What will the 2021 Miami Dolphins Defense look like?

Two of our top 4 picks in the 2021 draft were spent on defense. The #18 pick to me was the pivotal pick because I think adding Jaelan Phillips to this defense will energize a pass rush that improved last year with the addition of Emmanuel Ogbah who led the team, and also the emergence of “AVG” Andrew Van Ginkel who really came on last season. Keep in mind Emmanuel Ogbah had 8 sacks through 9 games last season and finished with 9, so 1 sack in the last 7 games. There’s a reason, opposing teams focused on Ogbah because Shaq Lawson wasn’t getting it done. So now we have the young pass rusher we need and in exchange for Shaq Lawson, we received ILB Benardrick McKinney. Don’t underestimate this move. As much as I believe drafting Phillips was so important to our defense, I think trading for Benardrick McKinney was a big step too, though not as much as getting Phillips. Consider that Elandon Roberts is rehabbing from a knee injury very late in the season (Game 16), we needed this. In addition, McKinney will be the perfect inside backer that will continue to allow #55 to be all over the field and we’ll now have a guy who can be productive against the run and can also chase down plays to the sidelines. In round 2 pick #36, the Dolphins took who they believe to be the starting FS opposite SS Eric Rowe, Jevon Holland. Holland will be given every opportunity to win that job as good ole Bobby McCain was let go.

I think our defense already had a very promising trajectory, even before the Lawson/McKinney trade and before the draft. I like our young, strong defensive line with DE’s Christian Wilkins and Emmanuel Ogbah and NT Raekwon Davis. Ogbah is the elder statesman at nearly 28 while Wilkins is nearly 26 and Davis is only 24. AVG will be 26 at season’s start and Jaelan Phillips is 22. These guys are just going to get better, and make no mistake, Jaelan Phillips is going to make this defense better. He will be a guy that must be accounted for and when there are multiple guys on your defense that fit in that category, that’s when defenses feast. I think Phillips is going to have that impact on our defense. If AVG can improve on the good work he did last year, our defense can be a real force. He played in only 46% of the defensive snaps and managed 5.5 sacks and 10 QB hits in addition to nearly 50 tackles. If he can earn more playing time and increase his production accordingly, watch out!

The secondary was already the premier unit of the defense and hopefully Jevon Holland can elevate it even further. Last season Bobby McCain played SS and played the majority of snaps there. This year Rowe will be playing SS and it’s expected that rookie Jevon Holland will play FS. Holland may also play some slot corner and nickel corner, a job Nik Needham handled most of the time last season. With two excellent cover corners in Xavien Howard and Byron Jones, this may be the best CB tandem in the NFL. Howard is the ballhawk and playmaker while Jones is your typical shutdown corner. Howard started and played in all 16 games finishing with an incredible 10 INT’s. Jones started and played 14 games last season and totaled just 2 INT’s, but as I said earlier, he does a great job of shutting down the receiver he is responsible for.

I honestly can’t wait to see this defense on the field. If Phillips lives up to the hype I’m bestowing on him this defense can be something to see. We so desperately need that player that opposing teams must pay extra special attention to and I can’t remember the last time we’ve had that. For some perspective, last season was the first season in which we accumulated more sacks on defense than we allowed in quite some time. We had 41 sacks and allowed only 34. In 2019 we allowed 58 and got only 23 of our own on defense. Still think the O-line didn’t improve??? I had to go all the way back to 2009 to find a comparison even close to last season. In 2009 we had 44 sacks and allowed 34. Our +7 from last season was impressive, imagine if we make that even better this season . . .

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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2,674 Responses to What will the 2021 Miami Dolphins Defense look like?

  1. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    It’s something I’ve said here numerous times times. The statistics are through the roof for black on black murders and crimes. It’s outrageous how many black people are killed by other black people. Hundreds of thousands each year but let’s march because 5-10 are killed wrongly by police, especially considering there are likely millions of interactions a year between so called racist police and black people. Fix the big problem. The whole systemic racism or systematic racism charge is a bunch of shit and and just a fancy label they like to throw around.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      It’s clear as day to me what most of the powerful politicians on the left say they stand for isn’t what they’re doing and want.

      People like AOC may have a good heart, but are just pawns or soldiers for the elites.

      They tell the people, that lean left, what they want to hear, then 95% of what they do is done for power and greed

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        The greed proof is in any spending bill. Take a look at how much goes to something other than covid relief or infrastructure.

        The power proof is immigration. Ted Cruz years ago proposed a bill, that said, we’ll allow some group of illegal immigrants to stay and become citizens, but they can’t vote for 10 years. Dems shot it down

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        AOC is a socialist bitch who should be stripped of her US citizenship and dropped off on a Venezuelan beach. Same for her little cohort and all their supporters, just different beaches. None of them deserve this country.

    • D's avatar D says:

      It makes it sound official like they have truly investigated it and done research to find its origin, so now they can officially state its all white peoples fault lol. Again, super complex issue, with super complex steps to making progress, and personally the goal is to minimize it as best ya can, you cant get rid of it.

    • its ALL wrong, and ALL of it needs to be addressed IMO, that was simple

  2. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Stanger – In regards to universal background checks – What do you regard as universal background checks? The “Gun Show Loophole” is largely a myth – If you have an FFL, you must run a background check and I don’t know of any shows that allow unlicensed vendors. Admittedly I don’t go to gun shows. Person to person sales – maybe.

    I would rather see them fix the current check system before adding more laws. The current system is weak because it relies on voluntary data input from local jurisdictions and medical institutions don’t input data at all.

    The problem with banning AR-type rifles is that it is a solution looking for a problem. For instance in 2019, 364 people were murdered by rifle, 200 by shotgun, and over 6,368 by handgun. So banning AR-type rifles doesn’t get you much. Of those murders, the overwhelming majority were the result of gang violence. I really don’t care much about criminal on criminal violence. the more they kill of each other the better. Also keep in mind that these were all homicides so were by there nature criminal acts already. Over 60% of gun deaths are suicides. If you’re going to commit suicide it’s generally by the easiest means available and if there’s no gun available you will find another way.

    The problem isn’t guns, it’s people. People who blame guns for violence are being intellectually lazy, willfully ignorant, or they are just simple.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Guns make it easier for people to kill people in larger numbers and faster than ever before

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        See the couple in St Louis, that would’ve had their home taken over by the mob, if it weren’t for their assault rifle

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        It’s always same thing with gun control people, they always go after the events that backs their agenda, taking away guns.

        Based on statistics as PP mentioned the large majority of murders are from hand guns.

        Why don’t they try to solve that problem first? Doesn’t fit the agenda

        BLM, but not on the Southside of Chicago. Why isn’t that more important than cops killing 5 unarmed black men per year? See agenda above

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        I didn’t say anything about an agenda. I made a simple factual statement that guns make it easier for people to kill more people faster than ever before. How you interpret that is up to you

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Didn’t say you said anything about agenda.

        If you really want to kill a lot of people, there’s ways of accomplthat without without high powered rifles.

        Attack the water supply for 1, but that wouldn’t give the effect.

        Mental health issues cause most of these problems, that’s where more emphasis needs to be placed.

        Back to what I was saying about agenda, taking away assault rifles is just 1 of many small things that lead up to the end game of total gun control, like in England.

        Don’t forget why the colonists left.

        The Constitution was created for the people to limit the power of govt, why would anyone want the govt to have more power and control of us?

