 10m cap hit not yet counted goes to the old team

    • Tim Knight says:

      He was wrong on this. It depends on the contract but if it’s a considerable deal there is always dead cap when moving a player.

      The only time I really focus on the cap is when I think it’s about overpaying. Like with Landry. 😉

  126. olddolphan says:

    LIGHTNING COME THROUGH with a must-have 4-2 win over the Islanders tonight in down town Tampa. The Bolts are now 11-0 following a loss during the last two playoff seasons. Tampa Bay’s big stars played like big stars during this contest, and it made a huge difference from game 1. STEVE, as for the bitching about being over the cap, the rules are exactly the same for ALL TEAMS!! If some of the teams don’t like these current rules, they should introduce a rules change during the annual owner’s meetings. The fact that no such rules change has been put up for a vote tells me that the vast majority of the team owners are happy with the status quo.

    WHINERS never win. Winners never whine (except in Buckeyevile where whining has been raised to an art form).

    GAME 3 in Longeyeland in about 45 hours. Prediction?? –PAIN!!

    • steveccnv says:

      I said it was within the rules, but whoever cleared them needs to look in the mirror.

      You even suggested in your reply there’s an issue.

      The rule was put in to help teams with injuries, now, because of the bolts teams with injuries will suffer

    • steveccnv says:

      A rule change is exactly what Carolina, Pittsburgh and some others are suggesting.

      There’s always someone that spoils it for everyone else.

      My grandmother used to play bingo in Miami, they’d have a large spread of free food, but, because people would pack their bags with food and take it home they stopped the free food, this is no different

  127. CavalierKong says:

    Steve, that’s nuts about the Lightning cap thing. I’m surprised more wasn’t made out of it last year since it’s been two years in a row. Very Belicheat-ian.

  128. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, I was posting here and missed a quick end to my Cards game. Goldy with a leadoff homer in the 9th. Cards have two wins in a row for the first time in something like 3 weeks.

  129. steveccnv says:

    It’s a breezy 104 right now, with 6 mph winds, sitting on balcony

  130. Tim Knight says:

    The bottom line is we’re trying to build a team to beat the Buffalo Bills. It’s not about the Pats though I think they’ll be a pain is the ass this season. I expect the Jets to be more competitive too. But you have to slow down Josh Allen. You have to beat the Bills to win the AFC East.

    • bailbondmike says:

      Read this yesterday. Knew this was happening already but her comparison to NK is eye opening.

      “You guys have lost common sense to degree that I as a North Korean cannot even comprehend,” she said.

      “Where are we going from here?” she wondered. “There’s no rule of law, no morality, nothing is good or bad anymore, it’s complete chaos.”

      “I guess that’s what they want, to destroy every single thing and rebuild into a Communist paradise.”

      She’s kind of sexy also. lol

      • steveccnv says:

        Really like to hear what the left apologists here have to say.

        Not sure how you can defend this, except it’s not true, but everything we’ve heard about what they’re teaching our kids, even from the mouths of our kids says it is true

  131. steveccnv says:

    Tua throwing 5 ints in a monsoon yesterday is what was reported, but how about some real reporting on why it happened, besides just the drill was to be aggressive downfield and try to fit it in small windows.

    How about a breakdown, were the throws late, tipped, or were they thrown into windows that had virtually no chance to be completed, some details please.

    It’s just practice, but if they’re going to make a big deal about it, then put it in perspective.

    Tua didn’t seem concerned, but admitted some throws need to be better

  132. ocalarob says:

    CavalierKong says:
    June 15, 2021 at 11:51 pm
    Our heatwave starts tomorrow, not quite Vegas, but we’re supposed to hit 110 thu and fri
    heat wave in calif is no joke, those fires are horrendous

  133. steveccnv says:

    Woke, blm/antifa riots, school indoctrination, free shit to everyone, pay to stay at home, budget bills filled to the rim with pork, open borders… when is enough enough?

  134. D says:

    Btw we eat dead money on a trade. The only thing we don’t eat is contract money. Trades we wouldn’t take as bit a hit but we do take a hit for the that year guaranteed money.

    • steveccnv says:

      We’d take a hit for that year’s guaranteed money, if the trade was made at the trade deadline or after the season, but not now, the new team assumes the current contract

      • D says:

        I thought ya had to do it before June 12 deadline to get them to take on the this year contract guarantees.

