Dolphins very active before the 2021 NFL Draft

The first big mover was actually a subtraction from the roster as the Dolphins parted ways with LB Kyle Van Noy after recently (last season) signing him to a 4YR/$51M deal. That move was followed by the eventual trade between the Dolphins and the Texans which sent DE Shaq Lawson to HOU for ILB Benardrick McKinney. The Dolphins gave the Texans our 6th RD 2021 pick in exchange for their 2021 7th RD pick. Lawson played both OLB and DE for the Dolphins last season but never really hit his stride in our defense. Van Noy was brought here for his leadership and his playmaking, but the surprising rise of OLB Andrew Van Ginkel helped make Van Noy expendable. While AVG played mostly weak side and and Van Noy played primarily strong, both were interchangeable. I’m guessing the new #55 will undergo a uniform number change as the Eagles would say Ol’ 55, Jerome Baker owns that number. McKinney will definitely solidify the middle next to Baker and and the bigger (6’4 260) McKinney brings more physicality there while Baker brings the sideline to sideline quickness and speed.

In addition to McKinney, the Dolphins further solidified the run defense with the addition of DT Adam Butler. Butler was a rotational guy on the Patriots defensive line with only 12 starts in 4 seasons but he played in all but one game, and he averaged about 45% of the defensive snaps, so he had a good amount of playing time. He’s a DT that gets good penetration, with 20 tackles for loss, 15 sacks and 22 QB hits over parts of 4 NFL seasons. Unfortunately for former Dolphins DT Davon Godchaux, that most likely seals his fate and he most likely will not be returning here. (Update!) Godchaux has signed a 2 year deal with the Patriots, thanks to a couple of FMU NFL insiders.

On the offensive side of the ball, the Dolphins signed RB Malcolm Brown from the LA Rams. Brown while never a premier ballcarrier or workhorse, he brings a more physical running style than what we currently have in Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed and Patrick Laird. Brown was basically the 3rd cog in the Rams run game behind Cam Akers and Darrell Henderson. Brown had a career high 419 yards on 101 carries with a 4.1YPC. He also caught 23 balls for 162 yards and had 5 rushing TD’s. I believe this still leaves the door wide open to draft a RB, even an early pick as I think we still need a talent upgrade there. The Dolphins just recently signed former Texans WR Will Fuller to a 1 year deal. Honestly, I never wanted any part of Fuller because although he has the speed we need, he’s a guy that has a tough time staying on the field, and considering the fact that we already have that in DeVante Parker, that doesn’t give our young QB any kind of stability when guys are constantly missing time. In any case, the Dolphins do get a guy who averages on the high end of YPR (14.9) overall but a career high 16.7YPR last season along with 8 TD’s. Also keep in mind that both Allen Hurns and Albert Wilson are set to return this season after opting out due to COVID last season. Wilson and Hurns together count less than $8M against the cap so don’t count them out just yet.

We didn’t get Joe Thuney, David Andrews or even re-sign Ted Karras, so the Dolphins decided to gamble on former ravens C Matt Skura. Much like Fuller was to me, Skura wasn’t really on my radar. Skura was a 4 year started for a stout Ravens O-line, but he has had injury issues, most recently having a devastating injury 11/19 in which he tore just about anything and everything in his knee including his ACL/PCL/MCL and dislocating his knee cap. To Skura’s credit, he toughed it out last season starting 12 games and playing in 15. As to whether he’s an upgrade over Ted Karras remains to be seen, but Skura was definitely the less expensive option. It’s once again, possible we draft a center with Creed Humphrey, Landon Dickerson Josh Myers, and Trey Smith available. Dickerson and Humphrey could go as early as 2nd RD but the others should be available in the middle rounds.

There are rumors still swirling linking former Seahawks RB Chris Carson and the Dolphins. While I have no problem with bringing in Carson, in my mind at least it would have made the signing of Malcolm Brown unnecessary, but Brown at $1.75M hardly breaks the bank. If we do get Chris Carson, that would almost certainly turn our attention away from drafting a RB early in this draft, meaning no Najee Harris, Javonte Williams or Travis Etienne.


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2,263 Responses to Dolphins very active before the 2021 NFL Draft

  1. Randy says:

    Hell, these players’ parents are younger than me, but I don’t know why ya gotta bring up age, ya fucker. Lol

    • Tim Knight says:

      You’re mentioning old school stuff. You need special talents on both sides of the ball that impact games. Not being focused on specific positional skill sets. The game has become about playmakers. Meaning when you have top picks. You can fill the fundamental roles with 2nd tier players.

  2. Randy says:

    I’ve said for years that it’s about the players and argue with people around here almost every year about not trading out of the top 10-15 spots….including you! Lol

  3. Tim Knight says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we traded back from #18 for RB Javonte Williams. Get some more picks and still get a good prospect.

    • mf13ss says:

      That’s the first time I’ve heard of such a proposition… and it feels right(!), but only under once circumstance (IMO, of course)… we address pass-rusher with our 1st pick.

      Yes, that would mean Micah Parsons with our 1st pick, in this very deep WR draft class, to take one in the 2nd or 3rd round. And I’m cool with either Najee or Javonte.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m a big fan of both Parsons and Williams. I believe there are plenty of receivers available down the road. If we can land Humphrey and Ossai or something like that in the top 50 that’s winning!

    • steveccnv says:

      Can’t worry about RB or trading out of 18 until WR and OLB are taken care of.

      Plenty of guys at 18 to consider for OLB.

      I consider Lawson more Edge setter and less OLB, could be why he’s gone, because I think we need more of smaller, faster guy, with more quickness.

      Parsons fits our OLB need to a Tee, as does Owusu and a couple of others

  4. Krishna says:

    Pp’s draft didn’t make this page, but I loved the all in on building a killer D.

    I do think RB as is, WR unit is a busload, OL with no depth or more as holes.

    Can we get another 1st round pick somewhere? Lmao.

  5. Krishna says:

    TB showed you how to beat KC and BB. You don’t think Flores is all in on that?

  6. mf13ss says:

    Man, WAY too many (not just here) are sleeping on Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia.

    • mf13ss says:

      I’d be willing to bet that he goes before Greg Rousseau when it’s all said and done.

    • Krishna says:

      Edge is not a priority on D imo. It’s one dimensional solution. We need more than that on D.

      • mf13ss says:

        EDGE is the only thing we lack on Defense. That stated, we don’t necessarily have to draft an “EDGE” player. For weeks now, I’m saying either play Parsons on the EDGE, or as Tim had stated even better, have Parsons play the Elephant/Joker role as Jason Taylor had played.

        Kill two birds with one stone, knowing that Parsons will eventually become our #1 ILB.

      • Krishna says:

        Disagree, there are multiple ways to cover the Edge. Multiple sets and attacks minimize a true beed at Edge, imo.

    • steveccnv says:

      You know I don’t like him, but he may work out. I think he’s too sleepy, like fuckface.

      I just think he’s too risky

      • mf13ss says:

        It’s all good to have a difference of opinion, man! I respect that.

      • steveccnv says:

        When I watch his tape, his pursuit is bad, like he doesn’t want to break a nail, then on another play, when he whiffed on a tackle, he flew back and got in on a tackle.

        Shows me he’s not real motivated.

        When I played basketball, I was always the guy, that got back on D after a turnover. He’d be the selfish guy not getting back, and left cherry picking under his own basket. He plays football that way too

  7. Krishna says:

    I just don’t think we’re stout enough on D. I think Flores thinks we are not stout enough on D. He got rid of dead wood.

  8. Krishna says:

    We need a stout D, enough said. We are not that, for sure. We have to deal with some offense talent un the AFC. Deal with it.

    It will pay off in.the SB.

  9. steveccnv says:

    We gotta be able to stop Allen one week and the next week keep up with him on O.

    Receiver at 6, then Parsons or Owusu at 18. Parsons likely won’t be their, but Owusu should be

  10. bailbondmike says:

    OK Tim, here ya go (I think M13 will like this also):

    Trade 18 for 23, 34, 146

    6 Micah Parsons LB • Penn State
    23 Javonte Williams HB • North Carolina
    34 Azeez Ojulari ED • Georgia
    36 Wyatt Davis G • Ohio State
    50 Alim McNeill DI • North Carolina State
    81 Levi Onwuzurike DI • Washington
    146 Talanoa Hufanga S • USC
    156 Tamorrion Terry WR • Florida State
    231 Trey Hill C • Georgia
    258 Ian Book QB • Notre Dame

  11. Krishna says:

    81? Lmao. I stopped at the first 3. Nice.

  12. steveccnv says:

    They say teams mostly draft for future years. For example, since Fuller is only signed for 1 year, following that logic we need to draft a WR, like Waddle, and a replacement for Gesicki, in the event they aren’t resigned.

    Pitts could be a replacement for both, if we don’t care about stretching the field.

    I expect both will resign, with the cap going up, but that’s just an example of how an FO thinks

  13. bailbondmike says:

    #81 was supposed to be the speedy (4.26) CB from UGA, Eric Stokes!

  14. mf13ss says:

    bailbondmike says:
    March 28, 2021 at 10:09 pm
    OK Tim, here ya go (I think M13 will like this also):

    Trade 18 for 23, 34, 146

    6 Micah Parsons LB • Penn State
    23 Javonte Williams HB • North Carolina
    34 Azeez Ojulari ED • Georgia
    36 Wyatt Davis G • Ohio State
    50 Alim McNeill DI • North Carolina State
    81 Levi Onwuzurike DI • Washington
    146 Talanoa Hufanga S • USC
    156 Tamorrion Terry WR • Florida State
    231 Trey Hill C • Georgia
    258 Ian Book QB • Notre Dame
    STELLAR! LOVE this one!

  15. steveccnv says:

    9.3m over the cap with Elandon Roberts contract of 1.99m going thru.

    Oh no, what are we going to do, when we need 20m to sign our rookies🙄

  16. Krishna says:

    If we can get Pitts and Parsons. I’m in heaven. Najee. Absolutely. Now, I’m showing my Piggy colors.

  17. steveccnv says:

    We’ve got about 19 guys on rookie contracts, plus another 7 or so, could be half the team

  18. bailbondmike says:

    On March 24, Dolphins general manager Chris Grier decided to attend the South Carolina Pro Day over Pro Days at:
    Colorado State
    Michigan State
    Mississippi State

    South Carolina Pro Day featured: CB Jaycee Horn, CB Israel Mukuamu, WR Shi Smith, OG Sadarius Hutcherson, LB Ernest Jones

  19. bailbondmike says:

    If we do go WR at #6, I do hope it is Devonta Smith. The dude has serious football IQ.

    I am not biting on needing a WR who can take the top off a defense in the 1st round. There are other blazers who can take the top off farther down if you want that like: Dyami Brown, Anthony Schwartz, Marquez Stevenson, etc.

    IMO, Smith is the best all round receiver in this class.

  20. bailbondmike says:

    BC, VT, FSU, NCST, UVA, ND, the U, TAMU.

    Not exactly soft
    and Clemson isn’t to shabby, lol

  21. bailbondmike says:

    Here ya go, “May the Schwartz be with yooooooooooooou!”

  22. Krishna says:

    Well, all of ACC is soft and Clemson has no competition. Sorry to say and wish it weren’t so. No one comes close to Clemson among 14.

  23. Tim Knight says:

    #6 is a sweet spot in the draft. Nobody will call you out for that pick when everyone knows QB will be top 3. Plenty to choose from, follow your board. #3 was a valuable pick.🙂

    • steveccnv says:

      Think we should’ve ended up with a 2022 1st and a 2021 2nd.

      Grier got shafted, unless the 49ers are under 500 the next 2 years

      • Rhino says:

        read earlier (I’ll try to find it again) comparing both of our trades with previous teams moving down as much as 17 spots. The ‘final’ 3 moves down … regardless of how we got there … garnered more in return than teams moving back those 17 spots.