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Fair enough. I tend to think the problem is larger than mental health but that is certainly an aspect of the problem

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      By universal background checks mean making everyone who buys a gun pass the same background check as they would in a gun store, no matter how the sale is done. And beef up the gun check database as you noted. Letting states decide to put the info in or not isn’t good enough.

  3. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    June 10, 2021 at 9:35 pm
    it feels racist to blame the only black president the nation ever had , on 250 yrs plus of slavery…

    There in lies the problem, it feels…nevermind the facts let’s base it on how it feels according to everything MSM has told you.

    They deal in manipulation from an agenda.

    Well I don’t just take their word for it, I look it up in Google… and read the biased posts they want you to…said the fool

    • D's avatar D says:

      David doesn’t it feel wrong to blame White Americans on slavery when it has been going on since the dawn of time and still continues by blacks on blacks?

      My family came over as English-Irish Americans, treated like dogs, force to work other fields just to exist. Were too poor to own slaves, so never were involved in that trade. Is it fair i have to wear the label of racist because of the actions of other whites for however long you want to count slavery as a thing (btw 250 years is a ridiculous statement to begin with since Slavery was abolished less than 100 years after America was officially a country).

      Why aren’t ya up at arms about Britain who not only had slaves, but were the first to bring them here, but also pretty much ran the slave trade for centuries.

    • google up how reagan did away with the fair doctrine and it will make sense why media is so slanted with lies

      and i am correct, we cannot blame obama for the nation being racist for 250 years plus

      that makes no sense at all.
      the math and logic doesnt add up for that. Obama is NOT 500 years old

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        No one is blaming Obama, we’re blaming the racist dems for slavery, Jim crow and every other racist event/policy before 1960, and some other things done by the current racist in the WH

  4. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    CavalierKong says:
    June 10, 2021 at 11:41 pm
    VGK takes control in the 3rd and is moving on to the Canadians. Pietrangelo gets the series clinching goal. I expect both the Lightning and Knights to cruise to the finals.

    The game last night was strange. Col controlled play the first 2 periods and most of the first 10 minutes of the 3rd.

    My theory is the game was lost before it was played, because Col seemed to be playing as if they were down 2 or 3 goals and desperate.

    In other words pushing forward too much leaving the back end susceptible.

    VGK took advantage with some snipped shots and were solid on D and in the net.

    Weird crowd too, nothing like game 4, that willed the victory.

    It was loud, but more after the fact and less sustained during play

  5. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Steve,
    What are the non-biased, fact based information sources that you get all of your information from?

  6. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Boyer came in at 4

    Miami Dolphins defensive coordinator Josh Boyer was ranked by PFF as one of the best defensive play callers heading into the 2021 season
    BY ALAIN POUPART , JUN 10, 2021

    There were a lot of factors involved in the success of the Miami Dolphins defense last season, from innovative game plans to brilliant individual performances by players like Xavien Howard.

    Think preparation during the week, which Flores is involved with is as important, if not more, than the actual game calls.

    Mostly they’ve predetermined what to call for any situation, based on opponent in D gameplan

  7. yesterday, desatan signed a bill in FL making it illegal to teach about systemic racism, how to fix legal and racial division, and teaching how slaves were brought over on ships , is not allowed either

    ignoring history, and whitewashing it, wont change it, and wont fix any current problems either

    avoidance and confusion is the tools of the racist devil, er i mean desatan

    but the good news is i wont lose my ability to day trade, will be able to buy real estate, and the conservative people that WANT me to be scared by claiming i cant do these things because im a white male , have failed to terrify Me

    im never afraid of unfounded fears, why should i be?

    there are REAL things in life that can induce fear, but falsehoods dont make the list, and wont.

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      No, he signed a Bill that makes it illegal to teach white kids guilt and all kids hate based on skin color.

  8. D's avatar D says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    June 11, 2021 at 10:54 am
    google up how reagan did away with the fair doctrine and it will make sense why media is so slanted with lies

    and i am correct, we cannot blame obama for the nation being racist for 250 years plus

    that makes no sense at all.
    the math and logic doesnt add up for that. Obama is NOT 500 years old
    —————————————————————
    You cant blame anyone but human beings for racism, and not one specific group or specific person. Certain people in position ot affect the narrative can make it better or worse, and maybe that’s their feeling is he had the opportunity to make it better but made it worse. Me personally i don’t know that i feel like that, i just not it definitely didn’t get better, but no he isn’t to be blamed for racism, just like most the rest of us is he didn’t help it either and that’s was the most let down i was about his presidency is i saw such potential for it to get better under him.

  9. unfounded fearmongering is harmful

    for example, warren buffet tried to talk shit and scare investors away from BTC a week ago

    he made the price tank, then this morning there is news that buffet invested in, You may have guessed it, a digital bank in a foreign nation that deals in crypto currency

    that is one example of why unfounded fears should be totally ignored

    the only REAL fear that exists in that situation , is losing your money when the billionaries lie cheat manipulate, and of course profit from the investors loss that believed his BS

  10. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    sb7mvp says:
    June 11, 2021 at 10:24 am
    Steve,
    What are the non-biased, fact based information sources that you get all of your information from?

    Reply
    steveccnv says:
    June 11, 2021 at 10:34 am
    Sites that aren’t controlled by globalist with an agenda
    __________

    So no sources then? I kind of suspected as much. If you have better sources than others, why aren’t you willing to share so that everyone is as well informed as you?

    • it may be beneficial to read all of the sources , left to right, or vice versa, and turn on the independent critical thinking skills and make your own decisiions

      i may have said something in the past that You arent all that bright, but i am sorry and dont feel that way, in fact, i DO believe You are intelligent, but like all of us, including myself, are buried deep into a sea of deceit from biased sources with agendas

      we have to swim out of it , or drown in it, good luck and God bless You and Your family

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      I find stuff a over the place, if it makes sense I look further, if the article is from MSM I’ll read as much as I can stomach, but take what they say with a grain of salt.

      When someone here keeps saying to do a Google search…already know the content is slanted.

      Try it yourself, Google any political topic and you’ll see at least the first couple of pages show articles from CNN, usatoday, wp, nyt…

      Do you guys really believe the stuff you read/hear from MSM, knowing their bias and agenda?

  11. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    David – If it’s ALL wrong, then why do BLM activists march and protest and loot and murder for the .0000003% of the murders of blacks rather than do something about their own internal problem, the hundreds of thousands killed each year by blacks on blacks? It’s sexy to protest a race issue, the liberal media eats it up like candy while liberal politicians get behind it like they really give a shit too, but it’s not the big problem, in fact it’s a very small problem that’s being overblown.

    • its a good thing you are identifying problems that exist, You are one of the brightest persons i have ever met, serious

      but problems have existed for hundreds of years, focusing only on BLM, doesnt address the root causes, and it doesnt fix anything

      its incredible the lengths of history avoidance, and excuses, the nation has made against women and minorities, incredibly unfair to them

      everyone feels something is unfair in their life, i think its unfair for shorters to do illegal naked shorts and feel its unfair to investors like Me

      Im sure You have some legit grievances in Your life as well.

      im not in favor of BLM doing violence, but i also have to try to understand that 400 years of violence against people, might make them violent back, lol

      the root of the problem has never been properly addressed, so the problem never goes away, the best way to fix a BLM problem, is address the root causes, and rectify errors of OUR past

      the ones pointing fingers , never bother to point at themselves, its too painful

      but maybe they should, critical self analysis can be beneficial

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      1000000%

      Same thing I’ve been saying, everything they do is agenda based, from a playbook…don’t let a good tragedy go to waste

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Hundreds of thousands each year?????