      • steveccnv says:

        After the season started, not after the season

      • steveccnv says:

        I don’t think so D, doesn’t make any sense to me why there would be a June 12th deadline.

        I mean you made a trade, the new team assumes any future payouts, unless some stipulation was put in the trade

  135. D says:

    Oh and as for the indoctrination of students, its a very real thing.

    My step-daughter went to George Washington University in DC to study both law and political science. She went in with a balance of conservative and liberal ideals, she by the first semester was starting to be fully liberal biased, and pretty much a socialist, as she started really really supporting Bernie and the different topics she would be very passionate about were deeply rooted in socialism.

    By end of year 2 she claims membership in both BLM and Antifa, is posting very progressive liberal rhetoric on Facebook, etc. Now i applaud her for being herself, finding her own way, but i cant help but know, the girl who i knew all of her life has been drastically steered in this direction.

    We never pushed any conservative ideals on her at home, other than observations she may have made about our own political beliefs, but I’m not even a strong right leaning conservative, i am more fiscal conservative and maybe slightly right of center socially, but again, nothing pushed on her, but it certainly feels like it is now.

    • D says:

      For the record, i do admire the passion and idealistic mindset she has, but the progressives have snatched that up and very much have her brainwashed. She even comes home and talks to my little kids, one 12 year old and one 8 about these political things and they cant even understand what the hell she is really talking about, but she is already pretty much pushing it on them.

      • sb7mvp says:

        It’s not just college. My oldest kid starting spouting that nonsense almost 5 years ago and she’ll be going into sixth grade next year. But, I will say it started to backfire because she’s starting to go the other way with her comments in the last year. I guess you can only hear how bad of a person you are for being white so much before it starts to get old.

      • D says:

        Yeah, my 8 year old, i think was 2 years ago told me that Obama was the greatest President ever, and i mean how does a 6 year old know anything about that kind of stuff so you know she was told it.

    • steveccnv says:

      My son isn’t political and hates govt in general, they can’t indoctrinate him he’s too smart.

      He’s preparing to take the LSAT

      • D says:

        Yeah my kids are pretty hard to manipulate as well and probably because of my disdain for politicians in general it wont be as easy for him to trust what they say about political stuff either. We will see, he is only 12 but right now seems to have a healthy dose of skepticism when it comes to political talk.

  136. steveccnv says:

    Dead money is mainly for bonuses already paid that the cap cost hasn’t been charged.

    Pay 20m in bonuses in year 1, but only 5m is going against year 1 cap, so 15m is cap cost not yet counted against the cap, so if the player is cut or traded you still have to count it against the cap, therefore dead money is cap costs for players no longer on the team

  137. steveccnv says:

    My 13 year old half sister is into blm, my dad can’t tell her shit, she knows everything…they’ve really filled her mind with some bad shit, to where she tried to commit suicide.

    So Cal school district

  138. steveccnv says:

    My friend sent me this

    I was watching something online when they had the boat parades for Trump. And this one lady was saying the reason you don’t see any Biden supporters out on the water with their boats is because they don’t give boats out for free. LMAO!

  139. D says:

    Maybe im thinking June 12th the cut deadline where if it happens after then they can defer the cap hit to the next year. Still i think maybe its just new league year that’s the line where the current team eats that years dead money unless negotiated in the trade details. I think we would be on the hook for it. Lemme check over the cap they outline all that on their web page.

    • steveccnv says:

      Check if you want, but dead money is basically any money you paid, that hasn’t counted against your cap

    • D says:

      No there is a dealine and its for both cut and trade on June 1st. I thought i remembered that right.

      • D says:

        So dead money if traded pre-June 1 is 4.2mil, but since we are past June 1 is 1.4mil dead money since some of the guarantees are already paid and therefore not counted against cap.

      • steveccnv says:

        Deadline for what?

        If you paid it you have to count it against the cap, a deadline is irrelevant for this discussion, because all it might do is allow you to count it in future years, but you still have to count it against the cap at some point

      • D says:

        I think dead cap is the money in guarantees not yet paid, like for example the 1.4mil was the prorated signing bonus. Im not sure what the 4.2 was, was it this years guarantees then deferred to the next year or what. Check it out, I’m not making it up. Overthecap has it broken down where you use the drop down on the side and it will tell you the cap hits post and pre June 1 on both trades and cuts. Like i said i thought i remembers a breakdown sometime in June, that’s all i was saying the rest is Overthecap’s numbers/facts.