        I think we gotta look at this not as two trades but one complex trade for Fins to maximize what they can get for staying at no worse than #6.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Steve, the 49ers results have nothing to do with it. We moved back three spots and gained a 3rd, 5th and 1st. Not sure what you’re hung up on? The NFL world is praising the Dolphins trade and my family and friends who are Giants fans are saying the same thing. Yet you’re tangled up in blues. LOL

      • steveccnv says:

        Rhino you can’t compare how many spots you moved down,, you have to compare the points from the draft value chart to find like trades..

        Our trade to 12 was 1000pts, the same as the RG3 trade, here’s what they got the Rams received Washington’s No. 6 and No. 39 overall picks in 2012, its No. 22 pick in 2013 and its first-round pick in 2014.

        I didn’t expect to get that, but much better than we did, since it was for a QB. We almost got even draft value chart comp.

        Are they praising Grier, because of the color of his skin?

        And we gave up a 4th Tim.

        The jets went from 6 to 3 in 2018 and gave up 3 2nds, the equivalent to over 1100 pts.

        For going back 3 spots we lose 3 spots in the 1st and about 30 spots from the 4th to the 5th, and have to wait until next year to get the 3rd, and 2 years to get the first, why is that a good trade?

        The part about SF being under 500 had to do with how we came out after all was said and done.

        Don’t you think we would’ve given Philly the SF 2022 1st, if we thought the 49ers were going to have a better season than us?

        It’s not the 49ers results Tim, that matter now, it’s the expectation

  24. Tim Knight says:

    I have a dream… Micah Parsons, Creed Humphrey, Javonte Williams and Joseph Assai.

  25. Tim Knight says:

    Funny when a 2023 1st round pick is debated over a 2021 4th round pick. Nothing has changed other than we can basically make any trade we want and still have plenty of draft capital in the present and future.🙂

  26. ocalarob says:

    even though you have a lot of draft capital, you still have to pick the right guys.
    2019 picks
    Round 1 (13th overall) Christian Wilkins, DL, Clemson
    Round 2 Josh Rosen trade
    Round 3 (78th overall) — Michael Deiter, OL, Wisconsin
    Round 5 (151st overall) — Andrew Van Ginkel, LB, Wisconsin
    Round 6 (202nd overall) — Isaiah Prince, T, Ohio State
    Round 7 (233rd overall) — Chandler Cox, RB, Auburn
    round 7 miles gaskin

    Wilkins, i guess ok, he certainly isn’t bad but i’m not jumping up and down about him either.
    josh rosen trade was a complete disaster, we could have taken dk metcalf with that pick.
    deiter, 3rd rnd pick, cant crack into starting line up, i’d say below par pick
    van ginkle, great pick, i’m jumping up and down about him
    prince who? no longer on the team.
    cox was waived
    gasking solid pick

    out of 7 draftees only 3 solid picks not good

  27. ocalarob says:

    too early to evaluate last years draft but you have to admit our #5 over all last year was extremely disappointing.

    didn’t think iggy lived up to his draft status.

    hunt was disappointing, 2nd rnder and kindley beat him out

    weaver no longer with the team.

    i hope grier can do a better job picking talent this year


    Round 1, pick 5: Tua Tagovailoa, QB, Alabama

    Round 1, pick 18: Austin Jackson, OT, USC

    Round 1, pick 30: Noah Igbinoghene, CB, Auburn

    Round 2, pick 39: Robert Hunt, G, Louisiana-Lafayette

    Round 2, pick 56: Raekwon Davis, DT, Alabama

    Round 3, pick 70: Brandon Jones, S, Texas

    Round 4, pick 111 (from Texans): Solomon Kindley, G, Georgia

    Round 5, pick 154 (from Jaguars through Steelers): Jason Strowbridge, DE, North Carolina

    Round 5, pick 164 (from Eagles through Cowboys): Curtis Weaver, DE, Boise State

    Round 6, pick 185: Blake Ferguson, C, LSU

    Round 7, pick 246 (from Chiefs): Malcolm Perry, WR, Navy

  28. ocalarob says:

    i hear SF moved up to get Mac Jones not Justin Fields.
    they may have got jones at 12 if that rumor is true

  29. New Age says:


    People think it was a good trade because it was. The RG3 trade was the worst trade in several decades so we should look at other ones. Jets- threes 2nds is not the same as 1st rounders just like that antiquated chart doesn’t give true value for today’s NFL. For one thing, you can’t really guesstimate where any future pick will be drafted.

    We got a 2023 1st, a 5th this year, and a 3rd next year to draft where we want to draft. That’s good value. Grier abused BOB and turned one trade into a smorgasbord. As others have stated, we basically are still at #3 for any other player than a QB. That is awesome.

    • steveccnv says:

      We got a 5, gave up a 4th, and 2 future picks to still draft the same player, that’s great, but don’t tell me we got value on those trades.

      The reason the media loves it is, because of where the puck came from, the Tunsil trade.

      If you could trade down every pick and still draft the same player, you would and the draft would be loved by all.

      I loved that we traded down, but I don’t love the value we got back.

      The draft value chart is there for 1 reason, to setup a baseline for trades, if you didn’t get the pts in return, then you didn’t get value.

      When trading for future 1sts I don’t apply the rule that a 2022 1st equals a 2021 2nd, because 1st round picks have more value.

      When you trade out of 3 you should get some benefit in the current year or you need to at least beat the value chart

  30. steveccnv says:

    It was only 400 pts to drop from 6 to 12, and it wasn’t for a QB, you could argue Philly got a better deal than we did in our 2 trades.

    I said, before the trade, I’d be pissed, if we drafted at 3, so I’m happy we moved down, just saying we didn’t get good value

  31. David Collins says:

    they finally got the ever givens big ass out of the way at 430 am, the markets and futures were tanking and reversed on the impending good news

    it looks like capitolism is only as good as the boats from taiwan, smh
    we HAVE to get back to manufacturing goods in the US again, we are far too reliant on foreign nations and shipping

    • bailbondmike says:

      Won’t happen in the next couple years since your President is back to kissing that Chinese ass.

      • David Collins says:

        Biden doesnt kiss the chinese ass, thats false
        besides, the previous president promised to bring the jobs back, he did not

        this has been a problem since reagonomics, and no president has fixed it

        this isnt a president problem, its a national interest., its called capitolism

        it benefits the rich and screws people like US

      • steveccnv says:

        If he didn’t bring the jobs back why did we have the lowest unemployment maybe ever?

        You can’t gaslight that lie.

        Companies were lining up to come back to the US and others didn’t leave as they were planning to do, between election and innaguration

      • David Collins says:

        Steve, im not gaslighting, i loathe it

        but the manufacturing jobs, Have NOT returned, the nation is extremely reliant on foreign goods and foreign shipping, the evergiven , painfully drove that point home

      • David Collins says:

        walmart gets lightbulbs from China, America cant make light bulbs anymore?

        not as cheap as they can from China, its not the presidents, its the corporations

      • steveccnv says:

        There’s a difference between saying mfg didn’t come back and it didn’t all come back.

        It started to come back. Hillary would’ve made it go in the other direction

  32. ocalarob says:

    600 pts to go from 3 to 6, which is where we ended up, the # 32 pick in the 23 nfl draft will be worth 590 pts, that only happens if san fran wins the superbowl

  33. bailbondmike says:

    i hear SF moved up to get Mac Jones not Justin Fields.
    they may have got jones at 12 if that rumor is true
    Was kind of hearing same thing. They didn’t move up for Fields but were afraid the Pats might move in front of them for Mac Jones.

    • steveccnv says:

      I think Jones sucks for SF, he’ll be a statue behind an ordinary pass blocking line.

      What made him look good last year was, he has prototypical size and pretty good arm strength and accuracy, not great.

      He’s basically Jim Druckenmiller.

      When comparing him to Tua, his strength is Tua’s weakness, that size. Playing on that team he didn’t need the intangibles Tua possess. Tua needed them, because of his lack of size.

      This is the season for rumors, so take what you hear…

      • David Collins says:

        many scouts would likely disagree, they think Jones is a NFL QB, and a good QB to select at the 12 position, according to some mock drafts.

        i dont know enough about him, except hes not on the Dolphins radar, but he looks damn good on film, im sure someone in a QB hungry league will take him

  34. David Collins says:

    In recent weeks, U.S. automakers have been hit hard by a global shortage of semiconductors. It’s the latest problem stemming from America’s over-reliance on a wide range of industrial imports. With the COVID-19 pandemic having disrupted global supply chains, U.S. automakers are now scrambling to find adequate supplies of the computer chips that run everything from power steering and navigation systems to collision sensors. The issue is serious enough that both GM and Ford have halted production.

    The Biden administration is racing to address the problem — along with other serious supply chain vulnerabilities. The president has already issued an executive order identifying key import dependencies, including semiconductors. It’s a promising start, but the United States must rapidly rebuild its domestic chipmaking industry in order to lessen the nation’s dependence on overseas suppliers.
    News press more

    i hate to break the bad news to ya Steve, but the US is so reliant on foreign goods that we cant even make cars anymore, Ford and GM shut down production.

    the problem has NOT been taken care of by anyone, yet, however Biden is attempting it

    • steveccnv says:

      You can’t fix the damage done in mfg the last 30 years in 4 years, when everything is a fight.

      It takes administration after administration to fix it.

      Biden doesn’t do anything other than read off of a teleprompter (his voice is the voice of the deep state, he’s a puppet) and say stupid shit.

      No one believes he’s all there enough to be running the country

      • David Collins says:

        i agree that it cant all be fixed in 4 years, but You seem to think Biden can fix it in a few months?
        i know You dont like Him, but My point was only that US manufacturing, has NOT returned and is costing the nation now

        the boat and all the waves it made , illustrates the point, painfully

        its a problem that corporations made, and will fight Biden, like they fought all the other admins, he may fail, like the others did, but if he does, we all pay the price for it, like we have been since reagonomics

        somebody has to tackle this or it wont get fixed

      • steveccnv says:

        Biden can’t fix it, he just has to keep us in the right direction, but he can’t, because he’s compromised by China.

        Tariffs are necessary, and you can’t worry about their short term effects. Biden wants to get rid of the tariffs.

        What did I say to make you think I said Biden could fix it in a few months?

        Anyways, thanks for the civil conversation

      • David Collins says:

        good convo, and Bidens challenge is so big , good chance he will fail like the others did, SMH
        just hoping for our sake that it gets done, the sooner the better

        but the tarriffs are a horrible idea, thats just a tax on US business, the falsehood was beijing was paying them, but US corporations paid them at their point of sale, they had to pay the DHS, and had to eat it or pass it on to US consumers

        its all water under the bridge, just need some water underneath that damn boat, lol

      • steveccnv says:

        Tariffs raise the price of foreign goods, doesn’t matter who pays them directly.

        As a business you can buy a kilo of whatever for 5k plus 2k to ship, with the tariff it costs you 6k plus 2k to ship, in the US it costs you 7.5k. Where are you going to but it?

  35. bailbondmike says:

    I was thinking, why don’t they try moving Iggy to FS with his elite speed and move Bobby Mac back to slot. Then draft a thumper SS type who is also good in coverage like Talanoa Hufanga, 6’1″ 215 pounds from USC.

    His Pro Day 40 time was not as good as I would like to see (4.61). But dude is a “football player” and a heck of an athlete. He played QB, RB, WR, and Safety in HS and excelled at all.

    “In 2020, Hufanga was a consensus All-American, First Team All-Pac-12, and the 2020 Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year. Leading the Pac-12 in solo tackles and interceptions, he proved to be a force. Not just as a tackler, but as a playmaker in coverage as well.
    He had an interception in four consecutive games in the middle of the shortened 2020 season. In his three years as a USC safety, he had 11 games with double-digit tackles.”

    Three year stats at USC: 203 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 16.5 TFL, 4 FF, 4 INT’s, 12 PD’s.

  36. steveccnv says:

    Yahoo Sports

    The Miami Dolphins, now picking 6th, get to play a little bit of defense with the NFL Draft order — primarily with their division rivals from New England apparently going all-in for the short-term. Many speculated that the New England Patriots were gearing up to trade up for a quarterback in the 2021 NFL Draft. But that outlook is suddenly much more challenging with the Dolphins once again sitting right in the middle of the top-10 picks.