  12. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    Someone mentioned the Tulsa massacre.

    • D's avatar D says:

      See this guys i really like listening to, much more so than crazy eye guy lol.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Crazy eyed guy is just trying to point out the hypocrisy, in a way, that comedically doesn’t offend like someone saying it straight out

    • thats the same thing that has been happening for too long, racists murder people, but wont fess up to it

      the Tulsa Massacre happened, and so did the Ocoee Massacre near where i grew up as a child
      these things were horrific, race induced genocide, and stealing of their property

      after the Ocoee Massacre, the Orlando Sentinel had an ad that said, former negro orange grove and properties for sale

      and the guy that place the ad, was guilty of torching homes because blacks wanted to vote in an election, he profited from genocide against people for exercising their constitutional rights

      ignoring history, and making weak sauce videos like the one above, do noting to change history, and only make things worse

    • D's avatar D says:

      I do not agree with him on MLK, other than yeah some of his policies were socialistic, however he was a great black leader and his heart was in the right place to bring equality to all people. I don’t think at all any of his principles are being upheld by black leadership these days.

  13. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    David – Race issues have most definitely been around for hundreds of years, but we have made tremendous strides in our country in that regard. What I don’t understand is the current cancel culture that wants to just make believe things didn’t happen or weren’t there, like confederate statues or something as benign as Aunt Jemima pancakes and syrup. That would be like Jews wanting to remove any reminders of the Holocaust. You need to remember history, both good and bad as reminders of things that were good that need to continue to be done, and the bad things so to recall the things that should never happen again. Erasing history is a fools act. It may appear to appease people in the present but only harms people for the future.

    • the Holocaust example fits perfectly
      the cancel culture is also people that deny the holocaust, and the Tulsa and Ocoee Massacres, they are much worse than the ones changing labels on maple syrup imo

      there are some folks that deny the holocause, neo nazis, im certain You know of them

      they are brainwashing themselves by ignoring history, and using it to spread division and hate, so much hate that they would kill for the whacked out cause.

      screw the neo nazis, they are a huge part of any problem, and a roadblock to any solutions IMO

      but we also cannot ignore slavery, genocide and theft against US citizens that were only trying to make it in this world for their families, and to gain acceptance into the communities

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        I agree we can’t ignore slavery, but how do you ask people that had nothing to do with slavery pay reparations to people who were never slaves? Just make sure slavery never happens again, you can’t fix it any other way.

      • THAT is a very sticky subject

        i dont have all the answers to that, and i have also said the very same thing that You said in My past. almost verbatim

        but now, im thinking about it, we could make people like jeff bezos pay their FAIR SHARE, like YOU and ME

        and use a portion of that to put towards the ones that had ancestoral losses

        think about it, Most of us have benefitted in someway, from our parents, grandparents, and so on,
        but some did not have that chance, like the Jewish folks in Europe in WW2, and like the slaves, and black US citizens that got burnt out of their properties in AMerica for trying to vote

        the nation already has paid reparations in the past, for the Japanese internment camps, so they may have a legit claim

        i do agree that You and Me shouldnt have to pay for it, but i think someone like bezos and buffet, SHOULD to finally make progress against racial animosity and violence

  14. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    This talk about automatic rifles is such bullshit. Brought up by many who don’t know shit about guns.

    It only takes me about 10-15 seconds longer to empty the clip in my Steyr .308 bolt action rifle, if that much. With just about the same accuracy as it only takes me 1-2 seconds to get back on target after cambering another round.

    We are going to nit pick automatic rifles over 10-15 seconds. People are genius.

    • i can respect Your opinion, but i would like to ask, how do we make this nation safer from gun deaths? what is the best way to do it?
      my heart is very sad thinking about the publix baby, sigh

      there really needs to be a way to keep the citizens more safe than we currently are , improvements are needed IMO

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        Hang people who commit pre-meditated gun crimes!

        All of them, of every color, creed, and religion!

  15. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Slaves were owned mostly by the elites, seems we have a similar problem today with elites, but it’s financial and not slavery.

    Blaming people other than those with Slaves would be like blaming David for what the elites are doing today

  16. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    race induced genocide
    ———————-
    Someone didn’t watch the video. The Tulsa Massacre was not genocide. He refers to it as a “BLM” moment gone wrong, basically a race riot. Initially more white people were killed than blacks. Then more white people came and all hell broke out.

    He compares what happened then to what BLM has been doing now.

    Calling a black man “The Officer Tatum” weak sauce! That’s just racist David!

    • i called the video weak sauce, it does nothing to address the real problems and makes division worse

      do you think some people might be offended at genocide denial, Id bet my portfolio on it there are some

      so its offensive to some to deny reality, and whitewash the past IMO, and doesnt solve any problems, makes them worse

  17. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    What he says about slavery in the above video is history also but is left out cause it doesn’t meet the narrative.

  18. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    how do we make this nation safer
    ——————————–
    See Wyoming’s response. I concur with him.

  19. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    X had an incredible season, do you want turnovers? pay the man

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      It’s such a strange setup that the NFL has. Teams can just rip up contracts and cut players, but players can also sign contracts and then ask for new contracts and hold out after a season or two after signing a contract that made them the highest paid at their position at that time. I don’t have a problem paying Howard, but I’d make sure the guaranteed money was in the next couple of seasons only before his skills decline and his salary is higher than his value.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        he’s 27 mike, if they do renegotiate it should be spread over time and a big bonus to avoid the cap hit currently.

      • cuttting a player doesnt mean ripping the contract up

        its written in the contract, its called non guaranteed salary, only the guaranteed part is guaranteed, teams have contractual rights to not pay the non guarantee part by cutting them

    • D's avatar D says:

      Its got to be evaluated. If you pay him ya might lose others, and that might be fine you just got to see how much putting 20mil in one person is going to do to the overall health of the team. Im not anti paying him, im just not pro sacrificing the team to do it.

  20. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 11, 2021 at 11:23 am
    I find stuff a over the place, if it makes sense I look further, if the article is from MSM I’ll read as much as I can stomach, but take what they say with a grain of salt.

    When someone here keeps saying to do a Google search…already know the content is slanted.

    Try it yourself, Google any political topic and you’ll see at least the first couple of pages show articles from CNN, usatoday, wp, nyt…

    Do you guys really believe the stuff you read/hear from MSM, knowing their bias and agenda?
    _______
    I asked you a very simple question and in 2 posts, you still have yet to answer it. If you want to know news sources I prefer to get my information from I can answer you quickly. I watch all forms of media no matter the slant because I want to see what all sides are saying and then I go from there. Most of what is considered news nowadays is categorized as editorial or entertainment. You rail a lot on MSM but then quote shows like Tucker Carlson and Fox News. They are part of the MSM. You seem to have no problem believing their agenda.
    At any rate, I am one person. I speak for myself I’m not ” you guys” and I haven’t even said what I believe, but you would rather just make baseless accusations and dodge the simple questions that are asked of you. Then you have the nerve to call other people fools.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Blah, blah, blah…you sound like a verse from a Queen song, all we hear is radio googoo…

      • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

        Still no sources Steve. Why can’t you answer a simple question? You sure spend a lot of time accusing others of what you do constantly. That’s one thing I know.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        You have comprehension issue? You even pasted my answer in your post and it was similar to what you said you use for your sources

    • D's avatar D says:

      You read them without blinders on you can see the slant and ignore those parts. All of them seem to have slant these days, its better to parse out the parts that aren’t slant and hopefully get good info or compare and contrast and anything both sides agree is the real info. I don’t know of one source of info that can ever be trusted 100%

    • I watch all forms of media no matter the slant because I want to see what all sides are saying and then I go from there.

      thats it! brilliant!