  140. D says:

    Either way the trade if it happens is 1.4 in dead cap, so he is fully tradeable without any significant loss monetarily speaking, hit on the over strength of the D would be significant though.

  141. steveccnv says:

    X has guaranteed money this year of 13.5m and 2.775m in cap charges for money already paid, if traded the new team would likely assume the 13.5m in guarantees, but we’re still on the hook for 2.775m this year in dead money plus next year for 4.2m in dead money.

    Not sure what you’re trying to say D

    • D says:

      According to Overthecap, that’s correct pre June 1, post June 1, its 1.4, which is the prorated signing bonus, the rest of the 4.2 im assuming is deferred to next year, as that’s generally what the post June 1 cuts do. Pre June 1 some of the cap hit is on this year, post June 1 its on next year. I dunno man, argue with Overthecap its coming straight from their web page, which i do trust.

      • D says:

        I think the hit is still 4.2 no matter how ya slice it, but the dead money is moved to next year not this year.

      • steveccnv says:

        Yes 1.4 is the prorated signing bonus, that is due this year no matter what against the cap.

        It’s also 1.4m for each of the next 3 years, so 1.4m X 3 = 4.2m

        4.2m + 1.4m = 5.6m in dead money that has to be paid at some point

      • D says:

        Yeah it just clicked in my head what you were saying and what i was saying which was the same thing, i was just talking specific to this year and you were talking overall.

  142. steveccnv says:

    Simply put: Dead money is the salary cap space a team must allocate to a particular player who has been cut. It serves as a device to ensure that every dollar a team has paid players is eventually allocated to that team’s salary cap.

    2nd sentence says it all

    • D says:

      I get that, but the June 1st deadline is about what year the cap hit falls on. Wouldnt be 4.2 this year it would be 1.4, and then 2.8 the next

      • D says:

        Seems like we might be arguing two different things

      • steveccnv says:

        Yes we are, I’m talking about dead money overall, you’re talking about dead money this year, but you’re also putting in stuff that isn’t true

        Like: I think dead cap is the money in guarantees not yet paid

      • D says:

        Well granted i did say i thought, because i was trying to bridge the gaps between our arguments but postulating on why both of us had different numbers, i know your a contract/cap guy so i didn’t feel like you were wrong i just couldn’t figure out why the source i had, which i trust and your information, which i trust wasn’t matching.

    • D says:

      I postulated poorly, lol what can i say my perfection is only skin deep it seems lol

      • steveccnv says:

        Lol, sometimes having 1 fact out of place can cause several extra posts by all involved.

        Not a cap expert, just have simple/general cap facts knowledge and know it generally well, the details and stipulations bore me, so don’t pay attention to that stuff.

        If I can’t simplify it I don’t care about it or understand it, but certain facts are paramount, like the basic definition of what dead money actually is

  143. Marinofan13 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    June 15, 2021 at 10:42 pm
    X 4 and 7 INT seasons before Flores. Man you guys can’t even appreciate how good the guy is. SMH

    A lot of you are taking the side of big biz. I’m for the individual. Just saying. 😉
    I’m for the player 99% of the time. However, one man can over-eat, thus taking food from others (salary cap)… we’re trying to build a solid all-around team.

    What I’m proposing should be satisfactory to both the player and the team: 3-year deal, front-loaded contract, that makes X the highest paid CB in the NFL. X gets PAID, and we beat his knees going out by making it a 3-year deal instead of a 5-year deal.

    X is worth the $$$, IMO. Like I said, I’m for the player 99% of the time and X is no exception. I just don’t want to be entering year 4 or 5 of a contract where we’re married to his knee issues.

    • steveccnv says:

      If we have any aspirations of doing anything this year in the playoffs X must be happy, healthy and a part of it.

      Why were our D stats somewhat poor, but our points against so good? Turnovers and 3rd down D, which X was a big part of, but so was the scheme.