    They also suggest we might not be done trading back, if the board falls right.

    If we actually did trade down to 6, to block the cheats, and move down to say 8, I’ll consider the overall value excellent.

    To say we moved to 6, because we targeted someone their may not be accurate.

    If we do move back again to 8 and Carolina takes a QB, we would’ve singlehandedly manipulated the top of the draft to move as many as 5 QBs to the top of the draft, blocking NE, getting comp, while getting a great prospect at a lower cap hit than at 3.

    If Atl goes QB, it’s a no brainer to try to drop to 8 or even 9.

    Trading back again would be another reason why we made the Friday trades well before the draft, to give time to setup more evil genius.

    The media will lose their shit, if we drop down again

  37. steveccnv says:

    The media can say what they like about Jones, that doesn’t make it so.

    Here’s how I see these lazy SOBS doing their job, one top guy says something good about Jones, then the rest of them are all in, its human nature.

    Last year the same media said, Tua has a big arm, and that was the consensus here too, then I said, he had a noodle arm and it made people take a look and come to their own conclusion.

    Same thing happens around the country, one media personality will say something and the rest will follow.

    Jones is an FN statue

    • David Collins says:

      Tua came off a bad hip injury and couldnt work out , he was rehabbing
      that was last year, this year hes working out

      we will all witness year 2, and like Flores said, Im also excited to see his year 2 progression

  38. steveccnv says:

    I saw a mock that had Atl taking Surtain, that would be almost as good as them taking a QB and would allow us to trade back to 8 or 9.

    They had lots of teams come back on them, it would be a good pick, but I’ve heard the 49ers were also talking to them about pick 4 and couldn’t get anywhere, that tells me they have someone in mind either Sewell or QB

    • Rhino says:

      Agreed. I wrote a few days ago when I went all in on Parsons (lol) that the best thing for Fins now was Atl going QB or CB, cuz Cincy absolutely goes Sewell (or Burrow starts asking for a trade lol). Now check the interest of Carolina and Denver about moving up for Jones. Even if for one additional pick this year, Fins at #8 are basically in the same position as they had been at #6, at #9 they simply concede that 2 of 4 players they like may be gone.
      The only thing that disrupts this thinking is IF we have one specific player that FO can’t live without.
      Good quote from Yahoo Sports 🙂

  39. Mike E. says:

    I’m not really sure we dropped to target any particular player, it doesn’t really make sense that we would do that now because you have no idea who is going to take who. I just think there are probably at least 3 prospects we like at that spot and we’d like to have a choice of at least a couple of them.

  40. The Flying Pig says:

    If would be funny to drop from 6th to 8th

    But if they targeted a skill player like Chase it Pitts it’s quite a risk

  41. The Flying Pig says:

    Is it too early to prepare for the Tua – Chase – Harris era?

  42. Rhino says:

    Great ‘nerdy’ read about Draft Efficiency 2010-2019 (2020 class not included as this was written in June 2020).

    Evaluates/Ranks all teams on 1) Draft Capital, 2) Draft Return, 3) Draft Return vs Capital
    You can click each column to see how Miami ranks for each individual year, or the cumulative last 10 yrs, or the cumulative last 5 years.

    Return vs Capital is probably the best way to evaluate a team’s draft success (comparatively).
    For the 10 years Miami ranked 15th. For the last 5 years Fins ranked 12th.

    Grier’s first draft in 2016 was 100%, which is the ‘break even’ league average for the comparisons.
    2017 was a disastrous 86%
    Then it seems Grier found his groove 2018 118% which ranks 6th.
    2019 was 119% (the rookie class during Flores’ first year). Although only ranked 13th it was still well above the league average in a draft that had exactly 1/2 of teams below league average.

    I would love to see 2020 rankings and will keep an eye for updates. It does feel like our comparative draft results are Trending UP ! (as if Grier found a way to keep Ross’ opinions out of the draft room). lol

  43. bailbondmike says:

    I can see Cincy going with Sewell and taking Burrows’ other LSU receiver in the second in Terrace Marshall. Chase gets a lot of hype from that championship season. That was Chase’s only productive season on a team with an incredible roster. With Chase and Jefferson, Marshall still caught 13 TD’s that season. Marshall caught 10 TD’s last year in a shortened season on a depleted LSU team. Marshall is also 3″ taller than Chase.

    Will be interesting to see their measurements at the LSU Pro Day on March 31.

    • Rhino says:

      A few days ago on my post of “on the record for Parsons and Paye” … I listed Marshall as our possible target in 2nd round IF we take a WR in first two rounds. GREAT value in 2nd round.

      • bailbondmike says:

        I agree. IMO, Marshall is the real deal. He had great production last year on an offense that lost, at least, 8 starters to the NFL (QB, RB, 2 WR’s, TE and 3 OL). That’s a lot!

  44. pheloniusphish says:

    This is why I don’t think they take WR at 6 or 18.
    Some highlights:
    If you use first-team All Pro selections, then only nine of the 77 first-round picks have qualified and only eight of those were as wide receivers.

    If you use first team Pro Bowl selections, then 21 of these first-round wide receivers have done that.

    19 of the 77 wide receivers taken in the first round this century have or had fewer than 100 career receptions in the NFL.

    So let’s focus on the 2015 NFL class of wide receivers. That was supposed to be a very good year for WR talent.

    There were 34 wide receivers taken that year in the draft. Only two have made the Pro Bowl and only one, Cooper, as a wide receiver. Tyler Lockett made it as a returner. Lockett was also the All Pro returner that season. Of those six wide receivers taken in the first, three of them have never been a starter – Kevin White, Breshad Perriman and Phillip Dorsett.

  45. CavalierKong says:

    Rhino, most people think the lions only took goff and his contract to seal the Stafford deal, but it’s entirely possible they roll with him a year and see if they can make it work.

  46. New Age says:

    Some great points this morning. The odds of finding the best at anything in the NFL are at best 50/50. You still want people who either gave elite measurable or tape with your top picks.

    With the limited knowledge we have, is Pitts elite? Shouldn’t he become elite? I’d say yes and if he never meets that standard is it my bad drafting skill or him not taking his opportunity? Like Isiah Wilson. He’s the one one who primarily fucked up. He looked good for the free work at school but didn’t care about an easy fortune in the NFL. Never would have expected it.

    I’d still pick Chase, Pitts, Smith, Sewell or Parsons at 3, 6, 8, or 9 rather than some lesser known prospect.

    • stangerx says:

      Another Q than will they be elite though. Out of the group you put out, Pitts and Sewell have the best chance of not being a bust. And there is a value to that as well.

  47. New Age says:


    I read the same thing about us trying to fuck over NE with the trade up. I could see it especially with Flores as coach. He knows Bill and he is very confident in himself.

    As a fan, I want elite. Flores on the other hand wants guys who fit and he thinks coaching can make the biggest difference. We may not go after the top weapons on O but then again, they have picked the BPA so far, at least early

  48. stangerx says:

  49. mf13ss says:

    Javonte Williams: 4.58 40-time at his Pro Day today.

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    I’m underwhelmed by Rousseau’s results.

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  58. mf13ss says:

    Gregory Rousseau just fell out of the 1st round today. SMH

    If any of the Covid opt-outs were sitting on the couch eating Cheetos, it was him.

  59. steveccnv says:

    This article should’ve come put after the jets picked Wilson.

    BYU coaches and players jumped to the defense of BYU quarterback Zach Wilson when an anonymous scout raised “character concerns” in a recent Walter Football article. The article claimed “[Wilson] has character concerns, rich kid who is an entitled brat – uncle owns Jet Blue -, parents are a pain, not a leader, selfish, and he’s a know-it-all.”

    • stangerx says:

      “rich kid”
      “uncle owns Jet Blue ”
      ” parents are a pain”

      And those are character concerns because????
      The rest I get, but seems like traits that would be hard to hide and haven’t come out before now.

      • stangerx says:

        Should have added — did someone say the same about Steve Young? Very similar situation.

      • steveccnv says:

        And Johnny Manziel

      • stangerx says:

        But Manziel wasn’t a Mormon going to BYU. You ever dealt with those folks? Sorta boring but man are they honest and hard working as the day is long.

      • steveccnv says:

        Word is he’s arrogant. I don’t know, if he is, but its fore sure a concern with any FO looking to draft him

      • steveccnv says:

        Are you kidding me or something Stanger? LV is Mormon south country

      • stangerx says:

        So you get what I mean Steve. Might not be the best folks to have a beer with…. but then not folks who will get in trouble off the field either. And that’s a big plus upfront. If he’s arrogant…. wouldn’t be the first NFL QB that is. Little less than that in confidence is actually prized.

  60. mf13ss says:

    Interesting about Micah Parsons… didn’t realize this fun fact. It’s no biggie to me, but the video as a whole encapsulates just how great Parsons is as a player, even back to his high school days. Please note that he’s a former RB and OLB. Yes, he can play the EDGE, folks, as I’ve told you before…

  61. mf13ss says:

  62. The Flying Pig says:

    Looks like Phillips ran the 40 in less time than it takes him to put on a helmet

  63. stangerx says:

    That huge container ship that was blocking the Suez Canal has been refloated and traffic has resumed. Might not seem like it, but that does impact your life. We’re in a global economy world.

  64. mf13ss says:

    As of RIGHT NOW, today, 3/29/21… I think Micah Parsons is my new #1 overall target for our Miami Dolphins. Here’s why…

    1) He checked all the boxes at his Pro-Day, he’s been taking things VERY SERIOUSLY (unlike Greg Rousseau)
    2) We go back to the tape after the Combine (<– non-existent this year) and Pro-Days… Parsons shows it on his tape
    3) Not only can he play EDGE, he can blitz from any LB position (Elephant/Joker!!!)
    4) Solid tackler, heat-seeking missile (sorry that we disagree, Randy)
    5) Game-changer
    6) 3-down player, and he's going to be on the field 95% of the time
    7) Fundamental understanding of the running game, being he was a former RB

    Now, then… I need Steve Ross to sign off on him!

    • steveccnv says:

      Steve just signed off😉

      I think his part of the scandal was, that he was the big name to give it legs, if he did something sexually offensive, he would’ve been part of the lawsuit.

      Because the team said, they didn’t have enough to make it a sexual assault means the bullying happened.

      Gross Matos had no issues his first year in the NFL, not sure why Parsons would have an issue

      • mf13ss says:

        I hear ya, Steve. Perhaps there is nothing to worry about, after all. I hope you’re right, man!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed. He’s my top defensive player and I’m still on the fence on offense. If Sewell is there he could really help turn the OL into one of the better units in the league.

  65. steveccnv says:

    I’m leaning more towards getting passrush from a LB type rather than a larger DE type, so a faster under 25p LB guy

    • mf13ss says:

      Honestly, I had been the opposite of you. I placed a LOT of hope in the likes of a Rousseau, knowing he’s a natty DE… I definitely wanted a natty DE. My tune is quickly changing after seeing some of the these Pro-Days, meaning the best EDGEs out there are clearly natty LBs.

      Gotta roll with the punches, and thus, our best chances of getting an EDGE comes from the LB position this year.

  66. steveccnv says:

    Trying to watch how our DL lined up last year, and it doesn’t really matter, if we’re 3-4 or 4-3 or something else, as far as what type of ends we use.

    Sometimes Ogbah lines up with his hand down and sometimes not, but usually in the same position.

    Sometimes we have an NT, a lot of the time not.

    Bottom line is we just put guys that play multiple positions out there and let them go to work.

    Do we end an Edge, DE, or an OLB? Easy answer is yes, just get the best passrusher available, that can play multiple positions.

    Rousseau doesn’t seem to fit what we do, but if we draft him Flores knows better than I do.

    Think maybe Roberts plays a little outside too.