  21. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    x had 10 picks last year, the guy who plays opposite of him hasn’t had 10 picks his entire career.

  22. D's avatar D says:

    “the Tulsa Massacre happened, and so did the Ocoee Massacre near where i grew up as a child
    these things were horrific, race induced genocide, and stealing of their property” – quoted from David above.

    David, the guy in the video didn’t say it didn’t happen, what he said was there is a false narrative being applied to the historical facts to induce a larger feeling of racism, to continue to drive that narrative forward. The fact it was universally changed from the term Race Riot to Massacre in 2018 shows you its narrative because they dressed the situation up to look worse. The fact that they take something that started out as a clash of races over an act, or alleged act of a black man against a white woman, has been hidden away to make it sound like whites didn’t want black s to have things and they burned it down. He clearly stated the history and to be honest that makes a ton more sense how it would have begun that way and got out of hand that way than it does whites just showing up to burn down black people shit.

    Also the “Massacre” wasn’t of black people only, there were Whites that dies that day as well, from the information he brought forward it seem fairly split. Did you not see what he said about the blacks showed up armed first? Do you think they showed up armed because they didn’t have intentions of a violent outcome, or at least to be ready to be violent if they had to defend the guy against a lynching. Just like with all these mob like situation, that shit is 99% sure to get violent because some asshole of the bunch is gonna do something and then all hell is going to break loose. Took two groups for that to go down. There were no victims there white or black. There were no innocent people there, white or black. Humanity lost, and there were no winners..

    What about the correlation between that act and what BLM does, how is it different, how is one acceptable and one not? The guy does bring forward a lot of circumstances of fact that done gel with the overall perceptions of the racial situation in America. Lots of situations are like this slanted from either side, but i have to agree with the guy on that subject, the facts of the matter sound more like what it was originally called, a race riot of a perceived (at the least) injustice of a black against a white, with both sides anteing up to fight over it. Again, this is just like BLM and the police which is a perceived (at the least) injustice of a white against a black, with the same outcome of a race riot, but they dont call that a massacre, they don’t even call it a race riot, its just a “mostly peaceful” protest lol. Call it the BLM massacre and see how welcomed that change is.

    The other part is that was the flippin 20’s, the BLM shit is current, so what’s more prudent, something that happened in out past prior to civil rights movement or what’s happening today? How can you pull from such a distant past to justify or bemoan a situation today, and also not bring into the conversation what is happening today, and call it what it is.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      Well said D

    • blacks showed up armed first? i DONT believe his video , or all its content

      he is not a real historian IMO

      • D's avatar D says:

        They showed up to prevent a lynching which was still prevalent during those times. I makes sense to me they would show up first, and i don’t blame them for that fact, the simple fact is the reason anyone showed up was over the incident between the black man and white woman, and after that things got out of control and escalated. It wasn’t a massacre, it was a riot that got out of control and multiple people died. The fact that it started out over that incident and not the wanton destruction of black owned business without other factors being involved is the narrative being sold today, and not what it historically was. You can find that yourself, that is historically accurate.

  23. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    plus or minus turnover ratio is a key stat that separates winners from losers, you do what you have too to keep a guy giving you 10 per year.

  24. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 11, 2021 at 12:08 pm (Edit)
    X had an incredible season, do you want turnovers? pay the man
    ————
    Totally agree. He is a top tier talent at one of the most important positions in the game

  25. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rob – He’s 28, and cornerbacks speed tends to erode quickly, that’s why even some of the best end up moving to safety. I disagree, pay him now, don’t screw the future up. Pay him while he’s worth the money you’re paying him.

  26. D's avatar D says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 11, 2021 at 11:39 am
    Crazy eyed guy is just trying to point out the hypocrisy, in a way, that comedically doesn’t offend like someone saying it straight out
    ———————————————————
    Oh i get him, i just have a hard time getting past those crazy eyes. He is sarcastic and over the top so, he is my kind of of comedy as i kind of like a little provocation while hiding behind satire, but its just hard for me to take him seriously because of it. Like im literally reading between the lines on his stuff and he makes good point a lot of the time, its just his delivery distracts me. I think when im looking for informative, or even alternate perspective i prefer the direct approach, like the other guiy over the wacky zany antics of crazy eyes.

  27. https://www.tulsahistory.org/exhibit/1921-tulsa-race-massacre/#flexible-content

    and to think that dude in the video has all the facts? doubtful, highly doubtful

    • D's avatar D says:

      Dude even on that page they have the incident of accused rape as the first part of the timeline, so again, this is the catalyst, not burning down black owned businesses, this started it and the roit and destruction was the end result of it getting out of hand. That article spells out the timeline the same as the dude in the video said it happened.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        36 or 300 dead either way sounds like a massacre. But the larger issue is you are fighting over a label or definition. In any circumstance it was a horrible event and it was racially motivated. So call it a riot or call it a massacre it doesn’t change the horror of what happened

      • D's avatar D says:

        im not fighting over a label, i am fighting of switching the label for political purposes. It was originally called a race riot, which fits the historical events, massacre doesn’t.

    • bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

      The author also says, regarding what actually did happen as far as historical record. “Who told what to whom? Why? Was it accurate? These are all questions worth exploring.”

      So APPARENTLY, this dude doesn’t have all the facts either.

      • D's avatar D says:

        Well i wouldn’t take him at his word anyways, that’s just the nature of listening to things on the internet, and to Kens point, there is not attempt to justify what happened Ken, was it or wasn’t it racially motivated, i mean im sure race had things to do with it because the blacks showed up to prevent a lynching and the whites showed up to get justice for the white woman, there is race all intertwined in this, not one is discounting it, but to portray it like whites just showed up to raze a city to the ground when they showed up for different reasons doesn’t portray it the same. Im not saying anything about the travesty of the event, im saying changing from race riot to massacre sets the narrative to suggest white just showed up and killed a bunch of innocent black people, race riot defines it as it was, two races squaring off and bloodshed ensued. My point is however, it labeling of one this way and another suck as the BLM riots as a “mostly peaceful protest” is improper, they both are ugly, both situation people lost lives, but yet the same group that wants to call one a massacre wants to call the other mostly peaceful.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Lunching is at the very heart of the history of racism in this country. In essence whites felt they could unilaterally execute a black man without due process of law. That happened again and again. That was at the heart that started the incident. It was racist, it wasn’t there was like there was 2 equal sides to the story. If a rape truly did happen it doesn’t give the right for a white mob to lynch a black man. That is something to be left to law enforcement and the courts

  28. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    a contract is a contract, guaranteed money vs non guaranteed has nothing to do with it, if you look at the flip side instead of cutting the player after his guaranteed is up what happens if they decide to continue to force the contract and pay the nonguaranteed money? as per the contract the player has no choice in the matter.
    Just because the guarantee is up does not nullify the contract, otherwise that contract would be written only for the guaranteed money.
    to make it short and simple, when a team decides after the guaranteed is paid to void the contract, than they are breaking the contract. the player has no recourse since the guarantee is up.
    what’s good for the team should be good for the player as well.