      The scheme allows guys like X to get 10 ints, but if X isn’t there and someone like a Byron Jones clone is in his place he isn’t getting 10, so the success between X and our scheme is joined at the hip

    • D says:

      Well with the concerns related to his knees, thats my argument right there. I give him bonuses on current contract that COULD equal to what he wants to get, maybe even a bit more and if he plays X number of games and makes X number of INTs or whatever metric, etc then i boost that salary to where it needs to be. I use the concern of the knees to relate the risk we are putting in by upping his money to the risk we would be paying him that money and him sitting on the bench or on the IR. I also could re-do the contract to give him a few more guarantees in his first year ot two for security, but i wouldn’t overall change the contract or do an extension right now, i think that’s probably bad policy and precedence.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        Whatever it takes to keep X happy, while also being rational for the team.

      • steveccnv says:

        Don’t care about precedence as it applies to other non elite players, as it means nothing to them, but it might to someone like Tua and Waddle some day.

        Some good points on the knees, that would need to be included or factored in with some not so easy to achieve bonuses.

        He wants to be paid as the top cb in the league, he needs to play that way every year and be on the field, the performance bonuses would be win win.

        Don’t really like stat based bonuses though for a CB, because he could be total lockdown, but low passes his way, so low ints.

        Just come up with some metric like a combo of team stats vs personal stats

  144. bailbondmike says:

    So now Hunter Biden is going to be selling his art work that he is making by blowing paint through a straw. The paintings are going to be sold for between 75K and 500K. Buyers are going to be kept 100% confidential.

    Seems the Biden’s have come up with another way to buy access to the President. On top of that, the art industry is one of the easiest ways to launder money.


    • D says:

      Well i mean there isnt anything illegal they could do anything about but i get what your saying, that guy is about as untalented as they come, maybe his art will get laughed off the stage by the true critics and expose the potentially nefarious one for paying big money for what amounts to a kindergartners finger-painting project.

      • D says:

        I guess i went a little heavy on the criticism of the quality of the work. Its pretty decent, but it seems quite commercial in quality, kind like a emotionless Jackson Pollock. To me, the fact he did some of it by blowing paint through a straw, it wouldn’t interest me at all. In that sense its a neat method for creating some of those design but it doesnt have the underlying passion that a true artist brings. Its like any other commercial art work i have seen just done a little differently, the finish product doesn’t do much for me, much the same that other commercial artwork doesn’t. Felt like he deserved a bit more of my opinion on it that i first threw out there dogging it as a kids finger-painting product lol.

      • bailbondmike says:

        Yeah, nothing illegal about it but the motive is so obvious to me.

      • D says:

        You can paint/create for the rest of the world or you can create for yourself and have some of the world captured by it, to me that’s the main difference in commercial quality vs true artistry. Id rather see someone’s hideous work of passion than anything commercial grade. Sorry its kind of a big deal to me what’s called art and what’s not.

      • bailbondmike says:

        Yeah, someone referred to it as hotel/motel art. Nothing worth a half million dollars. I think it is a vehicle for those who do spend that type of money for it to gain access to his dad. IMO

      • bailbondmike says:

        Again, buyers info is going to be kept confidential.

      • steveccnv says:

        Identity kept secret screams access to dad.

        The product is kind of like an MLM companies products in that they’re over priced, but it doesn’t matter to the person buying it, because it’s not the real thing that’s being bought

        Just more of the same from America’s #1 crime family

    • steveccnv says:

      The paintings are going to be sold for between 75K and 500K.

      Based on the level of access

      • D says:

        Bad for the world of art, but about what you expect from a guy who has been profiting of Daddy’s fame his whole life.

  145. D says:

    Incidentally i was a painter for a while in my life and i made some really nice, but very boring things because i was taught to paint/create scenery that was appealing to others, i didn’t really find my love of it until i broke away from that, and really that’s not a teachable anyways so i mean, thanks to the lady who taught me the basics, but at a point in time i was held back by it too. I mean a bunch of people can replicate a picture of scene in a different medium but not many people can feel it and transfer those feelings to the paint, by subtle things like paint strokes or alternate painting methodologies.