  67. steveccnv says:

    The highlights I watched were all sacks and TOs. Mostly the QB seemed confused

  68. mf13ss says:


  69. D says:

    Phillips looks like Side show bob from the si.psons, not kid n play, they had their shit squared away.

  70. steveccnv says:

    We already have Ogbah, Wilkins, Davis, Seiler, Butler, Strowbridge and Jones on the DL, that are somewhat interchangeable by position, do we really need another?

    If we go Rousseau in the 1st, where is he going to play? Backup to Ogbah?

    We need OLB, but can get by with what we have, no need to reach

  71. Tim Knight says:

    What’s the issue with Gregory Rousseau? I read he did well in his pro day and well in interviews.

  72. steveccnv says:

    We beat the Rams, because our D confused the he’ll out of Goff.

    Don’t think it went unnoticed by their HC

    • steveccnv says:

      You could say the same thing about the other LA’s team’s QB.

      Even Mahomes was confused at times, he just made enough plays to win

    • mf13ss says:

      Agreed. Man, DC Boyer really did improve mid-season, and NOBODY knew what to do!

      • steveccnv says:

        I give Flores credit too and all the D coaches.

        Do we really have anyone on the front 7, that’s going to make any DC loose sleep over?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Add more closing speed and we take that next step on defense.

      Would not be surprised if we drafted Parsons and another Edge player in the 1st two rounds. We love to use those Amoeba defensive looks where nobody knows who is going to do what.

      • steveccnv says:

        Parsons would be someone to have DCs lose sleep over, but I think McKinney will sure up a lot.

        NEs D was bad without Hightower.

        McMillian wasn’t the right guy, wanted no part of him before the draft.

      • Tim Knight says:

        McKinney was a really good pickup. We have some nice depth at LB who can also play STs but we need more special. I think Parsons gives us that guy.

    • stangerx says:

      Few people are for a true open border, but for sure there should be testing. Long been in favor of controlled immigration. But it starts with who is here already. First up those DACA kids. No other country do they know.

      • steveccnv says:

        No one wants an open border, but they that admin a free pass…for everything as far as I’m concerned. No one in the MSM holds them accountable for anything

      • stangerx says:

        And I’m not for that. Would like to lock the border down. Stated how I felt on it last message up. Am in favor of legal immigration, but first have to cleanup the folks we already have here.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Most of them haven’t. I’m okay with finding a way for the DACA kids with criteria and an end to giving everyone US citizenship just because their parents had them here.

      • stangerx says:

        Complicated subject, but ending the born in the US citizenship status is going to take a change to the Constitution. Tough to do.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        And that is the problem with DACA. You have to plug the hole to help those kids. Otherwise you just keep creating the same problem.

  73. pheloniusphish says:

    I think McKinney fits Miami’s scheme better than Lawson did, but as Tim said they need someone special at LB. I was disappointed in 2018 when Miami took MFF while Edmunds was still on the board. I think Parsons has the best chance to be that kind of player.

  74. mf13ss says:

    To be honest, McKinney is a 1-down, run-stopping player. He became what we hoped McMillan would become, and even made the Pro-Bowl. Yes, there’s value in that, truly.

    And also to be honest, we’ve lost play-makers in Shaq Lawson and KVN. We NEED to draft a play-maker for our DF7, in order to replace the losses. I’m talking about the sacks, pressures, FFs, FRs, and INTs collectively provided by Lawson and KVN.

    Just sayin’…

    • mf13ss says:

      Tim Knight says:
      March 29, 2021 at 5:10 pm
      McKinney was a really good pickup. We have some nice depth at LB who can also play STs but we need more special. I think Parsons gives us that guy.

    • steveccnv says:

      McKinney has value blitzing too, so he can play more than 1 down, and we have enough LBS, that can come in, when it’s nickel or dime, but someone has to be able to stop the run in the middle

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s more than a one down LB. He’s big and rangy kind of like Dansby.

      • mf13ss says:

        Not sure I’d compare McKinney to Karlos Dansby! Yes, McKinney is a lot better than I give him credit for… but he’s not rangy like Dansby, man.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s 6-4 250+ has very long arms and ran in the 4.6 range when he came out of college. You don’t make the pro bowl being a one down situational LB. Not all plays end up on the stat sheet.

  75. steveccnv says:

    I think Fansided reads us, they basically said what I did this morning

    • stangerx says:

      Wouldn’t doubt that some of the writers over there mine this place for ideas. A fan site on steroids after all. And this place is an open read after all. Plus any comment of yours would be gold.

    • CavalierKong says:

      They talk about the idea we might have gotten a better deal if we waited until draft day, say from #7 or #8 trading up.

      I still think we did the deal now because we wanted to be sure we didn’t get stuck at #3. If we got to draft day and the Jest decided they wanted to trade down, the had all the leverage to beat us to the punch, and our odds of getting stuck at #3 go up.

      And who do we select at #3 that we can’t select at #6? Basically no one. This deal ensured we got some compensation and still get whatever player we want.

  76. steveccnv says:

    Parker has 15.8m in dead money.

    Peter King says we should draft a WR at 6 and trade Parker.

    How the fuck do these people keep their jobs? It’s trade 101 to first look at the dead money

    • mf13ss says:

      I’ve been calling Peter King this, for well over a decade and a half: “little peter”.

      Have NO idea how he got his job, and why he’s so venerated by the media. He’s really not that good at his job.

  77. Randy says:

    I actually watched Parsons play a couple times. I didn’t just watch highlight film…where you don’t get to see the bad plays….or read somebody’s assessment of him, like most around here. He does not always make the play on inside running plays because he’s undisciplined at times. He will run to a spot or overrun a play because he’s not breaking down and reading the play correctly. At least that’s what it looked like to me. I think in one of the Iowa games he only had 3 or 4 tackles. I evaluate him as an ILB because that’s what he played. Yes, they moved him around, but he was an ILB. If you’re gonna play ILB, you need to make the correct reads and not be running yourself out of position.
    I certainly don’t think it’s anything to be overly concerned about, but it will be magnified in the NFL because his speed won’t be enough to compensate if he’s taking wrong steps at that level. If they plan on playing him as an OLB, it won’t be as big of a concern. He’s a really good prospect, so it’s not a deal breaker or anything. He could really be a nice asset to this amoeba-type defense with his flexibility. He’d probably be my first choice if we draft defense.

    • mf13ss says:

      All good, man! Always alright to disagree, and I know I’m not always right. But I think we agree that Parsons could be a mismatch nightmare for our Defense. Yes, he’ll KILL IT as an OLB/EDGE player for us in his initial years, before moving back inside.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s a young man who can still get better but he has elite potential. We haven’t drafted him yet but whoever does gets a big time LB. I’ve been high on him for months now. His hazing accusations are not enough to derail his career. That ends in the NFL.

  78. The Flying Pig says:

    Daily dose

  79. Krishna says:

    Rusty Hardin is Deshaun Watson’s attorney? Wasn’t he OJ Simpson’s?

  80. pheloniusphish says:

    Elite college WR who were NFL sure things only they weren’t. You all will recognize some of them. Some have even been…Samurai…
    Laquon Treadwell
    Ted Ginn Jr.
    Troy Edwards
    Peter Warrick
    Freddie Mitchell
    David Terrell
    Jon Baldwin
    Ryan Broyles
    David Boston
    Reggie Williams
    Justin Blackmon
    Ashley Lelie
    Darrius Heyward-Bey
    Braylon Edwards
    Charles Rogers

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Just when you make me cringe about taking aWR I start to think of pass rushing busts and that’s a long list with not the least which being DFF and Charles Harris then Taco came here to prove he was in fact a bust.
      Every position has a list

  81. steveccnv says:

    Dropping back to 8 is 200pts to 9 is 250pts. Carolina’s 3rd is 225pts and Denver’s is 235, and about 500 for their 2nds

  82. Krishna says:

    Draft points don’t mean shit to me, it’s about hitting your picks. Sometimes homework works, sometimes you don’t do enough homework, and sometimes no matter how much homework you do, you still fuck it up. Lol!

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s besides the point. The point was a 3rd is a starting point of what you can get in return to drop a couple of spots

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yes but we have a lot to work with. Grier and Flores are tied at the hip. It’s go time!

  83. Krishna says:

    Lol…the point is about the points. I changed the subject, the point is about the pick.

    A 3 pick is supposedly more valuable than a 6 pick, because of the points. Who was the dick we picked at 3, jordan somebody? Great value moving up, horrible pick. Then MFF. Top pick, value? I think we got another pick, but it wasn’t a 1st rounder if i recall.

    It’s the pick, not the points. That’s my only point. The more picks the greater chances of getting it right.

    The points are just a capitalistic view of the value without knowing the company. Just my 2 cents.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Other than a few prospects the points or order doesn’t mean much. It’s about play on the field. Names always look good on paper.

    • Krishna says:

      When you pick in the top 10, you need to pick a starter, bpa, at a need position. We have that luxury this year, last year, and hopefully next year. It’s about the picks, position, not in trade points. Points are just a gauge of “fairness”. Lol.

  84. The Flying Pig says:


    I see you just lost and I raise you my list of 2021 pro bowl wrs who were once first round picks

    DeAndre Hopkins
    Julio Jones
    Mike Evans
    Amari Cooper

    What’s really interesting is that all those guys were also going n the pro bowl roster in 2019

    In 2018 you can add AJ Green and Larry Fitzgerald to the list of former first rounders

    Dominant Wide Receivers can change an offense and be a QB’s best friend
    Which is exceptionally important when you are bringing your 2nd year guy around

    I actually think Jamarr Chase might be the best WR to come out since Julio Jones

    He crushed a lot of nfl caliber corners in college including our very own Iggy
    Chase is going to be dominant in the nfl

    I haven’t felt so good about a prospect at WR since DeAndre Hopkins

  85. Randy says:

    I think we are nicely positioned to bring in a handful of long term starters over the next couple years. This roster is far from set, but we have plenty of draft capital to address it. In a rebuild like we’ve done, I’ve always felt year 3 is when you hope to be in the playoffs and year 4 is when you actually want to be a legitimate contender. I know some folks think that’s too long. Lol
    I like how the first couple years have gone. I don’t agree with everything, but overall I think they’ve done pretty good. The exciting part for me is that I think this team is still not even close to playing as well as they can. A few more big time contributors on the roster, and we are that much closer. I will admit, if we don’t make the playoffs next year, it will be disappointing. Frankly, a lot hinges on Tua.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Tua is a huge part of all of this and I’m excited about him.

    • steveccnv says:

      This isn’t the 70s, rosters are never set these days, you just hope you have enough in some areas to carry others.

      We get Pitts and we may be able to outscore teams

      • Tim Knight says:

        Pitts is a unique talent. I don’t even think about him being a TE. He’s a scoring weapon.

      • steveccnv says:

        He’s only a TE in that he can play lined up on the line and help with run blocking, so more valuable, than a traditional WR

  86. steveccnv says:

    Just read something I’ve never heard before, but sounds reasonable, so I’m going to assume it’s true.

    The article said the way teams value future picks is by assuming they’re pick 16 one round later per year.

    Our trade with SF then had a value of 635pts to us, 35pts higher than the draft value chart.

    The Philly trade cost us 442pts or 42pts higher than the draft value chart

  87. son of a son of a shula says:

    I wanted to make a Suez Canal joke but it’s too late…

    That ship has sailed

  88. The Flying Pig says:

  89. ocalarob says:

    did i mention Tua sucks?

  90. sb7mvp says:

    That Javonte Williams run looks like he hit nearly every button on the playstation controller.
    Tap L1
    Hold X
    Truck Stick
    Hit Circle
    Hold X
    Hit Circle

  91. The Flying Pig says:

  92. steveccnv says:

    From Crabbs

    No. 18 overall — DE Azeez Ojulari, Georgia Bulldogs
    Ojulari may have the most complete resume of the top pass rushers in the 2021 class. The challenge with Ojulari is that he’s not necessarily an ideal fit from a traits perspective as a defensive end in Brian Flores’ defense; so he may have to play a rush linebacker role similar to Andrew Van Ginkel and Vince Biegel if the Dolphins pegged him for the roster at No. 18 overall.