    • breaking the contract so to speak, is written IN the contract, lol

      teams are ALLOWED to cut bait as long as they pay all of the guaranteed part

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        the player has no recourse once the guarantee is up however if the contract has nonguaranteed money and time, when the team ends the contract early then they are breaking the contract.
        semantics.
        my point is, if a team can break a contract and nobody gets upset over it, then why do they get upset when a player does the exact same thing?

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      The team has an out, by cutting the player after the guarantees are paid, the player’s benefit comes from insurance for injury, otherwise they’d mostly sign 1 yr contracts

  29. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 11, 2021 at 12:28 pm
    You have comprehension issue? You even pasted my answer in your post and it was similar to what you said you use for your sources.
    ___
    1) You’re doing that thing where you accuse people of your own shortcomings (ie comprehension)
    2) You didn’t ask me for my specific resources. I point blank asked you thrice. For the fourth time, name a source. Otherwise, it’s just more of the same for you. Accuse and deflect. Accuse and deflect.

  30. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    i DONT believe his video
    —————-
    Because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

    He does not claim to be a historian. He did his research and came to his conclusion based on the facts and findings that presented to him.

    I guess you don’t believe the story of Anthony Johnson either.

    • he will never fit my viewpoint, hes not a historian, and has viewpoints that are obviously biased, and seem like excuses and denial IMO

      , blame the other side and cop out of it, thats been done for 100 years already

      same as if he tried to deny the holocaust, i wouldnt buy that either

  31. blaming the victims is the common way for racists to justfy their evil ways

    there is sufficient evidence that Hitler hated the Jews, arrested them, and took them by rail to concentration camps, and treated them subhuman, the Holocause cannot be denied

    to attempt to deny it, is ludicruous imo, we werent there and have nothing to contradict events

    even if by some whacky chance it didnt happen, SMH< its still not productive to tell the world such unfounded garbage IMO

    the same applies to Tulsa and Ocoee, i know alot more about the Ocoee Massacre since i heard MUCH when i lived in that area for many years

    im positive Nobody knows EVERY detail, but the ORlando Sentinel ad is damning proof of what really happened, rich racists killed for profit

    maybe we should call it , the election day the KKK killed for profit, but whatever its called, its undeniably wrong

    • D's avatar D says:

      Who were the victims David….were blacks the only victims or because they were also involved in the violence were they no more of a victim than the whites? Since they came in defense of an accused criminal act were they the victims? Were the whites who came to take justice in their own hands the victims? There are no clean hands in this as there is in general in most situation of the like.

      The victims are the collateral damage in the unnecessary riot that ensues, and again, that’s the same scenario as the BLM riots no matter how ya want to dress those up. No one is arguing that what happened in Tulsa was not a travesty, its being argued that people use incidents from the past to justify extending the racial issue in the current, and also can boldly proclaim one injustice as whites massacring blacks but when the opposite scenario occurs its a “Mostly peaceful” protest.

      • D's avatar D says:

        What all i see when people do this is saying “well whites have it come because of the past” That’s not getting us anywhere, whites were also part of the fixing of those issues as they stood against slavery, then again when they stodd for civil rights. The agenda is to label all whites as the source of problems and to fight back against them, when HISTORICALLY it has been blacks and white working together that has achieve the greatest step in civil justice. Thats not the agenda of the day. The agenda of this day it to further the divide.

  32. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    we all know Tua really needs to step his game up, that’s the elephant in the room, but who’s next on that list?
    my opinion is Iggy!
    where he was drafted he should have been a starter right off the bat.

    if he doesn’t step his game up this year it shows this F.O. made a huge mistake drafting him where they did.

    • much agreed on both, Tua needs to improve, and it seems like he is working very hard on that, we will see how it works out with his new weapons at WR.

      and we REALLY need Iggy, especially if the team hits a snag with the Howard contract

  33. gotta jet guys, thanks for the convo, it was a bit deep at times, and its a painful subject

    but we got past it without any bloodshed today, lol so thats great that everyone gets to hear others opinions, without bashing them with a hammer if they see things differently, awesome sauce!

    we all can learn something once in awhile, wouldnt hurt us, see ya later and GO DOLPHINS Super bowl baby!

  34. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    ocalarob says:
    June 11, 2021 at 12:38 pm (Edit)

    he’s 27 right now, saying he’s 28 makes him older to support your narrative.
    just tell it like it is.
    *************
    LMAO!!! That’s hilarious. My narrative is that by the time he starts the season he will be 28, and yours is that he’s 27, when it doesn’t matter for shit. I’m gonna whup your ass in pool this year, I’ve been playing a lot of pool, every Friday night. I’m 57 now, but at the Fest I’ll be 58, so when I beat you, did you lose to a 57 or 58 year old man? lol

  35. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Mike, do i have to spot you 6 balls?

  36. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    when you say he’s 28, the ques remains when did he turn 28? if he’s 27 now he’ll be a young 28 when the season starts, a young 29 and a young 30,
    it makes a difference because in 3 years by the time the contract is up he’ll be 30, still capable. vs on the downside of 30’s

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      Young 28, old 28, he’s fucking 28! lol Just calls it likes I sees it.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Does it matter if he spent 4 years in a coma and even though physically his body past though those 4 years he wasn’t aware of it, so then he could technically be a young 24, kind of depends on how ya see that scenario.

  37. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    steveccnv says:
    June 11, 2021 at 12:57 pm
    Now you’re just lying and trolling
    ____
    If I lied about something, point it out. Holding you accountable for your words and actions isn’t trolling Steve. I asked you 4+ times to provide 1 single source and you dodged and deflected the question every time, then made some comment about me personally. You never fail to disappoint as a creature of habit though. Keep fighting that good fight.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      steve knows a lot of things that don’t hit the regular news. Guess he just likes to hold his sources for such close to the vest. But since almost all of them are items the far right would favor, we can assume he if hooked into those sources. And some things he brings up later hit the general news, even if others never do.

      Overall find his stuff interesting. A glimpse into places never venture.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Stanger – While that may be true, it does enable people to doubt the veracity of what he says if he can’t reveal any sources. I also don’t think SB is “trolling” by asking.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        SB7 ain’t trolling at all, but then been down that path before. Asking for the source of this or that never ends up with the source. Right or not…… he’s obviously getting stuff you won’t find on the nightly news. Not that means is right. My personal theory is from far right places, which are often wrong.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      BTW my last post was for you.

      You ask me a general question and I gave you a general answer. You want a source, ask a specific question

  38. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Oh fuck. So steve is Trump? I fucking knew it!

  39. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    I wonder if Flucker beats out Eichenberg at RT?

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Unlikely. Eich doesn’t have a massive upside, but he is play ready.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        How do you know what his upside is? To me upside is at some point playing really well on a consistent basis. Unless you’re talking about being so dominant he knocks defenders around like rag dolls

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Just going off the draft evaluations. From them took it he should have a long career but might not have many Pro Bowl births.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Until they get the pads on who knows who will play where and who will make up the starting 5.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        I think we have a good idea that barring injury, Jackson at LT, Hunt at LG, Skura at C, Kindlet at RG, the big Q is who plays RT, Eich or Fluker?

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Not so sure about that. They keep mentioning Hunt at RG but that’s not set in stone yet either. Not sure Fluker beats out Jesse Davis. It will definitely be interesting to see how it plays out.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        I don’t think Kindley has the wheels to play LG, in fact i heard he may be eating himself out of the league

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        They could play Eich at one of the guard spots also

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Kindley is doing the opposite of eating himself out of the league. There were reports weeks ago that he was working at being in the best shape of his life. Not sure why LG needs more wheels than RG, all guards pull and are on the move from time to time.