    I see the person and the emotion in the Pollock, one of my favorites. I feel the darkness in “Starry Night”, by Van Gogh, another my favorite artists, and likely my favorite single painting. You feel like you are sitting there in that place and time when you look at “A Sunday Afternoon” by Seurat. Yeah each has really unique styles, but that’s not what makes those paintings great, its what makes them interesting, the great is from what’s captured ion that painting.

    • sb7mvp says:

      I’m an artist too, but really haven’t done anything in a while, because art school really soured me and killed the love for me. Although I’ve been trying to get into watercolors lately
      I think Jackson Pollock as trash, but I could be suffering from PDS. People calling what he did as art really angries up my blood. I’m fully aware of my bias and I don’t care. lol.

      • D says:

        Lol i read between the splatters. Fully admit its not for everyone and i have seen other artist i saw that did similar things and it just couldn’t replicate what i felt from the first Pollock i saw. I think art can be a personal experience so its completely understandable to not have the same connection to the art as another person, it just matters that someone does have a connection to it i think.

        Like i said, trash it might be, but to me its trash with loads of passion. He was not a good person, and i understand if people just dont like him because they feel like he was a drunken jerk, but i kind of see drunken jerk in those paintings, its not always a positive feeling you get from his stuff in my opinion, but the fact i get something from it and can pretty much see the different mindsets he was in when he made different pieces, that’s what its all about to me, otherwise its just paint slung on a canvas.

        I think he is the artist i feel the most connection to emotionally about his work because its all out there on the canvas, others i like were more subtle and got their point across but there is something about Pollock to me that in your face and i really like that.

      • steveccnv says:

        Don’t know shit about art, but you seem passionate about why you don’t like Jackson Pollock, I laud that honest reasoning

        The paintings seem a little too commercial

      • D says:

        I haven’t painted in a very long time, i have done some digital art stuff and i like it ok but i dont have the same connection i had when painting on canvas. Life kind of got in the way of the time i need to really create. Is what it is, id kind of like to get back into it, obviously i still feel very strongly about it but finding the time is hard right now.

    • D says:

      I could go on all day about what i get from Pollock’s painting but they just seem very real and true to life, chaotic with bits of organization at times in the midst of that chaos and i can relate to that feeling.

  146. Randy says:

    My daughter just graduated from college with her teaching degree. After her third year she and I had a conversation about how they are taught. She said it was nothing but social justice BS. I was curious how they could get away with that. I was pretty pissed, and I even offered to go talk to the head of the teaching program. Hell, I’m paying for her education. I should be able to voice an opinion about it. My daughter was mortified and begged me not to. She said it would get her in trouble with the program, may jeopardize her standing in the program(complete BS) and wouldn’t do any good anyway. I still get pissed about it. College should be a time where you are exposed to all sorts of new and different ideas and thoughts…but it shouldn’t be an indoctrination into any of them. It should be a time for exploration and questioning….everything.
    On the pronoun thing, we are expected to use preferred pronouns in our documentation. So, I asked my supervisor once if a client with a fixed delusion tells me they are Jesus Christ or an angel or Hitler….all of which have happened….should I document their “preferred identity” as such? I was told that wouldn’t be appropriate as they are based in delusional thinking. I said that someone who was born one sex and says they are another is also a delusional belief….so what’s the difference? Let’s just say it quickly turned into a “Do what you’re told.” conversation. Lol

    • D says:

      Yeah Gay/Straight thats about preference in attraction, completely understandable. The im not what my biology says i am, thats a whole different thing and indicates to me at least some identity crisis or sever depression and self loathing.

      • steveccnv says:

        The gay straight thing seems to be so yesterday, 99.99% could careless any more, as it should be.

      • steveccnv says:

        Wasn’t done writing, but it magically posted

        …the gender identity thing won’t ever be there, because it goes against the principle of Science

    • steveccnv says:

      There may be some hope afterall🤪

      Lately, like the conversation I had earlier with D about dead money, it seems many of us have the same thoughts and ideas about things, but 1 little difference holds us up from agreeing

  147. Randy says:

    Just like a pro athlete getting a contract and fans complaining that they were “overpaid”. Then, other fans say they were paid what the market allowed. The same goes for art. I wouldn’t pay a dollar for a Van Gogh painting, for instance. They look like something a 5th grader would do…but they are “worth” what somebody will pay for them.