    This is why I don’t think Rousseau is a fit either. I’m looking for a more pure LB to play on the outside.

    Flores likes the smaller do everything types, that rush the passer, drop in coverage and can play different spots.

    I think Lawson didn’t fit either

    • CavalierKong says:

      That is extremely detailed which lends a lot of verisimilitude to her story, and she is not involved in the suits. That dude is a complete dirtbag. I’m sorry I ever defended him.

      • steveccnv says:

        I never really defended him, but had doubts about the lawsuits. Pretty damn hard to after this story, especially with SI corroborating social media posts.

        He could be facing criminal charges, if they take that route.

        Watson, Watson, Watson…what are you doing?

      • steveccnv says:

        It’s really hard to believe there’s still famous people out there that haven’t learned a thing from Me Too

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Apes with dictionaries….

      • stangerx says:

        Lol Phelon — our Ape is well-read.

    • steveccnv says:

      Friggin Watson thinks he’s living in Bangkok, where a few Baht will get his rocks off, in a massage parlor

  93. steveccnv says:

    Tyrod must be feeling pretty good about starting for the Texans this year.

    Peyton Manning had massage therapy issues as well, so it isn’t hard to believe this story

    • The Flying Pig says:

      These guys see a lot of physical therapists, masseuses, etc…. to help with the toll on the damage their body takes in the game

      But that doesn’t sound like what Watson had in mind when he was dry humping the air on a Masseuse’s table

      That story is a lot more credible than the others bc it’s not some Instagram model he flew to Houston, it’s a legit masseuse

      Watson is going to end up being suspended

      I thought for a time, he might just be being shamed for soliciting sex….but that story in that article is potentially criminal sexual assault

      Don’t know if it’s true, am I’m he distant to give volume of accusations too much weight – but that woman’s story takes it to a different level in my opinion

      • steveccnv says:

        Yep, and the social media posts are backed up by SI.

        Parts of the story, that are backed up, like him reaching out to her again, then once she said she’d see him again, but it had to be professional, and him not booking are very telling

  94. steveccnv says:

    With Cethan Carter having 2.7m in dead money, he’ll be on the team, mostly on STs, but I’d think that likely is the end of Laird, especially if we draft an RB

  95. steveccnv says:

    There is, after all, a reason the Miami special teams have been as good as any in the NFL in 2020.

    The rankings prove it:

    The Dolphins rank first in the league in punt return average (13.9) and kickoff return average allowed (16.8); they are second in punt return average allowed (4.3); and they’re fifth in field goal percentage (96.0).

    The Dolphins have had their share of big special teams plays not involving Sanders, with the two that stand out being Jakeem Grant’s punt return for a touchdown in the victory against the Rams and Andrew Van Ginkel’s punt block two weeks later against the Chargers.

    Arguably the Dolphins’ three main contributors on special teams this season have been offseason acquisitions Clayton Fejedelem and Kavon Frazier and 2019 December pick-up Mack Hollins. Another key contributor has been long-snapper Blake Ferguson, who the Dolphins selected in the sixth round of the 2020 NFL draft.

    Fejedelem and Frazier were elected as special teams captains for 2020, while Hollins is the team’s nominee for the Pro Bowl among special-teamers for his work as the gunner (outside player running down the field first to cover punts).

    Since we value STs so much, it’s hard to believe these 3 don’t make the team, and Grant

  96. steveccnv says:

    I think Flores realizes there’s 3 units to a football team, each as valuable as the other, and it’s cheaper to fill ST slots with studs, than the other 2 units.

    Games last year, where we struggled with field position we struggled overall

  97. steveccnv says:

    Along with having ascending players in key spots and valuable role players at others, the Dolphins obviously have benefited from some good coaching — because the kind of success they’re having would not be possible without it.

    Fejedelem discussed Crossman’s coaching and his style this week.

    “He just demands that you know your assignment,” Fejedelem said. “You’re only getting chewed out if you’re not going through all the scouting reports with a fine-tooth comb. He holds the players to a standard, the guys on this team hold each other to a standard and that’s why we’re executing the way we are right now.”

    Kind of puts into perspective why he can take hisins…

  98. stangerx says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 30, 2021 at 10:44 am
    Friggin Watson thinks he’s living in Bangkok, where a few Baht will get his rocks off, in a massage parlor
    Places like that in the US too… just ask Bob Kraft. Thing is Watson didn’t go to them when he could have. Forcing/manipulating it on normal massage therapists must have given him some kind of thrill. Not like the money involved was an issue.

  99. stangerx says:

    DeVonta Smith is a popular faller in a lot of mock drafts. One just looking at had him at #15 to the Pats. And many have Waddle in front of him. What happened? Not like anything really did except him weighing in at 170 instead of the 175 listed on the roster.

  100. Ken says:

    I don’t think our special teams was all that great this past especially in terms of kick coverage. We gave up 2 punt returns for TD this year and in the KC that was the difference between a win and a loss

    • Tim Knight says:

      Overall we’ve been pretty good on STs for a few years. A couple of bad plays doesn’t take down the entire body of work.

      • Ken says:

        Kick coverage needs to be better imo. We have good kickers and a good returner when Grant is healthy but giving up 2 returns for TDs is not good. Most teams don’t give up one

      • Tim Knight says:

        Kick coverage or punt coverage? Most of the kicks weren’t even returned which is the case for the entire league. Most kicks end up touch backs.

      • Ken says:

        Punt coverage

  101. stangerx says:

    “…the Niners were able to move early with their play, engaging the Dolphins about three weeks ago. Lynch and Miami GM Chris Grier pledged to keep the talks quiet. Teams calling the Dolphins to sniff around the third pick were told only that Miami had a strong offer for it. The Dolphins didn’t shop the Niners’ offer, and the Niners didn’t double back to the Jets or anyone else looking for a better deal.

    “The Dolphins, though, were looking for a way to stay closer to where they were originally picking, which led to this becoming what was essentially a three-team trade. And Miami needed a partner that would keep the talks in confidence. So Grier called the Eagles, who owned the sixth pick, a little more than two weeks ago to ask if they would be interested in moving back to 12 if the deal with the 49ers went through. Philly said yes, and the Dolphins told the Eagles they’d circle back. Then Grier and Eagles GM Howie Roseman chipped away at the parameters of a second-order trade.”
    -– Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated on how the trades went down.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s exactly how the trade looked when it went down, a three-team trade. That’s why i said we didn’t really trade a 1st to move up to #6, it was all part of the deal to make it happen. The 49ers provided the picks.

      • stangerx says:

        Makes all the sense in the world based on what we saw. Only thing was surprised about is it all started 3 weeks before. Wouldn’t have thought that was a 2- 3 day thing.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah it was a really creative trade.

  102. The Flying Pig says:

    Only did the first 3 rounds


    6: R1 P6 WR Ja’Marr Chase – LSU
    18: R1 P18 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    36: R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    50: R2 P18 C Creed Humphrey – Oklahoma
    81: R3 P17 WR Amon-Ra St. Brown – USC

    • stangerx says:

      If Grier can do that one think he’d be the most popular guy in So FL.

    • bailbondmike says:

      Nice, but I think after taking Chase combined with our current WR room, I would not take another WR at #81. Just my 2 cent.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think Parsons is going to last that long. I also agree with BBMike, I wouldn’t go WR again that early after taking Chase. But this would be a fantastic draft overall.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I actually instantly regretted the second WR instead of DL bc McNeil was still on the board

      But I happen to like St. Brown. I think he can be a Christian Kirk type of WR

      • Tim Knight says:

        I like St. Brown too. But I’d rather add another Edge guy than two WRs. We do have quite a bit of talent at WR and when you count Gesicki as a weapon there are only so many catches to go around.

    • Ken says:

      I like the idea of drafting more than 1 WR. Outside of Parker and Fuller there is no one on our roster that I feel confident about and both Parker and Fuller have a history of being injured

      • Tim Knight says:

        I know he’s had a hard time staying healthy but Mike Williams is legit and with Hurns and Wilson still on the roster, along with a top prospect like Chase, and then Gesicki, there are only so many catches to go around.

      • stangerx says:

        I figure if we grab a 2nd one would be a slot. And not even sure how badly we need one of those, even if could be an upgrade possibility. Parker, Fuller plus one of the top 3 is quality depth.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I meant Preston, not Mike. LOL

      • Ken says:

        Hurns and Wilson are dead weight imo. I don’t see either on the roster and I would much rather invest in 2 quality rookies to take their spots

  103. Rockphin says:

    Ken, we were 2nd in the league in punt return yards allowed at 4.3 yards. That is WITH the two returns for TD included in those numbers. A breakdown on two plays. doesn’t mean a squad is bad. They covered 68 punts last season. Only 2 were touch backs. One of the TD’s was for 67 yards and the other for 84. Obviously breakdowns. They gave up a total of 297 yards on punt returns. More than HALF those yards on two plans. (I remember one of those having an egregious non-call holding and block in the back by the Buffalo)

    I hate stats that “take away” a play, but if you take those two bad plays they would have averaged 2.2 yards allowed per punt return. Easily 1st in the league.

    I think our ST was better than you give credit for.

    • Ken says:

      The punt return in the KC game is the difference between us being in the playoffs and not. You can’t have afford to have breakdowns like that on ST and 2 of them is 2 too many

      • Rockphin says:

        There were a ton of moments throughout the games this year that we can point to and say “That is why we missed the playoffs” I argue that If we had punched in the TD from the Bills 1 yard line with 3 tries in game two that the KC game wouldn’t have mattered.

        1st & goal from the 1 – No gain
        2nd & goal from the 2 – No gain
        3rd & goal from the 1 – No gain
        4th & goal from the 1 – Incomplete pass

        THIS ^^^^ us why we missed the playoffs. LOL

        The rest of you can argue the seminal moment that cost us the playoffs spot, but I pick THIS ONE.

      • Ken says:

        I understand it’s more than one play but I used it as a demonstrative example as to why you can’t afford to give up big plays on ST

  104. Tim Knight says:

    Albert Wilson seems to get lost in the mix at WR because he opted out last year and had the hip injury two years ago. But before the injury he was making explosive plays in 2018 and he started to play well down the stretch in 2019. All of that regardless of what David says about him. 😉

    • Ken says:

      2018 is a long time ago in football years

      • Tim Knight says:

        He was healthy and playing in the 2nd half in 2019. He opted out in 2020. So he’s now a few years removed from his hip injury. We’ll see what happens but if he looks good in OTAs he could very well be part of the team in 2021.

  105. Rockphin says:

    They OFFICIALLY added the 18th game to the schedule this year. Our opponent for the 18th added game will be NYG.

  106. Rockphin says:

  107. stangerx says:

    How crazy is it that 5 QBs could go before we pick?
    Probably ends up it is 3 or 4, but 5 is a legit possibility.

    • Ken says:

      It would be total stupidity and it shows how over valued the position has become. This is not the 1983 draft class relived. With the exception of Lawrence these guys are good but not great prospects

      • stangerx says:

        Pretty much guaranteed the first 3 are QBs…. even if the Jets trade out.
        But look at it this way….. the 3 teams behind us are interested in picking up one of the other two. Might be a build for the future moment for us.

      • Tim Knight says:

        No doubt teams reach for QBs these days.

    • Tim Knight says:


  108. mf13ss says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 30, 2021 at 10:18 am
    IF any of this is true, Deshaun may be ‘canceled’ (I hate ‘cancel culture’) from the NFL… forget about the lawsuits. No franchise would want him to be their ‘face of their franchise’ if this is true. What’s more, again IF true, he’s a disgusting human being.

    Conversely, if this is all just a witch-hunt concocted to get back at Deshaun for something, this is appalling.

    One thing is for sure: we’re not trading for Deshaun, PERIOD. That ship has sailed, like the Suez Canal (props to Son’s joke).

  109. mf13ss says:

    Say what you will about Justin Fields, but this throw is just… *WOW*!!!