  40. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    “He’s smart. He’s tough. He’s competitive. He’s talented, Team-first guy. I just felt like he’d bring competition and talent to the room. He’s got very good speed. Good hands. Good after the catch. Good as a route runner. Smart, and can play multiple positions.”

    — Flores, almost making you think he likes William Vincent Fuller V.

  41. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    sb7mvp says:
    June 11, 2021 at 10:24 am
    Steve,
    What are the non-biased, fact based information sources that you get all of your information from?

    Reply
    steveccnv says:
    June 11, 2021 at 10:34 am
    Sites that aren’t controlled by globalist with an agenda
    ___________________________________________________

    I don’t want to speak for Steve, however your question seems unanswerable, the further the left lean the further the right lean, there doesn’t seem to be any middle ground.

    It would appear Steve is referring to a definition of your question.

    i think most of the so called right wing news outlets are more middle ground. the left is so far out of touch with reality it would seem the right is way off as well.

    you want a good source of reality?
    try Tucker, Ingle or Hannity, and steer clear of CNN

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Besides the fact that non-biased, fact based information sources don’t exist

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      “i think most of the so called right wing news outlets are more middle ground. the left is so far out of touch with reality it would seem the right is way off as well.

      you want a good source of reality?
      try Tucker, Ingle or Hannity”
      ————————–
      So Tucker, Fox News, OAN and Newsmax are the center middle? What are the right wing news outlets then?

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Info Wars

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        But does Alex Jones deserve the position of anything? Talking about the guy who said Shady Hook never happened and was a false flag operation. In the lawsuit about that he said “hey I’m just an entertainer.” You think he is a credible right wing in politics/news these day?

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Was just giving you someone way off center right, but why do you keep mentioning Sandy Hook, when the left media outlets miss on everything from Hunter Biden to Bengazi?

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Cause you mentioned Info Wars, owned by Alex Jones. In polite conversation does that mean talk about Hunter Biden or Bengazi? Right now thinking you didn’t know Info Wars is Alex Jones.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        You said it as if he’s the only media person who said something wasn’t accurate, like an automatic reaction to Sandy Hook.

        My point was media outlets on the left daily feed BS stories

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        “You said it as if he’s the only media person who said something wasn’t accurate” — no that was your take on it. Why by saying Alex Jones lied about Sandy Hook am I saying no one else ever does? But guess no matter was saying you wanted to go about the WhattaBout that thing. You know how long ago Bengazi was?

  42. D's avatar D says:

    I think Fluker could start at least early own and the Eichenberg take over later much like Hunt did.

  43. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Finsmob Unleashed- finding solutions to the world’s toughest problems and figuring out Xavien Howard’s true age, one post at a time. LOL
    😉

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      LOL — figuring out young, middle or old 27 is like getting the pronouns correct in a college classroom. 🙂

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        As I was catching up, the juxtaposition of Mike’s and Rob’s Howard age discussion sandwiched into all that heavy racism and gun control stuff had me nearly in tears. There was something so wonderfully human about it (in a good way).

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        tears from laughing, lol

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        What do like about this place is can talk about serious subjects without it getting nasty. Gets nasty all the time, normally for the stupidist of reasons.

  44. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    And now allow Kong to weigh in…a svelte 203.

  45. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Agreed that Eichenberg could also be an option at guard. The coaches have to figure out the best starting 5.

  46. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I think we tend to exaggerate when a player is too old. Guys stay in a great shape well into their 30’s. Some young players don’t even max out their bodies until they’re in their mid or late 20’s.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      I don’t think I’m exaggerating. If you’re going to pay a DB who 2 years previous was given the highest contract at his position another top contract, you best make sure you do so where your team gets the best years of that player at the high end, and then if there’s a drop off, it’s easier to part ways w/o a penalty to the team. It works both ways, you reward the player and protect the team

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Players want to cash in while they’re at the top of their game and at the top of the league. That’s the business, just like when teams decide to throw them to the curb when they decide to move on from them.

        Howard is the top ballhawk and one of the best corners in the league, and it’s not just about the INTs, he’s a great overall CB. He covers and he tackles. You draft a player and he becomes great, then we worry about what he wants to be paid. People in all sorts of businesses like to get raises every year if they perform. So because they got a raise 2 years ago that’s it?

  47. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Gotta Love Lucy for making the call on Alex Trebek.
    ———————————-
    LOS ANGELES (AP) — “Jeopardy!” needed a host, and Lucille Ball had an enthusiastic suggestion for creator Merv Griffin: The smooth-voiced, debonair emcee of the “High Rollers” game show. That was 1984.

  48. D's avatar D says:

    Ken says:
    June 11, 2021 at 1:50 pm
    Lunching is at the very heart of the history of racism in this country. In essence whites felt they could unilaterally execute a black man without due process of law. That happened again and again. That was at the heart that started the incident. It was racist, it wasn’t there was like there was 2 equal sides to the story. If a rape truly did happen it doesn’t give the right for a white mob to lynch a black man. That is something to be left to law enforcement and the courts
    ———————————————————
    I’m not arguing any differently, Ken, and what I’m trying to say obviously isn’t coming across right so i give up on it. No one is condoning the actions of anything that happened in Tulsa. Done over, and ….im out.

  49. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Thought the Cards were going to start with a win over the Cubs, but our bullpen let us down again.

  50. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Why are we discussing slavery and lynchings as if we’re still living in those horrible times? Systemic racism is a fallacy in America in 2021. It’s a notion that race baiters use to further their agenda. That doesn’t mean there aren’t racist people, but it’s not systemic. If that is the case, people need to start naming names rather than the lazy broad brushing that they do. You know like when it’s popular to say “white people” are this and that. Right all of us are exactly the same. Do people not realize how racist and ignorant that is?

    White people who act like champions against racism are a trip. Everyone but you right? So start naming names and deal with the consequences of slandering people. Nah… it’s much easier and more cowardly to use the broad brush. I’m really sick of it.

  51. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    I’ve got some wonderful NY strips I salted yesterday and let hang out in the fridge uncovered overnight, just about ready for the grill.

    I’m making some twice baked taters and my favorite steak accompaniment- moque choux.

    It’s about 80 degrees at 2:30 right now. I’ll make a large rum with a splash of coke, pull those steaks out in an hour, start my coals, finish off the side dishes while the grill comes to temp, get those bad boys on there, nothing but the salt and pepper because you want to taste the quality of the beef.

    I’ll sit back and just breathe in the aroma. The wife will hang out with me, beer in hand, enjoying the atmosphere. We’ll share some smiles and some good conversation. My vegetarian daughter will forego the meat and eat some twigs and grass with her taters and veggies, and I respect her choice, lol.

    Ahh, my friends, this is the good life…

    Always take the time to enjoy the moments that matter, whatever that means to you.

  52. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    We hung a bunch of folks in Wyoming back in the day!

    Not very many were black!

    I don’t think anyone gets to own “being lynched” sole rights!

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Lynching ain’t cool no matter who is getting hung. But then they used to have mass public hangings and people showed up to watch like it was the county fair.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I always thought that was fucked up. But that sort of thing was going on in the old world during the William Wallace era too.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        It still happens. Look at the footage outside a jail when there’s an execution

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      There is a big difference between and executing a death sentence

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Between a lynching and executing a death sentence ^

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        There sure is a big difference. Lynching is like a bunch of people in a bar deciding this or that guy is an A-hole and then stringing him up.

  53. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    For those who missed the Reply above.

    It’s easy to stop gun violence!