    • D says:

      When it comes to buying or selling art that’s the deal. I wouldn’t but one either even if I had the means because it’s not about the ownership to me is about the appreciation. Some treat it like an investment which I guess I get that, it’s just not for me. No way I would buy a piece of art then lock it away where I couldn’t appreciate it.

    • Rhino says:

      Impressionism, post impressionism, and other movement toward abstraction were responses to the “camera”. Replication was no longer a variable driving art … but artists were more interested in the developing sciences of optics, thus trying to replicate how the human eye experiences rather than how the human mind remembers. Van Gogh is not about replication, but about experimentation with color and optics and how they relate to emotion. I’m a big fan of later abstract expressionism for this very reason.

      This After School Special has been brought to you by: (fill in sponsor).
      “The More You Know…” 🙂

  148. steveccnv says:

    Barry Jackson
    A deluge has forced Dolphins practice inside the bubble. Tua was very good in outside session

    • Rhino says:

      I read about the 5 INT practice, and like you I essentially rolled my eyes and lamented off season gossip. lol If they want Tua to take more chances, he’s gotta practice it. Until a preseason game I will just let the boys ‘practice’. 🙂

      • steveccnv says:

        Only way to learn, especially after how tight he played last year, by the team’s doing or not

  149. ocalarob says:

    Look at the bright side, he only had 3 picks against Buffalo in the 56 to 26 drubbing!

  150. stangerx says:

    “Tagovailoa threw a 40-yard TD pass to Jaylen Waddle in the next series, and then delivered a 30-yard TD pass to DeVante Parker.” That’s nice to read….. some of the other stuff not so much.

    A detailed report from minicamp

  151. ocalarob says:

    this rough & rowdy amateur boxing is great, and the ring girls are incredible!

  152. stangerx says:

    LOL — Is Le’Veon Bell a poster on this blog? Here on why said would retire rather than play for Andy Reid.
    “I said what I said & I don’t regret at all what I said,. For those who have a PERSONAL PROBLEM with me because of what I SAID, that’s fine…you have your right! just understand I ALSO have MY RIGHT for how I feel about MY PERSONAL problem with dude because of what HE SAID to me.”

    “I’m not about to get all into depth on why I feel the way I do, but I have my right to feel the way I feel,. The ONLY thing I would change is commenting how I really felt on social media… I’ll admit that’s somethin’ I could’ve and should’ve kept to myself & I apologize about that and that only… but I don’t regret what I said, because that’s how I feel.”

  153. Rockphin says:

    I got a message from Iphone / Apple today that said WordPress’s passwords were compromised and appear on a nefarious list of some sort (forget the exact message) I will just throw this out there as a bit of advice. Change your password for WordPress and if you use the same password for other sites, change those passwords as well. Just being safe.

  154. Marinofan13 says:

    Don’t know what’s up with Le’Veon Bell talking ill about Andy Reid, but it’s not going to help him land a roster spot with another team. Could it be that he has CTE, as many claim Antonio Brown has?

  155. sb7mvp says:

    i know it’s a time of football starvation, but I don’t really care what happens in these camps or practices.

  156. Marinofan13 says:

    Just sayin’…

    If we cut or trade Jakeem Grant and Eric Rowe… combined, we only get $1.5 in dead money, while clearing out $10.6M in cap space.

    If Noah Igbinoghene can lock down the boundary CB position opposite X, we could move Byron Jones back to his natty Safety position (replacing Rowe).

    That would give us a total of $20M in cap space to work with entering the season. Thus, we could extend Gesicki and Ogbah… with enough money to make something happen with X.

  157. Marinofan13 says:

    I’m curious…

    How many of y’all listen to music in the background while commenting here on the FMU?

  158. stangerx says:

    M13 — we can extend whoever we want. You do that and almost all about future cap. Exception to that is X , who wants a raise rather than an extension. But that could kick in for future years with some guarantees. Not like he’s struggling to pay rent on $13 mil now.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I realize we can extend whoever we want. The question becomes: do you reward a holdout?

      • stangerx says:

        Thought above you were talking about cutting people to free up cap space to extend. Must have read it wrong.

        As to a holdout….. each one is different. Take X. For him is the great 2020 season. Against him is he just signed a long-term contract. I’d be a bit fish or cut bait with him, but might give him something.