  110. ocalarob says:

    Just think, we were only 19 massage therapist away from competing this year,


    • Tim Knight says:

      We competed last year and we have a lot of draft capital to improve on the 10-6 team.

    • stangerx says:

      Vick came back, but guess NFL needs some “settling time” on bad deeds. And what Vick did was horrific. Torture and kill dogs and stanger don’t like.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed but what Watson is accused of is inappropriate behavior towards women and that’s a no no. Men get fired all the time for that and Watson’s value right now is shit because there is too much backlash for a franchise to deal with. I can’t see any team trading for him and the Texans may have to part ways with him too.

  111. Rockphin says:

    I am feeling triggered…..

  112. mf13ss says:

    Tim and Ken,

    Bah, you humbugs! LOL 😆
    I’m not endorsing the kid by any stretch, and I know what you guys are saying (no pass-rush or coverage)… but it was pretty to me! And I love the way the camera was slowly panning to the left while the ball was in the air: it made the throw look a lot better than it actually was. It was almost like trick-photography, if you will. Loved it!

    • Tim Knight says:

      I just don’t get excited about these types of workouts. It’s not even touch football. LOL

      • mf13ss says:

        Same here. It’s obviously very choreographed and controlled, so as not to show flaws. But that throw and the camera panning it was SWEET to me! Nothing more than that. 🙂

  113. steveccnv says:

    That’s a helluva throw, and so much nicer, than the one Wilson threw, that was raved about

  114. mf13ss says:

  115. steveccnv says:

    Ken says:
    March 30, 2021 at 2:53 pm
    The punt return in the KC game is the difference between us being in the playoffs and not. You can’t have afford to have breakdowns like that on ST and 2 of them is 2 too many

    This is pure U75 logic. You can’t take one play out of a game and say, if it didn’t happen we would’ve won. Especially true in this game, because KC had the ball at the end and likely would’ve scored if they needed to.

    If the play is at the end of the game it’s a different story

  116. Tim Knight says:

    I stopped after 3 rounds because the simulator I used didn’t give us a 4th round pick.
    R1 P6 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    R1 P18 EDGE Jaelan Phillips – Miami
    R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    R2 P18 WR Elijah Moore – Mississippi
    R3 P17 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama

  117. steveccnv says:

    156, 231, and 258 added to what you have above.

    The 4th was traded to Philly for 156 as part of the move down to 6

    • stangerx says:

      We swapped our 4th for a fifth of theirs, but read somewhere the number of spots wasn’t much. Think was in the single digits.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Oh okay, I read that trade wrong. So we have a 5th and two 7th rounders?

      No biggie, the first three rounds is where our value is.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Lol, I think 4 different people have tried to tell you this since the trade happened

  118. Tim Knight says:

    Okay, here’s my full mock. It’s most awesome. LOL
    6: R1 P6 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    18: R1 P18 EDGE Jaelan Phillips – Miami
    36: R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    50: R2 P18 WR Elijah Moore – Mississippi
    81: R3 P17 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama
    156: R5 P12 WR Marquez Stevenson – Houston
    231: R7 P3 C Jimmy Morrissey – Pittsburgh
    258: R7 P30 OT Kayode Awosika – Buffalo

  119. mf13ss says:


    • mf13ss says:

      Dammit, Bucky… now you’ve got me thinking about my OG gameplan: we’ve got to beat the Stealers* to Najee Harris!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Why? I like Najee a lot but why is he the key for us even when you don’t feel he’s good enough to go at #18?

        Based on his skill set I’m still not sure why he’s looked at as late 1st/early 2nd. His receiving skills should set him apart and make him a top 15 pick but he doesn’t seem to be viewed that way and I’m curious about why. Is this draft that deep overall?

        Javonte Williams looks like a physical NFL back who is going to be a top rusher for years to come. Him and Brown as the physical guys, Gaskin and Ahmed as the more quick twitch elusive backs. That’s a nice backfield.

    • stangerx says:

      I took from that no RB for us at #18 and if take one in the 2nd will be the runt of the top RB litter. Same time RBs are like WRs….. the top projected ones seem to drop every year.

  120. ocalarob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 30, 2021 at 3:56 pm
    I stopped after 3 rounds because the simulator I used didn’t give us a 4th round pick.
    R1 P6 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    R1 P18 EDGE Jaelan Phillips – Miami
    R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    R2 P18 WR Elijah Moore – Mississippi
    R3 P17 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama

    Don’t worry Tim, i fixed it.

    R1 P6 Jamar Chase WR LSU 6’1″ 200
    R1 P18 Kwity Paye EDGE MICH 6’4″ 277
    R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    R2 P18 Andre Cisco S SYC 6’0″ 213
    R3 P17 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama

  121. mf13ss says:

    Once that first RB comes off the board, there’s going to be a run on the top-4. Know why? They all can run routes, catch, and run like WRs. It’s like acquiring a WR2, as either DJ or Bucky said in the video I posted above.

    Either be ahead of the curve and get your pick of the litter, or better be ready to trade up (we have the ammo) after the first one goes off the board.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Remember, the positions we’re focused on are not the positions all the other teams are focused on. We do this every year. Some teams are all about QB, OL, DT, DB etc. There always seems to be a run on corners though. Usually between the 2nd and 4th round.

  122. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    March 30, 2021 at 4:53 pm
    Why? I like Najee a lot but why is he the key for us even when you don’t feel he’s good enough to go at #18?…
    It’s not so much about Najee (as you know, I have Najee and Javonte graded equally), it’s about having our pick of the litter, so as not to be behind a run on RBs… and Bucky seems to think the Stealers* (which was my OG thought from many months ago) will trigger the run on RBs.

    I dunno, man… I suppose I should be aboard taking a RB @ R1P18… but it just seems to early to me. I mean, look at Clyde Edwards-Helaire. He can do it ALL, an SEC RB out of LSU, and he became a luxury pick for the Chiefs last year @ R1P32.

    But ya just never know when the run on RBs will begin. Our franchise has been terrible as of late (perhaps… over the last 3 decades) on drafting a franchise RB.

    • mf13ss says:


      Part of me says YES, get our pick of the litter @ R1P18… another part says, “Woah, Simba!”… we might get our pick of the litter @ R2P4.

      It’s very difficult to gauge.

      • stangerx says:

        Far as I am concerned no way do we take a RB at #18. Could work out that we trade back into the first for one.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s all about what are we looking to do and which prospects help us accomplish that? I don’t see this draft with a lot of elite, more solid and deep.

      I think Flores wants to be a top defensive team, control the clock on offense with a strong ground attack, and give the playmakers a chance to make big plays to score points. Oh yeah and be solid on STs.

      A play-action, RPO passing game with Tua. That’s what he does well – bootlegs and waggles and throwing on the move. A strong ground attack opens that all up.

  123. Tim Knight says:

    M13, you want a franchise RB but at the same time taking one too early bothers you. I tried to address that with my reply above.

  124. Tim Knight says:

    WR Elijah Moore – Mississippi
    He reminds me of Mark Duper.

  125. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    March 30, 2021 at 5:46 pm
    Far as I am concerned no way do we take a RB at #18. Could work out that we trade back into the first for one.
    THAT is where I’m at, too, Stanger! Keep in mind, we have the capital to trade back up into the mid-late 1st to get our RB, too, if we so wish.

    My model for months has been to trade back up with the Titans @ R1P22, to get ahead of the Stealers* for first dibs on the RB of our choice.

    • steveccnv says:

      You’re sending out contradicting posts, if you have Najee and Javonte as 1 and 1a, why do you want the first one?

  126. Tim Knight says:

    stangerx says:
    March 30, 2021 at 5:46 pm
    Far as I am concerned no way do we take a RB at #18. Could work out that we trade back into the first for one.

    I said this yesterday. We could trade down at #18, get some more picks and target Javonte Williams. Late 1st round or early 2nd.

  127. Tim Knight says:

    Based on the buzz and vibe it sounds like the 49ers really like Mac Jones. Did they trade up for him?

  128. CavalierKong says:

    stangerx says:
    March 30, 2021 at 5:46 pm
    Far as I am concerned no way do we take a RB at #18. Could work out that we trade back into the first for one.
    3rd time is a charm, lol

  129. pheloniusphish says:

    If SF takes Jones that leaves Lance and Fields on the board. Pretty good bet Atlanta takes one of them. That leaves Detroit, Carolina, and Denver potentially wanting that last one. I can see another Miami trade back happening.

  130. steveccnv says:

    We’re only getting a 3rd to drop down to 8 or 9, so I’d rather take Pitts, if he’s there, if not trade away

  131. steveccnv says:

    Mac Stiff Jones, Druckenmiller 2.0

  132. Tim Knight says:

    Okay I see what you’re all saying. My point was we have the extra 1st from SF in 2023, not 2022. We traded our 1st (MIA) in 2022 to the Eagles and kept the 1st (SF) in 2022. Is that really significant?

    • steveccnv says:

      It could be

      • Tim Knight says:

        Both teams expect to be at least 11-5 in 2021. The 49ers have a good roster and I hope we do as well after this draft. The 49ers are not some chump change team.

      • CavalierKong says:

        They only won 6 in 2020, admittedly they had a down year, and are only 2 years removed from the SB, so I get your point.

        Piggy’s point (agree or not) was that pick might look a lot nicer if they select Mac Jones, especially if they trade Jimmy G and throw Jones into the fire.

        I don’t think the Niners win 11 next year either way, but we could, so personally I’m glad we traded our pick instead of the Niner pick.

  133. mf13ss says:

    IDK why y’all are talking about which QB goes to which team. We’re up @ R1P6. Could we trade down from there? Perhaps, we’ll see. I don’t know why we would, when we could have sat @ R1P12, retaining the 2022 1st round pick we’d acquired from the 49ers.

    The genius of the trades? We’re in position to get the guy we WANT @ R1P6… not the guy that may fall down to us with yet another trade down. Ponder this. NOT saying we may not trade down yet again, just saying it’s highly unlikely, IMO.

    • mf13ss says:

      The difference between R1P6 and R1P12? We wanted it so badly that we gave up a 2022 1st round draft pick.

      • Tim Knight says:

        That’s not how the trade went down. We never had the 2022 SF 1st rounder other than giving it to the Eagles through a three-team trade. SF shared the wealth. You’re not looking at it from that perspective.

        The 49ers wanted #3.
        The Dolphins wanted #6.
        The Eagles wanted more draft capital.

        They all won if their strategies pan out. LOL

    • steveccnv says:

      The rumor was we went to 6 to block NE from dropping there and getting a QB, by us being at 6 we control who to trade to

    • Tim Knight says:

      We traded back up to #6 because we knew the top three was going to be QB and we’re cool taking any of the next three prospects. So get some more draft capital and move back three spots. A 2022 3rd (SF) and a 2023 1st (SF). Oh the horror!!! LOL

      We still have two 1st, two 2nd and a 3rd this year right? Next year is a more normal draft with another 3rd. Oh know!!! LOL

  134. steveccnv says:

    There’s another mock with Kwity to us at 18, no how no way. Why do that, when you just got rid of a better version of him in Lawson?

    We’re going with an OLB at 18, the smaller do everything type, not the big stiff DE

  135. steveccnv says:

    Is SF WFT 2.0 after trading 3 1sts for RG3.

    I hope they bust the same.

    SF is 25-1 to win SB we’re 33-1. I like our chance to win better

    • Tim Knight says:

      Brian Baldinger has it right. The 49ers need to pay other players and Jimmy G is making too much. They want the rookie QB contract and a complete team. They think they can win without Jimmy G. After the draft when they take a QB, he gets traded.

  136. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, I really don’t care what the 49ers do at QB. But who do you think they’ll select at #3?

    Do you think the Jets go QB and who? Or trade back with who for who? I think we could see this sort of thing in the top 10 this year. We already started it with the 49ers/Eagles trade.

    • steveccnv says:

      Wilson at 2, but I’m not buying Mac Jones at 3, no way no how.