    You execute everyone who commits’ a pre-meditated gun crime!

    It will slow way down!

  54. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Ken, regardless of how compassionate humans like to think of themselves as, we’ve been the most violent species on the planet. Not one color or another, all humans.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Yes but that doesn’t negate the fact that racism exists

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Sure does, but it’s not specifically just white on black. It’s black on white, white on yellow, yellow on white, black on yellow, yellow on black etc etc. It seems as if the biggest talking points are always against blacks. The Asian community is getting rocked right now, and if you watch the news, even the good old liberal news channels, you’ll see most of those hate crimes are blacks on Asians.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Why would that be your reply?

        I never said that and racism isn’t just a white on black thing. That’s the fallacy. In human history people of similar cultures have enslaved other tribes based on class. It’s always been about class. Not any different than other wild animals in nature. Survival comes first, if I can have more I will take it. We just feel we’re more sophisticated as humans while doing it.

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Not disagreeing with that racism takes on many different forms. No question that white on black racism and violence dominates the discussion. There are reasons for that. Predominately because it the longest, most sustained form of racism to the largest minority group in the country. But you are right that there are other forms of racism including black on Asian racism and none of it is right

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Haven’t met many violent people in my life. Not you, not me and Ken only after he gets hit with gamma rays. Thankful for that.

  55. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:
  56. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Tim – I was replying to Ken

  57. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Some people do stupid things. The vast majority do not. Simple as that.

  58. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Tim:
    I interpreted that comment as consistent with your earlier comment that systemic racism is a fallacy. I disagree with you on that

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      The ACLU has been suing towns for racist laws for 30years!

      I don’t think that there are any racist laws left on the books?

      I don’t think I understand the definition of systemic???

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Are you part of systemic racism? Who is doing it? My earlier comment also said name names. Interracial and same sex relationships throughout the world are more prominent in civil society now than ever before. But let’s pretend it’s not. What are we doing?

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        I probably was part of systemic racism at points in my career. Especially when I was a deputy corporation counsel for a large city when I defended that city in several civil rights lawsuits

      • Ken's avatar Ken says:

        Tim:
        Systemic racism is also different than being racist. It is not necessarily a conscience decision or even an awareness of being racist. It is either enjoying the fruits of the history of racism such as living in a predominantly white suburban community which I do. Or perhaps getting paid more than a person of color would for the same job or not being subjected to a search of vehicle for being pulled over for a simple motor vehicle violation. These are not necessarily conscious decisions but they do represent differential treatment. We have a come a long in rectifying some of these problems but they still exist and we still have a way to go. So you can’t really name names as you suggested

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Ken, I appreciate your honesty. I think it was Krishna who said we all have levels of bigotry. But this idea that this country is ruled by hardcore racism is a fallacy. It once was, but not anymore. It’s as if people don’t want progress. It’s never perfect but come on, I have never even encountered a white supremacist rally. Maybe because I never attended one and they are rare, not prominent.

        The news is rarely “it’s a nice day as everyone goes about their lives”, it’s “did you see what this person did to that one?”

        Be kind.

  59. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    I don’t care what part of 27 you are that’s very very young

  60. Marinofan13's avatar Marinofan13 says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    June 10, 2021 at 10:51 pm
    socialist/marxist sounds like a fearmongering term that conservatives use all the time

    its called progressive, and the goal is Human rights, equal rights, police reform, gun control, infrastructure, end systemic racism, and environmental protection, not communism
    ——————
    Socialist/Marxist is not a “fearmongering” term, David… it’s an official form of government, which has a 100% success rate at FAILING, each and every time it’s been tried in human history. What’s more, it’s resulted in the deaths of MANY millions of people. Joseph Stalin, for example, made Adolf Hitler look like an amateur genocidal maniac.

    We ALL hate Hitler, thus we should ALL hate Stalin: both are EVIL, and I shouldn’t even need to compare their death counts when it comes to EVIL.

    Progressive (Socialist/Marxist) is regressive, and is anything BUT about human/equal rights, police reform, infrastructure, racism, and environmental protection. But they certainly ARE about gun control, to be sure.

    • Marinofan13's avatar Marinofan13 says:

      I don’t need to tell you about Mao, right? He’s another EVIL man who killed millions of his fellow countrymen.

  61. Marinofan13's avatar Marinofan13 says:

    BBM, I think you’ll really like this one. I’ve posted this song before, but a very long time ago…

  62. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:
  63. Marinofan13's avatar Marinofan13 says:

    If Son wants SMOOTH, here’s something…

  64. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:
  65. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:
  66. Marinofan13's avatar Marinofan13 says:
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  68. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    This one put’s a tear in my eye!

    • Marinofan13's avatar Marinofan13 says:

      GREAT song! Always loved this one.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      A friend of mine liked Harry Chapin back in the early 80’s, we shared an apt on pompano beach, right on the beach, best time of my life. was banging girls on vacation, different girl every night. hanging at Bro Jims on commercial BVD.
      My friend went out one evening with some other friends, i was invited but declined, they got in an accident, the car went into the water and they drowned, my friend didn’t die right away, he was left brain dead on machines for a while.
      his name was Matt Luger, he finally died. crushed me!

  69. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    I apologize in advance!

  70. Marinofan13's avatar Marinofan13 says:

  71. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Lots of good music tonight.

  72. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    M13, Yeah, I think I remember that Hopsin song before. Kind of stopped listening to rap back then. He seemed to be all over with his music as far as lyrics. I remember some video’s I had seen before but can’t quite remember the name’s, My House maybe and I think Alone was kind of cool. I will have to search him and come up with the name of the songs.

  73. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    M13, The Hopsin songs are Your House and Alone With Me. He dropped them this year.

  74. bailbondmike's avatar bailbondmike says:

    Y’all did play some good tunes last night! I can’t participate and stay up for it though. I have to get up at 4am Saturday to get ready for work so go to bed early. Last night I couldn’t sleep. Got in bed at 8pm watched TV but didn’t fall asleep until about midnight. Going to be a long weekend.

    So I will post this song “I Can’t Sleep”. It’s one of his rock tunes. He wrote it during the COVID lockdown last year while struggling with alcoholism.

  75. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    ‘Oh My God, I’m in the Mouth of a Whale’: What It’s Like Being Swallowed by a Humpback

  76. New Age's avatar New Age says:

    Well, I missed some fine discussion. David, I don’t want any gun control at all. It doesn’t work as I showed in the other examples and I agree about one of the reasons. There’s lots of money in illegal activities. We already have background checks and the FBI fucks it up all the time. Instead of sending 12 agents to Bubba Wallace’s Nascar garage over an imaginary noose, they could have used those agents to do more background checks. The easiest way to turn into a dictatorship is taking our populations guns. That’s the reason for the 2nd.

    If we enforced laws, we would have less crime. If we didn’t let out rapists. killers, and people who consistently break the law out early, we’d have less crime. Execute murderers and you have less of them released later to do it again. It’s pretty damn simple honestly. During the Race Riots of 2019, liberal DAs let out criminals as soon as the police dropped them off. Unsurprisingly, they went back out to burn down more black businesses, assault more innocents, and terrorize Minneapolis. .

    The Tulsa Race Riots were terrible but the story told today isn’t the true one and we will never get all the details. Some people did horrible things but the narrative being sold is garbage.

    We shame people all the time for not wearing masks, not saying the right pronouns, not kissing the right ass. What we don’t shame people for anymore is single parenthood, a culture of crime and welfare, kids not going to school, women having no moral standards, people saying women have dicks and all kinds of other degeneracy. A moral society wouldn’t be having the problems we do and that includes gun crime.