  159. sb7mvp says:

    Marinofan13 says:
    June 16, 2021 at 4:49 pm
    I just don’t want it to be a blockbuster 5-year MEGA deal with his knees.
    I’m sure the deal will be for all of him. *rimshot*

  160. Marinofan13 says:

    stangerx says:
    June 16, 2021 at 5:14 pm
    Thought above you were talking about cutting people to free up cap space to extend. Must have read it wrong.

    As to a holdout….. each one is different. Take X. For him is the great 2020 season. Against him is he just signed a long-term contract. I’d be a bit fish or cut bait with him, but might give him something.
    I proposed my deal regarding X last night and spoke to it further today up the board. I don’t want to sound like a broken record already, but for you, I will… 3-year deal, front-loaded contract, making him the highest paid CB in the NFL.

    If he’s not happy with his 5-year deal, we’ll just have to make it a 3-year deal, beating his knees before they give out on him. Win-win.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I’m really not the type to have to repeat myself dozens of times! LOL

      • Marinofan13 says:

        The idea is that we can make X the highest-paid CB in the NFL, but he loses the 5-year contract we’d previously rewarded him. WINNING!

      • Marinofan13 says:

        If X is unsatisfied with this proposed contract, it’s then time to trade him while his value is sky-high.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        It’s been ‘guesstimated’ that we could get two first-round Draft picks for him if we were to trade him while he’s a hot commodity.

    • stangerx says:

      He’s got 4 years left on his contract and you would like to offer him top money for 3 instead. Have no problem with that suggestion. And yes trading X is a possible…. we’ll see what happens.

      And if you ever feel the need to not repeat something with me…. no problem. No do not read every post on the board. If I miss some nuggets of wisdom way it is.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        Seriously, I had thought that everyone (we’re all regulars) here reads most everything posted here… not like it’s reading “War and Peace” on any given day. Doesn’t take much to get caught back up, if one merely posted yesterday, no?

        As I stated, I have no problem having to repeat something for you, man. But it would have saved a lot of time for all of us had one briefly read through the previous posts since one left yesterday, that’s all.

        Otherwise, it kind of makes one feel as though one isn’t being read at all. I mean, most of us actually read everything that’s been posted, in order to catch up. I feel it’s a simple courtesy, acknowledging our fellow bloggers with their poignant thoughts.

      • stangerx says:

        While most people here may have read all 2,300 posts since Mike E’s last article, I am not one of them. If we make that mandatory for all who come to the board, seems a lot to ask. I do catch most though. And only a few “look what this guy said last night” posts come out.

  161. stangerx says:

    “Man, I’m excited to see (Waddle) go to work. Like you said, I see myself in him; so anything I can do to help him get going right now, I’m here for him. And then to see somebody that can work the slot just as well as me on the other side of the ball, and we’re all just going at it; it will be a lot of fun.”

    — Albert Wilson on Waddle

    • Tim Knight says:

      We have a lot of speed on offense will Wilson back in the mix and the additions of Fuller and Waddle.

      • stangerx says:

        And Grant has serious jets as well, if he makes the final roster.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah Bowden too. We also picked up Robert Foster who’s a speed guy but not sure his overall game is good enough.

  162. CavalierKong says:

    Marinofan13 says:
    June 16, 2021 at 4:57 pm
    I’m curious…

    How many of y’all listen to music in the background while commenting here on the FMU?

    I always comment from a room lit by soft candlelight with love ballads playing, and I imagine every person on the board is a smokin’ hot blonde holding an enormous bunch of bananas.

  163. Marinofan13 says:

  164. Tim Knight says:

    I think it’s time for the Dolphins to keep their best players, keep developing the young guys and build a championship quality team. Not keep trading and adding picks. At some point those picks need to be players on the field, not keep collecting picks for the future. The time is now to get into the competitive mix.

  165. stangerx says:

    Tua pick counter on the day — nada, zero, none

  166. stangerx says:

  167. Marinofan13 says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      The dude is grounded and he has talent. Like they said 2018 seemed so long ago but he was balling before that hip injury. I think we’ve forgotten that. He destroyed the Bears.