      They could’ve made the trade we did with Philly and still gotten him, so why pay the extra first?

      Only thing that makes sense is Fields at 3.

      • Tim Knight says:

        The 49ers already know they’re good with two of the QBs who will be available after Lawrence. Just like we feel about being at #6.

      • steveccnv says:

        Yeah, but if they’re good with 2 does that mean they aren’t good with any 🤔

  137. steveccnv says:

    Atlanta isn’t going QB, they should take Surtain, but I’m afraid it’s going to be Pitts, and if they don’t Cincinnati will

  138. ocalarob says:

    Rumor has it Miami is shopping Devante parker, what does that tell you? WR @ 6?

    Jadavein Clowny seems to still be an option for miami

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s from Peter King, not the Fins, but something is weird with Parker’s contract, it says he has almost 16m in dead money, if traded, but then it says we’ll save negative 3,737,500 if cut or traded pre June 1st, and a cash payout this year of 8.35m, so if traded his new team would pay the 8.35m we’d be on the hook for the 3.3735m, then there’s 5.4m from his bonus already paid due against the cap the next 2 years.

      The numbers don’t exactly add up, but looks like 8.7735m would count against our cap, and still too much of a cost.

      Don’t think we’re trading Parker to then try to find 9m to make it happen, and to accomplish what exactly?

      His cap hits the next 2 years, 2022 and 2023 are around 9m

  139. Mike E. says:

    The 49ers could keep Jimmy G this season and then if he signs a big contract somewhere else, get a nice compensatory pick for him. I’m not sure any team is going to start throwing out 1st RD picks for Jimmy G now, but if he has a nice season, he might get a nice contract offer next season and get a chance somewhere else.

    • steveccnv says:

      Garo Polo has 2 years left on his contract, with only 2.8m in dead money, s he could be traded with little hit on their 19m over cap.

      I don’t see a trade, because they believe they have a good team, lots of injuries last year.

      Don’t remember ever seeing a team with SB aspirations trading away a proven QB to go with a rookie starter

  140. The Flying Pig says:

  141. Mike E. says:

    Rob – I’d bet you probably salivated over Carson Wentz because he’s a big QB with a big arm. How’s he held up so far?

    • sb7mvp says:

      Dwayne Haskins

    • steveccnv says:

      What does a QB with a big arm, that’s been less than stellar have to do with Tua, besides they’ve both been less than stellar?

      • Krishna says:

        A ton of difference. Tua was a rookie in rehab and thrown in to the fire with little preparation in comparison. Give the guy a season. Geez, loueez.

      • steveccnv says:

        SMH, Mike is busting Orob’s balls, with a post that seems to have little to do with anything Orob said, so I’m busting Mike’s balls, then you respond with something of…I give up

  142. Krishna says:

    Dude, you can defend the other pea in your pod. It’s ok.

    I will type it slower for you…..judging Tua on last season as a predictor of a successful career based on his height, arm strength, and throwing motion with his background of rehab, lack of preseason, and inexperience speaks volumes to Orob’s criticism/critique of Tua, i.e. meaningless.

    First, it’s premature. I doubt his success or failure will have anything to do with any of the traits mentioned above. The point, I thought Mike E. was making, was that Orob thinks we need a QB with a bigger arm and better mechanics to be successful. I got it. No OL, no WRs, and RB are the perfect tools a half-season rookie QB should be judged.

    He could be right, but I don’t think Bigger is always better….arm or size. It’s performance.

    Which is my point, give the guy a break and let’s see if he performs this year.

    • steveccnv says:

      Ok Sherlock, we all know that, like I said, Mike was busting balls and you get all serious.

      Maybe I should splain for you, that busting balls is rhetorical, hence SMH

    • pheloniusphish says:

      What was that…25-ish words per minute typing speed?

  143. pheloniusphish says:

    Chase recorded a 4.38-second 40-yard dash, a 41-inch vertical jump and an 11-foot broad jump.

    • steveccnv says:

      Cincinnati bound or do they really want Penei?

      These 40 times at pro days aren’t real, but each staff has someone timing them, so they know the real time.

      Hoping Penei goes before us, and Atlanta goes Surtain, giving us our choice of the 4 WRs (Pitts)

  144. New Age says:


    You beat me to the punch. Do we have a happy Piggy floating around here somewhere?

  145. The Flying Pig says:

    I told you guys

    Jamarr Chase is the real deal

    His performance on his pro day doesn’t even scratch the surface.
    It’s not just speed an athleticism. It’s also skill, technique and a scrappy attitude.

  146. The Flying Pig says:

    When you squeal about Jamarr Chase for an entire draft season

  147. The Flying Pig says:

    And now Dolphins Twitter has gone full

    Pitts will go 4
    Chase will go 5

    And we will miss them both….

    They instantly go into 💩 mode

  148. The Flying Pig says:

    He’s purposely running that route towards Chris Greir

  149. The Flying Pig says:

  150. steveccnv says:

    Atlanta’s problem is D and an aging QB, but the QB has plenty left, doubt they go QB, but they might trade out

    • steveccnv says:

      If we draft those 1st 3 selections we’ll be a playoff team for sure this year and should win a game there

      • The Flying Pig says:

        That’s kind of what I want out of our first 3 picks but I’m taking chase before Pitts

        I think One of those two will be on the board

        Micah parsons at 18 seems unlikely, I think Denver drafts him at 9
        But if he gets past Denver at 9….then….

      • steveccnv says:

        Denver may go QB

  151. stangerx says:

    We all have our favorites, but man is the #6 spot pretty with the 3 QBs going first. The real question is who wouldn’t you be happy with?

    I’m actually real cool if it is Sewell, but even if he gets taken before means someone else is there. Same goes with whoever is picked at $4 and #5.

  152. steveccnv says:

    I’d be happy with the 4 receivers, Parsons, Penei, and not happy with anyone else.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think that’s where I stand. I can’t think of another prospect that would go before them.

      • stangerx says:

        But say it is Sewell or Parsons. Either is some serious talent.

      • stangerx says:

        My bad — steve included those. Guess should have gone with say it is Surtain. You’d be figuring some moves are coming.

    • stangerx says:

      steve — and you just put out 6 guys when at most 2 will be gone before we pick. Yeah it would take a shocker for us to go WTF when the card is read.

      • steveccnv says:

        6 guys work for me so initially I said move back to 8 or 9, but I’d rather have Pitts, Chase or Parsons, than trade down

      • stangerx says:

        When it comes to top 3’s….. one of those is guaranteed. My top 3 is different than yours, but same time willing to sit with any of them….. so yeah I’d trade down to #8 or #9 if could. Particularly since the jumping team would be drafting QB.

      • steveccnv says:

        I won’t bitch, if we take Penei, but do we really need the best LT? I’d rather have the best wr and above average LT, than best LT and above average wr

      • stangerx says:

        If we get Sewell he’ll probably be the best value on the board. You and I are both big fans of Pitts. That we have a similar TE hasn’t stopped that. And chances are Flowers is gone after next season….. so a good move towards the future. Hunt has G written all over him.

      • steveccnv says:

        We need another playmaker on O or we may be in the same boat next year.

        Fuller, Williams, Hollins and Wilson are all on contracts thru 2021, we won’t sign all 4 next offseason.

        If 2021 wrs are Parker, Fuller, Williams, Wilson, Hollins and a draftee, then we’ll only have 2 under contract for 2022, not good GMing

      • stangerx says:

        If we pick at #8 or #9 chances are Sewell is gone. And chances are either Smith or Waddle will be.

      • steveccnv says:

        If we pick at 8 or 9, 4 or 5 qbs will be gone, as will 2 or 3 of Sewell, Chase, and Pitts.

        That’s 7 or 8 guys leaving Smith, Waddle and Parsons.

        Still might be possible to get Pitts or Chase at 8

  153. steveccnv says:

    On O we don’t need anything, but likely will upgrade wr or te, rb, c.

    On D we need either, but will likely add an Edge or olb, s.

    This is my guess on the positions in no particular order for our top 5 picks.

    If you’re going to bet on us to win/make SB best do it before the draft

  154. stangerx says:

  155. stangerx says:
  156. steveccnv says:

    If you thought the combine was the Underwear Olympics, what do you think pro days are?

    At least at the combine everything isn’t scripted to fit the player and the times are done by 1 person.

    In a few years we’re going to hear of teams that fell in love with players, based on pro days, that went bust.

    If you didn’t love him before his pro day…she’s one in a million, she’s a bueaty, BUT DON’T FALL IN LOVE

  157. The Flying Pig says:

    SI is reporting that the bengals will be breaking my heart

    • Tim Knight says:

      Chase is a legit top pick so I’d be surprised if the Bengals passed on him with Burrow as their QB. But what will ATL do?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Who knows

        But at 6 you have a handful of players that might be available at 6, who won’t be there at 12

        Specifically Chase and Pitts come to mind

        But even Smith and Waddle might go in the top 11

        If the Dolphins want a playmaker, they put themselves in position to get one

        So it’s a bad idea for fans to play favorites between all those guys, bc they are all pretty good and we can control what happens at 5 and 6

        with the exception of Porkind- I already have a favorite and YOU CANT BREAK ME!


    • stangerx says:

      Jackson can say the Phins won’t draft an LT (no matter how good)….. but how can he say the Bengals won’t?

      • bookman11 says:

        He really isn’t, he is saying SI is saying that the Eagles expect that to happen, he is just going along with that.

      • stangerx says:

        “as SI. com reported the Eagles expect the Bengals to do”

        You got me on that one Bookman. Jackson is just speculating…. but aren’t we all? Still say we could take Sewell though…. that’s right in the face face of his comment.

  158. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, I’m open to whoever we draft at #6. I just want that player to be a difference maker.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If we don’t draft Jamarr Chase I’m going to burn all my Dolphins jerseys!!!

      (Everyone should actually be happy if I do that)

      • ocalarob says:

        what’s the big deal about drafting Chase? can he throw it to himself and catch it? cause that’s the only way he will get the ball

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He’s going to make everything easier for Tua

        A reliable target makes a big difference in the development of any QB

      • ocalarob says:

        how does that work considering Tua can’t throw the ball downfield?
        chase doesn’t seem to be a ck down guy

      • Tim Knight says:

        ORob, do you get off on turning every conversation into your dislike of Tua?

      • ocalarob says:

        no i don’t tim, i’m actually saddened by the subject, and i don’t dis like tua, i just think he sucks as a qb. it will take a while to get past this guy, meanwhile this team will suffer, as they did last year.
        in a playoff race you put the best man in for the job, tua was not the best man for that job, fitz was

  159. ocalarob says:

    i’m not sure what talented wrs has to do with a qb who can’t get rid of the ball if he stays in the pocket for any length of time.
    he holds the ball not because the recs are covered but because he can’t throw over the top of the guys in front of him.
    all the talent in the world can’t correct that.

    it’s just Tuaexcuses, he needs more talent, he was injured, he didn’t have an offseason, all a bunch of bs

    he can’t suck, after all we took him with the 5th over all pick

    • Tim Knight says:

      You’re a bunch of BS. Your the guy who shows up at a BBQ and says the same thing every time where people make sure to avoid you. LOL

      Give it a rest man!

      • ocalarob says:

        i’ll say what i please, i’m talking about football, why would you want to turn this personal, just ignore my bs ass hole

      • Tim Knight says:

        You know you do this purposely. You accused anyone who supports Tua of making a bunch of BS excuses so I threw it back at you. Now you’re personally insulted? Oh okay! LOL

      • ocalarob says:

        Tim Knight says:
        March 31, 2021 at 4:44 pm
        You’re a bunch of BS.
        you’re wrong, never do i initiate lame statements like the one above, you’re taking my opinion of football matters personal and in turn attacking me.
        how would that work if everyone did that? “gee i don’t think your mock is correct, what a scum bag you are”.
        low class shit,
        it’s a shame this has to be pointed out to you.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It was a joke when I said that because you said to me about my mock draft, don’t worry I fixed it. I didn’t realize you were so sensitive.