    Ken, lynching’s were done to thousands of white people too. It was a terrible thing to take the law into their own hands but it wasn’t exclusively a racist punishment. It was an easy way to murder someone the mob didn’t like. Of course racists used it as their primary tool but I feel that we might as well call the 9mm a racist gun since it’s killed so many black people over the years. It was a tool of racists but also a common tool of any vigilante justice over the world.

    • agree on most of what You say, except the tulsa narritive

      racists dont get to rewrite history, thats why we wont get the details, thats been done already for 100 years

      myself, i know much more about the ocoee massacre than the tulsa one

      there is sufficient evidence the KKK was marching down Orange AVE in downtown Orlando, 3 days before the 1920 election, and they trespassed on minorities property, threatening them with their lives if they dared to vote
      police, judges, prosecutors were all KKK, or KKK friendly, except a few like Judge Cheney, who ended up with a black man hanging from his tree that was dragged behind a truck from ocoee to orlando
      the KKK told cheny he was next if he tried to help US citizens to vote that werent the preferred color of the KKK

      their homes were shot up, and torched, properties stolen and sold
      that is Not a riot, its a genocide, or a massacre

      we should give them their land back IMO landowners deserve what they bought and paid for, its not their fault that white people with guns and torches killed them and stole their property

      NO whites had their property stolen and sold by blacks, so no need to deal with that

      until we give the land back that was stolen, there will be no justice IMO

  77. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    ” The easiest way to turn into a dictatorship is taking our populations guns. That’s the reason for the 2nd. ” Read that argument a lot, but also read few proposals to actually take guns other than particular kinds…. and even then the proposals are normally just bans on certain sales rather than actual confiscation.

    Sounds like you are on board with Phelon and me about beefing up/fulfilling the existing background laws though. That includes requiring all states to provide the needed info (even if have to provide fed money for it).

    As far as lynchings. get why black folk feel strongly about them. Yes many white guys have been strung up in the history of the country, but don’t think many white dudes went from a ’52 Chevy to the noose.

  78. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    “I want to play here for the rest of my career. I love it here. I love the fans. I love the organization. I love everybody here. Yeah, I definitely see myself playing here for a long time.”

    And

    “All that stuff is going to figure itself out. I mean, we haven’t really talked about anything.“

    — Jerome Baker on staying with the Dolphins (he’s in final contract year)

  79. manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

    Stanger : pencil us in fir 2 fest tix .. looking like should be able to go by then … we are planning to road trip it … MNF in Tenn vs Bills, fest game , and 9ers at Chicago Halloween … booked at La Quinta as MVille was full for dates wanted

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Awesome you’ll be there, and that is one serious trip. By road trip you mean are driving? Could see Savannah and New Orleans in your future. Two cool places. Even if Atlanta would be more on the way as you come down…. cool as well.

      • manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

        Will definitely be via Atlanta on way down. Way home depends on Jacksonville wrestling LOL

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        LOL — I’m talking Savannah and you are talking wrestling….. gotta know your audience. 🙂

  80. In one offseason, the Miami Dolphins got a whole lot faster.

    Vaunted deep threat Will Fuller signed with the club and the selection of Alabama speedster Jaylen Waddle followed in the 2021 NFL Draft.

    Though the Dolphins’ tandem is sure to garner the most recognition in South Florida, Fuller maintains that speed abounds besides them and it should all add up to some entertaining showings for what portends to be a more vertical and high-octane offense.

    “You can’t teach speed and we do have that on this team,” Fuller told reporters Friday. “Not just me and Waddle, there are other players with speed, too. It’s going to be fun. We’re going to do what the coaches ask of us and we just going to be playing fast and we going to make some stuff happen.”

    https://www.nfl.com/news/dolphins-wr-will-fuller-on-teaming-with-jaylen-waddle-it-s-going-to-be-fun

  81. New Age, im glad You dont like narratives being changed, i dont either

    but it happenned, fpr 100 years the whites in Ocoee tried to ignore it, lied about it, and changed the narrative to make themselves look less culpable

    every criminal blames someone else, the jails are full of people that say, I didnt do anything.

    the innocent dont have to make any such claims, the evidence will show they are innocent

    in this case, We cant blame the people for wanting to legally vote, and we cant blame dead poeple with their house on fire , cant blame the black guy drug behind a KKK truck either

    we have to blame the trespassers, prosecutors, judges, KKK<

    shooters, and arsonists that committed their horrific acts, and we have to blame the ones that stole and sold the real estate, 100 percent

    it we call it a riot, then WE are guilty of changing the narrative, because riots dont describe genocide, and real estate theft

  82. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Why is this political? Country now has to deal with the delta variant that was crushing India.
    ——————————–
    With the exception of Georgia, every state on the low-vax list voted Republican in the 2020 presidential election. Every state on the high-vax list voted Democratic.

    Right now, the 10 states that have fully vaccinated the smallest share of their residents are Mississippi (28 percent), Alabama (30 percent), Arkansas (32 percent), Louisiana (32 percent), Wyoming (33 percent), Tennessee (33 percent), Utah (34 percent), Idaho (34 percent), Georgia (34 percent) and Oklahoma (35 percent).

    Meanwhile, the 10 states that have fully vaccinated the largest share of their residents are Vermont (60 percent), Massachusetts (57 percent), Maine (57 percent), Connecticut (56 percent), Rhode Island (54 percent), New Hampshire (53 percent), New Jersey (51 percent), Maryland (51 percent), Washington (49 percent) and New Mexico (49 percent).

    • the republicans inhaled bleach and stuck UV lights up their ass, and the democrats went with science?

      that is because trump told them Trust HIM< dont trust science

      • *hint, the first line was joking or sarcasm, the second one was true

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        It’s a medical safety issue which is what makes it sad now political. Trump had it and got flown to Walter Reed for the best treatment available. He and the wife also got vaccinated, even if kept that secret for 2-3 months. Maybe the keeping secret was part of the politics.

  83. the ancestors from the Ocoee massacre have already been compensated with college scholarships, but they want their land back

    it belongs to them, not the trespassers, racists, arsonists and thieves

    it wasnt just the KKK that stole their land, the cops, judges and prosecuters were in on it also, showing systemic racism, so yes, the government is liable for the damages they caused

  84. at the risk or reopening a long discussion, lol

    about all i can say is the focus should be on justice, and closing the chapter, this isnt back to the future , lol we cant go back in time and change anything, we can only plot out our futures.

    all the rest of it, is roadblocks to justice and closure,
    criminals , and sympathetic to criminals, dont believe in justice, unless it benefits them only

  85. its obvious that all parties will find it nearly impossible to agree on reparations, so the easy thing to do is just give the real estate back, give the current day residents a notice they have to leave immediately or face arrest for trespassing, seize the property under eminent domain and deed it to the descendents, waive property taxes , impact fees, and zone it for whatever use they had before

    that way the ones that had nothing to do with it, wernt born yet for example, dont have to pay anything for it, only the ones that stole or bought stolen goods will have to pay for it

  86. manitobafinfan's avatar manitobafinfan says:

    Stanger. Planning to hit places have not yet been. Have been to Nawlins , will return sometime…. What’s cool with Savannah ??

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Old place but with a lot of character. Not so different from Naw’leans but smaller. Would take it over say Myrtle Beach any day.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Savannah is one of the most haunted cities in the country. Civil war ghosts.