  168. CavalierKong says:

    A little over a month till training camp. Less than 2 months till our 1st preseason game. Less than 3 months till opening day. So close…

    • Mike E. says:

      Hey Kong, don’t rush away the damn summer! I love summertime

      • CavalierKong says:

        I used to love the summer, but more and more I hate the heat. We’re only in mid-june and it’s going to be over 100 for the next 4-5 days. I can’t wait to move away from Sacto to a more northerly location.

      • Mike E. says:

        Wow, it’s glorious here in NJ today. about 73 degrees, sunny, breezy, just perfect. Couldn’t really be any better

      • CavalierKong says:

        Ah man, I’m jealous. We probably won’t see 70’s again until late September.

  169. CavalierKong says:

    Cutdown days this year.

    85 by Aug. 17
    80 by Aug. 24
    53 by Aug. 31

  170. Krishna says:

    I think ATX is heading into the next 90 days of 90 degree weather, maybe weather. It’s better than 45+ of 100 degrees….lol.

  171. Tim Knight says:

    Yeah it’s gorgeous weather right now, we’ve finally got some of those 70’s degree weather days as opposed to 50’s right to 90’s. LOL

  172. Krishna says:

    Wyo, I saw a license plate today: Wyotexas. I was WTF, the guy is stalking me! Lmao!

  173. Marinofan13 says:

    I’ll trade my 70 degree weather for 90 or 100 degree weather EVERY TIME! I love the heat… just miss me with the humidity.

  174. wyoming85 says:

    I fricken melted twice today and had to be put in a ice bath to re-form!

    Come visit if your feeling chilly! 103 heat index today!

  175. wyoming85 says:

  176. pheloniusphish says:

    Mike/Tim – you had perfect weather but it was in NJ. I had shitty weather (hot, humid, rainy) but it was in the Keys. Where would you rather be?

  177. ocalarob says:

    who will be the surprise cut/trade this year?

    my monies on Preston Williams, he’s big but he doesn’t have the speed 4.6 and struggles to stay healthy, you can’t depend on him for a full season.
    with our wr room loaded with speed and talent, not to mention we have Parker and Gesicki who both are in the same mold as williams, i think he’s expendable.

  178. ocalarob says:

    Give Howard a bump, do what you have to do to keep him

  179. ocalarob says:

    Ocala weather great!

  180. ocalarob says:

    hey lefty’s, take a gander at the people you support

    • tucker is a conspiracy theorist, fearmongerer, racist, hates women, anti American, and a liar, why would you listen to such a horrible man? he doesnt even write his own stuff, hes a no talent hack

      he has proven to have no credibility too

      he wont even celebrate holidays, somthing wrong with him

      • steveccnv says:

        He is all of those things based on the fact checker of the left, maybe you should consider a new fact checker, one that makes a little more sense.

        For arguments sake let’s say he is all of those things, but you said he doesn’t write his own stuff, so if that’s true and he’s just reading a teleprompter like biden, what does any of those things you called him have to do with his material, if he doesn’t write it?

        Wouldn’t the integrity of the writer be what matters?

    • people should ignore tucker, hes not honest

  181. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – Are you insinuating that the Keys are nicer than the beautiful state of NJ?

  182. pheloniusphish says:


  183. Mike E. says:

    Well, I don’t live in Newark, although if you need to fly, Newark Airport works.

    • worst airport i have ever seen, i steer clear of it now

      ive seen better airports in third world nations

      • Mike E. says:

        It’s not a great airport but I’m not traveling 50 miles out of the way to go a different one, it’s about 40 minutes from my house.

      • gotcha, but i would, lol

        had horrible experiences there, i wont be repeating them, everything seemed broken, and closed. even the motorized steps coming off the airplane were broken, and the tarmac was flooded with a huge water leak, lol SMH

        they dont compare to the keys either, which was the question, lol

        i love the keys, very nice , except for key west is too crowded for such a tiny island

  184. WSJ discussing the USD rally

    the dollar is getting stronger against foreign nations fiat currencies

  185. when the dollar is stronger against foreign currencies, its cheaper to travel

    but when inflation is rocking, the dollar has less spending power in America

  186. we have a new holiday coming , Juneteenth celebrating the end of slavery

    it was unanimous in the senate, and overwhelming majority in the house,so its almost a certainty Biden will sign it

  187. sb7mvp says:

    Person A: Most won’t
    Person B: That’s not true, 9% are

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