      • ocalarob says:

        i’m not sensitive. no big deal, get over it.

  160. stangerx says:

    A tip for those who haven’t gotten the shot ye t.
    As soon as Ohio opened up its coronavirus vaccine eligibility to residents over 70, Jennifer Salzano threw herself into finding an appointment for her mom, who’s 72 and has heart disease and diabetes. For the next few days, Salzano was hunched over her phone, scouring dozens of Kroger, CVS, and Walgreens sites for any appointment near her mom’s home in Columbus..

    The result was always the same: no availability. “I was kind of like, this is never going to happen.”

    Her dad suggested she might have better luck if she looked in the parts of Ohio where denial about COVID’s risks was high—and demand for vaccines was low.

    “So I just googled ‘Trump landslides in Ohio,’” then I looked at the nearest county and the biggest city in that county, and I found an appointment. The whole thing took me three minutes.”

  161. ocalarob says:

    there’s a difference in “making a bunch of lame excuses” vs “You’re a bunch of BS.”

    you’re just too ignorant to know the difference

  162. stangerx says:

    Today on the Watson front. Man does the dude like his massages.
    Watson’s team, led by Rusty Hardin, issued a news release with on-the-record statements from 18 women who say they have previously had massage sessions with Watson and he never acted inappropriately.

  163. ocalarob says:

    don’t worry I fixed it. vs “You’re a bunch of BS.”

    nope, i don’t get the joke?

    over my head

  164. ocalarob says:

    Watson is a moot point due to his salary and the fact he may go on the exempt list.
    he hits your cap without being able to play.

  165. ocalarob says:

    if you had the cap space you may want to give him a shot if the comp was right, maybe a 2nd rnder, he hits the cap at 10m this year, next year the cap may rise and he gets 22m next year, who knows how long this will play out?

    • stangerx says:

      That’s pretty much the point. His anticipated trade value was 3 or 4 first round picks before. Those days are over. In the new era would I give up #18 for him?…. heck yeah I would. Wouldn’t care if he sat for a year.

      • Tim Knight says:

        If the accusations are real he’ll be sitting for more than a year. And why would you invest a 1st rd pick for him if he had to sit for a year? When did Watson become the key to a Super Bowl that he has never been in? He’s a very good QB but let’s calm down a bit.

        Do you think trading for Watson and having him sit for a year is good for the franchise? So who plays QB this year?

      • stangerx says:

        I’d take him for #18 right now simple as that. And however long he is suspended means without pay, whoever has him on their roster.

        Said would take him for #18…. would you take him for a 7th round pick? Clearly a top-5 QB has some value.

        And yeah think he is worth it even if sits a year. Once he is off suspension you can just trade him if Tua blows it up.

  166. bookman11 says:

    What price do you put on the value of the culture you are establishing here? Why in the world attract the circus that comes with Watson? Flores and Grier have done a great job on building back a positive reputation and culture, screw bringing in this idiot at ANY cost.

  167. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, agree to disagree I wouldn’t touch Watson. He’s a TMZ story the entire time and how does that rally a team? That’s toxic stuff.

    • bookman11 says:

      Yes, kind of what I was trying to say, agreed

      • Tim Knight says:

        I saw your reply after I posted. We see it the same way. Watson is the opposite of what we’re trying to build here. No drama. Tua is the type of guy we should build around.

      • bookman11 says:

        Yes, exactly, I really don’t care about any “bargain” we might get.

      • stangerx says:

        Can completely get where you and Tim are coming from. Maybe my moral code just isn’t as strong. Think would feel like you guys if we were talking about rape.

      • bookman11 says:

        If any of these are true, he is a creep and a loser, imho, regardless of any “crime” being committed. Additionally I would not want him in my organization because of the negative publicity and culture affect.

    • Ken says:

      We ain’t touching Watson

  168. Randy says:

    I don’t care much about Watson, but how many damn massage therapists does one man need? This dumb ass had dozens. Why? That alone seems kinda weird.

  169. Ken says:

    Got my 2nd dose of the vaccine today. Doing okay but feeling pretty tired

  170. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, the accusations being made about Watson tells me he’s on the border line of rape. Not saying violent and murder, but not knowing when to stop. Maybe he starts using sedatives like Bill Cosby. This type of behavior is dangerous stuff.

    • stangerx says:

      Tim — have no idea what is in Watson’s mind, but will trust you on that. You know a lot more.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I don’t know him at all, but where there is smoke there is fire. We sometimes wait too long when the red flags are there and do nothing. That’s how mass shootings happen. Nobody speaks up when the warning signs are there.

      • steveccnv says:

        I agree, that’s how mass shootings happen. One situation is mental and 50% of the other is half mental

      • stangerx says:

        TIm — I thought it was about aggressive asks for rub n’ tugs, but you clearly have a more clear view of what is going on with Watson. Would hate for a mass shooting to happen in Davie.

  171. Randy says:

    I had maderna. I didn’t get sick until a day and a half later. It only lasted about a day though. Chills, fever, nausea, massive headache and fatigue.

  172. Tim Knight says:

    A lot of times we hear stuff like, you’re a star QB or celebrity or whatever, you can fuck anyone you want. The problem with that is, that’s not what turns some people on who aren’t wired right.

    Darren Sharper and Kellen Winslow II as two examples.

  173. bailbondmike says:

    This looks like a coordinated effort by his camp to squash the accusers.
    No, they just found all the ones who are accustomed to giving happy endings….

  174. steveccnv says:

    Watched tape on Fuller, and time after time he’s wide open deep, but many of the passes were short, still completed, but still short.

    Watson’s arm is worse than Tua’s, by far, but his legs are much better

  175. steveccnv says:

    Vikings are on the clock at 14, Parsons is still available. Do you move ahead of the cheats and take him?

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s the thing, we can always trade up or down. We’ve got the draft capital to target talent. We seem to have a good relationship with the Eagles. Would I be surprised if we traded up to #12? Nope!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      If you can go from 18 to 14 for a 3rd rounder yes

      But you still got a couple other target areas with those 2nd rounders

  176. Randy says:

    The Vikings need OL help badly. The scuttlebutt up here is they go OL unless the HC steps in and goes DB…the position he loves. I’d guess they go OL unless there’s just no value there.

  177. mf13ss says:

    I’ve got a proposal… why not get the best of both worlds this year? Now follow me… we get the best Offensive player we can get @ R1P6 (whether it be Pitts, Chase, DaVonta, or Waddle), then… trade back up from R1P18 to get the potential faller in Micah Parsons (better beat the Patsies* to him @ R1P15, from what I’ve been seeing/hearing).

    Let’s take it another step further, as some of you have recently proposed… we could potentially trade down just a couple/few spots from R1P6 to a QB-needy team, garner another pick(s), still get either of Chase, DaVonta, Pitts, or Waddle (who ever is still on the board), and again, trade back up from R1P18 to get Parsons… now with even MORE ammo to make it happen, and perhaps without sacrificing our R2P4 in the trade-up process.

    Best of both worlds, see.

    But what if we need to trade R2P4 to make it happen… what about a RB? Trade a mid-rounder to Seattle for Rashaad Penny (he’s rumored to be on the trading block), who can share the grinding/thunder role with Malcolm Brown if necessary. Regardless, hopefully we won’t have to part ways with our R2P4. To me, Penny would be the fallback option in the event we lose our R2P4 in order to trade back up from R1P18 to nab Parsons.

    Of course, this all comes back to Steve Ross signing off on Parsons what with the bully allegations.

    Thoughts? Can you imagine coming away with arguably the best Offensive weapon in this Draft (Pitts… or any of the other top WRs) AND arguably the best Defensive weapon in this Draft (Parsons)? If the price is right, I’d DO IT!

  178. mf13ss says:

    steveccnv says:
    March 31, 2021 at 6:53 pm
    Vikings are on the clock at 14, Parsons is still available. Do you move ahead of the cheats and take him?
    Well didn’t YOU just take the wind out of sails above! LOL! Great minds! I starting typing my thoughts about it before I saw your 6:53 PM post, Brother! NICE!

    • steveccnv says:

      I like the move back to 8 or 9, then use that pick to move up to get Parsons, but can’t be sure he’ll be there.

      200 pts 18-14, so maybe we don’t have to drop to 8 or 9, give up our 185pt 3rd and something else mabe our 27 pt 5th

  179. steveccnv says:

    Chase looks like a natural slant WR. Would be good for Tua

    • mf13ss says:

      Absolutely agreed. To be honest, any of Pitts, Chase, DeVonta, or Waddle would be great for Tua.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed with you both. If we want playmakers on offense that’s the top lot. If we draft Waddle I would not be surprised if we trade Grant.

  180. steveccnv says:

    Can someone tell me why Kwity is considered a 1st rounder?

    I don’t want him at 153

    • Tim Knight says:

      I saw a mock scroll by that has us taking him at #18. Other than that I haven’t heard much about him as a top prospect.

    • mf13ss says:

      Lance Zierlein, who I greatly respect in many ways (just not necessarily on his Draft analysis) had us taking Kwity Paye @ R1P18 today, in his latest mock draft.

      NO WAY.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Okay it’s his mock along with DJ and Bucky. It’s cool they all have some differences. But sometimes it seems someone wants to go way out of their way to create some craziness. LOL

  181. mf13ss says:

    Kwity Paye is such a tweener, and not in a good way. He’s a team-specific player… somebody who employs a 4-3 D that needs a ‘potential'(?) edge-threat, who can also play on the interior… much like Jared Odrick.

    I certainly wouldn’t quantify him as an EDGE player in this day and age. It’s not that Paye sucks, because he doesn’t… he’s just not a modern day EDGE. He’s caught between a DT and 4-3 containment DE.

    I grade him as a 2nd rounder to a scheme-specific team.

  182. steveccnv says:

    Buffalo 4 Flyers 1

    • Tim Knight says:

      They are falling apart as a team. Not sure why. They are horrible in their own end. They can’t clear the puck and allow teams to forecheck and cycle.

  183. mf13ss says:

    I’m thinking there are at least two other highly-touted prospects from Michigan’s DF7 in recent years that I didn’t care for. Yes, Taco was one.

  184. CavalierKong says:

    29 days

  185. Tim Knight says:

    Rashan Gary

  186. CavalierKong says:

    695 hours

  187. CavalierKong says:

    41,686 minutes

  188. mf13ss says:

    34 days…

  189. ocalarob says:

    With Joe Burrow in Cincy, I think they may draft Chase before he gets to us.

  190. ocalarob says:

    everytime i try that simulator chase goes to cincy, we get pitts

  191. Mike E. says:

    Steve – My point was size don’t mean shit when it comes to injuries. Joe Burrow is 6’3 221 and he tore his ACL. Tua is probably about the same weight as Burrow now or maybe even heavier but 3″ shorter. Tua is built more like Russell Wilson. Tua’s story is far from over, it’s barely started and I think we’re going to see a much better QB this season.

  192. The Flying Pig says:

  193. The Flying Pig says:


    You are doing wrong. I get chase every time

    6: R1 P6 WR Ja’Marr Chase – LSU
    18: R1 P18 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    36: R2 P4 EDGE Joseph Ossai – Texas
    50: R2 P18 RB Najee Harris – Alabama
    81: R3 P17 WR Tylan Wallace – Oklahoma State
    156: R5 P12 DL Bobby Brown III – Texas A&M
    231: R7 P3 C Trey Hill – Georgia
    258: R7 P30 S Tre Norwood – Oklahoma

  194. The Flying Pig says:

    Tried different ranking and still got chase and parsons


    6: R1 P6 WR Ja’Marr Chase – LSU
    18: R1 P18 LB Micah Parsons – Penn State
    36: R2 P4 RB Javonte Williams – North Carolina
    50: R2 P18 C Landon Dickerson – Alabama
    81: R3 P17 DL Alim McNeil – North Carolina State
    156: R5 P12 EDGE Patrick Jones II – Pittsburgh
    231: R7 P3 DL TeDarrell Slaton – Florida
    258: R7 P30 S Richard LeCounte III – Georgia

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